User:Rursus/star name desinformation

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User:Richontaban fake star names[edit]

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Sirius (Bright green) Sirius Ancient Greek Σείριος Seirios ("scorcher") Don't remove this star name: it is OK! NOT
η CVn (white) (not yet examined) prob deleted, but not described in this list
θ Com (skin pink) Muppet Star Muppet show 1. the name is ridiculous, 2. there is no Theta in Coma Berenices, 3. the name is not found in All99, nor ICOP Rursus
stars really examined
51 And Anfal, Enfal, Al Anfal or Elenfal السيف و الانفال al-sa'if wa al-anfal, "The Sword and the Spoils", which was the title of an ancient Arab asterism between And and Per no "anfal" in All99, ICOP: Ara by Al-Sufi. Maybe an unsourced pre-Sufi Arab constellation, but very unlikely. prob Rursus
δ And Sadiradra, Saderazra, Sadir Elazra bosom of the woman no name given in Burnham's, nor in the online sources User:Sailsbystars
υ And Adhabun, Azabun/Adhab, Azab
λ Aqr Satabhisha
η Aqr Hydria, Deli
η Aql Bezek or Bazak
12 Aql Bered
θ Car Vathorz Posterior Vathorz Posterior, a name of Old Norse-Latin origin meaning "Succeeding One of the Waterline" (probably the waterline alongside the Ship Argo). See υ Car (next entry)! me, me, me
υ Car Vathorz Prior Vathorz Prior, a name of Old Norse-Latin origin Old Norse? When then was the name invented? Old Norse was spoken from 800 to 1200, a time when nobody from Scandinavia traveled far south enough to even see Carina constellation. The lie is as ridiculous as the modern medical term Biceps used for Gamma Herculis. I can for sure say that there were never such a word as "Vathorz" in Old Norse, since 'z' and 'o' in unstressed position weren't used in Old Norse, and there were never such a stem as vathor-. me, me, me
θ Aur Bogardus (no etymology) Is some rare modern last name it isn't Latin. Perhaps it is related to Bogart, which is presumedly dutch deriving from boogard and boomgaard. There are only three known valid Latin person names for stars on the sky, namely Sualocin, Rotanev and Cor Caroli. me, me, me
ω Car Simiram
ε Cep Phicares
η Cep Al Agemim or Al Agimin
θ Cep Al Kidr
ι Cep Alvahet or Alvahat
ν Cep Al Kidr → Cor Regis
δ Cet Phycochroma
θ Cet Altawk
υ Cet Aquae Abyssi
π Cet Al Sadr al Ketus
β Crt Al Sharasif
δ Crt Labrum
ε Cru Juxta Crucem or Juxta
ζ Dra Aldhibah, al-dhibah
η Dra Aldhibain, Booboo (fun?) The Wolf [one of the two wolves, together with η Dra]
κ Dra Ketu
φ Dra Batenateban Australis
χ Dra [Batenateban Borealis
η Dra Aldhibain
δ Eql Pherasauval Rursus
τ⁴ Eri Liberfluus, Liberflux
α Gem Yin
β Gem Yang
θ Gem Nageba
κ Gem Al Kirkab
λ Gem Kebash or Alkibash
ι Gem Yin-Yang
γ Her Biceps none Modern medical term for a muscle used as an ancient star name: the hoax is too obvious. me
γ Hya Cauda Hydrae or Dhanab al Shuja
δ Hya Mautinah
ε Hya Ashlesha ???
ζ Hya Hydrobius
ν Hya Sherasiph and Pleura
π Hya Sataghni
τ Hya Ukdah → Ukdah Prima
α Ind Persian or The Persian, Pe Sze
μ Lep Nefarte/Neshmet
ε Lep Sasanka
τ Lib Derakrab Australis
υ Lib Derakrab Borealis
α Lup Men, Kakkab
β Lup Kekouan
γ Lup Thusia or Thusia Theriou
δ Lup Hilasmus
α Lyn Alvashak, Al Fahd
38 Lyn Maculosa and Maculata
α Mus Myia
γ Oph Al Durajah
κ Oph Helkath
ν Oph Sinistra
θ Oph Imad
67 Oph Fellah
72 Oph Phorbas
φ Ori Khad
γ Per Al Fakhir or Alphecher
δ Per Basel, Adid Borealis
ε Per Adid Australis
η Per Miram, Seid
ν Per Adad, Adid Media
φ Per Saif, Seif or Alseiph
τ Pup Rehla or Al Rihla, Anazitisi
η Sgr Sephdar, Ira Furoris
τ Sgr Hecatebolus
ξ Sgr Nergal
ο Sgr Manubrij or Manubrium
ρ Sgr Cappa
α Sct Ionnina or Ioannina
δ Ser Qin or Chin
η Ser Tang
γ Tau Ambrosia or Ambrosie
δ Tau Eudora, Kleeia
ε Tau Coronis
θ Tau Phaeo, Phaesyla
π² Tau Pennae Caudalis
5 Tau Elthor, Althor, Althaur, Al Thaur
71 Tau Polyxo
5 Tau Birhan Isat
ξ Tau Ushakaron

AnonIPs related to User:Richontaban[edit]

In the early history of a star name the User:Richontaban made name edits "in cooperation" with a random IP with prefix 168.223.11, and curiously enough the most weird star names, f.ex. Biceps and Valthorz originated with either Sir 168.223.11 or User:Richontaban. Here the most IPs that has "contributed" to the science of far fetched and absurd star names:

125 128 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 187 189 191 195 201 202 207 212 220 223 225 235 239 242 6.12 182.13

Probably another incarnation of User:Richontaban[edit]

Also IP 199.44.190.11 was deliberately "doing funny insertions" into WP, curiously in same manner and in the immediate vicinity of User:Richontaban/168.223.11.X. (User:Skeptic2 discovered this)

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Sirius (Bright green) Sirius Ancient Greek Σείριος Seirios ("scorcher") Don't remove this star name: it is OK! NOT
η CVn (white) (not yet examined) prob deleted, but not described in this list
θ Com (skin pink) Muppet Star Muppet show 1. the name is ridiculous, 2. there is no Theta in Coma Berenices, 3. the name is not found in All99, nor ICOP Rursus
stars really examined
θ Aur Mahasim
α Cyg Al Fawaris (in α Cyg) "named after an ancient Arabic asterism among the stars of Cygnus." In the link provided 199.44.190.11 mysteriously adds a star name after our previously as User:Richontaban identified IP 168.223.11.133!

There is an ancient Arabic asterism in Cygnus according to All99: Cygnus containing stars in Cygnus, but α was only sometimes added to this group. The naming is dubious, not quite fake.

NOT
δ Cyg Rukh This star carries the rarely used traditional names Rukh and Urakhga, both of which refer to the Roc, a mythical flying bird of enormous size and strength. The names Rukh and Urakhga are Arabic and Akkadian, respectively. Unreliable All99 mentions Urakhga/Rukh, but not in connection with δ Cyg Rursus
ε Cen Birdhaun, Birdhun The only named stars in All99: Centaurus are α as everywhere else β

ICOP doesn't mention Birdh(a)un

Rursus
ε Hya Ashlesha see User:Richontaban fake star names
ε Lep → μ Lep Neshmet see User:Richontaban fake star names
μ Lep Sasin → Neshmet → Sasin see User:Richontaban fake star names
θ UMa Sarir Sarīr Banāt al Naʽash, the Throne of the Mourners It occurs in Allen98: Ursa Major as an asterism including theta. The naming is dubious, not quite fake. NOT
ε UMi Canis Cauda * < canis cauda dog's tail Dog = bear?
ε UMi Urodelus * < ουροδηλος urodēlos conspicuous tail (of the dog/bear) Inexplicable change of name by same user: exactly the modus operandi of User:Richontaban! Either a copycat or another incarnation of our famous desinformer troll! Skeptic2
δ¹ Tau Hydrobius

User:Chermundy[edit]

A quite misdirected edit by User:Chermundy. He's prob unrelated to User:Richontaban, his contributions seems somewhat irresponsible but not systematically disruptive.

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Sirius (Bright green) Sirius Ancient Greek Σείριος Seirios ("scorcher") Don't remove this star name: it is OK! NOT
η CVn (white) (not yet examined) prob deleted, but not described in this list
θ Com (skin pink) Muppet Star Muppet show 1. the name is ridiculous, 2. there is no Theta in Coma Berenices, 3. the name is not found in All99, nor ICOP Rursus
stars to be examined
θ Cas Marfak-East
μ Cas Marfak-West
γ Crv Gienah Corvi
β Gru Gruid
ρ Leo Shir
σ Leo Shishimai

Possible misconceptions[edit]

The following might be former arabic descriptions that might be mistaken as names:

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ρ Boo   Al Hamalain, from the Arabic الحملين al-ħamalayn "the two sheep (rams). lookup! It's realistic.
σ Boo Al Hamalain, from the Arabic الحملين al-ħamalayn "the two sheep (rams). lookup! It's realistic.
ζ UMi Alifa al Farkadain lookup!
η UMi Anwar al Farkadain lookup!
ι Her Rijl Al-Jathiyah
ε Her Cujam All tables say: Cujam/Cajam/Kajam = ω, not ε
Template:Stars of Hercules suspect: ε "Cujam", ι "Rijl Al-Jathiyah"
Template:Stars of Leo suspect: ρ "Shir", σ "Shishimai" (User:Chermundy see above!), 30/η "Al Jabhah".
Template:Stars of Ophiuchus just take a look!
Template:Stars of Orion suspect: η "Algjebba" (attested from Patrick Moore in 1979)
Template:Stars of Pisces suspect: γ "Simmah", ω "Vernalis", ε "Kaht", τ "Anunitum, (introduced by User:Chermundy) and δ "Linteum"
Template:Stars of Piscis Austrinus suspect: β "Aboras"
Template:Stars of Puppis suspect: π "Ahadi", σ "Hadir"
Template:Stars of Sagittarius suspect: μ "Polis", ν¹ "Ain al Rami", π "Albaldah", φ "Nanto"
Template:Stars of Scorpius suspect: θ "Sargas", ι¹ "Apollyon", G "Basanismus"
Template:Stars of Serpens suspect: γ "Ainalhai"
Template:Stars of Ursa Major suspect: θ "Alhaud"
Template:Stars of Ursa Minor suspect: ζ "Alifa al Farkadain", η "Anwar al Farkadain"
Template:Stars of Vela suspect: μ "Peregrini", ο "Xestus"
Template:Stars of Virgo suspect: λ "Khambalia", μ "Rijl al Awwa"

I found a source for "Khambalia" although not listed among your sources. It is listed as Virgo's left foot (lambda) in The Fixed Stars and Constellations in Astrology by Vivian E. Robson. A quick search finds a preview of it, including the index, on Amazon.com.Imzogelmo (talk) 08:42, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

User:Ilvon - fake star names[edit]

This is User:Ilvon's contribution to the fake star hunt-down. These star names are mostly originally from User:Richontaban. Somehow they're prob reintroduced in error. Most of them have already been deleted. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 16:22, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

star alleged name (+link) alleged etymology consideration conclusion
ε Cep Phicares which is an ancient Phoenician name for the constellation Cepheus meaning "The Fire Kindler" idem. Other name of β Cep: "Alfirk is now current for this star, although originally given to α; and Ficares is occasionally seen, from one of the degenerated names for the whole constellation that also may have been applied by the Arabs to others of its brighter stars" (Star Name - R.H.Allen p. 155). Agree to erase the name from this star.
η Cep Al Agimin The sheep fold. The Arabs applied this name collectively to Alpha Cephei, Beta Cephei and Eta Cephei idem. Together with θ Cep mark Al Kidr, meaning unknown (Star Name - R.H.Allen p. 155). I think Al Kidr not really fake and consider to replace Al Agimim with Al Kidr, share with θ Cep
θ Cep Al Kidr The bowl. idem. Together with η Cep mark Al Kidr, meaning unknown (Star Name - R.H.Allen p. 155). I think Al Kidr not really fake and consider to rename this star with Al Kidr, share with η Cep
ι Cep Alvahet or Alvahat "The Oasis", derived from the Arabic title of a northern asterism known as الواحة القفر al-wahat al-qafr "The Desert Oasis". (idem). Not found the references about the name yet Agree to erase the name from this star, until the references for the name is found
ν Cep Cor Regis Heart of king in Latin. (idem). Not found the references about the name yet Agree to erase the name from this star, until the references for the name is found
δ Cet Phycochroma Seaweed-colored in Greek. (idem). Not found the references about the name yet Agree to erase the name from this star, until the references for the name is found
θ Cet Altawk The necklace in Arabic. (idem). I consider to replace Altawk with al Naamat, Thanih al Naamat or Secunda Sthrutionum
υ Cet Aquae Abyssi or Abyssus Aqueus Waters of the Deep or The Watery Deep, giving reference to the abode of Cetus the whale (sea monster). (idem).
  • Not found the references about the name Aquae Abyssi or Abyssus Aqueus yet
  • η, θ, τ, ζ, and υ Cet (γ And in Al Achsasi Al Mouakket catalogue as Khamis al Naamat or Al Ḣāmis al Naʽāmāt which was translated in Latin as Quinta Sthrutionum, meaning the fifth ostrich), were Al Naʽāmāt, the Hen Ostriches (Star Name - R.H.Allen p. 160)
  • I consider to replace Aquae Abyssi or Abyssus Aqueus with al Naamat
  • Khamis al Naamat could be the suggested name of this star, shared with γ And from Al Achsasi Al Mouakket catalogue and R.H. Allen books, because of η as aoul or prima (first ostrich), θ as thanih or secunda (second ostrich), τ as thalath or tertia (third ostrich) and ζ as rabah or quarta (fourth ostrich) which were consistant. υ should be as khamis or quinta (fifth ostrich) consistantly but I don't know about Al Mouakket consideration to put γ And as khamis or quinta.
π Cet Al Sadr al Ketus The Chest of Cetus, I think it's Arabic. (idem). ε ... with π, ρ, and σ, also was Al Sufi's Al Sadr al Ḳaiṭos, the Whale's Breast. (Star Name - R.H.Allen p. 160) I think Al Sadr al Ketus not really fake and consider to rename this star with Al Sadr al Ketus, maybe shared with ε Cet, ρ Cet and σ Cet
β Crt Al Sharāsīf, The ribs (of Hydra) in Arabic, which it shares with ν Hya, though in the case of Nu Hydrae the transliteration Sherasiph is used. (idem). β, of 4.4 magnitude, at the southern edge of the base, was one of Al Tizini's Al Sharāsīf, the Ribs, — i.e. of the Hydra, — and the first of the set. (Star Name - R.H.Allen p. 182) I think Al Sharāsīf not really fake and consider to rename this star with Al Sharāsīf
δ Crt Labrum Latin title referring to the Holy Grail from which Jesus and His apostles drank at the Last Supper. (idem). Not found the references about the name yet Agree to erase the name from this star, until the references for the name is found
ε Cru Juxta Crucem "Near (Close to) the Cross" in Latin, a lyric from the hymn Stabat Mater. (idem). Há, ainda, no Cruzeiro, além dessas 4 estrelas que desenham a cruz, uma quinta "estrelinha", Épsilon-Crucis, bem menos brilhante que a Pálida. Por não estar nem no braço maior e nem no menor, é carinhosamente chamada de Intrometida pelo povo brasileiro. (There are also on the cruise, besides these four stars that draw the cross, a fifth star, Epsilon Crucis, much less bright than Pálida. Why not be even greater in the arm and not in the slightest, is affectionately called Intrometida by Brazilian people.((in Portuguese) SCRUX AUSTRALIS O CRUZEIRO DO SUL)
  • I'd seached about the term of Juxta Crucem and the result is, the term and article about Juxta Crucem is not erased, but only redirected into ε Cru's article
  • I think Juxta Crucem is not judged as "fake" yet and consider to replace this star with Intrometida with the clear reference.
κ Dra Ketu the Dragon's Tail, refers to the south lunar node according to the Vedic/Hindu lunar cycle. (idem). Consequently, κ Draconis itself is known as 紫微右垣二 (Zǐ Wēi Yòu Yuán èr, English: the Second Star of Right Wall of Purple Forbidden Enclosure.) ((in Chinese) AEEA (Activities of Exhibition and Education in Astronomy) 天文教育資訊網 2006 年 6 月 11 日), representing 少尉 (Shǎowèi), meaning Second Chief Judge (English-Chinese Glossary of Chinese Star Regions, Asterisms and Star Name, Hong Kong Space Museum. Accessed on line November 23, 2010.). 少尉 (Shǎowèi) is westernized in R.H. Allen's book as Shaou Wei, but this term is only for γ Cep's Chinese name. I consider to replace the name Ketu with Shaou Wei with the clear reference from Chinese literature.
φ Dra Batentaban Australis or Batn al Thuban unknown but I think the meaning is the southern dragon's belly the Arabic word, mixed by Latin word. I consider to replace the name Batentaban Australis or Batn al Thuban with Zhù Shǐ (please help me find the westernized version of this term) with the clear reference from Chinese literature.
χ Dra Batentaban Borealis derived from the Arabic بطن الثعبان baţn al-thubān, meaning the Dragon's (or Serpent's) Belly idem. I consider to replace the name Batentaban Borealis with Yu Neu with the clear reference from Chinese literature.
δ Equ Pherasauval a contraction of the title Faras al-’Awwal (الفرس الأول), meaning "The First Horse". (idem). Not found the references about the name yet Agree to erase the name from this star, until the references for the name is found
τ4 Eri Liberfluus (Liberflux) Free-flowing River in Latin (idem). Not found the references about the name yet Agree to erase the name from this star, until the references for the name is found
θ Gem Nageba Derived from the Arabic title التوامان النجيبة Al-Tawa'man Al-Najibah meaning "The Highborn Twins", referring to the belief that the twins were the divinely ordained sons of a king. (idem). Not found the references about the name yet Agree to erase the name from this star, until the references for the name is found
κ Gem Al Kirkab The Vineyard Husbandman in Arabic idem. I consider to replace the name Al Kirkab with Tseih Tsing with the clear reference from Chinese literature.
λ Gem Kebash or Alkibash The rams in Arabic. (idem). Not found the references about the name yet Agree to erase the name from this star, until the references for the name is found
γ Her Biceps the biseps?? idem.
  • Since the first time I saw the name Biceps, I was suspicious that this name is fake.
  • I consider to replace the name Biceps with Ho Keen with the clear reference from Chinese literature.
γ Hya Cauda Hydrae or Dhanab al Shuja Hydra's Tail or the Snake's Tail. (idem). Not found the references about the name yet Agree to erase the name from this star, until the references for the name is found
δ Hya Mautinah Circlet of Pearls in Arabic (idem). Not found the references about the name yet Agree to erase the name from this star, until the references for the name is found
ε Hya Ashlesha (Azleṣa) The Embracing One (idem). Āshleshā (आश्लेषा) (The Embracer) is nakshatra consisting of δ, ε, η, ρ, and σ Hydrae Agree to erase the name from this star
ν Hya Sherasiph and Pleura Ribs or side (of Hydra) in Arabic and Greek, respectively. (idem). κ, a 5th‑magnitude, ..., with β Crateris, were Al Sufi's Al Sharāsīf, the Ribs. (Star Name - R.H.Allen p. 246) Agree to erase the name from this star
π Hya Sataghni or Markeb. unknown Not found the references about the name yet Agree to erase the name from this star, until the references for the name is found
τ¹ Hya and τ² Hya Ukdah (Prima and Secunda) From Arabic عقدة uqdah meaning "the Knot". idem. τ¹, 4.9, flushed white, and τ², lilac, with ι and the 5th‑magnitude A, form the curve in the neck, Ptolemy's Καμπή; but Kazwini knew them as ʽUḳdah, the Knot. (Star Name - R.H.Allen p. 238).

I think Ukdah not really fake and consider to rename these star with Ukdah (Prima and Secunda), share with ι Hya as tertia (third ukdah) and A Hya as quarta (fourth ukdah).

α Ind The Persian, Pe Sze A name given to it by Jesuit missionaries during the late 17th Century. It is mistranslated in the Latin constellation name Indus and transliterated as a Chinese asterism Pe Sze (波斯). idem. Indus, or its lucida α, was Pe Sze in China, where it also was known as the Persian, a title from the Jesuit missionaries. (Star Name - R.H.Allen p. 246).

I think The Persian and Pe Sze not really fake and consider to rename this star with The Persian and Pe Sze.

μ Lep Neshmet was a boat belonging to the god Nun. [1]. I consider to replace the name Neshmet and Sasanka or Sasin with Ping Sing with the clear reference from Chinese literature.
ε Lep Sasanka or Sasin unknown
τ Lib Derakrab Australis Southern One of the Scorpion's Arm; the base name Derakrab being a contraction of the Arabic title Al-Dhira al-Akrab (الذراع العقرب), meaning "Arm of the Scorpion" + Latin australis for "southern". (idem).

Consequently, τ Librae itself is known as 天輻一 (Tiān Fú yī, English: The First Star of Celestial Spokes) and υ Librae itself is known as 天輻二 (Tiān Fú èr, English: The Second Star of Celestial Spokes) ((in Chinese) AEEA (Activities of Exhibition and Education in Astronomy) 天文教育資訊網 2006 年 6 月 29 日).

I consider to replace the name Derakrab Australis and Derakrab Borealis with Tiān Fú (please help me find the westernized version of this term) with the clear reference from Chinese literature.
υ Lib Derakrab Borealis Northern One of the Scorpion's Arm; the base name Derakrab being a contraction of the Arabic title Al-Dhira al-Akrab (الذراع العقرب), meaning "Arm of the Scorpion" + Latin borealis for "northern". (idem)
α Lup Men, Kakkab the South Gate, the Star Left Hand of the Horned Bull (idem) I think Men and Kakkab (Su‑gub Gud‑Elim) not really fake and consider to rename this star with Kakkab.
γ Lup Thusia The Sacrifice, short for Thusia Theriou, from Greek θυσια θηριον "the animal sacrifice" (idem). Not found the references about the name yet Agree to erase the name from this star, until the references for the name is found
δ Lup Hilasmus The Propitiation in Greek. (idem). Not found the references about the name yet Agree to erase the name from this star, until the references for the name is found
α Lyn Alvashak, Al Fahd The Lynx or The Wild Cat in Arabic. (idem). Not found the references about the name yet Agree to erase the name from this star, until the references for the name is found
38 Lyn Maculosa and Maculata The Spotted One (idem). Not found the references about the name yet Agree to erase the name from this star, until the references for the name is found
α Mus Myia unknown Not found the references about the name yet Agree to erase the name from this star, until the references for the name is found
γ Oph Al Durajah Mighty Arabian charioteer seen among the stars of Ophiuchus. (idem).

Consequently, γ Ophiuchi itself is known as 宗正二 (Zōng Zhēng èr, English: the Second Star of Official for Royal Clan.) ((in Chinese) AEEA (Activities of Exhibition and Education in Astronomy) 天文教育資訊網 2006 年 6 月 25 日). 宗正 (Zōng Zhēng) is westernized in R.H. Allen's book as Tsung Ching, together with β Oph. (Star Name - R.H.Allen p. 297

I consider to replace the name Al Durajah with Tsung Ching with the clear reference from Chinese literature.
κ Oph Helkath Battlefield or battleground (idem). Not found the references about the name yet Agree to erase the name from this star, until the references for the name is found
ν Oph Sinistra Left side in Latin (idem). Nu (ν) Ophiuchus, Sinistra, is a star on the right hand of the Serpent Bearer. The word Sinistra actually refers to the left side. (Constellations of Words, Explore the Etymology and Symbolism of the Constellations - Ophiuchus - Sinistra) I think Sinistra not really fake and consider to rename this star with Sinistra.
θ Oph Imad or Kaki Pillar and lower foot in Arabic (idem). θ, 3.4, lies on the right foot, only a little to the southwest of the place of the noted Kepler's Star, the nova of 1604. Epping says that the 25th ecliptic constellation of Babylonia was marked by it as Kash-shud Sha‑ka-tar‑pa, of undetermined signification. (Star Name - R.H.Allen p. 297) I consider to replace the name Imad or Kaki with Kash-shud Sha‑ka-tar‑pa with the clear reference from R.H.Allen works.
72 Oph Phorbaceus Referring to the hero Phorbas, who saved the island of Rhodes from a plague of serpents. (idem). Ophiuchus ... Triopas, king of the Perrhaebians; Carnabon, Carnabas, and Carnabus, the slayer of Triopas; Phorbas, his Thessalian son, who freed Rhodes from snakes; Cadmus changed to a serpent; ... (Star Name - R.H.Allen p. 297) Agree to erase the name from this star
67 Oph Fellah Peasant in Arabic. (idem). Not found the references about the name yet Agree to erase the name from this star, until the references for the name is found
φ Ori Khad Cheek in Arabic. (idem). Not found the references about the name yet Agree to erase the name from this star, until the references for the name is found

This table is only for discussion, please read the above sources more carefully . Cheers...

Hamalain[edit]

Yup, it was the guy you're investigating. (See my talk page for my last substantial edit--much of what I did later was based on what was already in the divided charts, just assuming it was right.) Here are the IP's I've found in that range editing these articles: [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17] (part fixed), [18], [19], [20], [21], [22], [23], [24], [25], [26], [27], [28], [29], [30], [31] (you've fixed?), [32], [33], [34], [35], [36] (innocuous), [37], and apparently 6.12 or 182.113, so there may be a wider range of IP's. — kwami (talk) 22:16, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I added 191, 195, 201, 212, 242, 6.12 and 182.13 to my list. I'm going to take a look at your talk page. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 22:57, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
God, what a mess. I preferred it as a single article, and that made it much easier to police.
Since he's apparently not restricted to 168.223.11, it might be a good idea to expand your search to all of 168.223. (Maybe he went to the library or a cafe that day.) I don't recall any other IP addresses in that range that aren't suspicious, so it won't cost you anything. (Except for more crap to fix, I mean.)
To get the expanded list, all I did was go through the page history, then call up the contributions of all editing IP addresses in that range, then look at the page histories of any of those edits on stars, etc. Of course, there may be similar crap in all the mythological and botanical articles these IP's edited that you or I couldn't evaluate. This should probably be expanded at ANI for wider help. — kwami (talk) 23:04, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
185 (new), 188 (innocuous), 219 (new), 222 (innocuous, at least for the star articles), 231 (innocuous), 49.202 (outside the .11 range)
One to evaluate: 168.18.240.1 (slightly outside our IP range; also edited Puppis list)
A mess it is. I'm restricting myself to star names – he was (is?) also very active in other areas, making some perhaps constructive and some not so constructive edits, making it hard to monitor all changes in order to organize some reversion raid. And 168.223 and 199.44 are IP prefixes that for me by now immediately signals Warning! when googling article history pages. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 23:28, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Adding some more just above. — kwami (talk) 23:38, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Perfect. I saw that about "Al Fawaris" above. Now I'm going to leave this matter for two days, because of other pressing issues. I'll hope we'll resolve these troubles in a month or so, unless (as I suspect) the guy in question is wreaking havoc elsewhere on WP. Maybe we should also try to make a WP:ANI. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 23:53, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

This is the last substantial edit I made to "Lists of stars by constellation", to which I had added a great deal of info, including names in the Arabic, Persian, Chinese, and Greek scripts. I can't guarantee that I got it all right (assuming Allen was right, his transcriptions were sometimes difficult to decipher), or that no fake names had snuck in in the meantime, but generally anything in that version is probably (85%?) okay, whereas I'd be suspicious of things not in it, though of course there were plenty of later improvements too. — kwami (talk) 09:58, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Lambda Tauri[edit]

Looks like the same guy you've been discussing. I see "Elthor" in the starbox, but I can find nothing to source the name.--Imzogelmo (talk) 19:17, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the note. Our cleanups aren't always complete. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 17:03, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Pultar.org[edit]

The old hoaxes are returning:

The site pultar.org replicates the above WP:HOAXes and some editor(s) are reinserting them here.

The site altiusdirectory.com replicates the above WP:HOAXes and some editor(s) are reinserting them here. This altiusdirectory.com links a lot to various topics in WP.

Take a look at:

  • Tau Pegasi, Salm (perhaps OK?), Kerb (unheard, but Allen might have it), Markab (heard of it, but applied to Tau Peg? Don't know...)
  • Mu Virginis, Rijl al Awwa (perhaps OK, but needs verification)
  • Delta Tauri, Eudora, is pretty certainly hoax
  • Mu Sagittarii, Polis, perhaps OK but the star is virtually never called "Polis" except as a subclause in Allen99, cleanup needed
  • Iota1 Scorpii, Apollyon (a demon from the Bible?), citation verily definitely needed!!

User:CarloscomB:

How to name a star[edit]

List of invalid methods:

  1. don't use Wikipedia, we will delete it as a WP:HOAX, and we will become very annoyed,
  2. don't buy it from a company that allegedly "sells" star names, both Wikipedia and IAU will disregard such star names, and chances is that you will feel deceived,
  3. don't run a web campaign to convince IAU to name a star, this or that way, they will refuse to listen, don't use Wikipedia as a platform for this campaign, we will regard such campaigns as disruptive editing, and block (and perhaps ban) any editors partaking in such a campaign. It will be unpleasant, painful and shaming.

List of valid methods:

  1. research a single star extensively and scientifically properly by using telescopes and spectrographs, if the star appears like very unique and odd, chances are that your last name will be used to name the star, say Doe's Star if your name is John or Jane Doe, and you're reknowned as a nice and generous scientist to your colleagues,
  2. become an astronaut, jokingly name a star with your middle name backwards when communicating with the ground control, then die unexpectedly and tragically in your profession, then there are chances that that star will keep that joke name for some 40 years, if it didn't already have a name,
  3. if you're an assistant to a researcher and star catalogue maker, you might perhaps get away with such a practical joke too, but not if you're simply a planetarium lecturer,
  4. research antique catalogs, such as Almagest or Al-Sufi's Book of Fixed stars, and discover an already existing name or description on a star, and claim that the name already exists, then publish a very cheap and popular astronomy book, claiming precisely this name,
  5. claim that a certain star, such as Kappa Andromedae should have the name Honores (from Honores Friderici) by analogy of 53 Eridani being named Sceptrum after Sceptrum Brandenburgium, then publish a very cheap and popular astronomy book, claiming precisely this name.
... or some such.

All kinds of astronomers use to ignore star names because it is hard to remember them. If the alleged name lacks any logical connection to the star, such as f.ex. Jimmies Rubberduck for Eta Piscium, then remembering the names will be perfectly impossible.