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WikiCup 2010 May newsletter[edit]


We are half way through round 3, with a little under a month to go. The current overall leader is Hungary Sasata (submissions), who has 570 points. He leads pool C. Pools A, B and D are led by Pennsylvania Hunter Kahn (submissions), Colorado Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) and War ensign of the German Empire Navy 1848-1852.svg White Shadows (submissions) respectively. Anything you worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page.

Two of last year's final 8, Sweden Theleftorium (submissions) and Iceland Scorpion0422 (submissions), have dropped out of the competition, saying they would rather their place went to someone who will have more time on their hands than them next round. On a related note, a special thank you goes to War ensign of the German Empire Navy 1848-1852.svg White Shadows (submissions) for his help behind the scenes once again. There is currently a problem with the poster, perhaps caused by the new skin- take a look at this discussion and see if you can help. The competition has continued to tick over well with minimal need for judge intervention, so thank you to everyone making that possible. Good luck to all! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17 20:53, 31 May 2010 (UTC)


I have seen that you edited some volleyball articles. Some players articles, most of them looks outdated. I would like to improve players by country. Could you please choose a country to contribute with? Please take a look on Yekaterina Gamova, Hélia Souza, Serena Ortolani and Kenia Carcaces for a model to follow. Please can you please improve some volleyball players with infobox and some addons? References are very important. Let me know. Oscar987 22:00, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

You are now a Reviewer[edit]

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WikiCup 2010 June newsletter[edit]


We're half way through 2010, and the end of the WikiCup is in sight! Round 3 is over, and we're down to our final 16. Our pool winners were Australian Federation Flag.svg Ian Rose (submissions) (A), Colorado Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) (B, and the round's overall leader), Colombia ThinkBlue (submissions) (C) New South Wales Casliber (submissions) and New Orleans TonyTheTiger (submissions) (D, joint), but, with the scores reset, everything is to play for in our last pooled round. The pools will be up before midnight tonight, and have been selected randomly by J Milburn. This will be the toughest round yet, and so, as ever, anything you worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page.

Though unaffiliated with the WikiCup, July sees the third Great Wikipedia Dramaout- a project with not dissimilar goals to the WikiCup. Everyone is welcome to take part and do their bit to contribute to the encyclopedia itself.

If you're interested in the scores for the last round of the Cup, please take a look at Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/Round 3 and Wikipedia:WikiCup/History/2010/Full/Round 3. Our thanks go to Bavaria Stone (submissions) for compiling these. As was predicted, Group C ended up the "Group of Death", with 670 points required for second place, and, therefore, automatic promotion. This round will probably be even tougher- again, the top two from each of the two groups will make it through, while the twelve remaining participants will compete for four wildcard places- good luck everyone! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17

RFA and Paschal[edit]

First, I must decline the offer of an RfA, with thanks. I don't do much admin-related work at the moment, and I just can't see myself being able to increase my workload by that much at the present time. With that in mind, I don't think that I need the tools for anything. As for the Paschal FAC, I promise to try to get to it before it reaches the older nominations section, but I don't think I'm going to be able to look at it in the next couple of days. You've caught me at a bad time, as there are a lot of FACs I want to provide input on at the moment. In fact, I'm going to do one right after I finish this message. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 02:16, 4 August 2010 (UTC)


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Hi. I decided to accept your nom. I think you need to stick it on the right page though. Fainites barleyscribs 11:46, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Non-free files in your user space[edit]

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Admin coaching[edit]

Hi there. I have recently come back from a health-related break from wiki editing and would really like to start again from where I left off. I was previously being coached by Juliancolton but unfortunately he has decided to take a sabbatical from admin coaching. I have been very active on AfD throughout my Wiki "career" but I would like to focus more on article writing. I cannot foresee any circumstances under which I will be leaving WP again for an extended period of time, and I would like to use the time that I have to work towards a more thorough understanding of all aspects of the project, but especially those which would help with with an RfA. If you'd like to have a look at my previous coaching it can be found here. PanydThe muffin is not subtle 21:00, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

(butting in) I can help with some article writing if you like. Getting audited content (i..e that others have reviewed - DYKs, GAs, and FAs) is a great thing to show potential voters - it also shows you can negotiate with reviewers as well. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:42, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Selena FAR[edit]

I have nominated Selena for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. --BelovedFreak 20:45, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

RFA Nomination[edit]

  • I'll be the first to confess my ignorance; I'm not sure what an RFA nomination is-- it might be one of those cases of "If you have to ask, you're not qualified"-- but I might well be interested and I'd like to hear more. I appreciate the compliments. Mandsford 22:35, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, then, I would be interested in being nominated. After three years, I think that I've learned enough both about Wikipedia's policies, and about civility, that I could do a good job. Regarding the latter, I was blocked for a day back in December of 2008, but it's the best thing that could have happened to me. While that may be a count against becoming an admin (and if it is, I understand completely), I've learned since then how to keep situations from escalating. If it works out, good; if it doesn't, that's OK too. Mandsford 14:22, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
"Still" is probably the key word on that one, something like a 40-10 in support at the moment that I last looked, but every time I answer a question, I'm just digging myself deeper into a hole. Most of those words of support came before I began the "confirmation hearings" part, and it's not gone well since then. It takes a long time to answer each question-- like everyone else here, I have a day job-- and each answer I give is going to lead to yet another question. I'd rather give honest answers instead of trying to be the type of person that other admins are looking for. I appreciate the nomination and the words of advice and encouragement along the way. You went out on a limb, and I apologize if I've let you down, but my philosophy isn't going to change between now and the 31st. Mandsford 13:12, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Following your advice, I'll stick it out through August 31, and I appreciate your encouragement. Truth be told, it doesn't matter to me how this comes out, and that, in and of itself, may well be the strongest point against my being an administrator. I do care about doing the job right, but I don't care whether I get the job or not. We'll see what happens. Mandsford 17:13, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Actually, contra your statement, some feel[who?] that anyone who wants to be an administrator is unsuitable for the role. –xenotalk 17:17, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Secret, for having nominated me for Administrator, and for all the good advice along the way. I'll try to do a good job. Mandsford 00:15, 1 September 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for your revert of Ajona in the Selena article. Are you interested in a RFA? You are highly qualified for one. Thanks Secret account 17:18, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

It would be nice, but I would say not now. I need a little more experience and learn more English before I do a big jump, but thank you for considerate it. TbhotchTalk C. 15:27, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Krichell and Paschal - CE request[edit]

Sorry, Secret, I don't have time to copyedit full articles for FA right now. I've got a huge project that I'm working on in addition to a few articles in my own queue to re-write, so I won't be able to help out this time. Thanks for asking. — KV5Talk • 11:56, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I smoothed out Paschal a little. Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:23, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


The article has improved, but at the moment, I just don't think it's at FA standard, mainly for prose. To me, it still needs a copy edit from a non-baseballer to make it more readable for the general reader. Thanks for the RfA offer, but to be honest, it doesn't really interest me. I only really get involved in writing and reviewing. --Sarastro1 (talk) 06:12, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I would gladly do a copyedit, however copyediting tends to be my own weak spot when it comes to article writing, and Sarastro notes it should be from a non-baseball project person to catch jargon and the like. As such I'd probably miss a lot of it. I'll do one shortly, but I can't guarantee I'll catch everything. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 22:18, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
It's better, but I still have unaddressed concerns on the review page. I could also list more prose issues, but as I've said, I would prefer an uninvolved copy-editor who hasn't really seen it yet. To be honest, I'd do it myself, but I simply don't have the time at the moment. --Sarastro1 (talk) 19:42, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
I'll try and have a look a bit later again at the tricky bit. Just a bit busy with RL chores. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:13, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
I've done what I can with the prose and I'm fairly happy now. I'd be happy to support if my last few quibbles were tidied up, and I have removed my oppose. --Sarastro1 (talk) 09:30, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
My day has turned to complete horsecrap, but I might get a look in a few hours. Secret you have my sympathies - if I look over all my FAs, it is amazing how well some just 'gell' and others just are really difficult. It fascinates me wondering why this is. Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:35, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Ask not for whom the bell tolls ...[edit]

I think if you come back to the Liberty Bell FAC], you'll see your concerns have been taken care of. Philosophical Hall! See! Actually I'm amazed that was a redlink. Our Philly people are asleep on the job. Hope you can support.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:17, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Tom Stouch[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Tom Stouch at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Ishtar456 (talk) 00:10, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Tom Stouch at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Sorry, I do not see it on page 12.--Ishtar456 (talk) 00:00, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

I left you another reply.--Ishtar456 (talk) 01:52, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Oakland Raiders GA review[edit]

I didn't realize how many dead links are on the Raiders wiki. My predecessor left me a lot of work. Such a mess, I don't know where to start. Thanks for the pointers. Zoro 1234 17:47, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

You logged a ban; question[edit]

Hi. I have a question about User:John254. If he is banned for some reason, should we be still linking to his JSS code here? Not sure why he was behaving disruptively, but I thought it worth asking. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:44, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

If the tool is useful, there's no point in delinking it. Thanks Secret account 18:49, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Plausible G10s[edit]

Hi Secret, re that RFA discussion, I've started a thread at Wikipedia_talk:Biographies_of_living_persons#Attack_pages. ϢereSpielChequers 08:55, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


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Other pages you can AfD[edit]

If you're feeling up to it:

Alex (talk) 21:09, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Tom Stouch[edit]

RlevseTalk 00:04, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: Krichell[edit]

I could comment over at the FAC. If I do so, would you be able to do the same for the Harmon Killebrew article? Not my FAC, but he is a hall of fame baseball player, so any of those we can get to FA status is great. I'll read over Krichell in a couple days but I don't expect to find much that needs work. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 03:19, 5 September 2010 (UTC)


Secret, last year you removed my rollback privilege (log), I just noticed that. There were no complaints of any improper usage of rollback, which I'd requested and obtained more than a year earlier at the suggestion of Fritzpoll, who later became an arbitrator before he retired. I understand and agree that rollback is not to be used for ordinary content disputes, but only for vandalism, due to the lack of edit summary, and so I'm asking you to restore the privilege, because I may be doing more editing, as a certain topic ban expires this month, and that plan includes Recent Changes Patrol. I'm asking you in lieu of making a request on the request page, since you might have some opinion. Thanks. --Abd (talk) 20:03, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm no longer an adminstrator so I can't restore that previlege. Sorry Secret account 20:28, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the response! --Abd (talk) 19:24, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Happy Birthday[edit]

Armbrust Talk Contribs 00:13, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Have a happy!  7  01:17, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Black Betsy[edit]

-- Cirt (talk) 06:02, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


Looking better. Swap out this for the Allmusic bio, which the VH1 bio is a mirror of. Better to use the original than a mirror. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 16:55, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Secret pages 2[edit]

I have created Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Secret pages 2 per our discussion on my talk page. Cunard (talk) 06:20, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


I have never really considered adminship to be honest. I think that I'm just a bit too inexperienced. I have never had a featured article and have only had one good article promoted. I do a quite a bit of work with "Did you know?", but I'm not sure. I think that maybe in a half-a-year or so I might be up to it, but right now I don't think I'm ready. But thank you for noticing my work. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 03:47, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, will do. --Brian Halvorsen (talk) 03:36, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


Selena had two funerals one was for the general public and one for her family. AJona1992 (talk) 22:18, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Also before I add this please tell me why did you revert it?

Americans watch as the crime scene was taking place. The special coverage drew over 32 million viewers on CBS as a result of more than 93% of the USA watched, hear, and surface the Internet for anything to do with Selena[1]

I'll see the episode when I get the chance, I reverted mainly because of the 100 million fans in her funeral, 200 million albums facts, that's like beyond impossible facts, I can't trust your internet sources, as for the funeral I'll relook at my source after I finish with this book report I been delaying because I needed to rescue the article. Secret account 22:36, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

OK, and also the "see also" all I added was what Selena was in, based on the links. So now you have only have one, thats kinda stupid if you ask me, given the fact that it's not my point of view its someone else. AJona1992 (talk) 22:52, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Ms. G.O.A.T[edit]

Wanna just redirect this already? I think the consensus is clear now. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 16:26, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Yea I don't agree with the sourcing but consensus is clear. Secret account 20:06, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: Vital articles[edit]

True. I've actually been working on one off-wiki for a few weeks now; reading through the bios, slowly but surely adding and subtracting info. I'll just post it all at once though i usually don't do that. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 03:09, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


Hey Secret, just wanted to make sure you saw I responded to your message on my talk page. Thanks, Grsz11 16:09, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Yea I saw. Secret account 23:36, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Roberto Clemente[edit]

This will have to wait until next week. But in the meantime, those stats can be gathered. Regards, - Caribbean~H.Q. 02:11, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Paul Krichell[edit]

No problem. I've begun a copy-edit for the prose and got as far as the beginning of the 1920s section. I've made a few points of the review page which I can't clear up on my own. I apologise if I've slipped in any UK spellings while I've been doing it, I promise it's not deliberate! --Sarastro1 (talk) 22:15, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and feel free to revert anything I've messed up or you aren't too happy with. --Sarastro1 (talk) 22:17, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Oops! My apologies. Stick back anything I make a mess of, by all means! --Sarastro1 (talk) 21:47, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
I've done what I can. Let me know if there is anything else I can do to help. If you could clear up my queries, I will support. If you feel like looking at another sport, Roy Kilner is at FAC at the moment! --Sarastro1 (talk) 22:07, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
I'll look at it later on tonight, if not tomorrow. I'm a novise on commenting FAs, I just did a major comment on the Art Ross FAC though I know little about hockey. I know less about Cricket so I'll look. Secret account 22:22, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm very busy in real life at the moment (college-related matters), but I'll try to look at it again tomorrow to see if I can make any improvements. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 02:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)


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Do you have any problems with this[1] thread being closed as positively resolved? It seems to have had a successful resolution: more than most. As the nominator, you could close it yourself: I'd do it for you if you weren't comfortable with that. Unless there's further discussion from your side that you haven't mentioned there yet, I think this thread should be closed as resolved. Cheers! Doc9871 (talk) 09:06, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Yea go close it. Secret account 18:47, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

ANI: AJona1992[edit]

Hi, I've made a proposal (and comments) on [[User:AJona1992|AJona1992's] ANI. If you have time and wish to revisit the ANI to help with it, I'd appreciate it; regardless of whether you support my proposal or not (your feedback is greatly appreciated either way). Best, Robert (ROBERTMFROMLI TALK/CNTRB 00:49, 22 September 2010 (UTC))

Your RFA[edit]

Hi Secret! For your edit stats, could you please create User:Secret/EditCounterOptIn.js so more detailed stats appear on X!'s edit counter? If you don't want to, that's fine, but full stats are usually posted at Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/Secret. Good luck :) Airplaneman 04:31, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Create it for me, I'm bad with techinical stuff. Secret account 04:46, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

You can just save that page with the word OK in it, but it really ought to be you opting yourself in. ϢereSpielChequers 05:53, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

English speaking level[edit]

Howdy. I'm curious about what proficiency level you speak English at. The reason I ask is because on your user page, you say it is at a professional level, but in your RfA there appear to be multiple grammatical and spelling errors.--Rockfang (talk) 07:29, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

RfA chatter :)[edit]

Hi Secret :) Just wanted to leave a quick note to you to not get put down by oppose comments. It's always the prerogative of editors to support or oppose. I notice that you are attempting to clarify your point of view to some of the opposing voters. While that might be logical, I suspect that your discussing views with the oppose voters might inflame issues to a level one might not wish. If I were in your position, I'd just let it be; but it's your call surely. Irrespective of that, I repeat, don't take the comments in the RfA to heart, and not even the RfA itself, whichever way it proceeds. You're a great contributor, and there are a host of editors, including me, who'll be privileged to interact with you in the coming future. My sincerest regards to you. Wifione ....... Leave a message 17:31, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Yea I know the rules, I need to clafify some of the oppose votes to prevent a misunderstanding. I won't badger the opposes anymore, unless it's clearly a strong misunderstanding, like with three oppose votes, to clafify that I'm dylexcic and to defend my actions on the Selena article. I expected it to be a bloodbath anyways because of my past history and my communication skills aren't up to par. Secret account 17:35, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
True... Like I mentioned, don't worry. You're valued by a considerable lot of people out here (look at the support votes). Best regards. Wifione ....... Leave a message 17:39, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Now the oppose votes are going too far, that I'm thinking about withdrawing and quitting the project completely "detriment to the project", this is harsh for someone who can't handle stress very well because of my disease. It makes me feel like my contributions are unwanted. Secret account 17:46, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Nooooo!!!!... I didn't mean it like that. Sorry. I hope you reconsider. I never want to hurt anyone. I... don't know what I meant. I should not have even voted. I'm glad you decided to join wikipedia!!!
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Don't quit[edit]

Please don't. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 19:43, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Absolutely ridiculous, that RfA. Please do not leave, Secret; prove that you can handle the job. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 20:04, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
  • - Fully agree, you are valued member of the community, your contributions to articles are awesome. Thanks. Off2riorob (talk) 20:08, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Um... nobody said you were a detriment to the project. Someone said you'd be detrimental as an admin, which is something quite different. By withdrawing your RFA in the way you did, you've only proven all of the opposers right. Most editors get by on Wikipedia without adminship. There's no reason for you to quit over it. Aiken (talk) 21:41, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

A quick note[edit]

I hope you won't let your experience at RfA put you off from contributing to the project. I didn't get a chance to look at your contributions in detail and !vote, but I've seen enough to now that your contributions are good! Take care, and I hope to see you around the place -- PhantomSteve.alt/talk\[alternate account of Phantomsteve] 19:15, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Secret. I doubt you want to quit, and to be honest I doubt you'll let yourself quit. The RFA was always going to be rough but you ramped up a lot of support quickly - I hope that means something to you. Wishing you well, as ever. Pedro :  Chat  19:25, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Greetings. I did not participate in your RFA, but I would like you to know that your contributions are very welcome here. I do think that 'detriment to the project' was an extremely poor choice of words for someone to say. Please do not let your RFA get to you. Whatever you choose to do in the future, I wish you all the best. Tyrol5 [Talk] 19:35, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Don't let one stupid remark make you quit. Obviously you are not a detriment to the project, and the harsh opposes are really bothersome to me as well. Smile! Tommy! 21:44, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
I still haven't decided if I want to leave or not, one thing is certain I'm not going though RFA again as my health can't resist it, it needs to be through ArbCom. Thanks for your support. Secret account 00:01, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Well take it easy. I commend the fact that you were so open in your RfA. I mean, really. I think that is so brave of you that you spoke out some very personal details, instead of making something up (which I'm sure most people including myself wouldn't have mind). I think another year or so might be healthy or so before requesting it if that one comment made you want to quit. I'd take that as a sign that maybe not now. But really, I personally think very highly of people willing to be so brave and bite the bullet like that. Warm regards, Tommy! 01:53, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
ArbCom told me I have to go though RFA again, looks like I'll never become an adminstrator again Secret account 20:40, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Don't be so sure. Time my friend. Give it time. Very best. Pedro :  Chat  20:45, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Deleting your RFA[edit]

Reading the blanked RFA I kinda feel that you may have revealed more RL information then you may feel comfortable with later. Have you any objection to my deleting the page and leaving a placeholder explaining that the original was deleted for privacy concerns ? Spartaz Humbug! 19:40, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

I didn't reveal anything that wasn't on my userpage. Leave it courtesey blanked. Secret account 00:02, 23 September 2010 (UTC)


Came back to look at the RfA again, and I see it's withdrawn - I hadn't had chance to look over things, but I had been impressed by your openness and honesty. It seems pretty clear to me that certainly nobody was suggesting you quit Wikipedia - in fact, there were plenty of comments praising your contributions. So I'd say thanks for your work for the project, and I hope to see it continue. Best regards -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:58, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Don't leave[edit]

Please don't leave us. Access Denied [FATAL ERROR] 23:58, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Leaving would be the greater detriment[edit]

Contrary to what you said on vodello's talkpage, Vodello actually said that adminship would be a detriment, not that you personally are a detriment. Specifically:
"Regardless of whether or not I agree with your stances, your constant involvement in drama on this site cannot allow me to support at this time. I feel promotion would be a detriment to Wikiepdia".
I just wanted to set that straight. You responded by creating drama, by framing their criticism differently, and by blaming vodello for your decision to leave.[2]
I think your responses are entirely consistent with the worries some !voters had - that you might not be responsible enough to be an administrator. In other words, I think you've proven vodello right. Also, since admins often face criticism (whether it's deserved or not), an inability to deal with criticism - or walking into a room where criticism is invited and then calling one honest response a personal attack[3] - is not going to help your case, regardless of whether you genuinely believe that it's a personal attack, or are merely trying to score points.
And then there's the arbcom request...
Nobody doubts that you have made some useful contributions to content; walking away from wikipedia entirely would be the greater detriment. I hope you'll do the mature thing, stick around, and keep on improving articles. I shan't beg and plead; others will, and that attention might cheer you up. But if you wish to walk away, that's your choice. Nobody else's.
You may choose to delete this comment, or keep it, or ignore it, or whatever. It's just one person's response to your edits. bobrayner (talk) 00:00, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

  • I don't understand the response of detriment, I been an adminstrator for four years, and I only abused my tools only once (Mzoli's Meats). Calling my promotion a detriment to Wikipedia personally affected me, and almost made my health relapse. I normally react good to criticism, and I value criticism greatly, always been. But that wasn't criticism that was an attack on me. I knew Vodello was going to strongly oppose my RFA even before my RFA started because we differ views on notability, so I wasn't in shock of the oppose vote, I was in shock on how he stated it. That's why I reacted poorly to that comment, because of my schizo-affective disorder, no matter how much medication I take, I can't handle a serious personal attack such as "being a detriment to the project". Secret account 00:14, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
    • As an admin, you will undoubtedly be subject to (blatant or what you may perceive as) egregious personal attacks at one time or another, at least more so than if you're not an admin, due to the nature of your work (deleting, blocking, etc.) It comes with the job; if you're not up to it, not being an admin surely isn't the end of the world :). Airplaneman 01:12, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Administrators get criticism. If your health problems lead you to do dramatic things in response to criticism (such as blanking pages, closing cases, and threatening to leave wikipedia), then your health problems could be a reason that you should not be trusted with extra powers. If that's the case then your health problems may be incompatible with your burning desire to become an administrator (ie. going to arbcom again, 49 minutes after closing the rfa). Perhaps the failure to get the mop has saved you a great deal of future illness or stress.
The main point of wikipedia is that it's an encyclopaedia which can be improved by anyone. I hope you stick around for that. I'm not perfect either - few wikipedians are - but I try to improve articles. We look forward to your contributions. bobrayner (talk) 01:31, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm sticking around by the advise of two arbcom members via email. I'm not going to try RFA for a while, and I'm likely going to appeal to ArbCom around January, I was fueled by anger over the mess in RFA, it wasn't what I expected, I knew it was going to be bloody but not that bloody. I been an admin for four years, yes it's stressful but I handled it well, with the exception of one AFD. Secret account 01:54, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Yea I had arbcom members stating that they would have given me back the tools if I never run for RFA. Thanks for your support. Secret account 02:19, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Yea I'm retiring, the main reason why I wanted the RFA so early was because I was going to become inactive because of school, so I wanted the tools before I had to fully become inactive. I may or may not come back. Only time will tell. Thanks for everyone support. Secret account 02:41, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
I hope you come back, Secret. Sometimes I personally think I stick around mainly to be a pain in the ass to the powers that be. I know you are frustrated, and I wish I could tell you how not to be. I think I just have come to see the project as such a joke, that there's nothing that anyone says or does to me that I see as anything BUT a joke. I think there's still hope here, as long as there's people that stand up and fight against the never-ending stream of bureaucratic sycophants and yes-men that the project is inundated with. You have had problems in the past, but I think the project would suffer from not having you here. Trusilver 02:53, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Best of luck in school, and I hope you return someday. Airplaneman 02:54, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi Secret, I agree with what was said by the others above. Please do not leave the project just because of the RFA. Having read your answers to your history there, I could see that you're a fighter and you'll stick to the project no matter what gets thrown at you. The RFA was painful and please take a break if you need to for your health sake, ... but please do not leave the project permanently because of it. We need people like you around. Good luck in all your RL endeavors. Bejinhan talks 03:04, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
I agree with every word of Bejinhan's comment above. I have commented on nearly every recent RFA, and was just about to return to add my support to yours, only to find it had been withdrawn. I'm disappointed I didn't get to add my support - but that's pretty irrelevant compared to how disappointed I would be to find that such a long term, productive, contributor had been so upset that he left the project. I don't believe anyone wanted that to happen in any way. Take a break - but please consider the comments here, and the value you have added to wikipedia as reasons not to leave.  Begoon•talk 03:24, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

I apologize that my opposition rationale affected your health. I have a severe abdominal pain condition that is also affected by stress. As clarified by others, you personally are not a detriment to Wikipedia. I hope you can forgive me, and also I wish the best for your health. Vodello (talk) 15:16, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

  • I agree that if you were to leave the project altogether, that would be detrimental. However, having read what you have written here, I must admit that I feel that adminship is probably not the right thing for you. I would be worried that it would adversely affect your health - and at the end of the day, your health is too important: it trumps adminship by a mile! Continue your excellent work on Wikipedia: hell, if you had the tools back, you'd probably be distracted from your proper work here by all that deleting and blocking malarky! Leave that (and the stresses involved) to others, like myself - I can do article work, but not as well as many others, including you. Play to your strengths - and enjoy it! -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 07:40, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
I had the disease since birth as I inhertited it (that explains my "history" of "drama"), and I handled the tools as well as I could. I handled severe harrasment, etc, on the project with the disease. With the disease the tools are nothing compared to what I went though it real life a few months back (will explain via email if you wish as if I expose the information publicly, while I will likely get the support of me handling the tools again, but I wouldn't want to expose it because of Encylopedia Dramatica, if I could get a lawsuit against them and the article deleted I would expose the information), and I handled it well, it's just that I got offended by one comment which thought my reputation was one of a dramamonger (which I'm not), and not valued by the project, if it wasn't for that comment I would have still been in RFA (likely failing but w.e i didn't care if i failed or not). I'm not leaving the project, but I am going to try for RFA in six months from now, and again I wouldn't care if it fails or not. Secret account 01:07, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
If you would like to email me, then you are welcome to do so (as I am an oversighter, you will know that I handle private and sensitive information). I would just like to add that if you do go to RfA again, I would not automatically oppose - I'll look at your history since the previous RfA, and judge on that! Whatever you do, and whatever happens RfA-wise, I wish you happiness! Regards, -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 08:28, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to hear...[edit]

Sorry to hear that you may be leaving (though I hope you change your mind at some point). Also, I wanted to thank you for taking the time to continue to work with AJona1992 even after all that transpired. Besides being appreciated by his new mentor (me), I think it made a very positive impact on him. Thanks again, and best wishes! Robert ROBERTMFROMLI TALK/CNTRB 22:30, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Re Selena[edit]

I saw what the reviewers wanted for the article such as adding the correct reference for the book "Como La Flor". I will help out as much as a I can so you can still have this article as your accomplished FA article. I will use Template:Cite book since its a book about her. AJona1992 (talk) 01:32, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

I would like to say that I am deeply sorry about what I have done to your excellent work, Selena. You have done such a great job at this article (applauds) it's sad that your taking a break, but everyone needs it, so as you do I hope and wish for you to have a relaxing time and I will try my best, with my mentors help as well, to succeed the articles expectations. Thank you for not continually talked about banning me, I believe that if you have done so I would've been banned and for that thank you Secret, I won't let you down in what you have done for me. I am still, if you want, going to send you those pictures (of TV Y Novelas magazine) to prove that those statements were said in this magazine. I hope we can build a better bond than what we had. Have a great day and hope you enjoy your vocation. AJona1992 (talk) 01:32, 24 September 2010 (UTC)


I've had your talk page on my watchlist since a while ago and saw your request, and have restored and protected the userpage as well as protecting the talk page. Soap 21:22, 28 September 2010 (UTC)


I sent you an email. :) SilverserenC 19:25, 29 September 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for the comments. Just let me know if you would like any copy-editing doing in future. --Sarastro1 (talk) 20:15, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

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