User:SusanLesch/Archive 45

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Minnesota Meetups

Sorry, I can't go. Swim meets and parties... ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 22:05, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like fun. Maybe next time. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:09, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


At once stage I had Scott Walker's version of I Threw It All Away, but lost it (irony intended). Help please to recover! In the mean time, this is very uplifting. Ceoil sláinte 01:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

O and today was brought to you by the letter T. What a voice. Ceoil sláinte 01:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Ceoil, thank you. YouTube looks some kind of a huge fair use site. Lyrics for this question. Who is Jokerman, manipulator of crowds? -SusanLesch (talk) 06:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Your asking me to interprate a track as obtuse as Jokerman? Pff, no idea what its about ;). Here is a outstanding early 80's cover of one of Tim Buckleys best tracks[1]. Ceoil sláinte 18:43, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Far out, it was Barbara Bradby and before 1990, not the editors Simon Frith and Andrew Goodwin who analyzed "you-me". Amazon and Google each gave me one peek at two editions of On Record: Rock, Pop and the Written Word. Or maybe they all know each other. Or maybe it was Frith. I don't know. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:25, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
If those links don't work where you are, here is some great self help video and free advice from Nona Hendryx and Joni Mitchell. In another part, as far as I know she's not kidding, gentlemen want most old ladies to retire. Thank you again! -SusanLesch (talk) 19:17, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Ach, then why bother listening to gentelmen? Anyway; I all ready have the Frith book, though I found it heavy going. Ceoil sláinte 19:27, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
A fine example you grew up to be. Someone will wander in someday wondering about those scholars and you'll be able to speak to them. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:49, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
I wish they'd hurry up and wander in! What are you thinking of working on these days, by the way. I trying Wordsworth, but its slow going. Anyway here are three very good Irish songs [2], [3], [4] Ceoil sláinte 20:49, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. I like Bell X1. Here's a nice song, hails from Wales. Hope I'm not the crazed fan Mr. Cale mentioned in his autobiography, I don't think so. Maybe next a chart of the USD $3.8 trillion that our government spent or might and a DYK for fun until I get over my cold. Good luck with your article. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:12, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
They dont come more handsome than John Cale. Speaking of which, did you not have John Cage linked on your user page at some stage.[5]. Glad you liked Bell X1. Ceoil sláinte 00:20, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Sir, you must be one of the biggest snoops on Wikipedia. It's okay, given Internet access, the whole world has the right too. For certain, John Cage came up last year on this article's talk page. I'll go with your version though because you are likely to be right. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:36, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Madam, I'll see your Engineering Task Force and raise you with the BBC Radiophonic Workshop, mostly through their work with White Noise. Mmh , k? Ceoil sláinte 00:47, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
This is quite special, even if mimed. Ceoil sláinte 06:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to miss a beat. The radiophonics workshop links got me thinking I don't know much about music. Talk Talk is more of same though--centered on one key, going nowhere. What is the key? Whoever was the "world's best bass player" at the time I heard live stuff used that trick. Maybe people from the land of drone music have more of a right to the technique. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:10, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
FAie enough, but 'Not going anywhere' is a minimualist device used to a create plaintive and meditave tone, and still melody is circular and haunting. The song end in an anti-climax, the whole point is it goes nowhere, as is resolved in a minor key. For sure its not to everybodys taste though! Ceoil sláinte 16:14, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh good we agree that was the point. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:27, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
A user uploaded Butley from the American Film Theatre this week. It takes hours, which I don't expect you have. Segments are named B N where N is some number. They also have Alan Bates about Butley here in which he explains why some women found it offensive. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:58, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
It litterly Kitchen sink realism, which I like very much. Have you seen Career Girls, or Secrets & Lies. Basic message is men=bad, women pick up the pieces. Hmm. Ceoil sláinte 04:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
No but I will look, thank you. Women exist as men and vice versa in each of us. But I don't buy that in the yin yang sense that one gender must have certain attributes. -SusanLesch (talk) 04:30, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
I might end up in jail for this you go. Secrets & Lies is a great, great film. Ceoil sláinte 04:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, proud to say I saw 43 seconds. This Web thing really works great. -SusanLesch (talk) 05:40, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

People at the meetup

The two you're mentioning said they were friends of someone who edits Wikipedia (I forgot to ask who); the gentleman said he occasionally edits, but his wife said she'd only edited once. They were just interested in seeing the meetup. I'm embarrassed because I can't remember their names... that's always been a fault of mine. It was good to see you, all the best. --Bobak (talk) 18:08, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

cite templates

Thanks for your note, Susan. Templates make my head spin, and I always recommend that people avoid using them . They were designed for newbies who'd never properly looked at or written a reference list, but soon spread like leprosy throughout the project—it's a pity, because they're uncoordinated subject to change at developers' whims, and I like to think that these things can be controlled at article level.

Have you thought of choosing "no preference" for your dates? I believe that all WPians should do that, since it allows them to see in display-mode the many inconsistencies and wrong global choices of date format in our articles—in effect, what our readers have been seeing. Tony (talk) 02:09, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I changed my preference to no preference. When WP:CITE can state what it is, I am more than happy to adopt a citation style. Since my second month here, in July 2006, I've been looking for agreement on how to cite articles. -SusanLesch (talk) 05:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

you deserve this

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you deserve this AristoLtd (talk) 04:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. I left a note on your talk page too. Best wishes. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Straw poll

The Main Page Redesign proposal is currently conducting a straw poll in selecting five proposals before an RFC in which it will be against the current main page. You're input would be appreciated. ChyranandChloe (talk) 04:08, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

OK, comments done. Thank you for letting me know. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:15, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


Good idea, I'm not only fine with it I actively approve. On another note someone who has been talking to me on my talk page and obviously saw you message wrote on your userpage here instead of your talk page. I didn't revert as I'm in conflict with him. Theresa Knott | token threats 07:10, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I care. Thats me but I don't think I will stay around. The concept of Wikipedia is great but citations seem arbitrary to say the least. Guess it depends who/what is your editor-in-chief. Peace,LOve & Chocolate!Oyebo (talk) 13:48, 30 October 2008 (UTC).
Theresa, again thank you! Oyebo, sorry I don't know your situation. Good luck resolving it. -SusanLesch (talk) 14:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Jack Dorsey

Updated DYK query On 10 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jack Dorsey, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

good subject! Victuallers (talk) 23:01, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Victuallers for choosing this. Best wishes. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:49, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


How is all with you these days. Ceoil sláinte 02:19, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey, your name sounds familiar! Could it be, a real person on Wikipedia? -SusanLesch (talk) 02:32, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Of course not. That was just a semi-automated "hows it going" template (to be read with a thick Irish brogue)! Ceoil sláinte 10:48, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
For the real names that do leak out, everybody gets to change their name when they turn 21 (Google says at 16:30). -SusanLesch (talk) 14:09, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Ha! Your real name wouldn't be Susan by the way? He he. Mine is Paul, which is no big secret. How do you do. Ceoil sláinte 14:23, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
He he is right! Applicants remember the old ones in case they want to work for Mr. Obama, who asks, "Please list all aliases or 'handles' you have used to communicate on the Internet." What I know about anonymity could be written on a toothpick. -SusanLesch (talk) 14:35, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Bankrate

Updated DYK query On 30 November, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bankrate, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 13:03, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK medal

Dyk25.svg The 25 DYK Medal
Took you a while, but you got there! Congratulations, Gatoclass (talk) 10:04, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

BTW, you really should add an entry to Wikipedia:DYKLIST, so that other people can check your stats! Gatoclass (talk) 10:04, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Some of us work on other things. But thank you! -SusanLesch (talk) 16:10, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


Hi SusanLesch, if you get the chance do you think you could take an objective look at Portal:Schools which is up for featured portal? I haven't received additional input from User:RichardF since August and the only other commentator supported in September. Many thanks, --Jh12 (talk) 18:08, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Good grief what a long wait. Comments sent. Good luck! -SusanLesch (talk) 18:39, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Katherine Nash

I wish I could help here, but my one book on the subject [6] doesn't mention her. If you can find a source that discusses the work specifically, it might help to do something like what I did with John Goodwin Lyman to save Image:Woman with a White Collar.jpg from deletion: Split off a separate section called "work", and in it discuss the qualities of the artwork itself, etc. Hope this helps... Petropoxy (Lithoderm Proxy) (talk) 16:27, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Greetings, Lithoderm. I can try that. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:35, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

FYI: Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 December 18#Image:Nash-Rain Pattern 3-1969.jpg. Ty 17:32, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Tyrenius, thanks a lot to you and Modernist for your help. After PhilKnight said the page looked okay to him, it feels like an admin is hiding behind another admin. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:19, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

RE: Barnstar

Thanks! SpencerT♦C 15:56, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Invitation to Minnesota Voices Online community/Unconference to MN Wikipedians


I'd like to invite active Wikipedians in Minnesota to join the Minnesota Voices Online community of practice: An "unconference" is in the works and we'd like have some of the more active contributors of Wikipedia who live in Minnesota (particularly Greater Minnesota) join us.

I see that you are a bit of a community organizer among Wikipedians in Minnesota and I was wondering if we could tall in the near future. My goal is to identify ten or so Minnesotans (with a nmuber of Greater/rural MN) who are active on Wikipedia.

Cheers, Steven Clift E-Democracy.Org - or —Preceding unsigned comment added by Netclift (talkcontribs) 14:02, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Greetings, Netclift. Sure you can send me an email if you like. I am relatively new to this place (joined in May 2006). You might want to ask User:Jonathunder, who has been around longer, as has User:Elkman. I see you posted to WikiProject:Minnesota which seems like the right place to ask. -SusanLesch (talk) 06:19, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Lisa del Giocondo

Dear SusanLesch, you have been a major contributor to the Lisa del Giocondo page. In the revision history I saw that you redirected Lisa Gherardini to Lisa del Giocondo on 10 October 2007. As a reason for that you stated "expert says her name changed at marriage". I wonder who that expert was and what contemporary source he can show to support his claim. I could not find any source to that effect. On the contrary, I can provide dozens of examples that women in the early 16th century did not change their surnames when they became married. This issue means that the page should be renamed or relocated to Lisa Gherardini. There may also be some other consequences. HollyML14 (talk) 07:26, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Greetings, HollyML14. Have you looked for a source under "Bibliography"? For contemporary sources, nothing so far beats this margin note? I'll be interested to read your examples. -SusanLesch (talk) 09:50, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Dear SusanLesch, I read Pallanti, Zöllner and Sassoon. Pallanti did archival work and collected information without much interpretation. Very good. Zöllner collected some information and does a lot of interpretation. Not so good. On Lisa Gherardini, Sassoon repeats what Zöllner has written. Nothing new there. On the issue of name change there is no information to be found in all of the above. Zöllner implies that Lisa Gherardini is equivalent to Lisa del Giocondo, but he does not provide any source. I think he simply believes. He must provide proof for his assumptions. It is neither my nor anybody else's job to prove him wrong, he simply is wrong if there is evidence to the contrary. And there is. Here is a list of women from the late 15th, early 16th centuries. They were all born, lived and died with their fathers' surnames, no change of name when they became married:
Lucrezia Tornabuoni, wife of Piero de' Medici
Clarice Orsini, wife of Lorenzo "il Magnifico" de' Medici
Alfonsina Orsini, wife of Piero II. de' Medici
Laudomia Acciaioli, wife of Pierfrancesco "the Elder" de' Medici
Elsbeth Binsenstock, wife of Hans Holbein the Younger
Katharina von Bora, wife of Martin Luther
Argula von Stauff, wife of Friedrich von Grumbach
Agnes Frey, wife of Albrecht Dürer the Younger
Barbara Holper, wife of Albrecht Dürer the Elder
and so on ....
And it also applies to Lisa Gherardini, wife of Francesco del Giocondo!
The practice of name change became slowly established in the second half of the 16th century, and only in protestant countries.
Pallanti finds two Lisas, one Lisa Gherardini, wife of Francesco del Giocondo and one Lisa del Giocondo, sister of this Francesco. Hence a contemporary source referring to "Lisa del Giocondo" means exactly that: Lisa del Giocondo and not Lisa Gherardini. That's why I believe that the titel of this page is wrong.
Ah, yes, Vespucci's margin note: That's overrated. It basically says that Leonardo was working on a painting of Lisa del Giocondo (not Gherardini) without any description of the painting. It could be any painting of a woman! It's far from solving Mona Lisa "once and for all". Even the Louvre puts it in perspective. Read this Interview with Vincent Delieuvin. HollyML14 (talk) 10:19, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I found Sassoon to be fresh research rather than a copy of Zöllner. I am not opposed to moving the article, but first would you double check with Prof. Dr. Frank Zöllner? He is after all one of the eight people listed under Documentation at the Louvre and the author of, Leonardo's Portrait of Mona Lisa del Giocondo. That is also the title of the work in Pallanti (Plate I: Portrait of Mona Lisa del Giocondo). Vincent Delieuvin also mentions "Florentinerin Lisa del Giocondo." -03:47, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Dear SusanLesch, when I referred to Sassoon as "nothing new there" I meant the Gherardini/del Giocondo part, not the rest. Vincent Delieuvin's mentions Lisa del Giocondo because that is what the margin note says. That cannot be denied. However, he also says that there is no certainty that it refers to the Louvre's Mona Lisa, because "there is no description of the painting" and that Leonardo "had been working on several other female portraits at that time".
Frank Zöllner calls her Lisa del Giocondo, Pallanti calls her Lisa Gherardini, except for Plate I that you mentioned, Delieuvin speaks about Lisa del Giocondo, however, on the Louvre's website she is called Lisa Gherardini, wife of Francesco Giocondo. This is very confusing, especially when you consider the fact, that women did not change their surname when they became married as I mentioned before. Have the art-historians overlooked this detail? What do you think? I shall also contact Frank Zöllner and ask him. HollyML14 (talk) 10:13, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I think it is possible that art historians overlooked it but that it is unlikely at this level of expertise. If you get your reply, please email me a copy, and we can move the article. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:08, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Dear SusanLesch, I contacted Frank Zoellner. He does not see any problems in calling Lisa Gherardini Lisa del Giocondo. However, he did not provide any evidence for his assumption. He suggested to contact an historian in the matter of name change, which I have already done. I am awaiting a response. HollyML14 (talk) 07:34, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Alan Kotok

Hi, I am reviewing your article, Alan Kotok, for GA and have made some initial comments at Talk:Alan Kotok/GA1. The article is very interesting and informative, but it needs work in organization and prose style. Please feel free to contact me with questions or comments. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 22:28, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Mattisse, thank you for taking the time to review. I can make some suggested changes in the next day or two. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:52, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
  • I suspect that you have included mention of the relevant information in the Alan Kotok article The problem is that the material is not rounded out. I have looked for some similar articles so that you could see by example what I mean. The best I could find was the following: Stuart Milner-Barry, Ronald Fedkiw, Otto Julius Zobel. These articles are not quite on the same subject, but they can give you an idea of what a full fledged GA article should look like. —Mattisse (Talk) 20:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


SusanLesh! Thank You for your assistance with WikiProject Malware! To better serve Wikipedia, this project has been closed. We thank you for all of your hard work, and we would like to invite you to our new Wikiproject at WikiProject Computer Security. We hope to see you soon! Sephiroth storm (talk) 08:36, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

File:Alan Photo.jpeg

At my home I wasn't able to click through to the original (404 error) - tried it from work tonight & it went through OK. That's the only reason that it was tagged at all. Skier Dude (talk) 04:14, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Jeffrey Zients

Updated DYK query On April 30, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jeffrey Zients, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 18:39, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Video screenshot

Hello, Stifle. This video is actually mentioned twice in the article Steve Foley. Any reason you want it deleted? If not I think we can remove all the deletion tags. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:01, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

I assume you are referring to File:Replacements-When It Began-video.jpg. Please note that images of a music video are only supposed to be used in the article about that video. In most other cases, including showing what a person looks like, they will be replaceable by an alternative free image. Feel free to explain on the image page above the deletion notice why you feel the image should not be deleted, and an administrator will review it in a day or two and make a decision. Stifle (talk) 13:11, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


I added Alan's name to List of Massachusetts Institute of Technology alumni, and just guessed that his S.B. and S.M. were both awarded in 1962. If you have a correction to that, please go ahead. PhGustaf (talk) 17:15, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Good work. Better late than never. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:59, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

ITN for Mauricio Funes

Current events globe On 2 June, 2009, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article Mauricio Funes, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the In the news candidates page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 03:19, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


I was wondering why you reintroduced the sentence about Twitter being "akin to an IRC client" to the Twitter article. It doesn't particularly add to the article, and isn't a noticeable comparison. It's also an opinion, placed right at the start of a technical, factual section. I can maybe see it staying in the article, but I wouldn't say it belongs there. Anyhow, I'd love to hear your side - sometimes I miss the blindingly obvious arguments! Greg Tyler (tc) 17:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Because that's what Twitter is. Also if you would please address comments on the article talk page that would be nice. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:17, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


It would be a lot better if you did a self-revert. If a change is not agreed it should be discussed on the talk page, to simply revert before there is a consensus there is edit warring. --Snowded TALK 19:43, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Done--removed from the lead. Thanks for the idea. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
No one likes an edit war! I think there is a strong case for increasing the content here in the legacy section, where a sub-section on women would make sense. --Snowded TALK 19:59, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
It might make sense there too. But its origin is in Generation of Animals and the Great Chain of Being which is, from what little I know, Aristotle's biology. I choose to leave it where it is. -SusanLesch (talk) 20:06, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

TCF Bank Stadium GA Sweeps: On Hold

I have reviewed TCF Bank Stadium for GA Sweeps to determine if it still qualifies as a Good Article. In reviewing the article I have found several issues, which I have detailed here. Since you are a main contributor of the article (determined based on this tool), I figured you would be interested in contributing to further improve the article. Please comment there to help the article maintain its GA status. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talkcontrib) 02:38, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

ITN for Greenland

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--BorgQueen (talk) 05:30, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

War in Somalia (2009–)

Hi, thanks for the update but I don't see the words "state of emergency" in the article. Can you mention it somewhere? Thanks again. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:47, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Done. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:00, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

ITN for War in Somalia (2009–)

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--BorgQueen (talk) 18:23, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Heat treatment?

Is it a rumour about you and Graham Parker? Fond memories! But I digress, just thought you might find this essay of interest. . . dave souza, talk 12:29, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I've never met him. I read Carp Fishing on Valium and can see he's a good writer. What a depressing essay! I'm still reading Hubbard's book. Your standard of entry on Darwin is so high! -SusanLesch (talk) 16:49, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

ITN for Al Franken

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--BorgQueen (talk) 05:05, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


um I am on a public comp and the edits you reference before are from April that's a long time ago... (talk) 05:32, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

The edit I was worried about is labeled July 2009. -SusanLesch (talk) 05:40, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

ITN for Javier Velásquez

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--BorgQueen (talk) 03:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


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Congratulations for all the contributions you make, thank you and keep up the good work. South Bay (talk) 04:49, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

ITN for Jupiter 2009 impact event

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--BorgQueen (talk) 04:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK National Day of Hate

Hi. sorry I was away from the internet for a few days. regarding your query on the Day of Hatred, 1983 referred to the year when the decision to commemorate the event was taken, 1984 was the first year celebrations were held. The DYK hook could have worked with both dates. Thank you for reviewing the nomination. --Soman (talk) 09:41, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Ian Chesterman

Fixed. Thanks YellowMonkey (cricket photo poll!) paid editing=POV 04:30, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Clémence Royer

Was just wondering if you'd be interested in taking a look at Clémence Royer, she seems an interesting subject who had problems with the treatment of women in the 19th century. The article looks good, but is perhaps a bit focussed on her translation of Darwin's Origin of Species and could do with more about other aspects. Also, many thanks for your support of Fertilisation of Orchids at FAC, things are looking good. . . dave souza, talk 12:06, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Sure I can look at it but have no familiarity with the subject. The article looks very well referenced. I am booked up a little for Antoinette Blackwell's book which should be here this week and might help explain what she did (review evolutionary theory four years after it was published). Would it help if I said I did meet Martin Belmont? They were true gentlemen when they played Minneapolis with Nick Lowe (they were there before to play with Parker). Also met the bass player but I"ve forgotten his name. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, every new bit helps. Only heard of her because of the Origin of Species connection, oddly enough from that viewpoint her experiences are a little bit like those of George Eliot who was part of the British radical evolutionary circle before Darwin revealed his theory. I'm impressed by these people you've met, being ancient the only reason I've heard about Graham Parker was that he played a town where my wife and I were living in the 1970s, and while the punk scene seemed to largely be a somehwhat out of tune re-run of the mid 60s, the Rumour were impressive. But I digress. Haven't met many famous musicians myself. . dave souza, talk 17:31, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Everyone is famous for fifteen minutes according to Warhol. And looking at the social media revolution he was right. I liked it better when we had experts. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:00, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Milkbreath's hook

Hi. I went to the DYK page and waited for you, but you never showed. Care to be a little more specific about what "work" is needed? --Milkbreath (talk) 20:26, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I "never showed"? Nonsense. I will reply on your talk page. -SusanLesch (talk) 20:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah. That wasn't me, that was Strikehold (talk). I too have a DYK up there, but from July 29, hence my confusion: Template_talk:Did_you_know#Articles_created.2Fexpanded_on_July_29, FBI Honorary Medals. --Milkbreath (talk) 20:59, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh boy. Sorry I need my eyes examined. -SusanLesch (talk) 21:04, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
No prob. Done the same sort of thing myself on occasion, and in real life, to boot. By the way, I've got to tell you, wow, you do "pissy" even better than I do. I admire that. --Milkbreath (talk) 21:16, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Well for two days now I've been verifying other people's hooks and you know what, nobody verified mine. They will hold you up and off the main page for a comment when they are this busy. Again, sorry. -SusanLesch (talk)

(undent) I went ahead and gave your McNutt hook a good-to-go. I hope I was qualified to do that. --Milkbreath (talk) 22:59, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh I didn't mean to ask you to do that but it will take a load off my mind. Thank you! -SusanLesch (talk) 23:04, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

DKY Shaarey Zedek

DYK for SO war

Hi Susan, I noticed that you are quite active in the preparation of the DYK. I am actively working on User:Russavia/Russia-SO, which will be a 5-fold expansion of Russia–South Ossetia relations. As the one year anniversary is on 8 August, is there any chance if I get cracking on the expansion in the next 24-48 hours, that it may appear on the 1 year anniversary on 8 August? Cheers, --Russavia Dialogue 15:05, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Frankly when they are this busy anybody is lucky if they choose your article. I am only in the queue and helping because of their backlog header. If you can predict which queue on which day in advance I can try to add it there. I think the queues are six hours each and there are six queues and two prep areas but am not sure. So you see it's very difficult to predict. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:59, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
It's possible to request a certain date by adding a section to the Special Occasion Holding area at the bottom of the noms page. However, August 8 is very close, and with the backlog, it's unlikely we'll get around to reviewing it by then. (Oh, and the master queue page shows when each set will appear on the Main Page.) Shubinator (talk) 01:03, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
I have expanded the article at Russia–South Ossetia relations, and the DYK nom is available at Template_talk:Did_you_know#Articles_created.2Fexpanded_on_August_5. If there is anyway it would be good, but I will take advise of Shubinator and add a section to the DYK nom page at the bottom. --Russavia Dialogue 10:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. Unfortunately I can't help get in the queue which requires an adminstrator. Also pro-Russia bias was raised on the DYK page. I can't help you with that either. -SusanLesch (talk) 20:27, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Dyk for AB Salem

On Template_talk:Did_you_know#Abraham_Barak_Salem I believe you made a mistake on the date of creation. On the page history, it clearly shows that I moved the article from userspace to articlespace on 23:16, 30 July 2009. It meets DYK requirements.Pectoretalk 17:46, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi Pectore. I would be happy to be wrong. I count 3880 characters needed from the 776 characters that existed in September 2008. I will try to explain on the DYK suggestions page. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:05, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for the prompt reply and for helping keep the DYK process efficient.Pectoretalk 18:12, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Status of First Nations treaties in British Columbia

Hello. Your DYK suggestion for Status of First Nations treaties in British Columbia looks great but I had a question on the DYK page. Thanks. -SusanLesch (talk) 21:10, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Attempted to address your concerns on the DYK page. -- Esemono (talk) 23:31, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to Did you know...

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Hello! I noticed that you've been reviewing a lot of nominations at the DYK suggestions page. Thank you for your help, and I hope you will continue to contribute! As you know, you don't need to be an administrator to review hooks or to move hooks to Preparation area, so your help is more than welcome.

You may already be familiar with the DYK rules by now, but in case you aren't, you can check out the official rules and the Additional Rules. You may also want to look into some useful tools that can allow you to review nominations more quickly: the Cut & Paste character counter is a helpful JavaScript to calculate the length of hooks, and DYKcheck is a script you can install on your own Wikipedia account for more heavy-duty verifying.

The best way to learn is by doing, but here is also a quick reference of the things to check for each hook you review:

Thanks again for your help! I look forward to continuing to work with you at DYK, and if you have any questions don't hesitate to ask me or anyone else at DYK. Now get to reviewing some noms! Shubinator (talk) 00:58, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Marcia McNutt

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DYK question: Terry O'Neill (feminist)

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Greetings, King of Hearts. I replied on the DYK page. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:13, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Harvard citation templates

Hi, Susan, the problem seems to be that you were using both the publication date (or year) and the original publication year: I'd not done that before, but Template:Cite book gives useful information on how to show original publication dates with a |origyear= parameter, adding "first published" or "composed". It's all a bit of a maze, but I've found it handy to keep a link to Wikipedia:Citation templates which gives the basic options: Template:Harvard citation gives more detail on using Harvard templates. Until recently you had to use Template:Citation to get the link from the Harvard ref. down to the book name, but the "cite book" etc. templates now do the same: the general rule is to follow the system already used on the page. To get it to work I've now omitted the original publication year from the Harvard references: as far as I can see that's the preferred option, but there doesn't seem to be anything specific in these linked pages or in Wikipedia:Citing sources. If you wanted to do it the other way round, guess you could use the |edition= parameter: not sure if that's legitimate! Anyway, hope that helps, I've replied here so that you have the links to hand. . dave souza, talk 08:34, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Paul Krugman edit-warring

"Time to calm down," you write in a recent comment on the Talk page. I'd like to.

Unfortunately, we've got a "contributor" (Vision Thing) who

Not just at the PK article either; a survey of two months of recent user contributions from him reveals that wholesale deletion is a major element of his modus operandi.
  • has been engaging in fairly clear-cut plagiarism
Go to the PK talk page and search on "plagiarism", several times -- I've pointed out several violations, one of them only in the Talk page, and possibly just a slip, but several others in actual article text elsewhere -- and these 4-5 cases are only in the last 7 weeks of an editor who has been very active since spring 2006.
  • has made claims (on the talk page) that PK holds views "far" from the mainstream
This is pretty rich, coming from a self-described anarcho-capitalist like Vision Thing; but the material point here is that Vision Thing seems unable to provide any real substance for those claims. It just seems obstructive.

At the same time, he and other editors are, I believe, over-interpreting RS policy so as to rule out quite a lot in the way balanced discussion of PK's many notable controversies.

It's really hard trying to improve the article under these circumstances. Yakushima (talk) 07:16, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

User:Vision Thing plagiarism details

P.S. One of the editors removed my comments on the Talk page, saying they weren't improving the article. Here they are for your review:

Title of deleted section: One of our Wiki-Cops here seems to be a serial plagiarist

In addition to the plagiarisms of VT I've already noted above: yet more plagiarism from Vision Thing. In this edit [7] from VT, we see, unquoted

Italian fascism involved a corporatist political system in which economy was collectively managed by employers, workers and state officials by formal mechanisms at national level

where the source cited by VT runs:

There are also many forms of corporatism but in general terms it refers to the collective management of the economy by employers, workers' representatives and state officials by formal mechanisms at national level.

and similarly, later on (p. 270) in a definition of "corporatism".

But wait, it gets better (I mean worse.) There's what one (apparently non-Croatian) anarcho-capitalist blogger seems to have written himself in 2008 [8]:

Some anarcho-capitalists, such as Rothbard, accept the nonaggression axiom on an intrinsic moral or natural law basis. [...] Alternatively, others, such as Friedman, take a consequentialist or egoist approach; rather than maintaining that aggression is intrinsically immoral, they maintain that a law against aggression can only come about by contract between self-interested parties who agree to refrain from initiating coercion against each other.

and these words appear almost verbatim in an edit 2009 [9], unattributed by self-identified Croatian Vision Thing (apart from an opaque comment on the edit about "NAP from AC article", where Wikipedia readers wouldn't see it):

Some anarcho-capitalists, such as Rothbard, accept the nonaggression principle on a natural law basis. Others, such as Friedman, take a consequentialist or egoist approach, they maintain that a law against aggression can only come about by contract between self-interested parties who agree to refrain from initiating coercion against each other.

Think it can't get any worse? Sorry: there's this [10] part of paragraph from Vision Thing:

Marx held that society could not be transformed from the capitalist mode of production to the communist mode of production all at once, but required a state transitional period which Marx described as the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat. The communist society Marx envisioned emerging from capitalism has never been implemented, and it remains theoretical. However, the term "Communism", especially when the word is capitalized, is often used to refer to the political and economic nations under communist parties which claimed to be the dictatorship of the proletariat.

which was apparently lifted verbatim from a book, Communism for Know-It-Alls [11]. In that same edit by Vision Thing, he lifts, verbatim, without attribution, the following

After the success of the Red October Revolution in Russia, many socialist parties in other countries became communist parties, owing allegiance of varying degrees to the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (see Communist International).

That appears in two books by Alan Isaacs [12], one of them published in 1985.

Well, I'm finding yet more instances of plagiarism, but isn't this enough for you? I'm hardly back to the end of May 2009, and Vision Thing has been editing since spring 2006. How did people miss these violations for so long? It wasn't even hard to find any of these rip-offs: you either check Vision Thing's cited source for comparison, or -- where the writing seems particularly well-crafted for someone who writes rather poorly on talk pages and in edit summaries -- just search on the Web (but especially Google Books).

We've had a serial WP:PRESERVE violator lecturing us about Wikipedia policy, and for months (if not years, who knows?) he's been plagiarizing wildly. With a streak like this in 2-1/2 months, somebody's going to have to review ALL of his edits to make sure he hasn't put Wikipedia into serious copyright violation. And that could take a long time, because he's made quite a career of editing Wikipedia.

Not only does Vision Thing have no place in the discussion or editing of this particular BLP. Vision Thing has no business being on Wikipedia at all. My AGF only goes so far, and it doesn't include people who lecture others for not supplying (actually unnecessary) page numbers in otherwise excellent citations, deleting their entire contributions because of that supposed error, but who somehow don't know what constitutes plagiarism. Yakushima (talk) 09:38, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Vision Thing's Plagiarisms: Excelsior!

Yet more in this [13] Vision Thing edit:

To avoid the influence of National Socialists in his Austrian homeland, in 1934 Mises left for Geneva (Switzerland), where he was a professor at the Graduate Institute of International Studies until 1940. In 1940 he emigrated to New York City. He was a visiting professor at New York University from 1945 until he retired in 1969.

That's taken almost (see below) verbatim from von Mises' biography at a Libertarian online economics encyclopedia. [14]. What?! Extreme libertarians violating the intellectual property rights of more moderate ones?! But of course! Copyright would have to be defended by governments, and government is what anarcho-capitalists want to get rid of!

This rip-off is doubly interesting in how it initially ducks back down into mere, cowardly paraphrase: it's further evidence of Vision Thing's project of replacing "Nazi" with "National Socialist", wherever possible. The plagiarized source comfortably uses "Nazi":

To avoid the Nazi influence in his Austrian homeland, in 1934 Mises left for Geneva ....

Ostensibly, this elaboration is necessary because, VT says in an edit summary elsewhere, "Nazi" is "pejorative". VT doesn't think Wikipedia should be hurting the feelings of any Nazis. Well, shouldn't VT be concerned? I mean, it's been over 60 years now, but Nazis still can't catch a break. Yakushima (talk) 12:32, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

It may be relevant to note that Vision thing has been a long term problematic editor. It was suspected that he is the reincarnation of a previously banned editor. [15] There was a case brought against him in 2007 [16]. Since then, a favorite tactic has been to troll pages, baiting editors he disagrees with into breaking 3RR, and then reporting them. If you review the editors he has reported for 3RR, almost all of them are long term, level headed editors with many positive contributions to Wikipedia. Whereas, almost all of Vision thing's edits have been POV pushing, not encyclopedia building. I am tempted to start a case, but I am loathe to put in the time necessary. LK (talk) 05:27, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
It appears that Checkuser has been run unsuccessfully against Vision Thing for User:RJII (twice) and User:Hogeye. User:Introman was recently blocked as a suspected sock of RJII. I think VT may be a sock of the User:Irgendwer, but it is too late to run a Checkuser. Incredibly all three (and VT) were active editors on Anarcho-capitalism. The Four Deuces (talk) 22:31, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


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DYK for Terry O'Neill (feminist)

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King of ♠ 05:07, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

ITN for Baitullah Mehsud

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With these things it doesn't have to be an admin who gives them out. Its just that normally because an admin is doing the posting they will this as well. If there was anyone else who contributed to updating the articles you can pass it on. Cheers :) --Daviessimo (talk) 19:27, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah, it has been given. I noticed your request and came over here to check. Well done anyway! :D --candlewicke 19:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
ahh i was looking for the update template (forgot the name). finally found it and came here to see u already got the credit :) -- Ashish-g55 19:41, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
OK, someone is at work on ITN. Glad to hear it! :-) -SusanLesch (talk) 19:52, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


Hi. I was digging around the 'pedia, and I happened upon your first RFA. I see you have done some solid work since then, and was wondering if you might accept my nomination, if you are still interested in becoming an admin? ArcAngel (talk) 21:20, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Greetings, ArcAngel. Thanks a lot for the offer. I think now's probably not the time. Maybe next year. -SusanLesch (talk) 02:35, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
Ok, not a problem. ArcAngel (talk) 02:54, 2 September 2009 (UTC)


Our paths have not crossed in a while, so I'm just dropping by briefly to say "Hi!" CJLippert (talk) 23:05, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi. If I remember you right, you drove a terribly long way to the meetup two years ago. And I recall walking along the Mississippi, begging to know if we had some Native American words right. You thought we did. Today I read about the Crazy Horse monument in South Dakota. The author felt guilty for Mount Rushmore. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:48, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Minnesota Meetup

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Proposed date: Saturday, October 10.
Details under discussion.
Please share this with anyone who may be interested.

Delivered by Jonathunder (talk) 16:25, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Hello. I would love it if you can make it again this year. Jonathunder (talk) 16:25, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Close paraphrasing, Maria L. de Hernández

Hi. I see that Corensearchbot picked up similarities between your new article Maria L. de Hernández and the copyrighted website [17]. Comparison suggests that there is creative content in the article incorporated verbatim without indication of such as required by policy & guideline at WP:NFC. For example, "she made hundreds of speeches on behalf of the Mexican community", added after the Corensearchbot tag was removed, is found verbatim at the source. "In 1932, Hernández became San Antonio's first Mexican female radio announcer" differs by one word from the source: "In 1932 María Hernández became San Antonio's first Mexican female radio announcer." "The family moved to San Antonio in 1918 where they began political activities in 1924" differs only superficially from the source's "The family moved to San Antonio in 1918 and began political activities in 1924." I believe that this material needs to be revised further to separate it from its source in order to avoid its being derivative of the Texas State Historical Association material. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:28, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Moonriddengirl. Can't have that. I removed most of the bio. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:06, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Perhaps at some point it can be rewritten in original language. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:07, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Sure. There are only so many ways to say something. A couple sources were added. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:27, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

ITN for Red Book (Jung)

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For this edit, is 25 o'clock a typo, or does it occur on October 32? Art LaPella (talk) 01:13, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Template cite audio uses some weird fields, among them:
"time: Roughly what time, if accessible, a scene occurs within a production. Useful for citing specific scenes, quotations or data."

So it means twenty-five minutes into the clip that the speaker says the book was #3. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:54, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Vivek Kundra

Hi, I am writing because you were recently involved in the discussions about Vivek Kundra's arrest. I argued that publishing accurate information about the arrest that appeared in the public record is protected by US law, and I feel I documented that rather thoroughly by citing relevant case history. You were the only other person who was not hostile to the idea of publishing the information, but then you dropped out of the discussion when somebody threatened libel. Maybe the timing was just a coincidence, but I wanted to ask you why you stopped commenting on the discussion. Do you now think that including the arrest is illegal, or do you think the incident is not notable and relevant? Or maybe you just did not like the tone of the discussion? If it is because you think it is not legal, I would like to hear your argument. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:10, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for asking. I think that the information belongs in the article. I am tired of battling with a few very motivated people who will not allow it. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:48, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
I can relate to that! The time I put into research and discussion of the issue sure does not feel very rewarding. (talk) 21:47, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing the ref in the CIO paragraph. I didn't notice that the ref also covered the previous sentence. Rees11 (talk) 02:02, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
You're welcome. Good luck to you (I can't tolerate those shenanigans anymore :). -SusanLesch (talk) 02:35, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case

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You have been accused of sockpuppetry. Please refer to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SusanLesch for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with notes for the suspect before editing the evidence page. -- 7oceans (talk) 17:41, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

I am not a sockpuppet. I expect this is retribution for editing Vivek Kundra. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:46, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Most likely correct, yes. I figured this needed to be decisively dealt with, and quickly. All of the accounts are  Unrelated to each other, so that settles that! Best - Alison 18:50, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Thank you Alison. I can go back to quitting smoking now in peace. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:06, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your recent changes!

Thanks for your recent edits!! - There should be more people in the world who do something constructive like this. (talk) 02:09, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Let me guess. You're talking about Omega-3_fatty_acid#Health_risks? -SusanLesch (talk) 02:13, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

ITN for Internationalized domain name

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DYK for Whole Earth Discipline

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Materialscientist (talk) 23:15, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


Hi there. It seemed to me that the information on tonight's health care vote more logically belonged under an entry that detailed similar, across-party-line votes, rather than creating an entirely distinct subheading on a topic for which we had only one sentence. I'm wondering how that better serves the reader, especially when considering the fact that we're trying to present an encyclopedic picture, as opposed to a breaking-news account. — Bdb484 (talk) 05:39, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I don't follow Cao, only took an interest in making the article accessible. I thought that "condensing references" in your edit summary meant that, but instead found (the first time) a truncated table of contents. I think for now, Mr. Cao is in breaking news and the reader is better served by having health care in that table. -SusanLesch (talk) 06:10, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

ITN for 2009 El Salvador floods and mudslides

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Ali Forney DTK nomination

Hello SusanLesch, First I would like to that yoiu for helping to review nominations to DYK. I have a question about the approval of the nomination of Ali Forney. The fact for the hook is not cited at the end of the sentence containing the hook as per rules. This allows readers the ability to verify the information quickly and read more if wished from the included source. It also help if an editor or reader disputes the hook while on the main page. Just a little reminder on a sometimes sticky rule. Thanks again in advance. Kindly Calmer Waters 00:53, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Also the source said USD$40 to 60 so it was a borderline innaccurate hook. Thank you for catching it. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:04, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Does the new hook look okay? I can move it to a prep area if so. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:48, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Just wanted to stop by and say thank you for your help and understanding. You are a pleasure to work and collaborate with. I think it should be good to go. I like the way you reworded it. :-) Thanks again. Kindly Calmer Waters 01:55, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Ali Forney etc

Sorry about the mix-up. I returned the Ali Forney hook to prep #1 as there were too many bio hooks in the update. Somebody then decided to return the hook from prep to the suggestions page for reasons unknown.

In regards to the update itself, first of all, thanks for chipping in to help us out! However, it looks as if you need to read our Rules of thumb for preparing updates. Specifically, there shouldn't be more than four bio hooks in a queue, and hooks on the same or similar topics should not be placed adjacent to one another. Hope that helps, Gatoclass (talk) 05:08, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

BTW, I should add - in case there was a misunderstanding - that when I referred to "some awful hooks" in that update, I was not referring to the Forney hook! I guess it might have looked that way because I pulled it back to the queue at the same time I made the comment, but in fact I was thinking of one or two of the others. Gatoclass (talk) 05:30, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for explaining. I realized the rules of thumb and went through the set pretty carefully. That's just what happened when I cleared out the backlog--we had five days expired at the time and I added the oldest two days. Sorry for the Vietnamese and biography centric update. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:09, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
No probs. But in future, don't worry about clearing out the oldest hooks - they will all get used eventually. Just take the most appropriate hooks from wherever they are on the Suggestions page, because the most important thing is to have a nice balanced update. Gatoclass (talk) 08:01, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Righto. We're back up to four days behind now. And yes I agree 100% about "the most important thing". -SusanLesch (talk) 09:52, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of The Sexes Throughout Nature

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of The Sexes Throughout Nature at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Sorry to resurrect this after it was supposedly approved, but I had some concerns about it... Orlady (talk) 05:19, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi, Orlady. Answered in DYK. Do we get our Ph.D.s now? :-) -SusanLesch (talk) 05:38, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
I think we're done for now. I moved it to prep area 1. But there's plenty of potential for article-building remaining at Ruth Hubbard! --Orlady (talk) 21:33, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

DYK for The Sexes Throughout Nature

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Orlady (talk) 02:56, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of T. B. Walker

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of T. B. Walker at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Calmer Waters 06:48, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your trouble with this. I hope my reply at DYK will explain. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

DYK for T. B. Walker

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Materialscientist (talk) 18:00, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

FA Help

Hi, would you be able to help me with the history section of Davenport, Iowa? A reviewer from the last FAC said it needs a good copyedit and has a "factoid" effect. Thank you, CTJF83 chat 05:28, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Greetings, Ctjf83. I am booked until next week and am not a very good writer. I can try to take a look on Monday or Tuesday. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:48, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Ok, that would be much appreciated, thank you. CTJF83 chat 18:49, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for your help, do you have other suggestions on who would be good to help me out? CTJF83 chat 01:54, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Where did you get my name may I ask? You could ask in WikiProject Cities. -SusanLesch (talk) 02:43, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Minneapolis FAC CTJF83 chat 02:51, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

ITN for Google Book Search

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Seasons Greetings

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Seasons Greeting.--yousaf465' 03:59, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

ITN for Hijra (South Asia)

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ITN for Northwest Airlines Flight 253

Not sure why you weren't notified already, as you were a major contributor. Good work though :)  fetchcomms 22:32, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Nice of you, thanks. You did a great job! -SusanLesch (talk) 22:35, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

ITN for Wuhan–Guangzhou High-Speed Railway

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I, HJ Mitchell award this to SusanLesch for doing such a good job of getting Wuhan–Guangzhou High-Speed Railway ready for ITN, for taking my criticism and using it to improve the article and for her constantly useful comments on ITN/C HJMitchell You rang? 12:15, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Wow! ITN is quite a team. Python eggs knows everything about the railway. Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:37, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

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Feedback request: Territorial era of Minnesota


I noticed you have been involved in Minnesota-related FA articles and was wondering if you might have a little free time to offer advice. Please do not feel obligated.

A little while ago I created Territorial era of Minnesota and it has gone through a peer review. I was thinking of putting it up for GA but I already have a couple of articles in queue there and the backlog is extremely long. I have heard some editors have been skipping GA and going straight for FA (something I have never done before). I was interested in some unbiased advice as to whether trying to do that with this article might be do-able. Mind you, I'm not asking for a thorough review, just a perspective on whether, at a glance, the article looks like it might be close enough to make it worth trying, perhaps with some copyediting from some other editors.


--Mcorazao (talk) 22:37, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Greetings, Mcorazao. Great work! Sounds like your wife is correct, too. I don't know the GA queue but once you have submitted the article there then sure why not go for FA. Good luck. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:18, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Jeannette Piccard

I did not give any notice on this particular article, because I found the problems to be too serious. If you are interested in revising it without going through GAR, however, I can deal with it directly. Lampman (talk) 06:34, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

OK. I will reply on your talk page. -SusanLesch (talk) 06:41, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
I have now done a GA review, please have a look when you have the time. Lampman (talk) 15:34, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

A suggestion

There's a lot of work still needed to get this up to a credible FAC nomination, but I think it could now get its GA listing back if Lampman's points were addressed in short order. That would take some of the pressure off for a more leisurely approach to FAC. --Malleus Fatuorum 21:38, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

You may find leads easy to write, in which case feel free to ignore this offer, but if not, would you like me to have a go at expanding this one? --Malleus Fatuorum 22:26, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Malleus Fatuorum, first off, thank you! Man I didn't expect so much help on some random article. Sure if you want to do the lead please go ahead. I like your suggestion, too. -SusanLesch (talk) 22:29, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
OK. Let me know when you think you're done with Lampman's suggestions and I'll expand the lead. Let's get this GA listing back asap. --Malleus Fatuorum 22:44, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I've upped the lead a bit and I think the article's fine now. Perhaps time to ask Lampman to take another look and see what he thinks? --Malleus Fatuorum 13:35, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I left him or her a message a couple days ago. If I don't hear back today I will ask again. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:06, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Sorry about the delay. I looked at it and it seems fine now, just a couple of minor things. Please have a look. Lampman (talk) 14:56, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
I've dealt with those two issues, so everything should be cool now hopefully. --Malleus Fatuorum 15:34, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Music of Minnesota

Susan-- you have made excellent progress here, and against some very strong initial headwinds. Congratulations.

I have no special knowledge of the subject and am less active now, but a couple of thoughts come to mind:

  • The Minnesota Orchestra, in its prior incarnation as the Minneapolis Symphony, had a an international reputation in the 30's under Eugene Ormandy. (That was one of the reasons the orchestra's name change was so controversial-- folks saw no need to surrender name identification created by its old reputation.) Its stature has risen in recent years, and NYTimes has a number of articles on its recordings and well-received recent European tour.
  • The St. Paul Chamber Orchestra at some point (under Davies?), was referred to as the best small orchestra in the world, or words to that effect. Google is little help here, unfortunately; the only source I found was a blog.
  • Although it comes no longer, the Metropolitan Opera came to Northrup for years as part of its national tour. I can't remember when that ended, but it did contribute to interest in opera in the state.
  • Choral music could be mentioned; perhaps Philip Brunelle, the Bach Society, and the excellent program at St. Olaf College.

It would be nice to get a music specialist to make suggestions here, but I cannot think of a candidate we could enlist in that.

Regards, Kablammo (talk) 15:07, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Susan: I have found some stuff on the Minnesota Orchestra; will add soon. Kablammo (talk) 15:08, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Hi, Kablammo. Glad you're thinking about this. I added one sentence about each of the items in your list except St. Olaf (I will look for a source for their choir). And the St. Paul Chamber Orchestra. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:57, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Something added for St. Olaf. So the only one left is to augment the St. Paul Chamber Orchestra if you can. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:29, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
I've added a little more-- I'd love to find the articles I read about lauding the Minnesota Orchestra's recent European tour, but can't put my hands on them. (But here's an entertaining take on it.) I'll look for stuff on the SPCO. Kablammo (talk) 03:34, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Well done. Your writing shows some enthusiasm. -SusanLesch (talk) 04:08, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I think if we found some more about the SPCO this section will be finished. Kablammo (talk) 04:18, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
I think the lede could bear some expansion, but I'm done now for the evening. Kablammo (talk) 04:20, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
If you can expand the lead that would be great. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:36, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Jeannette Piccard (again)

You deserve the heartiest of congratulations for restoring this article's GA status, and for the considerable effort and committment that you put into doing it. Jeannette could easily have been consigned to a byway of history, but not any more. --Malleus Fatuorum 22:00, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


Susan, see User talk:Raul654, where I've inquired if that article can be semi-protected, since the IP hasn't responded to talk or user talk queries ... sorry you have to keep re-cleaning up! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:38, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

The article is now semi-protected, since the IP hasn't responded to talk queries or the 3RR warning, so you've got a break for three days (I'm sure you probably know, but semi means IPs can't edit, but you can). If it recurs, you could go directly to User:Juliancolton, who semi'd it. Good luck! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:19, 28 January 2010 (UTC)


{copied from my talk page)

  • Sorry about the two mistakes and I am glad that you removed the faulty source. As I said, I did not mark all the questionable sources; I merely did a spot check. I question whether there has been a good source check of the article. Even if one out of three is wrong, and I am sorry for that, the number is still too high. Help with source checking should be welcomed. I usually do not make mistakes so I apologize for that. Regards, —mattisse (Talk) 20:28, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Thank you. You usually do so much better than this! -SusanLesch (talk) 01:44, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
  • Don't be too hard on each other; we're only human, with human frailties. We sometimes make mistakes. --Malleus Fatuorum 02:14, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


Susan, I was thinking regarding the Piccard article, if you can get the few pages of the source to me (DeVorkin) that deals with the General Mills issue (perhaps if you have a scanner, you could email them), I'd be happy to try to write up what happened and why they were sacked. I tried looking for the book on Google and Amazon, but there are no page views, at least not where I am; Google Books varies in which countries are allowed to see what. It can often be easier for an outsider to summarize a source—when you've rewritten something several times, it can be harder to work out what needs to be said. It's happened to me many times, so I'd be glad to help if I can. Don't worry if you'd rather not, but the offer's there. SlimVirgin TALK contribs 05:22, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Far out. The scans are ready to send to you, if you don't mind replying to my mail. -SusanLesch (talk) 06:27, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Done. :) SlimVirgin TALK contribs 06:39, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Final discussion for Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people

Hello, I note that you have commented on the first phase of Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people

As this RFC closes, there are two proposals being considered:

  1. Proposal to Close This RfC
  2. Alternate proposal to close this RFC: we don't need a whole new layer of bureaucracy

Your opinion on this is welcome. Okip 03:30, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Music of Minnesota

Susan, I did a copyedit. could you look at it and see if I deleted too much, or changed anything? It may need an MOS audit too. As I have no sources available to me I cannot satisfy any sourcing concerns. I deleted a few images for formatting reasons but am still not satisfied with the appearance of the last part-- I use a wide monitor which may affect my judgment there. Thanks. Kablammo (talk) 16:16, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Hey Kablammo. Great work! I only made two small edits. What do you say, we ask the four "delist" votes to revist the article? I asked them just now. Without canvassing, I can ask that perhaps your vote would make a difference. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:30, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Honest question

Hiya Susan, I was looking around the NASA related articles tonight and happened to notice that work on the Jeannette Piccard article has stopped. I then noticed that it apparently failed FAC, for which I'm truly sorry, considering how much work you put into it and how important it seemed that the article attain featured status. Now that the FAC is out of the way though, I wanted to ask, essentially, why? I'm not trying to be flippant, or mean, or anything like that, I'm just honestly curious to hear from someone as to why GA/FA (or, for that matter, DYK/ITN entries and even barnstars) is important to you? There's obviously something to it, since so many people seem to think that such things are important, but... I don't get it, I guess. You nominate an article, and some small group of editors choose to "award" you for it (right?), but... for what? I'd be really interested in reading an explaination, if and when you have the time to provide one (or anyone else, for that matter...). Thank you in advance, and good luck with your other efforts!
— V = IR (Talk • Contribs) 04:37, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Seems like a good question. Can you imagine going to school and not trying to get an "A"? I can't. Also while Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that "anyone can edit", the articles that people write from memory without citations are bad for the place. Verifiable sources for every statement means the quality of articles goes up. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:16, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Ah, that makes sense. I don't subscribe to such a viewpoint; that Wikipedia can draw parallels to school and grades. I can at least understand it though, so thank you for the reply!
There are two points that I would like to make in reply, only one of which is actually important. I don't subscribe to the parallel with school grades simply because (and I hope that yourself and others don't take this personally or anything, because it's definitely not) I don't see why I should accept the equivalent of a grade from another editor. That's not too important though, since it's only a difference in outlook which effectively has no real significance on how things work. The one minor issue that I see with such a view, is I think that those of you who seek out the awards tend to "show ownership" more then others. The philosophy itself explains that "problem" however, and I can easily deal with it as long as I understand where it's coming from (not that I'm trying to paint whole groups of editors with the same brush, but... it does explain some things that I've observed, at least).
The issue that I think is actually important, is that we all should watch out that we're not making assumptions about each other. Above, you seem to be implying that those who don't seek out GA, FA, and other awards, tend to undervalue references. I can speak to my personal view, which is that I believe that the references are more important then the content (more useful would probably be a better characterization).
Anyway, thanks again for the explaination, I really appreciate it. My apologies for pinging you on your talk page, and posting what turned out to be a mini-essay here. This really has been an issue that I've been hoping to gain a better understanding of for quite some time, though.
— V = IR (Talk • Contribs) 22:22, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Surely. I'm not aware of GA and FA being "awards". But I do think that WP:OWN comes into play sometimes (I don't think anybody else would have written Jeannette Piccard, or possibly taken Minneapolis to FA, but would be happy to be wrong.) -SusanLesch (talk) 00:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Moorefield and North Branch Turnpike

Susan, I recently submitted the article for the Moorefield and North Branch Turnpike as a DYK? nominee. Could you please peer review the article and provide any guidance that I could use to improve the article? Thank you for all your tremendous efforts and contributions in support of Wikipedia. --Caponer (talk) 16:25, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Anyone can review it. I'm sorry but my donations are overflowing in DYK right now and I need to tend to my own nomination. Good luck. -SusanLesch (talk) 02:29, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Room & Board

Hey Susan, long time no talk. I reviewed the dyk submission for the above, and asked if the hook can be clarified - it found it confusing, though maybe I am just a bit, eh, thick! Ceoil sláinte 16:49, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Hey Ceoil! No kidding, it's been a long time. Maybe an ALT hook would help. Also it would help to understand who the parties are. House Beautiful is just an American magazine, one of the few remaining home decorating titles. Room & Board didn't make the chair, they sell it. In other words, they aren't a manufacturer, they are a retailer. Does that help? -SusanLesch (talk) 02:31, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
I put an ALT1 hook on the template talk page. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:52, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm not really an ADF person, so dunno about notabality (per MS's cmts, but the new hook is still dry. I find it difficult to find anything that grabs in the article as it stands, that could be used. Ceoil sláinte 19:53, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Gee whiz. I added an ALT2. -SusanLesch (talk) 14:43, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
He! Commented there. Sorry for the overall tardy response times....Ceoil (talk) 13:56, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
Who could I count on to help in a pinch! Materialscientist is opposed to it being on the Main Page (which I might have understood better had WP:ADVERTISING or somesuch been called instead of opinion) and that's fine with me. Thanks a million anyway. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:35, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Room & Board

Updated DYK query On March 28, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Room & Board, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

-- Cirt (talk) 22:11, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Robert W. Sweet

It looks like you were inspired by my link to the judge from the Myriad Genetics article to add a section I was already working on for his article, and swooped in and beat me to it. I merged one of your sentences with one in my section, but feel free to improve further. Robert K S (talk) 18:05, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Your section looks great. I was working on an update for WP:ITN/C and didn't have energy left for Sweet. Thank you. It's unbelievable to me that nobody else has even added a sentence to the gene patent or Myriad articles. Must have been written by day traders. :-) -SusanLesch (talk) 18:11, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
What's the typographic convention for gene names? Should they always be italicized? BRCA1 and BRCA2 do it differently. Robert K S (talk) 18:22, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't know. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:23, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

ITN for 2010 Pulitzer Prize

Current events globe On 13 April 2010, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article 2010 Pulitzer Prize, which you recently nominated and substantially updated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the candidates page.

--HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:05, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

April 2010

Information.svg Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to 2010 Pulitzer Prize, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. The article depends too heavily on primary sources, therefore the template was added. Please don't remove it again. KingOfTheMedia (talk) 13:51, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Pardon me, KingOfTheMedia, but I don't like your attitude. You come here and put a template on my talk page, complaining of my edit summary, but you put the maintenance tag on the article, without so much as a comment in your, empty edit summary. Why not state your problem with the article up front (like on the article's talk page), and avoid this kind of misunderstanding? -SusanLesch (talk) 14:26, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Your note

The FAC was closed because it had no supports. I'm happy to take a look at the peer review, but can't promise I'll have anything to add beyond the points I raised before. Cheers, SlimVirgin talk contribs 11:26, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Joel Spitzer

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DYK for Joel Spitzer

The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your note

Hello Susan Lesch. I just wanted to take a second to tell you I appreciate your note on the talk page for Carly Fiorina‎. I also agree with your sentiments. Sadly, I fear that a career politician may vanish one day. At the present time "politician" seems to be a job that one has for two to six years until one can move on to the career that one really wants - "Lobbyist". Thanks for your time and happy editing. MarnetteD | Talk 21:30, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Eeek, a career path. Thanks again MarnetteD, and sorry I didn't look up the word first! -SusanLesch (talk) 02:52, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Question re talk:patriarchy

Hi Susan - I just saw a post you made to Talk:Patriarchy that after making a (very correct) remark on that page you got flooded by email. I want to ask you about this because I'm alarmed by another editor's behaviour there and want to establish the facts. Drop me a line at your convience--Cailil talk 01:24, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Deborah Madison

-- Cirt (talk) 18:04, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Edits to Lists of People from Minnesota

Symbol question.svg Wondering why you warned me about making changes to the List of people from Minnesota? I removed people who are not from Minnesota - you had many sports figures on there who simply played for a MN team, but had no background in the state otherwise. By that logic, we could go ahead and add Cher or Neil Diamond to the page, after all they have played numerous shows in the State.

I got warned for removing Kofi Annan? Really? Does anyone think that if you asked Kofi Annan - "Where are you from" - he would say Minnesota? Csingsaas (talk) 01:50, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I apologize for the warnings. Kofi Annan is marked "§" for "not born in Minnesota" (as far as I know he only went to school in Minnesota). I only checked a couple of your changes and found that the person probably lived there for some amount of time. I agree sports are overrated (and don't necessarily mean the person lived there) I think you have to be careful about making this large amount of removals. Tell you what. Why not ask at WikiProject Minnesota? You might find some support for removing a lot of names. I will try to clean up your talk page. Thanks for being reasonable. -SusanLesch (talk) 04:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Music of Minnesota

Hello. In January you added a citation to a book from the "Webster's Quotations" series published by Icon Group International to this article. Unfortunately, Icon Group International is not a reliable source - their books are computer-generated, with most of the text copied from Wikipedia (most entries have [WP] by them to indicate this). I'm removing a lot of similar references; many other editors have also been deceived by these sources. Fences&Windows 21:35, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi Fences and windows. Thank you for tracking that down. I must have been desperate for sources (actually there are very few sources that would help). Cheers. -SusanLesch (talk) 02:02, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Robert Slade

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I have nominated Robert Slade, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robert Slade. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 02:13, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Cornbread Harris

The DYK project (nominate) 18:02, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Collaborative news on quippd

Hey, I noticed that you listed yourself as invoked in the WikiProject Journalism project, and I hoped that you could help out on another collaborative community edited project.

I run quippd, a collaboratively edited social news site, which mixes elements of Wikis, social networking, and social news sites. You can get some more information about what we are doing at:

Basically, we want to get good coverage on news stories, collaboratively edited, like Wikipedia. We are trying to take the ideas of WikiFactCheck -- to make news less biased and speedier (unlike something like Wikinews). By combining social elements to the project, we hope to bring the benefits of wiki enabled fact checking and npov ideas to the masses.

I hope you check us out -- and feel free to contact me with any questions, comments, or concerns.

--Yoasif (talk) 02:29, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Hennepin Avenue United Methodist Church

The DYK project (nominate) 18:04, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


Just wanted to let you know that I greatly appreciate your contributions and suggestions regarding the psychology article. It's a nice breath of fresh air to see somebody think outside the (Skinner)box. :-) I've just made some comments and suggestions of my own on the talk page, and I invite you to comment/criticize/etc. I respect and appreciate all of your input. Cosmic Latte (talk) 08:20, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

the Public Policy Initiative Assessment Team wants You!

Hi SusanLesch, I got your name from the Editorial Team participant list, and wanted to tell you that we will be testing out assessment metrics in the Wikiproject: United States Public Policy, and I was hoping you would be interested in assessing articles with the Public Policy Initiative. There is more info about assessment on the 9/13/2010 Signpost. If you're interested or just curious you can sign up on the project page or just contact me. Thanks! ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 16:35, 17 September 2010 (UTC)


Hello, Susan. Discussion of a 2010 Minnesota Wikipedia Meetup has begun. Please see the talk page. Jonathunder (talk) 23:17, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Tea Party Funding


In good faith, do you really believe those are non-partisan edits or sources and they are worded in NPOV?

  • Footnote 134, New York Observer article doesn't support the statement and it is not noted as a breadbasket of major, notable or reliable main-stream American media nor does it attempt to incorporate main stream media articles within it's argument so it's conclusion in support of this statement is weak and from a moderate's view perhaps a bit hysterical. The Observer is most noted as a weekly source of weekly social activities. Non-notable, non-reliable.
  • Footnote 135, The New Yorker article covered lots about the widely labeled "libertarian" Koch brothers, much of it hearsay and shallow on supporting documentation, but failed to effectively link them to the Tea Party movement that the mainstream media consistently labels as "conservative". It was an interesting article and I appreciate that you linked it for my own education but much of it has been disputed. As a wiki consumer disgruntled with open partisanship, it doesn't meet the NPOV test. Notable publication, reliability is questionable.
  • Footnote 136, NYT but an Op-Ed from what most readers consider to be a liberal news paper citing heavily the New Yorker article which in the military would be called "circular reporting". Op-Eds from the NYT can be both notable and reliable but subject to extra scrutiny since they are opinion pieces.
  • Footnote 137. Winnipeg Free Press...ummm...that's a Canadian paper. When did that become notable within the US? Surely you can find a domestic source. First tier papers like the NY Times, Washington Post or LA Times didn't have anything so you had to resort to Winnipeg?

As a disgruntled wiki consumer and moderate I will protest what appears to be unsatisfactory and partisan sources. Please look again at the sources you cited. Keep in mind that the sources must adhere to the higher standard of BLP since the subjects are still alive. I am considering removing all but the NYT article as sources for the funding section of the article and adding some weasel words to keep it NPOV and feel that I am on solid ground by doing so. I will look again at the NYT Op-Ed to confirm it meets BLP. If I missed something or am mistaken please let me know.

Cheers, Tired of partisan gaming —Preceding unsigned comment added by Veriss1 (talkcontribs) 23:53, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Veriss1. I didn't cite anybody. All I did was give two sentences a subject and break a run-on sentence. I also added a section heading. I will look at this again later on. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:07, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
"Along with citing free promotion from..." versus "The movement received free promotion from..."(your wording), along with a similar, additional edit. You do not feel that your choice of wording changes the tone of that section? English grammar wasn't my strong suit but I don't see the new subject provided by your edits. I'm just a simple jarhead, perhaps you can point the subject out to me. It appears then that you won't mind if I revert those edits and remove those weak sources that were cited? Cheers! Veriss (talk) 00:32, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Of course you may revert me. Also, please use the article's talk page. I have very little to no interest in the tea party. -SusanLesch (talk) 02:15, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Bob Dylan-Tambourine-1965.ogg


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You (re)wrote a ridiculously POV version of his views on the DSM based on your poor understanding of a few soundbites from the press. I have made major corrections. Tijfo098 (talk) 01:54, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I'd appreciate you making your comments on the article talk page and not here. Thanks. -SusanLesch (talk) 04:43, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK lead and pic

Hi. I made your article on mental illness a lead DYK with pic. Then I noticed the pic was from the US GOV and thought PD, but then realized it was just the data and you made the chart, at least I think that's how it is. Please look over the current version of the chart on Commons and let me know if I got it right at the end. It should be on the main page in a couple days. RlevseTalk 00:29, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Wow, thank you Rlevse. I think now that I should credit the author, article and journal instead of just "page 4". Would it be possible to add this? No problem if not (I could add it after DYK). Also yes, PD would have been better. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:20, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
"Anatomy of an Epidemic: Psychiatric Drugs and the Astonishing Rise of Mental Illness in America" by Robert Whitaker, in Ethical Human Psychology and Psychiatry, Volume 7, Number I, Spring 2005
A better chart is here (this time without confusing percents). Thank you for catching that it should be PD. -SusanLesch (talk) 06:42, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Anatomy of an Epidemic

RlevseTalk 12:03, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Jerry Brown

There is some odd attempts being made on the article that I suspect may be politicaly motivated. False claims that do not match the citation and constitute original research are being made to bring up Rose Bird in a manner that is both false and not at all what the reference says.

Image discussion is to find a suitable image. Most recent portrait taken is not the best choice for many reasons, but the image I placed also does not need to be "The" one. There are hundreds of brand new Creative Commons images and yet the debate has centered around old images.

Additional nuetral eues are needed. Article appeared to be slanted in the most negative manner when one compares it to Meg Whitman.--Amadscientist (talk) 22:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Regarding the above issue, you are fully welcome and encouraged to examine the fleshed out discussion of this at Talk:Jerry Brown#Very disturbing attempt to remove fully sourced content from Governor section.. --Oakshade (talk) 23:13, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Happy SusanLesch's Day!

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Nuvola apps important.svg You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Koch Industries. Users who edit disruptively or refuse to collaborate with others may be blocked if they continue. In particular the three-revert rule states that making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block. If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the talk page to discuss controversial changes. Work towards wording and content that gains consensus among editors. If unsuccessful then do not edit war even if you believe you are right. Post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 06:29, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Greetings. Arthur Rubin. You're quite right, I have made three edits in a 24 hour period, and don't plan any more. Thank you for the reminder, though. We seem to be on opposite sides of this topic. Your post here is fine with me. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:10, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Front page of the U-T

Hi Susan. Good day to you. I added an image of the front page of The San Diego Union-Tribune recently that you removed. I saw in your edit summary that you said it was not today's U-T. Did you mean that they've updated to a new format since 2007? Also, I assume your comment that it was incendiary was meant both literally and figuratively, but was unsure how it might be so. Confused, Gobonobo T C 06:01, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, they do have a new format (they trim the paper size down) and new name "U-T". The photo wasn't typical of the paper under the old or new owners and pictured fire, which I don't like to see. Sorry, I realize you tried to capture this paper. For that, thanks! I don't know how to scan in such a large page or else I would redo San Diego. -SusanLesch (talk) 06:12, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
I didn't realize that there was a new format. Thank you for catching that. I've uploaded a different front page in the new format that does not include any fire. Would you check and see if it looks alright? Cheers, Gobonobo T C 07:13, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Great work! Yes that looks exactly like the paper we subscribe to. Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:57, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear photos

Thank you for your kind words. r3 (talk) 16:24, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

To Rrenner, through your work we can see what we missed at the Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear. Thank you for your photos! Both funny and serious. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:32, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
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Suggestions for next Minnesota meetup?

Hi, Susan, do you have any suggestions for a next date or place for a Minnesota meetup? I was disappointed to miss last Sunday's meetup once a work meeting coincided with the time announced for the meetup. I would be happy to arrange a meetup soon. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 14:15, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi, sorry no. Last year no one showed up at Muddy Waters on Lyndale in Minneapolis which I tried to organize, and no one has seriously suggested a North Woods meeting for a few years. So I leave it to the others. Good luck. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:59, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Mary Boyle

I created a stub for her because she qualifies per WP:ACADEMIC #3. Unfortunately her faculty page doesn't list her publications. Perhaps you can help with that. I don't want to overemphasize her critique of schizophrenia, although that seems to be what she's most notable for. Tijfo098 (talk) 05:14, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Nope, sorry I don't know anything about her nor do I have the time right now to learn. -SusanLesch (talk) 05:47, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Japan Tsunami

Sry if this format is incorrect, but an inactive user "MindstorM" keeps removing the section about the response of the citizens and how there has been no looting or civil unrest. S/He claims it has no relvance to the article. I think it is blatent vandilism but as I don't have an account I can't revert it. Since you reverted his/her last edit that did the same thing, I was hoping you could keep an eye out on it and notify MindstorM to stop his/her behavior. Thanks! (talk) 21:01, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Mad in America

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About Hevisaurus DYK

Thanks for the notification. Räyh! Looks like there's going to be no mainpage attention for these Finno-saurs. ☺ --Shirt58 (talk) 11:56, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

hi from new user

Hi, I saw you listed on WP:Welcoming_committee/members. I'm a new user and looking to get to know some other users, and if possible connect with more experienced users I can ask questions about WP from time to time :) Verapar (talk) 20:38, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome :) Can I ask you a question here? -Verapar (talk) 20:54, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Sure you can ask. I might reply on your talk page. -SusanLesch (talk) 21:03, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I did receive a reply from a user I asked earlier on their talk page. But I would appreciate it if you post a reply there as well if you have any more info User_talk:JohnCD#self-published_source.2Freliable_sources:_statements_of_opinion -Verapar (talk) 23:06, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
I replied on JohnCD's page. Good luck. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:31, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your reply. I've replied to your reply and also to one from Chaser. I would appreciate if you could take a look at Chaser's response i.e. I've asked exactly what other context Chaser thinks needs to be provided? Verapar (talk) 02:17, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Thanks for replying again. What you said is true too but I want to be sure that I fully understood and addressed the issue Chaser brought up. Or if anyone has further thoughts about that issue, I would appreciate hearing about that as well. I want try to understand all the details (pertaining to WP) ahead of time in a possibly more neutral environment.-Verapar (talk) 06:50, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Good luck. I gave you my advice. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:40, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. Chaser has replied that she thought the paragraph was ok. Sometimes it's ok to go ahead, sometimes it may be better to get some feedback first so you can refine the info a bit & get some support. Especially for the more significant info in a subject area where there may tend to be more editors who are not the most "professional" (i.e. inappropriately involve their personal feelings about the subject & not capable/willing to have the level of discussion that we had on JohnCD's page) and you're a new user on top of that. They can dominate the discussion that way and you won't even get a chance. And for articles about WP like the footnotes, it has a header at the top saying "Please ensure that any edits to this page reflect consensus." I've had a few replies but I'll wait a bit longer. -Verapar (talk) 16:06, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

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Hello, Melesse. Can you please tell me where the replacement is? I mean a link to that. Thanks. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:31, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
I think this is a case of a template covering so many topics that I find it's meaningless. I don't have a clue what to do, I am on a deadline, and you've apparently just gone offline for the night. Please consider writing your complaints out in English in the future. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:49, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Seeing as the subject of the portrait was alive over 100 years ago, you should be able to find a portrait of him where the copyright is expired (in Europe, that's 70 years after the death of the photographer). Melesse (talk) 03:32, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Melesse, you are correct. Subject lived over 100 years ago and painted a self portrait. Please delete this one (a better copy is in the Museé d'Orsay in Paris and the photographer is known). Thanks and sorry for my error. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:43, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

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DYK for Antoine Vollon

... 10 years ago there was no DYK. Luckily that's changed, so thanks Victuallers (talk) 23:55, 7 January 2011 (UTC)


Thanks for the barnstar for GA'ing Saint Paul, Minnesota! Glad to have done it! BobAmnertiopsisChatMe! 05:27, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Online Ambassadors

Hi Susan! I wanted to let you know about the Wikipedia Ambassador Program, and specifically the role of Online Ambassador. We're looking for experienced and friendly Wikipedians like you who are good at reviewing articles and giving feedback to serve as mentors for students who are assigned to write for Wikipedia in their classes.

If you're interested, I encourage you to take a look at the Online Ambassador guidelines; the "mentorship process" describes roughly what will be expected of mentors during the current term, which started in January and goes through early May. If that's something you want to do, please apply!

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I hope to hear from you soon.--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 01:21, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Antisemism Edits

Hi Susan, just wanted to thank you for your contribution in La Jolla's Antisemitism section. I was the one to first write the section (then IP ) and am very happy to see that people are still helping to maintain and improve upon it. Thanks! (talk) 18:15, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi there. You did the major part of the work and it looks good! I only added the story about the Bronowskis because I was a fan of his TV show, along with several million other people. Thanks for your note. -SusanLesch (talk) 05:39, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

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San Diego

Hello, and thanks for your recent edits to the article on San Diego. One question: I notice that you deleted three or four images without explanation. What was the problem with them? Were there copyright problems, or what? Thanks - --MelanieN (talk) 20:45, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Melanie. Because one article can only really use one skyline or maybe two. So I removed about three other "My skyline of San Diego" images that people have added over time. You can put them back if you wish. -SusanLesch (talk) 21:01, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
No problem, I was just curious. If you're interested in fixing a longstanding photo problem at the San Diego article (I'm clueless about photos), you might take a look at the montage at the top of the infobox. One of the photos is of the Hotel del Coronado, which is not actually in San Diego and doesn't belong there. Better photos for that montage could include the Presidio at File:PresdidioPark.jpg , the old Point Loma lighthouse at File:Point loma lighthouse.jpg , etc. If you know how to fix a montage you might take a look at this. Thanks for your help with the San Diego articles. --MelanieN (talk) 22:17, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
Done. I agree, the hotel is in Coronado, California. Thanks for pointing it out. -SusanLesch (talk) 05:00, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, much improved! --MelanieN (talk) 05:27, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Another editor has added back one of the cityscapes. I started a discussion about how many to have, and where to put them, at Talk:San Diego. --MelanieN (talk) 16:38, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

SNL Zuckerberg image

There is a discussion with the admin who deleted the image. Any thoughts might help. --Wikiwatcher1 (talk) 20:55, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

rvv on Jack Dorsey

This was a good move; I'm a bit abashed I didn't notice all the deletion that was going on. PRRfan (talk) 22:01, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

I started that article in November 2008 and don't expect anybody else to notice. But you did, so thanks! -SusanLesch (talk) 01:13, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

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DYK for Women in America

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1860 and 1870 Census in Minneapolis

Hi, I am accident wrote Edit summary "Changed population in 1880 and 1890 from Google Books" You made edit this edit I made edit [ this edit] You can view this 1860, 1870, 1880 and 1890 number population page 96 You can edit back in of Minneapolis] Thank you. Ross Degenstein -- (talk) 23:50, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I reverted my revert. Sorry about that. Atwater needs a citation but I haven't figured out how to place it in the table yet. Thanks very much for your note. -SusanLesch (talk) 04:59, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Unwarranted warning?

I feel that this warning was unwarranted. The editor in question did discuss the change on the talk page first, which bad-faith vandals don't typically do. It's a content dispute, not vandalism. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 15:56, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

You're right. I hadn't noticed that the editor did ask on the talk page. His or her earlier edits on this topic were done without any discussion on the talk page. My next revert was more polite. Thank you for your note. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:03, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
By the way, I think this editor could be blocked because of the 3 revert rule. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:30, 28 March 2011 (UTC)


I watch that page, and notice that you recently reverted an edit by some unnamed person. I was interested in what they wrote, and checked the talk page. I always find it a bit disappointing when some one, who may be just a kid, gets deleted with a comment that their edit wasn't constructive. There are a great many edits that are simply destructive, but in many cases, kids just want to add something constructive. They know an interesting fact but don't quite know how to go about it. If you've got the time, its often worth encouraging them to put their ideas on the talk page. The statement that Vasari was also a philosopher is worth considering, and looking to see whether or not the philosophical side of his art history has been reasonable covered. Amandajm (talk) 16:41, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

You might notice that the unnamed person received a "Welcome" from me along with a revert note. You can add a note to their talk page encouraging whatever you would like to see, too. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:45, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

RFD of National Cyber Alert System

A request to merge this into US-CERT was made. Following, the request for the deletion of this page was made. Mnemnoch (talk) 10:42, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I agree with this deletion. But can't find the page to comment. LMK if you would. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:11, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


I've tagged this image as lacking information on the authorship, which is critical to fulfillment of the license (cc-by-sa). Please provide this information or the file will likely be deleted within a week. Thanks. Magog the Ogre (talk) 20:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Hold on. This image has an OTRS ticket. -SusanLesch (talk) 20:46, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Tim Pawlenty Article

My apologies. I made the mistake of reverting before I actually posted the note on the talk page. It took me a few minutes to write it, and you evidently reverted during that time. Please refer to what I have written and self-revert. Thank you. SeanNovack (talk) 00:14, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't see anything here that can't be dealt with on the article talk page so I replied there. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:50, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Death of Osama bin Laden

Is there some reason why the May 1 blog post from the NYT has to be included in the lede? It doesn't have any of the info needed to go in that particular space. Brmull (talk) 04:09, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Greetings, Brmull. Yes there are several reasons, first and not the least of which is professional respect for the first journalist in the United States to publish news of bin Laden's death. Second, the other reference from Reuters is dated the next day and it does't include the right info either (for example where does it say he died from shots to his chest and head?). Third, this was already discussed on the article talk page (Archive 1) and I think other editors should probably defer to that. Thanks for asking. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:42, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

This info can go into the U.S. presidential address section. It looks to me like NYT and CNN published on their websites at about the same time, but CBS had confirmed it on Twitter long before that, at 10:36pm EDT. See Techcrunch. Greg Miller was the reference that was supposed to be there, it's better for the lede. Brmull (talk) 21:49, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry but I don't use tweets for the news. It's just fine to say something but Twitter is not a reliable source like a NYT blog by Helene Cooper is (and her first publication was written over). Yes, I agree Greg Miller would be a much better choice than the Reuters article. -SusanLesch (talk) 02:00, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

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DYK for Hara hachi bu

The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Minneapolis Marathon on Mpls page

Did you think I was making that up? Smith03 (talk) 16:54, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Not not at all. I thought you needed a source. But because it was the second mention, I wikilinked the first one and discovered an error (it started in 2009 not 2008). So thanks very much! -SusanLesch (talk) 21:43, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

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Rosemary Kennedy edit on July 15, 2011 makes no sense

Hi Susan, There seems to be somthing wrong with this sentence you added to the Rosemary Kennedy article:

The Binet intelligence test given to her before first grade termed her a "moron" with a mental age of 8–12 and an I.Q. of 60 to 70.

The first grade is normally ages six to seven, so "before" the first grade would be ages five to six. Having a mental age of 8-12 at around 5-6 is way above average, and certainly not moronic. Did you confuse two different intelligence tests given to her years apart? Please check your reference source again.

Lifung (talk) 15:26, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi Lifung. Good point. I still have that book but not with me until late September or early October. I seem to recall that the "moron" rating came from a different sentence than Rosemary's testing so I could easily have made an error. If you don't fix it first I can try to do that in October. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:54, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
The article makes a little more sense now. I'll leave you a note on your talk page. Thanks for pointing out this problem. -SusanLesch (talk) 01:54, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Much better, but I would add for clarity: ...(or the equivalent of an adult with a mental age between eight and twelve).Lifung (talk) 02:17, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Tea Party Movement Photo

Hi Susan I left a response on the Tea Part Movement talk page regarding the Santa Monica Pier picture. The owner has given permission for it to be posted here as long as he gets credit for it in the photo description page. His name is Perry and his site is What do I need to do from here?-- (talk) 22:36, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

WP:FOUR for Lisa del Giocondo

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Wow! Thank you, Tony. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:16, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Meissen-teacup pinkrose01.jpg Susan! Loved seeing your edit on the Childless article :) Well done! :D SarahStierch (talk) 02:53, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, Sarah. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:41, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Women's Liberation

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Interview with Wikimedia Foundation

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List of Sanghas in San Diego

Well, I suppose you could do this. All the sources would have to be third-party. You can't cite a sangha to its own web site. Also, you should use a simple bullet-pointed list. We don't use bold text like that. In general, only the subject of the article should be in bold text. Yworo (talk) 20:26, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Napoleonic c/Code

Hi Susan - A while ago you expressed a preference for "Napoleonic Code" over "Napoleonic code". I then made a Move request, which was denied. After some discussion of that with Vegaswikian, I was invited to have another go, which I did. That proposal has generated an immense discussion, but we may now be moving toward a decision. May I invite you to express a view again, in the section "New request to move"? Your earlier contribution is unlikely to be taken into account. Best wishes (Napoleon wouldn't have taken so long!) --Wikiain (talk) 05:28, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you --Wikiain (talk) 18:06, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK photos

Susan: I replied at Template:Did you know nominations/History of the birth control movement in the United States re photos for DYK. --Noleander (talk) 20:57, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK issue

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Interview for the 2011 Wikipedia Fundraiser

Hello Susan, I hope you're well. My name is Aaron and I'm one of the Storytellers working on the 2011 fundraiser here at the Wikimedia Foundation. For this year's campaign we're seeking out and interviewing active Wikipedians like yourself, in order to produce a broader and more representative range of "personal appeals" to run come November. If you'd like to participate in this project, please email me at Interviews are typically conducted by phone or Skype and take between 30-90 minutes. (Note: This invitation is open to any interested Wikipedian — If you're reading this, and would like to be interviewed as well, please contact me.) Thanks! Aaron (WMF) (talk) 19:26, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Women geoscientists

Your recent edit to List of geophysicists opened my eyes to a gap in the list. I was surprised to find that there were only two women on the list, Marcia and Inge Lehmann. I added a few more, but they are hard to find. (I was delighted to add Tanya Atwater, because I know her and she is a wonderful person.) The most prestigious geophysics-related medals are almost devoid of women, and Wikipedia entries in Category:Women earth scientists are mostly in pretty poor shape. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. RockMagnetist (talk) 21:43, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

You are so kind. Too bad there is no free photo of Atwater or Lehmann. Boy these women seem to be rare! -SusanLesch (talk) 23:26, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
Actually, both have photos with their WP articles. Of all these women, Inge Lehmann is probably the most important to geophysics. RockMagnetist (talk) 00:47, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Good to know. Their photos both have a non-free use rationales which I thought meant not usable outside their article (see WP:NFG on tabular use). Also Atwater is still alive which means somebody will say hers is possibly replaceable. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:34, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Your DYK nom for List of sanghas in San Diego County, California

Hi Susan, I've reviewed your nomination at Template:Did you know nominations/List of sanghas in San Diego County, California and there are issues with referencing and close paraphrasing. Please reply there after fixing the issues with the article; you may want to look at your older articles to ensure that they are free of close paraphrasing. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:54, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for List of sanghas in San Diego County, California

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 9 November 2011 (UTC)