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Regarding your revert[edit]

Hello,

Regarding this reversion, amongst which you added an edit summary "no, the lede is meant to provide a summary of the main points of the article,not mention every empire or state that ruled the territory."

Could you point me out any other empire or state that ruled all of Turkey for 200 years, or even close to it, had a considerable historical impact, and that's not listed in the lede?.. Especially as all other pre-Turkic history in some way, whether culturally or ethnicity-wise has been mentioned. - LouisAragon (talk) 16:50, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Please take this to the article talkpage so that other users can weigh in if they wish to. Athenean (talk) 16:55, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Hellenisation page[edit]

Hi, I have notice that you have undone my revisions on the Hellenisation section on the Alexander the Great page, and when you undid th revision gave the reason POV pushing. However I must disagree as while you undid the revision you kept the sources, and it was I that added those courses to support what I had written. Thus, what is currently written is not supported by any of the sources, or any scholarship. Furthermore, I fail to see how I was pushing my point of view, I was entirely fair and was not trying to detract from any side, I was simply reflecting modern scholarship on the matter and thus was not pushing my point of view. Indeed what you have replaced my revision with is entirely inaccurate, again I can understand your concern that my edit was perhaps an instance of historical revisionism; however it is not. I was simply correcting the section due to the addition of the mount Meru bit, keeping the original sources which are in no way relevant even contradicting the point made about mount Meru. Indeed, on the issue of mount Meru that is traditional Hindu "cosmology" (as it was describing the universe, not the solar system) and was not accepted beyond explaining the metaphysical universe, in traditional Indian astronomy/astrology; however, the use of a heliocentric planetary model with elliptical orbits was favored until the arrival of the Ptolemaic model which proved very popular as the arithmetic was simpler and yielded equally accurate results with the relatively inaccurate data available at the time. I will refrain from making any more edits until we resolve this issue, please do contact me soon as i want to settle this amiably and with no further disagreements. Looking forward to hearing from you.Bodha2 (talk) 18:47, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi, was hoping for a response by now.Bodha2 (talk) 13:15, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Closure at WP:AE[edit]

Please see this notice which I added at Talk:Turco-Albanians. Though the enforcement request against you was closed with no action, the moral of the story for all parties seems obvious. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 19:10, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Latest Sulmues SPI[edit]

Thank you for your time about this one. Alexikoua (talk) 21:11, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Always a pleasure! Athenean (talk) 21:34, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Barnstar[edit]

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WP:AE[edit]

I have started a discussion on WP:AE concerning you.CometEncke (talk) 10:16, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

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Request[edit]

In the article Hijab by country there are constant attempts by registered users and IP users (whom I suspect could be duplicate accounts of one person) to show the illegal entity of "Northern Cyprus" as a separate and legitimate country, and obviously in many other articles, without much ado. I revert it, but they change it back, even including my amended version that show the Turkish Cypriots as a distinct society but as a subsection under the legitimate section of Cyprus. Could you do something about these users and alert them?

Thank you. SednaXV (talk) 08:27, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Re[edit]

To this. I am reacting so defensibly because you claimed this in an arbitration request, and I will react even more defensibly if you continue doing the same. My very best wishes (talk) 04:22, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Reverting[edit]

Hi, this is Woodgridge. Yesterday, you reverted my sourced edit with the edit summary "rv alexyflemming sock" without raising your claim in WP whereas WP has mechanisms for such accusations to be recorded and processed. It would be wise/ethical to introduce the claims with proofs before accusing the others.Woodgridge (talk) 17:06, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Greeks[edit]

Good morning. I have a quiestion about Greeks. Why the user Theban Halberd, removed the Aeolian and Dorian invasion on Origin section? --Loginariosty (talk) 23:58, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Northern Epirote Declaration of Independence/GA1[edit]

Since you took a look at Resnjari's comments about the supposed copyvio issues of 100+ year old images, I wonder what else can be done in this case. By the way all necessary info was already added in commons.Alexikoua (talk) 12:52, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

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Alexander[edit]

Hey Athenean, regarding Alexander the Great, I wanted to just keep it at India myself initially when I reverted those two users, but after realizing that that part is often changed by "certain" IP's/SPA accounts who seem overly concerned regarding how many square inches Alexander had conquered of what is nowadays their country, I tried to make it more precise. This indeed made it way too complicated however as you correctly told. "The more you have the more complicated life gets", as we say, haha. Anyway, to put it short, I just wanted to say that I changed it in good faith in order to prevent more SPA IP hoppers/socks/and what-not being lured to it. That's all. I would never have changed it if it didn't attract that much disruption. That's all :-) Bests and take care - LouisAragon (talk) 21:26, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

No worries, I know you meant well, and appreciate the effort. Athenean (talk) 02:46, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Removal of sourced information[edit]

You just removed sourced content without reaching consensus or providing rational explanation. If you continue the incident and your bias will be reported at WP:AE, thank you. Take careJudist (talk) 04:50, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

I explained to you on the talkpage why the material doesn't belong. If you that's your problem. Feel free to go to AE anytime. Athenean (talk) 10:05, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Imbros.[edit]

Hi, I would like to ask why content with no reliable (invalid links and in Greek Language) sources should still be on Imbos' page? And why should content with sources which are not even in English still be on an English Wikipedia page? In this case Imbos, Please remove the greek sources from the page and move them to the Greek wikipedia page. DavidThomson1997 (talk) 22:58, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Greek inhabitation[edit]

Indeed, but I am referring to inhabited by *humans* not human ancestors (which does indeed go much farther back. Perhaps specification is in order, but I figured that would be quickly assumed.

Europe, including Greece, has been inhabited by anatomically modern humans for the last 40k or so years. Human beings did not evolve in the 7th century BC. Athenean (talk) 03:08, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Gangaridai and Alexander the Great[edit]

On the Gangaridai and Alexander the Great articles, this Bangladeshi nationalist (User Tiger Hafiz) always changes the historical articles to modern Bangladesh, instead of historical Bengal. Please help protecting wiki from nationalism. (2600:1001:B02E:E4D:D85F:93B2:9885:587 (talk) 20:41, 4 August 2016 (UTC))

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Mathematics in medieval Islam[edit]

Hi (everyone), please take note of the thread I've started on the talk page re the current disagreement. Many thanks, Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:13, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.[edit]

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Turkish people[edit]

Please feel free to discuss the population in Talk:Turkish people. Your argument that the sources are POV need backing up. I have included both high and low estimates so I don't see the problem here.O.celebi (talk) 06:53, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Are you User:Turco85? Athenean (talk) 06:57, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

No, I'm not.O.celebi (talk) 07:04, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

You sure about that? Athenean (talk) 07:05, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
If you wish to believe this then do so. You seem to be diverting away from discussing the dispute with me. I have written my view on the talk page. O.celebi (talk) 07:46, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Russian people article[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians, my input on the notable achievements article is strongly based on this one, kind regards, please keep informing me on how to expand the Turkish people article the right way thank you. Redman19 (talk) 08:36, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

I fully understand the Wikipedia standards now, thank you sir, never knew who I could adress to get the right information. When having trouble, I will contact you for help or intel, kind regards Redman19 (talk) 09:18, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

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Map[edit]

No dude, explanation was in the map change summary. I will add the reports I used to the talk page this evening. It's not a rule as far as I can see that only PEW reports can be used.

If you believe that Bulgaria has 7% Muslim population when 2001 census has no 'undeclared' option and has almost 13% Muslim population, and in 2011 census number of Turks in Bulgaria are almost same but Muslim population is 7% and undeclared is 20%. Then it's not healthy to use the information as 7%. Got what I mean right? Berkaysnklf (talk 10:58, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Expulsion of Cham Albanians page[edit]

Possible Sockpuppetry by DevilWearsBrioni[edit]

Hello, While involved in the Arbitration enforcement case, I decided to check out his edit filters, one of the edits I came across was this https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:37.46.188.80&oldid=696258659, the account, an IP, appears to have shared edit time, he stopped editing on the 22nd of december, 2015, devil wears brioni started in the 21st, while not necessarily sockpuppetry, it should probably be looked into. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 02:07, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

In case an investigation on this is done and the findings turn out to be positive, will you please inform me and the others? Because, if that anonymous account and DWB are one and the same person, then this mean he has already received a ban for disruption on Balkan-related articles, before. We will certainly need to know this. Much appreciated in advance. -- SILENTRESIDENT 23:15, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
@SilentResident:, i dont think he did it long enough to count for sockpuppeting, it may be his home IP, or else a fresh start, if it is a fresh start your not supposed to out yourself as the same person, the blocking and the being closely watched by admin's involved with that may have led him to fresh start. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 23:36, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Well, sockpuppetry or not, my point here remains about the disruption having begun earlier than we originally thought: if DWB and the IP are confirmed to be the one and same person, then his disruptions on Balkan articles begun much earlier than January 2016. This could mean that we are not *exactly* dealing with an editor who has a *perfectly* clean record of past sanctions. This is important. His current (registered) account may show a clean record of blocks and bans, but, this doesn't mean he has not been blocked in the past. That being said, I believe some caution is necessary.
And I shall add to what you have said about a fresh start: I believe a fresh start is a good reason for an editor to familiarize himself/herself with Wikipedia's rules and norms so he/she can avoid causing more troubles in Wikipedia, but unfortunately, in our case, the editor kept on with his disruptions even after his registration (assuming that the IP account is really his).
Btw, just in case, I have transferred to Robert your findings, and he too seems almost certain that the IP and DWB are one and the same person: [1]. But still thing here is we have not confirmed that the IP and that registered account are one and the same person. If we really want to tackle effectively with this kind of disruption in Wikipedia, it is important that we are fully aware of any negative past records by them so we do not lose valuable time like we did now, where we waited for too long and for too much before something is finally done with that year-long disruption. -- SILENTRESIDENT 13:49, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Europe 10,000 Challenge invite[edit]

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Trump[edit]

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Result you seek for AE: DWB[edit]

What end result are you seeking? Personally I think a sanction on balkans would work, he has shown some interest in swedish boxers, so he shouldn't be bored out of his mind, what do you think? Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 06:03, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Yes, a sanction from ARBMAC topics is quite frankly the only way to end this madness. Athenean (talk) 06:09, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
Agreed, I am currently looking into similarities between User:Irvi Hyka and DWB, both seem to share the belief that it was a genocide, will update if I find anything conclusive or not. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 06:13, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
I may have found something, both of them have a Significant Overlap in what times they edit. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 06:15, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
No, I don't think there is any connection there. I am familiar with Irvi Hyka, and his level of English proficiency was much, much lower. Regarding those figures you posted at AE, they are interesting to be sure, but even more interesting would be the amount of text he has posted at the various talkpages and drama boards. For example, he only has 12 contribs to AN/I, but several of them are simply massive. Athenean (talk) 06:18, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
That is very true, he has contributed more bytes in some edits than I have on my namesake article, which is an achievement to be sure. On a related note do you think he would be inclined to sock puppet if sanctioned or site banned? Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 06:21, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
Hopefully not, but I have no idea, and won't speculate. Athenean (talk) 06:23, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Sorry[edit]

I called before you as "racist", sorry for that mate. Beshogur (talk) 09:02, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Balki Chalkidiki[edit]

This has been brought to my attention, please either file an SPI or redact your comments to Balki Chalkidiki. Thanks in advance. Nick (talk) 22:36, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Cough. Dr. K. 07:21, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Minorities_in_Turkey[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minorities_in_Turkey

  • please add infobox to this articles and maps. i add one sample infobox to talk page of this article. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Callofworld (talkcontribs) 10:54, 22 February 2017 (UTC)