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re:Union Street Railroad Bridge

Thanks for the cleanup and clarifications on that article. Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jphn37 (talkcontribs) 00:46, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


I knew that would give you the Lige bug. Thanks! --Esprqii (talk) 17:21, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Yep! Dude needs his own article... Katr67 (talk) 17:22, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Cinco de COTW

Greetings once again from the Collaboration of the Week at WikiProject Oregon. Thank you to those who helped out with the last set of articles. This week we have the lone Stub class article left in the Top importance classification, Flag of Oregon, and by request, Detroit Lake. Help where you can, if you can. To opt out of these messages, leave your name here. Adios. Aboutmovies (talk) 22:03, 5 May 2008 (UTC)


I know I didn't get to stay very long, but it was great to meet you last night at WikiWednesday! Hopefully sometimes soon we can get a larger contingent of Oregon Wikipedians have a work collaboration (Oregon Collaboration of the Month perhaps?) See you around the wiki, VanTucky 20:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Great to meet you too! Yeah, where did you go? I was going to show you I got a pic of Sho Dozono! Katr67 (talk) 20:34, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Where'd you get it? That's wonderful!. The following is for you... VanTucky 21:37, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Feel free to move to user space

Barnstar-camera.png The Photographer's Barnstar
I can't thank you enough for snapping the portrait of Sho Dozono. Images of living people are often hard to procure, and your work in this regard was invaluable. VanTucky 21:37, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! I tagged along when Pete went to city hall and there he was! You might want to take the barnstar back when you see the image though. :P I've uploaded the uncropped version on Commons if anyone wants to mess with it. Katr67 (talk) 21:43, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
It's a fine photo. It just got a little fuzzy if you try and crop it small enough to cut out the reporter's hand/mike. I made a different cropped version to use if that's okay with you? VanTucky 22:02, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I think I like it better with the hand -- a little context makes the expression on his face make more sense. -Pete (talk) 22:06, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Works for me. I thought about leaving the mike in too. He does look a bit worried, doesn't he? Katr67 (talk) 22:09, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I created a modified version of the image to make his face clearer. It's quite rough, and has some yucky aliasing along the front of his chest, but I thought I'd test fly it here. If requested, I'll clean it up. —EncMstr (talk) 00:41, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, response is underwhelming. It's hard to say without seeing the cleaned up version, but my personal bias states that the current version is fine for now. Katr67 (talk) 18:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

dubious honors

Thx for the revert...yeesh, and all I did was add a maintenance tag and a stub tag to an article he created. With all the speedies and AfDs I've sprinkled around this week, this is the best vandalism I can attract? Heh, either the vandals are getting soft, or I am. Oh, and for your amusement check out The Ice Skating Mom From Hell(tm). Take care. --Finngall talk 05:02, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Re: Mom from Hell: Holy Stage Mom, Batman! And on a related note, since you don't reply to e-mail ;) going to be around this weekend? Katr67 (talk) 05:11, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I'll be around, speaking of, never mind.  ;-) --Finngall talk 05:17, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Shhhh. <shifty eyes> Cool, maybe I'll try that plastic gizmo with the buttons on it. I may drop in tomorrow but need to be back Sunday a.m. Should be at V's house as usual. I think I'd rather have dessert than lunch! Say hi to the Missus, and Stay Off the EverCrack! Katr67 (talk) 05:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

What do you think of this?

Thanks for your work at List of museums in Oregon. I'm thinking of converting the list into a sortable table, the way nearly all the other state museum lists have been converted. Please take a look at Talk:List of museums in Oregon#What about a sortable table? and tell me what you think there. I don't want to do it if there are objections to it. Noroton (talk) 11:49, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: section on Wikiproject Oregon

I appreciate your intentions in moving my comments at the WikiProject Oregon talk page, but I consider the topic separate enough from the previous one and I think editors are unlikely to see the new section half way up the page, so I restored it to the bottom. Thanks anyway. Noroton (talk) 03:09, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, our members to tend to watch that page pretty closely, but whatever. Katr67 (talk) 18:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Zzzz Oregon COTW

Howdy ya’ll, time for another Collaboration of the Week from WikiProject Oregon. Last week we improved Flag of Oregon & Detroit Lake, enough I think to move them to Start class, so great job everyone! This week, we have another request in Oregon Ballot Measure 47 and a randomly selected two sentence stub that should be easy to expand enough for a DYK in Wallowa-Whitman National Forest. To opt out of these messages, leave your name here, or click here to make a suggestion. Aboutmovies (talk) 18:44, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Thumbs up.jpg The COTW award from WPOR.
Thanks for leading the way in last week's Collaboration of the Week!
Just for you, the coveted thumbs up for working on Detroit Lake and the Flag of Oregon last week. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:04, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Why was it vandalism?

I noticed my edit, was called as vandalism by you. But it's not, because I live in Canby and we all call Barlow our "bitch", "ho", or "dirty trichinosis". Don't worry, those Barlowians are just fine about it. See, Canby has 8 fast food joints ( go ahead count them ) while Barlow barely has running water. They have a graveyard with Sam Barlow's body, Canby has a Safway and a Fred Myer. Thats right, we got two places of buy milk. Screw Barlow, that's right. We got post office, they can not afford one. Point is, Barlow is our bitch, I mean a huge bitch, and I think Wikipedia should reflect that and you should redact your warnings toward me. --SoldierOfColbert (talk) 01:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

That's nice. It's still vandalism though. Katr67 (talk) 01:35, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

List of museums in Oregon

Thanks for your edits to the list, the links to the Gorge, for instance, are just the kind of improvements I have difficulty with. My plan is to work on the list for the rest of the week. I still haven't decided which regions to put some museums in (that's why some are blank) because I wanted to start going through both the museum association website and the Explore Oregon feature of the state tourist website. So far, all the Region listings agree with both lists. Also to be done is to list the regions as in List of museums in Montana and List of museums in Idaho. I'll also put in website links for all the items without Wikipedia articles, add very brief descriptions at that point and add entries in the "Type" column (looking at the websites makes sure that's accurate, it's easy to mistake these). I normally work alone, and I'd expected just to get the job done in a week and hand it over to you guys, but if you'd like to help out or even take over from here, I'm fine with that (although it's better if we don't edit at the same time because of edit conflicts). This time is unusual for me -- I expect to be editing in the early evenings (Eastern Time). I notice that the Horace Baker item wasn't restored from our edit conflict. If you haven't yet, could you restore it? Again, I appreciate the help. Noroton (talk) 18:10, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, obviously it's not ideal to edit at the same time, but edit conflicts happen. We're a very active project so we often end up accidentally having conflicts. I'll take the article off my watchlist since you seem to prefer it that way. Don't worry, I always restore edit conflicts. It's done now. I'm done for now--I put the best guess regions in with a native Oregonian understanding, but as you have seen, there are some gray areas between Southern/Eastern, Central/Eastern, Valley/Portland, etc. (Though I have no idea who thinks Marion and Yamhill counties are in Eastern Oregon) I have some opinions about some of those, but I won't bore you with the details right now. Katr67 (talk) 18:23, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I still have this page on my watchlist for long forgotten reasons. Have you guys come across in use? It avoids edit conflicts. Just trying to be helpful. :) Abtract (talk) 18:44, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes, Katr 67 had it up at one point. if it's not up now, I'll get it up.Noroton (talk) 18:47, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
(ec!)Thanks Katr67. I don't remember the details, but the map either at the museum association home page or the Explore Oregon feature of the state website had a real big Eastern Oregon section. What you said about those counties is helpful. I'll also have to look at the maps again because they're vague -- the lists on those websites will also help. I expect changes will be made after I'm through. Noroton (talk) 18:47, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
As I said at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Oregon:Would you like a sortable table at List of museums in Oregon? I support using the Oregon Museum Association's region breakdown to settle differing opinions on regional borders, but I think it should be noted in the body of the article (as the source for the regional breakdown of List of Oregon state parks is noted in that article). Katr is right, though, that several of the listings were off (according to everyone's regional definition). I'll post a note on your (Norton's) talk page to make the borders of the OMA map less vague. Not a problem if you don't get them all right; we'll clean up when you're done. Thanks for all your work. Northwesterner1 (talk) 19:21, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi folks, let's take this discussion off my page, thanks. I won't be working on the list anymore. Katr67 (talk) 19:37, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Nugget of goodness

Following is the entire contents of the article you requested. Hope you don't mind that I'm dumping it all on your talk page ;) -Pete (talk) 21:49, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

link title

Damn, damn, those overzealous deletionists! They will pay!!! Katr67 (talk) 21:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Portland Hotel

Updated DYK query On 20 May, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Portland Hotel, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 10:00, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Cool, thanks! Katr67 (talk) 14:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
So glad you did that article, it was an important gap in Portland's history! Good job! -Pete (talk) 15:18, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


Sorry im kindof new. EncMstr told me about the whole Redlinks thing. I didnt realise i had did it twice! He siad not to sweatr it:). Sorry if i caused any inconvienence. I look forward to seeing you around! (~JDM~) (talk) 04:08, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Go ahead with the cats

I was taking the smaller number one, feel free to take on the cats. I doubt I'll get to them, I want to do some article work too. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:43, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Cheese and Brassens

The fromage box is from the French Wikipedia. I "substed" it so I could change it to link to the English cheese page instead of the French cheese portal. Yes, the French have a whole portal about cheese! The substing created an alarming amount of code, which you're welcome to copy, but I'm sure there's a much simpler way to recreate it. I hope that helps.

P.S. I see your French is better than mine--if you feel like it, check out the translation of George Brassens (the one linked to in the translation box, not the current article). I've been slowly working on it. I'm mostly trying to get it wikified, but I'm sure the syntax is weird in a few places. My best friend used to live in Sète, or I never would have heard of him... Katr67 01:35, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

On the Brassens article, I'd like to help, but I'm not sure how soon I can. For now I'll print out the working English translation and go read it over a cup of coffee. Thanks for the cheese tip! -Eric (talk) 14:32, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Do you have a fairly recent copy of Word? It would be easiest for me to post my changes in a Word doc set to track changes. I'm watching this page. -Eric (talk) 17:21, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
I did some revision of the working draft. I'm going to assume you have Word and am posting it here link deleted by Katr67 (can you please delete this link after you get the doc?--thanks). I put translation notes at the top of the Word doc. The track changes function in Word lets you accept/reject changes as you read (right-click for options). Let me know if you're not familiar with this tool or don't have Word. -Eric (talk) 20:00, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Got it, thanks. I love track changes. Sign up as one of the proofreaders of that article if you want. BTW, I believe Wikipedia style is to always go with British style when it comes to punctuation with quotations, and I would tend to use British English anyway on a French translation because they use British English there. At least my friend who's a translator does, but she deals with more Brits than Americans. Katr67 20:13, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Okay. Sorry if I was out of line creating the new section! I'll take down the doc unless you want me to leave it up. -Eric (talk) 20:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you can take it down. No worries about the section, I was about to create one when I experienced the edit conflict with you and accidentally left both versions up. All better now. Katr67 20:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I see what you mean now--I thought you had accidentally deleted some stuff. But yeah, I'd prefer to maintain the threads on my talk page myself. Thanks. Katr67 20:24, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I didn't realize that I was in the edit conflict, but I get it now. I'll be gone to work all week (and should not be on WP then!) but let me know if you have a question about the translation and I'll work it into a coffee break... -Eric (talk) 20:41, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Just a couple more pages to go on 2nd half of Brassens. -Eric (talk) 22:15, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi- I finished revising Brassens, but can't poke through the firewall at work to upload it. I'll do that Friday night. -Eric (talk) 22:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Here it is--hope it helps! Let me know if you have any questions. -Eric (talk) 13:14, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi Katr- Can you let me know when you've got the doc? I'll watch here--thanks. -Eric (talk) 13:41, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Got it! Sorry, you can take it down now. Skimming, I can see you cleared up some really weird things--"police killing women"? As far as double spaces, they don't make a difference to the wiki software, so though I'm a single space gal myself, I try to resist fixing too many of them. Thanks again! I should be working on a real world volunteer editing gig right now, so it may be a little while until I am able to incorporate your changes. I'll let you know if I have any questions. I may see if my friend is available to help with some of the lyrics as well. Katr67 14:44, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, and let me know if you need more help with the lyrics--I have a professor friendwho is a Brassens fan as I recall, and I'll bet he'd be happy to help. -Eric (talk) 15:48, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi Katr- Did everyone like the proofread of the Brassens article? Should we update it to 100%? Please let me know what's up, okay? Thanks. -Eric (talk) 14:58, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi Katr- Just checking in. The article has had 60 or so edits since I revised the translation, so it might be getting tricky to just replace it. -Eric talk 19:03, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (novel)

Since I believe you did some work on the novel and being from Eugene I'm sure you read it, is it really based on the prison in Pendleton as it says at the beginning of the plot summary? Kesey worked at an asylum in CA, and I recall the novel set somewhere in the valley. So do you think this might be some Eastern Oregon urban legend, or is there truth to the matter? Thanks. Aboutmovies 23:18, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Hrm. I've always heard it was based on the Oregon State Hospital. (And yes, people think Kesey actually worked there, but no, it was my mom who did for a few months. She has good stories.) I've never heard the Eastern Oregon State Hospital mentioned. I didn't know EOSH turned into a prison, I'll have to check, sometimes people think they're the same thing. (And probably metaphorically speaking they're sometimes right)... I don't believe it says where it is in the novel except Oregon, though they do go to the coast (in the movie it was Depoe Bay) so I'd assume in the valley. I'll see if I can find my copy when I get home. Katr67 23:34, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
That and they talk about people coming down from Portland (hookers and such), which I know people are bad with geography, but that would seem odd to talk about people coming down to Pendleton from Portland. And for the coast trip they cross the Siuslaw River, which seems a bit south to go if coming from Pendleton as well. Aboutmovies 23:45, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

West Union

Absolutely no hurry, but when you have a chance could you check OGN to see how accurate this info is. West Union accounts for three redlinks at the Hillsboro article, so sometime before the end of the year I'll put something together. Thanks. Aboutmovies 07:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it's accurate. OGN doesn't mention them being the first white folks, and has a better quotation about the name. I can make a stub as soon as I take care of Cave Junction. Scottsburg, Oregon showed up overnight, by the way. Katr67 14:41, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I've got a few other sources for West Union too. That Scottsburg article is one of the sadest stubs I've seen. Aboutmovies 17:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Dinos and size

I took a look at the dino people, and the article size list would be interesting. I don't know how much it would help in the FA drive, but it wouldn't hurt. I think the reason the dino WP is successful with the FA process is it appears they work together on prepping the articles, which likely means more participation at the FA review point. I think the OSC failed only due to lack of support, not because it wasn't quality. After the first nom I thought the WPOR problem was cooperation, which is why I started the COTW, so we'll see how it goes now with the 2nd nomination. If that doesn't get the job done, then I don't know what will. I'm hoping it doesn't turn into a "I like it this way better" versus "this part doesn't meet the MOS," which is what it is supposed to be about, otherwise it will never pass since everyone has a their own style preferences. At least that's my two cents. So, how would we get a list by article size? Aboutmovies 18:43, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: CDPs

(discussion moved to Category talk:Census-designated places in Oregon—mostly for a lasting visible record. —EncMstr 07:25, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, EM. Katr67 16:36, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
One more thing sortof on this subject: since you've done at least some work with the county templates, would you be willing to create templates for Clatsop and Columbia Counties? I've placed templates for twenty counties, and the other fourteen have templates that I'm looking to place. Nyttend 13:19, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
There aren't any yet? I counted 34, how many counties do we have anyway? Where did they go? One person did a couple then somebody else did the rest in a couple big pushes... I need coffee... And no, the only thing I did was change the color to match the first ones made. Someone had started making them bright yellow like California's... Katr67 15:49, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, I'm better now. I know we have 36 counties, and when I went through adding WP:ORE tags to all of the ones Floydspinky71 created, I could swear he had finished making all of them. Why don't you ask him first? You see, last night I tried to make the tinest table showing the official UO colors, and even that was aggravating. I gotta stick with what I know... Ah but I see he hasn't edited for a few days. Finals probably. Maybe I can work on it tonight, today won't be good, the screaming from my cubicle would give me away. Katr67 16:36, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Aha, sorry, you spoke about the templates so without looking at their history I assumed that you had produced them. I myself don't know much about template syntax; just take one that still exists and replace the current lines with the new ones, say replace all instances of "Clackamas County" with "Columbia County", "Oregon City" with the name of the county seat, and so on. That's all I do, and I know it works for me. By the way, about Mount Hood Village/Villages at Mount Hood: since it's now an official governmental body, at least to some extent, is there any reason to keep it at the current title? To me it would seem more sensible to call the entire article "Villages at Mount Hood, Oregon". Nyttend 21:19, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes, someone had made one or two that matched the {{Oregon}} template, then Floyds came along and started doing them in yellow like California's, so I put a stop to that, that's about I all I did. I'm rather indifferent to templates, but I try to keep them herded together when they arrive. I know I could copy and paste, I'll see how I feel about getting into the busywork zone tonight. Right now I have a raging headache... Re:Villages: I'm not convinced merging the two Mount Hood Whatever articles was a good idea, (the same issues with what the boundaries are--see the talk page), but the page rename makes sense, especially since I imagine at the next census the CDP "Mount Hood Village" would go away? Have you seen any other former CDP articles? (pretty unlikely since Wiki has only been around since 2002 or so, but wait, I guess there's a whole category about them: Category:Former census-designated places) How was this handled? The only other one I can think of is Santa Clara, Eugene, Oregon, which is now considered a neighborhood of Eugene, so very little needed to be said about its CDP status. BTW, we should discuss the whole ghost town thing--I started another topic at the CDP talk page. Katr67 21:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Minoru Yasui

This is my next GA project. When you have a chance could you look trough and tag anything needing citations, note anywhere where info seems to be needed/expand/explained. Working on this and the related articles has made it difficult to see the trees through the forest and remember what I wrote where and where I found that info. Thanks. No hurry, it will not be until after finals that I nom at GA. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:32, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I've finished sourcing everything, I think, so if you could look through it and prep it for GA it would be appreciated. Aboutmovies (talk) 12:46, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the reminder. I may not get to it until Monday, I've got holiday stuff to attend to and there's a disturbance in the force around here... Katr67 (talk) 18:59, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, I couldn't resist taking a peek... OK, I know you didn't write it, but why does the infobox say "Resting place"? I thought we didn't use euphemisms? Shouldn't it be "Burial place" or "Buried" or "Interred at" or ??? "Religious stance" strikes me as odd as well. Why not just "religion"? Katr67 (talk) 19:09, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, I guess not everyone is buried, but it still seems odd... Katr67 (talk) 19:20, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Stumptown Coffee - your suggestion

Hello, I'm relatively new to wikipedia and I tried updating Stumptown Coffee Roasters entry to bring it in line with the guidelines, but user: Thamusemeantfan, deleted all of my edits without adding to the discussion page. What is the best way to deal with this in your opinion? Squitringo1234 (talk) 19:24, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I've been kind of watching that article and it's sort of a train wreck, isn't it? I've been avoiding it for that reason. Let me take a look and get back to you. Katr67 (talk) 19:34, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. As I've said, I'm not entirely sure of the protocol for this type of situation. I'm fine if there is more info on that page (though I don't think it deserves anymore), but its definitely not satisfactory the way it is now. Squitringo1234 (talk) 22:18, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Any thoughts about Stumptown? Squitringo1234 (talk) 22:08, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I seem to have a short attention span these days. My thoughts? Yes that article is indeed a train-wreck. :) Did you hear back from the other editor? If you'd like to try to update the article, I'll back you up. There's no need for sentences like "The coffee is remarkable for the strength and thickness of its 'standard' brew, probably owing to a policy of serving French pressed coffee for its standard brew." In fact, I'll go take that out right now. Katr67 (talk) 22:14, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I've attempted to discuss with the editors on their talk page, but they have not responded. Squitringo1234 (talk) 20:50, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Editing articles talk pages question

Since the talk page for each article is for discussing improvements to the article is it okay for editors to remove comments and sections that are not discussing improvements to the article?

For example The Amazing Race 12 talk page has comments about Mirna's predictions about the race, which is something that belongs on a fan website not on the talk page. I would like to remove sections that are not discussing improvements, is that okay or should I just leave it alone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davehi1 (talkcontribs) 16:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Matthew Deady

OK, I've expanded the crap out of this to probably FA depth, so could you please copy edit it/make sure everything has been integrated/makes sense for GA? Thank you. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:02, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Asa Finley

Agreed children not necessary, but wanted add more to list of Finley's. For example, William Asa Finley does not have an article at this time and he was Asa Finley's Grandson. I wanted to tie all of these together somehow to show their historical contributions and show they are all related as well. Asa Finley, William Asa Finley, William L. Finley, and Wm. Earl Finley are all related. Can you help me do that..., signed FinleyFamilyMember —Preceding unsigned comment added by FinleyFamilyMember (talkcontribs) 03:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Kate Wilhelm Article

Hello! I'm a fan of Kate Wilhelm's work and I've tried to make some improvements to this article. After checking the article's history and looking up the contributors I discovered that you're a specialist in matters Oregonian. Perhaps you have access to some sources that could add in some details that are out of my reach, such as the details (in precis) of her first marriage and names/birthdates of her children? I'd also like to add a small biographical outline if possible; education, other employment, etc. Can you help? (Please reply on this page.) Retarius | Talk 05:11, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

KQIV (defunct) Revision

I noticed you placed:

"This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding reliable references. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed." on the article: KQIV (defunct). I wrote the original and expanded it with the help of EncMstr. When you have a moment, would you please visit the talk page: Talk:KQIV (defunct) and let me know what improvements you would like to see? Thanks! Millerjoel (talk) 17:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Kettle Foods

hello, do I need to send you documents from my years at Kettle Foods? And if I need to send you more information I will get it for you. Thanks Michael Slocum —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:21, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Even if you send me documents (and I'm not interested in seeing them, no), it's still original research. Get your story published in a third-party source and then we'll be in business. Katr67 (talk) 00:55, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! and question - AND a leetle bug I spotted

Thanks: for putting the cake on User_talk:Peteforsyth! I have a certain Vested Interest....

Question: I noticed Oy vey on your user page. Is "what you want to do about it" to gradually poke through and correct all the "reigns" that should be "reins"? This is something I could do a little chipping away at too, if you like - just let me know if you do any more than make the correction (and how you like to "describe" it). Or if there's anything else special I should know about the mini-project. (I tried look up Wikignome but you see what I found!)

Bug: I've tried several times to add this comment by clicking on your "Leave me a message here" in the box at the top of your page - but when I do, then when I try to "Save page" it tells me I am not logged in! The first time it did this I logged in again, then came here very carefully (being sure each new move showed me as "Logged in"), happened again! Several times. Ah, Bugland....

Best, —Martha (talk) 23:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Martha! I was chipping away at it quite some time ago, but I got bored. There are so very many of them. I have a more thorough explanation here. As I recall, I was using AWB and just changing the one word, though AWB makes other changes automatically. I think I just summarized it as reigns-->reins. WikiGnoming is pretty fun with AWB if you haven't tried it. You just need to ask for permission. Hmm. I wasn't aware of the bug, since I don't usually start topics on my own page. I'll have to check that out. I haven't updated the code on that box in a long time, and I think they changed the little "+" that used to be at the top of the page, which is what I based it on... Thanks for caring about homonyms! Katr67 (talk) 23:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, I tested it on a PC and Explorer and I didn't have that problem, both with and without "remember me" checked when I was logged in. What are you using? Katr67 (talk) 23:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi again (I'm in a very busy time so didn't catch your replies - thanks though) - I just tried clicking the "here" thing again, before doing it. (Just to be sure I hadn't made it up!) I'm using a PC (with Windows XP and Firefox) and sure enough, when I click on "here", the top of the page no longer has my user stuff, and shows "Log in or create and account". I do NOT have "remember me" checked, and I used the "secure login".
On the Gnome and homonym stuff - maybe I'm just exhausted by the weekend (I'm certainly that!) but I don't think I want to get into it in a major way at this point. Working from (or generating and then working from) a search list is something I could imagine doing a little of, but signing up and learning how to use a new tool....makes all those things I really Should Be Doing look pretty attractive! But maybe someday. Best, Martha (talk) 01:20, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

feedback notice and facts

I have found repeated inaccuracies and holes in the area of Pacific Northwest Insects. I am not a professional in the field but I am a woodsman and a 6th generation 52 year old resident of the Puget Sound area. I know what Crane Fly is and how large they become. The article is obviously in error. When I mentioned the size of these pests listed to household members etc it was greeted with great amusement. You may know Oregon, but you certainly have not spent a summer on Puget Sound it you have not encountered Crane Flies approaching the size of Dragon Flies. The creepy s---ts appeared here in the early 70's and have been growing in size each year from much the size of a large mosquitos to the Battlecruisers we have today. Frankly, I do not care if Wiki looks like an ass. So please leave the article as I found it. It'll make a fun topic when discussing your organization. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:05, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I think this must be ancient history, I don't remember the edit you're talking about, so I'll have to go look at the edit history. Meanwhile, see my FAQ re: "You may know Oregon, but....". Also, I spent six summers on Puget Sound. Yay for us. But original research doesn't belong on Wikipedia. As for "please leave the article as I found it, you might also read WP:OWN. Katr67 (talk) 15:50, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Yep, 8 days ago is ancient history for me :) So, I see the problem with your edits. You weren't signed in, and you didn't provide an edit summary or a citation to a reliable source for the increase in number. Anonymous vandals do subtle vandalism like changing a couple numbers all the time and the crane fly article is the target of a great deal of vandalism. I'll post a welcome template on your page so you can learn more about how Wikipedia works and that will give instructions on how to sign up for an account, if you choose. I agree the muthas are creepy, but unless you can find a citation for the size increase, your observations are what is classified as original research. I know that WSU and the State of Washington have excellent entomologists, and if there were crane flies the size of B-52 bombers, they would love to hear about it, so perhaps you could contact someone in one of those agencies who could help you find the appropriate references. I hope that helps! Further discussion about crane flies should go on the crane fly talk page. Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 16:06, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Mark Hatfield

I believe I am done with the expansion for the former gov/sen. Could you kindly copy edit it, as I'm thinking its broad enough/cited enough for FA now. Thank you. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:29, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I did a quick fix, running it through the spelling/grammar checker on Word, not sure when I'll get around to a closer look. Be sure to heed my new disclaimer in my FAQ! Slackerly yours, Katr67 (talk) 18:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

plagiarism in another language

Hi, please tell me what the rules are about this? I have discovered a german author is taking my website work and translating it and entering it on the german wikipedia. Is there anything I can do? ThanksKwonder (talk) 23:57, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Are you still watching this? I'm not sure if this is plagiarism or not, maybe ask at the Village Pump and see if they know where to ask to find someone who can rewrite the German so that it's not a direct copy? Katr67 (talk) 18:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
My understanding (as a sometimes-translator) is that it is not copyirght infringement to translate something. Everything centers on the use of the material made. Translations often become new creations. Since wikipedia is supposed to work on a different principle afaik, cooperation, maybe you should contact the wiki translator directly? If it IS a copyright issue, i.e., your original material (I can't tell from the post), tell the translator to knock it off post-haste. It probably falls under plagarism (although wikipedia doesn't seem to enforce this policy very stringently, at least not until it is brought to someone's attention). Hypatea (talk) 00:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Valerie Day

Heh, you are using one of my favorite tactics. Anyway, the guy was being pointy. I hadn't seen the article on the Heathman before, but then there are 2.3 million articles in Wikipedia now, & I'm sure I haven't even glanced at 90% of them. I don't have any source for that article, but my librarian friend gave me a book on the Multnomah County Library that I've been meaning to mine for Wikipedia -- drop me a line when it becomes a COTW, & I'll put out one of my round tuits. In the same line, I've long been tempted to write an article on a local Portland businessman by the name of Tom Petersen -- known 20 years ago for his commercials, & likely passable on the notability test because he has a few cameos in different Gus van Sant movies. (I'd have to dig through years of old Willamette Week to find reliable sources to keep the BLP squad content, though.) And hope to see you at a WikiWednesday soon, too. -- llywrch (talk) 05:23, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Wake up! Wake up! Are you kidding? Tom Peterson must be notable. He's listed in imdb after all... Katr67 (talk) 18:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Wow. I didn't think anyone under 35 had even heard about Tom. -- llywrch (talk) 21:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, I am 40. See username. I don't know if I'm blessed with good genetics or a perpetual lack of maturity... Katr67 (talk) 21:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

you're so old school

I'm glad you got to that. There was a mention of the "Jefferson Institute" as well; got anything on that? --Esprqii (talk) 23:20, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing my D'oh moment on the name there. This is the place from which to start. I've been avoiding Jefferson Institute, it's much more complicated and work on that means improving Rickreall, Oregon and a couple other things. I just took a look at List of colleges and universities in Oregon#Defunct institutions and became terrified. Katr67 (talk) 23:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Gulp. That is an intimidating list all right. Great link. The JI was also mentioned in an article I saw (but now can't find) on William Lair Hill, who I was trying to track down after AM's Mary Leonard article. Cool nugget about the pheasants; who knew??! --Esprqii (talk) 23:38, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
I know, huh? O.N. Denny is just ripe for a DYK... Katr67 (talk) 23:42, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Butting in for a moment: Horner had a lot on the old schools, and I think something about a pheasant. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Indeed, see page 232. (Googling "Denny Pheasant" also has a bunch...) --Esprqii (talk) 23:55, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

(unindent) Looks like lots of great stuff here--I keep running across those old Education Dept. reports. My formerly Civil War obsessed pal has the Webfoot book, I'll have to borrow it. Katr67 (talk) 23:58, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


Can you look up this edit in OGN? I did once before, I'm pretty sure it says the name derives from the pass in the Bitterroots, and that one derives from some mountain man. But I don't remember for sure, definitely not well enough to cite anything. Thanks! -Pete (talk) 22:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

But it will do no good to argue, will it? But I'll see what I can do when I get home... Katr67 (talk) 22:56, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Coquille, Oregon

This article states that the name of the place derived from Coquille people which means those tribes used to live in this place. Are those people still live here? Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 04:22, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

First read Coquille people, then read Coquille Indian Tribe and Confederated Tribes of Siletz then check in with the Coquille Tribe and the Confederated Tribes of the Siletz. I have no personal knowledge of any Coquille tribal members literally living Coquille, Oregon, but according to the articles they do live in the general area. Why do you ask? BTW, where are you from? Katr67 (talk) 04:32, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Our Web Site

I keep adding our Web Site to Lafayette Oregon and it keeps going away. Our web site is and I think that it should be on the wiki page. If I am doing something wrong please let me know so I can fix it.

Thank you,

Darrell Flood —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teagle7 (talkcontribs) 04:00, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Since you are the former mayor of Lafayette, Oregon, I'd suggest you read about conflict of interest. If you look at the article's page history, you will see that the link isn't going away, it was removed (eight times!) because it does not comply with our external links guidelines. Also, if you had read the notices placed on your talk page, you would see that "Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites with which you are affiliated..." Wikipedia is not a place to promote any particular idealogy, nor is it a soapbox. Also your sole contributions to Wikipedia are to add the link to your site, which here on Wikipedia is considered the behavior of a spammer. See also:
Basically, we would prefer you add content, not links. If you have further questions or would like to know where you can seek a third opinion (though it is likely they will tell you much the same thing) please let me know. Katr67 (talk) 05:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


Hello WikiProject Oregon participants, time for another edition of Collaboration of the Week. Last week we made some great improvements to Wallowa-Whitman National Forest and Oregon Ballot Measure 47 (1996), with a DYK for the forest. Great job everyone! This week we have another stub, George Lemuel Woods, one of only two governor stubs left, and should be an easy job getting it to Start class. Then, in honor of the long weekend, we have our second State Park Article Creation Drive. Lots of red links to turn blue, lots of opportunities for DYKs. Help if you can, even if it is only adding pictures of state parks. To opt out of these messages, leave your name here, or click here to make a suggestion. May the The Schwartz be with you. Aboutmovies (talk) 10:26, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

South Eugene High School

I did not add a majority of these "non-notables," and the one that I did add has a record contract, as you can see if you visit the website that I linked to. Please do not start an edit war. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Axeman (talkcontribs) 17:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmroo? I think you are mistaken about what an edit war is. Unless you've reverted my changes already. Did you? That might be considered the first salvo in an edit war. You should also assume good faith. Why do you think I thought you added the non-notable people? I didn't say you did. Some of them have been on the list for a long time and I finally got around to it cleaning up. Sometimes seeing someone working on something I have on my watchlist gives me the incentive to do some long-needed work. Oh and for the record, having a record contract does not make a person notable--see the notabilty guideline for bands. The general consensus for articles associated with WikiProject Oregon (which you should feel free to join!) is that lists of notable people should include only people who already have an article on Wikipedia. This cuts down on the frequent spam/advertising/vanity entries that we are constantly removing from such lists. Thanks for your work on the article. Let me know if you need any more information. Katr67 (talk) 18:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Ah, I see you blanket-reverted all my changes, which included a needed revision to the editor's note at the top of the section (people really don't get alphabetization--see the Julia Anne Robertson entry), a tag calling for more references as much of the article is unreferenced, some formatting changes which included redirecting the names of certain band members to their band, removing an actress who only has one acting credit and no other notability, the aforementioned singer, and a few other redlinks two of which have been there for at least six months. (And as much as I respect the McChesney family, I'm not sure Bill, rest in peace, is notable). You might disagree about the notability of the singer, not sure if you care about the others or not, and this is certainly negotiable, but it sucks to blanket revert other useful changes. So...Whoa there, pardner. Katr67 (talk) 18:55, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
In point of fact, you were doing blanket revisions to the changes that I made. You were starting an edit war. I am trying to add information to WIkipedia; you are trying to remove it. Furthermore, I believe that arranging the alumni chronologically made more sense than alphabetically. It is not about class, but about the passage of time. No cared about class during high school, much less after. More, importantly, if you'll notice, I conceded on that point and did not try to argue or edit it further as it wasn't as important as including the people themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Axeman (talkcontribs) 19:37, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Alrighty then. Have a nice day and good luck. Katr67 (talk) 20:10, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

South Eugene High School

(re: Julia Anne Robinson (Class of 1968) actor, The King of Marvin Gardens.) Hi

Please add Julia to the list for people of interest. You can check it out if you Google her or check the Axeman web site for 1968.

Thank you Don—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 03:57, May 23, 2008

julie payne?

Please note: Julie Payne the actor on TV was born in 1940, if someone is adding that name to list I do not think it is the same one as the actor.Please check and look her up.

Thanks, Don

Also I thought the list on notables were by grad date my bad, did not look to well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:39, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I don't own the South article, you might want to argue for the inclusion of Robinson on the article's talk page. The list isn't for people "of interest" it is for people who are considered notable by Wikipedia standards. Though I'm sure she was a very nice person, I don't think she meets the criteria. You can read about notability here: WP:NOTE. If you think she would pass the notability criteria, create an account and write a well-referenced article about her, but remember that Wikipedia is not a memorial. As for Payne, if you click on the link you will see there are two actors by that name. Is there a third who went to South? Is she notable? Since there aren't any references, that link should probably be removed. I won't be working much on the article anymore however. High school articles are fraught with peril and doomed to not measure up to Wikipedia standards I'm afraid. I did the best I could, but it's too much of a hassle. I'd suggest seeking out a third opinion. Katr67 (talk) 05:08, 23 May 2008 (UTC)


I know Pete said on his talk page that you had been offered nomination by someone else, were you going to accept that? Or did you want a double nom? I have lots of free time now to write something up. VegaDark (talk) 22:42, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Scientizzle had a nom written up and Pete was going to co-nom, but I've decided not to try for now. I'll let you know if I change my mind. Thanks very much for the offer! Katr67 (talk) 01:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


Hey c'mon, neeed feeedback! :) -Pete (talk) 05:00, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Busy. Doin' stuff. And still have to visit cats. Day off tomorrow=sleep dep is a go. Yay! So, latr, Katr67 (talk) 05:02, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Still busy, but I'll make it up to you. I found an Oregon Historical Quarterly all about the Columbia River when I was in Silverton. Want it? Katr67 (talk) 19:22, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Pete, stop blogging and pay attention... Katr67 (talk) 19:27, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

WP:ORE tagging

To save a bit of typing (for AWB?), the class=template, class=category and class=portal may be omitted to {{WikiProject Oregon}} when it is placed in those namespaces. A naked template works just as well in all those, except I think Portals process an importance parameter.

It seems you embraced the image request categories I proposed. Do you have a suggestion for regional areas like where Barton, Oregon and Buxton, Oregon are? They seem a bit far out to be Portland region, but Willamette Valley seems silly. —EncMstr (talk) 05:47, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

re: Portal. Cool, thanks. I figured I'd tag first and ask questions later, since the portal-class didn't seem to quite fit into our new scheme. Re: image categories--yes, I was being BOLD! I think Barton is close enough to civilization to count as Portland region, but once you start getting into the mountains and the timber region of Columbia county (Manning, Vernonia, Timber, Clatsakanie, etc.), I think those places should probably be "Northern Oregon Coast Range"--Would the "Northern Coast area" be too much of a stretch or should there be another category? I think the rest of the Coast Range is more easily sorted into Coast vs. Valley. Thanks for all the work on the template--sorry I wasn't better at explaining my vision! Katr67 (talk) 19:22, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
You revealed features I never suspected in {{WikiProject Oregon}} with your last additions to Template talk:WikiProject Oregon/Temp. Current-Class, Future-Class, and Redirect-Class are new classes to me. I should have expected Redirect, but I haven't a clue what Current and Future might be for, and the linked page by the description hasn't made me any wiser. I think I'll ask at WPOR. —EncMstr (talk) 04:51, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


Not sure what you are looking for. Are you asking me to create categories? They are easy to create and then populate over time. Or is it some sort of mass input of articles into categories that you are looking for? Ot if you create Oregon categories, I can sure make the categories above them. Hmains (talk) 03:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

No, I just thought since you do a lot of category work you might have some idea how to sort these out. I'll take a stab at it, I'm sure you'll move things around eventually. Katr67 (talk) 04:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, I have no special knowledge of this subject. My cat work is often just reorganizing things more logically or providing an organization where none exists. Hmains (talk) 03:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
OK, thanks, if I get anywhere with this I'll give you another heads up. I'm going to add country and state cats as necessary, the tricky part is separating "forestry" from "logging". It's not a real clearcut (pun only partially unintentional) distinction. Katr67 (talk) 19:31, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Monastery of Our Lady of Jordan, Oregon

I got Gwen Gale to restore it. I'm guessing that the building is mostly of significance today architecturally speaking, or maybe because of the impact the monastery had on the region or something. Your sources are great (it wasn't a copyvio delete, it was an asserting importance issue), but try and make clearer early on why it's important, at least so people who aren't interested in this sort of thing like we are can tell. Good work Katr! VanTucky 03:28, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


Hey, thanks for your help! Primus Agustus Magnus (talk) 02:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)Primus Agustus Magnus

You're welcome! As a non-Catholic, I had no idea nuns could be so interesting! See you around the wiki, Katr67 (talk) 02:55, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Lewis & Clark Bicycle Trail article

I have modified the article regarding your concerns about containing "how-to" information, both by editing that portion of the article and rearranging the article. I believe this addresses your concerns. Kerry Irons (talk) 19:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I saw that, thanks a lot, I'll take a look and remove the tags. Happy cycling! Katr67 (talk) 19:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

X marks the WPOR COTW spot

Guten Tag WikiProject Oregon team members! Great job last week with the Collaboration of the Week, we improved George Lemuel Woods and added eleven new state park articles. This past week we also surpassed the 6000 article mark as a project. The weather may suck, but WPORE is not. For this week we have by request Music of Oregon and Phil Knight. Both need some help, and with Knight we might be able to improve it to GA standards. Once again, to opt out of these messages, leave your name here, or click here to make a suggestion. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:21, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Looks familiar

Notice where Rachael Ray is standing? Aboutmovies (talk) 20:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, the blogosphere is afire with this. And we don't even have a DD anymore. I thought about mentioning it on the talk page incase the vandalism increased, but...nah. I think someone posted one of your pics to his/her blog too. So back in the super bohemian and scarfy 1980s, kaffiyeh were just a scarf like any other and only slightly subersive. How soon they forget. Reusable shopping bags act like a revolution too, but we had those in 1990. And I thought I had a crappy memory... Katr67 (talk) 20:42, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Here's your 15 seconds of fame. Katr67 (talk) 20:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Katr67 (talk) 20:54, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I had no idea what a controversy this was or that The Oregonian would take the time to point out the cap connection. And your memory may be bad, but at least you've never been to Silverdale, Oregon! Aboutmovies (talk) 21:03, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Music of Oregon

Latarski: Seems like we should be able to find enough to establish notability, although being a musician it's hard to find actual articles via Google amidst all the cd-store and MP3 sites.

Classical: There's already articles on the various Eugene classical outlets, but I'm not sure how much significant they would be in relation to a general article on music in Oregon. More worthy of inclusion, methinks, would be Tomas Svoboda, the Portland-based composer.

Other Eugene stuff: Dan Siegel grew up in Eugene, went to UO, and spent the first few years of his career here. Trey Gunn also went to UO and released local recordings here before hooking up with Robert Fripp and eventually becoming a member of King Crimson for several years, but I doubt if that fully qualifies him as an "Oregon musician". The Robert Cray Band started out in Eugene. Plenty of other good and bad bands, but I can't think of much else that would notable and/or verifiable.

If I dredge up anything else, I'll let ya know. --Finngall talk 22:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Trey! Of course. My pals and I caught him as often as we could. He was important in the DIY scene in Eugene in the 1980s so he might merit a mention about the general scene. Did great interactive art/music show things at Maude Kerns and the W.O.W. Hall. Were you aware of him back then or get to see him? I hope so. If not, neener! Hmm. The Blues Brothers/Animal House/Duffy's/Robert Cray connection might be good for a sentence or two. How about Syndicate of Sound? ;) Thanks for your ideas. If you think of any more jazz guys, let me know. There is also Oregon Music Hall of Fame. Latr, Katr67 (talk) 23:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I caught one or two solo shows (neither at Maude Kerns) during that time and the farewell performance of The Magic If right before he left to study with Fripp, and I still have the tapes he released back then. I've also made sure to catch him when he's returned to town. Ah, memories...still have the albums by Moose Lodge, Michael Billings' White Liberals (recognized him when I was in line with some friends to see Trey-era Crimson at the Roseland), and the late, great Chuck Clearwater... --Finngall talk 17:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh my, I am having such a flashback. This reminded me of the late, great Robert Christie. (R.I.P. Robert, Denise, Ted and John) I don't know if you remember the house fire, on Halloween in 1988 or so on Patterson? Robert gave me authentic smoke-damaged James Thurber book from their apartment. I wish I still had that. So I was looking for stuff on Robert and I ran across this treasure trove of 1980s Eugene scene videos from Steve Nordby. Check out this Snakepit video: it gives me chills. Various members of Snakepit (like Mike Johnson) went onto greater things, of course. Here is Robert in Some Velvet Sidewalk. Also check out when Steve Perry wanted to sound like R.E.M. (this is a reunion show) Nobody would believe it if they weren't around back then. Tim went on to the Best Kissers in the World and we all know what happened with Dan and Steve. I'll have to look around, I bet I was at some of those shows... "They" should release all those ____ on 13th cassettes on CD. And I gotta write that Snakepit article... Katr67 (talk) 19:54, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Michigan logging wheels

After discussion with the editor who created the article, it has been decided to remove the red text. It wasn't a case of owning the article, but getting consensus. The question was flagged up on the article's talk page long before you changed it without discussion. I'm happy to go with the change and the text is now in black.Mjroots (talk) 16:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, generally I don't discuss basic copy editing and manual of style edits, as these for the most part don't need consensus. If I did, I would get a lot less work done here. Like I said, this didn't appear to be a good use of WP:IAR (per WP:MOSCOLOR). I didn't think to check the talk page because having seen a lot of well-intentioned but goofy formatting, it seemed like it was a case of that. I was thinking, "well, so the iconic color for John Deere is green, Catepillar is yellow...", and that this could set a very very bad precedent. So we've made good use of the "WP:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle", and everybody is happy. Yay! Katr67 (talk) 17:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Tillamook Cheese

Why did you take out my links on Tillamook Cheese? Thank you for saying hi on my page. Jack Russell Lover 11:36 PM 2 June 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by JackRussellLover (talkcontribs) 06:38, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

yoiu might want to chime in at

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#"Unrealiable prodders". --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 16:11, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

AfD by The Enchantress Of Florence

I'm not sure of the procedure, but it appears that this user is de-prodding all the people that agreed with her rebuke at [1]. It's really kind of frustrating, is there some action that should be taken? Shoopdawhoop-lazor (talk) 06:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

She seems to have stopped for now. I think mostly she is going after Qworty's edits, because the article I prodded that she deprodded is a pretty clear case of non-notability and I've never encountered her before, and I doubt very highly anyone would consider my edits to be unreliable. I think the only ones she deprodded were the articles to which Qworty added a {{prod2}} tag like Zena Timber. It looks like several admins are keeping an eye on the situation, since she's very close to getting blocked for incivility or disruption. In the meantime, since the prods can no longer quietly run their course, the best thing to do, if you think the deprodded articles still merit deletion, is to take them to Afd, which is the next step in a contested prod, whether or not the deprodding was improper. At Afd many more uninvolved editors can chime in, and the articles will either be improved or they will be deleted after a thorough discussion, and most of the time it's hard to argue with that. Other than that, I'd suggest editing someplace else for a while. Katr67 (talk) 06:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
cool, thanks for the suggestion. It's kinda weird to get caught up in something I merely had glancing contact with. cheers, Shoopdawhoop-lazor (talk) 07:01, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Merci Beaucoups!

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on The Crazy 8's article - that was very nice! Not that many people are helping out with it, so thanks! BlackPearl14Pirate Lord-ess of the Caribbean 16:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Eric J. Wilson

They do not have to run for 5 days, that is just the norm. Consensus was strongly in favor of deletion and I agreed. Therefore I closed it. Happy editing, Malinaccier (talk) 20:45, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

RE: EngineWorks, Inc

Do you have some ideas to make this less "salesy" - I tried my best to take out any words that sound boasting and tried to keep it as informative and historical as possible. ScottFish (talk) 15:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, wording like "our world-class search marketing services" have to go. Encyclopedias need to be written in the third person and "world-class" is not coming from a neutral point-of-view. Most of the information about the founders is filler. The article should be about the company, not the owners, unless they are somehow notable. I also see that all the references are either from your website, or are press releases or trivial mentions. Articles on Wikipedia need to have third party citations to reliable sources. As the article currently stands, an editor would be completely justified in sending it for deletion. There is nothing in the article that indicates the company is notable. Reliable third party sources would be an article (not just a mention) in Portland Business Journal, or better the Oregonian. See WP:CORP for more information. With sentences like "The company’s SEO services add relevancy elements to Web sites that can be recognized by search engine algorithms in order to generate Natural search listings", well, I believe all SEO's do that, and since we have an article on SEOs, people can click on that to find out more. So having a sentence like that in the lead makes the article sound like a sales brochure. Like I posted on your talk page, it's best if you declare any conflict of interest up front. I see you are the director of the SEO. Be sure to read our business FAQ also. Call me cynical but when an SEO posts an article about itself, well, that's all part of their business, yes? Remember that Wikipedia is not here to provide free advertising space. I see you have a page at AboutUs. If this article is deleted, concentrate on expanding that page--that's what they are there for--and wait until your company is notable enough for someone else to write the article. If all else fails, check out "SEO Tips & Tactics From a Wikipedia Insider" from respected editor Durova to learn how not to run afoul of our COI and spam guidlines. Katr67 (talk) 19:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I added 2 3rd party references - the bruce clay blog coverage link and a link to Sean's Speaker Bio from SMX advanced. ScottFish (talk) 19:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I am also going to go through and take out the "Salesy" language today. Thanks for your help. I will make the necessary changes so that the article meets the standards. ScottFish (talk) 19:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Good luck. Note that the Expo bio is trivial and likely sourced from one of your press releases, and blogs aren't considered reliable sources. Did I mention the 3rd party sources should also be "independent"? Katr67 (talk) 19:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I am hoping the changes that I just made will help. Would it be more prudent to add a "Request edit" tag? ScottFish (talk) 19:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Willamette meteorite

Hi! You can read my answer on the talk page. Basilicofresco (talk) 14:28, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your concern

I apologize for not responding sooner to you and Pete. There is much I admire about Wikipedia and the Oregon Project and you folks are at the top of the list. If I had not seen your comments about Rogue Ales I would never have taken the plunge into editing and learned as much as I have about Wikipedia. Unfortunately I don't have the bottomless reservoir of patience it takes to deal with those aspects of Wikipedia I don't admire so I've decided to focus on some other things right now. I do check in on the OP discussion page and read my COTW message, perhaps later I will contribute actively again.Awotter (talk) 19:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

A is for Apple at COTW

Hello again to those of the WikiProject we call Oregon. Time for another edition of Collaboration of the Week. Last week there was some good improvements to Music of Oregon and Phil Knight, great job everyone. This week, by request is the Applegate Trail, which is short enough to easily conjure up a DYK. Then, I’m trying something a little different, with the Portland State stuff. We included the two high profile schools during Civil War week last year, so now its time for the younger sibling that gets no respect to get some attention. After all, it is the largest college in the state. Feel free to help with whatever aspects you like, though to help with some ideas I added some to the article talk page. Click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Nana na na, hey hey hey, goouud byeeee. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Name change question

Godevening I have a ask abut username and change it to a globale name. I have the username svenboatbuilder in Sweden from February 2006 with more then 2000 edits, and like to change to only the name boatbuilder what I reedy done the account for in Swedish wikipedia. But I see in English wiki is a username boatbuilder from year 2005 with only four edits!

  • (cur) (last) 06:41, 2 October 2005 Boatbuilder (Talk | contribs) (undo)
  • (cur) (last) 06:34, 2 October 2005 Boatbuilder (Talk | contribs) (undo)
  • (cur) (last) 06:32, 2 October 2005 Boatbuilder (Talk | contribs) m (undo)
  • (cur) (last) 19:25, 1 October 2005 Boatbuilder (Talk | contribs)

Its is a possibility that I can have this uername boatbuilder for my future global account, or what to do do with its question? Thanks for take yours time. Svenboatbuilder (talk) 22:24, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi, are you asking me because you saw my question posted at Wikipedia talk:Changing username/Usurpations? I don't know much about the process, but Wikipedia:Changing username/Usurpations is the page where you should put in the request, I can't really help you with that, I'm not an administrator. Good luck! Katr67 (talk) 23:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

no prob

Nope, it's all yours now. I'd like to figure out which name came first, Public or Municipal. And you know, I've never had a problem with ECs...if I get the warning, I just use the back button, cut and paste what I wrote, check that nothing good was added (never, I'm so sure), and then paste in what I was gonna paste. Is that wrong? Oh well. Anyway, I'm off to go register Katr01-65 and 69 through 00 now. Maybe I'll take esprqaa, esprqee, esprqoo, and esprquu while I'm at it--oh, and maybe esprqøø too, you never know. --Esprqii (talk) 04:55, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Keller Auditorium

Happy to be of service! Cheers. Edelmand (talk) 05:59, 10 June 2008 (UTC)



Hello, I was wondering if you were considering doing anything for the state Sesquicentennial, or if you were interested in getting involved in our partner program (being part of Oregon Wiki project). You can reach me, or the organization in general, via our website The person to get in touch with (and whoever answers the phone will be able to get you in touch with them) would be the chairman of the Youth Legacy Subcommittee, or you could show up for our public board meeting this friday at Lewis and Clark University. (talk) 05:51, 11 June 2008 (UTC)H. August


Since I see it on your to do list, this is waiting for the article. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:21, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, very nice! I found out some stuff about the Red Electric rail line through there. I had to return all my library books (you'd think I could get around to using them in 8 weeks...) but I can probably come up with a stub on the place. Latr, Katr67 (talk) 23:46, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
BTW, I noticed this looks an awful lot like this. I couldn't come up with anything tying them together in Google though. Katr67 (talk) 23:55, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
They probably bought the same blueprints from Sears. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Removing "needs additional citations" tags that have been placed on an article

Hi, katr67 -- I've been working to improve the article United States Artists and plan to continue to do so. It's no longer an unreferenced article and notability is shown. What's the procedure for getting the tags removed? Thanks! Leoniana (talk) 05:15, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Trying to build sources for Mary Anne Radmacher‎ article

Hi Katr67

I read Mary Anne's book and am familiar with her poetry. She has been cited as being a modern Oregon poet in The new Oxford Dictionary of American Quotations so I thought it would be a nice addition to wiki. I'm trying to build sources, maybe you could help me. She has published works, Lean Forward into Life and I read soon (August) Live Boldly.

Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akesler (talkcontribs) 17:18, June 13, 2008

Your user name also indicates that you or a family member is involved in her website, which may indicate a conflict of interest, which I alerted you to on your user page. If I weren't assuming good faith, that would make me think you are interested in using the article to promote her work, and Wikipedia is not here to provide free advertising space. But I'll assume good faith for now, so if she has been cited in the Oxford Dictionary, then all you have to do is use the citation in the article, which I see you have. These citation guidelines should also help. To indicate notability you will need to provide a few more reliable, non-trivial, third-party sources. See our notability criteria for more information. I see you're trying to make the article more neutral, keep it up! Since you seem to know the subject ask her if her work has been written about substantially in any reliable source publications, for example the Statesman Journal, better yet the Oregonian, and even better yet, in national publications. I hope this helps. Katr67 (talk) 01:09, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


I met the artist through a family member who worked for her for a short time, which is link on her website. This is when I first was exposed to her work. I know there are more sources, and will get them. Thank you for helping, this was the first time I've put an article up. I've been trying to make the article be as objective as possible, if there is anything outside of the sources I could do, please feel free to comment.

Chaim 05:57, 18 June 2008 (UTC)


I was browsing random articles and noticed the redlink. I'd been looking for a project to occupy me for some time, and that took up I think 3 days. I'll probably look more at filling in data on other missing native-american articles actually, found the process quite interesting :). How did you find it? your interest in oregon articles, or was it on a "to do" list? If so, I apologise for nicking your fun :P.Ironholds 23:55, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Six degrees of separation...

Interesting, finding Pete's blog not by way of Wikipedia, but via --Finngall talk 15:22, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

We are everywhere. Pete will be pleased to hear that. So you saw our WP:ORE blog too, didn't you? And you know, it's never too late to join, WP:ORE BTW. We have cookies. Katr67 (talk) 16:19, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Pleased, indeed =) The BlueOregon link, combined with a few others, has made this my blog's highest-traffic day to date -- and it's not even 10:00 am! Thanks for noticing, Finngall… -Pete (talk) 16:28, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

DYK fix

Thanks for deleting DYK category at bottom of my user page--I tried several times, but couldn't figure out how to do it. It obviously took some time to fix all those DYK boxes--thanks!--Orygun (talk) 04:10, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. Thanks for continuing to produce high-quality stuff like Musick Guard Station. I'm loving the cute green kitchen. Sounds like a definite summer destination. Katr67 (talk) 04:22, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Oregon territorial capitals

The Territory of Oregon had three capitals:

  1. Oregon City, Oregon, 1848-1851
  2. Salem, Oregon, 1851-1855
  3. Corvallis, Oregon, 1855
  4. Salem, Oregon, 1855-1859

--Buaidh (talk) 19:51, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not done yet. Katr67 (talk) 19:53, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I went ahead and fixed the capitals in the Oregon Territory for you. --Buaidh (talk) 20:13, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


Hey, didn't mean to usurp your high school salvation work today, but I thought you might've had the week off! Oh well, it will probably get PRODed anyway...I ain't gonna kill myself to save it. --Esprqii (talk) 21:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


Greeting once again WikiProject Oregon Folks. Time for another edition of the Collaboration of the Week. First, thank you to those who helped out on the last few COTWs. This week we have the soon to open Westside Express Service, formerly the Washington County Commuter Rail, so lets see if we can get it up to WPORE standards. Then there is a Coordinates Drive to add coordinates to any articles currently missing them, to help increase readership by allowing them to be shown on Google Earth/Maps. Click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:44, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Marilyn Sewell

Hello! As per your suggestion on the Unitarian Univeralist WikiProject Talk Page, I rewrote the article on Marilyn Sewell. This was a brand new effort, citing four different sources. Let's hope this one stays around!

And in view of your support of the UU WikiProject:

UUbarnstar.gif The Unitarian Universalist Barnstar
For providing input and support to Wikipedia's Unitarian Univeralist coverage. Ecoleetage (talk) 04:10, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, I added a template for the WikiProject Oregon to the Dr. Sewell article's Talk Page. Cheers! Ecoleetage (talk) 04:10, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Awesome! Thanks very much! Katr67 (talk) 06:34, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
And thank you for tipping me off on Dr. Sewell. I was unfamiliar with her, so I learned something fascinating in the process. Ecoleetage (talk) 12:13, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Qrazy sale at COTW! Act now! Total liquidation!

Greetings WikiProject Oregon folks, time for another edition of the Collaboration of the Week! Last week we saw some good improvements made to Westside Express Service, while we also worked on a Coordinates Drive. I don’t know how many articles had the coordinates added to, but thanks to those who helped out. This week we have two more requests: William Clark of Lewis & Clark fame and the famed Oregon Bottle Bill. Hopefully we can work both up to B class. Click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Adios. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:55, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Summer Time in the COTW

Hello again to those of the WikiProject Oregon Clan. Time for another new edition of Collaboration of the Week. Last week there was some good improvements to William Clark and the legendary Oregon Bottle Bill, great job to those who helped out. This week, by request is the Owyhee Reservoir, which is short enough to easily conjure up a DYK. Then, also by request is a red link elimination drive on Oregon newspapers. Feel free to help out with either. Click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:31, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Temple Beth Israel

Thanks for your kind comment. That's exactly what I'm hoping, that these stubs will be an invitation to edit for those with more knowledge about and interest in the individual congregations. And of course it's notable, it's 75 years old, the largest synagogue in Eugene, and, actually, one of only 3 Reconstructionist synagogues currently documented on Wikipedia - and the only one that is affiliated solely with the Reconstructionist movement. Jayjg (talk) 01:14, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

better late than never?

I replied to your query here: WT:Changing_username/Usurpations#When_a_usurp_is_not_a_usurp.3F. cheers, –xeno (talk) 02:57, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Warner Mountains

Why did you revert my changes on the Warner Mountains? The new text is much more complete and accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:38, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I was going to go back an leave an edit summary. I reverted you because you destroyed the wikimarkup. Please try again without removing all the bluelinks to the other wikipedia articles. The whole point of Wikipedia is links to other articles, and it is poor form to remove existing markup. More hints coming on your IP's page. Katr67 (talk) 16:10, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
I didn't mean to destroy anything, but it is not practical to edit the existing article since 98 % of it needs to be changed. I doubt I can figure out the required blueline format so the heck with it. Technical considerations will just have to trump completeness and accuracy! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:17, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry you feel that way. At some point I may try to go back and add the info you have provided. However since none of it is sourced it would help if you could provide sources for your material. The format, however, isn't that hard--please read the links provided and at least try--other editors can take it from there. Katr67 (talk) 19:16, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
The sources are listed as references in my version. I should add my own book as a source as well: Netting the Sun: A Personal Geography of the Oregon Desert published by Washington State University Press. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:45, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
I am working on a book on the Warner Mountains. I guess I would rather spend my time on that than on editing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:48, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Could you please sign your posts with 4 tildes (like this ~~~~)? Thanks. Yes sorry, I did not see that you had included references. Generally when people remove wikimarkup from articles, it sets off our vandalism senors, which tends to make us disregard valid additions. But for future reference it is best if you can cite individual facts using footnotes instead of using general references. (See WP:CITE for help.) This helps out future editors of the article. And actually, you can't cite yourself as a source (see WP:COI) but you can certainly make suggestions on the talk page about changes you'd like to see on the article. But it sounds like Wikipedia may not be the best venue for you. Good luck with your book! Please take any further discussion to the Warner Mountains talk page. I've alerted other editors about the article. Things are a little slow around here because it is summer, but the article is likely to be improved soon. Cheers, Katr67 (talk) 23:25, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

The Warner Mountain page looks much better. Thanks. I could place the referenced numbers in the text at the proper place if I could figure out how to do it. MRA —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 17:03, July 29, 2008

Anvil Media Inc

If you have a second, could you swing by Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Anvil Media Inc since you seem to have some experience with that user group. Maybe you have something to add. :)
Thanks & Cheers, Amalthea (talk) 01:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

It's a start, eh?

Lots of work yet to do, but whaddya think of 2007 Oregon legislative session? -Pete (talk) 08:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Zebras are not allowed to participate at COTW, but penguins may

Howdy ya’ll, its WikiProject Oregon Collaboration of the Week time! Thanks to those who helped improve Owyhee Reservoir and start some new Oregon newspaper article, we had four new ones. This week it is time for a Stub Improvement Drive. So select a Stub, any Stub, and try to improve it to at least a Start class. If you expand it by 5X, then think about nominating it at Did You Know so it can be featured on the main page. Click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:20, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

List of nature centers in the United States

Hi, I saw your tag for this article as a directory, but it is really meant as a list of nature centers. I don't think this list qualifies as such as I understand the definition in Wikipedia. Hopefully, over time all of these organizations will get Wiki articles. Where such articles exist they are linked, but in the meantime this is a good way to get a full list of nature and environmental education centers. No such list currently exists at any site I could find. I hope you will reconsider the tag. Jllm06 (talk) 03:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

It's better if the nature centers are redlinked and the external links used as refs. Articles won't get created if there are no redlinks to them... Katr67 (talk) 04:55, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Lisa LaRue from List of Native American musicians

Why would you delete Lisa LaRue, 2008 Oklahoma Music Awards' Native American Artist of the Year, when lots of the people listed on this page as "Native American" musicians aren't even real Indians? Why 'non-notable?' In Houghton-Mifflin's Reader's Companion to U.S. Women's History, under the Music section, she is listed along with Buffy Ste Marie in the first paragraph as a pioneer in Native American women's music??

Keetoowahchic (talk) 19:36, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

In order to keep down the promotional/vanity entries on that list, as with many others, the entries should be notable enough for a Wikipedia entry, which means they should already have an article, not a redlink. Feel free to create an article on LaRue and I'll look it over. You will need citations to reliable sources. Click on the bluelinked guidelines in this post for pointers, and be looking for a welcome message on your page with more tips. Thanks! Katr67 (talk) 19:42, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


You know, administrators took part of the little spree in 2006 as well. That cast aside, I take WP:DTTR quite seriously. I would prefer if you left the message in a more personal tone - templates tell me and teach me nothing. I know all the policies listed there.

Besides, you decided to single me out when that article is still receiving "Portugal" vandalism? I don't see some of those other anons. getting notes. Maybe because I'm the odd one out... Still, please consider WP:DTTR next time you template someone. Plus, whats the point of having all the "Joke" wikipedia essays and pages if everyone here is looking for seriousness? --haha169 (talk) 22:51, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, my bad. It wasn't fully a template. Very nice improvisation, by the way. Very interesting. You do know that I reverted my own edit? --haha169 (talk) 22:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Actually, I didn't improv the template, and making joke edits on any day other than April Fool's makes you look like a newbie, so sorry, I didn't recognize your name or look into your edit history, and with a name like Haha169, well, that kinda looks like a name a vandal would pick out. I don't know why you feel singled out. I'm not the only one who watches that page. Care to give me diffs? Yes, I did see that you reverted your own edit, but did not have the patience to customize anything to that effect. Like I said in my edit summary, you would lose your sense of humor over the whole Colbert thing too. Would you like me to post the hundreds of reversion diffs? Everyone in WikiProject Oregon has done dozens of them, and edits like yours could make the whole cycle start up again. We even had a whole side controversy about pre-emptively semi-protecting the page when Jimmy was going to appear on Colbert. It was not pretty. The "joke" templates are not in main article space and main article space is not the place to have fun (seriously), except for those of us who think improving articles is fun. So, I say, non-template-ively, but very firmly--Please don't do that again, OK? Thanks and happy editing. Katr67 (talk) 23:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
That was quite a long reply. I am perfectly aware of the troubles vandals cause - you want to see my reverts at A, K, T, etc? They've been going on for the past week! You didn't really have to do anything, and it was reverted within the time-frame of 10 seconds. Plus, you accused me of starting a whole cycle of "Oregon's Portugal", but I seem to see a couple of those cropping up within the last 500 diffs.
You say that it becomes tiring to revert so many Portugal edits - but I don't see why you keep on putting this over me? I reverted it myself within the time-frame of 10 seconds; while other anons did not revert it themselves or get a template. Odd, isn't it?
And I'd like to know that my username has been in use for 3 years on Wikipedia, and one year on commons, and a few months as a unified account, and you're the first one to think my name is a vandal's name. --haha169 (talk) 23:17, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Look, I'm in a very bad mood. Sorry if the reply was long. I do try to explain myself when people have a problem with what I'm doing. I didn't "accuse" you of anything, I used the word "could". I haven't singled you out, and I'm not sure what your problem is. Why don't you Assume Good Faith, realize that my edit to your page was done in the spirit of improving the encyclopedia, I'll remove the template from your page, and I'll request you don't post on my page anymore and I won't post on yours. We're both special. You seem to do good work, and I'm in the top 400 editors by edit count. That and $5 will get me a drink at Starbucks. Feel free to take it to dispute resolution if you wish. Have a lovely day! Katr67 (talk) 23:26, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
For Haha169: Actually, I thought your username was likely to be associated with vandalism, especially when I saw the Oregon-Portugal thing. I'm so weary of that. But I was very glad you self-reverted. —EncMstr (talk) 23:34, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Please take any further discussion to Haha169's page--I have requested that s/he not post here anymore. Thanks. Good day. Katr67 (talk) 23:39, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Abiqua Creek

Hi Katr67. Thanks for the kudos. Photos of the creek would be great as would a pronunciation guide. I've seen those IPA things in articles, but I don't know how to do one. Also, if you have any source for the etymology of "Abiqua", we could include it. Cheers. Finetooth (talk) 20:44, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I wrote my earlier note in haste. I, too, have been saying uh-BEE-qwa, but I have no support for that. I'm completely clueless about the phonetic alphabet; even if I know the correct way to say something, I don't know how to write it phonetically. On the other hand, I see other things I could do to improve the Abiqua Creek article. I will probably come back to it if I can tear myself away from a zillion other projects and squeaky wheels. Thanks for adding the "See also". Finetooth (talk) 04:32, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Yep. Zillions. You're welcome! Katr67 (talk) 16:40, 31 July 2008 (UTC)



Been busy off wiki, so I haven't been editing much.

Don't know anything about Quailhurst, so I'm not in any better position than you to defend its notability, or lack thereof.

--EngineerScotty (talk) 18:36, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. Cooper Mountain Vineyards has been deemed notable, while a friend who used to be a wine industry insider thinks Quailhurst isn't and never heard of it before. So we'll just see what happens on that one. I'll probably end up !voting delete. I hope you are enjoying your summer. I'm looking forward to seeing Captain Bogg and Salty this weekend. Arrrr! Katr67 (talk) 18:43, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Territorial Government of Oregon speedy declined

This was a legitimate use of a redirect, and there was no appropriate speedy deletion criterion. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 20:05, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

NRHP source

I came across this which seems to have many of Oregon's NRHP things, with some details. Didn't know if you had come across it. Enjoy Boring. Aboutmovies (talk) 10:17, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Kettle Foods Update

Hello! I work with Kettle Foods' public relations agency. We'd like to make a few updates to the Kettle Foods page but aren't sure of the best way. After exploring some of our options we thought we'd check with you first to see if you have any suggestions for next steps. The changes aren't drastic and are posted below with citations. When you have a moment, please let me know what you'd recommend - Thanks! Eemx7 (talk) 16:50, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

'Note: Remainder of post containing suggestions moved to Talk:Kettle Foods.

Hi, I don't own the Kettle Foods article, so I'm copying your post and moving your suggestions to the Kettle Foods page, where other editors can weigh in. Thanks for contacting me with the suggestions. You seem to understand that it's best not to make changes to the article yourself, but be sure to read up on conflict of interest and see also our Business FAQ. Thanks! P.S. You might also want to leave a note on the WikiProject Oregon talk page. Katr67 (talk) 02:31, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Bend population

The text you quoted is my source for removing the PSU data. The Census Bureau likewise issues annual population estimates (Oregon's are here), so it's not as if the Census Bureau's latest data are eight years old. I don't see the risk of people pulling numbers out of thin air as that important: surely someone could arrange to watch all Oregon municipalities (I don't have time to do it myself, partly because I'm already watching every community in HI, MT, VT, and WY) and prevent any such unreferenced estimates. What, by the way, do you mean by "partnered" with the Census Bureau? There have been (don't ask me where; I see thousands of municipality articles, so I've not a chance at remembering) one or two municipalities, perhaps in Iowa, where the Census Bureau either sponsored or officially certified a local census in 2005, which certainly would pass the WP:CITY requirements. Does the Census Bureau officially promote the use of the PSU data, or otherwise mention it? I'm not trying to challenge or bring up tiny little points: it's just that I'm unfamiliar with the PSU data, and curious how it would fit the WP:CITY requirements, as I don't think there's any need to IAR in this case. Nyttend (talk) 22:15, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I believe I'm the person who reverted your changes. First question is what does WP:CITY have to do with this? Does that project own all city articles? The PSU data passes WP:RS, and frankly that should be the end of it. The PSU data (if you read the link provided) is the official estimates for Oregon, and it is more recent than the data you wanted to use. So, more recent, passes the Wikipedia guideline as a RS, so to me that means you use it. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:48, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

How do I get my article into Wikipedia?


I have just written my first article (resides on my user page) about the living U.S. writer Howard Norman. I think it is complete with footnotes and such, but how do I get it into the actual encyclopedia?

After that I need to clear my user page and load in my second article about the Oregon writer Sandra Scofield.

Thanks for being a mentor on this great Web project!

SwcJholmes (talk) 20:09, 8 August 2008 (UTC) Jon

Just one comment on your recent copy edit to Mariel Zagunis

I'll fix it myself, but just for future reference, the round of 16 does not equal the 16th round.. it's a way to say the "Round where only 16 competitors were left"

It goes Finals,Semi-Finals, Quarter Finals, Round of 16, Round of 32,Round of 64, Etcetera :D SirFozzie (talk) 19:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Ooops, sorry, I just thought it was clunky translation. Feel free to fix it, I gotta run. Thanks again, Katr67 (talk) 19:39, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
P.S. I fence dry and don't watch TV, so I don't follow Olympic stuff too much...maybe it would be good to find a way to word the article to clarify what you just explained to me? Katr67 (talk) 19:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Butting in. Round of 16 might do it. Finetooth (talk) 19:54, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Ah, perfect, thanks! I don't have anything to do with sports except for fencing, cycling and minor league baseball... Katr67 (talk) 22:02, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

1 Year of the Collaboration of the Week

Hello again to those of WikiProject Oregon. It is time again for another Collaboration of the Week. The last two weeks were a Stub Improvement Drive, and thank you to those who improved any Stubs.

This week marks the one week anniversary of the COTW, so a brief highlight reel:

  • At least 10 DYKs
  • Three articles passed GA after being listed at COTW
  • Probably around 25 articles started
  • Almost all Top importance articles are now better than Stub class

And now on with our countdown. This week we have two requests, the Willamette Meteorite and Tom McCall. Hopefully we can get both to GA quality. Click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Thank you. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:40, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

References on Nike Oregon Project

Hi Katr! I wanted to learn more about References formats, which appear to be not so consistent. Your changes today were to some references which had been unchanged since the Oregon Project article was first written, which got me curious. I should mention that I don't disagree with anything you did, I just want to learn the right way, since I'm a rookie at Wiki (and you're obviously a veteran).

The format you've used seems to make the user perform extra steps to get at the reference information. I guess my questions would be: 1. Why delete the text Wired Magazine from that section? IMO, it's marginally more helpful to see the source without having to mouse over the number. My preference as a user would be to add text labels to every reference, rather than the other way around. 2. The way things were in the previous version, I was able to see the reference where the footnoted text appears (by mousing over the number in the body of the article). Why is it preferable to make the user travel down the page to see the reference link? No big deal, to be sure, but it seems to make the process slightly less convenient from a usability standpoint. Again, an extra step for the user.

That's it--just wanted to pick up some tips. Thanks for reviewing the article so quickly. Tracktowner (talk) 22:56, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

"Because of the difficulties in associating them with their appropriate full references, the use of embedded links for inline citations is not particularly recommended as a method of best practice and is not found in featured articles." I don't always do everything perfectly the first time, but I like to make progress. I added ref tags but I didn't fill out the citation information because I was being lazy. References sections using the <ref></ref> tags, which renders the refs as footnotes is preferable to the embedded links that were there previously. Go ahead and add text labels to the references if you wish. There is also a bot that eventually comes around and converts the bare references to titled links. The most basic info to add would be the source and title, it's also good to add the date and the date the info was accessed if it is an online source. See WP:CITE for more information on citations. I often use citation templates when I have the time, but they aren't necessary (and you can leave out the fields you don't use). However, because links go dead all the time, it is nice to fully cite a source, if it was originally a print article, with the publication date, author name, etc., so it will be easy to verify the info later. The Wired link was rendered redundant by the footnoted links. I hope that helps! Katr67 (talk) 23:22, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

That's great, thanks! I've already followed your link to that WP:CITE article, which is very detailed, and will help me "get better." See you again soon! (I browse Oregon topics quite a bit.) Tracktowner (talk) 23:30, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Katr! A thousand apologies, but I have been trying to add the text parts of the References as discussed, and have managed to mess things up. The former third reference (about Jerry Schumacher) is okay; the Altitude for All reference came out okay; but the former fourth reference (about Matt Tegenkamp) got combined with the third one somehow, and I can't seem to separate the two. I've compared the HTML side by side and can't find any discrepancies in the way the code lays out. Could you help me figure out what I did wrong?
Sorry again about all the changes. I'm a goof. :( Tracktowner (talk) 01:11, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
I got a message from somebody named Glass Cobra because I put helpme in my message and (s)he said I shouldn't have done so. When I came back here to take the helpme out as instructed, I couldn't find it any more! Yikes! Maybe I shouldn't even have gotten out of bed this morning...  :( More apologies, of course--not doing anything right. Tracktowner (talk) 01:25, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
If you check the [2]page history], you will see that GlassCobra came and removed the {{helpme}} template already. No big deal. I want to go play outside, so more later. Katr67 (talk) 20:03, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

St. Mary's School

Do not add that ugly little school logo to the St. Mary's School (Medford) page. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Filmmanvick16 (talkcontribs) 03:39, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

This kind of bullshit is why I usually don't edit school articles. The article does need cleaning up. Sometimes I'll even help do that, but good luck with it. Happy editing. Katr67 (talk) 19:53, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Edits to St. Mary's School (Medford, OR) and to Medford, Oregon articles.


Thank you for your assistance so far and your patience, and for welcoming me to the community. I have two areas of comment:

1. I'm not sure what the reference made to "ugly little school logo" was about that appeared on your talk page. I believe you are the one who added the logo, and I appreciated it. I don't see how that logo is a violation of the general Wikipedia format, so I don't know why someone raised an objection.

2. You have left intact the most important part of my recent edit to "Medford, Oregon", which was to mention that NOAA lists the area as the least windy metro area in the U.S. (although that's hard to believe considering some of the windbags who live here!). My primary reason for the edit was to counteract a really nasty vandalism message that superimposed itself when the Medford article popped up; it proclaimed itself to be "King of the Zodiac" or some such nonsense while the remaining 90% was written in Cyrillic characters. Since the vandalism appeared to be coming from an outside source by way of some sort of malware, I looked for something I could type into the article that would change it enough to remove it as a target, hence my mention of the wind speed. There may be a better way to deal with such attacks, but I am not yet experienced enough to know what they are.

Regarding your removal of the reference book I used to cite the low windspeed, I apologize for being so sloppy. I was simply trying to show a "good faith effort" that the information had a legitimate source. I'm still trying to figure out how to properly include the citation so that the footnote number appears. Hal Wing (talk) 18:00, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

The "Zodiac" message was from a vandal who had modified several templates that are used in multiple articles - which resulted in the message being spammed to every article using those templates. An admin fixed the templates involved and blocked the vandal. Once the template was fixed, it was taking a while for the fix to be processed through all the articles that used the templates - because there were so many affected. Once that fix had been made, you can try clearing your cache, or clearing the server cache, or any edit to an article (even a null edit) will force the fix to be processed for that article. --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 18:52, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
I didn't see the vandalized template in question. Thanks for clarifying. I was surprised to see you make what seemed like a joke edit when your other edits looked good. I'll take the warning off your page. Thanks for trying to fix the situation. Sometimes you can check into the Village Pump and have someone else come take a look. Do whatever you want with the St. Mary's article. Trying to keep the school articles looking good is not worth the hassle to me. Maybe you'll have better luck. Happy editing! Katr67 (talk) 19:57, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
FYI: Here were the edits in question that affected the page Hal Wing was viewing: Special:Contributions/
Re: school articles: Yea, I tried cleaning up a bunch of school articles too a while back, and quickly retreated to just a handful of them. Too much WP:OWN on those articles for me to want to tackle them myself as well. Maybe someday - but there are other things that interest me more for now. --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 20:46, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Gentle Woods Park

I've declined the speedy tag you placed on Gentle Woods Park. The reason I declined it is because Gentle Woods Park isn't a person, group of people or web content, so non-notability isn't e reason to speedy delete the page. Please note that with most subjects, notability is checked by the community, not a single admin. Only certain subjects can be speedy deleted under CSD A7 - the only CSD which deals with notability. For your information, עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Me an' plants...

I'm a writer (well, I write anyway). After finishing my present fiction piece (and hopefully selling it! It can be viewed at // under the title: What Little Girls Are Made Of) I plan to finish a non-fiction tome bearing the working title: Green Space and Stream Stewardship Within the Vancouver-Seattle-Portland-Eugene Corridor. The gist of it deals in the ideology of natives versus non-native for zero maintenance, high rainfall capture, and aesthetics i.e. native does not equal weed and turf doesn't hold water. This should also include the foremost methods for the "care and feeding" of a natural stream as opposed to the urban planning ideal of flushed the system at the end of the rain event (some people do have small streams within their property). My credentials are far ranging: U of Oregon BS Geography, PSU Urban Planning coursework completed for MS Urban Planning (I simply don't have the temperament to act in that function). For almost a decade I have worked removing invasive non-native species while collecting and propagated natives which I plant in my own back yard, abutting Tryon Creek State Natural Area. I have over 150 native species nearby. I have found myself at odds with many "official" agencies and groups. Work gets done by concerted effort and focus on the problem regardless of the "party line." In this regard Tryon Creek people let me do what I want and leave me alone. I am also involved in the work at Mary S. Young Park (the perfect alignment of bureaucrats, staying behind a desk, while giving the "worker bees" what they ask for!). Dave Kruse the powerhouse behind that project deserves a medal. Lastly: upon sale of my first book (if God exists, and has a sense of humor) I'd like to create a loose Wikidatabase of authors (if I can include my name in that esteemed role) to allow some assistance between established Oregon writers and those climbing the latter [sic] (that's a pun). Any questions, please feel free to send them to Best, mark Maxdname (talk) 22:58, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Jim N E Cricket, its another Oregon Collaboration of the Week

Greetings WikiProject Oregon folks, it is time for another edition of the Collaboration of the Week! A big thanks to those who helped out in improving Tom McCall and the Willamette Meteorite last week. This week we have a request for Mr. Greg Oden who has been back in the news as of late, so hopefully we can get him up to B class before training camp starts. Then we have a Hospital red link drive with plenty of opportunity for DYKs! As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Bu bye. Aboutmovies (talk) 15:41, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


Hi; your recent edit summaries on Category talk:People murdered in Oregon, Category talk:Human death in Oregon, and Category:Human death in Oregon suggest you might not be pleased that these categories exist. I'd be curious to know what the reason might be, or if I've misinterpreted. ...? (Maybe it's just the "partial crankiness". :)) Thx. Good Ol’factory (talk) 06:48, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Tiny, hair-splitting categories that hold one or two things usually make me cranky. The human death ones kind of crack me up. What a strange way to categorize something! Note that categories rarely make me amused/cranky enough to propose their deletion, and that I always add them to the project so that we can keep an eye on them. I promise I almost always limit snarky comments to categories, 'cos who looks at category page histories besides us category nerds? I promise I won't snark about any of your categories anymore. (But will note that you added the "human death" category as a redlink before you had added it to a parent cat...) Happy categorization! Katr67 (talk) 14:46, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
The comment about "tiny, hair-splitting categories" is funny because another editor has recently criticised me for creating Category:People murdered in Washington, D.C., arguing that it will grow impossibly large. Not "funny-ha-ha", I guess, but "funny-whu-wha?". Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:30, 26 August 2008 (UTC)