User talk:(aeropagitica)/Archive 30

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Virginia Tech massacre

I really find the addition of the 2002 U.S. military incident in the Virginia Tech massacre article very much a low blow. If Cho were a member of a 35,000 strong foreign military force in the U.S. when he committed these crimes, the American public would be very much discussing if the foreign force should leave. The fact is, Cho lived most of his life in the U.S. and was very much more American than Korean. This is a very unnecessary injection of politics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyok lee (talkcontribs)

If you can reference and cite a reliable source for your statement in the article then that would go a long way towards substantiating the assertion that it makes. Unsourced statements cannot be relied upon by researchers. Also, please sign your Talk page comments with four tildes, ~~~~ and providing a link to the diff upon which you comment is also useful for context, as I deal with a lot of edits when I am on duty, as shown in the above title. Regards, (aeropagitica) 23:07, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

What part do you think needs a reliable source? The number of American troops in SK? The fact that there has been friction between SK citizens and the U.S. military? Hyok lee 23:25, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

EVula *heart* aero

Just when I was bitching[1] about how we're a bunch of pussies when it comes to blocking trolls... good times. :) EVula // talk // // 04:51, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, but it's a shame that I even have to block a single person. Just think how improved the encyclopedia would be if all of the vandals contributed just one researched, referenced and correctly-cited fact? Regards, (aeropagitica) 08:20, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

IP editor blocked

hey, i'm just notifying you because you were the first admin aphabetically check out User talk: and you'll know what its about DarkMessiah AKA Necris 10:41, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Please remember to include a title to your Talk page posts that gives some context to the subject. Cryptic messages where I have to guess the subject are not as well-received as those that include some explanation as to the cause and request.
This IP editor isn't blocked - perhaps they are suffering because of collateral damage caused by a now-blocked account? Regards, (aeropagitica) 11:00, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Requested deletion.

The article Cripple_Buttons is vandalism. Could you please delete it? Pwnz0r1377 19:34, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

It was marked for speedy deletion and I have been going through the category in the last few minutes. Tagging is enough, there's no need to tell admins what they need to do for such situations! Incidentally, you might want to think about changning your username as LEE7 isn't a great choice of vernacular. See WP:USERNAME and WP:CHU for details. Regards, (aeropagitica) 19:37, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

My user page

What specifically happened to it, if I may ask? Phony Saint 19:37, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

It was created as a vandalistic effort with disparaging remarks and swearwords directed towards yourself, so to remove those from the system it needed to be deleted rather than just blanked. There's no blame on you, it was a vandal editor who did the damage. Regards, (aeropagitica) 19:39, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Alright, I was just wondering if it was related to some user I had a run-in with, or some random vandal. Thanks. Phony Saint 19:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Recent deletion of csc page

A page I recently created has just been deleted by you, I entered my resons for creating the page and recieved no reply. Could you tell me the reason why my post to keep the page was seemingly ignored so that I may avoid having pages I create deleted in the future? C3pkeogh 19:46, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Can you please include a link to the deleted page for me to review? I'm going through the speedy deletion candidates and there are many of them, so context is essential when you refer to such matters. Regards, (aeropagitica) 19:53, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Can you also please sign your Talk page comments with four tildes, ~~~~ in order to link through to your user page, please. This makes it far easier to contact you. Regards, (aeropagitica) 19:54, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

CSC (Check Shoe Crew) Hopefully this will help you find it. Best wishes C3pkeogh 19:58, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

You seriously believe that a clique of three schoolchildren is a notable addition to the project? Please do not recreate this page as it will be classed as vandalism. You might want to read WP:BIO and WP:ORG to see the guidelines on notable people and groups for Wikipedia articles. Regards, (aeropagitica) 20:06, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

I do believe it is a notable addition, if you saw the reasons for keeping the page I noted in the pages talk you may notice that it is not the size of the clique mentioned in the page "clique of three schoolchildren" that I believe gives it a reason to be included in the encyclopedia but the fact that the page was a valid example of a social cliqe, an example that is crucial to inform a persons understanding of what a social clique actualy is. Surly it is the purpous of an encylopedia to assist in a persons understanding/knowlage of a topic, the topic in question being social cliques. Best wishes C3pkeogh 20:14, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Please see the articles on cliques and social groups for encyclopedic entries on the subjects that you mention. Your article was too specific in regards to the social group in question. If the threshold was lowered to permit your clique an entry in the main space then literally tens of thousands of other school/college cliques would also attempt the same thing. If you want to tell people about your clique then please do so in a blog or website and not on Wikipedia. When attempting to offer a business case for retaining an article proposed for speedy deletion, please always refer to the appropriate policies and guidelines to demonstrate notability. Personal beliefs are neither here nor there when assessing the deletion of an article. Regards, (aeropagitica) 20:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Good point. It was my personal "belief" that the artical should remain in as far as it was your "belief" that it merited deletion. Thanks for your time. Best wishes C3pkeogh 20:37, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

No - I decide which articles to delete based upon the policies and guidelines mentioned earlier in this dialogue. You can also look at WP:CSD for the speedy deletion criteria, they're open for consultation by all. My personal beliefs don't guide my administration of Wikipedia, otherwise I might delete articles that I found offensive or didn't believe in, which would lead to my being banned from editing. That's one of the reasons why admin powers are reserved, so personal bias doesn't come in to the equation. Regards, (aeropagitica) 21:07, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Reply to a message.

Hello (aeropagitica), I am Leben. A few moments ago I created an article about a part of the film: 'the matrix', it was the organisation named 'megacorp'. This was because of a link to the subject in the article on megacorp. The information in the article was completely correct and the information was not present on wikipedia all ready.

Did I do something wrong? Could you suggest another way that such information could be used on the site? If I am not allowed to create an article then why do I have the power to do so on this website? I just think it's a shame that the information must be erased.

Please: a justification or solution. Leben2 17:37, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

The article was deleted because the subject was not notable according to the policies and guidelines by which articles are assessed for inclusion. The subject of the article is not germane to a discussion of the film or the character of Thomas A. Anderson, so it requires little more than a brief mention in the article on The Matrix. The article could not rise above the status of stub in the encyclopedia so it would be better to mention the relevant information in the above articles.
Just because an article can be created doesn't mean that it should be. The policies and guidelines dictate what is and is not appropriate for inclusion. Researching notable topics and subjects that are either not represented or require substantial improvement is one of the key areas of participation for contributors such as yourself. I hope that you continue to do so and enjoy your time here. Regards, (aeropagitica) 17:54, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

John Boyle

Hi there. I'm not sure what state the article was in at the time, but you deleted John Boyle as a non-notable person. As someone who played professional football for Chelsea F.C. for a decade, he fits the notability criteria. SteveO 01:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I didn't see that in the article's history. A vandal had overwritten the notable biography with their own. I have restored the notable version and warned the vandal appropriately. Regards, (aeropagitica) 04:41, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image (Image:ENTfuture tense.jpg)

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Orphaned non-free image (Image:ENTdetained.jpg)

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re: William Shakespeare's Romeo + Juliet

OK. Sorry. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Smokizzy (talkcontribs) 21:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC).

My RfA

Thank you for participating in my RFA, which passed with 53-1-0. I will put myself into the various tasks of a administrator immediately, and if I make any mistakes, feel free to shout at me or smack me in my head. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AQu01rius (talkcontribs)

RfA thanks

Hi aeropagitica, thanks for your support in my RfA, which passed unopposed. Please let me know if I can be of any assistance. --Seattle Skier (talk) 19:26, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Pounding 07

I just created a page (Pounding 07) that was immediately deleted by you. I was desparately hoping that I may at least be able to obtain the text from that page because I was never able to back it up before it was deleted. I understand now after reading the agreement that it was rightly deleted, but I put great effort into that and would like to back it up if possible. Thanks so much. Stewade 15 May 2007

Please don't place comments at random places on my Talk page; new discussions are placed at the bottom of the page. Also, please do not spam me with comments, as you cause edit conflicts when I attempt to respond. I will put the text of your contribution in to User:Stewade/sandbox for a few minutes so that you can take a copy on to your computer before I delete it again. Regards, (aeropagitica) 21:50, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I apologize, I am completely new to Wiki and didn't know where to add my comment, or even how I spammed you - sorry about that. I got the information and really appreciate your help. Thanks again, and sorry for the inconvenience. Stewade 21:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)Stewade


Hello, You just deleted a Page I was making, did I do something wrong, I'm not sure —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smartjoe299 (talkcontribs)

Hello! Firstly, please add new comments to the bottom of my Talk page - scattering them randomly about the previous conversations makes it difficult to find and keep track of them. Secondly, please sign your Talk page comments with four tildes, ~~~~ in order to make it easier to communicate with you. Thirdly, please give a link to the article that was deleted. I work through a lot of articles when I'm on shift, so a link to the title is vital for context. I can't help if I don't know what you are talking about! Regards, (aeropagitica) 22:50, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Admin Coaching

Hey I'm Arknascar44 and I saw that you were an admin coach without a student. I don't mean to impose, but I, being a sysop hopeful, was wondering if you could be my coach. I don't edit too much, just adding an InfoBox here and there or translating a page, but I do patrol daily for vandals. If I ever become an admin, my first action will be to use my powers to combat vandalism and defend the verifiability and integrity of Wikipedia. Thanks for taking time to read this Arknascar44 18:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Where's my article

Look, i know my article on tree-tops was up for speedy deletion but i followed the instructions and i put why i think the article shouldn't be deleted and i come here the next day and *POP* it's gone... explain please. Silly monkeys 316 19:20, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Tree-top was deleted because the article offered no context for or claim of notability regarding the subject. Additionally, the language used in its construction was colloquial - "...those not savvy to the lingo..." - and did not offer an explanation to any potentially interested researchers. The article was also lacking in references and sources in order to research the facts in an academic manner. If you do have reliable sources for this subject then perhaps it can be mentioned in the Playground games article. If you do not have such sources and are merely mentioning something that you play yourself at school then I would think twice about attempting to add it to the encyclopedia for a third time. Regards, (aeropagitica) 21:46, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Uncanny timing

I had just tagged Bradden hogbin with db-bio with an edit summary of LOL LOL LOL A7 and was clicking "Save page" when I saw that you had already deleted it. Cool. Uncanny timing. hbdragon88 04:33, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Admin Coaching

Would you mind being my admin coach? --Savant13 12:38, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Natalina Mathias

Is it possible this page can be salted? This is the 4th time the article has been created and speedy deleted. Wildthing61476 21:01, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Will do so now. (aeropagitica) 21:03, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you kindly Wildthing61476 21:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

You should probably salt Natalina mathias while you're at it. The article was created more than once under this name. Thanks. --Finngall talk 21:14, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Done as well. (aeropagitica) 21:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for all your advice on how to become an Administrator. Redmarkviolinist 02:08, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks from Cecropia

Thanks for the kind words on my talk. I think you actually congratulated me before the "flag" was set! I will try hard to live up to your expectations. Cheers, Cecropia 04:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

How to

How do you make your user page decorative? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redmarkviolinist (talkcontribs)

Please remember to sign your messages with four tildes, ~~~~, so that I can see who has been talking to me. It makes it easier to reply to you too. I created my user page by looking at other people's then adapting what I thought would work for me. Phaedriel might help you with your design or know someone who can if she can't. Regards, (aeropagitica) 21:48, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Response to Infected comment

Sorry about that, since they acted a little like zombies, I just thought they ate other humans. Anyway my bad. Johnny542 22:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

No, they don't act anything like traditional movie zombies, which is the point that the section on the Rage virus makes when The Infected are discussed. Please remember to check your sources before you make contributions to the article space and make sure that the sources are reliable. Watching the first film will demonstrate the facts about The Infected. Regards, (aeropagitica) 22:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Crouch End

Thanks for this edit!!! Not sure who's the bigger idiot - me for managing to post the same image twice in one article, or all the editors since then who didn't notice iridescenti (talk to me!)

No problem - it happens! Regards and good editing, (aeropagitica) 09:10, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Frank Schilling

An article that you have been involved in editing, Frank Schilling, has been listed by me for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frank Schilling. Thank you. --GreenJoe 19:17, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

The article history doesn't show my username on it at all. You must have the wrong person. How did you make that mistake? That's rhetorical. Regards, (aeropagitica) 19:38, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Butting in on someone else's conversation here, but you took part in the last AfD on it, I assume that's why they've notified you iridescenti (talk to me!) 20:16, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
It's a template message rather than something directed at me as a result of editing an article. I've had no involvement in the article nor any personal interest in the subject, so the notification isn't required. (aeropagitica) 20:24, 19 May 2007 (UTC)


Thanks (aeropagitica) for the revert of User:Jordientje on my user page. Shoessss talk

No problem, happy to be of service to you! (aeropagitica) 21:13, 20 May 2007 (UTC) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)

Hi, aeropagitica, considering that we don't usually indef block IP addresses for vandalism issues, I was wondering if you be unwilling to unblock or lessen the block on (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log), at least as a trial measure. Thanks, Iamunknown 21:18, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Unblocked for now to test the waters, let's see if the vandal returns. Regards, (aeropagitica) 22:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. Hopefully the vandal will not return.  :-) --Iamunknown 21:16, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Now I'm Angry

If you think it's too small, then visit the freaking site, and strain your microscopic bit of intellegence looking at the list of articles!!!! Ethan Dude

I will respectfully ask you to tone down your hostile response to something of which I am unaware. You need to provide a context in which your comments can be understood. You will be blocked from editing if you continue to correspond with other editors in this manner. Please see WP:AGF and Wikipedia:Etiquette for details of good conduct and interaction. Regards, (aeropagitica) 21:09, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Admin Coach

Hello, I noticed on the Admin coaching page that you currently do not have any students for it and I was wondering if you were interested in being my coach, I used to edit as User:Tellyaddict and had 13000 edits their between October 2006 and late May 2007 and moved to this account for a fresh start and starting from scratch. I love the format of this admin coach page and I hope mine could be like that if you accept. Hope to hear from you soon; all the best. — The Sunshine Man (a.k.a Tellyaddict) 18:23, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

A favour...

I was (falsely) accused of being a sock puppet. Could you please comment on this matter. The page is Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Imbilly. Thanks! -Billy227, Review my account!! talk contribs sndbx usbx 01:37, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

MaxSem RfA thanks.jpg

Hi Aeropagitica. I'd like to thank you for your support of my RfA. It was closed at surprising 75/0/0, so I'm an admin now. MaxSem 21:14, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Admin coaching...

Well, here I am again. In the past month, I have gained much experienced, joined a new Wikiproject, and participated in many AFD discussions. So! I was wondering weather you'd be willing to take me on for admin coaching. If you could leave your answer on my talk page, that would be great. Thanks! -Billy227, review my account!! talk contribs sndbx usbx 01:42, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


Many thanks for your support at my RFA. It ended successfully and I am now a glorified janitor. If I can be of any assistance please don't hesitate to contact me through my talk page. Happy editing! Ocatecir Talk 18:04, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


Could you give me some advice?
As yu well know, approximately two months ago, I put in an RFA, viewable here. It was unsuccessful. Now, I've gained much more experience, and I was thinking or putting in a second RFA. Do you think I should? If you could, please leave your answer on my talk page. Thanks! -Billy227, review my account!! talk contribs sndbx usbx 20:03, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, the advice that I would give in response to this message is that you need to build a business case to tell me why you believe that you should be an admin. The business case should be based upon evidence in the form of diffs and should clearly show how your actions in situations that would require the experience and powers of an admin helped to mitigate matters. You can then use this as a basis for your RfA statement. It would need little editing and, if it fulfills the requirements above, should make your chances at RfA much better. Why are you pushing so hard for admin status - it's no big deal. If you do answer that question, then please make it in the form of a business case and leave it on a sub-page of your userpage and not on my Talk page. Regards, (aeropagitica) 21:08, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Happy Aero's Day!

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(aeropagitica) has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian,
and therefore, I've officially declared today as Aero's day!
For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian,
enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Aero!

05:39, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

A record of your Day will always be kept here.

Wow, what a totally unexpected and lovely surprise to find when checking my messages on this cold and wet Bank Holiday Monday morning! You are truly a wonderful person, Phaedriel, and it's a pleasure to know that you're somewhere out there spreading joy and enchantment with your words and deeds. I hope that you have a wonderful week! (aeropagitica) 07:57, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Dear Aero, you know I've been around for a few weeks now, and all this time I've wanted to drop by and talk to you; I never, ever forget true friends, even tho time constrains and sometimes lack of inspiration make me postpone it for a better, brighter moment. I decided enough time had passed without visiting you, so I needed to drop by your talk page and tell you I've missed you a lot, hoping to renew the friendship that we share. Today is your special Day, and even tho it may be cold and wet outside, be happy and shine on, sweetie, for you have enough light within yourself to make it brighter than the Sun itself. Love you! :) Phaedriel - 08:13, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
You just made me cry - that is such a sweet thing to say, thank you, thank you, thank you! I'm so glad that you're back with us, spreading love and helping those in need. It's people like you who take a moment to stop the world in order to say something special that makes all the hard work and thankless slogging worthwhile. So kind, xxx. (aeropagitica) 09:18, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Hmwith's RFA

Thanks for commenting on my RfA. I appreciate your response, and I will try to make positive changes immediately. Thanks again! hmwithtalk 04:33, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Manchester Meetup

Hi, just getting in touch because you expressed an interest in the meetup here. Some people have expressed a view that they would be able to make it were the date moved from Fri 8 June to Sat 9 June. Obviously its now getting pretty close, so I thought a quick poll would be the best the way to find out the better day. If you're still interested, it would be great if you could say whether you can make either or both days here. Thanks, WjBscribe 16:51, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Thanks for the helpful comments. I really appreciate the feedback. I have a few questions concerning your comments on my RfA. First off, what are diffs? How can I use them? Secondly, what would you consider with admin-related tasks? Mattl2001 04:44, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello! Diffs look like this and clearly show the differences between edits, in addition to the edit summary that is used to justify making a change. You can see how much easier it is to see evidence presented in this way as opposed to having to dig through what is usually several thousand edits' worth of contributions on the part of an RfA candidate. You should always be prepared to justify your statements on Wikipedia, whether it be accusing someone of vandalism or showing the community why you should be an admin. As for admin-related tasks that an editor can do, you can patrol the new pages and recent changes on the lookout for vandalism and either revert and warn and/or report persistent vandals to WP:AIV for action when they have received their fourth-level warning; contribute to XfD discussions, using these as an opportunity to show how your opinions are based upon the policies and guidelines; there are others, take a look at Wikipedia:Administrators to see the range of things in which we participate and go from there. Regards, (aeropagitica) 05:19, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Requested deletion

Please could you delete the images: File:Startrails.jpg
File:Wicklewood Village Hall 3.jpg

I would be very gratefull, as I am a new user I did not add the correct tags. Thanks.

Deletion Review

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Userful. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article or speedy-deleted it, you might want to participate in the deletion review. 23:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


Just to let you know, I've sent you an email about the Manchester meet up, regards Ryan Postlethwaite 11:31, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Hate speech

I think Orangemarlin has hate speech on his User page and his Talk page. 21:59, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

…and has violated NPOV 01:39, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Thoughts are nothing without evidence - care to provide some? Have you taken this up with the editor-in-question? Did they respond in a constructive manner or otherwise? Do you have a diff to demonstrate this? Remember - opinion is nothing without evidence. Regards, (aeropagitica) 02:07, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

It is on his talk page. 02:16, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

…and his User page. 02:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

As you have provided no evidence for your claims, this correspondence is now closed. (aeropagitica) 10:05, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

I have retracted from my accusation of hate speech anyway. 18:47, 10 June 2007 (UTC)