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Turbochargers[edit]

Hi Simon. The turbocharger article really needed your trimming finesse. If there's any way I can help on Honeywell's behalf, for example by getting images, providing sources, etc. let me know. We're still discussing if Honeywell themselves have images they can contribute under a Creative Commons license, or even video.

Do you think it would make sense to restructure a bit so there is a "Types of Turbochargers" section? I am not a subject-matter expert, but from my understanding there are several types of turbochargers that are structurally/conceptually different from one another, such as dual-stage, free-floating, wastegate, variable geometry. Some of this is sprinkled through the article, but it seems like a clear, crisp "these are the different types of turbos" would be of value.

User:King4057 (COI Disclosure on User Page) 06:27, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I saw your post in the talk page, but hadn't got around to replying yet. Thanks heaps for the kudos, and I really admire the help you are making; and that you and Honeywell are being so careful about COI.
I'm not so familiar with the different types of turbos, but I think the article would really benefit from text about the more recent developments you mention. So any info you could post to go in the article would be much appreciated. And pics/video would be great, so whatever can be available under CC licence would be fantastic. Thanks again, 1292simon (talk) 06:39, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
This video would be amazing if it didn't have a Honeywell logo on it.[1] Thanks. It means a lot when folks appreciate the effort. I've started digging into it and realized these are all types of turbo control, like more advanced wastegates. I'm working on a Types of Turbo Control section and a Business & Adoption section. I'll share on the Talk page when I have drafts. User:King4057 (COI Disclosure on User Page) 20:33, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Sounds great. I think a link to the video is fine (even with the logo), I'll pop it up sometime soon; just need to find out how to format it nicely. PS Don't worry about sounding "snarky", I know you've got good intentions!! 1292simon (talk) 09:32, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Oh yes, a link. Gosh, we were looking at how to edit the video to debrand it, encode it into Wikipedia's format, get legal permission for Creative Commons.(wish me luck on all that). I would appreciate if you didn't move or post it yet, because I'm still waiting for feedback from subject-experts at Honeywell, but you can see the content I'm working on here.[2]
This content is knowingly bias, because it presents undue weight to features Honeywell has an interest in and many of the market projects are from secondary sources that are publishing projections by Honeywell. So my hope is merely that it is buildable and helpful. User:King4057 (COI Disclosure on User Page) 21:59, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Good luck jumping through those hoops! No worries, I'll sit tight until I hear from you. Don't worry about biased sources, an encyclopedia can easily deal with that by drawing on a range of sources. 1292simon (talk) 00:02, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi Simon. Thanks for being patient. It's been four months (how's that for WP:NORUSH?) but I'm finally ready to share the content I wrote here for the Turbocharger article. I was wondering if you wanted to work together on a few articles I want to improve on Honeywell's behalf now that I have a green light? Some areas are more COI than others, so I'll need an editor to work with to keep things neutral and make sure our edits are improvements. User:King4057 (EthicalWiki) 23:19, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Haha, I knew you'd get there in the end! In the next few days I'll look into it (I'm not near a computer much this week). Thanks for being so careful about COI, it's great that you're willing to not only help make things better, but also go to the effort to make sure it's all squeaky clean. Sure, I'm happy to help with whatever articles you have contributions for. Cheers 1292simon (talk) 11:52, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks so much!! All the articles I've been working with Honeywell on and the suggested changes can be found in my workspace. We also did Honeywell Aerospace and Honeywell Turbo Technologies previously and I hope to do some more BUs in the future. We can run through them quickly one at a time when you get back, or whatever process is most convenient.
User:Andy Dingley left a comment on my Talk about the turbocharger content suggesting we add something about wastegates being needed for petro cars, but not for diesel. I couldn't find any reliable sources in a Google search - just a lot of forums. However, I think there is room for a little original research when editors are confident in their facts in subjects that are not covered prolifically in the media with a citation needed tag for future confirmation. User:King4057 (EthicalWiki) 15:23, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I did not know about diesels not requiring wastegates, therefore if a good ref can't be found I'm not comfortable with adding this text sorry. For all the other stuff, the text you wrote is great and good work on all the independent references. Let me know if you have any suggestions about how I've tried to incorporate it with the existing text. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 01:22, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Simon! I like how you broke out the content into its corresponding components. I made a couple non-controversial edits for spelling and spacing. I appreciate you taking the time. My Talk-page heavy approach to COI only works if editors are willing to get their skin in the game with me.
No worries at all. Thanks for all the info you are providing.1292simon (talk) 10:31, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
BTW, I think the first sentence of Business & adoption could be condensed to just "Garrett (By Honeywell) and BorgWarner are the largest manufacturers in Europe and the US" with Wikification for Borg, Garret and Honeywell (or to Honeywell Turbo Technologies specifically). User:King4057 (EthicalWiki) 16:28, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Wow, I was also considering shortening it like that didn't I want to meddle with your text too much! Not sure what you mean by "with wikification", let me know if changes are needed to what I've done. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 08:22, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Biofuel[edit]

Would you be willing to take a look at my proposed biofuel changes next? My focus here is on improving the description of Green Diesel and getting it upgraded to a second generation biofuel. User:King4057 (EthicalWiki) 20:20, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm happy to help out with any article, I know next to nothing about biofuels so please excuse me if I'm frustratingly cautious! Is it the Biofuel article you are trying to improve? If so, just wondering if there's a reason you haven't brought it up in the Discussion page? From what I've heard biofuels are a highly controversial issue, so given my lack of knowledge on the topic, I'd be posting the proposed text on the Talk page before editing the article. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 10:31, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Yah, you're right of course. I added my posts to the Talk pages of each of the 4-5 articles just now. I'll see if I can get some local experts from those articles. I have found that some degree of content expertise is important in the process.

BMW articles[edit]

Hi, I noticed that you have made new changes to BMW pages, if there is specific engine page, it doesnt mean we have to remove the engine data from the article, you can just link the engine page to main page. The engine page is meant to give just more info, and can be linked from the infobox to give fast access to it. -->Typ932 T·C 08:03, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi Typ932, thanks for the suggestion. I am removing duplicate engine info from some pages because wikipedia is full of conflicting information on different pages. I think that avoiding duplicates helps avoid this, there are links to the engine pages so people can easily find more detailed info on the engines. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 08:15, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
When removing the duplicate info the car model page will come quite useless if there is no data about the car and its techincs. Those articles are already very short articles and by removing the data they are even more stub articles. I have restored some pages and added link to the engine page.-->Typ932 T·C 08:20, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Using an image from Flickr[edit]

Lots of information is at Wikipedia:Preparing images for upload and Wikipedia:Uploading images, but to keep it simple try this. Save the largest version of the Flickr image to your own computer, go to the Commons page here and upload it. Put in as much information as you can, including the name or username of the creator at Flickr, and select a licence. The image of an engine you want to use has a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 2.0 license, which I can't find in the drop-down menu on the upload page, so select another one and then (after upload to Commons) edit the "Licensing" section on the new page to replace the template you find there with {{Cc-by-sa-2.0}}. To add the image to a Wikipedia page, see Wikipedia:Picture tutorial. Come back to me again if you have any problems. Moonraker (talk) 14:00, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. The image just got deleted for copyright infringement, even though I put in the licence info. If you could look into this, it would be much appreciated. Thanks, 1292simon (talk) 10:04, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Easiest way to upload from flickr is use automated tools:
  1. search suitable photos with right license http://www.flickr.com/search/?l=commderiv
  2. use transfer tool http://toolserver.org/~bryan/flickr/upload

-->Typ932 T·C 09:59, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks heaps for your help Typ932. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 23:33, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Update[edit]

Hi Simon. Just wanted to let you know I submitted Talk page requests on the articles on Smart grid, Smart meter, Aviation biofuel, Jet fuel, Algae fuel, and Biofuel. I got some really excellent feedback on a couple of them and incorporated their suggestions.

I waited about a week and a half, then posted {{request edit}}s on them. I find a lot of these request edits, several editors chime in before a response is determined, but you're welcome to chime in if you like. User:Corporate Minion 21:50, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi , Thankyou for your patience in jumping through the COI hoops! I have updated Jet Fuel and will happily update Aviation Biofuel (see talk), I feel the Algae Fuel and Biofuel articles need editors with background knowledge of these technical topics. However, the edits look like a good improvement to me. Given that there are no outstanding complaints, I can approve you to make the edits if you like? It would look like this:


(while it says "declined" at the start, it actually gives you permission to make the edits)
How does this sound? Or would you prefer me to proxy edit on your behalf? (I am a bit hesitant, but can look into it more if needed) Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 10:44, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
This would make me exceedingly happy. I helped create those templates and I would be so pleased to see someone start using them! A lot of editors are not comfortable with proxy editing, so that template gives them an out. It also reduces the janitorial burden on the reviewer to actually implement the edits. I also improved the aviation biofuel submission. User:Corporate Minion 15:35, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Then that is the perfect solutions for everyone! I'll approve the edits now. If there's any other edits you'd like me to check out, just let me know. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 08:14, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm going to have a few more on some of these articles, but being that they are major subject-matter articles, it's best not to overwhelm editors with too much at once. You can also check out Category:Requested edits if you like. K&L Gates, of which I have no affiliation, has a month-old request edit that probably needs an ADV decline or a quick cleanup from an editor willing to spend a few minutes on it. But don't consider this a request - just if you enjoy doing request edits. It might bring you to topics outside your normal comfort zone. User:Corporate Minion 14:23, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Sure, I'll have a quick go at K&L Gates, I think it smells ADV and self-important, Trying to win an argument against a lawyer might be a foolish move, but I'll have a crack! 1292simon (talk) 23:40, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for chipping in. I agree with the advert response, but was happy to see them get an answer. I think with my comments here I have gotten too bold in my collaboration with other COIs, so I will back off for a while. I'm hoping this template will go live soon on many company Talk pages and (I hope) as a result, we will see many more {{request edits}}. In my opinion, declines are just as important as accepts in the process. If you have any interest in helping, we'll need some more manpower at the helm and I might be begging and groveling editors to support the system and make it a working, sustainable process.
I also took another pass at the instructions page and wrote an essay that would be great as a link some day on WP:COI under the Financial COI section. No pressure - but just if you have an interest - you're welcome to participate in any of these areas. User:Corporate Minion 03:08, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

(reply to Corporate Minion above) You're welcome. I don't see any problem with the Laura Mercier text or your comments. Since it is nothing to do with Honeywell, your COI is irrelevant, so you are within your rights to be as WP:BOLD as any other editor! Things are quite busy for me at the moment, I'm happy to look at articles, but I prefer to stay out of policy stuff at the moment. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 03:31, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for helping out! Hopefully we'll bump into each other again sometime. (BTW - this is me, I changed my username) Corporate Minion 05:20, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Coupe Utility[edit]

I disagree with this change.

It's true that "Ute" is more commonly used, but as the page says, people in some countries (like Australia) also refer to full size pickup trucks (such as the Ford F-series) as utes. That's a completely different kind of vehicle. Do you see how this could be confusing? People might start thinking that stuff like the Chevrolet Silverado and Dodge Ram are of this body style. This page is about passenger car-derived vehicles with an open bed, not full-size trucks.

For clarity, this change should either be undone or the name of the page should be changed to "Ute (coupé utility)".

Hi TBustah, sorry to be picky, but could you please sign your posts? "This page is about passenger car-derived vehicles..." actually, the article is about the use of the word "ute". Since Australians use this word to describe anything with a tray in the back (from a Subaru Brumby to a Ford Falcon to Toyota Hilux to a Dodge Ram), the article is not about a specific body style in my opinion. Think of it more as a page about the use of a location-specific word. If the Ford Falcon ute was sold in the USA, they would probably call it a "pickup", much the same as a Dodge Ram is called a "ute" in Australia.
As an Australian, I have never heard anyone ever use the term "coupe utility". 1292simon (talk) 22:37, 19 October 2012 (UTC)


I have 5 points I want you to consider. They're going to get a bit long, but please read through them. If you still feel that I am wrong, we can discuss this with somebody from Wikipedia.


1. "Coupe utility" may have fallen out of common useage, but Australia has used the term in the past. Just look at that old Dodge ad at the top of the page.

There are several other old Australian ads out there that call them "coupe utilities", check out this Flickr gallery:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/50415738@N04/galleries/72157625616233265/

Of the 14 ute ads in it (one of those Ford ads was actually for a full-size pickup, not a passenger car-derived utility), 11 of them used the term "coupe utility" somewhere in it. The owner of that account, sv1ambo, is Australian and has no problem using the term in the description of the gallery.


I concede that these are ads, and not accounts given by real Australians, so here are a few examples of real Australians using the term "coupe utility" or "coupe ute":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKSYeLr1-sU&list=PLEE4E8B02112FFAE5&index=3&feature=plpp_video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDv43kQeMtY (user WildDogsOnWheels, who uploaded both of these videos, is Australian)

http://www.fastlane.com.au/Features/First_ute.htm (author Gary Warren is Australian)

https://www.racv.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/Internet/Primary/about+RACV/RACV+history/historic+vehicles/yellow+van/austin+7 (RACV is an Australian organization)


I invite you to search "coupe utility" on Google Australia. You'll get even more relevant hits.

I've actually been to Australia, and the family I have there and many of the other people I met also used the term. That was in various cities and towns throughout NSW and Queensland. Perhaps the term is more commonly used in certain parts of the country, and you simply live somewhere it isn't? Just a thought.

Even if the term isn't/wasn't used in Australia, it IS used in other parts of the world, as I will attempt to prove to you in #2.


2. The term "coupe utility" is used in other parts of the world. We do NOT call them "pickups" or "trucks" in the United States (I guess we do call them "pickup cars" sometimes, though). Most people use the term "El Camino" as a generic trademark (regardless of actual manufacturer) for the body style, but we do use coupe utility (or coupe ute) as well. And we're not the only ones.


Proof (US):

http://social.rides.com/blog/33/will-the-coupe-utility-ever-come-back-to-the-united-states

http://www.flickr.com/photos/myoldpostcards/sets/72157629507197073/

http://www.worldcarfans.com/10802142290/chevrolet-el-camero-a-camaro-based-coupe-utility


Proof (rest of world):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTk4vOqltTI (user ben10TG is from Hong Kong)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_lWERzAMD4 (user andrew hebron is from the UK)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E31uYAup71w (user EECFabricator is from New Zealand)


3. The page WAS about the specific body style until somebody changed it recently. The original text had a definition of the body style in the first paragraph, and didn't mention Australia's broader definition of the term until further down on the page. I don't know who changed it, but that's the way it was. I would gladly give you a link, but I'm having trouble accessing earlier versions of the text at the moment. Perhaps you know how to do it, check at a month or two back. I may not have access to the original text to prove it to you, but there is still one rather significant piece of proof on the page that it was about a body style and not Australia's definition of "ute". Check out point #4.


4. Look at the pictures on the page. Do you see any pickup trucks? Any Ford F250s? Holden Colorados? Toyota Hilux's? No, just coupe utilities. If this page was about Australia's usage of the term "ute", and not a specific body style, wouldn't it have pictures and information on other types of utes? That was the way it was before the massive overhaul of the page, and it's still the way it is now.


5. The term "ute" does not always mean a coupe utility or pickup. In some parts of the United States (mostly the midwest and east coast), for example, "sport ute" is a slang term for SUVs. There's potential for confusion here.

Proof:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sport-ute

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1132562

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/is-bmw-going-sport-ute-crazy-car-news


Look, I'm not trying to start a fight here or anything. It just seems to me that this term IS used, and there's plenty of proof that it is. I also feel that the body style should have it's own page as it is distinct from the other types of "utes". This page WAS about the body style, but somebody seems to have changed it.

-TBustah

Hi TBustah, my main issue was that the article was claiming that
  • the Australalian slang "ute" stands for coupe utility, and
  • "ute" (in the Australian use of the word) specifically means a 2 door passenger car based vehicle
If it can be proven that "coupe utility" is recognised elsewhere in the world as a specific body style, I have no objection to having articles for both "ute (vehicle)" and "coupe utility". This would require simply undoing the re-direct currently on the "coupe utility page".
Also, if the word "ute" is proved to be used outside of Australia with another meaning, I am fine with having this added to the "ute (vehicle)" article.
Please note, I have started a similar discussion to this at the talk page for pickup truck but so far no-one has said that "coupe utility" is a commonly used term these days.
PS Phew, I'm not trying to start a fight either. So thankyou for taking the time to explaining thing, and for your polite tone. Much appreciated. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 10:15, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

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Star Wars and Indiana Jones connection[edit]

Hello, I overhauled Star Wars and Indiana Jones connection by removing much of the trivia (for which I could not find reliable sources) and adding a "Shared themes" section. I think the article is in much better shape. While it is more sparse, I think there is a stronger case for having a stand-alone article as long as the standard is maintained. Please let me know at the AfD discussion what you think. Erik (talk | contribs) 21:25, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Sorry it hasn't changed my opinion that the topic is not notable as a standalone article. But I appreciate the good work you have done improving it, the content could be moved across to a "References to Indiana Jones" section in Star Wars and a "References to Star Wars" section in Indiana Jones so hopefully it wasn't in vain. PS nothing wrong with a "sparse" article- a short, sharp article is much better than a long waffling one IMHO!1292simon (talk) 00:24, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
That's fine, thanks for following up! I just wanted to see what I could find and pull together. If I had to choose, I'd rather salvage the "Shared themes" section; the sources behind "List of references" were pretty pedestrian. Erik (talk | contribs) 00:46, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


Chiyo Miahama[edit]

Since you participated in that AFD, what's your take on this related one? Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 21:56, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, I've added my 2 cents worth there. 1292simon (talk) 09:33, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

David_Bergman_(journalist)[edit]

I added an award for the Davide Bergman (journalist) article, and I was wondering if you would reconsider your vote since that was a major point, which you expressed. Thank you, Crtew (talk) 00:13, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

AfD on Supreme Court case[edit]

After the AfD was closed I went over to Burlington Northern & Santa Fe Railway Co. v. White to add some references only to find you had already done that. Very often I find such references never do get added so to find the person who had made the nomination went on to improve the article was really good. Thank you. Thincat (talk) 13:23, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

No worries. Thank you for finding the references. 1292simon (talk) 22:40, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

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you edits to Bose Corporation[edit]

Pl tell me where is the reference to support this -either the article OR outside .

"Bose audio products receive polarized opinions about quality: some reviewers consider them high-end while others consider them overpriced and of average quality." If there isn't it is mere opinion . Wikipedia is not a consumer sentiment reflection pad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sieger007 (talkcontribs) 02:20, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sieger, thanks for going to the effort to ask about this instead of just reverting the edit, I really appreciate it. Here are the references: http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/htib/bose-lifestyle-v20 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2097317,00.asp.
I agree that normally an article wouldn't include a section basically saying "some people like Company X, some people don't like it", but Bose is noted for evoking strong reactions, so I think it is notable in this case. All the best, 1292simon (talk) 02:27, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
If one thing, more than any other, characterises Bose it's that quote above. It's an entirely reasonable summary of their market perception. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:24, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

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