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265 kW version of BMW N55 engine[edit]

Hi @1292simon. I noticed that you deleted the information in the article BMW N55 about the N55B30T0 version. I was wondering if this was an accidental deletion. This version is listed by BMW as being used in the BMW X4 M40i. There are some blogs speculating that it is also used in the BMW M2, but I have not seen an official publication confirming this. My Gussie (talk) 03:39, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi Gussie. Thanks for making the effort to discuss this, I really appreciate it. I removed those models because the information I saw indicated that they would use the upcoming B58 engine, but it now looks like that is incorrect. Sorry about that. If there isn't an official announcement yet on the M2 engine, my preference would be to hold off from adding the M2. But if you think it's worth having there now, I respect your judgement. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 09:30, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
Hi @1292simon. I have made the changes to add the N55B30T0 version back to the article. I agree that it's still premature to list the M2 changes until official confirmation is available from BMW. What I have a read is that the M2 will not have the B58 engine yet, and that the power output is the same as the X4 M40i, but I have not seen an explicit statement of the type of engine that is fitted. My Gussie (talk) 23:09, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Sounds good. Thanks for adding it back in. 1292simon (talk) 00:31, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

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BMW E21[edit]

Hi mate, I just added an interior shot for the BMW 3 Series (E21) article please see. --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 14:05, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Great, thanks for that. Also, nice work finding the E21 interior pic! I admire your searching skills, very impressive that you tracked down a photo with "interior" written in polish. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 09:00, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Just search the E21 categories on Commons. You can find this interior shot with ease in the 316 cat. Also, it is easy to tell that this is a 315 or 316 as it lacks the rev counter and has an analogue clock instead. Best regards, --Jojhnjoy (talk) 09:12, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 10:17, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Volume[edit]

MOS:UNITS: ″In all other articles, the primary units chosen will be SI units (...)″ BIPM: ″It is not permissible to use abbreviations for unit symbols or unit names, such as (...) cc (for either cm3 or cubic centimetre) (...) The use of the correct symbols for SI units, and for units in general, as listed in earlier chapters of this Brochure, is mandatory. In this way ambiguities and misunderstandings in the values of quantities are avoided.″ (Chapter 5.1, Page 130). Why do you change cm3 to cc? --Jojhnjoy (talk) 11:25, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Please refer to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Specific units. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 11:55, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
It says: "cubic centimetre: cm3 // cubic centimeter (U.S.): cc (Non-SI symbol used for certain engine displacements)" – none of the articles you changed has a relation to the United States and certain does not mean all... So why do you change it then? --Jojhnjoy (talk) 12:03, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Jojhnjoy, are you still pushing this WP:DEADHORSE campaign? Didn't you get a topic ban or something? Andy Dingley (talk) 12:20, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
No, I didn't get a topic ban. Well, is there any reason for changing cm3 to cc? I don't see any. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#Specific units does not seem to cover it. --Jojhnjoy (talk) 13:07, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Jojhnjoy, please respect my previous request to stay off my talk page. This is not the place for policy discussions. Dennis (@Dennis Bratland:) has explained why cm3 is not preferred in this reply. If you would like the policy/interpretation changed, best raise it on the WikiProject Automobiles or MOS:UNITS talk page. Goodbye. Please. 1292simon (talk) 21:55, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
"Victory by attrition..." Ha. How true. Kendall-K1 (talk) 16:09, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 10:36, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

ANI[edit]

I am pleased to see the end result regarding this petty matter at ANI. Please take note of this next time, before attempting to yell fire where there is none and trying to bait me. If everyone did their part and did not introduce bad information into articles repeatedly that misleads millions of readers (not simply by honest mistake), it wouldn't frustrate editors past a point. For that matter, don't litter my page with ANI notices again.--Carmaker1 (talk) 07:45, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Thankyou for adding the references to the E65 article. 1292simon (talk) 09:32, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

BMW M Coupe[edit]

I answered the question you posed on the BMW M Coupe talk page. 96.54.57.109 (talk) 12:09, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Nice! Thanks for your additions to the article. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 12:27, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
you're welcome. 96.54.57.109 (talk) 12:50, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

BMW N55 Engine - reference to Ward's Best Engine's list[edit]

Hello @1292simon. I noticed you revised my edit to the BMW N55 engine page and moved the reference to the Wards 10 Best List to a newly created "Awards" section near the end of the article. I think that was somewhat high-handed. I would point out that all other mentions of this award for other BMW engines occur in the Introduction, and I would prefer that it remain there. However, if you have strong feelings on the subject, I'm willing to listen to your point of view.Skennedy30022 (talk) 23:28, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Skennedy30022: Thanks for getting in touch with me. Oops, you are right, many of the engine articles have the awards in the intro. I am happy for you to put it back there. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 08:39, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks.Skennedy30022 (talk) 14:33, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

PS and bhp[edit]

I know PS is not used in English, but it is used by German car manufacturers. BMW, Mercedes and Audi use it everywhere and people know how much PS a BMW has, but not bhp. Even their UK-homepage uses PS (BMW and Mercedes calls it hp, but it's actually PS when you calculate). That's why I think at least Audi, BMW and Mercedes should have both PS and bhp. ArcticDragonfly (talk) 20:27, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi @ArcticDragonfly:. Thankyou for making the effort to send me an explanation, I really appreciate it. For units of measurement, I think it is best English Wikipedia articles to use the units that are most commonly used in English-speaking countries. Foreign manufacturers sometimes stick to the native units of their own country, so I think that car reviews are a better indicator than manufacturer websites. I'm happy to be convinced otherwise, but I believe that PS is an uncommon unit in English-speaking countries: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7. Cheers 1292simon (talk) 21:52, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi @1292simon:. Number 5 and 6 use the PS value even if they write hp, but yea, the others use bhp. I'm not saying remove hp, just adding PS to the German cars. I don't really see the harm in adding PS to them and I do think that would make the articles better. Not having PS on non-german cars is however completely understandable.
One interesting thing I found is that every single Australian review I skimmed through only used kW. ArcticDragonfly (talk) 23:28, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
Regarding links 5 and 6, I think errors in the unit conversion is unrelated to whether PS should be used.
Overall, I think the choice of units should be based on what is more likely to be understood by the reader, not whichever unit a manufacturer chooses to use. (as an aside, it appears that BMW doesn't use PS in the biggest English-speaking countries: 8 9)
I didn't think there was any question about whether kW should be included, so I'm not sure why you mention Australia? 1292simon (talk) 00:00, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
BMW UK uses PS value even though they write hp. BMW USA however use actual hp. I'm not saying remove hp, I'm saying add PS alongside it. Some used car sellers in the UK sell BMWs using bhp and some using PS. You have only given me reasons why bhp should be used, which I agree with. But you haven't given me a reason why PS shouldn't be included. I think it's less confusing listing both actually.
A point is that the PS value is widely used even if it is often mistranslated into hp in English.
Australia was just an interesting thing I noticed. ArcticDragonfly (talk) 01:00, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
Yes, Australia is lucky to sidestep the whole horsepower mess by just using kW! (although I guess there's still the issue of ECE vs DIN...)
Incorrectly converting to hp (by using the PS value) is not the same as intentionally using PS. I think adding PS makes the tables cluttered and could cause confusion. Since it is not commonly used in English, I don't think it is worth including. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 09:32, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

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Clever cleanup at BMW M54[edit]

Nice job on formating the S54 section so nicely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.54.57.109 (talk) 02:17, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words, I really appreciate it. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 07:08, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

BMW translation[edit]

Hello from Germany. You said I was supposed to explain it on the talk page, so here you go:

The source cited does not say that BMW translates into English as Bavarian Motor Works. It says that Rapp Motor Works became Bavarian Motor Works. That is a difference.

BMW is a name and you don't translate names.

Bayerische Motoren Werke is grammatically incorrect and you can't translate it. It means something like Bavarian Engines Works or Bavarian Engines, thou shallt work! This doesn't make much sense to me. Bavarian Motor Woek would mean Bayerische Motorenwerke, that's just not the name of the company. While the pronounciation is similar, it is still different.

Hi, thanks for your message. Please see my reply at Talk:BMW#Wrong translation. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 10:31, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks[edit]

Thanks for thanking me for my BMW edit, Simon, and thanks also for all your hard work on the matter. I'm currently too busy with things like Xmas shopping to engage in the discussion at Talk at the moment, though I think you were right to query where it says we can't use dictionaries as reliable sources (as distinct from merely saying that Wikipedia is not a dictionary). I may or may not resume my involvement there later and/or discuss it here again and/or send you a private email about it (perhaps especially if future edits make me feel obliged to restore my WP:UNDUE flag, etc). Kind regards, Tlhslobus (talk) 14:14, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

  • No worries. Yes, I respect Dennis opinion, but there are still some issues in the current form of the text to work through.

    All the best for your Christmas shopping. Hmm, I really should stop procrastinating about doing mine! Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 21:17, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Glad to see I'm not the only person who has Christmas presents procrastination problems, though fortunately nowadays I'm only a dreadful procrastinator about them, instead of being a truly appalling one a few years ago Face-smile.svg Anyway, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you, Simon. Tlhslobus (talk) 12:22, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
Indeed, from "truly appaling" to "dreadful" is a good improvement! Merry Christmas to you too. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 09:10, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Your E30 article[edit]

I noticed your recent edits. Thanks for making Wikipedia a better place. Your recent edit displayed the body style for front and rear shots of all the body styles. This can be confusing to some readers, such as myself because of the fronts being the exact same and is pointless to show it in the article. I have cleaned up the article, to make it more sensible and easier for us to read. Its better to simplify images down rather than shoving them to the article. Please see WP:MOS --EurovisionNim (talk to me)(see my edits) 09:55, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks EurivisionNim. I think more images can be helpful in car articles, because they can show the reader the variety of exterior options (eg wheels, body trim). However, I will leave the gallery as you wish.
One small change is that I switched the sedan picture for consistency, so that all images are of post-facelift models (so that readers don't mistake facelift changes for differences between body styles). Do you know if it is possible to crop the image? If there could be less blank space around the car, that would be great. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 10:04, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

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