User talk:1ForTheMoney

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Happy editing! 1ForTheMoney

Archive 1 - December 2007 to March 2009
Archive 2 - April 2009 to April 2010
Archive 3 - April 2010 to May 2011
Archive 4 - June 2011 to March 2012
Archive 5 - August 2012 to present


I had not noticed you included the information and cite in the alternative section and believed it should be added in the more prominent sections; assuming you were just being an ass by continiously removing them. :P All is good now though. Fazart (talk) 19:37, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

I've been that way for five and a half years. So far, there have been very few disputes. 1ForTheMoney (talk) 20:04, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Fix page title[edit]

Hi there,

Can you please fix the title of the following page

She is Rosalie Boyd not Rosalind.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryan roselli (talkcontribs) 08:58, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

 Done 1ForTheMoney (talk) 11:38, 24 September 2013 (UTC)


As a player of the game itself, I can assure you "RS" is most definitely the most used way of referring to the game...

However, I have a more important question for you. There's no mention of one of the major updates to the game. I don't know if you play the game or not, but it's an item called the bond. One item? That's not major! Well, the item was introduced to create a means of purchasing in game money with real world currency. It's a complete 180 from their original stances, so I think it's ground breaking enough to add to the article. Do you agree? If so, would I put it under the game updates section or the rules and cheating section (as it is strongly related to third party goldfarming).

I'm fine with the revert. I just added it because it was removed from RS with the reason "no indication in the article of being known by the initials". I saw you were the reverter and wanted to ask for your input on the edit I have mostly completed since you're one of the major contributors to the page. moluɐɯ 15:34, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Of course, I'm not against being bold. I've already made the edit, but I would still appreciate your feedback on my contribution. moluɐɯ 16:00, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

I reverted mainly because it's only players that use RS, while most people outside it (including Jagex themselves) use RuneScape. Since all our sources spell out the full name there's no written evidence that RS is a really common abbreviation. Compare this to the Jagex article - their full name is Jagex Game Studios but everyone calls them Jagex so that can be noted as an abbreviation.
As for bonds, I was going to encourage you to be bold anyway so I can't criticise you. I'll look more closely at it later (and then probably end up deleting most of it. I hate being the only major contributor.) 1ForTheMoney (talk) 16:09, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
That makes sense, thanks for the reply. Hopefully what I added is all information that an encyclopedia would want. I'm an editor over at the Wikia Hosted RuneScape wiki (under this same name) more than anywhere else, so I'm not exactly used to the style of writing expected for a good Wikipedia prose, but hopefully my edit can be kept and worked with. Anyways, thanks again for the response. :ɔ moluɐɯ 16:17, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Actually, I just tried to make it shorter without losing relevant information - the general rule of thumb is to stick to what's mentioned in the sources and not ramble (on RSW you can get away with long explanations and minor details; on WP that would be frowned upon.) Really, though, you did the right thing by having a go and then asking for an explanation. 1ForTheMoney (talk) 16:27, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. There's one more news post regarding bonds where they expanded the membership options to include packages. I left it out because I didn't think it was notable enough, but maybe you have a different opinion. The update you can reference is here if you want to add it. If not, it doesn't really matter to me. moluɐɯ 16:47, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
You assume correctly. The concept of premier membership can't be unique to RuneScape plus it's only available for about one month. Besides, we already covered using bonds to buy membership and this is just a variation on that. 1ForTheMoney (talk) 16:52, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

RuneScape game guide[edit]

(Completely unrelated to WP) Do you happen to know offhand how much of the old Knowledge Base was archived/where it could be found? Someone at RSW wants archives of the old Area guides it had. Chances are probably slim that you can help here, but it's worth asking. moluɐɯ 14:35, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

I was going to refer you to this, but it happens to be missing the very pages you're looking for! Sorry about that. 1ForTheMoney (talk) 14:42, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Darn. Thanks anyways. I didn't think you'd be able to help because I didn't think there existed a page like that. Funny thing that page - Sigma borrowed it from Smithing who was already asked about these area archives. Small world, eh? moluɐɯ 14:55, 16 January 2014 (UTC)


So if I want to be listed as a major contributor to the article (I have relatively few edits, but an overqualified wealth of knowledge on the subject), would I just boldly add myself to that list? Or should I do as I have done and politely ask another major contributor if I can be listed amongst them? I'm interested in helping update the article and its sources, especially keeping it up to date on some of the major updates to come. moluɐɯ —Preceding undated comment added 14:34, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

No need to ask - just add yourself if you want to. The list is out-of-date, but I think people should add or remove themselves if they want to. 1ForTheMoney (talk) 14:37, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the answer! Now, if I may ask another question: I'm having mixed feelings about writing about the Power to the Player Polls. I could probably fit it fluently under the Community section, but again, I'm feeling kinda meh. I'd like a second opinion on this. moluɐɯ 14:44, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
I have the same feeling - the polls are mentioned very briefly under the Combat section, but since they now cover more of the game they'll probably have to be moved. There are many changes and missing features that could be added to the article, and at some point I need to write them all down. 1ForTheMoney (talk) 14:51, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
Oh. Didn't you see I added that there? I was barely above borderline in adding that bit, actually. I figured it was valid enough considering the rest of the paragraph was about player involvement in the combat changes. To further clarify, the polls were actually originally (and still are) mostly pertaining to live game content, focusing only on the combat improvements a little. That link (which is the first source about the polls) actually predates the two links that follow it (which are just 2 examples for the polls' involvement in the combat rework). moluɐɯ 14:59, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
I knew it wasn't there yesterday. These legacy updates hold no interest for me. 1ForTheMoney (talk) 15:05, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
Me neither. Also, about that edit you undid: Was the wording fine? Or should it remain simple? I felt the exact calculation might have been a bit too much, but I did it anyways because the formula is simple. I know you reverted it because forums shouldn't be cited. I ask because I suspect the formula will be explained again in a newspost eventually (which even if we decide to leave the wording alone, we can at least have a more up-to-date source). moluɐɯ 15:15, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I just never felt the exact calculation needed to be explained, even though it's fairly simple. The "old" formula was never officially released but players did eventually work it out and it was a lot more complex - you certainly couldn't put that in the article. 1ForTheMoney (talk) 15:18, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

regarding thumbnail[edit]

thank you for the feedback. but i would just like to bring to your kind notice that the thumbnail picture was already there when i started the edit. I also have a question you. How to save article when some other editor edits the article when one is working in it. I just lost 2 hours of editing as it just did not save? Please revert back waiting for your reply. Thank you. Araz5152 (talk) 16:02, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

(Moved to the bottom to keep everything in order.) First, I did nothing to the image except remove the thumb attribute, because thumbnails won't work properly in infoboxes. If you want to add an image with a caption, you use something like this:
{{Infobox person
|image      = Example.jpg
|image_size = 220 <!-- Default size for thumbnails/frameless images. Always include a fixed size,
even if you don't think you need it. -->
|caption    = Your caption
Now for your second question. What you describe is called an edit conflict and they are very annoying. If you need time to make an edit, place {{in use}} at the top of the article before you start so other editors know the page is likely to be busy.
If an edit conflict does happen, you'll get a page with two boxes - the top box contains the current page, and the bottom box has the page you were working on. Copy anything you want to save from the bottom box to the top one, then click "Save page" to finish. 1ForTheMoney (talk) 16:48, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Maps in info boxes[edit]

I'm having trouble getting this right. I've put in GPS coordinates, and city name, et. not sure what I'm doing wrong. Thanks. RufusL1948 21:12, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

I presume this is for B&O Railroad Headquarters Building? If so, I managed to get it working here, by changing the coordinate parameters to match those at {{infobox building}}. 1ForTheMoney (talk) 21:25, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
On an unrelated note, your signature needs to link back to your user page, per WP:SIGLINK. 1ForTheMoney (talk) 21:33, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks so much for getting the map to work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RufusL1948 (talkcontribs) 15:50, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

RuneScape gameguide[edit]

We can't use the wiki to cite, but I found a small number of non-wiki game guide articles on the official site. It's really not much, but we can probably update some sources/nit pick these for important info. I'm not sure how much of the latter we could do though... Just thought I'd let ya know (assuming you didn't already). moluɐɯ 14:30, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

I knew of them, though the page you linked to is a little out of date (there are over 200M accounts, not 175M.) Other than that, I don't see an issue with using them as sources. 1ForTheMoney (talk) 15:16, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Tank Carder[edit]

Hi, I signed in to Wikipedia to do some work on a friends page that someone else created because that is up for deletion. While I was here I uploaded the pictures on my son's page. Thank you for fixing his profile picture. I couldn't figure out how to do it. I also uploaded the other pictures and tried to place them in the sections they went to similar to Andy Dalton's page. Are you able to tell me how to do that or can you do it for me? Thank you so much!!! Mmcard59 (talk) 01:24, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

It happens because the infobox is longer than the actual article and you've aligned all the images on the right, so the infobox pushes them down. The best way round it is to put the images in a gallery, like this.
I should also note that all the images could be deleted since they don't have enough copyright information. You need to fix that yourself. 1ForTheMoney (talk) 09:38, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Dennis Lewin[edit]

Hi, me again. I'm trying to make Dennis Lewin's page more appealing to Wiki guidelines as it is up for deletion. Can you take a look at it and tell me what I can do to make it better so that it won't delete? He has been an icon for many many years and should have a wiki page. Thanks so much! Mmcard59 (talk) 01:22, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm no good at this sort of thing, sorry. 1ForTheMoney (talk) 10:33, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your help with Tank's page :) Mmcard59 (talk) 03:30, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Mark Ogilvie on Jagex Article[edit]

You reverted my edit here - I put that Mark Ogilvie is the Design Director and Company Representative, and you reverted it because it didn't have a source. I actually Asked Mark Ogilvie in-game in RuneScape what his job is, and he said Design Director and Company Representative. I just didn't screenshot what he said, because at the time I didn't expect to be adding it to Wikipedia. But he said it, honest. I'm not lying. TimeSwimmer (talk) 11:18, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

I can believe that, but "I asked him" is not a reliable source according to Wikipedia policy. It needs to be something you can link to, like a list of staff credits or a news article (but not a forum post.) 1ForTheMoney (talk) 11:46, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

The Joe Allen edit I made today[edit]

Hi, I don't know if this is the place to do this, but I wanted to let you know that I know I messed up with the edit I made today. I was looking back through my account and noticed I'd edited his page before, and when I went back to see my edit, I didn't realise the entire page was from the day I edited it. I only updated his Liverpool appearances, and saved the page not noticing that it would have deleted all the edits since. I then tried to undo my edit, but for some reason it wouldn't let me! Anyway, thanks for sorting that out. I've been using Wikipedia for years but still have such a small grasp on editing it. -Matt 20:39, 4 April 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acidulantes (talkcontribs)

Yes, I got the impression you'd taken it back to a much older version of the article, which struck me as weird considering your last edit was nearly 2 years ago. As for why you couldn't undo your edit, it's because the article is under pending changes protection - edits (including reversions) have to be approved by a reviewer before they actually appear in the article. It's used when you want to prevent vandalism, but still allow anonymous users to edit. 1ForTheMoney (talk) 21:04, 4 April 2014 (UTC)


The screenshot of RuneScape was RuneScape 3, as edited by Bouowmx on 02:44, 19 October 2014‎. Please compare RuneScape 2 to RuneScape 3 on Google Images. I have reverted your change. (talk) 08:36, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Indeed. Sadly the interface isn't from RS3. 1ForTheMoney (talk) 08:59, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Hudood Ordinances tag[edit]

re: the "needs attention from an expert in Pakistan. Please add a reason or a talk parameter to this template to explain the issue with the article," tag added (actually changed from "expert" to "an expert in Pakistan") five years ago here.

I can't be called an "expert on Pakistan" but I have done some reading and research and have attempted to improve the article here.

Questions: As the initiator of the tag do you think the article still needs an expert? If so can you "Please add a reason or a talk parameter to this template to explain the issue with the article". --BoogaLouie (talk) 17:11, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

I didn't originate the tag, I just modified it. At the time, {{expert}} was deprecated in favour of {{expert-subject}} because the latter template allowed users to request help from specific WikiProjects, and I took it upon myself to clean out the remaining uses of {{expert}} according to my own judgement. I have no opinion on the article or its contents, sorry. 1ForTheMoney (talk) 19:27, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

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I can't put a ref as companies house doesn't give documents a static URL.

Information can be found here - , and downloading the 'group of companies accounts'

It should still be possible to reference it, we just have to give clear directions to make sure people can find it. Something like <ref>Taken from the "Group of Companies Accounts" document dated 15 July 2015, listed on [].</ref> will probably do it.
I'll think about how best to do it tomorrow evening when I have some free time, unless you want to jump right in. 1ForTheMoney (talk) 18:47, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you. Sadly real-life doesn't permit me to edit as much as I'd like. 1ForTheMoney (talk) 18:14, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

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Village/parish infoboxes[edit]

Thanks for adding infoboxes to Porton and Preshute.

Any reason why Template:Infobox UK place can't be used? Compare other Wiltshire parishes such as Potterne. Wire723 (talk) 14:15, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

No reason, I'm just used to {{infobox settlement}}. I'll probably be moving on to topics other than settlements for the time being, though. 1ForTheMoney (talk) 15:48, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
OK fine. I'll update those two with the usual Wiltshire infobox when I get round to them. Wire723 (talk) 17:00, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

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