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Checking GA Cup submissions[edit]

You didn't check one of my submissions correctly. Please correct the mistake. Thanks, Tomandjerry211 (alt) (talk) 16:39, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you!--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 17:01, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 12 August 2015[edit]

Re: High importance Christian artists[edit]

Alright, so help me out here. Aren't the awards for albums in the Christian fields for both Grammy Award and Latin Grammy Awards given to the artists? I know the Latin Grammy Awards hand out the award for Best Christian Album in both languages to the artist according to the manual, so I assumed the regular Grammy Awards did the same. Unless you meant special awards like the Lifetime Achievement Awards, then I apologize. Erick (talk) 21:24, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Hmmm, actually, I'm not sure what the importance scale is specifying here. I thought that there were artist categories within genres, like in the Dove Awards, but it seems that there aren't, just songs/performances, albums, and recordings. So I don't know what the importance scale is referring to when it says "Grammy win." I think a Grammy win within a Christian category is too broad. I'll bring this up on the WikiProject talkpage.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 22:40, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Alright then, I apologize for any inconvenience. At the vert least, I'm glad to have help with the Latin Grammy Award-winning Christian albums. Take care! Erick (talk) 23:01, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Viking metal[edit]

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Thank you!--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 04:18, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

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WikiProject Good Articles's 2015 GA Cup - Round 3[edit]

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Greetings, all! We hope that everyone had a nice summer.

Saturday saw the end of Round 2. Things went relatively smoothly this month. The top 2 from 4 pools, plus the top participant (the wildcard, or "9th place") of all remaining competitors, moved onto Round 3. We had one withdrawal early in Round 2, so he was replaced by the next-highest scorer from Round 1. Round 2's highest scorer was Pool D's Tomandjerry211, who earned an impressive 366 points; he also reviewed the most articles (19). Close behind was Zwerg Nase, also in Pool D, at 297 points and 16 articles. The wildcard slot went to Good888. Congrats to all!

Round 3 will have 9 competitors in 3 pools. The key to moving forward was reviewing articles with the longest nomination dates, as it has been in every round up to now. For example, 2 competitors only needed to review 2 articles each to win in their pools, and each article were either from the pink nomination box (20 points) or had languished in the queue for over 5 months (18 points). The GA Cup continues to be a success in many ways, even with fewer competitors this time. For some reason, the competitors in the 2015 GA Cup have reviewed fewer articles in Round 2, which has made the judges scratch their head in confusion. We've speculated many reasons for that: the summer months and vacations, our competitors are saving their strength for the final rounds, or they all live in the Pacific Northwest and the heavy wildfire smoke has affected their thinking. Whatever the reason, Round 2 competitors reviewed almost 100 articles, which is a significant impact in the task of reviewing articles for GA status. We've considered that the lower participation this competition is due to timing, so we intend to discuss the best time frame for future GA Cups.

For Round 3, participants have been placed randomly in 3 pools of 3 contestants each; the top editor in each pool will progress, as well as the top 2 of all remaining users. Round 3 will start on September 1 at 0:00:01 UTC and end on September 28 at 23:59:59 UTC. Information about Round 3 and the pools can be found here.

Good luck to the remaining contestants, and have fun!

Cheers from Figureskatingfan, 3family6 and Jaguar, and MrWooHoo.

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A cupcake for you![edit]

Choco-Nut Bake with Meringue Top cropped.jpg Hi 3family6! Just spreading the good word. I'm sorry about the mishap that happened on WP Christianity a few months ago. Erick (talk) 02:48, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the cupcake, Magiciandude. I don't recall which mishap you are referring to, though I will enjoy the treat you left me here.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 17:49, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Kaga Rebellion[edit]

Yunshui  14:52, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Kaga ikki[edit]

Yunshui  14:52, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

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WikiProject Military history coordinator election[edit]

Greetings from WikiProject Military history! As a member of the project, you are invited to take part in our annual project coordinator election. If you wish to cast a vote, please do so on the election page by 23:59 (UTC) on 29 September. Yours, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 05:20, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Mongol conquest of the Qara Khitai[edit]

The article Mongol conquest of the Qara Khitai you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.svg; see Talk:Mongol conquest of the Qara Khitai for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Khanate General -- Khanate General (talk) 02:01, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

The Detective Barnstar[edit]

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For your efforts in researching matters pertaining to these worship artists from ICC Records, where they were found in the archives at The Wayback Machine.The Cross Bearer (talk) 02:07, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks!--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 02:09, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

2nd Annual GA Cup - Round 4[edit]

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GA Cup competitors and observers: Happy Fall! Get ready, we're about to move into the finals of the second-ever GA Cup!

Monday saw the end of Round 3. Out of the 8 contestants in the semi-finals, 5 have moved to the finals. The semi-finals were competitive. Our semi-finalists reviewed a total of 61 articles, or a grand total of 1,151 points. If you were to lump the top winners from each of the three pools together, it'd be a close horse race; they were within 35 points of each other, which can only mean that the finals will be an exciting race. Tomandjerry211, our top scorer in Round 2, again earned the most points in the semi-finals, with 288 points and 16 articles reviewed. Johanna came in second overall, with 251 points and 13 articles reviewed; Sturmvogel 66 came in third overall, with 221 points and 16 articles. Rounding out our wildcard slots are Zwerg Nase and The Rambling Man. These contestants were very strategic in how they reviewed articles. Like every other round in the history of the GA Cup, success depended upon reviewing oldest-nominated articles. For example, Johanna reviewed 5 articles that were worth the highest possible points. Congrats to all our finalists, and good luck!

Stay tuned to this space for more information about the 2nd GA Cup, including overall statistics and how this competition has affected Wikipedia. We regret to inform you that Dom497, one of our original judges and co-creator of the GA Cup, has stepped down as a judge. Dom, a longtime member of WP:WikiProject Good articles, is responsible for the look of the GA Cup and has been instrumental in its upkeep. We wish him the best as he starts his university education, and are certain that he'll make an impact there as he has in Wikipedia.

The finals started on October 1 at 0:00:01 UTC and will end on Ocober 29 at 23:59:59 UTC with a winner being crowned. Information about the Final can be found here.

Cheers from Figureskatingfan, 3family6 and Jaguar, and MrWooHoo.

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VisualEditor update[edit]

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The location of the visual editor's preference has been changed from the "Beta" tab to the "Editing" section of your preferences on this wiki. The setting now says Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta. This aligns with almost all the other WMF wikis; it doesn’t mean the visual editor is complete, or that it is no longer “in beta phase” though.

This action has not changed anything else for editors: it still honours editors’ previous choices about having it on or off; logged-out users continue to only have access to wikitext; the “Edit” tab is still after the “Edit source” one. You can learn more at the visual editor’s talk page.

We don’t expect this to cause any glitches, but in case your account no longer has the settings that you want, please accept our apologies and correct it in the Editing tab of Special:Preferences. Thank you for your attention, Elitre (WMF) -16:32, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Mongol conquest of the Qara Khitai[edit]

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Template:Did you know nominations/Treehouse of Horror XXV[edit]

Hi, just FYI, hooks are not moved to the Special Occasion holding area until they are approved. Best, Yoninah (talk) 02:13, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. Thanks for the FYI.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 05:18, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Track listing headings[edit]

You may be interested in giving your opinion on which track listing format is best to use for Wikipedia here. ilovechristianmusic (Tell Me Something!) 13:33, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

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Hey, I started a discussion at Talk:Heavy_metal_music#Grunge_as_derivative_form, reacting to your reversal of my edit and the reason you gave. Feel free to remove this message.--MASHAUNIX 20:07, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

VisualEditor News #5—2015[edit]

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On the English Wikipedia, the visual editor is now automatically available to anyone who creates an account. The preference switch was moved to the normal location, under Special:Preferences.

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Five million articles![edit]

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                                                  We've reached five million!!                                                  

The English Wikipedia now has over 5,000,000 articles! Woo-hoo!

Feel free to pass this message on! You can never celebrate too much. 5 000 000

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2015 GA Cup Wrap-Up[edit]

WikiProject Good Articles's 2015 GA Cup - Finals/Wrap-Up

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The second-ever GA Cup is now over! The competition officially ended Thursday. Congrats to everyone who participated, and especially to our finalists.

The winner of the 2nd GA Cup is Zwerg Nase! He earned 408 points, over 100 points more than he earned in all previous rounds. He tied with our second-place winner, Sturmvogel 66 with 367 points, in number of articles reviewed (24), and they earned almost the same points for reviewing articles that were in the queue the longest (Zwerg with 322, Sturmvogel with 326). Basically, they tied in points, but what made the different for Zwerg was the advantage he had in reviewing longer articles. It seems that the rule change of earning more realistic points for longer articles made a difference. All of our contestants should be proud of the work they were able to accomplish through the GA Cup. Congrats to these worthy opponents!

Our third and fourth place winners, Johanna and Tomandjerry211, also ran a close race, with 167 points and 147 points respectfully. We had one withdrawal; we found it interesting that competitors dropped out in Round 2 and 3 as well. One of the original judges and co-creator of this competition, User:Dom497 stepped down as judge during Round 3; as stated previously, we will miss his input and wish him the best.

The judges were pleased with our results, even though fewer users competed this time compared to our inaugural competition. We recognize that this might be due to holding the competition during the summer months. We intend on looking more closely when we should conduct this contest, as well as other aspects of the GA Cup. We've set up a feedback page for everyone's input about how we should conduct the contest and what rule changes should be made. If you have any ideas about how we can improve things, please visit it and give us your input.

Again, thanks to all and congratulations to our winners! Please stay tuned for the start of GA Cup #3.

Cheers from 3family6, Figureskatingfan, Jaguar and MrWooHoo.

life span[edit]

Do you have any specific reasons to describe the life span of the Byzantine Empire as "c. 330 –1204" and "1261 –1453"? I don't think the Byzantine Empire as a state discontinued to exist during the period of 1204 and 1261. It simply lost the capital Constantinople and existed as a rump state based in Nicaea during this period. This is similar to the situation of the Republic of China after 1949, and we can't say ROC no longer exists after 1949 in Wikipedia. Most sources such as this, this and this also consider the Byzantine Empire to last from 330 to 1453. --Cartakes (talk) 21:58, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Because the Empire of Trebizond and Despotate of Epirus were also contenders for rule of the Empire. The only reason that Nicea is considered the legitimate continuation of the Empire is because they managed to re-take Constantinople. Up until that point, there was no one "Byzantine Empire," just three rival states each attempting to restore the Empire. The Byzantium article itself, in the lead, stresses how the 1204 conquest effectively shattered the power of the Byzantine Empire, and I would say that it is presumptuous to say that Nicea somehow was a continuation of the Empire through the next 60-so years of turmoil when the other two rump states weren't. The difference this and the situation with the ROC is that the ROC still exists, it just doesn't hold the territory it used to. Yes, Trebizond continued until even after the fall of Constantinople, but because Nicea re-captured the former capital, it was recognized as the legitimate successor. To use your ROC analogy, currently the article on "China" directs to the PROC. If, somehow, the ROC managed to recapture all or most of mainland, historical China, I am pretty sure that it would become the focus of our main article. This isn't saying that ROC doesn't exist, but that it isn't, right now, considered the legitimate "China." Nicea wasn't the "legitimate" Byzantium until they managed to retake Constantinople.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 22:13, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
OK, there are some differences between the Byzantine Empire and the ROC as you pointed out. However, we can simply consider that the Byzantine Empire was divided into the states based in Nicaea, Trebizond, and Epirius during this period. The Mongol Empire was also divided since 1260, but in historiography we don't say the Mongol Empire ceased to exist after 1260. I think we'd better try to base on how sources would say instead, and the sources I mentioned above all consider the Byzantine Empire to last from 330 to 1453. --Cartakes (talk) 22:23, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
I don't have firm stake in this, so I'm open to keeping the article as it was. What sparked this was that I noticed that the article for the Turkic Khaganate had listed the Khaganate as existing from 552-744, when in actuality it completely split apart, the rival factions subjugated by the Tang dynasty, and then later was reformed. This isn't similar to the Byzantine Empire, but it was the change that I implemented there that caused me to consider the Byzantine Empire article. I did look through the article first, and it does seem as though the Empire effectively ceased to exist as a unified entity until the re-capture of Constantinople. You could argue that in the long-term, it was a short interregnum, and that for a timeline you can pass over it, but I felt that the change I implemented is within the scope of both historical consensus and the guidelines for the "life span" parameter. You make a good point about the Mongol Empire - I've thought about initiating a discussion as to whether the time line should stop at 1260 or 1264, but you can make the argument that, though there were rival states, the Yuan dynasty managed to successfully retain the title as a continuation of the Great Mongol Empire. From what I understand, only the Chagatai Khanate ever seriously challenged the Yuan as the "Mongol Empire - the Ilkhanate generally supported the Yuan, and thus did not contest this supremacy, while the Golden Horde didn't make a claim to be the "Great Mongol Empire." And all three, for a few decades, at point accepted the Yuan as supreme. But I wouldn't be opposed to ending the timeline at c. 1260 instead of 1368, and I have commented that the image associated with the Empire, depicting it's expansion, is inaccurate in that it suggests that the fragmentation was later then it actually was. Going back to the Byzantine Empire, again, I'm not trying to make this a hill to die on or anything, I just thought that it was something that was within the scope of the infobox documentation and the historical narrative.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 01:13, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
I agree that for the Mughal Empire at least, there was an uncontroversial break between 1540 and 1555 when the empire simply ceased to exist. But for the Byzantine Empire, I think it is at least controversial to say so for the period mentioned. How about keeping it the way it was, but with a note that the empire is sometimes considered to be non-existent between 1204 and 1261? Thanks. --Cartakes (talk) 01:36, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm not opposed to that.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 01:38, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Page errors[edit]

Your page has some scripting errors. Certain elements are not displaying properly. I use the latest version of Chrome on a PC computer. --Xavier (talk) 15:42, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

@Xavier enc:: What kind of errors? Thanks for notifying me.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 16:27, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

The Metal project welcomes 3family6![edit]

The Metal project welcomes a new member 3family6 to the team! Thank you for your enlistment and with that we shall get this project revived! --Xavier (talk) 15:44, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, and you're welcome!--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 15:46, 5 November 2015 (UTC)


Thanks for asking me about the Christain metal wikiprojects! Yes I have just recently (like five seconds ago) joined! --Metalworker14 (Yo) 16:36, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Precious again[edit]

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A year ago, you were recipient no. 1024 of
Precious, a prize of QAI!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:43, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

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