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My DYK Nomination

I've fixed the link in ALT1 - Template:Did you know nominations/Joe Rosentover --Tomtomn00 (talkcontributions) 17:38, 25 April 2012 (UTC)


Very interesting. Be sure to click edit for the "drive by tagging" section. 7&6=thirteen () 14:39, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Bud Tinning plus Michigan

A couple of things

1- Find a Grave is not a RS per Wikipedia:External links/Perennial websites. That said I'm not ever opposed to putting FAG links in the EL section of an article and often do that especially if it has photos of that person.

2- Much of what was written in the article was done in this one edit[1] by an editor who's made no other contributions. Verification at some future date is highly unlikely. So do you think I should just remove what he wrote? Please reply here. I will be checking.

3- BTW Tinning is now the only article to link to the Category page people from Stanton County, Nebraska. I did some light google searching to see if I could find anyone else but came up with squat.

3- I saw what you did with the town articles. What had been listed there before in many instances was from six years ago. I discovered it when adding a baseball player, Wally Gilbert to a town article....William 23:53, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Pixie me

Hey 13, you're putting "pixie me" on a bunch of articles that have just very recently (like the last edit or two) seen Pixie bot. That doesn't make much sense. LadyofShalott 23:01, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

I think it was only one. And in fact, it had (oddly) gotten there just before I had been there. Efforts more or less crossed in the mail. I understand your concern. Am not knowingly making these mistakes, but there is always likely human error. Sorry. 7&6=thirteen () 23:05, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
It was at least two: William U. Kirk and Mildred Rutherford. The Millie Rutherford article had been visited I think two days ago. I think it was similar for Kirk. Take a look at article history before posting Pixie me. LadyofShalott 23:08, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
This does not seem to be limited to a couple of articles. My watchlist is liberally sprinkled with entries for articles that you tagged with {{pixie me}} and that were subsequently visited by the bot, whose only edit was to remove the "pixie me" template. These include Micah True, Ablaq, Charleston Female Seminary, and John Henry Devereux -- all articles that are on my watchlist because of edits I made in connection with DYK nominations. Should I conclude that this was an initiative to teach me not to watchlist articles that I review for (or look at because of) DYK? --Orlady (talk) 01:05, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
7/6 has kindly pointed out a couple of things Helpful Pixie was missing, and I guess was just checking to see if it had got smarter. I may have mislead here, since the fix is in place but not fully "rolled out". Rich Farmbrough, 02:25, 7 May 2012 (UTC).(Using some automation)
Orlady, I am not part of some conspiracy against you or anyone. I appreciated your efforts before, and still do. For you to transmute these errors into something insidious or pernicious is to go way outside the reasonable inferences. It's not all about you.
I have already repeatedly apologized for any inadvertent errors on my part. I do like these articles to be right, and Rich's bot does tedious detailed miniscule operations that deal with some idiosyncracies that are almost beyond manual human correctability.
In any event, none of this was about you, other than the inconvenience it apparently caused you, and your irresistible need to sleuth it out.
Of course, we worked together on some articles (thank you) and that is a coincidence I can try to avoid in the future so as to not engender future problems for you. Indeed, I could interpret your current crusade as an implicit instruction to not submit items for a DYK in the future. Pity.
With respect, I suggest you take the rest of the night off, and this too shall pass.
Where I come from fixing the problem is more important than fixing the blame. Your correction is duly noted, and there will be no repetition. Best regards. 7&6=thirteen () 03:32, 7 May 2012 (UTC) 03:26, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Sorry. My remark was intended to be tongue-in-cheek, but that tone doesn't come across on the internet. I thought the bot's edit summary was odd, and when I saw what the bot had edited, I thought it was even odder. I came here to try to figure out what was going on, and I saw the discussion, but no real clues. Like I said, this should teach me not to leave so many articles on my watchlist! --Orlady (talk) 13:06, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Orlady, I agree with you. Typed words on a page are a poor substitute for real communication. As my real life work involves much that is devoted to interpreting miscommunication, I know the problem well, and deal with it most every day. Sorry for my part in any misunderstanding. With respect, these obscure little articles have darned few watchers. And when they get promoted to DYK, we have seen some of them really get hit with vandalism. So I would suggest that watching these is worthwhile. I also find it to be a great (and intermittent) prompt to take another look at the article and see if I can think of ways to improve it. That could be a symptom of OCD, but that is part of why I'm here. We all know that misguided (but perhaps well-intended) edits and deliberate vandalism are a reality, and having stuff on your watch list helps in your little corner of the project. I can't monitor the whole encyclopedia, and fortunately there are other editors (and their bots) who can. But even at that the screening isn't perfect, and bad (or at least imperfect) stuff infects our work. I am trying now to backtrack through 43,000 of my own edits, as I was late in 'coming to Jesus' in the use of templates for citations (I've been given guidance and example by the likes of Imzadi1979 and Berean Hunter, for which I thank them), and parts still escape me (like the formulae for isbns, which I leave to Rich Farmbrough and the like to correct). And the project just gets bigger. We are not that far off from having 4 million articles, which is a waymark that should be celebrated. 7&6=thirteen () 13:34, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

User:Rich Farmbrough is being punished

Lest I be accused by administrators of some improper polling, I am posting this on my talk page. [Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Rich Farmbrough/Proposed decision‎ Rich Farmbrough proposed decision]. I suggest those interested take a look and post their concerns. 7&6=thirteen () 18:04, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Reflist in a section

Hi Stan, you may try using {{reflist|1=close}} in a single section to have your own mini ref section within a section. Each of the states could have its own ref section. I'm thinking that is what you were wanting to do but could be wrong...:)
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 00:26, 17 May 2012 (UTC)


Hi Stan - The Hopwood article is moving along. Thank you for your injects. I modified them a bit and am pulling them in. If you don't remember where, it's in my sandbox at User:JMOprof/sandbox. There is a flap going on over at Commons about copyright on the images, and I'm going to lose, despite that the US Navy says. If you have any ideas on how to win or suitable alternates, please speak up. I think I'm going to have to use a short quote from the Laws. Can you ID what's wrong with the signature image? JMOprof (talk) 16:37, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

A useful pair of tools

Always look in google books here. Also you can paste a book url into here and it will make a full ref for you to copy. 7&6=thirteen () 10:51, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Tinner's Rabbits?

There's no reference to Tinner's Rabbits in the page, so it really doesn't belong in mining history with things like "cornwall tin mines", does it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Riventree (talkcontribs) 13:00, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Thirteen, I certainly meant no offense using the term "rollback". As one of the ignorati :) I was unaware there was a difference, and used the term casually. I shall certainly be more careful in the future. <bows politely> (talk) 01:07, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

A Useful Tool...

My Turn. ☺ Use Template:USS. {{USS|Niagara|1813|6}} turns into USS Niagara. Works for other navies too. {{HMS|Caledonia|1807|6} becomes HMS Caledonia. I'm usually using the none specified, 2, and 6 values for the 4th parameter. 6 very nicely doesn't care if the third parameter is a year or a hull number. Don't use parens in either case. JMOprof (talk) 14:01, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

I created this: DONT GIVE UP THE SHIP flag.svg United States Navy or [[File:DONT GIVE UP THE SHIP flag.svg|24px]] [[United States Navy]] Template:Flagicon doesn't have it in the lexicon. I inquired. JMOprof (talk) 16:02, 25 May 2012 (UTC)


Not a word of a lie, tonight a fella I work with from Botswana referred to himself as a Mack Daddy (in his past). Global term that is. --kelapstick(bainuu) 12:31, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

You should tell him to go get a T-shirt, which Urban dictionary offers. 7&6=thirteen () 12:36, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
I think I will :) --kelapstick(bainuu) 12:41, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Flanders F.2

Re this edit, it's already linked in the article Face-smile.svg. Mjroots (talk) 20:27, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

I erred again! No worries. Hope you are feeling better. 7&6=thirteen () 20:49, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

spammed Michigan site

In this edit, you reintroduced reference to the Michigan Rock and Roll legends site, complete with the "Michigan Legendary Songs" title. Can you show me any sign that this site is notable? Covered in normal news organizations? You also claimed that contained information supporting the statement that "Shannon has had two other recordings recognized as Legendary Michigan songs: "Keep Searchin' (We'll Follow The Sun)" in 2008 and "Hats Off to Larry" in 2009." Can you show me what part of that site actually supports that statement?—Kww(talk) 11:57, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Please show me the text on page five that includes the phrase "Legendary Michigan song". It certainly supports the induction into the actual Hall of Fame, but we already have a source for that. It's the inclusion of the Michigan Rock and Roll Legends site that I object to and you keep reintroducing.—Kww(talk) 14:34, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
The RS you are referring to was in reference to an article about Suzi Quatro, not Del Shannon. You haven't shown that the sources in the text you have added refer to the Michigan Rock and Roll legends site, or supports anything to do with being a "Legendary Michigan Song". My question is quite legitimate: why do you think supports any kind of statement about the Michigan Rock and Roll legends site when it doesn't even mention it?—Kww(talk) 17:19, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

putting something on my user page

Hi, in March, you've advised me to put "something (anything)" on my user page. What do you mean by "something"? -Ldavid1985

It's your WP:User page. So it's more or less considered to be your personal space. I put in a suggestion. remove it if you like. 7&6=thirteen () 13:17, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Fallacy of Composition#Exceptions

Hey there 7&6=thirteen, it seems there's an issue that has arisen regarding the Exceptions section the to Fallacy of Composition article. I would like it to be resolved in the best way possible, so I've come here to discuss it with you :). First, I'll explain what I believe that the dispute is, and then I'll propose a solution. If you disagree with what I believe the issue is in the first place, or have an alternative outcome, or anything else, I'm all ears.

The dispute is whether or not the Fallacy of Composition article should have an Exceptions section. Now, it may be the case that the dispute is about going around willy-nilly and deleting sections without modifying them first, but this distinction is irrelevant in this particular instance with regards to my proposed solution and its reasons.

My solution is simple: the Exceptions section is deleted.

My reasons for this are as follows: There are no exceptions to a fallacy. Even if one can construct an argument whose premises are true, and whose conclusions are true, that does not mean that there is suddenly an "exception" to its reasoning being a fallacy.

Here is an example in the Exceptions section of an "exception" to the fallacy:

"Some properties are such that, if every part of a whole has the property, then the whole will, too. In such instances, the fallacy of composition does not apply. For example, if all parts of a chair are green, then it is usually acceptable to infer that the chair is green."

As you can see, this is irrelevant. Here is their argument recast:

"Some properties are such that, if every part of a whole has the property, then the whole will, too. In such instances, the fallacy of composition does not apply. For example, if all parts of a human (their cells) are invisible, then it is usually acceptable to infer that the human is invisible."

Obviously it is not the case that it is usually acceptable to infer that a human is invisible (unless he/she is behind a wall or too far away).

Second: No other fallacy page has a section for exceptions (and for good reason; there's no such thing). For consistency's sake it would make sense that this one doesn't either (or that they ALL do).

Third: There was already apprehension to the section being added in the first place, and good reasons for its not being added. You can see this in the article's talk page.

I await your response :) - Nicklink483 (talk) 18:14, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

It has been 4 days since I've received any response from you. I'm going to assume that the matter is resolved. - Nicklink483 (talk) 20:08, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Moved discussion to article talk page. 7&6=thirteen () 20:22, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

Brownie transparent.png Thank you for your patience and help. I really appreciate it! ComputerJA (talk) 21:25, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. 7&6=thirteen () 22:12, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


7-in-1 Review.--Doug Coldwell talk 14:53, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks so much

THUMBS UP AWARD for being the fool, mentioned below

PS I recently did a radio show OMAR's Dance Party of all songs with "Fool" in the title. But I digress. Carptrash (talk) 22:50, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

for leaping in at John Angel (sculptor). I created it to get rid of a red link elsewhere, while at work. The rest you know. again, many thanks, Carptrash (talk) 21:37, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Fools Rush In (Where Angels Fear to Tread) I know almost nothing about the subject, and you know a great deal more than I. I just get irritated when they do the speedy delete thing on an article that plainly should be salvaged and refloated, not torpedoed and sunk. 7&6=thirteen () 21:41, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Well thanks. Now if we can get a DYK out of this (we need a good hook line and a picture), then it will be really grand. 7&6=thirteen () 22:58, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
I have a good picture or two at home, don't settle for less. I also was in connection with his grandson years ago and got some stuff from him too. Life is good, even when unexpected. Carptrash (talk) 23:09, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Excellent work both of you, one of those "how was this missing" type of articles. Started Exeter War Memorial BTW which you might like to add more to. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:48, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

John Angel

Well done! Although you might look in google books for more sources here.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:51, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar! If it helps you can paste in google book urls into and make refs read for copying. Just click on last name to switch the surnames before first names.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:24, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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For excellent work at improving several John Angel articles. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:44, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Very kind of you. It helps to have a team with which to work! 7&6=thirteen () 16:05, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
I 2nd this emotion Carptrash (talk) 16:55, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

you could nominate the man bio and the two monuments as a triple hook.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:42, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

What would the triple hook be? Any suggestions? I'm happy to do the grunt work (I've already got two articles I reviewed back so doing the QPQ won't be a problem). 7&6=thirteen () 20:04, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm a bit tied right now with other articles I promised I'd edit, I'll try to add more to the three in a day or two but you've done a great job "grunting" already. A triple hook? DYK that although John Angel spent much of his career in America, he designed the Exeter and Bridgwater memorials in the 1920s? Something like that.. Or as Coldwell suggests below. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:26, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

treble hook

Victory, War memorial, Northernhay Gardens, Exeter - - 293268.jpg

Suggestion for a treble hook: ... that John Angel parlayed his skills as a wood carver into world renown World War I war memorials of Exeter War Memorial (pictured) and Bridgwater War Memorial ? Good luck --Doug Coldwell talk 11:57, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

It works for me. Of course this is an appeal to the gods, so one never knows . . . Thanks, Doug 7&6=thirteen () 16:52, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
I submitted it as an ALT1 in your DYK nomination for "John Angel". I'm thinking that would be the proper procedure. Ask Dr. Blofeld if this is correct. Perhaps do a couple more Reviews (although not required) just to make sure everything is covered. Good luck.--Doug Coldwell talk 18:07, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
I submitted picture of Exeter War Memorial for DYK nomination. If you don't like that one, of course you can change it.--Doug Coldwell talk 19:47, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

John Angel Links


I very much appreciate the fine work you have done on articles covering Mr. Angel's work. However, I would humbly suggest that you use appropriate restraint when adding wikilinks to John Angel. For instance, St. Paul's School contains many wonderful works of sculpture, but it would be impractical to list all of them in the captions of the photos of the school. For this reason, I have undone the wikilink you placed in the article. Sincerely, Ebikeguy (talk) 16:54, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

I responded to you at Talk:St. Paul's School (Concord, New Hampshire). It's now up to you and those who may choose edit that article. Happy editing. 7&6=thirteen () 17:22, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
I responded there as well. Happy editing, and keep up the good work. Cheers, Ebikeguy (talk) 17:27, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
I responded on the page as well. I concur with ALT1, which is 148 characters. Given that this involves three DYKs, hook length should not be a problem. We need to include a picture in the hook, however. I already put in a second QPQ review. I will do a third QPQ review, and you may consider this to be my IOU, which I will redeem in the next couple of days. 7&6=thirteen () 18:12, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Reverted your edit

Hi. I reverted your addition of a space to Main Space Intelligence Centre as you added it to an external link which broke the link. Secretlondon (talk) 21:02, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Call of the Wild

Disambiguation hat note/page link ("other"). You removed the template Other uses|Call of the Wild (disambiguation). There are more than nine movies or television shows that share the name. See Call of the Wild (disambiguation). While the name of the articles are different, all the movies and television shows (but one) have the identical name. Your industrious removal from the many articles may have been in accord with what you read to be policy, but it makes no sense. This is routinely done with people who have the same name. See e.g., Fred Smith (bassist). I don't think that applying the rules in the manner you did helps the encyclopedia. I also recognize that my opinion isn't important. But I do think that there has got to be a better way. Happy editing. 7&6=thirteen () 15:56, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

WP:NAMB is a longstanding and widely used guideline for most articles. You are correct that articles for people tend to be an exception, although they really shouldn't be. Articles with distinct titles do not require hatnotes. My suggestion is the creation of a The Call of the Wild navigation template--on the model of {{Gone with the Wind}}, for example--that could be placed at the bottom of all the related pages.--ShelfSkewed Talk 16:11, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Excellent suggestion! The name and the concept has been the basis for a lot of creative endeavors. I was not just being perverse. 7&6=thirteen () 16:14, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar of Good Humor

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Thank you for making me smile and making my day for doing Elvis' Greatest Shit. It also got me to reflect on the when and what of my greatest. Bgwhite (talk) 20:49, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Thank you V - E - R - Y M - U - C - H. THANK YOU 7&6=thirteen () 20:54, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

RE: Current DYK

You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at foxj's talk page.foxj 19:10, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

And another! — foxj 19:27, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Jesús Blancornelas

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Seamus Mitt Romney dog incident

That video you are trying to put onto that article is from March 2012, it is not new, thus your summary of it is completely false. There is no evidence that it is of any value at all, it is just a couple of unnamed college students trying to be funny. Arzel (talk) 17:52, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

You are right. 7&6=thirteen () 18:13, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for John Angel (sculptor)

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Exeter War Memorial

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Hachikō statue photo

I understand the reasons for previous deletes of the photograph of the Hachikō statue. These files were on Commons and violated Japanese copyright law of pieces of artwork. The image I added is however uploaded to English Wikipedia and clearly labelled as Non-free content. From my understanding of copyright rules non-commercial use is allowed. Do you still believe this image cannot be added to the article? --Traveler100 (talk) 14:34, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Bridgwater War Memorial

The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Mail Call

Hi, I received your email. Right now I don't have the time to give the nomination the attention it deserves, but if it still requires a reviewer this weekend, I will try and take care of it. Canadian Paul 18:26, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. 7&6=thirteen () 12:57, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

I was just about to look them over, but it looks like I arrived a little too late. If you do still need me to take a look, just let me know. Canadian Paul 20:09, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. If it doesn't clear up, I'll bother you again. 7&6=thirteen () 20:12, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

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a new wikipedia service?

On-line Freudian analysis.
I feel better already.
Meanwhile, if you look at that kid's contributions it's something like 3 edits in a article 47 on talk pages.Maybe she should try again in a few years? Carptrash (talk) 17:46, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Not to mention that support or recognition (let alone friendliness) are kind of rare here. For many of us, this is a lonely avocation at best. 7&6=thirteen () 17:51, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Thanks for correcting all my poorly written citations in the Mail Bag articles. You are an expert in getting citations technically correct! Doug Coldwell talk 20:27, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Thank you Doug for putting up all those fine articles for me to work on. 7&6=thirteen () 20:37, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Russian corvette Navarin

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Soybean Car

File:Kudos Chocolate Chip.gif Kudos for citations
Kudos to you for the fine citation tweaks you did on Soybean Car. Thanks! Doug Coldwell talk 15:12, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Soybean Car

Do you know how to link abbreviated in line citations? Can you make any additional improvements to this article in the way of citations? Thanks.--Doug Coldwell talk 12:42, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Take a look. I linked the shortened references to the full citations. The simplest method that I've found is to add |ref= with a name to the full citations, and then link to that name in the footnote. Also, you can nest footnotes inside notes using {{#tag:ref|text of note|name=name of note|group=upper-alpha}}; the text of the note can contain <ref></ref> tags, which is something that I did in articles like U.S. Route 131. I hope that this helps. Imzadi 1979  15:20, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Jesús Blancornelas

Hey. Thanks for helping out in Blancornelas' article. It's now a GA. Happy editing! ComputerJA (talk) 13:05, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Julia Pirie

Do you have a source for including Julia Pirie as a SOE Agent? Because the article on Julia Pirie does not indicate that she has ever been an SOE Agent and the external sources that I have found do not indicate that she was an SOE Agent. With Thanks, King of Nothing (talk) 18:16, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Nothing beyond what was in the Wikipedia article. And Obituary: Julia Pirie: MI5 operative who for two decades worked at the heart of the British Communist Party I know nothing about this subject. I was only trying to deal with the Orphan tag. And from what I observed on Moonriddengirl's talk page, there may not be any other sources. 7&6=thirteen () 18:19, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
Oh, Okay. Just so you know SOE and MI5 are different and not the same thing. I thought maybe that you had some source you were working from, so I didn't wanna just revert it without checking with you first. As far as I could find, she definitely worked for MI5, but not for SOE. Thanks, Cheers. King of Nothing (talk) 02:29, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
I self undid. My mistake. That's why they put "delete" buttons on computers. 7&6=thirteen () 02:38, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Thank you for expanding the article on Margaret Meyer.
Tom Morris (talk) 23:35, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for the compliment. And Thank you for creating a fine article on an important person. 7&6=thirteen () 23:39, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
There's plenty more on that list on WP:ADA that I need to get around to. —Tom Morris (talk) 23:40, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

And another thing

Have you thought about running for adminship? You've got plenty of edits, an enviable 81.3% of which are in the article namespace, and seem to work hard and whatnot. WP:RFA is crying out for victimscandidates. Interested? —Tom Morris (talk) 23:39, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestion. You turn my head. But I am not interested in the headaches at this time. I'm more or less a content maker, not a process and people manipulator (although I do that stuff for a living). This is my respite from my normal work. So you have not turned my head around enough to part me from my senses. 7&6=thirteen () 23:45, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Washington Bee

Thank you for your valuable work on the new article on the Washington Bee, which has just received a DYK nomination. Booker T. Washington's papers indicate that he (or his friends) provided some nectar for the Bee. The world of pre-World War I U.S. journalism looks similar to the contemporary journalism of the Internet, with a wide variety of open, covert, and semi-covert political cross-subsidies. Bigturtle (talk) 01:05, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Glad to oblige. Very nice little article that you made there. 7&6=thirteen () 01:40, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for finding the images. Bigturtle (talk) 03:10, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
I could send them to you if you return my e-mail. The masthead had to be cut down from the paper. The other one is at LOC, of course, and I just downloaded it. 7&6=thirteen () 03:13, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
All in commons and in the article. 7&6=thirteen () 14:55, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your help on this DYK achievement! As you have seen it went through today (the 26th). Bigturtle (talk) 16:47, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
DYKs can be nice. I have 8 on the main page today. And I couldn't have done it without Doug Coldwell and you. 7&6=thirteen () 16:51, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mail bag

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mail pouch

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mail sack

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:04, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mail satchel

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:04, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Catcher pouch

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:05, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Pony Express mochila

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:05, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Portmanteau (mail)

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Robert Gill

Hello, I have added some info in the article Robert Gill. It makes the earlier DYK hook invalid. Can you suggest another hook there as an ALT? Shivashree (talk) 02:46, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

I will be on a wikibreak for today and tomorrow, going off right now. Do some research and add ref to you alt hook. Or you suggest another hook about his paintings burnt in fire etc or what you would find catchy. I won't mind you being a co-creator. Thanks! Shivashree (talk) 11:22, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Portmanteau (mail)

"Grr" is just an abbreviation save time instead of writing out "I fixed the misplaced semicolon," etc. Not to be taken too seriously. Though I did spot a few other errors after I made that correction, like "to much of a load" and "less that desirable," etc., so you might want to give it a good proofread. Just sayin'. Very interesting article, btw. :o) Textorus (talk) 02:50, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

you beat me

to that John Marshall undo by about 9 seconds. Hopefully the Tigers will do better than me. Carptrash (talk) 23:36, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I can undo it so that you can revert it. And I'm not counting on the Tigers. Sad. 7&6=thirteen () 00:28, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

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Co-credits on DYK noms

I added co-creator credits for you and Bigturtle on Robert Gill. You might want to keep that template as a Watched Page to refer back to - so you can see how the co-credits were added, if you need to see it. I think it's OK for you to go in and add yourself, or anyone else. Just be bold and step up and claim your co-creator credit. The worst that can happen is someone might post on the template challenging it. But maybe not. DYK likes to give credit where credit is due. You always have the article's history to back up your claim of how much you contributed. Good luck. — Maile (talk) 23:48, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the action and the advice. I was particularly concerned about Bigturtle, as I inveigled his participation and he is a really good editor. I like seeing good editors get positive reinforcement. thank you and happy editing. I was also unclear on the protocol of adding a name, and did not want to overstep. 7&6=thirteen () 23:53, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Mattheus Marinus Schepman

Thanks to you too Thirteen! Good work! We always need another bio of a malacologist, those articles are very important to our project and many of the most important ones are still lacking. :) Invertzoo (talk) 15:01, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Well I am not sure, it has been quite a long time since I submitted a DYK, and in the meantime the rules and process have changed quite a bit, plus I also am busy IRL. You could ask Anna maybe? I put a note on the project talk page yrying to get someone interested in submitting it. Invertzoo (talk) 18:09, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

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William O. Douglas

Douglas was twice injured in horseback riding incidents between October 1949 and the summer of 1950. The first accident caused Douglas to miss most of the term. Where would I make mention of this in his article? In the personal life section? I do have references for this. Please write back here and thanks....William 13:39, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

William, I agree. I didn't know anything about those accidents. Nice job. It seems like personal life is the only natural place to fit it in the existing structure of the article, but I'm no expert. I would say put it in and see what the other editors do with it. Given that you have references, the placement and their importance would seem to be the only likely issues, but I'd be surprised if they came up at all. Happy editing. 7&6=thirteen () 13:49, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
It could also be noted in the "under the bench" section, since the accident(s) interfered with the Justice's participation in the work of the Court for a term. More generally, there could be a section about Justice Douglas's participation: he participated actively in every term of the Court while he was a Justice, except for one term he missed much of as the result of the accident, and then the time he was away from the Court between his stroke and his retirement ... something along those lines? Newyorkbrad (talk) 14:59, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
NYB, My theory is that form follows function. It should logically follow and be pertinent. Relevance is to some extent in the eyes of the beholder. Try it both ways, and see which works out best. 7&6=thirteen () 16:12, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Robert Gill

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Mattheus Marinus Schepman

I am sorry to have to say this, but I just wanted to let you know Thirteen, that I was a bit surprised when I went to look at the Eichhorst reference last night. Although you told me a few days ago that you were trying to make sure your text was not a copyvio, a lot of the text seemed to end up as a close paraphrase. A too-close paraphrase counts as plagiarism as I am sure you know. You do also know I expect, that the best way to handle a source like that is to read it carefully several times until you are sure you understand it, and then write it yourself from scratch, making sure the prose does not come out more or less the same in sentence structure and paragraph structure as the original. If you are having trouble with that kind of thing, please try to get it all sorted out before you suggest that the piece be submitted as a DYK. Invertzoo (talk) 13:26, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

I'll rewrite it. Be back to you. It is all credited. But I take the concern seriously. 7&6=thirteen () 13:30, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
Done. If you look at the history, you will see that some of the rewriting by others removed my words and suibstituted phrases that were in the source. Best. 7&6=thirteen () 13:36, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
Oh I see, I am sorry that I suggested that you had done something that you did not do. Invertzoo (talk) 14:15, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
It's article creep. I had used phraseology and words that was either out of the ordinary or even stilted — purposefully to avoid close paraphrasing — and somebody tried to restore the natural order of things. Unfortunately, by doing that they got into the whole "close paraphrasing" thing. That is just a quagmire, kind of like the War in Iraq; and its just best not to go there. 7&6=thirteen () 14:21, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for noticing QRpedia

I was a bit surprised to see your note on Oliver Perry. I'd love to put a QRpedia code by his grave and then put a QRpedia notice on the talk page, but there are a few steps that need to be done first. I did look at the Common Burying Ground and Island Cemetery article, and it looks like there are lots of people buried there with Wiki articles who could benefit from a QRpedia code. First, we would need to get permission to post the codes, next buy a garden marker or similar display device, print and likely laminate the codes, get financing if needed (about $7 per marker-code), then place the codes before the ground freezes. Nothing hugely difficult, but it all needs to be done.

I was going through the Congressional Cemetery project that I did, to see how well it has worked and give the results to Wikimedia small grants and to the cemetery - you can tell me if you think it's worth it. I placed 60 codes there. Got $400 from small grants for the markers, but there were maybe $50 in other costs. Since June/July of the 36 articles I've checked, most of the codes have been scanned less than 5 times, but there are a couple big ones Leonard Matlovich (85 times) and John Quincy Adams (35), twelve others were scanned 10-25 times. The number of scans depends on where the grave is placed in the cemetery (esp. by walkways). The laminated codes are still working (with lots of scans around Halloween), and some after the hurricane.

I think it's a different experience walking through a place like Congressional Cemetery and being able to pull up a full wikipedia article on your cell phone. I have no question that this was worth it as a demo project. But what kind of scan numbers justify the cost and effort? More info at WT:QR and Commons:Commons:GLAM/QR codes/Congressional Cemetery.

If you want to do anything like this, I'd be glad to help. Smallbones(smalltalk) 14:15, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

How neat. Did not know what was involved, or that it was that involved, but I truly appreciate your response. Let me think on it. There are a ton of places in the Cleveland area where this would be appropriate, e.g., some of the monuments where there would be traffic and use. It would probably have to involve some interested historical group. Let me think on it. 7&6=thirteen () 14:29, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Sweden lunar sample displays

Apparently by the last Reviewer there is a need for expansion on the Sweden article. I'm at a lost for words. IF you could add 100-200 characters to the History section that would help a lot. Perhaps you, as another editor, can find things I can not. Google search? Thanks.--Doug Coldwell talk 15:54, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

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Doug, there are significant issues with the nomination of the William Calvin Chase article, enough so that I have had to strike all the proposed hooks, and question a notable assertion in the article. Can you please look into the issues I've raised and supply a new hook? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:17, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Dear 7&6=thirteen, Can you handle this? Doug

Hello 7&6, I know you and Doug have been working on this DYK. My apologies for having been working on other things over the past week. I have now added some citations for: (a) Chase's vote as a RNC delegate for Taft in 1912; and (b) Chase's death in 1921. In the course of research I discovered that Chase had been posthumously honored by a D.C. Council resolution, so I added that also. Bigturtle (talk) 05:08, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
If you need a hook #6 for Chase/DYK, the D.C. Council resolution/posthumous tie to Frederick Douglass historic preservation could provide it. Bigturtle (talk) 05:24, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

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This is for your exceptionally courteous and reasoned handling of the QPQ situation at the Apollo 11 DYK. It shows a lot of class, and care for the DYK project as a whole. Thank you! Yazan (talk) 01:25, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for the recognition. It is better to be barned and starred — than it is to be tarred and feathered. 7&6=thirteen () 01:33, 14 November 2012 (UTC)


Thanks so much! Yoninah (talk) 09:39, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

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Justin Butterfield

If you have the time, I would appreciate your looking at a new article on General Land Office commissioner Justin Butterfield (1790-1855). This well-connected lawyer, who enjoyed a life relatively close to the center of many serious U.S. historical events of the early 1800s, did not have an article of his own until today. Bigturtle (talk) 04:31, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

I took a quick cut at it. Will think about it and be back later. Great article on an interesting player. 7&6=thirteen () 11:00, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
---Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:06, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
See User talk:Bigturtle#Justin Butterfield for explanation of Template usage. I think the word I was looking for was "translucent" or something like that. Its transparent to where the Template has been placed. Can you give BigTurtle that word that I am looking for that explains it appears AUTOMATICALLY whereever this Template has been placed (many places). Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:39, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) "transcluded" or "transclusion" is the term. See Wikipedia:Transclusion. Chris857 (talk) 22:21, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Chris857 (mmmm, 857 = birthday perhaps?)--Doug Coldwell (talk) 22:47, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for William Calvin Chase

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I put the QPQ Reviews in 3 columns of 10 Reviewed articles each, so it is easy for the finalizing Administrator to see. Yoninah has added at the end of the Template a "Final warp" which I thought to be an ingenious idea to show we are basically all done - waiting for the finalizer to approve.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

  • We are looking real good! Its in Queue 4 and I think it comes out tomorrow...--Doug Coldwell (talk) 22:53, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
I am amazed at the speed of this. Quicker than I ever expected. 7&6=thirteen () 23:14, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
Me too! We didn't have any editors harrassing us - only editors that contributed to its accomplishment. I believe in the Law of attraction and we all focused on positive results.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:43, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

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3RR report garbled

Hello 7&6. Do you think you could withdraw your report of warring at the Sunset Marquis Hotel until you can fix the formatting? If you are trying to use the 3rr.php tool, remember that there is a box you need to check to make it create HTML output. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 04:13, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Ed, I have put in the diffs. I'm afraid that I have literally never done this before, and I don't know to which box you are referring. 7&6=thirteen () 04:15, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
I assume you're using In that case, fill in 'Sunset Marquis Hotel' and 'Capo689'. Then check the box which appears two lines below, for HTML output. Then hit 'Generate' and you should get:
==User:Capo689 reported by EdJohnston (talk) (Result: )==

Page: Sunset Marquis Hotel (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

User being reported: Capo689 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)

Time reported: 04:23, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

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  1. 18:48, 27 November 2012 (edit summary: "")
  2. 01:58, 28 November 2012 (edit summary: "Undid revision 525227492 by Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk)")
  3. 02:56, 28 November 2012 (edit summary: "")
  4. 02:59, 28 November 2012 (edit summary: "")

Forgot to say that this spits out a page of HTML, which you can just paste into the edit window for whatever report you're making. If you did it correctly the URL which appears at the top of your browser will display:

Hope this works for you. EdJohnston (talk) 04:23, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

User:Capo689 reported by User:7&6=thirteen (Result: )

Page: Sunset Marquis Hotel (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)

User being reported: Capo689 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)

Time reported: 04:37, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

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Diffs of WP:3RR warnings on his talk page:

I also warned him in the edit summaries in the article:

   21:20, 27 November 2012‎ 7&6=thirteen (talk | contribs)‎ . . (8,690 bytes) (-413)‎ . . (Undid revision 525247482 by Capo689 (talk) Reads like an ad. WP:NPOV WP:RS WP:ELNO [WP:OR]] Take it to the talk page please) (undo)
   21:58, 27 November 2012‎ 7&6=thirteen (talk | contribs)‎ . . (8,692 bytes) (-411)‎ . . (Undid revision 525254117 by Capo689 (talk) Please take it to the talk page.WP:3RR)

7&6=thirteen (☎) 04:37, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Just a line ...

No change of behaviour here, then?  –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 18:44, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I was hoping for the best, even as I feared the worst. I don't know why he feels the need to 'walk around with a chip on his shoulder.' Is that an expression understood by a Welshman? Sorry for being colloquial. We tried, but some personalities are just self destructive and paranoid. He seems to fit that bill. And he will be dispatched in due course, I imagine. Pity that. 7&6=thirteen () 23:22, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
I switched on this morning to read that he has a fortnight's block.
Oh yes, we definitely use that expression here, or "Mae sglodion ar ei ysgwydd," if you dare. –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 09:48, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
You would think that a two week block would get his attention. But you would be wrong. He is no more capable of reforming his behavior (or behaviour) than a leopard can change its spots. It is ingrained and pathogenic, not malleable, rational or reformable. I would predict that he is working on an indefinite block, and then sockputteting, He needs the attention, and craves the confrontation. Being a troll is for him a compulsion. As my late uncle Bill once wrote in haiku:
Tiny little moth
Seeking joy in candle light.
Damned idiot.William Lomaka
 7&6=thirteen () 15:31, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
That is brilliant.  –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 15:41, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
He was a brilliant man. Spoke English, Ukrainian, German and Arabic fluently and like a native. He had been a spy catcher for the U.S. Army CI (mainly in West Germany) during the Cold War. A very smart and creative man. The quote was so good that I thought attribution was in order, lest this just get credited to the over abundantly used "Anonymous". 7&6=thirteen () 15:47, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
Judging from your own prose, you have inherited more than 'something' from your uncle (paternal or maternal?)  –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 16:03, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

My uncle Bill was on the maternal side. My father was a brilliant man in his own right — he was assigned for part of World War II on detached service to the R.A.F. – as a U.S. Army Sergeant former bombardier/radio man on Martin B-26 Marauders in the 9th U.S. Army Air Corps – to Bletchley Park. What exactly he did there he wouldn't say. That was itself a signal honor (pun intended), he had real analytical ability. Before and after the war, he helped organize the entire paint and chemical industry in Michigan for the United Mine Workers Union and thereafter became a mediator for the Michigan Employment Relations Commission for 28 years. And I have more or less followed in his professional footsteps. 7&6=thirteen () 16:15, 11 December 2012 (UTC)


re- Your revision (last night)
What is the significance of this:- {{Reflist|2}}
-- Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 14:23, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Put the references into 2 columns and they take up less space. No significance, other than that's what it does. Makes it more reader friendly and compact, I think. 7&6=thirteen () 14:25, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Wow! A two minutes service. Always trying to learn, so many thanks for that. Cheers! -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 14:31, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Quick off the mark
Ha, ha! Thanks for that. Been back to their talk page and edited the level 1
Also replied to message and included an hyperlink – all in the pursuit of further education.
Last night I noticed another {{Reflist|*** and could not detect a diff when compared with the original which was just "Reflist". Cheers! -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 11:35, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
In the article "HISTORY" click on the link to the prior iteration. You'll see the difference. 7&6=thirteen () 12:49, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
Mmmm ... I did that at the time. Wish I could remember the article, but as it wasn't in need of revision I have no record. -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 17:34, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
Sunset Marquis Hotel sound familiar? 7&6=thirteen () 17:40, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
You explained that above (two columns, etc.)
This one retained the one column. I wish I could get back to it. -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 17:46, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
Gareth, which article are we working on? If you already worked on it, you should be able to click on your CONTRIBUTIONS and get back to it. 7&6=thirteen () 19:09, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
Sorry to say that I cannot find it today, because it did not require a revision last night when I spotted the change, consequently no contribution.. -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 19:16, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
Might be in your browser history — JMOprof (talk) 00:53, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks — JMOprof — it will turn up one day. -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 07:49, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

─────────────────────────It has ... {{Reflist|30em|refs=
This produces three columns, but then so did the previous version ... {{Reflist|3|refs=
no apparent difference as far as I could see. Also both have the addition of "|refs=" compared with your version above.
Cheers! -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 23:00, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The 30em means that each column will be at least that wide, and will format the references with the number of columns appropriate to the size of your browser window. For you, that happens to be 3 columns. For me, it is probably 2 columns. Chris857 (talk) 04:11, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Chris857! Always glad to meet anotherfriendly (talk page stalker). It is all clear to me now. Cheers! -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 10:32, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for George Ronan

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How to address copyright issues

Hi. The article has had to be deleted again, I'm afraid.

My guess at this point is that you may be the copyright holder. Many copyright holders believe that removing the material from publication elsewhere frees it to be placed here, but this is not actually the case. Copyright term lasts for the lifetime of the author + 70 years after death. If the content is pulled from the internet, that doesn't make it easier for us to use it, but actually harder.

If you are the copyright holder, the best way for you to alleviate this issue is to make sure the content is still visible on the internet (at this point, I can only view it through archive) and to place a license release there that says the following:

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Please note that this the license under which text content on Wikipedia is released - it's important to recognize that wherever you publish it, it will be available for modification and reuse, even commercially, so long as reusers meet the terms of the license.

There are alternate ways to release this content, but this is really the simplest. If you can have that done and let me know, I will restore the article and provide proper evidence of license. If this is not a good way for you to release the material and you would prefer to do it by email, please let me know. I'll be happy to help you with that. If you are not the copyright holder, we will need permission from whoever is.

To get in touch with me, please use the "talk" link following my username. Alternatively, you can attract help from anyone by placing this (curly brackets and all) on your page and explaining what you need: {{helpme}}

I apologize for the complexity here, but as license is a legal issue we must ensure that we document it properly. We are not able to make assumptions about copyright ownership here.

Thank you. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:31, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Fourth dimension in art

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Message to Garcia, er, Stan

Hola Stan .. I just got an Wiki e-mail from you, to wit, "Would you please take a look at this. They are getting a "fast trial" (not a 'speedy trial') and a quick deletion. I think the railroad is stacked up and on its way." I'm totally unclear as to what you are referring to. As a side note, I see that you've been doing fabulous work on Wiki. Congrats .... ♦ Luigibob ♦ "Talk to Luigi!" 22:00, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

You know more about Wikipedia movies than almost anyone. Please take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roberta Brown and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andrew Helm. I would value your opinion. If I'm wrong I'm wrong. 7&6=thirteen () 22:08, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Hey - 13 - Message to Garcia, er, Stan

Okay Stan .. voted on Roberta Brown (Keep) ... and passed on the other. Might be editing Film Noirs again soon, & actually may be UPLOADING lots of both entertainment & politicians images (I am a full time professional photographer working both the entertainment world & California politics) .. I just want to make sure that even if I am placing the images in the public domain I will receive PHOTO CREDIT .. if not, I will NOT be doing that .... Stay cool Stan.! ♦ Luigibob ♦ "Talk to Luigi!" 19:18, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look. Hope all goes well. 23:52, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for 1975 LaGuardia Airport Bombing

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:03, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Bholu (mascot)

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:54, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Brad Zellar

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:59, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for North American Piedmontese cattle

Harrias talk 12:01, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

"Welcome!" message copypasta'd to multiple people's Talk pages

I'd like to thank you for your "Welcome to WikiPedia" message. It's a shame it comes several years late. I also notice that you added your message to the talk pages of several other accounts, on articles that I had edited. Could it be that you're using a crawler to gather account names, so you can 'Welcome' them, and pad your edit count? While I doubt this is actually against the rules, I'm not certain, and I think it's kind of scummy. Kindest regards, Interstellarsurfer (talk) 06:55, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

All manual.
No crawler. If I had the level of information you imply there wouldn't be the errors you perceive. WP:AGF. 7&6=thirteen () 11:31, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

"Welcome!" message copypasta'd to multiple people's Talk pages

All manual. No crawler. If I had the level of information you imply there wouldn't be the errors you perceive. I saw your edits at Fireball Cinnamon Whisky, and noticed you had a red linked talk page. This was tabula rasa when I welcomed you. And ordinarily, as here, I manually enter ''Subst: Welcome-t/RF''. So your "copy paste" observation is unfounded. Sorry to irritate you. WP:AGF. Good luck. 7&6=thirteen () 11:57, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Something about DYK for Max Deutsch and me trying to delete it.

I heard what you said and I never tried to delete anything on Max Deutsch, I don't even remember going on the page. But also why did you say that a fact was made by me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ae9000ae (talkcontribs) 16:00, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Not interested in debating this. You nominated it for deletion It's now a Did You Know. Figure it out. 16:14, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
But I don't remember trying to delete anything about Max Deutsch. Ae9000ae (talk)
Apparently somebody else was using your account when they posted a deletion notice here. 7&6=thirteen () 22:17, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK for New York lunar sample displays

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:23, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for North Carolina lunar sample displays

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:23, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Oregon lunar sample displays

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:24, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for West Virginia lunar sample displays

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:25, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

30-in-1 record

Wikipedia:Did you know/Hall of Fame#DYK hooks with 5 or more articles ----Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:36, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Barnstar of Diligence Hires.png The Barnstar of Diligence
Thanks a bunch for your excellent citation references to be able to accomplish the 30-in-1 DYK record breaker we did. Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:33, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
I appreciated the opportunity you created. Thank you. 14:57, 17 November 2012 (UTC) 7&6=thirteen () 15:57, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Issue warning re- Harry Houdini

Regarding ...

I wanted to let you know that two of your recent contributions to Harry Houdini have been reverted. Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 5:17 pm, Today (UTC+0)

Please stop your disruptive editing! If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you have yet again at Harry Houdini, you may be blocked from editing. Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 5:25 pm, Today (UTC+0)

Huh? Surely you jest. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 5:26 pm, Today (UTC+0)
I had already spotted my error, and removed my post/s before seeing your note, for which I thank you. Thought I was posting on the IP's page. Cheers! -- Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 17:36, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Berean made many good and substantial contributions to that article. He should be getting barnstars, not brickbats. If you looked at his work and edit history, you would have been better apprised. In any event, glad you caught your error. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen () 17:45, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate your involvement!

Export hell seidel steiner.png I can see that you are a good friend to have. Cheers! Gareth Griffith-Jones/The Welsh Buzzard 17:54, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

More QPQs

Hi, Here are two more QPQs for your 30-in-1 nomination:

(I noted the donation on the template.) Best, Yoninah (talk) 23:10, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

I would acknowledge this as a Mitzvah, but there is a school of thought that doing so is antithetical and an oxymoron. Thank you. 'nuf said. 7&6=thirteen () 23:33, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Here's one more:
No need to suffer when other DYK multi-nominators are getting off scot-free :). Yoninah (talk) 23:45, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Every contribution I make to wikipedia is an act of good (or so I delude myself), not suffering. It may be true that I would not have done this particular work, but I would be doing something else. In this case, virtue is its own reward. I do also believe that wikifriends like you make this worthwhile. That we were able to complete the 30-n-1 DYK process so seamlessly and collegially was extraordinary. It was a prototype as to how wikipedia is supposed to work. 7&6=thirteen () 23:52, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Ida Barney

How's that? I'm not sure if that's what you were looking for? --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 01:53, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

I fixed it up. Discovered some more sources and links too. Thanks for the suggestion, but I think this looks right. Take a look and let me know if that works for you. 7&6=thirteen () 02:56, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Looks fine to me. I'm not really much of a formatting person, though, so what do I know? :-) --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 06:18, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Er, go about your business. Nothing to see here. 7&6=thirteen () 12:24, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mattheus Marinus Schepman

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Picture uploading tool

  • The default on Flickr is 'Some rights reserved'. You have to ask the picture owner about a specific picture to downgrade to "Attribution Creative Commons". Then use this tool to upload the picture. It will only upload pictures with the correct license. Foolproof!--Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:29, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. 7&6=thirteen () 12:32, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ida Barney

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Your talk page archives

I was quite confused by the fact that you created earlier talk page archives but have been unable to do them recently, so I went to WP:HD. Turns out that last June (i.e. after you created Archive 4, but before it was time to create Archive 5) the title blacklist was expanded to restrict the creation of page with characters such as & and = with the apparent purpose of preventing people from creating URLs as article titles. Nyttend (talk) 00:07, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) - I followed the link on WP:AN here to say that I would ask at the office to see why... thanks for fulfilling my curiosity, Nyttend. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 08:22, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

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Ferlo Desert

Thanks for the review. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:48, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Glad to help. I try to be positive and get these things resolved, approved and moved. Thanks for the article. 7&6=thirteen () 16:50, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

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Don't know if you check mail, so just in case. :) Writ Keeper 00:36, 27 November 2012 (UTC)  Done 7&6=thirteen () 00:42, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Mikołaj Zyblikiewicz

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:01, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Justin Butterfield

The DYK Project (Nominate) 00:02, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your hard work on this! Bigturtle (talk) 00:53, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
It was a joint effort. Best to you. 7&6=thirteen () 01:07, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

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Carl Breer

Great improvements you are making to the article. The book references in the Bibliography can also be found in Google Books (with some pages not on Preview). --Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:45, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Eugene Turenne Gregorie

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Here are my latest Chrysler related articles:

--Doug Coldwell (talk) 17:57, 17 December 2012 (UTC)


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Perhaps ... no, it's better to rescue

Well thank you Gareth. This pooch looks like a big but worthwhile commitment. 7&6=thirteen () 18:50, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
I felt I had to do something to take care of the pup, who needs a name. 7&6=thirteen () 00:11, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
Large Dog food bowl.jpg
Roly, perhaps? But it must be your choice.
Oh, I forgot to check; dog or bitch?  –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 08:16, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
Well done Chris. Haven't seen that one {{-}} before –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 20:43, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
She looks like a girl to me. Still pondering a name. 21:03, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
Yes, female. How about "Anwe"..? In English only one syllable, so no good in English/needs translating –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 22:50, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Is this a variation of Anna (given name)? I take it she's of Welsh ancestry, but I'm sure we'll overcome the language issue. Although I have seen German-trained Schutzhund police dogs, whose U.S. partners spoke to them in German, as that was that was the language for the commands they had been trained on. :} Sonja, my late Leonberger bitch, and I once encountered a Schutzhund trainer who gave her the Schutzhund "test"; and he said, "she's got it." She was a very smart and aware doggie (unlike her laid back brother, Alex, who tended to take everything at face value). 7&6=thirteen () 12:56, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Good stories. What do you think if the revamp to this template?
Now regarding Anwe, W & Y are a vowels in Welsh – "Ann-oo-ur"Try this! –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 18:15, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Great name! Thanks. 7&6=thirteen () 18:18, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
... so the link worked. Wasn't sure that it would for you.
I have just read this reply here –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 18:40, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Hungarian confectioner, József C. Dobos (1847–1924)

I just love a "double dash"
Thank you! It looks a truly, tempting treat  –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 07:59, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

One awards a guy a barnstar and his reply dives into one's five-layer sponge cake, layered with chocolate buttercream and topped with thin caramel slices. I see you noticed my frustrated attempts to clear it up –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 19:25, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
I think I've fixed it. Sorry about that. 7&6=thirteen () 19:26, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
You have. Nightscream's fault for not clicking at the top of the page to start a new section. Ha, ha! Admins eh –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 19:40, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Barnstar of Good Humour (sp.)
Barnstar of Humour Hires.png The Barnstar of Good Humor
This made me smile:
"The collegial editing environment on Wikipedia would be just fine if it wasn't for all those other people."

bore da
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 09:20, 20 December 2012 (UTC)


Thanks. All done, including replying on the IP's Talk.
Did you follow me to here? –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 22:59, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Greetings! Merry Christmas and a happy New Year

  • I admire your greeting card. Thank you.
    It is great "working" on Wikipedia with you.
    Wishing you a fun time over the holiday and a fruitful 2013 –
     – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 10:33, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
Post script→‎I am now a 'Reviewer'!
Congratulations on being a 'Reviewer'. When they conferred it upon me, I did not let the change in status rope me into more work. 7&6=thirteen () 14:16, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
Once again, you and I are right on the same wavelength – it could be a thankless task pulling me away from copy-editing, which I love. Still it is pleasurable to have the recognition. –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 19:35, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Next time the world almost ends...

...please remember to pass out free images in your barnstars instead of non-free ones. Cheers! VernoWhitney (talk) 00:52, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

REM image Thanks for the reminder, and thank you for substituting an image, not just removing it. Next time I'll know better. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen () 01:02, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
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Peace is a state of balance and understanding in yourself and between others, where respect is gained by the acceptance of differences, tolerance persists, conflicts are resolved through dialogue, peoples rights are respected and their voices are heard, and everyone is at their highest point of serenity without social tension.

As you archive so frequently (unlike some editors ...) I thought that this would
a) Brighten up your page, and
b) Add a serious tone amidst all the hilarity.
All the best to you and yours –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 10:55, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


Thank you for the warm welcome =) (talk) 20:03, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Once is never enough with a guy like you

The story of the 4th Wiseman

I do believe that this card explains
a lot of the hitherto misunderstood
and even ignored origins of a variety of Christmas stories.
I am considering writing an article about the theology involved
but am having a difficult time with sources.
Oh well,
have a good one, it does appear
that we have made it through the worst of 2012,
which is a great start to 2013
Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 16:10, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

I like the card about the 4 wise guys. Looking forward to seeing your article. Nicely done. 7&6=thirteen () 20:35, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
We're you mentioning the immortal Do that to me one more time the NUMBER ONE hit by Captain and Tennille in 1979? It was so good that I had almost completely forgotten about it. Now it's a recurrent blurb in my head. Thanks! 7&6=thirteen () 20:41, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Well yes. Glad that i could add to your X-mas cheer. Carptrash (talk) 20:45, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

And don't forget, the great Hal Blaine is playing on it. Carptrash (talk) 20:48, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
You couldn't prove it by the Wikipedia article on Hal Blaine, which doesn't mention Do that to me one more time. 7&6=thirteen () 20:52, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Inconcievable Yet a quick check of my sources shows Blaine on Love Will Keep Us Together, Muskrat Love and You've Never Done it Like That, but . . . . ..... Inconcievable Carptrash (talk) 21:12, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't get it either. Unfortunately, I don't happen to have a hard copy of that record. Of course, this was also he duo's first work with a new producer. So you never know. 7&6=thirteen () 21:17, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
Vinyl - What a great idea. My C&T Greatest Hits has Blaine all over it . . but it turns out was released before Do That to Me One More Time came out so, close but no cigar. I now doubt that he is on it because his autobiography is pretty complete about what he played and charted on and he certainly would not have missed a #1. Being wrong is good for me keeps my humble. Sort of. Carptrash (talk) 21:54, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
Particularly since he stamped everything. According the the Wikipedia article. Somebody that OCD would not forget. 7&6=thirteen () 21:56, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Traverse City

We seem to have a disagreement over how to handle the notables that where effected by the ip editor. Your edit summary for reverting my edit isn't very useful I don't know if your referring to Moore or Olson. Moore's article says he was born in Davison Michigan so as I said in my edit he doesn't appear to have been a resident so he shouldn't be on the page. Olson doesn't even have a page so whether he is from this place or not I don't know, but that's the point neither would someone else reading the article and there is no way to easily check that without a reference or Wikipedia page.Jamo2008 (talk) 18:19, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

The ip edit wasn't me my use of the term revert was a mistype on my part I meant to say undid. I am fine with both of them being there now you obviously seem to have known they were residents off the top of your head, this was not the case for me so that was just my opinon based on the evidence as I saw it at the time.Jamo2008 (talk) 18:50, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
No disagreement. I replied on your talk page. I put it all back. Complete WP:RS References and citations are in Traverse City, Michigan article. You are right that we should (ideally) have a reliable source. Moore has spent a lot of money in that town, and he brought a film festival because of his close connection. Obviously, he spends some time, and a lot of money, in that large 10,000 sq. ft. house on Torch Lake. 7&6=thirteen () 18:53, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

A little something to luxuriate and take pleasure in ...

Trust you and your beloved will enjoy this little token, a favourite performance of Baby, it's Cold Outside, for your holiday amusement ... and for contrast, I offer this rendering of my absolute favourite carol.
Gareth Griffith-Jones – The WelshBuzzard
 – 11:39, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
(talk page stalker)The lip sync. is terrific, esp the "girl" -- Ebrillcawodydd - 11:39, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Notable people lists

The standard, as I understand it, is that there is enough sourcing to merit the article. WP:NLIST As far as I know, you need at least two sources for a BLP. Am I wrong? And altho it is just an essay, I am a firm believer in WP:WTAF. I am sorry, but a dog is never going to be a notable resident of any city. I patrol a bunch of pages in the city and school groups, and I always stick to that standard, as namecruft inevitably slips in unless you do. I will leave Bay City be for a while, and I will try to do an article on at least one of the people, but I wanted you to understand where I was coming from. You're a good editor, maybe you could write some of the articles? Happy editing! Gtwfan52 (talk) 04:59, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

New Year's Eve

iechyd a lwc dda i chi ac yn eich blwyddyn annwyl nesaf
Gareth Griffith-Jones – The WelshBuzzard – 09:07, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

3rd AFD, Deleting Jared Jeffrey

7&6=thirteen () 21:45, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Subtle case of self-promotion?

Recently I noticed some edits to Eureka, California where an editor added a non-notable musician and added two group names after the musician's name: Blackhouse and Psyclones. Both pages have citation problems when compared with WP:MUSIC guidelines. I left a note on the user's page whose edit I reverted. Then I noticed a second user who made major additions to both these pages and who hasn't been very active recently. There is also a very odd page at a third user's page which looks like an extensive and totally unsourced biography of the non-notable individual whose name was inserted on Eureka, California in the first place. I'm thinking some form of WP:SPIP expecially after reading the third user's page history looking at comments and edits. I was wondering your opinion (and that of the talk page stalkers) on this tangle? Ellin Beltz (talk) 01:56, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

It certainly looks suspicious. I think the way to deal with this is mainly to make sure they are citing to WP:RS and that the Wikipedcia aticle are written from a WP:NPOV, and not a WP:promotion. Also, the effusive verbiage either should be eliminated or be in quotes. The connection of the non-notable musician to the musical should have a reference in at least one of the articles. Hope that helps. 7&6=thirteen () 13:12, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

New message from Gareth Griffith-Jones - Replying

You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at Gareth_Griffith-Jones#You_might_like_to_watch_this's talk page.11:24, 2 January 2013 (UTC)


Don't know if you saw, but this [2] premieres on Monday. Looks like it'll be available for streaming after, too. As a fellow Blancornelas collaborator, thought you might be interested! Cheers, and happy belated New Year, -- Khazar2 (talk) 03:26, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Khazar2. I will record watch this. 7&6=thirteen () 11:09, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

An Award for You

Flag map of Michigan.svg Promotion of the place where people describe where they live by pointing to a spot on their hand award
For all your great work promoting articles about my former (and always dearest) state. Gtwfan52 (talk) 08:36, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
Well thank you very much. Anybody can do one peninsula, but I do two.
Actually, if you put your right hand palm up. And then on your left hand tuck in your ring and baby fingers, and extend your left thumb. Now place the joint of your left middle finger over the tip of the right middle finger. Congratulations. You have now used both hands to describe two peninsulas. 7&6=thirteen () 11:08, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Bicholim AfD

I refactored your comment at the Bicholim AfD. As it was archived a week ago, it’s probably better not to add to the original comments at all, but they certainly shouldn't be slotted into the archive as if they are part of the original discussion. Anyway, there it is...Moonraker12 (talk) 14:15, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


Hi there. Thank you for all your work on Clifton Suspension Bridge; it's great. Please note that the correct spelling in British English (BrE) is "travellers" as contrasted with the AmE "travelers". Sorry to nitpick! Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 23:31, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

You're most welcome, and thank you for the nice note. It's a source of ongoing bafflement to me how these conventions work. "Two great nations separated by a common language", and all that! Cheers, DBaK (talk) 08:13, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
PS As you have done all that hard work on the article, I wonder if you have seen the bridge in real life? If not, please put it high up on some things-to-do-and-see list - it really is a terrific spot. Bristol is where I spent my teenage years and it is the most fabulous city, with lots of striking features. Cheers, DBaK (talk) 08:15, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Not seen it. Looks wonderful, surely. I was just copy editing; I saw your post on Blofeld's page and thought I'd lend a helping hand. With the exception of the one incomplete sentence that I noted on the talk page, I think it looks pretty good. 7&6=thirteen () 13:43, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Well, it's great that you've turned up to help out. It is indeed a very fine thing to see; and that is a fascinating and historic corner of Bristol (itself a really terrific city) so, as I say, please make sure it is on your bucket list. Bristol's about an hour and a half from London by fast train so not in any way difficult to access if you are over here. Another thing to note - the article mentions that the TV program(me) Climbing Great Buildings covered the bridge. If this shows up on PBS or BBC America or whatever please, please see it - it is absolutely stunning! Cheers DBaK (talk) 19:50, 13 January 2013 (UTC)


I'll stop badmouthing you. Carptrash (talk) 02:34, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Coal companies of Australia

Just got another one "put away for three days"—this IP and this article history –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 07:50, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Good job. Hard to WP:AGF on that history. Another vandal and troll bites the dust. 7&6=thirteen () 12:52, 12 January 2013 (UTC)
It does provide some satisfaction, although I sometimes resent my time spent on the anti-vandalism aspect of this "job".
Interesting that your third wikilink took me to a "soft direct" before I finished up here –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 13:52, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm at a loss

I really don't know what to do with this page Doyle Doss. I have searched a little bit and other than this fellow's website I don't see anything about him. There is also the uncited anonymous statement at the bottom of the page. Being resident in this area, I need to ask for help doing whatever needs to be done about this. Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:50, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

I removed some content and have asked that it be REDACTED by an Admin. 7&6=thirteen () 19:57, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, is "redacted" the same thing as marked for deletion? Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:07, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
So that the content is SUPPRESSED. Won't be accessible as part of the history or visible as a prior version of the document. (Deletion log); 15:07 . . HJ Mitchell (talk | contribs) changed visibility of 3 revisions on page Doyle Doss: content hidden ‎(RD2: Grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material) 7&6=thirteen () 20:08, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
I saw that you added this fellow to "American Inventors," do you really think he's notable enough to even stay in the project? I see one YouTube and an article, which doesn't really seem like "Notability" guidelines have been met. PS if you look at his webpage one of his inventions is just some flowerpots flipped over a dollar store candle. Ellin Beltz (talk) 02:06, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
I was being WP:bold and trying to give it some kind of category. That would seem to be the one that fits for now. He may not be notable particularly. He's no Thomas Edison or Elijah McCoy or Nikola Tesla. But he is an inventor of something. I don't know what the threshold of notability is for inventors to be in the category. 7&6=thirteen () 02:17, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi, 13. I certainly think the above fella is wrong. If he thinks the dude isn't notable, he should send the article to AfD. But as long as it is in the encyclopedia, the guy is an inventor and an American, so why shouldn't he be in that category? Notability has nothing to do with categorization. After all, it isn't "Americans who have invented worthwhile products." I don't know what has happened previously at this article, but it seems very close to G11 CSD. Happy editing! Gtwfan52 (talk) 04:34, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

I tend to agree with you. Deletion might be an alternative. I know almost nothing about this subject, other than the wee bit that is in the article. I was simply asked for help, and I've done what I could with the issues when they were presented. 7&6=thirteen () 04:49, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

I marked the article for deletion because I can't even find the company he's supposed to head in the local Humboldt County telephone book. I don't see anything but the two brief articles about his stuff. His webpage is comical at best. I asked another resident of this area to take a quick look and tell me if they had ever heard of / could find anything about online about this man, and neither of us found anything to suggest notability under the concept that he made any form of lasting contribution to American inventing. He doesn't hold any patents or have any patent applications. He's no Ron Popeil ! Ellin Beltz (talk) 05:11, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

The Beverly Hills Hotel

Last night I went to our old haunt, just to check it out and have a drink or two. Didn't see you there but I decided to make a few alterations while I was there.
Definitely is not up to the same standard of The Beverly Hills Hotel
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I see that you edited the talk page of User:TheOriginalSoni/Rolling_Ball. May I ask if you have read it? Mind leaving your thoughts on the same?

TheOriginalSoni (talk) 15:33, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

I read it. I thought the minor refactoring might be of use. If not please feel free to revert. Ciao. 7&6=thirteen () 15:50, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
It was indeed useful. I was asking what you thought about the page itself (not the talk page). I am asking other users for feedback to see where this can lead to. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 15:56, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
I noodled up replies and suggestions on your WP: User page and your talk page. Happy editing. 7&6=thirteen ()


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And again. If you're watching the page, and dont want TBs, do tell. I understand they can be irritating at times. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 17:33, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I've got your page on my Watchlist. But I actually am not on line all the time, and it is possible that whatever might show up currently for your page on my watch list would not be of concern to me. So I welcome the communication. We are all in the same cooperative enterprise, which unfortunately seems to be forgotten in the struggles of editing. 7&6=thirteen () 17:46, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Alright. It's time to get the Wiki back into Wikipedia. :) TheOriginalSoni (talk) 17:56, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
I agree. There seems to be regular violations of the spirit of WP:Own, WP:AGF, and the interjection of the notion that editing is a Zero sum game. There is also a failure to give out rewards. We act as though giving out a barnstar is costing us individually something. This anal retentive behavior is part of the problem in retention of editors. The focus seems to be on negatives WP:ANI, not on positive reinforcement. I tried to get Dr. Blofeld a little bit of recognition for reaching 1000 DYKs (and Jimbo thought it was a good idea), and the whole thing became a mess — a veritable Tar baby. These people could F-up a wet dream. 7&6=thirteen () 18:06, 17 January 2013 (UTC) 18:06, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Now that I think of it, that looks like a pretty good statement to put on the page (Lets get the wiki back into wikipedia). :)
About Dr Blofeld, yes I remember. I was one of the few who saw your attempts and agreed to it. I got it as far as an RFC but then community decision trumped. To be fair, they had their own principles and procedures to follow, but I agree it was better had we celebrated his 1000th DYK.
In spirit, I agree to may of your above statements, as do many other editors, but I am pretty sure anyone who speaks it out in so many words is bound to be trumped by the community. Nobody shall think twice before hammering down anybody who speaks so strongly, even if its the truth.
Wikipedia has definitely become a huge democracy and possibly even a bureaucracy, even if we say otherwise on record.
[This conversation grows more private. Should we continue over mail?]TheOriginalSoni (talk) 18:14, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Fortunately, as I have no political aspirations (I don't want to be an admin), I cay say what I want and honestly report what I observe. 7&6=thirteen () 21:14, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Meaning of "butters no parsnips" which appears to have several different origins. Here and there. "Ill words butter no parsnips." Hope that helps. "Fair words butter no parsnips" according to what is probably a more authoritative source. Quinion, Michael (22 June 2002). "Butter no parsnips". World Wide Words. Retrieved January 17, 2012.See also Perverb.7&6=thirteen () 22:34, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

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Manistee County, Michigan

FYI - I live about 20-30 miles from Manistee, in downtown Ludington in Mason County. I have written several articles related to Manistee and just happen to have a "watch" on this article because of them and noticed you edited it. Some Mason County related articles I created are John J. Makinen Bottle House, Ramsdell Theatre, Thomas Jefferson Ramsdell, Michigan logging wheels, and Silas C. Overpack. We go to Manistee from time to time for a "day trip", but it is basically a ghost town since most businesses downtown are out of business. I have of course created many articles on Ludington, like Mason County Courthouse (Michigan), Burr Caswell, James Ludington, Mason County District Library, Ludington Public Library, Charles Mears, Warren Antoine Cartier, Antoine Ephrem Cartier, Justus Smith Stearns, and the Star Watch Case Company.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:28, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

I spent a lot of time in Manistee when I was a youngster. We stayed in a very old cottage by the beach. My father had organized Morton Salt for District 50 of the United Mine Workers. I have been back there many times as an arbitrator. I love that old Victorian town; even though I know it has been 'mall'd' and 'Walmarted.' Sadly, that is like a lot of the downtowns I see around the midwest in my travels. If you feel the need to undo my edits, go ahead. 7&6=thirteen () 23:24, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
I don't even bother to look at your edits, as I know they are ALL GOOD! I just undo the vandals, as you can see I have done alot. I forgot to say I also created Nels Johnson and Century tower clocks. The tower clock built by Nels Johnson at the Ludington county courthouse is within sound distance of where I live. I hear it "dong" every hour - which is great, except when it strikes thirteen times for 1 o'clock as it did a year ago. Its now fixed, but meanwhile I found an article out of this malfunction.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 23:53, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
I've seen you clock strikes thirteen article. When the clock strikes thirteeen, what time is it? Time to get the clock fixed! You do great work, Doug!. 7&6=thirteen () 00:00, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
As you do also. Your contribution to the 30 in 1 DYK helped make a record that will stand for some time.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:56, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Yes indeed. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 12:59, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

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George Ronan

Thanks for your help with this article! It made DYK this evening. Bigturtle (talk) 00:44, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Great job! Congratulations to both of you. 7&6=thirteen () 01:54, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for WikiLove!

Thank you! I added it to my User: namespace. I like patrolling RCs. I'm procrastinating doing some programming work and I figured I hadn't RCP'd in a while. Alpha 4615 (talk) 19:54, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Every little bit helps. One of my personal pet peeves around here is that we do not give enough recognition for jobs well done, and courtesies extended. As we are all in common cause, it is better to give strokes than pokes. Everybody knows that, but only a few act on it. So thank you again. 7&6=thirteen () 20:04, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Jack Dempsey

I see you have reverted my removal of Category:American Freemasons from this article... I have started a talk page thread to discuss it. Please reply there. Blueboar (talk) 13:28, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

He was a Free Mason, a membership shared with a number of other improbable athletes. "Famous Free Masons: Athletes". U.S. News & World Report. Retrieved February 13, 2013. Incidentally, I undid your revision (I WP:AGF, and did not "revert". There are lots of other sources, but I did not want to WP:undue. 7&6=thirteen () 13:39, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
BTW... I see you added Dempsey to List of Freemasons. That was absolutely appropriate... thanks. My issue is purely with the categorization, not with noting that he was a Freemason in other contexts. Blueboar (talk) 15:31, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
I didn't add him. Only added citations. 7&6=thirteen () 15:33, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you for your suggestion. Will having a user page cause me to become blue? (As opposed to red, that is.) Backspace (talk) 12:17, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

WP:User page To answer your question. Yes. Putting something (anything) on your user page will make your name blue in edit histories. Hope that helps. 7&6=thirteen () 12:20, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
I will remain red. Much easier to find my own edits on a long list. Plus, I am one of the biggest red contributors to Wikipedia. If I am blue, I will be lost in the crowd. I have found no necessity to have a user page so far. It's not going to have any effect my contributions. Backspace (talk) 12:30, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Organization of counties

It's also worth noting that every other article on Wikipedia I have looked at for Michigan counties (which, granted, is not all 83) uses the date of organization, rather than the date that the county boundaries were set off. Until the county is organized, it doesn't exist. Nobody would say that the State of Michigan existed from the day that the Michigan Territory was set off, after all; it needed to be organized as a state before it was official. MrArticleOne (talk) 02:26, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

If you indeed read them, you would note that all of the Michigan articles on counties include the set off date, if it differs from the organization date. I put them there, so I know. You can start with Alcona County, first of the 83, and proceed from there. "Bibliography on Alcona County". Clarke Historical Library, Central Michigan University. Retrieved January 17, 2013.</ref> See and compare, List of Michigan county name etymologies, List of Michigan counties, and List of abolished U.S. counties. It is a separate noted historical event, and whether you consider it to be important is hardly the test. That the Clark Historical Library makes the distinction suggests it has consequences. Best regards. 7&6=thirteen () 14:20, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
When you say that's "all" of them do that, does that include Saginaw County, Huron County, or Bay County? The usage is highly inconsistent on Wikipedia and going by the set-off date is inconsistent with what almost all counties choose to recognize for themselves in their own county history statements. Setting off the county boundaries has little more meaning than surveying a township. It allows for more convenient description of the lands and occurrences within the space. Until a government is organized, it doesn't exist politically, which is the whole point of the exercise -- the land has existed since pre-historic days, after all. MrArticleOne (talk) 15:36, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Yes, it includes all of them. I was not writing about your discussion with BKonrad about the infobox or wikimarkup displays. I was writing about the text in the article, which separately states set off and organization dates. I know your position and I disagree. Even if it is "just a survey date" (I don't know that is true), I know that these are reported dates. I dont understand why you would want to exclude them. In any event, I want them included, and I will be steadfast in my position. 7&6=thirteen () 16:14, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
I never changed the text in the article. MrArticleOne (talk) 16:46, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
The set off date and the organization date are independent political acts by the legislature. Using one date only, such as the incorporation date of a city, is somewhat deceptive. See the recent edits on Center Line, Michigan, which falls into that trap. Center Line existed as a community for a lot longer than 1937. 7&6=thirteen () 16:54, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

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What do you think of adding this to Beatitudes?

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Faiths other than Christianity have similar passages in their respective religious texts; some almost word for word. These include the Muslim Qur'an, the Hindu Bhagavad Gita, the traditional writings of Buddhism, and the LDS Book of Mormon.[1][2]

I can't add it though; not autoconfirmed. This is the IP from Brisbane btw. IcarusVsSun (talk)
nvm, it just saved. IcarusVsSun (talk) 13:56, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm happy with the way Beatitudes has shaped up. I trust the matter is resolved (for now). 7&6=thirteen () 17:20, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Vedanta Philosophy: An address before the Graduate Philosophical Society

The DYK project (nominate) 00:44, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

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Much appreciated! Sadly, this editor has a long history of abuse. -- Marco Guzman, Jr  Talk  15:18, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bronco Student Center may pertain. Their position on many of these articles is ludicrous. I suspect WP:sock and WP:trolling, but as yet do not have direct evidence. Since I am not a WP:Admin, I leave this to others. Looks like the exact refrain of Caalp.7&6=thirteen () 15:22, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
The socks have been hung out to dry. Nothing to see here. Move along. 7&6=thirteen () 17:45, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

4D Space

Hi 7&6=thirteen, not being much of a mathematician (yet!), i can't offer anything on the that side of things. However, I don't see much (if any) reference to the impact that trying to think four-dimensionally has had on culture, yet the article on 5 dimensions does have such refs. Going from Michu Kaku's Hyperspace book, it appears to have had a quite profound effect from the early 20th C. Artists like Marcel Duchamp (esp. Nude descending a staircase) and Picasso were strongly influenced, and I guess you could say Escher was too. Lenin seems to have stuck his oar in too, apparently the Otzovist faction within the early Bolshevik party, sought to use the mysteries of the fourth dimension to replace God in the new State. I'll post some more stuff in a sec, i need a brew!
Hillbillyholiday talk 21:37, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

I hope it is a luscious microbrew. I have Dragonmead in my neighborhood, and used to be a regular at the late Michigan Brewing Company. So if you are in the area, let me know and we can share one. Excellent thoughts, BTW. You are arriving at the Wikipedia concept of Connections. Which was one of my favorite television programs of all time. 7&6=thirteen () 21:49, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Ha ha, no it's not a microbrew, it's a (now massively overstewed) cuppa, a 'brew' is the UK (typically working-class) word for it. To paraphrase Cypress Hill.. "making my mind slow, that's why I don't [fudge] with the big four-oh [quite as much as I used to although I can usually find a good excuse]".

So is there an article or category that covers 4D in culture that I'm missing? There's quite a lot of stuff out there, mainly to do with hypercubes. For instance in literature you have links to Robert Heinlein's short story "—And He Built a Crooked House—", and possibly the Tesseract (novel) by Garland. I'm sure there be more. There's also link to Charles Howard Hinton (the mathematician who coined the word tesseract, and who once said, "Christ was the savior of men, but I am the saviour of women, and I don't envy him one bit!" a quote not in the atricle on him btw). I forgot to mention Re artists, there's lots of 4d-ness in Salvador Dali's work, e.g. Corpus Hypercubus. The authority on the subject, artwise at least, seems to be Linda Dalrymple Henderson who wrote The Fourth Dimension and Non-Euclidean Geometry in Modern Art, which focuses on the Cubists I believe.

Oh, and I suppose you already know the quote from Back to the Future III..

Doc: You're just not thinking fourth dimensionally!

Marty McFly: Right, right. I have a real problem with that.

Hillbillyholiday talk 22:18, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

See Ouroboros. 7&6=thirteen () 22:58, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
I've been aware of the Ouroboros since reading Red Dwarf as a nipper ("Our Rob or Ross"). Connections, however, well I'd never heard of that. It looks fackin faskinatin (as I like to say in a cockney accent), I reckon I'm going to go way over my meagre download limit watching it all. Thanks ever so for the heads up! Hillbillyholiday talk 23:22, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Hey again, thanks for putting me on to Connections, it's the kind of eclectic eccentric documentary that the BBC occasionally produces that (almost) stir some vague feelings of irrational patriotism within. Marvelous stuff! Hillbillyholiday talk 11:21, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

You are welcome, my friend. It is one of those shows that opens up your perspective; not wasted time for sure. The BBC should be proud. 7&6=thirteen () 11:47, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

As a lover of connections, (Chen Fu Zhen Ren:-) here's one I came up with a while ago, it's my own research and might point to a stronger than suspected link between the ancient Greeks and Chinese. To put it simply(!), I've found remarkably consistent similarities between the third-generation of Gods given by Hesiod in Theogony (8th – 7th Cent BC) and the eight major Trigrams of the I Ching (lord knows how old). The trigrams can represent family members amongst other things. The order of birth differs, but amazingly the order of birth magically gets reversed in both systems. They also seem to be trying to describe the same forces in nature (including human nature). Anyway, it seems to me like:

Parents: Gaia = 坤 kūn (receptive/field), and Uranus (maybe Cronus is better fit?) = 乾 qián (creative force heaven/sky).

The daughters: Hestia = 離 lí (fire), Demeter = 兌 duì (joy/fertility), Hera = 巽 xùn (penetrating wind).
The sons: Hades = 艮 gèn (mountain), Poseidon = 坎 kǎn (water), Zeus = 震 zhèn (thunder).

I could expand, for instance: li = daughter / containing fire (hearth), Hestia = Vestal Virgins keepers of the flame. Hope this intrigues. Hillbillyholiday talk 19:48, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. Lots to ponder there. 7&6=thirteen () 20:01, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Ey up, just added the lovely Jesus quote to Charles Howard Hinton's page, turns out it was his (quite full on) pops that said it. Hillbillyholiday talk 02:32, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

As an artist (and ex-maffnut) your enquiy about 4D has got me really thinking. If you're interested, I've just planted a seed of an article entitled: Fourth dimension in art - hope yr good whatever dimension yr in :) Hillbillyholiday talk 17:29, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

cheers for the tweakages, referencing properly still bemuses me! Hillbillyholiday talk 19:30, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm reasonably good at that. It only took me 50K edits to learn how! And I'm still learning. Someday I want to go back and fix all those earlier edits (see Outhouse, which I was editing even before I had a user name). Let me know if you need help. 7&6=thirteen () 19:38, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Sorry 7&6, do you mean you wished to nominate the article or that I should have credited you within the template? I was a little gutted that my first ever hook got pulled from the queue with only hours to go last night - I was desperately trying to quickly get a new one up. I certainly appreciate your efforts on my behalf with the articles, you've been extremely helpful and it was your suggestion that got me thinking more about this subject. Hillbillyholiday talk 21:40, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
p.s. I'm desperate to get a DYK up because I'm constantly disappointed by the lack of genuinely interesting sounding hooklines (and for the brief glow of self-satifaction it would provide, natch) Hillbillyholiday talk 21:43, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Credit as one of the contributors would be nice. I'm glad that you picked up on my references, and you've started a very fine article. I will work on it some more, but right now I'm busy in real life for the next few days. 7&6=thirteen () 00:07, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks (yet again!) for your work on the fourth dimension in art article, it's starting to look 'the business'. You're pulling out all sorts of interesting sources - i'll work on incorporating some of the info when I can. I only just discovered the term hyperspace philosopher which can be used as an umbrella for those higher-dimensional but non-mathematical thinkers (from P. D. Ouspensky to Charles Howard Hinton etc.) - might have to start an article about "Hyperspace Philosophy", crowbarring a link to Lenin in there - sounds good no? Hillbillyholiday talk 12:56, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you :)

I'm very grateful for your help on the article :) :) :) thank you Okkisafire (talk) 01:38, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

You are welcome. I thought Chen Fu Zhen Ren was good enough that perhaps someone should nominate it for a WP:DYK. 7&6=thirteen () 01:53, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
For you, too :) thank you. He is great, even some of the catholics (like me, my brother, n my friend) respect him. I saw his wonder, once Okkisafire (talk) 02:08, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

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Hi 13! I found an article today about David Cobb‎ He's still alive and apparently editing his own page, according to the edit history. There's hardly any citations, but there is extremely close paraphrasing to a San Francisco Examiner article "http: // /article/david-cobb-s-barnstorming-tour-and-call-for-action" David Cobb's barnstorming tour and call for action] published 21 March 2013.

"David was born in San Leon, Texas and worked as a laborer before going to college. He graduated from the University of Houston Law School in 1993 and maintained a successful private law practice in Houston for several years before devoting himself to full time activism to achieve real democracy in the United States. In 2002 David ran for Attorney General of Texas, pledging to use the office..."

I suspect if I searched out more phrases from this article, I might find more of this. I don't know what to do about this, but I know at some level it's not "right." I added reference tags to the naked citations which were in the article previously and searched his name which is when the San Francisco Examiner article popped out. It hadn't been cited in the article. Thank you for all your help in this regard! Ellin Beltz (talk) 23:17, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

PS Apparently, the Examiner is a blacklisted site as I got the warning when I tried to save, so I broke up the URL as you see above, so you can find the page despite the blacklist. Cheers ! Ellin Beltz (talk) 23:18, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
I rewrote the whole article. These needed copy editing. Reorganizing the sentences and paragraphs, rewording the sentences should be a goal. The whole "close paraphrasing" issue is in general a morass that is difficult to get a handle on. If David is writing it, it is likely that he is reaching into his trove of campaign rhetoric, and some of the canned material will come out looking similar to other presentations. Indeed, a lot of the basic facts are noncontroversial, and tend to fall into patterns that are hard to avoid. Take a look at what I did, and see if that inspires you. Let me know if we need to do more. 7&6=thirteen () 23:37, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, I took a minor poke at it too. I appreciate the extra set of eyes & editorial ! Ellin Beltz (talk) 06:19, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Elvis' Greatest Shit

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Thanks. The cover art is in appallingly bad taste, to match the music. 7&6=thirteen () 19:35, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Fourth dimension in art

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A well-earned microbrew for your hard work on the non-Euclidian aspects of art. Cheers! Hillbillyholiday talk 22:29, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Cite media

Thankyou for your suggestion. I have found this template Template:Cite AV media but you need to be a brain surgeon to understand it!! REVUpminster (talk) 07:06, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

April 2013

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments, as you did at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manor Hotel, Mundesley, is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Even making spelling and grammatical corrections in others' comments is generally frowned upon, as it tends to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. While I recognize you are trying to help, it is best to make your own comments instead of refactoring those of another editor. This is in reference to edits such as these: [3], [4], [5], [6] ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 17:52, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Duly noted. Will correct. Thank you. 7&6=thirteen () 17:55, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
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Cheers! –
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I did make the corrections that were suggested. I don't want to speculate on anyone's intent. I always WP:AGF. As a newbie, I have to watch my step. 7&6=thirteen () 21:55, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Mmmm ... it would seem that you have a much longer probation period on the Atlantic Seaboard. We "pass out" quicker over here –
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Copernican Principle

Hello 7&6=13. You are the only one who stood up for honesty in editing. I am being faced with another ban. So be it. I wrote this to EdJohnson who tried to get me to volunteer to stay away for 7 days. This is complete BS. This is the establishment trying to use Wikipedia to hide the truth. I know it is common, but I am not going to stand for it. I wrote this in reply:

I strongly disagree. These guys (materialscientist, Drbogdan, and Lithopsian especially) keep reverting my edits; though well thought out and documented. They keep telling me to go to talk, and weeks go by, and no one discusses this. I will take this further. These guys are basically trying to sweep the truth under the rug and use Wikipedia to lie to the public. Let them ban me. They are liars at best, and probably much worse, and are making a fool of Wikipedia. Every cosmologist knows that what I am saying is true, but the establishment cosmologist who want to protect billions in funding wants to whitewash the truth. Is this what Wikipedia is about? Call any cosmologist you know, and ask if the CMB anisotropies and correlation to the ecliptic are an issue for LCDM, big bang, or inflation, and if they have an ounce of integrity they will tell you yes. Read the references I supplied. I plan on publicizing this widely, and Wikipedia is going to have egg on its face. The truth is breaking out, but apparently not on Wikipedia- the last ditch defense for the establishment.

I have filed for arbitration. Please join:

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You are in a subject that I know little about. While I would like to help, sharing my ignorance of the subject matter will not shed light on the subject. Good luck. 7&6=thirteen () 21:27, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

John L. Lewis

You misattributed John L. Lewis's birthplace to Cleveland Township, Davis County, Iowa without sufficient care. I added a note to that page indicating the two other Cleveland, Iowa postal addresses that have formerly existed -- Lewis was born in the coal mining camp of Cleveland just outside of Lucas, Iowa (which was also a coal mining town and the place he got his first job as a miner). Having too many places named Cleveland is not a good idea, and it is natural that it should lead to some confusion.Douglas W. Jones (talk) 02:16, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Based on what I read, I think you are wrong. Cleveland Township is just outside of Lucas. But I am not so sure that I want to call you on that. 7&6=thirteen () 02:19, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Cleveland, the mining camp 1 mile east of Lucas, Iowa, where John L. Lewis was born in 1880, had a post office from 1877 to 1891 and 1899 to 1908. It was in Lucas County, west of the county seat of Chariton. In contrast, Cleveland Township, Davis County, Iowa is in Davis County, Iowa, that is, two counties east and one county south from Lucas County (Iowa's counties being generally rectangular and arrayed roughly in rows and columns.) What you read about Cleveland being close to Lucas might have been in the writeups in the Lucas, Iowa and John L. Lewis pages, where Cleveland was described as a mining camp near Lucas. The USGS Geographic Names Information System lists a dismaying number of Clevelands in Iowa. It pays to double and triple check in cases like this, including checking dates of operation against birth dates when dealing with people born in temporary places like mining camps.
A fair question, worthy of discussion, is: Should we create wiki pages for Iowa's former mining camps, places like Cleveland, Buxton, Muchakinock, Severs, Norwoodville, Enterprise, and Lithograph City. Right now, these places are mentioned in the pages for the nearest present day community, except in the cases of Buxton and Muchakinock, where the mention is in the context of the coal company that owned them. These lost places may be worthy of promotion to full status. They qualify as ghost towns and company towns and mining camps, making them interesting places, but in most cases, it would be hard to create any thing above stub class for these places, since in most cases, there is no physical evidence that they ever existed, only written records in places like reports of the state mine inspectors. Buxton is the exception, since it has attracted so much scholarly attention. Douglas W. Jones (talk) 13:55, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the insight. We could create thousands of article for abandoned mining, fishing and lumbering towns. I'm guessing that Michigan has more ghost towns than Iowa. Raping the environment and using up the resources makes these places short-lived and expendable. I don't think they merit their own article, unless there is an unusually good source on them. I would say lump them into the nearest township or other similar geographical area. I am also sure that mining towns, like Cleveland, often are eponymously named for the companies that owned them. So it is no surprise that there could be a dozen Clevelands. 7&6=thirteen () 14:56, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
I generally agree -- that's why I have not been creating pages for these places. The difficulty is, interesting things did happen in some of them, and by not having top-level entries of their own, the result is that linking to them is hard, and sometimes, it leads people to mislink, as happened here with Cleveland. In the case of Buxton, the wikilink Buxton, Iowa, connects to a subsection of Consolidation Coal Company (Iowa). One resolution that would make sense for Cleveland, Iowa would be to structure the content for the Cleveland near Lucas as a subsection of the Lucas, Iowa page -- since, for practical purposes, it was a suburb -- and then create an alias for Cleveland, Lucas County, Iowa that links to that section. Finally, a Cleveland, Iowa page could include a general disambiguator for the various Clevelands.
As to the question of what state had more abandoned places, I don't really care. What I do care is that we try to establish a decent pattern for how to deal with such places when they become targets for wikilinks. A solid general pattern would be nice to establish, with some good examples that show how to do it right. Colorado's abandoned gold camps, Iowa's abandoned coal camps, Michigan's abandoned lumber camps and many others all pose problems like this. Douglas W. Jones (talk) 19:20, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

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Hey User:7&6=thirteen, feels like yonks already! How's tricks? I'm working on an article about Lord Flea, and have been struggling with sorting the categories out. I recall yr excellent work previously and ask if you could help out while it's still in sandbox here I'll probably need some assistance with the Discog when it's completed too, if that's possible. Cheers! Hillbillyholiday talk 19:44, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, but Marley was my first port of call and none of the others fit. The article's in main space now Lord Flea It could really do with the categories being displayed nicely - that's what's thrown me! Hillbillyholiday talk 21:14, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

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USS Iowa and her turret explosion

When I saw your changes to the article in question, I felt a need to correct the mistakes which you had made (by messing up the tense sequences of many verbs in the narrative).
[When a speaker or writer expressed something in the past about a more remote event in the past, we use first the past tense for the act of expressing, then we use the past-perfect tense for the more remote event in the narrative; that's a well settled principle, and a useful one, in the art of composition.]
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On my own talk page I've answered your most recent note there.
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Michiana points of interest

As I mentioned in the comments of my last edit of Michiana, there doesn't seem to be an advantage to keeping any former points of interest in the list, seeing as how the list is an outline anyway and all historical info should be retained in the articles on the cities, etc. in the area. Mapsax (talk) 12:54, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I saw your message/edit summary. I disagree, but not enough to debate the point. Life is short; then you die. 7&6=thirteen () 14:09, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
Well, my decision isn't absolute, of course. I'm sure that you've seen by now how I refigured the page to try to be more inclusive without actually adding more info.
As an aside, I'm honored that you think that my roads webpage belongs on there as an EL, but I don't. It really doesn't discuss the region itself, just roads within it, and even might be considered OR. Mapsax (talk) 13:26, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
I was unaware of your connection. In any event, I did not use it as a reference, but used it as a used WP:EL. In that context, I don't think WP:OR is a disqualification. It's useful to readers, I think. I've done lots of "blue line" driving through the area, and it is a worthwhile sojourn. Unfortunately, there is a common tendency to treat those areas as something just to "pass through" on the way to one's destination; whereas I tend to think the journey is often more important. 7&6=thirteen () 16:35, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

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Lansing, Michigan

Hi. I suspect that the same person edits under multiple identities. Edits by,, and Funnyhat follow the same pattern, plus both IP addresses located in Michigan. Tobby72 (talk) 17:46, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't know. They don't necessarily track, and I am not sure they are a WP:Sock. Even if they were, in any event, I am NOT a Adminstrator, so you are barking up the wrong tree. 7&6=thirteen () 18:02, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Los Teke Teke has already been dePRODded twice, and PROD tags may not be replaced

I don't know what's with this article (which I did not write by the way) but this is the third time within a few minutes that I have had to send the same message about it: once a PROD tag has been removed by anyone, including the article author, for any reason or none, it may not be replaced - see WP:PROD#Objecting. The point is that PROD is intended for uncontroversial deletions, to save unnecessary work at AfD, but if someone removes the PROD template the deletion is evidently not uncontroversial, and any further deletion proposal must be done by AfD. JohnCD (talk) 20:03, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

PS: please take it to AfD before it gets PRODed a fifth time! JohnCD (talk) 20:11, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
I am not the author of Los Teke Teke, haven't you seen in the article history who the author is? Osplace 20:13, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
I am on the way of getting that article being deleted. Osplace 20:23, 28 April 2013 (UTC)


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Is Fireball a liqueur?

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Some call it a whisky. Some call it a liquer. I replied on the talk page. 7&6=thirteen () 20:03, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Well whatever you call it, I'll have a glass. Carptrash (talk) 20:51, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Fireball cinnamon whisky maybe? The newer version of the article had some good content, and maybe all that should not have been cut out. 7&6=thirteen () 21:03, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
I just merged the helpful-seeming content from the new page. —BarrelProof (talk) 21:55, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Bholu coin

Thanks a lot for helping in Bholu (mascot). If you add some information on the coin, please add it from [7]. Ref 5 currently! --Tito Dutta (contact) 16:36, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Mainly, I wanted the external link, as I thought a picture of the coin would be beneficial. The official site does not have one. 7&6=thirteen () 16:45, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Use this one from coin catalog --Tito Dutta (contact) 17:05, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
I've put in a few suggestions. I assume you will have a different plan. Happy editing. 7&6=thirteen () 17:48, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Again Bholu

I have removed the blogspot, see Template:Did you know nominations/Bholu (mascot). In addition, I am still suspicious about the value of the blogspot URL as EL (I have not removed it), which can be taken to Wikipedia:External links/Noticeboard --Tito Dutta (contact) 08:39, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

How do you get those stars?

how do you get those prizes you got on your page?Sevendigits (talk) 16:12, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

I've answered on your talk page. Enjoy the baklava! 7&6=thirteen () 11:10, 15 May 2013 (UTC)


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Happy Memorial Day!

Thank you. The holiday was well spent, and we had a sunny (but somewhat cold) day on the beach. Best wishes to you. 7&6=thirteen () 11:30, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gosei (Japanese diaspora)

It appears that you have copy-pasted a response to this AFD from the other AFDs on articles by the same user under the concern that other pages were suggested to be deleted as they are dictionary definitions. This is not the case for this particular article. I would implore you to properly assess this article instead of just disagreeing because you saw a pattern of edits.—Ryulong (琉竜) 01:17, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

As a courtesy, I have mentioned your name while raising this issue at WP:ANI under the title "AFDs not being properly considered due to assumption of bad faith".—Ryulong (琉竜) 01:44, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

I replied at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gosei (Japanese diaspora). Once again, you don't like the result, and now want to contest this in another forum? You and I read the rules of wikipedia entirely differently. I disagree with your conclusions, and decline your invitation to change my opinion. Best regards. 7&6=thirteen () 02:26, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
It's not that I don't like the result. I feel that you have accidentally copied and pasted a comment from another AFD onto this one because the batch of them are all similar in nature save for this one. This AFD is on the utility of a very rarely used word in immigration and naturalization studies rather than some somewhat common English language idiom that has a poorly associated article with it.—Ryulong (琉竜) 07:46, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Vi will be so proud of me

since she was just doing the full blown "Two Hander" yesterday trying to explain why/how Windsor is south of Detroit. Since that actually takes three hands it became a family event. Carptrash (talk) 21:08, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Trying to portray Ontario, Michigan and the bend in Lake St. Clair and the Detroit River gets a little complicated. And its all counterintuitive, as there is only one other place (near New York) where that (Canada being south of the U.S.) occurs. I hope you and your significant other are doing well. Best regards. 7&6=thirteen () 21:57, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
Yes she has the two hand move down, a life time of practice and it is made possible by the Keewenaw Peninsula. She is fine, I did one of those old guy moves that requires a bit of background, but you did ask. I spent 25 years playing slow pitch softball in UAW and Ypsi and AA leagues. While that was going on a series in northern NM, the Hippies vs the Indians (Picuris Pueblo) was going on and is now at its 44th Annual Event. I've played a few times, usually not notably. So this year as the Hippies are taking the field someone noticed that there was no pitcher. "I can pitch" I tossed out. "You're on." was the reply. So, after a dozen years of relative inactivity I pitched 9 innings, ultimately loosing 29 to 27. It is the roughest field imaginable, three foot tall grass in places, gophers holes liberally sprinkled everywhere, a six foot deep hole in left center and the outfield probably six feel uphill from home plate. Needless to say, high scores are the norm. Anyway the result is that, given my screwed up knees to begin with, they are now swelled up like watermelons and don't really work that well. But I figure that I have perhaps 3 or 4 games left in me, I love the game (hate loosing) and I have to get it while I can. Carptrash (talk) 02:06, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Great story. 7&6=thirteen () 02:41, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Rorschach Test

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Reuben T. Durrett

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Space Bag.

The article was removed yesterday. Put it up for speedy deletion and it was gone within an hour. Not entirely sure of the policies around the templates and removed articles. Stanislao Avogadro (talk) 16:16, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Oh well. 7&6=thirteen () 16:43, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Reuben T. Durrett

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DYK for Louis Duret

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making a mountain out of a molehill

Hi, I just deleted your claim that the origin of this idiom can be found in Zechariah 4:7. The interpretive commentary you use looks like pure speculation and the claim is certainly not borne out by the original Hebrew, which I've just looked up in Strong's Concordance. The word miyshor, translated as 'plain', comes from a root meaning flat. There isn't a hint of a molehill there. And in any case, the meaning is not that something great has been made of something little, but that there is no comparison in height with Zerubabel; beside him a great thing appears small, exactly the opposite to the idiom.

Thanks for defending the article against Bueller 007's pig-headed proposal. I apologise for undoing your hard work. Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 17:05, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I didn't want the article to be deleted. that iyoiu don't like the conclusion and the reference does not undo the fact that didn't get deleted. Happy editing. 7&6=thirteen () 18:50, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

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I just returned

from three weeks with my mother in Phoenix, off line the whole time, and discovered that you've been watching my back while I was gone. Thanks. I don't remember what is was that drew that comment, and that is probably just as well. Now I am off to work after three weeks away and will spend at least the first day trying to remember just what I do there. Thanks again. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 15:46, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

I only saw what you put on his talk page (which was mild and open-handed), and how he responded (inordinately and impolitely) on yours. Hope your family situation is working out well. Best regards. 7&6=thirteen () 15:51, 23 September 2013 (UTC)


Thanks for all your edits to my page. I realize the point of a Wikipedia Page isn't to make its subject happy -- but I'm very happy to have it looking less stub-like!

Best wishes, Jacob Sager Weinstein (talk) 13:02, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Szabo article

Hello 7&6=thirteen. I have no desire to get into an edit war over the See also in the Szabo article. However, I still think including a screenwriter in the See also of a director's article is inappropriate, unless maybe the screenwriter and the director worked closely together on several projects. I doubt you'll find other articles that have that type of See also (at least not highly rated ones). If your goal is to create links to the screenwriter, I think a more appropriate way to do that would be to add a section on the new film to the article. Then you could mention the screenwriters in that section (I think there are more than one), and delete him from the See also (because See also's should not include things already linked in the article).

By the way, thanks for inspiring me to add a couple of links to the See also section.Hirschjoshua (talk) 21:52, 28 September 2013 (UTC)


You've given me four pieces of advice so far. Do you have any more to give me?--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 08:00, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Alcona Schools

Good to know!

I was surprised the school itself wasn't in Alcona Township but in Gustin Township, and I didn't have a reference stating which ones it served. I'll try to get a map from the US Census Bureau. Do you know if the State of Michigan has maps of school districts too? WhisperToMe (talk) 14:35, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

I presume they do. Michigan Department of Education should have that.
I've done work with the Alpena Schools, and the size of the district (and its attendant operational costs, specifically transportation) was an issue that came up. Gustin Township is around Mikado, Michigan, and includes the ghost town of Killmaster, Michigan, which was named by and for the grandfather of one of my neighbors. Killmaster has only 2nd and 5th, Sawmill Streets as cross streets, but all the other numbers are missing. There is a very nice little boutique soapworks that makes "Killmaster soap" which I recommend. I often ride my bike through what was the town, past the llamas and sheep. Fabulous place to bicycle. But I digress. Happy editing. 7&6=thirteen () 14:47, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Technically, my home is in Haynes Township, Michigan, just north of Sturgeon Point Light. Haynes is a geographic anomaly, as it is laid out peculiarly relative to Alcona Township. But as I bicycle this entire area, I am particularly oriented to the location of the township line signs. 7&6=thirteen () 15:08, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

That's really cool how you have the local connection! I'll check the Michigan state site, but I found maps from the federal government showing school district boundaries: WhisperToMe (talk) 18:04, 4 November 2013 (UTC)


While I was typing, you apologized. I thank you for the apology, and accept it. Nick Beeson (talk) 14:39, 7 November 2013 (UTC)


Did you really just template an admin for accidentally pushing the wrong button? He was obviously trying to revert the vandalism, but before he could revert it, someone else did, which means that he accidentally reverted the revert. Would you please pay closer attention and don't EVER call that vandalism ES&L 18:33, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Please look at his page. The edit was seriously odd, and looks like a duck. I've apologized for the misunderstanding. 7&6=thirteen () 18:36, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, but here is no quacking. Toddst1 had simply not performed a very good revert there, happens to all of us from time to time. In a case like this simply revert as deep as you think you need to. Regulars will understand what you are doing, but if in doubt leave a little message "Hi Tod, I reverted a little deeper in BLAHBLAH!, have a look and see if it good." Happy editing/patrolling. Best, Sam Sailor Sing 18:57, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
No worries. We ended up with the page in the state I was aiming for. For some reason Twinkle didn't back out all of the IP's edits as I thought it would. Sorry to have fouled that up. Cheers. Toddst1 (talk) 19:27, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
Shit happens. That's why they put delete buttons on computers. 7&6=thirteen () 19:30, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
Exactly. Best, Sam Sailor Sing 19:46, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
Your computer has a delete button? Damn .... gotta get me one of those ES&L 20:37, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

If you don't have a delete buttons, you could just use Backspace? {:>{)> 7&6=thirteen () 20:44, 9 November 2013 (UTC) just had to use the backspace to correct the word backspace :-) ES&L 10:24, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Providing more direction

Hi there!

I saw the message you left for me on my talk page. I've been a heavy user of Wikipedia for a while now, but I only recently created an account to start having my contributions saved in one convenient place. I have seen so many errors on Wikipedia in my years that I have grown very sick of making revisions without my identity being known or a profile of my contributions being collected.

Anyway, I'm not here to rant. I'm here because I don't know what your message means. I don't know what the red in my edit history means whatsoever, that sentence just does not make much sense to me, nor do I know what sort of information is required on my user page. Have the revisions I made so far been discredited because of my lack of a user page or something?

Forgive me for inexperience and unfamiliarity with all of this. Thank you!

P.S. I see you suggested the Akita (dog) page be revised, and I completely agree with this. I was reading the article the other day and made a small change to it, but I definitely recognized that the article was full of problems and overall strange writing atypical of encyclopedia writing. Well, while I am on this topic, I might as well ask you another and final question: How do you mark an article as one that needs updating/revision/whatever?

Thanks again!

Marc Bago (talk) 22:02, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. 7&6=thirteen () 22:22, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

I just received your recent message. Thank you for the speedy reply. I've taken what you have written into consideration and will do something with my page.

Marc Bago (talk) 22:41, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Need a favor

Hi 7&6, it's me again. I just made my 3rd article in english, Sanggar Agung. I'm afraid i did so many mistake, please help me to correct it if you have a free time later. Thank you soo much Okkisafire (talk) 06:13, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Turtling (sailing)

This reference has a list of famous capsizes. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:30, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Let me know if you need help in DYK submission.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:36, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Turns out that the link you gave me is circular, in that it is just a rehash of Wiktionary and Wikipedia articles on Capsize. The book can be cited, however. 7&6=thirteen () 00:55, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
O.K., see what you mean. Yes, the book can be cited. The book can be ordered through our Michigan ILL system, MeL.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:32, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Did you ever find a good hook line?--Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:40, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

I screwed up. Intended to nominate it last night, but got stuck at a meeting. Blew the deadline. Sigh. 7&6=thirteen () 11:43, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

If you get tight on time, let me know in advance and I will submit it for you - in the future.--Doug Coldwell (talk)
Thanks Doug. 7&6=thirteen () 12:11, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

7 & 6 = 6

Little bit of trivia here, no slight intended, but in computer parlance, "7 & 6" resolves to "6". 7 is binary "0111", 6 is "0110", the AND operation (&) matches each bit from one operand to the other operand. 0 AND anything = 0, the only bits where there are two "ones" are the second and third. Fire up the Windows Calculator, set to Programmer mode, click on "7", "And", "6" and see the result.Gnarfulous (talk) 22:49, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Again, just some amusing trivia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gnarfulous (talkcontribs) 22:47, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. Another alert reader told me that a long long time ago. 7&6=thirteen () 22:59, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

2013 speakers Festival of Dangerous Ideas


Invisible Barnstar.png The Invisible Barnstar
For all your tireless work in the background, particularly in removing non-sourced additions and vandalism from BLPs.
When I see your name on the history, I know that is one mess that I shall not need to clean up!
— | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 04:51, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
Thank you 7&6=thirteen () 12:01, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Courtesy notice re Turtling on DYK talk page this morning

Please see Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Removed_article_from_prep_area. Apparently, an editor has issues with the Turtling article. — Maile (talk) 12:40, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Do you know how to use the Permalinks option on diffs? Ask me if you need to know how to do it. It's helpful as proof. — Maile (talk) 15:19, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
No, I don't. 7&6=thirteen () 15:21, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
FYI - what happened on this DYK. Stuff happens like that, I'm sure you've seen before. I know it's frustrating for you. You're not the first, and you won't be the last this happens to. I'm not the one you need to convince about the reason it got pulled from the queue, because I'm OK with the article.
For the Permalinks, I just recently learned it myself. It basically means that is anything gets archived or moved, the Permalinks still provide a link to it:
  • On the left-hand sidebar under Tools you will see "Permanent link"
  • Let's say you wanted to illustrate the very earliest edits of Turtling. Just go to the History, select the two dates, and click "Compare selected revisions" option.
  • When the diffs pull up, go over and click "Permanent link", and if you look at the URL, it changes. The key is the "oldid=" and number.
  • In the upper left of the article page you see links and arrorw. One says (diff). Click that. This produces the Permalink to the changes Use that URL as the link to post on a talk page thread.
So, that's how you do it. When disagreements over any edit come up, this is a handy tool to prove what you are talking about. Good luck. — Maile (talk) 15:48, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Great little essay and article

Wikipedia:Randy in Boise and Dunning–Kruger effect. 7&6=thirteen () 17:00, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

The Amateur vs. the Astronomer
User:Jnc/Astronomer vs Amateur good discussion and use of The Moon is made of green cheese in Wikipedia. 7&6=thirteen () 18:33, 14 December 2013 (UTC)


Sorry, lost your email and address. Care to email me? Any chance you could review this for GA? It's as comprehensive as I can make it and am already lucky to have found what I have on it!!♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:10, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

I've never done a GA review. I will do it, but it will take me time to learn the process, learn the subject and give you a response. Thanks for the opportunity. I am flattered to be asked by you. 7&6=thirteen () 18:19, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Oh I was told you were a keen reviewer. I just put in quite some effort on articles and nominate them and I can rarely find anybody to review them and end up waiting weeks even months! All you have to do really is read the article and match it against the chart like on Talk:Fort Al Jalali/GA1. If you see anything minor you can state them in bullet form like "typo in second paragraph", "can you find a bit more on the hospital". If you could look at my past reviews and copy how it's done I can then show you how to update the talk page and GA page once passed. It would be a great help.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:27, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

I am my own worst critic, but have not been a "reviewer." I am a content improver by temperament and predilection. I don't do a lot of articles, but when I really latch on to one, I try to make it the best and most useful it can be. I as asked about he number of edits I did to Turtling (saiing). I think I may have done more to Outhouse (most of those before I became 7&6=thirteen), and more on Frank Murphy (before it got watered down by editors who did not know the subject). Of course, my standard for what is a good article and wikipedias are quite different. I try to address the needs of different levels of reader, which apparently some of our admins don't like. Glad you liked the links. It is supposed to be an electronic web-based encyclopedia, integrated into other articles. At least that's my personal vision (for which nobody gives a crap). But that's why I started with Outhouse, metaphorically speaking. But I can learn new tricks, and will help improve these articles. I'll also get you a review, although I would like to just make some contribution too. Does that work for you? 7&6=thirteen () 18:36, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
I gather I am only supposed to offer advice and criticism. I can do that. 7&6=thirteen () 18:42, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
For GA the articles just have to have a fairly decent coverage of the topic and be fairly well written with adequate sourcing and an adequate lead. Msambweni is about as good as it can be I think given the sourcing available. It may be the case that articles are a straight pass, but you might see some minor things I missed. Put the comments in Talk:Msambweni/GA1 rather than the talk page. Remember that the lead has to summarize the article which is why there is repetition in the body and the lead is supposed to be a summary of the body.. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:31, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
I fixed the formatting and completed the citations. You obviously have found a lot of obscure sources. I've did some minor copy editing, and fixed the wikilinks. The redundant sections in the lead are too long and detailed. 7&6=thirteen () 22:38, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

I've trimmed the lead a bit but it wasn't really redundant, read WP:LEAD. Obscure mix of sources because I ransacked the whole web for info on it! Thanks for the review, copy and paste the sheet from here when you're ready. I'll take care of the talk page and GA page update tomorrow and you can view then how it's done. Cheers.♦ Dr. Blofeld 23:08, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

I put in a couple of minor suggestions. Otherwise, you are good to go. 7&6=thirteen () 23:13, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. After a review all you have to do is update the talk page like this and then add the article to the appropriate page/section of GA like this. You can add Good article template in the article, but the bot will do that within time anyway.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:27, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

  1. ^ Strangers on the Shore: The Beatitudes in World Religions by Albert B. Randall 2006 ISBN 978-0-8204-8136-4
  2. ^ The Book of Mormon Made Easier, Part III by David Ridges 2007 ISBN 1-55517-787-5 pages 148-149