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Barber's pole

I like barber's poles and anything with helixes in them. Getting above 20,000 bytes was a coincidence! Bigturtle (talk) 21:24, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Now you have me thinking - worrying even. I am recovering from a back injury and am spending little time doing anything except winging. Fortunately, no bloody bandages. I just read about barber poles in some fiction set in the 12th century or so. Wonder if I can dig up a reference? Carptrash (talk) 21:09, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


Please give one good reason why a triskelion is an "optical illusion"... AnonMoos (talk) 19:58, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

I replied on your talk page. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 20:38, 13 September 2010 (UTC) Stan
The PDF file nicely assembles different symbols (though it's a little New-Agey, and by no means clearly a reliable source by Wikipedia standards), but it only states that certain particular forms of the Tomoe exhibit figure-ground vacillation -- which is a long way from saying that the Triskelion in general is an "optical illusion". AnonMoos (talk) 14:26, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Whatever -- just because one form of the Tomoe shows figure-ground vacillation, that doesn't mean that all forms of the Triskelion are so-called "optical illusions". AnonMoos (talk) 21:05, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Now Triquetra

You kind of went wild with the categories on that article, and there's the same problem with the "optical illusions" category. Just because a new-agey PDF file mentions that a related symbol (not the Triquetra itself) shows figure-ground vacillation, that doesn't mean that the triquetra is an "optical illusion"[sic]. AnonMoos (talk) 21:05, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Now Triple Spiral

Please don't throw a large number of only very vaguely-relevant (if at all relevant), categories onto articles, and don't add "Category:Vision rivalry" to all articles about visual symbols... AnonMoos (talk) 17:07, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Oliver Hazard Perry

I have rewritten a key paragraph of this article to divide it up into two paragraphs, and clarify it a little; take a look. Bigturtle (talk) 23:53, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Dueling was an occupational hazard of the pre-Civil War U.S. Navy. Perry's War of 1812 colleague, Stephen Decatur, was killed in a duel. I am not sure whether a blow-by-blow account of all of the challenges, etc., would be appropriate in Perry's case; he died from other causes.
As for the Perry/Elliott specific dispute, my very limited knowledge indicates that was a can of worms and a half. The friends of the two sides continued to fight long after the two principals were dead, and I am under the impression that one of the impetuses behind construction of the Battle of Lake Erie Memorial 100 years later was to try to end the controversy in Perry's favor. The memorial was deliberately named the Perry's Victory and International Peace Memorial.
One underlying fact was that as a member of a prominent New England family, Perry's memory was naturally supported by prominent members of the Whig Party and, later, the Republican Party, while Elliott came from a Southern state and, sure enough, you see him developing a patron-client relationship with the very Democratic President John Tyler towards the end of his life and career. So the whole mess might have had political elements as well. Bigturtle (talk) 21:16, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Cougars in Upper Peninsula and Northern Michigan

I am not pleased that an editor is taking the position that the existences of Cougars in the first location (which will I believe spill over to the second) cannot be mentioned in the article, notwithstanding that reliable and complete references were included. To say that they do not exist, or aren't worth reporting seems to be perverse. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 20:04, 27 October 2010 (UTC) Stan

Proving that Cougars do not exist is not so easy, given all the contrary evidence as cited in Upper Peninsula. It is rather like reliably proving that "water babies do not exist." See The Water-Babies, A Fairy Tale for a Land Baby. "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." Indeed, there is ample evidence, which only committed non-believers will disregard. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 22:51, 27 October 2010 (UTC) Stan

Barber pole grasshopper

Imzadi, I did not want to post this on your talk page. I under stand that the "in use" tag, when read in the font it has, and at a certain magnification, actually looked like the "muse" tag. Indeed, I understand your intensity and anguish. And I don't want to break my promise to not interfere with you or your muse. I am leaving and found this additional source. U an memorializing it here. Hope it helps. “Barber pole grasshopper” a/k/a “painted grasshopper” is said to be the most beautifuil grasshopper. Beth Thiret, Colorado State University Extension Master Gardener in Larimer County "Ugh: What to do about Grasshoppers". Thank you and happy editing. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 21:35, 14 November 2010 (UTC) Stan

Just a comment about that source. It's not published by the CSU Extension. It's published by The Recorder in Berthoud, CO. "CSU Extension Master Gardener in Larimer County" is Ms. Thiret's title. I've updated the article to reflect the correct publisher and publication date and location. My mantra in doing references is to supply the greatest amount of available information on the source without being redundant. If the newspaper name has the location in its title, then duplicating the location isn't needed. If we're using a source from the flagship newspaper of a publisher of the same name, then including the publisher isn't needed either. (That assumes of course that the publisher is readily known.) I do a little digging through "About us" or "Contact us" pages on websites to fill in the information. I somewhat regularly take articles to WP:FAC and that level of detail is scrutinized there to determine if a source is reliable. It's a practice I've spread to any article I'm working on to save future work. Imzadi 1979  01:18, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Folk etymology: Your input requested

Hi, 7+6=13 -- I am looking for people with interests in folklore (editors I’ve encountered on folklore/mythology articles as well as elsewhere) to visit talk:Folk etymology, where there is an ongoing edit dispute. One view (three people) holds that the term is exclusive to linguistics, and another (just me) finds that the term has been formally defined within folklore, and used in academic journals in that sense for more than a century. The page is currently locked. I ask your input ‘’’not in support of either view,’’’ but because discussion seems to have come to a standstill, it seems to be a page few stumble across, and needs fresh viewpoints to get unstuck. Thanks! DavidOaks (talk) 17:58, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Photo Uploads

Salut Genevieve, Creating a user page at commons is fine, i have one as well; [3]. When you upload photos to commons they can be used by all wiki projects, when they are uploaded here they are for wiki only. The process i do is merely upload a photo here on english wikipedia and typically someone else will move the photo to commons for me (if they want and the image meets certain guidelines See Wikipedia:Moving files to the Commons). The choice is yours but commons and wikipedia itself have different image procedures, I would recommend uploading first on english wiki then transfering (if you want) to commons. Before doing anything though, familize yourself with Wikipedia:Image use policy(with close attention to Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#Privacy_rights) and Commons:Photographs of identifiable people. This is a lengthy read but it will describe what types of photos can and shouldnt be used. I dont think theres many issues with the photos you plan to take though (but they will likely need more info on the privacy issue depending on the type of photo you take). Images are not my strong area as I typically avoid taking pictures of living people, but mostly focus on buildings. But this information should be enough to get you moving in the right direction. When you think your ready take a look at Wikipedia:Uploading images and thenproceed to upload at Special:Upload. Alot to take in....

When you created your commons account did you set up a global account(unified account)? If you didnt you still can, you can link your accounts, let me know if you need help with that. As for uploading the photos, The license i use typically for buildings is Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 License- See [4] for details on the licsense. A good example of photo licensing for people (what you appear to be trying to do) is at File:USA-Womens-Hockey-Olympics-5.jpg of Jenny Potter, The minnesota Whitecaps player (if you ever get a chance to see her play, do it ;) ). Let me know if this starts you off ok (or if you need more concise info), again images of living people arent my strong area. Will talk soon

Folk etymology: Your input requested

Hi, SS -- I am looking for people with interests in folklore (editors I’ve encountered on folklore/mythology articles as well as elsewhere) to visit talk:Folk etymology, where there is an ongoing edit dispute. One view (three people) holds that the term is exclusive to linguistics, and another (just me) finds that the term has been formally defined within folklore, and used in academic journals in that sense for more than a century. The page is currently locked. I ask your input not in support of either view, but because discussion seems to have come to a standstill, it seems to be a page few stumble across, and needs fresh viewpoints to get unstuck. Thanks! DavidOaks (talk) 18:00, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi, my apologies for meeting under these circumstances. I am not going to discuss the ANI on the talk page, so I will respond to you here. The problem is that the user above has been involved in quite a long edit war with various inappropriate actions and now has specifically sought out only editors he views as interested in one subject by private message. The selected private recruitment of uninvolved editors based upon their interest in one side of a dispute most certainly does amount to canvassing. I have tried to avoid reporting this user for weeks now, while he has unsuccessfully filed RfC's and ANI's and remained a minority of one. The only person standing in the way of his contributing the relevant material under its own article is him. Be assured that I have no problem with your comments on the article.μηδείς (talk) 22:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Barber pole

Your works looking good on the page, thanks for the note. Im not an expert on this but, I have seen that sports like rugby and british football (soccer) ( I think a few scottish teams use this pattern) use this style of uniform. For Hockey though Universities populourized this pattern as well. For instance Queens university in Canada uses this theme quite a bit with there throwback sports uniforms (from the late 1800s) and current school clothing lines. But the fundamental trend in canada at least ive noticed (needing sources though of course) was that in the late 1800s and early 1900s sporting teams used the barber pole style of uniform. Anyway just a few ideas for expansions, but an explanation as to why they used the pattern if you could find a source would be a fanatstic addition to the article. Cheers. Ottawa4ever (talk) 17:06, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Great suggestions. Pregnant with possibilities. Keep an eye out for sources. Unfortunately, I am reuired to go back to real world work, and can't get to this for a few days. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 17:09, 30 November 2010 (UTC) Stan


expanded Eastern Cougar page.

Calamitybrook (talk) 23:45, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Rug weavers

Pearl-McPhee,Stephanie (2005). Yarn Harlot: The Secret Life of a Knitter. Kansas City: Andrews McMeel Pub. p. 180. ISBN 0740750372. Retrieved December 2, 2010.  deliberate mistake. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 04:18, 3 December 2010 (UTC) Stan

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I am putting this here so I can find it. Thanks again [[Special:Contributions/Imzadi1979| 7&6=thirteen (talk) 18:20, 5 November 2010 (UTC) Stan

Reference templates

Imzadi, You've been leading by example, and I am being guilted into adopting citation templates. Is there an easier way to use them? Less cumbersome? Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 15:46, 5 November 2010 (UTC) Stan

I use them primarily because no matter what order I format the parameters, I get consistent results. I tend to copy/paste the information off the online source, so it might be pasted in a different order, but it always outputs the same.
The easiest way I know is to learn the standard set of template names and parameter names. They're quite consistent My rules of thumb are:
  • {{cite web}} for webpage-only content
  • {{cite book}} for books available in print, even if an online or e-book edition is being cited
  • {{cite news}} for newspaper articles (and TV station articles) that would also appear in the print edition (reported in the news broadcast)
  • {{cite journal}} for magazines and scientific journals, even if hosted online
  • {{cite map}} for maps, even if an electronic edition (There are {{google maps}}, {{yahoo maps}} and {{bing maps}} to shortcut the information for those online maps.)
  • {{cite press release}} for press releases, even if hosted online
  • There are others as well for things like video or audio recordings.
When it comes to parameters:
  • |lastn= |firstn= for author names. If there are multiple authors, add a number in place of the n to separate them out. If there is only one, drop the number.
  • |author= if the author is an organization, which is rare. I only use organizations as an author if the publisher is different and the organization is explicitly credited as an author
  • |title= for the title of the article, map, press release, web page or book. Convert the title to Title Case.
  • |work= the name of the website (which isn't the URL and should be different from the publisher), the name of the newspaper, etc.
  • |publisher= the company that publishes the content. For most newspapers, this isn't really needed, but this is where to put the TV or radio station's call letters. (I don't use the station's branding as outside of their viewing/listening area, no one knows who "9&10 News" would be, but they'd understand WWTV-TV.)
  • |location= the location, if known, of the source. I skip this if the location is listed in the newspaper's name. I usually skip this on state government sources since the assumption would be that it was published in the state capital. (Sometimes with DOT sources, the location is the district office because the source only pertains to a district.)
  • |date= The date of publication. Similarly, |year= if only the year is known. Bots will fix this during other edits if you use the "wrong" one.
  • |page= |pages= use one or the other but not both. The former uses "p. #" as the output, and the latter uses "pp. #" instead. If you have a range of pages, use an en dash (–) as the separator, not a hyphen (-).
  • |accessdate= for the date you accessed the source, if an online link is provided.
  • |url= if there is a link to the source, feel free to add it. Except for webpages though, this is usually quite optional.
  • |format= this is a multipurpose parameter. If the URL links to a PDF, you should indicate that. Same for anything like an Excel file, a Word document, etc. Also, if a subscription is required, I list "Subscription required" to alert readers that they might have to pay to get the article.
  • |archiveurl= |archivedate= are useful if the webpage is no longer accessible through the website, but it is hosted at or another site. In that case, use the original URL in the |url= parameter
  • The last parameters I use are things like |isbn= |issn= and the like. ISBNs are standard numbers for books, and ISSNs are used on some journals and magazines. If you can provide one of these, the reader will get link to a search page. From there, he can click to find the book in the WorldCat library catalog search, Amazon or Google Books, among other options.
All of the different templates list their full parameters in their documentation. {{cite book}} has parameters for chapters and the URL of a chapter as well as things like editors, editions, new publication dates, etc. {{cite map}} has parameters for sections and insets on a map, which would be like a page number in book or magazine. Basically, add all of the known information about a source to the template. Some things won't be known and must be skipped. If you can find the data on the source, try to. Imzadi 1979  16:33, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
P.S. I know some editors don't like them or don't use them, but for me it's been simple. When I was in school, I had to look up in my Writer's Inc reference book to see how to format bibliography entries for my school papers. With the templates, I just supply the information and the template formats it for me. If a piece of information is missing, it knows how to reformat the output to accommodate it. (If an author is given, the date/year information appears in parentheses before the title information. If there isn't an author, the year is moved later so that the citation starts with the title.) When I was doing the Grand Rapids Press articles out of my library's Newsbank archive to list on the UP article talk page, I copied and pasted the information from the head of the article. That meant that the author was pasted in after the article title, but the template rearranged my data to the proper output. Imzadi 1979  16:43, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
In law school (Harvard blue book) and in 37 years of the practice of law, I had to use various forms of citations. I am well familiar with the regimen, but have not wanted to internalize a new system. But I will prove that "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" is wrong. Thank you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 18:18, 5 November 2010 (UTC) Stan
Button easy cite.png The Reftools button is your friend! I use it religiously, but I haven't quite memorized the syntax like Imzadi1979 has. –Fredddie 21:48, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
RefTools must be added for it to be seen by the user. Select My Preferences ==> Gadgets ==> Editing gadgets and then check refTools. It will be seen as Cite in the above right of the editing box in edit view. See Wikipedia:RefToolbar 2.0...And yes, it is the easy way of doing it without memorizing the rules of usage. :)
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You made a correction to the Italian Hall disaster website, regarding Alison Hoagland's book, Mine Towns. However, in her book, she DID say it was a bi-fold door. Although I disagree with her, she wrote on page 223, "This door was hinged in the middle so that one leaf folded flat against the other and both lay flat against the wall on the left." Like I said, she is wrong, but that is what she said. (talk) 18:58, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Note re citations ProveIt

There's a new tool that was announced in this week's Signpost called ProveIt that's becoming handy for me since I installed it last night. I'll take a look here quick though at the article. <span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" 7&6=thirteen (talk) 23:01, 7 December 2010 (UTC)


Stenopodidea Many species are particularly attractive, with striped red and white bodies, earning them the alternative name barber-pole shrimp. ... John Kay (caricaturist) In 1785, induced by the favour which greeted certain attempts of his to etch in aquafortis, he took down his barber's pole and opened a ... Allotropa

Oliver Hazard Perry Medals

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Per your request. Happy editing! QuAzGaA 19:06, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Quazgaa, I put it into the article. Please take a look. Thank you and Happy New Year to you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 04:37, 30 December 2010 (UTC) Stan

Talk:Old Mission Peninsula AVA

The discussion on this page concerns content and sourcing. One of our editors has decided that the following does not belong there.

Recurrent events

  • Local restaurants compete at the Old Mission wineries on the Saturday after Thanksgiving in a macaroni & cheese tasting event with the winners determined by popular vote.
  • On Saturday, the second weekend in May, Leelanau County hosts a Cherry Blossom Tour with free bus rides to orchards.
  • The Wineries of Old Mission host their annual Blossom Days the third weekend in May.[1]
  • A calendar of other events is available.[2] 7&6=thirteen (talk) 15:01, 2 January 2011 (UTC) Stan


Italian Hall disaster

You made a correction to the Italian Hall disaster website, regarding Alison Hoagland's book, Mine Towns. However, in her book, she DID say it was a bi-fold door. Although I disagree with her, she wrote on page 223, "This door was hinged in the middle so that one leaf folded flat against the other and both lay flat against the wall on the left." Like I said, she is wrong, but that is what she said. (talk) 18:58, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

In your recent revisions, you note that "Mine Towns" by Hoagland was named a Michigan Notable book. Is that an appropriate thing to place in the text of this entry? If so, "Death's Door" which is also referenced several times was a Michigan Notable book award winner in 2007. I would think either they both be mentioned as such, or neither. Whichever is appropriate. Thoughts? (talk) 19:39, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
I made the correction. You might want to set up a Wikipedia account, so that you are not editing from an IP address. I agree with you about the book awards. Wasn't aware of it, obviously. Never claimed omniscience. Or omnipotence, as my screwing around with the templates attests. Anyway, if I can be of assistance, feel free to let me know. Happy editing. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 19:55, 4 January 2011 (UTC) Stan

I added a reference for Lehto's book being a Notable Book in 2007. It makes the entry consistent on that point. I'd rather edit from an IP. (talk) 13:59, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

List of counties in Michigan and List of Michigan county name etymologies Request for assistance

Our esteemed editors deleted the second article, and did a half-assed, inadequate and incomplete merge of the subject matter into the first. I was not given notice of any of this, despite having been a substantial contributor to the second article, and a smaller contributor to the first. This was SNAFU and perhaps FUBAR, but it is water over the Wikipedia dam. So I am not trying to reopen this. I would like access to the deleted article, which actually has a lot of references and citations that need to be in the second. I do not want to have to reinvent the wheel. If somebody would put it (or a link) onto my talk page it would be appreciated. Please give me a hand. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 21:48, 6 January 2011 (UTC) Stan

It's pretty easy and you don't need to be an admin to access the history. Just click on the link to List of Michigan county name etymologies. Then from the List of counties in Michigan page, right under the title you should see (Redirected from List of Michigan county name etymologies) -- you can click on the link there to get to the redirect at the old title. Once there, you can click the View History link and access previous versions. This is direct link to the last version before it was redirected [1]. olderwiser 23:33, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Further reading

  • Armitage, B. Phyllis. (Oct-Dec 1943). "A Study of Michigan's Place-Names". Michigan History Magazine 27: 626–637.  Check date values in: |date= (help)
  • County histories published in Michigan History Magazine. Some back issues that include these histories are still available for purchase.
  • Jenks, William L. (1912). "History and Meaning of the County Names of Michigan". Collections and Researches of the Michigan Pioneer and Historical Society 38: 439–478. 
  • Michigan Manual (the "Red Book") published biennially by the Legislative Service Bureau under the direction of the. Legislative Council, State of Michigan. 
  • Powers, Perry F.; Cutler, H.G., assisting (1912). A History of Northern Michigan and its People. 
  • Reports of Counties, Towns and Districts. Report of the Pioneer Society of the State of Michigan. I (2nd ed.) (Lansing, Michigan: Robert Smith Printing Co.). 1874-6 (1900). pp. 94–520.  Check date values in: |date= (help)
  • Romig, Walter; Massie, Larry B (Designer) (1986). Michigan Place Names: The History of the Founding and the Naming of More Than Five Thousand Past and Present Michigan Communities. Detroit, Michigan: Wayne State University Press. ISBN 9780814318386. 
  • Vogel, Virgil J. (1986). Indian Names in Michigan. Ann Arbor, Michigan: University of Michigan Press. pp. 244, 8 B&W photographs & 3 maps. ISBN 978-0-472-06365-9. 

Merge discussion for Fred Green

Information.svg An article that you have been involved in editing, Fred Green, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Paul McDonald (talk) 14:04, 7 January 2011 (UTC)


My earlier text said "he ran the Revenge aground" implying Perry was directing the ship at the time. Research at Google Book search disclosed the 1843 article I mentioned and other sources noting that a pilot was steering the ship when , in the fog, it hit a reef and sank. I changed the text to "the Revenge ran aground." I am aware that today if a captain ran his ship into a reef and it sank, his career would likely be over. (See Holly Graf#Cowpens relief of command, for instance). See also [2] which notes that in 1908 running a ship aground was normally a career ending event, but (future) Admiral Nimitz survived that event. I suspected that Perry had gotten off lightly, perhaps through connections with powerful individuals, which could also have given him his fast promotions. Further research showed that this was not the case: he made the best of a bad situation caused by fog suddenly rolling in, while the local pilot was in charge, and a board fully exonerated him for swift actions to save the crew and much of the contents on the ship. It seemed like a noncontroversial editorial change,to make it the passive voice, but I added the note in case I was later challenged on it, just to remind me of a source. It did not seem important to add a reference to the article. See "Oliver Hazard Perry" by James Fenimore Cooper, Graham;s Magazine, Volume XXII, No. 5, May, 1843, page 268. If you think it is needed, feel free to add it, or let me know and I will. Edison (talk) 19:34, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Find a grave

Not a reliable source, so not a good reference to include. As for photos, what would prevent someone from providing any photo, with the inscription photoshopped to say whatever he wished? (Pranksters create even fake wars, fake towns and fake roads on Wikipedia. Way too much time on their hands). It is interesting, but not useful for verifying anything. Edison (talk) 19:50, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Mountain dog‎ andTalk:Mountain dog‎

There is an interesting discussion about the scope of articles and article content. I am not urging anyone to take a position, but I am urging input from fellow editors. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 19:30, 15 January 2011 (UTC) Stan

10th anniversary

Thanks for the anniversary greetings! Have a happy anniversary too! WhisperToMe (talk) 18:59, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

I am tempted

(and probably will give in -my usual response to temptation) to attribute the sculpture at the Alpena County Courthouse to Parducci, however his records, those that I have, are blank for 1932 through 1934, so I am not going to make that claim on wikipedia. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 18:36, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

It sure looks a lot like the work on your webpage (which I rather enjoyed, especially the photos of National Shrine of the Little Flower. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 21:19, 1 February 2011 (UTC) Stan

Good MI newspaper resources

Newspapers for Michigan -- old & new
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Thanks. Trying to find sources on E.M. will be scut work, I think. I tend to think that if Quinion World Wide Words couldn't find it or cite to it, then it is of marginal relevance. But I'll keep this in mind. I think that the rewrite is balanced and gives some insight (at least contemporarily) on the origins of the controversy. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 18:08, 3 February 2011 (UTC) Stan

Re: The Real McCoy

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here's a corrected URL for the congressional record citation #18 —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:19, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

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for 7&6=thirteen. Bravo. For your very good correction in page of Pauline Bebe. Continue your good work in Wikipedia. Pass a good week-end, Best regards --Geneviève (talk) 17:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Merci. Thank you for creating the excellent article which is on an important person and subject. 7&6=thirteen () 17:22, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Sherman Minton and judicial review

Good article on judicial review that I tripped across, and which could have application to this and other SCOTUS articles. And this was before some of the more recent handiwork of the court. 7&6=thirteen () 15:51, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Hope you didn't mind my refactoring

If you want me to undo my refactoring of your comments on Barek's page, I will. I was hoping to clarify for his sake. If the user doesn't respond and keeps spamming, I will be headed towards having that site blacklisted.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 18:31, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

No. Please don't undo the good work you did. I think that blacklisting would put a stop to it. I frankly don't want to attack the poster as a vandal, as it isn't that clear to me. But like The Wolf in Sheep's Clothing, you can judge them by what they do, not what they wear. 7&6=thirteen () 18:47, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Pauline Bebe

Bonjour I am going to write to HJ Mitchell so that a part of this DKY is for you. It was a work Team and you deserve this award.--Geneviève (talk) 13:57, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations to you. You are too kind. I just wanted to give you a helping hand. It is good to water the acorns. Merci. 7&6=thirteen () 14:05, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
If you feel they're deserving of credit, by all means copy and paste the template from your talk page to theirs. I know it's my signature on your talk page, but that's only because I was the person who told the bot what to do. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:52, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Congratulations 7&6=thirteen . I am very proud of your work on this page. --Geneviève (talk) 20:52, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:04, 8 March 2011 (UTC)


I better go and spell "university" correctly in my cut-&paste bibliography too. Good catch. EInar aka Carptrash (talk) 17:14, 10 March 2011 (UTC)


Hi Thirteen, regarding this set of edits at Earl Young, I need to point out some problems. First, all of those categories except one relates to architectural styles, not the architects themselves. "Category:Arts and Crafts architects" was a good addition though, I'd have not thought of it. Second, please do not add both parent and child categories to articles. For example, only "American architectural styles" would be added, not it and "Architectural styles". The article is already in the latter since it is in the former. Same with "Modernist architecture in the United States" and "Modernist architecture", and "Arts and Crafts architects" and "Arts and Crafts Movement". Let me know if you have any questions. Huntster (t @ c) 03:41, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I figured it was better to include them and have someone delete them if I was wrong, rather than need them and not have them. Over inclusion is more easily found and corrected than under inclusion, I think. I don't disagree with you at all. 7&6=thirteen () 15:37, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I agree completely. If in doubt, throw it in, and it'll be fixed in necessary. Like I said, I'd have never known about the "Arts and Crafts architects" category had you not included it. We're always learning here. :) Huntster (t @ c) 22:37, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
The whole category thing is very daunting, especially when you are dabbling in subjects you don't normally edit. Happy editing. 7&6=thirteen () 22:54, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Bonjour dear Thirteen

This morning, I have a big problem with the Infobox national hockey team for Slovenian women's national ice hockey team: see my sandbox User:Genevieve2/sandbox0324. Maybe you can help me ? thanks, merci --Geneviève (talk) 16:01, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Genevieve, I am completely out of my depth on this issue. Maybe one of our esteemed editors can help. Let me know if that works out. 7&6=thirteen () 16:12, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
I fixed the template. Just a missing bracket.Asher196 (talk) 16:40, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for helping out our newbie editor. I'm sure she'll echo the sentiments. 7&6=thirteen () 17:33, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

...for the barnstar. That's very kind of you. Cheers,
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 21:10, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

gif file on userpage

Someone uploaded a new version on Feb. 6 using Autodesk Maya which changed the file. Apparently this renders it non-working when it is resized. I'll leave a note and may revert the file at Commons.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 15:35, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Some of the explanation is here. I've linked to the older version which should work for you.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 16:28, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Thank you. I like it much better as a working model. 7&6=thirteen () 16:59, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Let me know if your userpage looks okay to you...I've got a widescreen monitor and it may look good to me but not to you.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 21:49, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Four aces. 7&6=thirteen () 21:51, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

your Help for correction a text

Bonsoir dear 7&6=thirteen, I working now on Coupe Dodge. It is a Québecois Championship in Ice hockey (French region of Canada). The old article of wikipedia speak only about men ice hockey. As I know very well this girls competition, I complete now with the women ice hockey User:Genevieve2/sandbox05. My English Language is poor and maybe my draft is filled with grammatical mistakes and with English spelling. Can you hepl me to correct this text? You should not translate everything into English language especially the name of the French-speaking teams. But for the verbs yes it makes translate correctly. If you will to help me, it would be kind. Merci beaucoup --Geneviève (talk) 00:13, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Sherman Minton

I don't really get this edit. Why link to a Google copy of the original when you can link just as well to the original? --Conti| 17:03, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Addition of "Rare dog breeds" cat to BMD article

Hi there, I noticed you had re-added the rare dog breeds category to the Bernese Mountain Dog article and I'm curious as to your rationale. I had originally removed it because its AKC ranking is 39, putting it on par with Collies, Miniature Pinschers, Bichon Frise(s?), and Viszlak. As far as I know -- could be wrong -- the breed is even more popular in Europe; not sure about other regions. — anndelion (talk) 02:31, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Anndrelion, I would confess that I don't know where the cutoff from 'rare' to 'common' is. I don't actually see a lot of Berners, but that is completely anecdotal, idiosyncratic and may be due to where I happen to be. I don't have a strong position on this. I would think that ranking is one tool, but actual numbers of registrations might be a more useful way of thinking about this. The numbers of dogs, I would guess, drop off sharply after the first 25 breeds. Hope that explains what I did and why. If there is a policy somewhere, of an accepted definiton, that might inform what we want to do. 7&6=thirteen () 02:38, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
See Rare breed (dog) 7&6=thirteen () 02:43, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Moving this to Bernese mountain dog. 7&6=thirteen () 02:47, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Roseville, MI

You have reverted a change I made to the Roseville, Michigan page, which was a correct update of the city's demographics. I am reverting them back, as it was accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Remisc (talkcontribs) 04:30, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Talk:List of magic museums‎ and Talk:La Maison de la Magie Robert-Houdin

Good Evening, Both texts seem to me to be good. I cannot write more because I do not know the subject of magic museums. Bonne chance --Geneviève (talk) 00:47, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

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Pictures for La Maison de la Magie Robert-Houdin

Wanted to drop a note off to say I enjoyed reading the La Maison de la Magie Robert-Houdin article, and wanted to point out that two of the pictures in the Jean Eugène Robert-Houdin article could be used in the museum article as well. I took File:Jean Eugène Robert-Houdin museum (statue and display).jpg and File:Jean Eugène Robert-Houdin statue (Blois).jpg when visiting Blois, but didn't get a chance to go inside the musuem. What you are seeing in the former pictures (and the picture in the article) is the "The six-headed dragon automaton" display, where the dragon models move in and out of the windows (the current article caption incorrectly calls the dragons crocodiles, and the "snake" is one of the dragon's tails). I'm sure there are videos of it on YouTube if you look (not sure whether public displays like that in France are accepted on Commons). Anyway, hope those pictures will be of some use. Carcharoth (talk) 16:03, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Carcharoth, thanks for the positive feedback. I'm sure that Bereanhunter will alter the caption, and I'll leave it to him. It is appreciated that someone who has been there concurs in the worth of the article. I actually have quite a bit to add, but get caught up in real life pursuits. Will take a look at the suggested pictures, as I've been working quite diligently on the Robert-Houdin article. Best to you. 7&6=thirteen () 20:09, 25 April 2011 (UTC)