User talk:83.160.54.33

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I've posted in the talk page on the Gose article regarding your reversions of my edits. Please discuss the edits there rather than starting an edit war. Thank you. Dyrnych (talk) 16:32, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Mikebe?[edit]

I might be wrong, but are you man formerly known as User:Mikebe? If so, go ahead and log in to make it easier to leave messages. Otherwise you might be flagged as a Sock Puppet. If not, have fun debating the beer articles, and please keep an open mind on the internationalization of beer.Beakerboy (talk) 17:00, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I just thought it was quite a coincidence that after 2 and a half years of inactivity, User:Mikebe broke his silence [[1]] and your first post was on the exact same article one day earlier. Your and his debate styles are similar too. Your comment on an article edit was "Quadrupel is not type of beer, but the brand name of a Dutch beer", which was a sentiment strongly shared by Mike.Beakerboy (talk) 00:45, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Wow! Calm down! Where did I attack you? I merely asked for clarification on your identity due to what appears to be a coincidence. I noticed that there is a lot of back and forth between you and other contributors on European beer and American beer with a strong Belgian influence. User:Mikebe and I had many in-depth conversations on the same subject and due to his depth of knowledge he made some convincing arguments about subjects he was passionate in. By "internationalization of beer" I meant that the influence of European beer is widespread, and beer articles should reflect that. That's it. BTW, Mike is also Dutch...at least he used to live in Amsterdam. Since you must be a new wikipedia user, The best way to keep this conversation organized would be to place all your responses here, and just leave a quick note on my talk page to let me know you responded. That way we don't have to flip back and forth to see what each other said.Beakerboy (talk) 18:20, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

You didn't ask for clarification, you assumed I was the same person. Read for yourself what you wrote. Secondly, here's an American beer blogger with a simialar POV: http://worldofbeer.wordpress.com/2011/07/19/belgian-based-head-shaking/ So, it's not only non-Americans who feel that way. Regarding internationalisation, it seems to me that is an opinion. Secondly, "the influence of European beer is widespead" - where? In Europe? Obviously, no. So in the US. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not an American encyclopedia, so it seems only relevant in the US. And finally, what does a "type" of beer fantasised by Americans have to do with either an encyclopedia or "internationalisation?" Here, for you reference is a list of beer types in the Netherlands and Belgium: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorie:Biersoort Do you see quadrupel there? Why is that do you think? And finally: this is an international encyclopedia and should reflect that POV, not the POV of the majority of the contributors here.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.160.54.33 (talkcontribs) 13:49, 21 January 2014‎

Um....I guess the one thing I assumed is that you had a good handle on English. I'm sorry if there has been confusion due to translation or other language difficulties. I said, 'I might be wrong', which means I'm NOT making any judgement, but conceding that the following question could very well be incorrect. You said I didn't ask for clarification, but that first sentence ends with a Question Mark. In English a question mark indicates that clarification is requested from the respondent. I said 'are you the man formerly known as...'. I didn't say 'you are the man'. I know some languages have nouns and verbs flipped around in different cases, so the sentence I wrote was asking for clarification as to wether you were Mike, but just not logged in. Flipping it to 'You are the person...' Would indicate an accusation, or statement of fact. Again, sorry for the confusion and keep on keepin' on.Beakerboy (talk) 14:35, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Also, as a final point, I don't care the least bit about what you put in the beer articles, I was only curious if you were Mike because we had lots of good discussions in the past. The more you type, the more I think you guys would hit it off.Beakerboy (talk) 19:27, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't really plan to be here very long. A friend told me about what a crap article was about tripel. I'm still not finished with yet, by the way. I think you really misunderstand how beer is seen in Europe. I am not at all unusual, for example, about quadrupel - in fact, I don't know anyone who agrees that it is a type of beer. There is no Ratebeer or Beeradvocate in Europe. Nothing like them that I know of. And they are too blame for most of the misinformation about beer that I see.