User talk:89.27.36.41

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In any case, I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your comments on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your IP address (or username if you're logged in) and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question and then place {{helpme}} before the question on this page. Again, welcome! Apteva (talk) 16:19, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

FYI, we discuss the topic, not the editor. Any comment directed to or about any editor may be deleted by anyone. See WP:NPA. Apteva (talk) 16:19, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

You may only delete personal attacks. Disagreeing with you is not a personal attack and neither is asking you why you removed a comment like that. See WP:WIAPA and WP:RPA: "removal should typically be limited to clear-cut cases where it is obvious the text is a true personal attack". --89.27.36.41 (talk) 16:40, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
"There is no rule that is objective and not open to interpretation on what constitutes a personal attack as opposed to constructive discussion". AFAIC any naming of another editor in a discussion is a personal attack and may be removed by any editor. Apteva (talk) 16:47, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
"AFAIC" is not applicable as Wikipedia policy. As is said on that policy page only clear-cut personal attacks should be removed. If someone says "FU" that is clear-cut. Someone mentioning your username when responding to you is not an attack. --89.27.36.41 (talk) 16:52, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Call me more sensitive than others if you wish, but it clearly is a personal attack if another editor is named, and is forbidden, and can be deleted by any editor. Apteva (talk) 17:44, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Not according to Wikipedia policy. There is a list of different types of personal attacks in WP:WIAPA, and what you describe is not among them. Note that accusing another user of making personal attacks without proper evidence is in itself considered a personal attack. --89.27.36.41 (talk) 17:49, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

"There is no rule that is objective and not open to interpretation on what constitutes a personal attack as opposed to constructive discussion, but some types of comments are never acceptable". Accusing anyone of one of those items that are never acceptable is itself never acceptable if that is not what they have done. What I am objecting to is directing comments to or at a specific editor. That is not something that is appropriate. Another page that discusses this is WP:FOC. Apteva (talk) 23:48, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

You have the right to your opinions. But don't mistake them for Wikipedia policy. There is no policy that forbids the mentioning of another's username in discussion. None of the comments you removed were personal attacks. And clearly it is often necessary to direct comments at a specific editor, if there are dozens of users in the discussion and it would otherwise be unclear to whom one were responding. --89.27.36.41 (talk) 00:19, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
Bear in mind that one of our rules is that there are no rules. It just is very bad practice to name anyone or direct comments to or about another editor when discussion is not specifically about that topic. Focus on the topic not the editor. That is from one of our policies, Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Apteva (talk) 01:40, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Meaning of "valar morghulis"[edit]

The inclusion of the text explaining the meaning of "valar morghulis" is being discussed on that article's talk page. Please contribute there if you believe that the words "In the novels, however, it is said to mean 'all men must die.'" should be either removed or kept. Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:18, 6 June 2012 (UTC)