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Hi A2soup, I have amended the population field in the infobox but it's still displaying the old figure. I think it's pulling on centralised data from somewhere, probably using Template:Population Germany. Try posting the question on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Germany; there are some Germany experts there who understand the mechanics of these infoboxes. --Bermicourt (talk) 17:16, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

That's what I found too. I'll see if they can do anything over there. Thanks! A2soup (talk) 17:54, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

XTools links[edit]

Where are you seeing links that point to the wrong place? I tried to go through and update everywhere I could think of, such as the "Revision history statistics" on the page history interface, etc. The 301 is not really an error, we had to move some tools into their own instance for performance reasons. Thanks MusikAnimal talk 15:11, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I did realize that the 301 wasn't really an error, which is why I deleted my original comment. Much appreciate your willingness to help though! A2soup (talk) 15:39, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Sure thing, but where did you see the wrong links? Was it anywhere on the wiki or did you just have it bookmarked or something? I ask because we should update all the old links if possible. MusikAnimal talk 15:43, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
I just figured that a redirect error must mean the link is outdated, which I now realize is probably not the case here. I was linking through the gadget toolbar. If you are really interested in keeping the XTools gadget up to date, though, I could also note that the page view statistics do not work at all. A2soup (talk) 16:28, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Oh okay, yeah that gadget badly needs updating. The page view stats tool we don't actually have access to, and Hedonil apparently retired from the project. However we're in the process of gaining access to his tools, which required WMF involvement given the security issues. Anyways hopefully all will soon be fixed :) Thanks MusikAnimal talk 17:02, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
Good luck and thanks for your work on the issue! A2soup (talk) 18:08, 18 February 2015 (UTC)


What are you changing back to "The Blue Marble" image? Check if the Earth article it is. Thank you! Jcpag2012 (a.k.a. John Carlo) from Wikipedia 07:36, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Re: your email[edit]

You're right, I made a mistake using an automated tool for reverting vandalism. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. (ESkog)(Talk) 12:33, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

No worries-- thanks again for vandal-patrolling! A2soup (talk) 17:21, 20 February 2015 (UTC)


What are you removing the greyscale image? I made clearly greyscale over CW0131775256F Kuiper Crater.png image for Mercury. Discuss the page.

Thanks! Jcpag2012 (a.k.a. John Carlo) from Wikipedia 04:33, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

I reverted the image for two reasons. 1) True color is preferable to greyscale since it is closer what the planet would actually look like, and 2) the color picture is higher resolution and shows more detail when you zoom in. Feel free to add the greyscale image anywhere in the main article where it is appropriate, I don't have any objections to it except that the color one is better. By "discuss the page", do you mean that I should move this discussion to Talk:Mercury (planet)? A2soup (talk) 04:41, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

2060 Chiron[edit]

Why do someone remove the Celestia image of 2060 Chiron (I used it)? That's not bad, but it is good you know. --Jcpag2012 (a.k.a. John Carlo) from Wikipedia 06:38, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

I didn't remove it, so I can't say. As I recently posted on you talk page, I do think that your edits would probably get reverted less if you used the edit summary to explain why the new image is better. A2soup (talk) 06:54, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


The un-linking edits on Earth are maintenance edits, please do not revert them. Thank you, Mlpearc (open channel) 23:50, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

@Mlpearc: I'm not sure I understand. Your edit summaries say "per WP:Linking", so I assumed that you delinked because you judged the links to not conform to the guidelines about what should be linked. If so, I reverted some of your delinking because I judged those links to conform to the linking guidelines at WP:Linking, but I would be happy to discuss the links on the respective talk pages. Do you mean something else by "maintenance edits"? A2soup (talk) 23:56, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
It's a user script which un-links common terms which are not necessary. The script (which I'm not the author) leaves "per WP:Linking" as an edit summary, this script's edits also fall under WP:OVERLINKING. Mlpearc (open channel) 00:09, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
As a person, I disagree with some of the script's edits. Some are arguable, but others just don't make much sense. Just off the top of my head, it delinked erosion, earthquake, and alumina at Earth.
Just because the edits were made by a script does not make them less arguable. In fact, I think it makes it more important that a someone review them, since overlinking and underlinking are context-dependent and often subjective. WP:LINKING on what to link: "relevant connections to the subject of another article that will help readers understand the article more fully . . . This can include people, events, and topics that already have an article or that clearly deserve one, so long as the link is relevant to the article in question." (emphasis mine) Many things are relevant to Earth.
Is it fair to ask that you revert my edits based on your human judgement of each individual link, not simply because they disagree with your script? A2soup (talk) 00:22, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I already did, all I can do is provide a link. Mlpearc (open channel) 00:31, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the link! I'm still interested, though, in whether you are okay with the idea that some of my re-linking might be correct, and whether you are willing to revert my linking based on your personal judgement of each link. A2soup (talk) 00:35, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Fair ? Look, all I was doing was working (constructively) on a encyclopedia and apparently I stepped into a Badger hole, if you don't like the script take it up with the author, I don't need a full blown debate. Sorry I stumbled into your area. Happy editing, Mlpearc (open channel) 00:39, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
Please don't take it the wrong way-- much of the delinking was correct, and all of it was constructive. I just thought that some of the links that were removed should not have been and was wondering if you were open to discussing them. If you are, feel free to revert me again, but please at least do so based on your human judgement of each link, not just so that the script can get its way. A2soup (talk) 00:47, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Please STOP reverting my edits. If I were you I'd gain consensus somewhere either about the actually un-linking or on the user script, either way is fine but, don't follow me around undoing my constructive editing. Good day sir/ma'am, Mlpearc (open channel) 01:18, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Please at least read the diffs-- I am not reverting your edits. I am leaving many of the terms delinked and adjusting others instead of just restoring the links. Your automated edits are constructive, and I am refining them with human judgement. Also, I am not following you around-- all of the pages I have edited are on my watchlist. I have not looked at your contributions at all (even though I am tempted ;)) A2soup (talk) 01:23, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

FPC: Neptune[edit]

I nominate Neptune on the featured picture candidates. You can reply on this section, thank you. :) --Jcpag2012 (a.k.a. John Carlo) from Wikipedia 09:22, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

FPC: 2 Nominations[edit]

I made FPC nomination.

Okay, just vote now. :) --Jcpag2012 (a.k.a. John Carlo) from Wikipedia 05:02, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

You made some great edits to the Bacteriocin article. I appreciate your work. It doesn't go unnoticed. Best Regards,

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Thanks! A2soup (talk) 16:09, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

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Ah well, I was ambivalent about whether to ping him anyways. Thanks for the heads up. A2soup (talk) 02:17, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for your advice re 'Seeds of Death: Unveiling the Lies of GMOs[edit]

I'd just like to thank you for pointing out a process that I wasn't aware or familiar of. The review is happening Wikipedia:Deletion review - Seeds of Death: Unveiling the Lies of GMOs. There has been some kind of placement of a marker for Seeds of Death: Unveiling the Lies of GMOs. I'm not sure if it's supposed to look like that or the actual article is to be restored. Anyway .. .. so we'll see how it shapes up. Thanks again. Mr Bill Truth (talk) 11:15, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

No problem! I think that particular case was clearly an example of inappropriate censorship, and I am happy to help you put it right. Let me take this opportunity to offer you one more piece of advice. Your user page shows that you are very passionate and opinionated about some issues. It's fine (even good) for you to improve and create pages related to the things you are passionate about, but be careful to avoid tendentious editing and understand that articles must conform to a neutral point of view. Note that a neutral point of view does not give equal weight to all sides of an issue, but rather distributes emphasis among points of view in a manner roughly proportionate to the support each view has in reliable sources. Good luck in your future editing! A2soup (talk) 06:37, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. Yes the "C word" is quite descriptive of what takes place here. I'm not sure if Seeds of Death: Unveiling the Lies of GMOs is supposed to look like it does here or is it supposed to have content as per the others. It seems that after the whole process for this review is over, it may go from the frying pan into the fire. I see some folk want it sent to AFD. Oh well. As for your advice. I thank you for that. IT's good advice that I will take on board! Definitely will. Thanks again. 10:43, 2 August 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr Bill Truth (talkcontribs)

It's up for deletion, just as I knew it would be. As I believe you're someone with integrity, If you have a moment free, I'd like to ask you to observe what takes place and if at some time in the future you see a similar pattern with some particular members, then perhaps that may be something that you could remember. I'm not going to out anyone here but I will say that there is team work and I have had a look at some historical things and have taken note myself. Thanks again. Mr Bill Truth (talk) 13:05, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for keeping me updated. I would keep in mind that articles are deleted for lack of notability all the time and the standards for doing so are quite well-established. So I'm not sure I would jump to the conclusion that deleting Seeds of Death: Unveiling the Lies of GMOs for lack of notability (after discussion at AfD) is an example of the "C word". If you are concerned, it might help to look through the AfD archives to see what kinds of articles are usually deleted and how the discussions usually go, so you can better judge whether anything untoward is going on here. A2soup (talk) 17:04, 6 August 2015 (UTC)


Why are you removing the artist's impression of TrES-2b? That is an accurate artist's impression by David Aguilar! Seriously, you're deleting pictures from all over Wikipedia and I don't like the sound of that. I noticed you deleted some other Celestia depictions of extrasolar planets. So can we not do that? Exoplanet Expert (talk) 15:43, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

There is a lengthy discussion on this subject at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Astronomy#Should_Artist.27s_Impression_images_that_be_used_on_Article_Pages.3F. There is not clear consensus, but it is clear to me from the arguments for and against artist's impressions that the community is only behind images from reliable sources that have some scientific basis (although maybe not a whole lot). That image looks to me like it is quite inaccurate (too close to star, entirely speculative moons, colors never observed or predicted), but I don't know who David Aguilar is. Is he a reliable source on exoplanets? Also, if you feel strongly about this issue, please offer your opinion (with an argument for it!) at the Wikiproject Astronomy discussion I linked above-- that discussion needs to be revitalized. A2soup (talk) 23:49, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

RfC tag removed on WP:AIAO's talk page[edit]

Hi A2soup! Just wanted to let you know that User:Legobot removed the RfC tag for the concensus going on WP:AIAO's talk page and didn't close the discussion. Davidbuddy9 (talk) 19:29, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! I just posted at WP:AN/RFC, so let's hope it gets addressed! A2soup (talk) 20:44, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

4 Vesta[edit]

I left a message on the Talk:4 Vesta talk page. Please respond there. Regards, Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 17:50, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

reply request[edit]

Since you're involved, reply to my message in Draft talk:List of exoplanets. Cheers, Huritisho 21:48, 9 October 2015 (UTC)


You're probably right that it wasn't sporting of me to nominate that so quickly. But I see that, as I expected, the page creator has already gone on to dig out more deleted/redirected articles from page histories without sources...asking that we hold off before nomming those too. I think there's going to be a lot of these pages before they're done, and a speedy might have helped to head that off by sending the right message that sourcing is required. The way I see it, if the community goes through the trouble of having a delete debate, and the page gets deleted, then it's not helpful to go straight on and recreate the article with the same problem just because some years have passed. Otherwise, we're going to endlessly re-hash every delete decision we've made. And for what purpose? Geogene (talk) 01:08, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

I stepped in there only because the AfD was closed without prejudice for recreation with RSs and the creator promised to provide RSs. If the deletion had been closed as an unqualified delete, I wouldn't have done anything. I agree that the RSs really should have been provided at the time of re-creation. I don't really know the full situation with this user and haven't come across any other G4 noms for their articles. If it's looking like persistent problem, I would recommend starting a discussion about it on their talk page rather than hashing it out over individual articles. A2soup (talk) 01:36, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

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You may have already done this...[edit]

... but if you haven't, have you considered notifying the admins in your selection box? I know this isn't at AN or ANI, but it might be an idea. I don't want to, in case they all agree with me and I get accused of canvassing... 8-( Peridon (talk) 18:27, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

@Peridon: I'm sorry, I'm not quite sure what you're referring to? Is this about the discussion at WT:CSD? And what's a selection box? A2soup (talk) 19:30, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, yes, the A7 conflict - and I was referring to the 'album'. Peridon (talk) 19:52, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
I already had contact with RHaworth last summer, when I sent some of his A7 speedies to DRV (different ones than in the album, and mostly less egregious-- not all of them were clearly improper). The consensus there seemed to be, "Even if some of these these are improper A7s, none of them have a chance of passing AfD, so why would we restore them? Stop wasting our time." People there also generally followed the same A7 interpretation as RHaworth, implicitly appealing to WP:V and whatnot. It got pretty close to me being accused of harassment, so I definitely don't want to go poking that particular hornet's nest again. And regardless, I think the problems with A7 are systemic, not due to individual sysops, and need to be addressed by rewriting the criterion in an unambiguous way. Going after RHaworth and others is counterproductive because even if they did stop making A7 deletions, there would be other sysops that would pick up the slack and likely apply the same misguided standard. And I don't want them to stop making A7 deletions anyways-- many of their deletions are good and important for the maintenance of the pedia.
So I'm currently trying to find an unambiguous standard for A7 that can then be used to curb the excesses of consensus practice. I think that is the best way to fix its problems. I don't know, what do you think of all this? A2soup (talk) 20:39, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
There'll be never a real bright line. As I've pointed out there, different people find different things credible. (Some even believe politicians...) And I can't see a possibility of a bright line for significance. The whole business that's going on started off over that kid writing about himself. No way has he got an award that's of note - I'm not even sure that he exists. Anyone with something worth writing about wouldn't reference it to 'My butthole'. I don't know American Scouting as well as I do British, but what I saw on their site made me somewhat unsure about his 'star' as well. Adam is somewhat literal minded, it appears - he says on his user page that he has Asperger's and I think he's finding difficulty with WP's normal IAR and varied interpretations. I can see his point about the wording, but I can't see anything worthwhile getting past the vociferous brigade of theorists that are to be found on the CSD talk page, but who never tag or detag that I've seen. This is why I made the suggestion that we should stop deleting A7 for a week or two, and take the lot to AfD instead to see what happens. (I'm not denying their right to have opinions, but I wish they'd be more like the Salvation Army than High Church - actually get their hands dirty. I'm naming no names. I'm not claiming to be a voice of authority, even though removal of rubbish is my main work - it's what I actually signed up to do, and my first edit is there and has never been reverted. I don't write content for three reasons. I edit while doing other things rather than having concentrated times exclusively here. I am a writer offwiki, and that's enough for me. And lastly, I can never think of anything that I know enough about that isn't already here. If you want a challenge, there's some preserved stuff and a started stub linked on my user page that anyone's free to work on. And that's more than I intended to write. It's not getting two (magazine) articles written. Peridon (talk) 21:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
PS I gave Adam what might be his first barnstar for stirring this up, and Melanie seconded it. I hoped he wouldn't think I was being sarky, and I wasn't. Seems to be OK with it. Peridon (talk) 21:40, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
I think we're talking past each other a bit, haha. I didn't know any of that background with Adam, I just follow the CSD talk page since I have a pet interest in A7 reform, and that's all I've seen of this apparently much wider dispute. To respond to the theoretical A7 question you addressed, I can't see why a bright line on significance is any less possible than a bright line on notability. How about this bright line (which I brought up on CSD talk page): "A claim of significance is a statement that, if true, could be legitimately used as part of an argument in favor of a Keep vote at WP:AfD. It does not matter whether a full argument for a Keep vote is possible with the present facts, whether the final decision would be likely to be Keep, or whether the balance of the present facts lean towards Keep, only that the individual statement could legitimately be cited as part of an argument for a Keep vote." This definition achieves "bright line" status by drawing on developed, well-defined notability standards, but remains a distinct and lower standard. Thoughts? A2soup (talk) 21:56, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

About EV Carinae[edit]

I look up at the reference, and in contrary to what you just said, EV Carinae is in the reference, page 22 NR 231.

I know that it does not state the radius, but Lithopsian was experienced in these kinds of topics. In fact, he was the one who put NML Cygni a number of 1,650 despite no reference stating the radius directly. There is a particular formula for determining the radius of a star using temperature, luminosity and spectral type that Lithopsian knows for sure. part If you open the reference, and clicked GET in Get low resolution PDF just below Printing Options, you will view the entire reference, and it states EV Carinae's temperature, spectral type and luminosity, that, when formulated, can determine the radius.

The number 2,880 is what surprises me, since in all honesty there is a limitation for that formula within stars with high metals. It could be an error, in a HUGE margin.

Anyway, you said you are not an expert, so in that case, I would bring it back what you reverted. Lithopsian was the expert, but he didn't respond to me so far, so keep an eye on him. By the way, if you want to talk, visit! SkyFlubbler (talk) 13:23, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

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Hey, thank you so much for all your diligent edits ! May I ask how come you landed on the page ? --Wuerzele (talk) 21:46, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Dear A2soup, thank you for your positive feedback - I like the picture too. I think it is a worthwile addition because it provides a lesser known view on the true geometrical shape of Earth. Let me see if I can add a two-hemisphere plot, good suggestion. Kind regards geodesy2000 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geodesy2000 (talkcontribs) 13:24, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Saturn - thanks[edit]

That was quick! Thanks for getting to it right away. Yes, the moonlets reference needs a bit of effort for a polished account, but I have no problem with what you've done here; if I think of it again soon and have the time, I might try to cobble together a suggested edit for that. (talk) 14:05, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

No problem! You could also make an account, get autoconfirmed (which is super easy), and do it yourself! See the note I left you on the talk page of what I imagine is a different IP address you were editing from: User talk: request at Talk:Saturn. A2soup (talk) 14:25, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
I did start to make an account some years ago, in a similar situation where I saw something that needed editing, but it seemed to a really complicated process - or at least, more complicated than I have time for then.
Yes, I sent the request from work, then replied from home. I hadn't noticed your comments on the other talk page, so thanks for them now. The mysteries of IP addresses: I'd have thought my work IP address was pretty static, but I had nothing to do with the other posts from that address. (talk) 11:06, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Benoit & Sergio[edit]

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Should the current artist's impression be removed from the Planet Nine infobox?[edit]

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You are reverting improvements to policy against the discussion. Stop reverting me. Legacypac (talk) 22:59, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

@Legacypac: Where in what discussion did people agree on your change to WP:NOT? I don't mean to act dense, I really don't know what you are referring to. Can you please direct me to the agreement? A2soup (talk) 01:32, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

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