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I would like you to unprotect the page "" so that I can write on the page about the Democracy 2.0 movement of this youth civic engagement organization.

Ice Blues and other Don Strachey movies airing on Canadian TV

Which Canadian pay station did Ice Blues (and On the Other Hand, Death) air on? I have been trying to find out for some time. Up until now, I assumed it was OutTV, but if you meant that you order OutTV as a standalone when you meant it was a "pay" channel, that might jibe with what I've heard about it. Is that what you meant? If not, which other Canadian pay channel airs the Strachey films? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Homoaffectional (talkcontribs) 19:04, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

No, I don't subscribe to OutTV; I know what it is, I just find it a bit expensive. This was SuperChannel -- here in Vancouver, channels 161 through 164 -- which is a "movie channel" that I believe originates in eastern Canada. I have recorded copies of both films. Perhaps you might want to send me an e-mail about this topic. Accounting4Taste:talk 14:29, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
I would be glad to e-mail you, but I couldn't find your e-mail address on your user page. What is it? Homoaffectional (talk) 21:13, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you! I very much look forward to it. I'll be sure to e-mail you with feedback and such and we can discuss which one was our respective favorites, etc., etc., etc. Homoaffectional (talk) 18:19, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

About the article varalaxmi

I have put reliable sources on it, does it still have to be deleted? Xxxsacheinxxx (talk) 17:04, 28 July 2008 (UTC) Thank you for explaining. Xxxsacheinxxx (talk) 17:12, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

```` Sir, I am trying to write a very useful article related to teaching, because it is not on wiki. but i am not used to. so, i wanted to see how it looks like after writing a few line. i saved the page. then, started writing again, but in the meanwhile it was deleted. Please restore it. In 24 hours i will expand it and it would be as best as i can. ````

Thanks for your note. Since the entire article consisted of one sentence, I suggest that it will not be too much of a strain for you to recreate it at some future point, and I'd rather not recreate the sentence since (a) I have no guarantee that you will indeed be back to complete an article, and (b) someone else would delete it within an hour for the same reason. My advice would be that you recreate the article in a "sandbox" page -- that will allow you to work on adding the crucial references that must be present. If you'd like help in creating a sandbox page, let me know -- and if you sign your note with four tildes -- ~~~~, or the shifted key to the immediate left of the digit 1 on a standard Western keyboard -- it will make it easy for me to do that for you. Accounting4Taste:talk 20:47, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Madhukar (author)

Responding to the user's helpme request - does WP:CSD#G4 really apply here? The AFD mainly addressed lack of references, which were provided in the recreation. Thoughts? –xeno (talk) 21:47, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I had a careful look at the deleted material and the five references that were provided. The first two were references to the author's own work, which I can't really accept as a reliable source, and as near as I can tell the final three don't actually refer to the author or his work, but rather discuss the same topic that the author seemingly discusses. (Which is rather like saying, "I wrote about relativity and so did Einstein, and since he is notable that makes me notable too.") However, I am entirely willing to believe that I have made a mistake here. My suggestion would be to take the issue to deletion review, but if I have jumped to an erroneous conclusion, I am happy to revisit it if you want to avoid that step. My understanding is that since the AfD was only about four days ago that deletion review would have been the logical first step -- I confess it seemed to me to be a bit saucy to merely repost the article so soon after it had been AfD'd, but that's not necessarily a valid reason for anything in particular. How would you like to proceed? I'm at your service, although I may be offline much of the next 24 hours -- if you or someone else cares to overrule me, I am totally okay with that. Accounting4Taste:talk 22:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
What if we userfy it and let them work with it for a bit? (I would be willing to bet the reposting wasn't sauciness, but simply misunderstanding of custom) –xeno (talk) 22:18, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
An excellent suggestion; thank you, that's very suitable. Would you mind awfully handling the details? I must go offline somewhat urgently and cannot be around to handle the details, possibly for as much as a day, but I want to thank you for your efforts here and make my apologies if I've caused you a lot of extra work. (I protected the page, as you're probably aware; feel free to un-protect it and do anything else that you think is appropriate here.) Accounting4Taste:talk 22:21, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Shall do. cheers, –xeno (talk) 22:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Madhukar (author) deleted

Hello, the article Madhukar (author) was deleted some days ago because of the references. So I wrote a new one with references and third party sources, but i was immidiately deleted again. For now i don´t understand why. Of course, the new article was based on the old one, but I added lots of new aspects and footnotes to make it more clear and transparent. Should i have discussed the new article at the disussion page first? Is this the reason for the speed deletion? Concerning the content and the notability of the article, i can´t see any reason. So I´m really thankful for your advice and your help and I m looking forwards to your response. Syb (talk) 22:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Syb, see the above discussion. We're going to put the article into your userspace to allow you to work with it, massage it, find some more reliable and appropriate sources and then we can see if it can be moved back into the mainspace. –xeno (talk) 22:23, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Madhukar, take 2

A4T, can you take a look at the improved and hopefully more reliably sourced article at User:Syb and tell me your thoughts as to its re-integration into the mainspace? –xeno (talk) 14:46, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your note, and I appreciate your courtesy in asking me to take a look at the article. I would certainly have no problem with its re-mounting, but I want to mention that, specifically, references 6 and 7 seem to me to be original research by synthesis. They seem to be what I call "oak tree" references -- "I shot a bear while I was standing by an oak tree and, if you don't believe me, I'll show you the oak tree." In other words, the citations are certainly valid with respect to their authors' works but the connection to the topic of the article just about has to be original research by synthesis -- UNLESS those references specifically mention Madhukar, and I can only say that the context and title don't seem to indicate that that is the case. I apologize if this seems fussy -- the rest of the article looks just fine, and I can see that a lot of work has gone into this. I certainly don't need any further comments regardless of how you choose to proceed. Accounting4Taste:talk 14:54, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
No doubt, and those references were there when I userfied it. What about the new refs that were added? Are they sufficient to establishing notability? (I ask because I presume you speak German but I could be mistaken) –xeno (talk) 15:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
I can't say I "speak" it -- I lived there for a few years and can fake my way through, but enough to understand citations, I think. That's why I was happy to see the references that, to my mind, establish notability; I am fairly sure I'm familiar with the television stations, etc., and they are all for real and useful. This article is good enough for me, with or without nos. 6 and 7. Accounting4Taste:talk 15:09, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I'll go ahead and move it back into the mainspace and restore the deleted edits for proper GFDL attribution. No prejudice to a future AFD if someone still think he's not notable. cheers. Actually, i just remembered this was already AFD'd before. Does it need to go thru DRV or can it just be recreated with the new refs? –xeno (talk) 15:10, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Gee, "need" ... I would probably submit it there just to be on the safe side, because I know from bitter experience that people tag articles as "recreated after an AfD" and they get deleted without any a lot of consideration. Not even explanatory notes on the talk page will get past eager taggers/deleters, I have found (and I have to confess, I've been both those things, although I hope I've learned from my previous mistakes). I certainly tell editors that that DRV is the way to go if they try to recreate AfD'd material, although mostly it's because they try to repost exactly the same stuff that was just AfD'd. What you might do is re-mount it and see if it hangs around (marking it as "examined" would help) and, if it doesn't make it past eager taggers, go to DRV -- and let me know if/when you do that, so I can comment, please. And in case no one else has thanked you for your efforts here, let me do that. It's always great when Wikipedia gets a useful article where there was likely to be nothing, and I think this is pretty much due to your efforts. Take a bow. Accounting4Taste:talk 15:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
(blushing) thanks ... =) I think I'll just re-mount it. It's been 2 months, DRV would be kinda stale and the new article seemingly addresses the reasons for deletion. –xeno (talk) 15:25, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


I HAVE MADE REVISON TO MY PAGE AND WOULD LIKE YOU TO CHECK IT OUT ON MY USER PAGE SKATE1234 I ALSO HAVE IT ON —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skate1234 (talkcontribs) 16:19, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I've had a look, as you asked. Before you read this, you might want to have a look at WP:MUSIC because I'll be referring to it (and you should have too). None of the five references at the bottom are any good in Wikipedia's terms because they cannot be demonstrated to be from expert sources. They're either blogs, which don't meet the reliable sources criterion, or they're places where bands mount self-promotional material, which are useless as a Wikipedia source. The only conceivable reason that the band might -- *MIGHT BARELY* -- qualify is because of the touring dates I read. This seems as though it could have been a "national tour", although I'm not certain; there's a lack of "filler", it seems to me. But, frankly, because of the lack of useable references it is very unlikely that the article would be allowed to remain for as long as a single day. I very much doubt that the article I read would pass deletion review and I would advise you not to submit it. I can understand that you find this process very frustrating, and frankly I'm not sure why you are so anxious to have the band included in Wikipedia -- it seems as though we don't document the kind of notability that the band asserts, and it seems unlikely that many of the band's potential fans would be hard-core Wikipedia users. I can't say that I should discourage you completely, but have you thought that your promotional efforts might be put to better use in other locations that have less stringent standards for acceptance, and that more of the band's fans are likely to see? I should also say that I've been wrong before about Wikipedia's standards, and if you think I am, well, roll the dice and submit the article to deletion review... I just can't believe it will pass, that's all. Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but I think it's better to be honest than have you frustrated again by the immediate deletion of your article for the nth time. Accounting4Taste:talk 17:05, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Please re-review?

Hi there, I wrote an article about SomaTone Interactive Audio yesterday that got speedily deleted. I'm pretty sure this is notable content. Would you mind reviewing it again and reconsidering?

This is my first time writing for Wikipedia and I didn't realize I needed to put it all down at once. There's a lot of notable content on this company that I didn't add yet because I thought I could edit in additions over time. This company composes music for videogames, all that are listed on Wikipedia already. They also developed and invented an audio engine used for PCs, MACs, and IPhone.

I'm not sure what is considered verifiable resources but here's a few publications on SomaTone Interactive Audio. They have a lot.;34,2036,372.html

Thank you.

Somatone (talk) 21:15, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I had a quick look at these references and they seem valid. I'm sorry that you've run up against our process for handling new pages, which can be very daunting for the new user, but I'll see if I can make your life a little easier from now on. The way that users frequently work on pages, in order to avoid situations like this, is by creating a "sandbox" page. I've created one for you at User:Somatone/Sandbox that contains the material that was deleted as well as the above list of references. (Just click on the link in the preceding sentence to get to the sandbox page.) Please have a look at WP:Your first article and WP:Why was my article deleted?, which should give you some very useful insights into how to move forward. Also, I'm going to have a look at your talk page, leave you a note there and, if you don't have our standard "welcome" message, I'll leave that too -- it contains some really useful links to many basic Wikipedia policies and how-tos. If there's something else with which I can assist you, just leave me a note or follow the instructions in the welcome message about how to access people who will help you. I hope that you find us more welcoming than you have done, and I think if you ask for help from any Wikipedian, they will bend over backwards to help you through difficulties. Accounting4Taste:talk 21:37, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so much!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Somatone (talkcontribs) 21:53, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


you had deleted the TechCrunch50 wiki page since it was blatant advertising. TechCrunch50 is an event just like E3; I am no way affiliated with TechCrunch. I did not have a chance to complete the article yet; was planning on doing so this weekend. I plan on recreating the page.

Harsh5235 (talk) 06:59, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, no, actually the person who tagged the page -- twice -- tagged it as advertising, but to be precise I deleted it because it neither asserted or contained any notability. You may want to address both those concepts if and when you recreate the page, just in case someone else tags/deletes it. Accounting4Taste:talk 17:59, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

RE: Your message

Check you mail; I hear your royalty check coming down the street. ;-) Seriously, I'll give it a listen. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 17:42, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Not free in iTunes. :-( - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 17:44, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Sorry about that. If Limewire is legal to use where you are, that's where I found my free copy. And as they say, "no relation" LOL. Accounting4Taste:talk 17:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Dental lab

You just speedily deleted this article as I was in the process of removing the promotional parts of it and adding references. Please hold off a few minutes so I can undelete the article and complete the process. I discussed this on the talk page. Thanks. Edison (talk) 18:24, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, now please take a look. Edison (talk) 19:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Please reconsider reinstating the page concerning Garth Barton. There are several references to the Oconee Outreach Opportunity. Unfortunately they are not on the web. They are in places like the local newspaper of Sandersville, GA called the Sandersville Progess. It was also featured on the local CBS television station (WMAZ) in Macon, GA.

Thegeorgiareverend (talk) 14:17, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

According to your note, you seem to be suggesting that the "Oconee Outreach Opportunity" has notability, but that doesn't say anything about "Garth Barton". The references you cite don't seem to suggest to me that the "Oconee Outreach Opportunity" is notable either, but I think you should be clear about what it is that you're trying to assert. If there's some sort of national-level attention from the media, that would be much more worthwhile in the process of asserting notability. May I suggest that you read our notability guidelines and perhaps WP:Why was my article deleted? Accounting4Taste:talk 16:06, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Media franchises

Dear Accounting4Taste...If you are still interested in participating in WikiProject Media franchises, please remove your name from the inactive participants list and add it to the active participants list. If you don't have time, but would still like to show some support, you can always add yourself to the sympathizers list. It would be wonderful to see you in the project. Have a nice day! - LA (T) 19:40, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Speedy speedy

My Watchlist:

  • "(Deletion log); 15:43 . . Accounting4Taste (Talk | contribs) deleted "Till I Collapse" (G4: Recreation of a page which was deleted per a deletion discussion: Recreation of deleted material (CSD G4))"
Damn you are fast. Thanks for that. Do U(knome)? yes...|or no 21:47, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry to say that I can't really take credit for being fast -- I actually pick names from the list of tagged articles at random, and I guess this one caught my eye immediately after it went up. I will take credit for being a fast reader when I checked to ensure that it was indeed G4. But thanks for noticing, even if I can't really be proud of myself! LOL Accounting4Taste:talk 21:49, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

What You Ought To Know

This page was recreated with no changes right after you speedied it. Beeblbrox (talk) 20:10, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

J.R. Rodriguez

I'm afraid I've declined the speedy. But please see my edit summary - AfD may be a good way forward. --Dweller (talk) 23:12, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

In fact, I've done it. --Dweller (talk) 23:19, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
No need to be afraid -- that's the reason why I tend not to tag 'em and then delete 'em, because my judgments have been known to be incorrect. Thank you for your courtesy in informing me, and for your extra trouble in taking the article to AfD. I'll see what I can add to that process. Accounting4Taste:talk 23:41, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Please delete "Brenelz Web Solutions"

I was using Twinkle to put a CSD notice on Brenelz Web Solutions when you speedily deleted it (and rightly so). Wikipedia seems to have got a bit confused, so please re-delete ASAP. Thank you. -- Scjessey (talk) 17:15, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I think that does it -- let me know if there's anything further on this, and thanks for your trouble in letting me know. I'll "watch this page". Accounting4Taste:talk 17:19, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Permission to create Wiki Websiste

Hello, I saw that you deleted the page due to directly copied content from the website. I would just like to say that the Mobilize team has been working on this issue and we have come up with a new Wikipedia entry that will draw from many more sources and will include self-created information. Fersaltiel (talk) 19:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I believe you're labouring under a slight misapprehension. I deleted the page in question because it had been tagged as non-notable web content (probably due to the fact that there were no reliable sources or assertion of notability), but some of the five previous deletions by other administrators were because of violations of Wikipedia's copyright policy. You should be aware that, after six deletions, you're dangerously close to having this topic barred from further recreation; please proceed very carefully in full accordance with the relevant policies. If you have any questions about Wikipedia policy, feel free to leave me a note. Accounting4Taste:talk 20:14, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, so if I understood correctly in order to create the Wiki page I would have to find reliable sources citing the information, instead of using the Mobilize website? Does every piece of information need a link or can it just be complied information edited by the Mobilize staff? And the last question is when the page will be available so that I can update it. Thanks a lot for your help! Fersaltiel (talk) 20:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

There are definitely some parts of this I don't understand, but I'll try to help where I can. Yes, you have to find reliable sources citing the information, and citing the Mobilize website is not only useless but counterproductive. Having the article "edited by the Mobilize staff" is pretty much directly against our conflict of interest policy; if this topic is truly notable, someone not connected with the organization will be moved to write the article. However, if you are determined to create this, please be VERY sure you understand the conflict of interest policy and the neutral point of view guidelines. Every piece of information needs a link; that's part of the crucial policy of verifiability here. And finally comes the bit that doesn't make sense to me -- "when will the ... page be available so that I can update it"? The only person here who is interested in making this page "available" seems to be you. Are you asking to have the deleted material returned to you so that you can post it again, in violation of our copyright policy? Bad idea. If you want to make the page "available", write it according to our guidelines and post it. And, again, since this will be the seventh time that this article has been posted, please make sure that it follows all our policies as best you can (I think I'm wasting my breath advising you of the conflict of interest policy, but believe me, the rest are pretty much mandatory). An administrator who sees the dismal record of this article will definitely consider making it impossible for an article to ever exist under this title, without extraordinary circumstances occurring. Frankly, I think you'd be better off to wait until a neutral party was moved to create an article, but since you weren't paying attention to our policies the last six times, I suppose it's futile to suggest that now. However, I strongly recommend you read WP:Your first article and WP:Why was my article deleted? before going any further. Best of luck. Accounting4Taste:talk 20:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Speedy delete two for one?

I just noticed you just speedily deleted Offset Paperback Mfrs., Inc.. Might I point your attention to Pocono Academy Systems which was posted by the same editor, Fazul who lists ownership of the former company, and employment with the latter on their user page. In both cases, these articles appear to be clear cut G11 violations (I prompt, you decide). In the Pocono Academy Systems talk page the editor actually asked, How is this article any different from Offset Paperback Mfrs., Inc. which has not been flagged? to which I posted a thanks for giving me the heads up.

As an aside, the same editor blanked my user page which I assumed, in good faith, to be inadvertent. --Quartermaster (talk) 15:04, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

FYI, Editor Fazul has apologized for inadvertent page blanking. --Quartermaster (talk) 15:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads-up. Let me know if there's something that you want me to look at with respect to these pages in the future. Accounting4Taste:talk 16:33, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Speedy delete for Bio-Circle

I am a first time contributor and I think you speedy deleted and protected my contribution on the Bio-Circle before I could finish it. First, is there a way to create a page over the course of a few days, or do I have to do it in one go? Secondly, could you unprotect the topic Bio-Circle? It is notable, I have the necessary resources (I didn't have a chance to finish writing the article), and it is interesting (I think it is interesting at least). I look forward to your help Says Simple Simon (talk) 03:49, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. No, I didn't delete your contribution or protect the page against recreation -- I only tagged it as being spam, which I thought it was and, upon re-reading, see no reason to change my opinion. As per the note from another editor on your talk page, the way to work on a page over several days is to do it in a sandbox page and (probably against my better judgment) I have created the sandbox page linked from your talk page and put the deleted material into it. Apparently you are the only person who thinks this topic is notable, there are more than a handful of experienced editors and administrators who think otherwise, and I frankly cannot see any possible way in which this topic can be dealt with that would make it anything but advertising, but I have restored the material for whatever use you can make of it. My only suggestion would be to try to create a generic article about parts washing that discusses this process as one of the multiple ways that parts can be washed. Finally, no, my policy is to not unprotect pages that another administrator has protected unless there is a good reason to do so, which there is not, and unless I have obtained that administrator's permission first, which I don't intend to ask for. It was protected by User:JzG and I concur with that decision. If you want to take this topic to WP:Deletion review after working on the article until you have added whatever you think will make it complete and notable, that would be the way to go -- you can refer people to the sandbox page just as easily. If you have any further questions, you can leave me a note. Accounting4Taste:talk 14:29, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your help and your in depth response. I have followed your and JzG's advice to 1) contribute about other topics that can't be construed as advertising and gain experience writing wiki articles 2) begin creating entries in a sandbox before submitting them 3) ask for someone to review my work at the end. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Says Simple Simon (talkcontribs) 19:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Crystal Mapping delete status (

Hi I may have respoded incorrectely to the wrong person earlier so her is the conversation so far.

Crystal Mapping Deletion status

Hello Jonathan.

I can see why you thought crystal mapping unworthy of an entry. All I can say is that I'm doing this in good faith but I'm not sure how to proceed vis a vis the 'promotion' issue and some of the other problems. You're right I am the author of the only citation - will it help if I cite someone else's article about the subject. Also re crystallography and google counts - how do I get round that? The two things are entirely different?

The background to the term and the subject is that crystal mapping is similar to concept mapping and mind mapping and a number of other such tools and processes but is distinctly different in the way it handles the subject and thus is a new method in its own right. The key to crystal mapping is the fact that it is based on a circle thus representing unity. I have a number of academics who would verify the uniqueness of the idea and process.

This is not a spam / spurious idea of any sort and it is a genuine belief on my part and of others that crystal mapping is a new method and process and the intention is to get it increasingly recognised as such.

Also I note that a brand of mind mapping software Mind Manager has a listing. Could I copy the way this has been listed for Crystal Mapping (i.e. as a branded product in the general area of mind mapping / concept mapping)as a start?

Thsnka in anticipation of your comments —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark wogan (talk • contribs) 19:03, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

It seems to be a neologism being promoted here. Jonathan talk - contribs - review me! 19:16, 13 August 2008 (UTC) [edit] Crystal Mapping Deletion status You are possibly right that it is a neologism - but thats a problem I'll have to deal with in a much more general sense than wiki entry. What if I use the term Crystal Map - would that cover off the neologism? I still can't figure how I can not promote the idea by entering it into wikipedia. Mind mapping promotes mind mapping and same for concept mapping? And surely mind manager is promting mind manager - thats advertising isnt it. I'm not trying here to sling any mud but i just dont know how else to make my case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark wogan (talk • contribs) 19:21, 13 August 2008 (UTC) Mark wogan (talk) 19:39, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. Most of what you need to hear from me/us is covered at WP:NEOLOGISM which states, among other things, "Articles on protologisms are almost always deleted as these articles are often created in an attempt to use Wikipedia to increase usage of the term." That's my rough guess at what's going on here. The crystallography term has many independent third-party citations and seems to be a recognized term within that scientific discipline. Yours was recently invented by you, and seems only to be used by you, and that's the difference. When the phrase gains widespread usage in mainstream media to refer to the process -- and not to the branded product or the book associated with it -- then someone other than yourself will doubtless be moved to create a Wikipedia article about it. Until that time, you might want to look into Wiktionary, which has less stringent qualifications for its neologistic entries. By the way, "X has an article so my article about Y should be allowed" is not accepted around here as a valid argument -- see the page at WP:WAX for a detailed explanation of why that is so. In the meantime, the most valuable thing you can do to make any points on Wikipedia policy that may be of use to you is not here, but at the deletion discussion that you can access by the link within the box at the top of the article; only arguments found in that area will be considered when the closing administrator decides the fate of the article. If you have any questions with which I can be of further assistance, feel free to leave me a note. Accounting4Taste:talk 20:05, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


How is the Bachman's article not notable and why did you have to do a speedy delete rather than allow for discussion? This article is about a company who has been in business for over 100 years, has a large presence in the Twin Cities, MN, and just recently lost a CEO to murder in China. This seems much more notable than articles about Menards or Cabela's or many other businesses which have articles. This is about the history of the company, not an advertisement. Please defend yourself or restore the article. --Gnosbush (talk) 19:25, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Apparently you missed the note I left you yesterday, which I will reproduce here for your convenience: "I wanted to explain that I nominated this article because it didn't seem to contain or assert any notability for the company itself, per se, and because it seemed to be a coatrack for material about the death of the company's principal. This, although sad and regrettable, doesn't seem to confer sufficient personal notablity to the individual to bolster an article about him. I welcome your comments, if any. Accounting4Taste:talk 18:07, 13 August 2008 (UTC)". I'm going to assume that the above represents your comments on this; my own opinions are still what I stated above. Have a great day! Accounting4Taste:talk 20:13, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
P.S.: I merely tagged the article as noted above, I didn't actually delete it. If you want to take it up with User:Chrislk02, who apparently agreed with me, feel free. Accounting4Taste:talk 21:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Message from WikiProject Media franchises unofficial coordinator

Dear Accounting4Taste...I am so happy that you are willing to help WikiProject Media franchises. I am still reaching out to other WikiProjects to see if we can get some more interest, so I would like to depend on you and the others to do things like get articles assessed and find other articles which might need our attention by placing {{WikiProject Media franchises}} on their talk pages. Another thing is to start using {{Infobox Media franchises}} on franchise articles. I trust you to use your best judgment and hope that you have some time to spare.

If you haven't already done so, you can add {{User WikiProject Media franchises}} to your user page or dedicated user box page. When enough people have that, or WikiProject Media franchises participants on the user pages, I will start that category.

I may not be the best coordinator around, but I am doing my best. I hope that you approve. LA (If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page.) @ 19:55, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Re Bora Turan

Just to let you know, there is no supporting evidence from google to suggest that this guy was ever notable. This is unless there is a serious spelling error. Before nominating it for speedy I checked with google, and the full name (Bora Mehmet Turan) gets just two hits, one of which is Wikipedia, and "Bora Turan" with "president" gets 13 unique hits. -- roleplayer 21:31, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

PS president of Turkey between 1993 and 2000 was Süleyman Demirel. -- roleplayer 21:33, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
(edit conflict)

We were leaving each other simultaneous notes -- yours is more useful than mine, to be sure. I clicked on the tag within the body of the article and Wikipedia itself says you're right, which is good enough for me. I'm deleting it as a hoax, and thanks for your courtesy and your trouble. Accounting4Taste:talk 21:34, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Roderigo Possebon

I just created this article and then realised that it had been deleted as Rodrigo Possebon (with no e) at an AfD that you closed but he has now played a league game for Manchester United so now passes WP:N. Can you unlock the "no e" version and ove my article please. regards--Vintagekits (talk) 16:35, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

MGHeasley / Fighting Fitness

I have received your e-mail but have had no success in identifying either you or the page to which you're referring. If there's something you want done, you're going to have to give me more information to track the material. Accounting4Taste:talk 20:20, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

I've tracked you down to User:Fighting Fitness and left you a note on your talk page with plenty of references. Accounting4Taste:talk 20:38, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Muhammad Emin Er

It has to have reliable sources, regardless of whether they're in Arabic or not. You might contact an Arabic contributor for help. Corvus cornixtalk 22:57, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

About Deletion review

Hi there. Hope you remember me and my , and if you don't i'll post it here our last discusion :

"Need some help and a assistance- Hi there. Don't know if you remember but few months ago we talk for few times and i asked you to help me in resolving a problem with an article about a band that is notable but from some reasons there were some users who thought that the article should be deleted. I renew the article which is now on my user page User:Drokstef/Sandbox and i think that now it has all the reasons to stay up and it's a very notable article which deserve to be reback in his own place. That i should ask you to help me with the deletion review process, because i'm a novice in this kind of stuff and i don't how should i proceed in a deletion review process. I would really appreciate your help. Many thanks Drokstef (talk) 21:54, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your note, and my apologies for the delay: I've been away from home and without Internet access. I have never nominated an article for deletion review before, but I'm prepared to do it as you request. I've read the instructions and it tells me that the first thing to do is to discuss the matter with the deleting administrator, so I'm going to do that -- I'll keep you informed as I proceed. I should also say that based on what I see, it might actually be NOT a good thing for you to comment to the extent that you did in the original AfD process. I believe the article now meets WP:MUSIC and by simply pointing that out, and following the instructions, I can give the article a fair shot at being allowed to be reposted. You are, of course, free to do what you like; that's just my impression of what the best course of action would be, and as I said above, I've never done this before. If you have any questions or comments, I'll be looking for them here; I will alert you on your talk page to this thread. Accounting4Taste:talk 02:24, 26 June 2008 (UTC)'"

And now, after 2 months, i remembered that you said, and i'm almost sure that you can help me with deletion review of the article from my page User:Drokstef/Sandbox, an article wich i think it's very notable and reliable. Hope you didn't forget me and you'll help me with some assistance. Thanks a lot for your help.Drokstef (talk) 21:23, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your note; I do remember. I'm not going to work on this immediately -- I'm multi-tasking at the moment -- but I expect to be able to approach this tomorrow evening, when I will have time to read and understand the complicated instructions. I looked back and found that I have never heard anything from the deleting administrator, so that step is over -- the next step is listing it. I looked at that, and the instructions are quite difficult -- I will need to read them and understand them before I go forward. However, I will go forward. Accounting4Taste:talk 22:36, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I really appreciate your help. Hope we won't have troubles with bringing back this article.Drokstef (talk) 17:31, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Ice Blues

Well, I'll certainly take your word for it (I missed the comments on the talk page). It would be great if you could add a reference for it, though, and update the article accordingly. PC78 (talk) 23:19, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Media Franchise Article Tagging

Hey Accounting4Taste, I was just going through various articles that needed assessments and noticed that you have been tagging a few articles for media franchises. I have kinda taken on the task of assessing articles lately for that project and would reeeeeeeeally appreciate it if when adding the tag that you would consider assessing the article at the same time. If not, no big deal, I'll eventually get around to adding assessments, but if you are willing to it would be a huge help to me personally if you would add the class and importance parameters for the {{WikiProject Media franchises}} tag. -Sykko-(talk to me) 01:52, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


No worries if you assess it one way and others dissagree, the other person can always change it later. Thanks for your help! -Sykko-(talk to me) 15:33, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Bailey Reed


Had the article I wrote deleted titled - - Yes, i did check why (A7 - Speedy deletion etc) but this still doesnt fully explain the reasons to me. It was written in similar format to others on here and to my knowledge, was factualy correct (if it wasnt im sure others would edit).

Anyways.......looking to have undeleted if possible, or at least given a few pointers for re-submission.


(Choppergray (talk) 14:14, 19 August 2008 (UTC))

Thanks for your note. The article in question, which I've just re-read, had two large problems that are the reasons I'm going to decline the opportunity to undelete this article. First, I believe this individual's career, as stated, doesn't come close to meeting the guidelines for the notability of performers (my memory has failed me as to the exact policy reference, but you can find it by reading the notability policy and tracing the specific discussion of the notability of people, then specifically for performers). The second reason is that, although no one disbelieves what you said (at least, I don't), there was no proof to back up what you said, and that is absolutely required. Essentially what would be needed is verifiable references in books, magazines, etc. (not websites or forums, generally) written by independent third-party arm's-length experts that both verify this individual's appearances as stated AND assert that they were performed in a notable way. So, in general, reviews in newspapers and magazines written by experts in the field that state that Mr. Reed was an exceptional performer in some respect. I hope this is the information you were looking for. As well as the links in this paragraph, you might also find WP:Why was my article deleted? and WP:Your first article to be useful and, if you have any further questions about Wikipedia policy, feel free to leave me a note. Accounting4Taste:talk 16:59, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
The reference I was trying to remember is WP:ENTERTAINER. Accounting4Taste:talk 17:01, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Small Clarification

About the deleted article "Split-o-logy"... It seemed to me to fit the general idea of WP:CSD for deletion, but I just couldn't settle on which category was appropriate. I saw that eventually, it was deleted as advertisement. It makes sense to me, but technically, it wasn't a product. I'm very new to new page patrolling, so I was hoping you could tell me if that's a good rule of thumb for articles like that. I was thinking ideally, the main problem with it was a lack of notability, but that doesn't seem to be CSD material. Unforgiven24 (talk) 15:20, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I have to confess that I'm a little bit conflicted about that specific article. Like you, it seemed to me to fit the general idea of speedy deletion, and like you, it was difficult for me to work out where it fit. However, it's my understanding that self-promotion is spam too, and this individual was saying that he's a freelance writer who had invented a new kind of ... orthography, I suppose is the best way of describing it. So I assessed the situation such that his new orthography was his product and he was promoting it as part of his business of freelance writing. It was an intellectual product, but other than that it didn't seem to me to have much difference from an article where someone has invented a new widget and wants to promote it to increase its sales. I admit that it was a rather precise and logic-chopping judgment call but if it had come back, I wouldn't have speedied it again but probably would have taken it to AfD to let the community have a say and, since it had no references or sources, it would almost certainly have failed. Incidentally, there is a policy at WP:SNOWBALL that has SOME bearing, but I try to not use that one as a justification for deletion under any circumstances. Thanks for your question; if there's something further, I'm at your service. Accounting4Taste:talk 15:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

MODELOGUES Page No Deletion Request

Hi, I'm working on a couple pages right now and would like to request for them not to be deleted yet. I'm new to wikipedia and I also am working full time right now producing The Amazing Race. I can only edit these things in small moments of time I get during the day. I can understand that at first they are lacking references and some other vital things needed to be included, however, I will add them. I did post a page on myself although many people had asked to write one for me. I guess you can call me a control freak and I wanted to write it myself. I know this is frowned upon it's just I'm a perfectionist. I'm a writer, producer, and director in Hollywood. I have published a play and currently develop shows for CBS while doing the race. Please just give me some time to build it. And any suggestions would be highly appreciated. Thank you. Sarahhappel (talk) 23:24, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


Hello "Accounting4Taste", it seems you have deleted the page that I worked very hard on, entitled "Zojiroism." I am not entirely sure as to why this page was deleted, as it is a real religion and extremely few besides its followers know of it. I felt that I had to enlighten the public on this subject, as it is not well known, but in any case is a religion well versed in literature and symbolism. I don't mean to sound rude, but deleting a page just moments after it was created seems a bit ignorant, almost as if it was not read at all. If I could be given a good reason as to why this page which I worked very hard on was deleted, I would be most grateful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Clnbxly1867 (talkcontribs) 01:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I certainly read the page in question, and I'll tell you the reasons why I deleted it. First of all, two different editors tagged the page for deletion and two different administrators, one of whom was me, deleted it. The reasons for those actions varied, depending on the specific assessment of each individual, but collectively there were at least four different reasons for the article's deletion. The article's topic was assessed as being non-notable, and at least one editor thought it was either a hoax or untrue. In any case, regardless of those assertions, it certainly was unproven and [[WP:|univerifiable]] and that's why I deleted it -- you'll have to take up the other deletion with the other administrator who deleted its re-posting a little while later. You hadn't offered any proof that what you say is true, let alone that it is thought to be true by any reliable sources other than yourself. It is precisely because it is "not well known" and "extremely few besides its followers know of it" that it was deleted. Wikipedia is not a collection of indiscriminate information -- the topics of articles here are well-known to large segments of the public through coverage in the media, among other reasons. If you'd like to publicize your unknown religion, regardless of its merit, Wikipedia is not the place to do that. Wait until this concept gains more widespread acceptance that can be documented in independent third-party expert sources before trying to remake this article. If you have any further questions about Wikipedia policy, feel free to leave me a note. Accounting4Taste:talk 16:35, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Gwinnett Medical Center

Hey! I was just trying to build a page about our local hospital here (in Gwinnett County). It's pretty much the only one here, and they're in the news a lot about the open heart program they're trying to bring. I've viewed Wikipedia a lot for info, but this is my first time using it. Can you tell me what I need to do to make this page valid? Itemstart (talk) 18:23, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. My assessment of the page in question was that it didn't have sufficient notability to be the subject of an article in Wikipedia, since in my assessment it was an institution of entirely local interest and didn't seem to me to meet the relevant guidelines. However, User:EdJohnston disagreed with me; perhaps he has found some notability that I was unable to discern and possibly because I'm not intimately familiar with the American medical system. I would recommend that you ask User:EdJohnston for his comments. Accounting4Taste:talk 20:28, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

It's a newb thing, I know, but I went to User:EdJohnston's talk page and couldn't figure out how to leave a comment. This hospital is the community hospital for more than 1 million Georgians and is in the news because of it struggle to bring an open heart program to NE Atlanta. That's why I believe it's applicable to have on Wikipedia. Itemstart (talk) 19:53, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Not a problem, and I apologize if I've seemed less than welcoming to a newcomer. There are two ways to leave a note on someone's talk page -- either "Edit this page" or "post a comment", I believe the button says. For the other matter, I don't think you currently have to worry about the article being deleted; I intend to take no further action in that direction, since the other user seemed to have a good reason for disagreeing with my suggestion, and I doubt other editors will either. What would be good to add, though, is references to it being "in the news". If you can provide citations as to exactly when articles about the hospital appeared in a newspaper or magazine, as precisely and thoroughly as possible so that they can be checked by others if need be, that would be an excellent way to bolster the article. For more information, you can look at the reliable sources policy and, if you need further help, you can leave me a note. Accounting4Taste:talk 23:47, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar.png The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
For not deleting something I proposed for deletion and finding a kinder solution

ϢereSpielChequers 15:21, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for this -- barnstars are always a flattering accolade. May I ask what article it was, so I can know what kind of thing to do next time? Whatever happens, I'm pleased to have pleased you. Accounting4Taste:talk 16:11, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Duh, sorry, of course it was User:Evieg18 and her page about herself. I think credit here should go to the person who re-wrote the Template:db-person tag to suggest that admins who were going to delete on that basis should first check to see that it wasn't material that would qualify as appropriate for a user page. I found that very appropriate a couple of times yesterday, moving material from article space to user space before deleting the article space material, and thanks for noticing -- it made me feel a little better too. Accounting4Taste:talk 16:14, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi, hope you don't mind my changing the db-tag format, your talk page currently shows up as a candidate for speedy deletion. Have a good day/ Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 16:36, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks very much; I appreciate your noticing it and working out the same dumb mistake that I've made once before <sigh>. I'm leaving that tag where it is now, forever!! (I was moving it to the top of the page for convenience's sake and somehow must have damaged it.) I owe you one! Accounting4Taste:talk 16:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Camp Rock 2 Soundtrack

I'm willing to nom this to AfD on it being pure WP:Crystal. What say? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 23:09, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


A fair revision, thx. --Justindavila (talk) 20:29, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Sarah Palin's Pastor

Sarah Palin's Pastor is an expression referring to Ed Kalnins, pastor of the Wasilla Assembly of God church, which was attended by Sarah Palin for most of her life before she moved from Wasilla to assume the position of Governor of Alaska.

Although Kalnin is no longer Palin's current pastor, a large number of internet pages and television stories describe Kalnin using the expression "Sarah Palin's Pastor", without indicating that he is no longer her current pastor. These pages frequently do not disambiguate "the current pastor of Sarah Palin" from Kalnin, who is incorrectly called "Sarah Palin's Pastor".

Kalnin's controversial political statements delivered as part of his sermons recorded on video, coupled with Palin having being named the 2008 Republican Vice presidential Candidate, have caused "Sarah Palin's Pastor" to be often referred to, especially in light of the controvercy involving political statments made by Obama's former pastor, Revered Wright.





Please indicate why this page is not allowed. Have you read the recent (deleted) version with additional references? Also, why is no page allowed about Ed Kalnins? It was deleted after the original edcitor changed his mind and agreed that Kalnins was a notable person, after first objecting that he was not. Why can no link be made from the "Sarah Palins" page to "Wassily Assembly of God"?

Sarah Palin's Pastor

I am new to writing articles for Wikipedia. I am a mathematician, and since the expression "Sarah Palin's Pastor" does not refer to Sarah Palin's pastor, in mathematics it would merit a definition if it is to be used. The expression is all over cable news, but it took some reserch to find out who it referred to, what he said that was so contrroversial, and why.

I completely rewrote the article explaining this, yet you threatened to have me removed without explanation.

All of the facts about Kalnins remarkable sermon comments, with links to the actual sermons, have been deleted. Why?

More importantly, why does the link on the Sarah Palin Wikipedia page (which is not editable for some reason) for Wasilla Assembly of God, not go to the wikipedia page for Wasilla Assembly of God?

````Eric Diesel (this is my first signature, so I hope I did it correctly, four tildas and my name?0 —Preceding unsigned comment added by EricDiesel (talkcontribs) 00:24, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Ed Kalnins

There is a massive attempt to stop any Wikipedia information about the conttroversial remarks of Sarah Palin's Pastor (her former pastor) until the Republican Convention is over.

"You wrote but it may -- be that the only legitimate place to speak about Mr. Kalnins would be as a line in his parishioner's article". But Wikipedia is blocking anyone from making any changes to "his parishoner's article". Why? Why is it impossible to find out what the controversial quote of Ed Kalnins are. (Palin was nominated on the basis of her religous pretensions, and her pastor has linked and recorded sermons in which he says that half the country will not get into heaven for having voted for Kerry).

Why were these quotes deleted? I included specific and multiple links to videotapes viewable online that showed him saying these things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EricDiesel (talkcontribs) 00:52, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

I've looked at your talk page and I believe you've been answered on these issues by individuals who have quoted the policies that are being followed in this case. Personally, I don't believe Mr. Kalnins is notable. Our notability policy states that people are notable for things that they do but they do not take notability from people with whom they are associated -- at best, Mr. Kalnins' notability seems to me to be in connection with a single event. The notability policy works both ways -- I don't believe that Ms. Palin absorbs notability from her former pastor and there is little point in associating them, since it is impossible to demonstrate any causal relationship. My advice is, if you really feel this point is worth making, make it in a less rigorous forum than Wikipedia. Accounting4Taste:talk 16:14, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Sarah Palin's Pastor

I talked to a number of adminitrators, some of whom expressed concern of the growing complaints about deletions of information and links to Sarah Palin. This was suggested as a completely neutral way of disambiguating the expression. The pages for Larry Kroon had sources, but were deleted despite the hangon requests. Altohough these were my first three articles, pages and pages of messages and discussions are now posted about the politicisation of Wikipedia. I am a mathematician formerly at Stanford, now retired, and do not want to bother publishing in such a political environment of censorship, but I recieved numerous messages of encouragement and requests to attempt to keep the articles up. I know none of these people (I may know one, who identified himself as a mathematician in an area that I specialize in, but I would be guessing). I was asked not to quit. Someonw is looking up how to complain about articles being deleted with hangon requests.

- - Username WasillaAG (Wasilla Assembly of God) is the motivator for keeping quotes and sources off Wikipedia until the Republican Convention is over and the saought after bump is achieved.   

I followed all of the recommendations of the numerous editors and administrators who are now communicating with me, over three simple and short articles.

I have no way of knowing if you are a legitimate objective editor, or a partisan censor, but I have been accused of vandalism to many without any back up, and my article was deleted despite the hangon request.

"Sarah Palin's Pastor", whichever of the people this ambigous expression used in the news media, should be able to be disambiguated. If you can help so that it links to an option of choosing between the ambigous referats, please help me with this.

Please let me know how the following disambiguation of the expression "Sarah Palin's Pastor" can be kept up on Wikipedia until the political firestorm prohibiting links from the Sarah Palin page is over.

EricDiesel (talk) 18:46, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Since I'm not American, and haven't the slightest interest in the outcomes of your elections, etc., I think you can reasonably assume that I am a "legitimate objective editor". One principle that is usually honoured on Wikipedia is "assume good faith"; I recommend it to you. I have stated my reasons for my actions and backed them with references to what I felt the relevant passages of Wikipedia policy. Hangon tags are not some kind of magical protection against deletion for pages which don't qualify for continued inclusion here; you can find that out by reading the tag itself. As I believe I explained to you at great length in the not-too-recent past, the naming conventions we use here, that are designed to operate to make Wikipedia useful to its users would generally not allow the phrase "Sarah Palin's pastor" to be used as the title of an article. Information about the person who fulfills that role should only be found under the heading of that person's name, as I understand the relevant policy. Therefore, in answer to your question, I don't believe that what you want to have happen is a legitimate use of Wikipedia; I don't accept that the expression "Sarah Palin's Pastor" can usefully be employed as the title of an article, since it violates our naming conventions. You may suggest that this is in some sense a "special case" -- well, no, it's not. This happens all the time here, depending on what country is having elections such that its citizens and interested parties want to make political points. Wikipedia has resisted the temptation to bend its rules for partisan reasons and I expect it will continue to do so. My interest here is in preserving the common sense that underlies the naming conventions here, and in assessing articles that have been legitimately tagged for speedy deletion to see if they do indeed meet those criteria -- if they do, I delete them. I trust this clears up any confusion you may have had about my motivations, which I assure you are disinterested. Accounting4Taste:talk 18:56, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

You seem like such a rude and lonely person.

Thanks for sharing. You have a real nice day, now!! Accounting4Taste:talk 22:27, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Ed Kalnins

Thank you for your commments on my first Wikipedia article. I am a retired mathematician formerly at Stanford and am unfamiliar with Wikipedia's publication standards and would appreciate your assistance in helping me improve the article.

The article is now sourced by the Chicago Tribune and the New Jersey Times of Trenton, so I hope this resolves the source problem.

There is more discussion of the Palin pages on the Wikipedia:Notability policy page.

Notability is not transferable from entity to entity by mere existence of a relationship. However, being an acknowledged school, church, or teacher from which came controversial ideas for which a notable person has become notable does transfer notability.
The best example is a school of thought or teacher of a major historical thinker is notable. For example, paintings of Rembrandt' teacher are exhibited at the Getty next to Rembrandt, whereas otherwise they might not be exhibited at all. The paining is not of note, however upon reading why it is on the wall, it is of clear value in understanding the evolution of Rembrandt's innovative methods.

Palin’s quotes on the religeous basis of the Iraq War being identical in theological reasoning to reasoning coming from her church makes her church notable as the matrix from which such unusual reaoning comes.

I would be surprised if any historian or political scientist would not appreciate an encyclopedia article on the principal pastor or the church from which come a historical figure's controversial views, especially when these views are the basis of the person's being notable.

I will admit that I have an ideological concern abuot a vice president who thinks global warming is not caused by humans, that abstinence only sex education is empirically efficative, that intelligent design discussion has any place in a biology class discussion of evolution or molecular biology, or that God is backing one side in a war. Since I have an admitted bias against ideas like this, it is difficult for me to see from an objective perspecitve. The source of ideas like these antiscientific ideas is of importance and interest to me as a patriot, but I would think the source of such ideas would also be of interest to a scholar looking for an encyclopedia entry on the origin of Palin's ideas.

It is also difficult when the person who proposed the deletion of some of the articles is hunting down all the articles and writing comments like that I vandalized or "this is ludicrous" as an argument for deletion. (See deletion arguments for Wasilla Assembly of God, Larry Kroon, etc.

1. Please let me know what you think so I can correct the article.

2. Also, is it normal for so many people to have written so much about a deletion of an article? It appears that WasillaAG has become many people and is editing its own article on Wasilla Assembly of God, after failing to delete the information in the article.EricDiesel (talk) 01:13, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

1. I think you should let it go. Other than that, my opinion of this material in this place will not add anything to the discussion, and I suggest you discuss it in the relevant places. 2. Yes, actually it is. This is pretty much a consensus-based model. 2(a) If you suspect that someone is editing an article under multiple usernames, you can report that and action will be taken if warranted. I think the correct location might be the administrators' noticeboard, but a search for information under the term "sockpuppet" would be fruitful. Thanks for your note. Accounting4Taste:talk 16:14, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


No, I don't mind you following me along, I always find contributions useful. What's the Crime Task Force?

--6afraidof7 (talk) 18:41, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Crime Task Force

Thanks for the offer, the Crime Task Force seems very interesting and I'll definitely join, although my articles arne't exactly what you'd call professional.

--6afraidof7 (talk) 19:16, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


Burley isn't my favourite author, because to be honest, I'll read just about anything with a good murder and a dash of mystery in it. I did see the television series of Burley's novels and thought it was good, although not quite as riveting as the novels (no crime story adaptations ever are).

--6afraidof7 (talk) 20:06, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Queen and Starchy

I'm afraid I'm not very learned in internet jargon; what does GA and FA mean? BTW, in regards to the Donald Strachey link, I had no idea there were any LGBT detectives in literature, and I thought I knew everything about crime fiction, so thanks for enlightening me.

--6afraidof7 (talk) 20:23, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Lee Neville

Hi, I keep trying to recreate the page Lee Neville because it was nominated by someone who knows the subject of the article and has something personal against them and it seems has intended to vandalise it. I've attempted to comply with Wikipedia guidelines as much as I can, and I believe the article does comply. Please can you reinstate the page and/or let me know where I need to make corrections to comply with wikipedia guidelines, rather than simply having it be deleted without merit. Feel free to give it a thorough review and check every verifiable link. Thanks.

Thanks for your note. I don't believe the article was "deleted without merit" -- the subject of the article has already been through an articles for deletion (AfD) process, wherein the community assessed the notability of the topic and decided that the article should be deleted. (See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lee Neville for a record of this decision.) Once an article has been deleted through an AfD process, it is subject to immediate speedy deletion if there are not substantial changes/additions -- I checked, and in my opinion, not much had changed about the article. What I believe you should do is take the article to WP:Deletion review, which is the only way in which you'll be able to get past the hurdle of the previous AfD deletion for more than a few minutes. Speaking entirely personally, I haven't seen anything that would convince me that the article will pass deletion review, and thus you may be wasting your time, but it's yours to waste. Best of luck with the deletion review process. Accounting4Taste:talk 17:29, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


Does Wikipedia have an article about the detective writer John Lee Burke (I may have spelt it wrong, as the search engine doesn't come up with anything)?

--6afraidof7 (talk) 17:57, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

I think you may mean James Lee Burke. A brief glance tells me that the Dave Robicheaux novels seem covered, but there are some early scarce ones that would benefit from inclusion. If there's something I can do to help, let me know. Accounting4Taste:talk 17:59, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Rex Gauge Company


The page I created for our company (Rex Gauge) has been deleted. The page was not meant to be an advertisement - Please let me know what changes I need to make.

Thanks, Rexgauge —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rexgauge (talkcontribs) 21:14, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. As general background material, you may find WP:Your first article and WP:Why was my article deleted? to be useful reading. Specifically, you seem to be under the misapprehension that Wikipedia maintains articles about companies simply because they exist. This is a common misconception. Wikipedia asks that the subjects of its articles be notable -- "special", "unusual", "above the crowd" -- and that that notability should not merely be an assertion of the subject itself (in other words, you don't get to decide that you are notable) but should be the opinion of arm's-length third party expert sources, known here as reliable sources. So, someone (as many as possible) with expert knowledge in a book, magazine, etc., must have said that the company is special or unusual for some specific reason, and that opinion must be verifiable. None of those things were in the article I read. Most articles about companies fail to successfully navigate the twin policy barriers of notability and advertising; in addition, since your user name seems to link you to the company (you'll be asked to change that soon) I suggest you read our conflict of interest policy. If you have any further questions about Wikipedia policy, feel free to leave me a further note. Accounting4Taste:talk 23:51, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the info, I thought I had it wrong somehow. BTW, I hope you don't mind but I added a biography to the Frances Crane article. As everything I know about her comes from books in my collection, I haven't included any internet sources.

--6afraidof7 (talk) 21:10, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks -- um, "mind"? No, of course I don't mind ... we try to discourage "ownership" of articles, every article can be edited by everyone, so just accept my thanks for helping to improve articles!! I see that the biographical material seems to parallel that available from the Rue Morgue cite at the bottom of the Frances Crane article, but if you have cited books in your collection, perhaps you could give a citation for those? If you need help citing, let me know. (You can follow the Hubin cite at the bottom as a style model, I think -- I did that one, as I recall.) Accounting4Taste:talk 23:43, 9 September 2008 (UTC)


I wasn't aware there was a similar article on the internet, I just looked at a biography in the back of one of her books, pinpointed the major events and changed the wording slightly to avoid plagiarism. But if there's a website with the same information I may as well cite that (as long as I don't get sued for copywright).

--6afraidof7 (talk) 14:52, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't think you need worry. The external link is already at the bottom of the Frances Crane article, it's to a publication called Rue Morgue. It may well be that they did the same thing as you and merely used the information in the back of one of her books. At any rate, it seemed to me as though the material differed in wording and arrangement sufficiently as to not create a copyright problem, so I don't think you need to do anything further. You've also inspired me to dig up a couple of 1940s paperback editions of hers that I have filed away somewhere and scan the covers, which are wonderful pin-up art by an artist named Rudolph Belarski, so they can illustrate the article. Accounting4Taste:talk 17:37, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Customer centric selling

Thanks for sorting out the c&p move issues for this new user!

The article definitely started life spammy with a link to the Company with that name. The new user who created it got his head bitten off a bit but, to his credit, has come back with an article that to me at least is not spammy. I searched for the term and found it does appear to have some general use, so I've been trying to help the user out a bit.

Ros0709 (talk) 22:42, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your note, and it was no trouble to perform the requested move. I see this as a WP:COATRACK and as per a suggestion in an edit summary when the prod tag was declined, have taken this to AfD. If this is indeed a term in widespread use, I will be glad that Wikipedia gets a decent article out of it (in other words, I'm assuming good faith and bringing it myself). Accounting4Taste:talk 22:49, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! I think AfD was the right way forward. Ros0709 (talk) 22:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Roosevelt, New York

Regarding the anon who's edit on this page you tagged...look at his edit history. I think it's rather likely that he is a tendentious high schooler, and in any case, maybe you could block him? He has had enough warnings to warrant it. Carl.bunderson (talk) 22:15, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I certainly agree with you -- the recent edits are a particularly annoying form of vandalism, and very nearly edit warring -- all it's going to take is one more bad act. If you see one, please alert me (with a diff, if you can, but I'm now sufficiently familiar with what's going on that I'll find what I need when I need it). Thanks for bringing this to my attention, and thanks for your oversight on these articles. Accounting4Taste:talk 22:18, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


I try to fill out the template. It's important that the "Article" be exactly the title of the article so it will automatically link. What year were the Popular Library editions published? Pepso2 (talk) 22:52, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I see there is a page on Rudolph Belarski, but it obviously needs a lot of work. Pepso2 (talk) 22:57, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. I don't have the exact date of the PopLib editions at hand, but I will get that to you tonight. I didn't realize that someone had done a Belarski article -- the paperback stuff is correct, what little there is of it, but I had no idea that he was so prominent in the pulps. He was famous for coming as close as possible to the "line" in terms of the female breast -- some of his paperback covers are known as the "nipple" covers. And, yes, it needs a lot of work -- it seems to have been copied from something, as has been noted. I'm going to see if I have any reference material that will be useful. Accounting4Taste:talk 23:22, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Frances Crane

I simply adore the cover of The Pink Umbrella Murder you've put on the Frances Crane article, especially the cover models wonderfully melodramatic expression and the tagline: "Death strikes a lady made for love". It looks like one of those seedy paperbacks one usually finds on the top shelves of bookstores and newsagents, or perhaps a movie poster for an Alfred Hitchcock production. Why are the woman's nipples so prominently drawn? I think Crane's publisher may have intended on deceiving an altogether steamier readership into buying the novel...

--6afraidof7 (talk) 22:30, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

SPEC Youth Retreat Centre


I've just started on Wiki. How would you recommend the article is improved so as it to become a quality article. I can see that it is not yet to the same standard as others. Tallchris (talk) 22:07, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Need some assistance (reloaded:)

Hi there, hope to remember me and my article. Sorry if i bother you too much, but as we spoke few time ago, i'm still waiting your assistance, your help, your support. I know that you have more other stuff to do for improving WIkipedia, but i would be delighted to help me to resolve the issue with this article that i created long time ago... it's about the article that now it's on my user page User:Drokstef/Sandbox and i think that now it has all the reasons to stay up and it's a very notable article which deserve to be reback in his own place. This is why i want ask you to help me with the deletion review process, because i'm a novice in this kind of stuff and i don't know how should i proceed in a deletion review process. I would really appreciate your help. Many thanks Drokstef (talk) 16:23, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I am embarrassed to say that things have been so busy in my life over the last little while that your perfectly reasonable request slipped my mind; please accept my apologies. I haven't had time to spend much time on the wiki lately, but as soon as I can carve an hour out to approach this sensibly, I will do so. And I encourage you to keep at me about this until it is done. Accounting4Taste:talk 17:43, 17 September 2008 (UTC)


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I am awarding you this because you are an administrator. Thank you for all that you do. LAAFansign review 23:28, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Second Life

Greetings, I am sending you this request because (a) you have taken part in the discussion on the Second Life page recently and (b) I am not sure of the correct way to go about this and I am hoping that you, being an admin, will know. I think that the person posting on the SL talk page as the IP might be the user Jimmi Hugh. I don't know if this counts as sock puppetry or not, but, if it is him, he has chosen to edit using just his IP instead of his username since sources were cited that don't support his argument, and this seems a bit suspicious to me. I don't know how to determine this and/or what to do about it. I would appreciate your advice. Morgan Leigh | Talk 02:13, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

User:EmRitter: Advertising for "Lifestyle Communities"

User:EmRitter posted to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Business#Lifestyle_Communities:

"I am a Marketing Project Manager at "Lifestyle Communities". I have tried posting an article for Lifestyle Communities, but it has been deleted due to 'blatant advertising' and I believe conflict of interest."

EmRitter now has the content of deleted Lifestyle Communities in his/her user space at User:EmRitter/LC.
User:EmRitter apparently is not familiar with Wikipedia policies on advertising and proper use of user pages - Per WP:UP#NOT: "What may I not have on my user page? ... Advertising or promotion of a business or organization unrelated to Wikipedia (such as purely commercial sites or referral links)" -- or is aware of them and disregarding them.
-- (talk) 13:20, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


:(. Feel better soon, my friend. GlassCobra 20:22, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Best wishes. Pedro :  Chat  22:37, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Mark Kirk (convict)

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An article that you have been involved in editing, Mark Kirk (convict), has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Kirk (convict). Hope you're well. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? --Tikiwont (talk) 14:51, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Mary Chung's


You removed my page on "Mary Chung's", a restaraunt in Cambridge MA that has been a landmark for at least 20 years; two other articles refers to this establishment (Suanla_chaoshou, Gentleman_Gourmand) and when I noticed there was no page for it itself, I felt I did the right thing by creating one.

The New Page Patroller initially flagged it with a comment that was along the lines of (I'm *not* quoting, here) "this is tantamount to advertising and we don't have that here". I think it's fairly obvious that Wikipedia is full of articles regarding restaraunts and other retail outlets --- my retort to him/her was to ask "would you remove your article on the Brown Derby just because you can buy a burger there?"

But, more to the point (and the spirit of the whole thing), someone *else* had, before it was deleted, added several references to the article!

I urge you to do a quick Google search on "Mary Chung's" and "MIT" or "hackers". Also, I should point out the existence of the "" newsgroup that was created in the early 1990s. Please also see the following articles:

Please reconsider this page in light of the many other landmark-style businesses already here.


Joe Turner 781-706-3782

Coordinatezero (talk) 18:42, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Eric Koston

About a year ago you indicated Talk:Eric Koston that you wanted to work on improving the Eric Koston article. It does not appear that there have been any reliable sources added and a quick google news search did not reveal anything that I found would support WP:N for this individual. Do you have objections to prod or other deletion process at this time? -- The Red Pen of Doom 10:22, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


I think you'll be happy tp know that Eric Koston is quite likley safe from any future thought of deletion. Fun stuff! Best Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 03:45, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


I'm glad all is well with your good self and family, and my best wishes for a speedy recovery. All is well at my end ...I've not sold the kids into the slave trade just yet.... :) Pedro :  Chat  00:10, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Likewise here, things are fine. Best of luck with the surgery, feel better soon! GlassCobra 13:49, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Rob Landeros

The article about Rob Landeros had a lot of useful information and I don't think it should have been completely deleted. Rob Landeros is notable as one of the key people in making 7th Guest and 11th Hour, so if it was deleted because he is "unimportant" it should be undeleted. Even if the page wasn't writen well, it seems to me like some article on Rob Landeros would be better than none at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:58, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

  • The entire content of the page over its entire history was "This looks awsome", and it was quite rightly tagged for deletion more than a year ago. I think no article at all is better than that. If you feel like trying to create a page about this individual that will contain some relevant information, go for it. Accounting4Taste:talk 02:12, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

"Formal grammar"

The title of that page, as I explained on its talk page, is a little weird. Thuis, I renamed it, but in an effort to help, you undid the renaming, and now I can't redo it, not being an admin. Can you please take another look at it? Thanks. Rp (talk) 23:52, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

And now, for Fvasconcellos' traditional nonsectarian holiday greeting!

Adventsljusstake med tre brinnande ljus.JPG Wherever you are, and whether you're celebrating something or not, there is always a reason to spread the holiday spirit! So, may you have a great day, and may all your wishes be fulfilled in 2009! Fvasconcellos (t·c) 13:56, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Is this a combination of my Christmas greeting from 2006 and my New Year's greeting from last year? Why, it most certainly is! Hey, if it ain't broke...

Exopolitics AfD

Hi, I have shamelessly borrowed (with acknowledgement) your comment from a previous AfD. I hope you don't mind. Springnuts (talk) 17:37, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

So now Wikipedia, the bastard Frankenstein of online drivel and ignorance, gets to decide which people are significant and which are not? When wikipedia becomes judge of humanity it is a drak day for us all.

  • Sorry you're having a drak day. Thanks for sharing, though! Accounting4Taste:talk 23:46, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Clarkson Theatre Company

Hey! I'm the member that created the page for the Clarkson Theatre Company. I'm sure most of the reason you deleted it was it was very sparse - I was working on it before class and rushed out of my room without saving my further work. I know there aren't many sources about us, but most of my reseach comes from old articles of newspapers from Clarkson University, SUNY Potsdam, Potsdam, Canton, and St. Lawrence county in general, which I am reading by PDF. Other than that, we have some internet articles about us on these websites, and I've added those, but I have to look back through all the PDFs I have to cite the old articles (dating back to the 1920's) correctly. Let me know what else I can do to make the page better?

Thanks, Whenwilllove (talk) 01:49, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sobrietol

After your comment, I completely rewrote the article, and added reliable sources. I was wondering if you could review the new article to see if you still think it should be deleted. Thanks :) The Nordic Goddess Kristen Worship her 06:38, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I've commented in the AfD area, but I wanted to say that, even though I disagree with you, you have done some excellent work in bolstering the claims of this article. Possibly I have an instinctive bias that's coming into play here, because I strongly dislike "junk science", but it doesn't mean I don't recognize hard work when I see it. Well done. Accounting4Taste:talk 17:52, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Albatros of the Collège Notre-Dame - deleted article

First please excuse my english as i am not 100% english. I would like to ask you why my article was deleted. It is a hockey team of Midget AAA caliber that works in Rivière-du-Loup,QC and his one of the things Rivière-du-Loup's citizen are proud of. This team helps young player develop their abilities in hockey. It is the last step in befor the Junior League and the highest Midget level. I would really like to know why you deleted my article and what was the reason because I do not think it was random or out of subject. I created this page because the Albatros aleready have a page in french and i tought it would be a good idea to translate it in English. I would like to have the reasons clearly explained has I didn't understand everything in your page i read just read few minutes ago.

Here is a link to the deleted article Link

Here is also the link for the official site (altough its in french, sorry) Albatros CND

Thank you,

--Amelia0119 (talk) 15:57, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Kirby _(musician)

I am new to the process but will review the guidelines and source better.

Thanks for the heads up, boy you guys are quick. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KirbySings (talkcontribs) 23:33, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. If you need any help with finding the relevant policies, any administrator and almost every other editor will be happy to help you. (And, yes, we are fast -- we have to be, because Wikipedia is exposed hundreds of times a day to various lawsuits for libel and thousands of pages are added every day that don't meet our policies in one respect or another... if we weren't fast, we'd be inundated beyond any possibility of catching up. There are dozens of volunteers doing new page patrol every minute.) And if I can be of any further assistance, just click on the word "talk" after my signature and leave me a further note. Accounting4Taste:talk 23:47, 23 January 2009 (UTC)