User talk:Acroterion/Archive Q2 2012

Need Help with Smoke Hole West Virginia Article

Acroterion, I received some Wiki postings that the page on Smoke Hole, West Virginia may be challenged, I have provided a link to a pic of the Smoke Hole post office, as well as a listing in the WV Culture and History Place names. I also own a Smoke Hole West Virginia Postmark....It is a Ghost Town, WHAT Can I do to prove it was real??? There is little if any more documentation on this place. SHOUL I just place it under a Ghost town Heading in a template??? I have also started to add USGS GNIS data for all of the locations I am able to and have added. I see that this is a accepted reference. Does this solve the question?? Coal town guy (talk) 14:37, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I've removed the tags since you've referenced it. All towns are notable, of whatever size, and notability isn't temporary. Once a place has existed, it's eligible for coverage, whether it presently has a population or not. Acroterion (talk) 16:55, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Why revert my fix for the incorrect "Police Prostitution and Politics" link?

Hi Acroterion,

Regarding: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_P._Brosnahan

I'm wondering what I missed when I fixed this link: "INTIMATE PARTNER VIOLENCE BY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENTS- O.I.I.P.V.". Police Prostitution and Politics

fixing it from this (the same link '"Public deserves answers in cop crime"' link/citation below it):

http://bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view/20220228public_deserves_answers_in_cop_crime

to:

http://www.policeprostitutionandpolitics.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=92:cops-who-kill-their-spouses-girlfriends-children&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=50

The "police prostitution and politics" page does nothing but link to a lowellsun page that has been removed: http://www.lowellsun.com/ci_19516341.

Still, why revert my fix?

Thanks,

Silkybones

"Fixing" a link from the Boston Herald to an obviously partisan source isn't acceptable. In point of fact, the Boston Herald's editorials aren't acceptable sourcing either, now that I look at it, since op-ed rarely is, except to establish a statement of opinion. Does "policeprostitutionandpolitics.com" seem like an appropriate source for an encyclopedia article to you? Acroterion (talk) 17:51, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Disruptive Editing Accusations

Please refrain from all these accusations. I have hit 3RR, but my editing is not disruptive-it is necessary as the page has a biased viewpoint.--Rwenonah (talk) 21:57, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I disagree: you appear to be aggressively pursuing a particular point of view, having been warned and blocked for the same thing last year under another account. Acroterion (talk) 22:03, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

So do you and your friend, so I hardly think you can accuse me.--Rwenonah (talk) 20:25, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

About Shiraz

Dear Colleague,

Nayeb Dooghi and Heshmat Deraz are two famous and notable characters in Shiraz known to every one. Please leave them there.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.56.211.226 (talk) 16:30, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, no. If you continue you may have both your IP and named account blocked. Acroterion (talk) 16:45, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Ghost Towns and definitions

Hey There- I did indeed join the Ghiost Town WIKI Project, and there does not seem to be an agreed upon descriptor or category for towns that are blindingly obvious to be a Ghost town. Does a town that has ceased to physicaklkly exist qualify as a Ghost Town? Is there a Caegory I can add so that all Wiki folk agree, yup, thats a Ghost Town? Additionally, I have been extensively editing references for Wv coal towns, LOTS of work to do. Let me know how I can helpCoal town guy (talk) 16:46, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Claiming no particular consensus, my definition of a ghost town would be an uninhabited or nearly uninhabited settlement with some remaining structures. A place with no extant structures or just foundations would be more along the lines of an abandoned settlement, though others' mileage may vary. I'd suggest that a distinction be made in categorizing the places, as the former is still a townscape of some kind, while the latter is closer to an archeological site. Acroterion (talk) 16:51, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like there is still no specific category, and yes, I concur with your points, they are all valid. If I understand then, until there is a concensus, no viable categoires will be ready in the near futureCoal town guy (talk) 19:56, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, either you or I can be bold and create a category for "Abandoned settlements". Acroterion (talk) 20:25, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Can you tell me how to do that? I am a NEW Wikipedian, and it would be great to have a correct category like this. Many of the coal towns I have been updating, are abandoned and dis assembled and become new towns at a different location.VERY Interesting stuffCoal town guy (talk) 20:30, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Actually, there's already a category: Category:Former populated places in West Virginia, which should do nicely. You just insert [[Category:Former populated places in West Virginia]] at the very bottom of the page. If you look at the category you'll see that it's a subcategory of others, and on and up. Acroterion (talk) 20:38, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

A Most Excellent Idea!! Thanks very much!!Coal town guy (talk) 02:12, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Your message

Dear Colleague,

My edit is not violating wikipedia. Nayeb dooghi and Heshmat deraz are known to all Shirazi people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fact46 (talk • contribs) 16:54, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Then they should have articles about them that are sourced to major publications indicating notability. Since they do not, I'm forced to conclude that you're just trying to make a joke at Wikipedia's expense. Acroterion (talk) 17:08, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

PharmPods Page

We are trying to add PhaemPods to the Wikipedia site. We are getting flagged as unambiguous advertising. Is there another solution to getting our page up. PharmPods offers a true revolution in the vertical farming space. As vertical farming becomes more common, the public will seek answers. PharmPods and FusionPharm is on the forefront of the vertical farming space and would love to use this database to educate the public. Please advise of recommended solutions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.9.139.123 (talk) 23:06, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't a "database", it's an encyclopedia. Your contribution is being deleted because you're trying to advertise, which is not permitted in this or any encyclopedia. Acroterion (talk) 23:24, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

User_talk:Gauzeandchess#February_2012

Gauzeandchess (talk · contribs) is misusing the talk page again, this time on Talk:Gary Webb. Any ideas on how to proceed? Viriditas (talk) 09:02, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I left a note at Talk:Gary Webb and will escalate if the digressions continue. Acroterion (talk) 11:41, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. Viriditas (talk) 22:15, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

MLK

my edit is hist correct--109.252.242.22 (talk) 12:56, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Please discuss it on the article's talkpage: Wikipedia's manual of style generally avoids the term "negro." Acroterion (talk) 12:59, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Coal Towns and Coal Fields

I took a very good hard look at the Categories for Coal Towns and Fields, I think I can get these in order, HOWEVER, I need to get your opinion, there is NO agreed upon definition of a coal town and this will lead to some consternation. Is there a place where I can start a discussion and try to get a concensus on the definition of a coal town???? In my experience and opinion, the current definition on Wikipedia is at best, incomplete and at worst, incorrect.Additionally, there are Facebook groups (gasp) which are composed of former coal town residents who could possibly be a good primary data source for these towns as some of them are totally wiped off of the earth. As always, I will follow what Wikipedia suggests, and of course, your opinion and guidance is most appreciatedCoal town guy (talk) 13:39, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure where to start, apart from maybe WP:USA and WP:MINING. My personal definition is a community based solely on supporting a mine or mines, with no other economic activity, often a company town. As for sourcing, remember that Wikipedia doesn't admit primary sourcing for the most part: you need to rely on published secondary sources, since WP is a tertiary source. You can, of course, use such material to guide your research. Acroterion (talk) 02:25, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

For someone whose Grandfather was a coal miner, I can kinda answer this. A town in "Coal Country" where coal mining is the primary employment is a "Coal Town", while the areas between towns are "Coal Fields". The name for "Coal Fields" comes from the fact that you can literally walk through a field, dig with a hand spade a foot or two down and find a coal rock. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:34, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Yup, although the towns tended to be jammed into ravines (like Thurmond or Kay Moor, so that the town got what was left over in the flat space next to the river after the railroad went by, with houses straggling up the hillside, and a mine entrance someways up the hill where the seam could be conveniently accessed without a vertical shaft, letting coal go down the hill to the tipples and into the rail cars. Part of my family was (and some still are) from McDowell County, West Virginia and Tazewell County, Virginia. Acroterion (talk) 02:40, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Much appreciated, mine were from Summers and Raleigh and Mercer Counties in WV. I tend to agree tha the sole purpose of a coal town was the provision of a habitated area for a dedicated work force whose sole purpose was to mine coal. Even then, thgere are slight variances. I am looking at some books I hae here and they are rather good for referencing...Feedback is greatly appreciatedCoal town guy (talk) 03:10, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Thurmond and Kay Moor were more "Company Towns", where everything (outside the Post Office) was owned and controlled by the local coal company. The houses were either owned by the company or sold by the company, the store, the gas station and any other business was owned by the coal company. So, essentially, when people got the check cashed (at a bank that was controlled by the coal company), their money went right back into that very same coal company.

The standard definition of a "Coal Town" is a town like Big Stone Gap, Virginia or Bayard, West Virginia, were good portion of the people work in coal mining. Anywhere in Southwestern Virginia, Eastern Kentucky, Southern, Western, and Northwestern West Virginia and Southwest Pennsylvania, you will find that a large portion of the population works in coal mining. Now, granted, as we move into 21st Century, that is becoming less and less of the only source of employment (especially with the dangers). Though in some parts of those areas, it still is....or it is the source of the highest paying employment. In those areas, you will find "Coal Towns". The days of the "Company Town" are long gone. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:12, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. There are abberations within any supplied Scholarly work on defining a coal town. Even remote places could be either HUGE, Glen Rogers in Raleigh County for example or even historic, Jenkinjones in McDowell County also comes to mind.Coal town guy (talk) 14:43, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Good news for Smoke Hole, West Virginia

Hey- Thought I would let you know that I was able to upload my Smoke Hole, West Virginia Postmark and add it to the page. Regardless of the GNIS data, we have proof positive of a community.Thanks again for your help on this articleCoal town guy (talk) 14:40, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Bio

why delete? i am a real person with an organization on merseyside? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Louiegriffin1 (talk • contribs) 13:13, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, you don't appear to be notable. See WP:BIO, as well as WP:AUTOBIO: autobiographies are strongly discouraged. It's also an entirely unsourced biography, which is subject to non-speedy deletion. Acroterion (talk) 13:18, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

IP: 75.10.101.32

The IP has continued to edit war on hip hop page after the 48 hour block. -Cntras (talk) 11:26, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

User:Fartlover

FYI, I think you used the wrong block rationale here. Calabe1992 23:12, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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Berean Hunter

"A couple of points: Berean Hunter isn't an administrator, and Rwenonah has been edit-warring with a number of other editors over the past year. I'm trying to help Rwenonah to understand the problem with his edits and you're not helping by dragging your apparent grudge against Berean Hunter into an unrelated matter. Please try to assume good faith. Your issue with BH appears to be a minor misunderstanding that has gotten blown out of proportion: [s]he has the right to remove material on [her] userpage if [s]he wishes. " - Acroterion (talk) 13:38, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

- As do I. (hence the reason I moved your comment here) I will assume good faith to the point that you are probably a decent admin, most of the time, but here you are clearly jumping in without being informed or impartial. The "minor misunderstanding" was both created and "blown out of proportion" by Berean Hunter. She made a mistake, compounded it by making another, then made a fool out of herself by trying to blame it on me. She has since gone and tried to delete everything and anything related to the incident to cover it up.

Now I see an Edit War going on with Rwenoah, and you jumping in with a clear bias. I see no action taken against your little girlfriend "BH", while at the same time you and your admin buddies seem to continually punish Rwenoah without really providing clear reasoning, or responding to any of the counter-complaints that Rwenoah has brought forward. (yes, punish, as in "go sit in the corner and think about what you did!")

We all appreciate the work you admins do, but you need to try to stick to the principles you preach. Wikipedia should be a meritocracy, administered with total neutrality and transperency, else it become an insulated, dictatorial, cronyistic regime.

Good day. Thewolfchild (talk) 21:43, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Attempting to conflate issues and fabricate things now. Trying to interfere by instigating on an article talk page. I'll take his last comment here as confirming the account as a trolling sock.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 00:57, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

@ B.H.'s B.S. - Do you even bother to read what you write before you hit "save page"? All you did was was support my points with your citations. Yes, I made an error, an instead of trying to blame it on others, and then delete everything to cover it up, (like some people - >ahem< Berean Hunter >cough!< >cough!<...) I simply added an edit to correct my error. Thank you for showing that. Then there's your cite with my request that you review and adhere to the policies of Wikipedia. The request I posted right after your insult at another user. Thanks again. (While we're at it, here's another page for ya': Hypocrisy)

Basically, BH, your attitude sucks. It's counter-productive, and no matter how much you contribute (or think you do) to Wikipedia, the site doesn't need people like you. You are arrogant, crass and lacking in personal responsibility. You are a liar. You continually make a fool out of yourself with your pseudo-intellectualism and ridiculous taunts. "Trolling sock"? (are you joking? you must be joking... right?) Show one iota of proof that I'm a "troll", or "sock". Otherwise, please be quiet. - Thewolfchild (talk) 05:45, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

@Thewolfchild: Yes, I have a clear bias at Hunting. I'm not willing to see it turned into a badly-sourced manifesto instead of a middle-of-the-road article on hunting. You'll note that I've taken no administrative action there, since I've been involved in the editing (or at least in the objection to the attempted POV), but that doesn't prevent me from referring returning edit-warrior editors to the edit-warring noticeboards, nor does it prevent me from warning editors with an axe to grind that they're not helping anyone, including the person who's been blocked four times now for edit-warring. Wikipedia isn't a place to right great wrongs, and you seem to be principally concerned with ad hominem arguments, conspiracies, and attacks on the "regime." Acroterion (talk) 01:12, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

@Acroterion: No... I mean bias in your handling of this BH vs. Rwenoah nonsense. I reviewed the history of the Hunting page. Rwenoah is no more right or wrong than BH. The items that were being deleted were not properly sourced. (hence the reason I've since added "citation needed" to them). Perhaps they should not have been arbitrarily, and repeatedly removed, they were also repeatedly replaced. Meaning both Rwenoah and BH were guilty of edit warring. And since I didn't see you take any action to correct or improve the article, as an admin, you basically dropped the ball. I don't see where previous infractions on the part of Rwenoah make him any more right or wrong in this particular case, nor do they excuse the equally (if not more) inappropriate conduct on the part of BH. If you're going to take action as an admin, then that action should be balanced and neutral. It wasn't. As for the Hunting soap-box, er, I mean 'page', it is in need of correction. It is slanted in support of hunting as a sport. It should be more neutral, or include views opposed to hunting on an equal basis (wiki 101).

- As for "Wikipedia isn't a place to right great wrongs" - is that Wikipedia's policy, or your own personal philosophy? I would argue that the very nature of Wikipedia calls for constant correction and improvement. The reason we have public access edit functionality, talk pages, history pages, etc, etc, is so that if something is wrong, it can be righted (res ipsa loquitur).

- My arguments are not "ad hominem", they are subject-based, with perhaps an undertone of sarcasm. (Something Berean Hunter has a great deal of trouble with. Perhaps when she gets to high school, she'll learn some basic rhetoric)

- If you and at least one other admin conspire to take action against someone, then that is a conspiracy. (But relax, it's not like I'm accusing you of killing JFK or anything...)

- Please try to keep my comments in context if your are going to "quote" me. I am not attacking Wikipedia as a regime. I was, in fact, defending the principles of Wikipedia against those admins who would treat it like a regime, with their self-serving, egotistical, condescending, fascist attitudes (and, no... that's not directed at you personally).

- Have a nice day. - Thewolfchild (talk) 06:49, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

What have you been going on about? You warp so much that you don't have a grasp on reality.

On Dec. 4, Thewolfchild substituted a victim's middle name in place of his last name. I reverted back to the correct last name with an edit summary "Rv" and left a level 1 warning on Thewolfchild's talk page. Subsequently, Thewolfchild makes a correction in the entry where the middle and last names were incorrectly reversed. This edit was not reverted.

Thewolfchild then left this version of what happened on my talk page. I responded that I believed he had made a good faith mistake (having seen the one he corrected). He replied placing the order of events differently with "While I was correcting the initial error that caused the problem in the first place, you jumped in with you revisions and accusations without even knowing what you were talking about." Not accepting this twist of reality, I replied "Right. You made a good faith mistake and I corrected it." He replied and I answered his last question in the affirmative by removing the thread with the edit summary "yep".

After a lengthy hiatus from editing, Thewolfchild returns April 4 with this rendition of what happened on his talk page. He decided to leave this comment in a thread that had nothing to do with him on my talk page. I removed it so Thewolfchild decided to carry this forward to the talk page of a now-blocked editor with this post. Thewolfchild then proceeded to refactor my comments left in December on his talk page.

Ever since, he seems to be here for bearing a grudge. I could care less what rock he has crawled out from under but this is a long time troll socking and I don't see any merit from the pathos. His "recollections" don't square up with what happened.

Should this go to ANI?
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 13:41, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

@Wolfchild: As I previously stated, Rwenonah's efforts to make hunting into an anti-hunting manifesto are inappropriate and contrary to policy on several fronts, and he has been appropriately sanctioned for that on more than one occasion. Other editors, including myself, are permitted and encouraged to deal with these issues appropriately in accordance with the fundamental principles of Wikipedia. If we encounter such behavior that we can't deal with on our own, we report it to those who can. As I stated, I have not taken any actions on this subject as an administrator. You appear to be motivated by animosity toward a single editor, and appear to be stirring the pot to further a grudge, which I consider disruptive. You have a very short tenure here to be complaining about "self-serving, egotistical, condescending, fascist attitudes", since it appears that you've not been on the receiving end of such behavior from administrators. You appear to be confounding "collaborative" (as in a collaboratively-written encyclopedia) with "conspiracy," which is something you'll have to work out on your own. And yes, Wikipedia isn't a place to right great wrongs (i.e., advocacy of a cause): see WP:GREATWRONGS.

@Berean Hunter: Thewolfchild isn't doing Rwenonah any favors at the moment, who I think is at least sincere if misguided about sourcing and NPOV. I think it's worth bringing up at ANI, since it appears that we're not getting through, and the personal attacks directed at you combine with the Godwin's Law invocation don't give me much hope that you and I will make much of a difference. I'm tied up for a while, but can add my 2p a bit later. Acroterion (talk) 13:57, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

BH, you can harp away about the Zodiac page all you like, it just shows you are missing the point. I have been critical of you because of your holier-than-thou attiude. You criticize users for their edits, yet you will then go and edit in the same fashion that you have just condemned. You have no problem throwing insults about, then crying about an ANI for any slight that comes back at you. You delete anything that doesn't suit you, then you try to selectively cite pages and comments in a manner that does. When will realize that you are in a glass house, my friend? Bring on an ANI if you want but, EVERYTHING and EVERYBODY should be looked at...

Acro, as an admin, I expect more from you. I'm not here to do "any favours" for Rwenonah. (geez, I've been spelling that wrong. Sorry Rwen...) I couldn't care less about hunting, or the hunting page. But I stand by my position that you could've hanldled it better (as well as BH and Rwen). You allowed an edit war to go on, and instead of trying to mediate the issue, and perhaps find a solution, you jumped in an took one side over another, based on your personal preferences. As an admin, I don't think that's acceptable. As a user, I feel I have the right to criticize you, as long as my criticisms are respectful, which I feel they have been. I have not insulted you (or any other admin). I will again ask that you keep my comments in context. I have not "confounded collaborative with conspiracy". Since you seem to be confused on the issue however, perhaps you should re-read my comments. Also, ascerting that certain conduct on behalf of admins (in general) should be avoided for the benefit of this site, is not the same as accusing an admin (any admin) of said conduct. Therefore, Godwin's Law was not "invoked". Please remember, that I'm responding to your comments. I haven't done or said anything more, less or much different that you or BH. Please consider that before you threaten to "limit my tenure". (and... just what "difference" did you "hope" to make anyway? Just what are you trying to "get through" to me?) We simply have opposing opinions, but you seem to have a presumption of righteousness, just because you're an admin. I have not been involved in any edit wars or vandalism, my account is not a "sock" and I stand by everything I have said. So, please, go ahead and call the wiki-police, I'm ready...

- thewolfchild 15:43, 12 April 2012 (UTC) - (and once again, have a nice day)

Your ANI

Collapse pointless wikilawyering and time-wasting disputation
Wouldn't want to waste your time with anything pointless. So, instead I'll just ask... How's the big ANI going?

Deletion of Vashishta narayan under G10

In the first line, it was stated that he is the greatest mathematician of all time and there were other eulogies also inspite of negativeveness. G10 means entirely negative in tone so was it proper to delete it under g10 rather than g3? Please clarify Yasht101 17:54, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Apart from what you quote, which is in itself debatable, the remainder of the article was unrelievedly negative and on balance it was a negative biography of a living individual; vandalism was equally acceptable as a rationale, and I'm not one to spend much time quibbling about 1% of a deleted article. Acroterion (talk) 18:13, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for your response :) Yasht101 05:39, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

User:WebTV3

Not sure if this diff counts as a proper admission of sockpuppetry by WebTV3: [1] Trivialist (talk) 22:02, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

It's not: we've been through that with the checkuser. WebTV3 has a significant problem with clue, unfortunately. Acroterion (talk) 22:07, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I've noticed... Trivialist (talk)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	Thank you very much for reverting vandal and troll on my userpage! Very appreciated. NHRHS2010 the student pilot ✈ 02:44, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Also, thanks for blocking that user and his sockpuppet! NHRHS2010 the student pilot ✈ 02:50, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, glad to help out. Acroterion (talk) 15:03, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Albert14nx05y

Hey, I left a little note on his talk page about restoring removed comments. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 11:38, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but I doubt it does much good: it seems to be open season for recreational arguments. Acroterion (talk) 11:59, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, this is true. But if he continues, it shows I did honestly try to talk to him when I take him to ANI to get him blocked. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 12:17, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I've been keeping an eye on them, but they haven't made it much beyond complaints about not getting their way, and their last post here wasn't something I'd block for. Acroterion (talk) 12:20, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I just picked up on their posts when they posted on your talk page. If what I am seeing on your talk page is any indication of what their other edits look like (on a whole), then they could be blocked for "disruptive editing"...even if it was just for 24 (or 31) hours. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 12:30, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

A little venting isn't disruptive: they attempted a challenging deletion discussion that resulted in a speedy keep, and are convinced that policy was ignored, throwing in some shots at the closing admin and in my direction for reminding them to maintain some decorum. Acroterion (talk) 12:43, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

I guess I have been here too long. I start seeing one problem from a new editor (under a 100 edits is "new" to me) and I consider them a trouble maker (cause 99% of the time they are). Yup, been here far too long. :D - Neutralhomer • Talk • 12:52, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

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Hi, thanks for your support! (need your help...) [[2]].--Valdam.jr (talk) 18:29, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	Thank you for blocking the sockpuppets (and unblocking my account). In honor, I give you this barnstar. WebTV3 (talk) 01:05, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, glad we were able to clear that up. Acroterion (talk) 15:04, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

About "The Cole Conspiracy", and evil reptilian kitten-eaing admins from another planet

Hi Acroterion. Just left a note explaining what happened, here. --Shirt58 (talk) 03:25, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Wondered

Fo some time I had been simply using abbr=on to keep foot/mile/etc. singular...but that doesn't work sometimes when one wishes to spell the word out...I'm not sure I like the hyphen produced by the adj=on parameter, but that meets MOS apparently.[3] I have seen another parameter used I think that keeps miles to mile that doesn't incoprporate the hyphen, but I couldn't see which parameter that is on the SOP for the conversion template. The article I created yesterday is when I first started adding the adj=on parameter. On GRTE I ran a bot on the citations and did a reflinks check..I think 10 came back as dubious, but when I hard clicked on them, they all came up fine for me...thanks for looking things over! I'm still working on related stubs yet and not sure when I might advance the page to peer review. My forte is research and I've never claimed to be a great writer or copyeditor, so there is probably some sentence structure issues and some might complain about article length.--MONGO 03:12, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm no authority on the use of the convert template. It's got so many parameters, switches and formats that I give up when I try to read the documentation. The hyphen is a bit troublesome, especially given the FA minefield of en and em-dashes vs. hyphens. I'll keep on working my way through the article: you tend to do the same thing I do, re-use words from one sentence to the next, so I'm sensitized to picking it up. There are some grammatical constructions that you use that I wouldn't, but I've resisted the urge to change them as they're a matter of personal writing style rather than anything significant (I probably tend to overuse commas, you might underuse them). I may return and try to work some of them out. I think article length is a concern. I haven't found a good place to cut back though, unless it's in the pre-park history, but I'm uncomfortable with implying that only the last 84 years are significant. Acroterion (talk) 12:18, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Good thing I didn't add a controversy section discussing the dam, airport and elk hunt but I did incorporate those issues into the article...I also don't have an exotic species section since that issues seems relatively minor at GRTE....still, I think I can do some sentence restructuring and maybe cut 5 percent of the text out. Having worked on Glacier, rewrote Yellowstone, worked on Redwoods and Shoshone NF..and the most recent of these became FA 5 years ago, I wanted Grand Teton to be the new benchmark...as far as referencing it is I think superior, but I don't know if my effort to be comprehensive isn't simply just info overload...MONGO 13:50, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

You deleted my page

Why? It's a real person with interesting facts. Why would you delete a page that is about a real person with actual facts? That's the point of Wikipedia, FACTS and INFORMATION available to the public audience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valaksha (talk • contribs) 14:45, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

The article is a prank concerning a non-notable individual. Acroterion (talk) 14:54, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

How is it a prank? These are the things he's known for around here, it's a real person, a real job, a real software company. Just because you don't know the individual personally doesn't mean these statements are false. There are hundreds of people here who know him, how is that not notable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valaksha (talk • contribs) 15:00, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Funny articles about classmates, coworkers and friends don't meet notability requirements. This one was also unsourced and appears to be making fun of someone. Please read WP:BIO, WP:RS, WP:V and WP:BLP. Acroterion (talk) 15:04, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay, that is understandable. The page was made with that individual, but I can see how it may come across in a foul manner to those who don't know him. I apologize for the misunderstanding; it's unfortunate we can't keep the page though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valaksha (talk • contribs) 15:09, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding. Biographies must cross a high bar due to their potential for damage in the real world. Think of it this way: Wikipedia comes up near the top of virtually all search results and is the #7 website on the planet. How would you want to be covered here? Acroterion (talk) 15:12, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Agree with Acroterion I agree with him, this website is EXTREMELY important, plus you can use your user page to give an autobiography or the sandbox, but not an article. WebTV3 (talk) 00:32, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

User:Superman6789

Thought I would mention to you, this user's edits regarding Webtv3 are a bit concerning. Calabe1992 01:34, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

I've opened a sockpuppet case here. Do you agree with me? Calabe1992 01:41, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, a bit strange, worth an SPI given the put-up job of a few days ago. Having unblocked WebTV3 I've ended up looking after him, I suppose. Acroterion (talk) 01:44, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, I guess after this hopefully we'll know for sure what was going on. Cyberpower's talk page was on my watchlist for whatever reason and I noticed the unusual editing, dug further and found the odd requests for mentoring. Something strange definitely going on. Calabe1992 02:03, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Interesting... CU found that WebTV33 was unrelated, but there were other accounts (and some other sockmaster). Seems that "Walter" is a common string here on all the others. Calabe1992 14:03, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that. I wonder if it's spillover from some interaction WebTV3 might have had elsewhere on the Internet. Acroterion (talk) 14:09, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Auto thanks!

Much appreciated on the auto check. I am just over 160 new articles and it struck me that, whoah, I am not even a month old here on Wikipedia, MUCH appreciatedCoal town guy (talk) 18:45, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

National Heritage Areas

Re: categorization: my pleasure, as always. :-)

Re: the rest - honestly, I don't know. I'd leave the "protected area" designations, as while it's an imperfect description, it does underline the fact that the Heritage Areas are recognized as something special and different by the government. Like the National Register - a house may be on the Register, but that doesn't preclude the owners from doing anything with it, yet we still think of them as protected structures. It's not perfect, but then what is? :-) --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 14:00, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

I like the NRHP analogy, makes sense. Acroterion (talk) 15:12, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

little face syndrome

Hello I made a page called "little face syndrome" for my husband as a joke about or dog. why did you delete it? is there any way to get it back so I can send it to him? Please let me know. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sydne426 (talk • contribs) 22:13, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Because it was a joke about your dog, not an encyclopedia article. I've emailed the text to you. Acroterion (talk) 01:48, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Back again after a month block by you and still no changes

• Hello Acroterion, see User talk:108.82.100.8 (diff), the guy just took the convenience of removing old messages and proceeded to "act ignorant" by removing the templates of "repeatvandal" and "older" as well. Clearly, he/she is not here to improve the project... thoughts? --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 05:28, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

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WWII era fortifications Hohlgangsanlage tunnels, Jersey

Need help with the article Hohlgangsanlage tunnels, Jersey It needs general clear up and more information

Thank-you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fdsdh1 (talk • contribs) 12:01, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Joe jobber found

The person who joe jobbed me has been found: 59.90.134.181. Block him indef with no talk page rights. I have left a message to him. WebTV3 (talk) 21:42, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

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	I really wanted to say thanks for giving me the confidence,pride and guidance to continue with creating WV unincorporated place pages. I am now 300+ on my article creations, and thanks to you and others, I will continue to contribute. Coal town guy (talk) 14:53, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm glad we were able to get you launched successfully - the learning curve around here can be pretty steep. Let me know if you have any other questions. Acroterion (talk) 14:58, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

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Colorado Republican caucuses, 2012

Thanks for blocking this article. Greetings Bielsko (talk) 22:55, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

WebTV3

Please see here. Equazcion ^(talk) 01:43, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Cripes. Actions have consequences, and this has gotten very old. Acroterion (talk) 02:04, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Monkey Philosophy has been deleted

How can we decide if a band is sigificant or not? Why delete valid and truthful information? Valment29 (talk) 03:15, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

We go by WP:BAND to determine notability. Existence isn't quite enough. Acroterion (talk) 03:16, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for your help about the page posted about my daughter. You responded so quickly and with good information. Thanks! Macchismom (talk) 18:14, 3 May 2012 (UTC)Macchismom

ArtOfDying Guild

Hello Acroterion,

I need help creating the page, I was hoping you could point me in the right direction.

Thank You,

Chrisupi007 (talk) 01:18, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

00:49, 4 May 2012 Acroterion (talk | contribs) deleted page ArtOfDying Guild (A7: No explanation of the subject's significance (real person, animal, organization, or web content)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisupi007 (talk • contribs)

Well, you'll need to pass the general notability guideline: see WP:NOTE and WP:WEB for notability of web content. Basically, you'll need to indicate that the organization has received significant coverage in major independent media. Acroterion (talk) 02:40, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

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HELP with Eight West Virginia

OK, I need some help. Here is the deal. In 1936, The Eight WV post office closed. I CANT locate the geo coordinates for Eight. SO, recalling a map that showed the town of Eight, I have been able to approxiomate the location of the place with a former resident and AFTER going to topozone, I have some geo coordinates which are rather accurate. HOW do I reference this??????? GNIS states that it has no geo coordinate data OR should I just suck it up and enter the geo data I haveCoal town guy (talk) 17:02, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

While in principle everything is supposed to be referenced, I can't get worked up over a reasonable approximation arrived at in good faith. References are required specifically for information likely to be challenged: I don't see this as such a case and I'd rather have the unreferenced coordinates than nothing for want of a reference. Acroterion (talk) 17:07, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

One way to do it (pardon me for butting in, Acroterion) is to reference the historical USGS topo map that shows the town. See the USGS historical topo map collection, for example. I've used the maps in hard copy. Sometimes you can also get them at the map library at a university. Another nice thing about the historical USGS map is that it's public domain so you can clip an image from it if you like. Antandrus (talk) 17:10, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Normally yes. However, there was a custom in that state which makes that hard. It was totally in the realm of possibility for a town to be dis assembled and reassembled in another locatio with the same or different name. I do have the topo map with the approximate area, however, the place names are harder ESPECIALLY when most of not all of the residents from said area are dead. I never said coal towns were fun places, its just that I want to hold as close to the standard of an encyclopedia as I can. I very much do appreciate the input howeverCoal town guy (talk) 17:18, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank yiou. Now for the BIG question. There are MANY places like this in Southern WV as you are well aware. BECAUSE I have ALOT of older folks who lived there, COULD I PLEASE use this method? As always, any direction, will be appreciatedCoal town guy (talk) 17:14, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

That's probably a matter for more general discussion. Standards for referencing have gotten much tighter over the past few years, and it's harder to just go ahead and write what's obviously true without being accused of original research. I would point out that as Antandrus notes, an article on some coal town, let's call it Acme, West Virginia, could be constructed to document its multiple locations, and in fact should, giving referenced locations from the USGS maps for the most definite and approximations for the others. Too often we get roped into pinning things down within 10 meters when a lower degree of precision would do, and many geocoded locations are in fact the product of OR with Google Earth. Acroterion (talk) 17:37, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I think a good-faith approximation is fine (especially if you can't find exactly the right map).

For what it's worth I'm familiar with the phenomenon of movable company towns. I write the articles on oil fields on the west coast, and in my research have found numerous cases of entire towns for the oil workers which have either moved or vanished. In some cases I've gone and found the remains and photographed them. If you look at the photo from ca. 1912 of the Cat Canyon field you can see the town both on the right and the upper left; there's nothing there now but broken glass, rusty nails, and cowpies. Bicknell was another one. If I ever get around to writing articles on the towns I'd have to use a method like the one you propose (though Bicknell does show on an old topo map). Antandrus (talk) 17:41, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

MUCH appreciated. I am nearly 370 articles deep on WV towns alone and some of them are as you induicated VERY difficult to get to, much less, find on a map and the photos are not that easy to shoot or get. Thanks to all for the input, I have noted in my edit that I have used an approximation provided by a former resident.Coal town guy (talk) 17:45, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm a bit late to the discussion, but since I was asked to comment, the above advice seems pretty good to me. If you do have a map then you can cite that for the coordinates, even if there's no GNIS data; if it's a coal town that moved around, either give an approximation or give the coordinates for all of the locations if you can find them. Some degree of original research is probably fine if you don't have a map; I've had to do OR myself to pin down a few sites for which I could determine their locations but didn't have a source for them. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 23:45, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

MUCH Appreciated. Its nice to be in a community that cares enough to document these places. VERY grateful.Coal town guy (talk) 00:34, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

National Register documentation

Thank you for the note. I'll check that out. Cbl62 (talk) 17:05, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

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personal wikepedia

Dear Wiki

I want to create a personla wiki about myself, just like this; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamela_Geller hos is this done?4

Yours Ronni Steenfeldt — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steenfeldt (talk • contribs) 19:01, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

You need to be sufficiently notable for a Wikipedia article - see WP:BIO. In general notability demands sufficient coverage in reputable third-party sources to allow appropriate referencing and verifiability: see WP:RS and WP:V. Acroterion (talk) 19:08, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Good news and Whitby West Virginia

Hello- I have made it into the top 1000 article creator in Wikipedia and thanks again for your help. However, I have a specific town which I want to elevate from a stub to a "good" or "start" status. It is for the coal town of Whitby WV. WHY am I asking for help? BECAUSE I understand we are NOT to use "original" research. BUT, I also created the Whitby WV web page with its own domain. www.whitbywv.com. SO, COULD I use the web page as a reference as long as the data has a reliable source? AND if thats OK, how do I get the article upgraded knowing full well, that it took a PILE of original research to get the Whitby wv web page created??? Wouldnt this represent a conflict of interest? ANY feedback you could provide would be greatly appreciated.Coal town guy (talk) 19:14, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

That's pretty impressive, and it's important to preserve the material. You've done well to assemble this, I wish more people did it. That said, such a site wouldn't meet RS requirements, at least not for peer-reviewed, GA or FA status, unless you've established a reputation in the field by getting published by a third party. WP:SPS is the relevant link. It could be linked to as an EL, I think. You could use the original sourcing if it met RS. That's not to question the veracity of the information, nor your good faith and diligence: far from it. It's just that so often we have the opposite problem of someone publishing poorly researched or opinionated material from their own website that it tends to exclude self-published material that's perfectly fine. Acroterion (talk) 22:35, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I concur I woud need to use pieces that are verifiable by a third party source. I watched my town die, it was hard and now, I have the means to preserve, in an encyclopedic manner or virtual manner the places. I think thats fine by me. I will start little by little and will of course be open to any and all suggestions to keep within the guidelines hereCoal town guy (talk) 00:32, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Urbanism

Remember this article? It was discussed at ANI or AN (can't remember). Some thought it should be stubbed it was such an unholy mess. You tagged it. Anyway, I've been idly watching it for a while now, and no one has taken the kind of action that should (in my view) be taken. I thought of stubbing it, but decided just to remove any sections (in some cases pieces of sections) that were completely unsourced. I was doing them one by one but without realizing that others were adding them back in. So, I stopped. Any suggestions on how to deal with this article (that doesn't entail a lot of work because I'm honestly not interested in spending a lot of time on it)? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:11, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

I was planning on leaving it alone until after the 14th, when the class is done turning it into a horse designed by a committee, then having a few swings with an axe. Acroterion (talk) 01:25, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

LOL. I'll leave you to it.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:34, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

I hope the professor reads the talkpage comments when grading (yeah, I know that grades are sort of passé in grad school, but still...) The quoting of great thinkers (yet without appropriate references) is fine for proving you've done the required reading, but of little use in the real world, and WP is much more real than grad school. I look at what I wrote in grad school and shudder. Acroterion (talk) 02:03, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

I once wrote a paper in a graduate seminar. The professor had said there was no page limit (unusual). My paper was, uh, long. He gave me a good grade but wrote that the absence of a page limit was not an "invitation to prolixity". Maybe we should add that as one of the instructions at ANI.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:17, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

The Poetry Anarchists

Dear Acroterion

Thank you for guiding me in the scary-ish new world of submitting Wikipedia articles. Everything now makes sense, and I'm with you all the way. If Poetry Anarchists is in fact a poetry movement worthy of Wikipedia, then eventually others will write the article anyway, and I'll be very happy for that to happen. At this stage it seems to be a grassroots project gathering momentum in Western Australia, and from what I can gather, it appears to have been inspired by a side-project coming out of the State Library of Western Australia that aims to encourage everyone everywhere to discover or rediscover the pleasure and enjoyment of reading. Poems are definitely being left in public spaces in Geraldton and other West Australian towns for people to find and enjoy, and it is attracting media attention and speculation. But it might be one of those things that dies out fairly quickly, too. So, for now, I'm very happy to adopt a wait-and-see response. People are enjoying finding poems in the oddest places around Geraldton and other towns in Western Australia. Where this is all headed, I have no idea, but it's positive and uplifting. My conflict of interest stems from the fact that someone asked me to write a short article on Poetry Anarchists for Wikipedia, because they know I have a PhD and they figured that might help. Of course, I had no idea what I was doing at the time I posted, and came off looking a bit silly, really. But their hearts (and mine) were in the right place. They are trying to promote reading, and that's never a bad thing.

Thank you for your advice.

Dr Glyn Parry Western Australia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poetryanarchists (talk • contribs) 13:04, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Glad to help - unfortunately the learning curve's a little steep around here, and I encourage you to contribute wherever you can. Please don't take the notability issues with the Poetry Anarchists as a criticism or denigration of the activity - I think it's a fine thing and hope it continues, and please don't feel silly. We all start somewhere. Let me know if you have any questions, and I hope you will find some places here where you can contribute. I'm not sure whether coverage in the West Australian would satisfy notability - I suspect it would have to be picked up elsewhere in Australia, but if it is I would then see no bar to inclusion. We get a lot of people who are here to promote a meme, neologism or personal theory, so we have to lean on coverage in independent media to maintain a sane and consistent standard for inclusion. Acroterion (talk) 13:28, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

why delete DR_ARKO_PRAVO_MUKHERJEE post

DR_ARKO_PRAVO_MUKHERJEE is an upcoming music director in India, he is now composing music for "Jism 2" starring Sunny Leone, This Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jism_2 already write that he is the music director of that film. I personally believe we should write about him — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bappadityamishra86 (talk • contribs) 19:11, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

You'll need to find reliable sources to support both notability and the required references for a biography. See WP:BIO, WP:NOTE, WP:RS and WP:V for more. Acroterion (talk) 19:18, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

BritishEco blocked page

This page is not unambiguously promotional, because I have researched other company brands on Wikipedia, and I fail to see any differences in the pages.

If you can provide me with details to minimise the amount of 'promotional activity' on the page, I will happily delete this and create a new page which could be more informative.

We are approved by the Government MCS scheme and we are one of the pioneer Green Deal Providers and we can offer a lot of information regarding the industry.

Please advise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.140.29.171 (talk) 15:45, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

That site is important it needs to stay up — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.8.207.32 (talk) 00:01, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

The article was deleted because it was straightforward advertising for an apparently non-notable company. Wikipedia doesn't permit advertising. Does "they are professionals and understand what the customers want and they are committed to providing excellent customer service at all times. Their vast experience and proven track record with thousands of installations across the country reiterate that they are one of the leading renewable energy specialists" "They are committed to helping you gain independence from rising energy bills" "They handle the entire process for you from planning to designing, installation and aftercare and they offer a wide range of services and products".look like an encyclopedia article to you? Acroterion (talk) 02:13, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Glacier Park Lodge

I didn't realize this lodge wasn't listed as historically significant enough to be listed in the NRHS or similar. The last time I went inside the hotel was in 1985, but even then it was obviously significant. Was there never a submittance for such designations or was it declined?MONGO 13:39, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't really know, and what I wrote was really a case of citing an absence of sourcing. There's a strange void here. The building would be a slam-dunk national historic landmark, so I can only believe that the owners have resisted any sort of historic designation, which is odd because they could get tax credits for maintenance and restoration work. They've done a fine job of maintaining its historical integrity, so it's not that. It's very conspicuously unlisted on either the NRHP or the list of NHLs, unlike all of its hotel counterparts and the 10,000 or so patrol cabins, boathouses and fire cache buildings in the park. In any case, the place deserves a better article, so I thought I'd put a little work into it, having taken the Marin Civic Center, which was similarly pitiable despite its fascinating and well-documented history, to something at least tolerable, though the Civic Center needs more coverage of the design,the accessory structures and better images. Acroterion (talk) 13:55, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

It must be related to the owners of course. They must be concerned that being on the registers would mandate them to certain parameters they're not comfortable with.MONGO 14:41, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

That's my guess, though being on the National Register imposes no onerous restrictions while conferring tax credits for properly executed work. Even NHL designation just means that you have to follow the Secretary of the Interior's guidelines for work in which federal money is involved. Anyway, I'm going to have a whack at expanding the articles for all of the Glacier hotels and chalets, including those which no longer exist. Acroterion (talk) 14:48, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

I found a source for the non-listing on historic registers - the Christine Barnes Great Lodges book, and added it. Laura Soulliere Harrison recommends NHL status in her discussion of the other buildings. No reason given for avoidance, but owner opposition is likely. They may have seen what the Park Service has spent on Many Glacier and decided they wanted no part, though MG is a far more ramshackle affair. I've been awakened from sleep by the room moving in a wind gust there, though I think that's been mostly cured. When we were there last it had been noticeably repaired and upgraded. Acroterion (talk) 17:49, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Greene-Sullivan State Forest

Why did you delete it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pocka06 (talk • contribs) 18:22, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Because it read as a public relations promotion, rather than an article on public lands. Encyclopedias don't generally describe a place as "a perfect place to spend an afternoon." Reviewing your other contributions I see similar language that should be corrected, and an absence of sourcing, which must be corrected. Acroterion (talk) 18:27, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Actually, they're copyright violations, and will have to be rewritten immediately or deleted. Acroterion (talk) 18:31, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Protective Distribution System

I'd really like to understand how when I post the source for the article someone else deletes it then the article is taken down? The NSTISSI 7003http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSTISSI_7003 is a actual document put out by DISA with the guidelines for Protective Distribution Systems. Systems that are accredited are listed in the Governments eMass http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMASS

This is not spam, or promoting any product. there is a lot of that on this site. Examples

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_Communications

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WESCO_International

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_Cable_Corporation

Although, I was posting company information as these companies were allowed to I did not argue when it was taken down. But as for information on protective distribution systems not related to any promotion but speaking of new solutions the content is relevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PDS Expert (talk • contribs) 15:41, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

All articles must stand on their own: stating that there is promotion or inappropriate material in another article doesn't grant license to include it in another article: see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. As I've noted, you appear to be trying to promote a brand name: I could find no documentation that the term is a generic technical term, and other editors with specific interests in telecommunications have agreed. If the "new solution" becomes widespread there will eventually be coverage in reliable third-party sources that can then be cited on Wikipedia. Please remember that Wikipedia is a tertiary source that cites reliable secondary sourcing. It doesn't publish original research or cover material that has not already been covered elsewhere by neutral observers. Acroterion (talk) 15:57, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

By the way, the Verizon article is so-so, but fairly well referenced. The WESCO article is mediocre at best, and the OCC article is frankly terrible, and I'm going to see what might be cut. You can see why editors are so touchy about business promotion: it's hard to root it all out, and every company has a PR department that wants to put their best face on their WP article. I don't dispute the existence of the DISA material: it's just that it doesn't really support the use of the term "Armored Shield Carrier" unless I've missed something. It does discuss various means of hardening cabling, but I didnt find that specific terminology. Acroterion (talk) 16:02, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

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Plug Uglies Wrecking Crew Article

Hello, I am the author of the article Plug Uglies Wrecking Crew that you deleted. May I ask what is needed to prevent deletion? I was working on adding references when you deleted the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soldiers of Filth (talk • contribs) 03:50, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

See WP:NOTE for general notability guidelines. You might want to use a sandbox in your userspace to write the article before moving it to article space. Generally, significant notice in major news outlets or other publications would be required. Local coverage is usually not sufficient. Acroterion (talk) 13:23, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

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	The Real Life Barnstar
	The lady that you pointed toward me a couple of weeks ago with an issue asked that I thank you specifically for the wonderful and kind way that you helped her. Thank you for exemplifying the best of the Wikipedia spirit on that day. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 06:01, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

A well-deserved honor. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 06:41, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, much appreciated. I hope things got sorted out for her in real life to her satisfaction. Acroterion (talk) 11:55, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Domes International Review of Architecture

Dear Acroterion,

I just noticed that you deleted my entry of Domes International Review of Architecture. Given that I am the publisher of this magazine, I would like to kindly ask you why.

Best wishes,

Prodromos Papadopoulos — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prodromos papadopoulos (talk • contribs) 19:43, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Since Wikipedia is a free-content publication, Wikipedia can't accept text that has been published elsewhere under a copyright, which includes material from your own website. You may, of course, donate the material (there are instructions for doing so in the deletion notice you received), or you may change the terms on your website to be compatible with the CC-by-SA copyleft that Wikipedia uses, but it would be best to simply rewrite the material so that it isn't a copy of your own promotional material, bringing it in line with the style and tone normally expected for an encyclopedia article. This will also allow you to establish notability by reference to third-party publications by providing references that are independent of the subject. Since you're the publisher, please review WP:COI and observe best practices where you are writing about a subject that closely concerns you. As an architect myself, I want to encourage you, but please remember that articles must be written neutrally, must depend on third-party sources, and must not be direct copies of copyrighted (even by implication) material. Acroterion (talk) 19:54, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

NS Savannah - Control Room

I appear to have been aboard the Savannah at the same time as you last Saturday. I have some photos of the Reactor Control Room. Would you be interested in them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.183.235.242 (talk) 02:18, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

I figured there'd be somebody else there with the same idea. By all means, you're welcome to upload them. You'll need an account at Wikimedia Commons to do it. It's better that you do it (I can help) rather than sending them to me to upload, so the free-content attribution works out. Feel free to work on the article too, it's got some distance to go. Thanks for the roof/room fix. Acroterion (talk) 02:22, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I'll set up an account and upload them later this evening. I also have some shots from inside the turbine room, but they're not as clear as those you shot from the observation gallery.

I've read the page on setting up accounts and have a question: Would it be acceptable to have an account under my own name for attribution of submitted photos, and also an account under a pseudonym for edits? Wikipedia seems to have rather convoluted rules of etiquette.  ;-)

Have you met Erhard Koehler? He's the director of the Savannah maintenance/restoration, and could certainly provide a lot of reference material. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.183.235.242 (talk) 02:47, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Hah - convoluted? Just wait, it gets worse. Opinions vary on account naming. Unless you plan to offer the images for publication elsewhere (which can be done under a CC-by-SA license and still get paid, since print attribution is more stringent), I'd suggest using a pseudonym for both. I've had images published that were originally uploaded to my Commons account, with real-name attribution. Once you set up one account you'll be logged into any Wikipedia wiki automatically anyway. You can always change to your real name if you feel comfortable with that later on. I'm perhaps more paranoid, since as a WP administrator I come into contact with more difficult people than most editors do.

Yes, I met Erhard on Saturday and had a good talk with him - he's the one who responded to my email to MARAD and told me that the ship would be open. I've incorporated some of his insights into the article, though there's more to do. Acroterion (talk) 02:55, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

I suppose it's not critical. I've had only three photos published. (two book covers, one newspaper article) so it's just a hobby/ego thing about having my name on them.  ;-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.183.235.242 (talk) 03:04, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

There's definitely no bar to having the material published elsewhere under your own name. Since CC-by-SA attribution requires a great deal of verbage that works better as a hyperlink on the web than in print, print use pretty much requires explicit permission from the image owner, apart from providing a high-quality TIFF file. Some professional photographers submit downsampled images to prevent them from being used by stock compilers and sell the full-resolution images. Acroterion (talk) 03:11, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

I seem to have created an account. I'll mess with trying to upload images in a bit.

Trierites (talk) 03:34, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Re my addition of April 2012 to the Flight 93 article.

I wondered whether someone would come up with some crap like that. You cite a "Neutral point of view" as being the reason to delete my word "Supposedly" from the article. Let me point out to you that your deletion of my word will return the article to the point of view that the crash actually occurred in the way that the gov't and the system insists on telling you that it did. HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT IT DID OCCUR THAT WAY? HOW, INDEED, DO YOU EVEN KNOW THAT IT HAPPENED AT ALL? Just because the so-called "Authorities" tell you so is not proof! By my adding the word "Supposedly", it alerts the reader to the fact that the event may or may not have happened as described. That, surely, is a more neutral point of view than to simply repeat the official line blindly. Let the reader decide for themselves what they want to believe. Surely that is a more neutral way to go. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Informatus (talk • contribs) 05:02, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't an appropriate place for you to promote conspiracy theories. The introduction of weasel words like "supposedly" or "allegedly" into 9/11 topics, or the Kennedy assassination, or in moon landings, AIDS research, the Holocaust, vaccines, or in any of several dozen other topics is particularly unacceptable and plainly non-neutral. Neutrality policy requires that fringe theories be described as such, and there are in fact articles on fringe theories concerning 9/11, where they are clearly discussed in that context. Acroterion (talk) 11:24, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Do you not understand that by just repeating the "accepted" line in an encyclopedic article automatically makes it a non-neutral view! By perpetuating whatever the "official" view might be, you place Wikipedia firmly on the side of the officials and whatever they wish to make everyone believe. SO MUCH FOR YOUR SO-CALLED NEUTRALITY! Don't make me laugh! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Informatus (talk • contribs) 13:13, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia gives the greatest emphasis to mainstream sources, and treats fringe views in due proportion to their coverage and treatment in mainstream media. You shouldn't be surprised to encounter difficulty when you insert obvious commentary like "supposedly" into the lead of any article on Wikipedia, much less a featured article that has been through multiple editor reviews. Acroterion (talk) 13:25, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

History of the Luftwaffe (1933–1945)

An odd happening just happened. I went to this page and found no way to edit it. I went back to other pages and they are just fine, I know I am signed in and all. Is this page under some sort of edit protection? Paul, in Saudi (talk) 09:46, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Yup, it's fully protected due to a dispute over the article title in a requested move discussion. See the history. Acroterion (talk) 11:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

LantixPro page

Dude. Why did you delete it? It said why it was important! Please put it back! They help children be creative and they educate them! It said on the page. Please bring it back.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by InvaderX 9 (talk • contribs) 03:14, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

It's not notable. See WP:NOTE and WP:ORG. Acroterion (talk) 03:16, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Will you bring it back if I note it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by InvaderX 9 (talk • contribs) 03:18, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

No, unless you're the New York Times, Forbes or some other major media outlet. Acroterion (talk) 12:01, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Blueback Reservoir

Could you please let me know what the problems are with this page so that I can fix them? I'm new to all of this, and I'm just trying to get this page posted. Thanks!

The Bugle: Issue LXXIV, May 2012

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If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 14:16, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Raleigh County WV Flag, Need Help

Hey, I have a real cool dilema here. I interviewed the creator of the Raleigh County Flag and have created a web page reflecting its meaning etc etc. I thought I could contribute such an article on Wikipedia. HOWEVER, I do not want to fall in the abyss of original research. BUT, here is the quandry: The local historical folks did IMO, an A1, worthy of webster piss poor job of documenting the flag. In fact, I can see no public mention of it with the glaring exception of a local newspaper article telling us what a swell person the flags creator was (and they are), BUT there is exactly JACK SQUAT out there on its historic meaning. SO, How do I reference this thing and properly maintain the encyclopedic detachment required???Coal town guy (talk) 15:09, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Looking at your webpage on the flag, I see what you mean. It's certainly a better design effort than most. I found the Register-Herald article on the competition in 2005 - do you have a link to the follow-up article with the very nice people? Otherwise, I think it's something that would be a short section in the Raleigh County article, mentioning the fact that the flag was created in a competition, and that it incorporates the county seal and other elements symbolic of the county's heritage, all of which can be referenced. You might have to remain silent on the details of the stars. I'm not convinced that a county flag would merit its own article unless the design was notable enough to have been covered more than locally. This is more of a case of meeting the general notability guideline - WP:GNG, which would demand a reasonable amount of coverage for the subject. Acroterion (talk) 15:22, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. From a non detached perspective, the county took over 150 years to create a flag, ON THE OTHER HAND, I believe you approach to be more correct as it were. The competition aspect was far more emphasized than the actual symbology, more the pity as the flag designer herself is a rather well read historian teaching in the public school system, and herself desired to speak about the flags meaning rather than the competition itself. Much appreciatedCoal town guy (talk) 15:27, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

RevDel request

Would you please revdel this per criterion#4, as it contains someone's full (presumably real) name, address, phone # & email address. Thank you.--JayJasper (talk) 17:22, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Done. Are you passing this along to oversight as well? Acroterion (talk) 17:25, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt action. How do I pass it along to oversight?--JayJasper (talk) 17:28, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

See WP:RFO using the quick form. Technically personal information should be suppressed by an oversighter once an admin has done it, though I don't see a pressing need in this case, it's still policy. Sorry for the delay in answering, I was interrupted by an interlude of work. Acroterion (talk) 18:27, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I'll pass it along.--JayJasper (talk) 18:39, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Notability

I have found that the only reason you have rejected this submission is because we are not a multimillion dollar company. I will never use your services again. I followed you criteria to the letter and still you have rejected my article. I reject your wikipedia! John — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.97.29.13 (talk) 02:22, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Actually, multi-million dollar companies are often non-notable, and some small firms are. However, in this case, no credible assertion was made that Two Handymen and a Truck was a notable organization. Wikipedia isn't a business directory or a means of promotion. Acroterion (talk) 02:40, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Block evasion by User:WebTV3

Hello Acroterion, seeing as you had blocked User:71.20.120.188 for 1 week, i suspect that it is User:WebTV3. And when i wanrned WebTV3 about avoding detection and evading scrutiny for their disruptive editing, they accepted that it's their IP address, see this edit [4] where they declare that it is their own IP address and also on user and user talk page of User talk:71.20.120.188. They say that they are retired but keep editing and since as the block is always on the user himself and is in place on IP 71.20.120.188, it also needs to be done on WebTV3 as they have themselves agreed that they are the same person editing via IP address and their user account. Thanks. TheGeneralUser (talk) 13:57, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Actually, in this case the block was on the IP only to force the user to use their named account: blocks aren't always a blanket ban on editing by an individual. Because this user is clearly a minor and because there are privacy concerns I've not gone to great lengths to publicly link the IP and user, and I'm going to remove the IP userpage material on that basis. Bearing in mind that this user has been the victim of impersonation and egregious attacks from other sources, I've been conservative in blocking IPs, though I agree that the link is clear in this case. I'm not inclined to block the primary account unless they fail to keep their word, and I feel that a block at this moment would be punitive rather than preventive. Acroterion (talk) 14:41, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Oh i see, so this is the case here. Well then it's probably the right thing as you are saying. But i would still suggest that disruptive edits (if any) be monitored and checked so that there isn't any harm to Wikipedia. Thanks for your opinion Acroterion, Regards. TheGeneralUser (talk) 15:16, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I've been keeping an eye on the IP and the user (and will continue to do so), and given that it's a very young user with poor impulse control, I've assumed that they didn't realize that use of the IP would be so obvious. Acroterion (talk) 15:19, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Help! WHAT is lead too short????

I have an editor Harsh 2580 yelling me that the "lead is too short" on one of my unincorporated communitites articles...What is that? How would I change that? I am 800+ in these articles and if someone honestly expects me too change the lead on the literal thousands of these communities, thats crazy at best. MOST of these places have yet to be documented......WHAT. should I do?Coal town guy (talk) 15:41, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Looks like they've sorted it out and apologized. A complaint about a too-short lead would apply to a fairly long and developed article, not to a geostub article. Acroterion (talk) 15:55, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Much appreciated, I am trying to get beyond the geo stub phase, first things first, they have to be documented in some manner.....Coal town guy (talk) 16:05, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

JAZMIN SISTERS Deleted

Hi. I just wanted to know why the page I created for the JAZMIN SISTERS was deleted There was no copyright infringement. I also had a source and was ready to put more. i am new to Wikipedia, so i would really appreciate it if you could explain it to me.

Thanks for your time,

(Guitarjoe5150 (talk) 21:56, 1 June 2012 (UTC))

Luke

It was copied straight out of MySpace, which is clearly noted as copyrighted. You are welcome to write a sourced article in your own words, but Wikipedia can't accept material copied in from elsewhere. Acroterion (talk) 22:20, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	For your work deleting tagged articles and general admin work. -- Luke (Talk) 02:27, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Acroterion (talk) 02:29, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

2006scape

Please undo your delete on 2006scape, more people were going to add to it, but it was deleted too fast. I didn't have much for it in the beggining, but more users were going to add to it very soon.

Please bring it back,

Thanks

Chamers (talk) 01:57, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

There was no credible assertion of notability, defined as significant coverage in major independent media. You are welcome to create an article if and when the subject becomes notable and can be supported by references in third-party sources, but otherwise, Wikipedia isn't an appropriate place to pursue what appears to be a social media campaign. See WP:NOTE and WP:WEB for more on notability. Acroterion (talk) 03:06, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

BostInnovation

Hi I saw that the page BostInnovation was deleted and I was hoping you could help me to get it published. How should I make it so that this page shows the significance of the organization? Thanks. Could you please notify me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alake01 (talk • contribs) 13:56, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Chris wong

The article was a total mess that I really doubt would have survived AfD, but "worlds youngest Android developer" is a claim of notability, and there was a real reference, the Richmond News article. LadyofShalott 02:32, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Well, yes, but I have a general concern about WP articles on 11-year-olds, however precocious they might be. I have no problem with undeleting it if you feel it's too far out of process, but I am of the general opinion that an article on a pre-teen should pass a very high bar for notability, beyond a mere assertion that they "might be" (as the source puts it) the youngest Android developer. Besides, the source says there's a 9-year-old in Singapore making apps. Acroterion (talk) 02:37, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

I share your concern about articles on kids. This is one of the ways the restrictions on speedy deletion fail us (I'd not have argued if you'd called it an IAR deletion), but I really do think that A7 was not applicable. LadyofShalott 02:52, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough - I usually do a custom rationale for IAR stuff so all can see, but I occasionally am lazy about that. Acroterion (talk) 02:55, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

And risk getting called out by the likes of me! ;~p LadyofShalott 02:59, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

You have to watch out for those women in oarless boats - they're fierce. Acroterion (talk) 03:07, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

That's right, and don't you forget it! lol LadyofShalott 03:11, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

deletion

Hi

Please advise why deletion, we are not trying to promote the company just put down its significance of a leading eCommerce and online retialing company founded in 1999

please let me know how to reword it and i will, again we simply want on Record Simple Net and it's contribution to the online industry. This company was one of the first to create a CMS called iCreate, before the (i) before anything was popular.

Kevin Paterson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paterson78 (talk • contribs) 03:48, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)"significance of a leading eCommerce and online retialing company" - that's the kind of language that Wikipedia considers promotional and unwanted. I'd have to look at your specific article to give you advice (that'll have to go to an admin like Acroterion).--Jasper Deng (talk) 03:55, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

The version I deleted made no assertion of significance, it just spoke of a web design firm in Melbourne. Please review WP:CORP for notability of companies, and provide third-party references to substantiate notability. If the company was a pioneer in online commerce or the use of (i) in front of a word, it should be documentable by reference to mentions in major media. You can work on it in User:Paterson78/sandbox. Acroterion (talk) 11:34, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

T.A. Moulton Barn

At the Grand Teton NP FAC page, PumpkinSky has brought up an interesting query as to the Moulton barn. Looking things over, I see that there are two, one built by Thomas Moulton and another built by John Moulton (his brother?) and the two are a little more than a quarter mile from each other. I'll try to link you to articles I've found later, but the important thing is, do we have the right image for the T.A. Moulton Barn as depicted in the infobox at the Grand Teton NP article or is this actually the John Moulton Barn? here's one link...MONGO 11:53, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Even the linked page is confusing. I'll take a look at the National Register photographs - they should tell the story. Acroterion (talk) 12:09, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

It's the John Moulton barn, not the T.A. Moulton barn. See [5] (332 images, be prepared for a wait while it's downloading). John's barn is a gambrel-roofed structure with shed extensions on either side (images 229-234), Thomas's barn is a straight gable-roofed building with two shed extensions (images 193-196). I'll check a couple of other places, but I'm fairly certain. Acroterion (talk) 12:24, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

HABS shows the T.A. Moulton barn as a straight gable [6], no HABS image for the John Moulton place, but I'm satisfied it's not the "T.A. Moulton" barn in any case. Acroterion (talk) 12:32, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

It appears that we have the Moulton family to thank for the confusion - the image is properly described, but it was used for an article created by Moultondj describing the T. A. Moulton Barn as the "most photographed barn in the United States." I'll sort though all this in a little while and get the article moved when I'm satisfied about sourcing. Acroterion (talk) 12:37, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

I'll have to check this out this evening...my blackberry will vapor lock...thank you so much for helping on this issue...feel free to chime in at FAC if you so desire.MONGO 14:19, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Super job! I wasn't trying to pawn this matter off on you, but you're better at the historical sites stuff and certainly with architecture and straightening this out must have been an interesting thing to achieve, small in scope, but nevertheless quite important. Thanks!--MONGO 01:54, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Happy to do it, it is my field, after all. I leave the geology in your hands. One well-meaning user inserted the John Moulton barn image into the T.A. Moulton barn article. At some point another well-meaning IP removed it with the correct rationale, but got reverted. Now all I need to do is go out there and get a picture of the T.A. Moulton barn, standing in line with the other photographers at daybreak - apparently there can be a crowd. Acroterion (talk) 03:04, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Good News and question

Hello- I have just started to create my 900+ article here on Wikipedia and I am very m,uch enjoying contributing. However, I have a question: Is there a toll that would allow me to see if an artcile about an unincorporated community does or does NOT have GNIS data????? I have noted that there are a few hundred articles that could probably have this added and supply a legitimate reference. ANY help you could provide would be most appreciatedCoal town guy (talk) 14:17, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad you're having fun - that's what's supposed to happen, but all too often doesn't. Congratulations in advance on article 1000!

AutoWikiBrowser might be configurable to check for an absence of a particular field, though I have no experience with setting it up and can't help with technical advice on that front. You might want to ask at the AWB talkpage first. You'll need admin permission to use it, which I can obviously grant if you wish. Acroterion (talk) 16:50, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks kindly, let me check it out first and I would be MOST grateful at getting that permission. I have this feeling that there are ALOT of unincorporated places that are lacking this dataCoal town guy (talk) 16:57, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

LOTS of reading to do, AND Thanks!!!Coal town guy (talk) 17:11, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

LantixPro

Umm Why did you delete it? I like it! Why? Was there something whrong with it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jehjehwiki123 (talk • contribs) 22:10, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Because there was no indication that the website was notable: see WP:NOTE and WP:WEB. Subjects must document notability for inclusion on Wikipedia. Acroterion (talk) 22:42, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Page deletion

Im really not sure why the page I created continues to get deleted (80stees.com). I took out any information that would make it promotional and changed the page completely. For now, I just put basic information about the company I also used a bunch of references so everything can be cited. Please give me feedback, so I know how to make a page that won't get deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Katemm88 (talk • contribs) 14:32, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Replied on user's talkpage. Acroterion (talk) 14:52, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Anodupon

Who were they? How had I offended them? --Orange Mike | Talk 17:56, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

I think it's one of several banned users who like to fool with admin userpage and user talk formatting. See this [7] for an example. I just block them and let God sort them out. I'm sure your mere existence at WP is the problem, and maybe your wardrobe. Acroterion (talk) 18:09, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Oldy, but a Goody

Hey, I have a real issue here and seek your guidance. The town of Oz, in KY, has as you note 2 (two letters). Its NOT in GNIS because, it has 2 (two letters). SO, I got the location opn a mapping perogram ??(which I did reference) and converted the lat and long to the system GNIS uses and got a legitinate location in LaRue County KY. It JUST SO HAPPENS that I have a few uinincorporated town names that have 2 (two letters). Is this a method one could employ? I have noted a good faith attempt and exoplained that indeed that is the town name.Coal town guy (talk) 20:36, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

So I found the GNIS listing for Oz and added it to the article (it's actually in McCreary County). If you need to find any other 2 letter community names and you know what county they're in, you can do a search for every populated place in the county and go through the list until you find the community. It's annoying, but as far as I know it's the only way to find two-letter names. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 02:07, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

THANKS!! I had a relative from Oz, they recalled a PO in Larue, but that made no sense, LaRue is too far north? Oh well. There are a few other, it should be a GAS to find it. MUCH appreciatedCoal town guy (talk) 03:26, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Messed up moves

Hi: Wondering if you could help me. I messed up and mistakenly moved William F. Johnson to William F. Johnson (Massachusetts) and William F. Johnston to William F. Johnston (Pennsylvania). Is there an easy way to undo the moves? Please advise.--Pubdog (talk) 19:52, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

I assume you missed the additional T (as I did when I first looked)? I'd just move them back over the redirect, which should require no special permissions. Acroterion (talk) 20:00, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

It worked ... thanks!--Pubdog (talk) 09:07, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Civility Barnstar
	Your welcoming and help have helped me create over 1000 articles on Wikipedia. I VERY much appreciate the advice and trust given. LOTS of folks did not agree with small unincorporated places getting a page. BUT YOU, helped out. Many thanks Coal town guy (talk) 13:45, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad we could get you started: we West Virginians have to stick together! Acroterion (talk) 14:17, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

tuned anvils/ emil richards collection

Hi, I personally interviewed Emil Richards about his Emil Richards Collection and the instruments within it. I put the information from the interview on our website, http://lapercussionrentals.com/infopage_erc.html . I am referencing it on the tuned anvils article and it still says that "This article does not cite any references or sources." Am I doing this wrong? Thanks for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xylosmygame (talk • contribs) 19:21, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Well, I'd say "not referenced" is a stretch, but there are too many references to your website and the Richards site: Wikipedia prefers to see independent sourcing, both to establish notability (as defined by notice by prominent, reputable third parties) and to provide verifiablity. See WP:NOTE, WP:RS and WP:V for the relevant policies. Since Wikipedia is a tertiary source, it relies on previously published secondary sources. Your interview with Richards is considered primary sourcing, which tends to be discouraged as not verifiable. You also are working with a conflict of interest, which while not prohibited, means that you have to be very careful about avoiding promotion: see WP:COI for that policy. It's a good reason to avoid references to your website, as it may be taken as promotion. Can you find sources that don't rely on your website or on Richards, preferably in major media?

All that said, I find the concept of tuned anvils rather charming, and think the subject is worthy of inclusion: the references just need to be improved by use of secondary references. See WP:PRIMARY for a longer discussion on primary, secondary and tertiary sourcing. Acroterion (talk) 21:22, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

LAPercRentals (talk · contribs)

Hello, I noticed you blocked LAPercRentals (talk · contribs), that user "created" Xylosmygame (talk · contribs), and is editing with that name now. What is up with all that? I did not know one user could create another user. Thanks.--UnQuébécois (talk) 22:25, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

It's a feature, not a bug :) If we leave the "block account creation" box unchecked, a new account can be created from an existing account that's logged in, but blocked. It's usual to permit that when the only issue is the username. Acroterion (talk) 01:26, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Your revert

Hello.

I would like to kindly request reconsideration of your revert (see link above). I had reinstated an edit removed based on a misunderstanding of a previous editor. The other IP user had replaced somebody else's comment with his own, and, when I attempted to take care of it, somebody had already reverted the edit, resulting in the old comment being restored and the new comment, which the IP editor posted (and removed the other comment in the process) being removed. Please browse the diffs starting from here. In my opinion, the edit was made in good faith. I restored the comment. The editor appeared to be legitimately inquiring about a deletion or revert. I reposted and signed it. I had noticed that you have reverted my edit. Please note that I have not at all made my edit in bad faith, and that I have never made bad faith edits to Wikipedia. I have been editing since 2008, had an account, but do not use it anymore since I am quite retired. I had a clean record and had never been blocked from editing. I do not know if it is possible to have those entries removed from the block log, since blocks count against an editor's reputation and I have not made any bad faith edits.

Please let me know if you have any further questions regarding this incident. Thanks in advance. 69.155.128.40 (talk) 03:22, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Given the nature of the deleted content they wanted reinstated and the nature of the edits by multiple IPs that were clearly evading a block on the parent account, I have reverted back to the last good version based on WP:DENY and WP:RBI. Those were bad-faith comments, verging on harassment. I've blocked both IPs. I don't question your good faith, but please don't feed the trolls. Acroterion (talk) 03:25, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Thank you for the information. I hope to make it clear that I was unaware of the big picture, and that I had not made my edit in bad faith, but in good faith (even though I now see that it was misguided). Do you believe that it is reasonable to request removal of the entries from the block log since I did not make any bad faith edits? 69.155.128.40 (talk) 03:28, 15 June 2012 (UTC), last modified 03:31, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we can't expunge block logs, but a clean log is overrated and I'll happily own up to my mistake (for that's what it was) at any time. The black mark's against me, not you. I can momentary re-block and then unblock with a better rationale if you want. Acroterion (talk) 03:33, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment and willingness to help. We all do make mistakes. I believe that it is possible to request an oversight of log entries. I'll send in an e-mail and see if they can do that. I'll provide information and some links, including to this post for their information. If they cannot, I can request a 0-second block to add a note to the log. I'll get back to you later. Thank you. 69.155.128.40 (talk) 03:35, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

There was a recent ANI thread about oversight refusing to remove a log entry since it was simply an admin's mistake, but your mieage may vary. Let me know either way. Acroterion (talk) 03:37, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Will do. It's worth sending an e-mail. 69.155.128.40 (talk) 03:41, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

UPDATE: Hello. I sent in an e-mail and this request is unfortunately not doable under the oversight policy. You may leave a note in the block log using a 0-second block. Thank you. 69.155.128.40 (talk) 04:06, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Done: carry on, and sorry for the inconvenience. Acroterion (talk) 04:15, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

cutie look kitten!! Shekinah18 (talk) 02:20, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

a tea is might be good to you're health!!...... Shekinah18 (talk) 02:21, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Your deleted article

Hi!
On 18 November 2008 (at 17:47) you deleted article Gurvinder Singh with reason (A7 (bio): No indication that the article may meet guidelines for inclusion).
I was planning to create a stub-article for a Punjabi-language film director of same name. His film Anhe Ghore Da Daan won him National Film Award for Best Direction at the latest 59th National Film Awards. Was the deleted article about the same person? (I doubt that.) But thought maybe you could retrieve it back in user space or sandbox or whichever way you admins do that. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 06:40, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

No, it was different Gurvinder Singh (a teen-ager in the UK), and it was in part an attack article written by his, erm, friends. The director is obviously notable, so feel free to write an article in its place. Acroterion (talk) 11:34, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Oh i see! Thanks! §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 11:40, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

RevDelete request

Hey Acroterion, is it possible to delete this edit summary. The IP address was warned on their talk page about avoiding personal attacks. Thanks. -- Luke (Talk) 17:35, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Revdel'd, current IP blocked and articles (re)protected, now for three months. Charming way of interacting this IP has. Acroterion (talk) 18:11, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Community Education Centers

A new editor has appeared to delete most of the content of this page. My internet is going up and down and I will be unable to do my bit this evening. Kindly look at my work, as I am the only contributor to the page, and tell me if it looks OK to you. I also value any action you might take in regards of protecting this page. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 16:11, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Community Education Centers

I am asking your assistance with not permitting the biased version of Community Education Centers to remain in Wikipedia. For some reason, this individual has taken to defining a company that has been treating offenders for some years with effective results (I can send cites, if you like) based on a recent series of NY Times articles.

What I would appreciate is that you take any definition down of Community Education Centers until this matter can be resolved. What the original poster put up for a definition of Community Education Centers is very biased and one-sided. I would hope that Wikipedia will consider my concerns. I would also be more than happy to post an edit summary if that would help.

I am new to Wikipedia, but was appalled to read the writer's definition of the company. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrink55 (talk • contribs) 16:45, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

THe article is a mess, the citations are gone, much content is missing and so on. I am unwilling to restore it lest I engage in an revert war. It needs your attention, and it probably needs me to ignore it for at least 12 hours. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 16:59, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

I've directed the other user to the article talkpage, and it's best to leave it be until the other user accounts for their edits and describes their concerns in greater detail. Acroterion (talk) 17:08, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

RezBoyzBroductionz

Hey Acroterion,look i was just wanting to know that it is a Facebook page ran by my friend. If you let me recreate the article i will add a link to it. Please tell me what i did wrong so i can correct it. Thank You. Epiclegend001 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Epiclegend001 (talk • contribs) 17:30, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Unless you can indicate that the subject complies with notability guidelines by reference to two or three substantial articles in major media, I'm afraid it will have to stay deleted. Acroterion (talk) 18:01, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

GOCE July 2012 Copy Edit Drive

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Sawtooth Valley image

Beautiful...had I seen the process, I would have supported it as a Commons featured image like all the others did. Nice job!--MONGO 03:15, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

I didn't see it either until I was notified that it was promoted. I should probably put it up here on WP too, since it's used in three articles. Acroterion (talk) 03:19, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

good idea...this is not your first featured pictured either...so its already established that you do great photography.MONGO 17:38, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Re: your edit summary - I have no featured articles, waaah. We do what we can. Acroterion (talk) 17:49, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

The User:Acroterion/GRTE page will need refs of course...perhaps GNIS data will suffice for the geographical points.--MONGO 00:08, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm sure we can reference it suitably, but maybe not this evening. We have no power as a result of the big storms of last night, and I doubt we'll have it back before Monday. On generator power, with the internet running through my smartphone, since the cable repeater up the street is dead too. Acroterion (talk) 00:49, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Wow...I am usually well up to date on the weather, but missed this. With the heat there, I sure hope they get the power back on soon!--MONGO 04:32, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Compass Healthcare Marketers

Hello,

I'm confused as to why this was deleted. It is very similar to this company page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siren_interactive Please let me know how I can update to make the page acceptable or also remove the Siren_Interactive page as well.

Thank you.

tgraham83 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tgraham83 (talk • contribs) 13:32, 29 June 2012 (UTC)