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Hi fellow Wikipedian, and a warm welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you have enjoyed editing as much as I did so far and decide to stay. Unfamiliar with the features and workings of Wikipedia? Don't fret! Be Bold! Here's some good links for your reference and that'll get you started in no time!

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Pageant pages

Hi Brian :) Just a note as well as a welcome - it's neat to see someone else putting some effort (and thought) into pageant pages. No big deal about the Miss USA template... one thing that's good about wikipedia is that people will always keep an eye on pages that interest them and collaborating as a group we can all help to improve things.

I was thinking about starting a wikiproject dedicated to improving pageant-related articles, as there are a few others on here (Thivierr (who goes by the name of Rob) and Joey80 being two I have had good dealings with in the past (as well as the ever-helpful Blnguyen)). If you might be interested in joining such a project you can check out the List of proposed projects, and if you would like more information (or if you ever need help) feel free to leave me a message.

Happy editing! -- PageantUpdater 01:14, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

WP Conventions

Hello and thanks for the welcome message! Also, a quick question. I'm doing a little housecleaning and am too new to know your/the community's preferences. If I see a name to clarify, I don't know if it is best to create a redirect or to use a piped link. Example: for Eurlyne/Arlene Howell, I think I actually did both. Now I have noticed that Erica Marie Commeau (Miss Maine USA 2005) has a page without her middle name, but don't know if it is better to pipe or create a redirect. I would appreciate some direction. Thanks!!!

Hi Brian... when it comes to full names (as in the example above) its probably best just to get rid of the middle name (this can get tricky in pageantry where names are often used in full where they are not used in full in common usage). As for Erica Commeau... that was probably my fault! What you did with Eurlyne/Arlene Howell was perfect -- just what I would have done had I picked up on it. There's no hard and fast rule but I'd say that if you can prevent a redirect by piping... go for it (or simply by chopping out the middle name as suggested).
Finally, one other thing, don't forget to sign off with four tildes (~~~~) when you reply on talk pages so your name and the date are stamped :) -- PageantUpdater 02:14, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


I have copied the below from Wikipedia:Help_desk and was hoping to get some additional help here.

Hello, I have a few questions about redirects. These can be best represented by these 2 examples which I can then extrapolate to similar circumstances.
For the redirect page from Kenny Brack to Kenny Bräck, is it appropriate for me to add {{R from title without diacritics}} and also to update pages which currently use this link to point directly to the redirect target?
For the redirect page from Sam Hornish Jr. to Sam Hornish, Jr., I have the same basic question, but I do not know the correct redirect template to use. Is it appropriate for me to add one at your suggestion and also to update pages which currently use this link to point directly to the redirect target?
Thanks for your help. --After Midnight 00:45, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I think all of your questions are answered at Wikipedia:Redirect. The short version is: yes, no, R from alternate spelling, and no. -- Rick Block (talk) 04:27, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
OK. So, I looked at Wikipedia:Redirect and it seems to imply that pages should not be updated unless they are unprintworthy redirects, but if I am seeing correctly, both R from title without diacritics and R from alternate spelling are unprintworthy and on the template page for R from title without diacritics, it says "Other pages using this link should be updated to replace text with the redirect target ". Could you please clarify?
Generally, you should not fix links to redirects unless their they are to a misspelling or other unprintworthy redirect. This means, for example, you should fix a link to Microsfot, but not one to Microsoft Corporation (both redirect to Microsoft). - Tangotango 14:21, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

IRL related articles

I just wanted to say you're doing a great job adding all the IRL articles that I've been too lazy to get to. I created the category IRL drivers and started populating it and at the time only maybe 40-50 driver articles existed. Later I created all the IRL season articles for seasons 1996-2003. I find it amazing that wikipedia is coming close to having a nearly complete guide to IRL history considering that less than a year ago it was a disorganized smattering of articles. -Drdisque 05:57, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for saying Hi. Your note motivated me to create a user page for myself to show some of my history. I've noticed that you often find an article that I have created soon afterwards and make some edits on it. I am curious, how do you know it is there? Do you have a method for knowing when an article gets created or do you just know your pages so well that you can spot when a link changes from Red to Blue? I do have several that I've created that you haven't edited, perhaps because you haven't seen them, or perhaps because you had nothing to add, but I do keep track of all of them, so if you want a list, just let me know.--After Midnight 19:51, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
All of the IRL seasons are in my watchlist and as you go back in time through them you commonly edit them. When you do I know you've been editting and check your contributions list to see what else you've been up to. I have seen every article in Category:IRL drivers, including all your new ones. The ones I haven't editted are ones where I don't have anything to add, usually because I don't know what the guy is up to these days. -Drdisque 03:34, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Re:WP Fields

Hey Brian, thanks for giving me a heads up on WP Fields. Since the speedy delete didn't go through, this time I nominated it for deletion using AfD, and you can view the voting page here. I'm not an administrator, so there's not much more I can do at this point. However, there is conclusive evidence that this article is a hoax, so I'm confident it will get deleted in a few days. Fabricationary 17:43, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

On "co" label

I agree with you, but I've known necessity in the modern racing world to explain the nature of the 500, wherein the car is winning entry, rather than, necessarily, the driver. If one starts and the other finishes the race, they would be co-winners...instead of just one or the other, and then edits coming in due to people thinking they know the "true winner, instead of this being incorrect," etc. A lot of that could be possible on wikipedia, at least so far as I've seen on several pages. --Chr.K. 06:05, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

That context helps some, thanks. I thought that I had addressed it in the body of the article (if that stub I created can be called a body), but I can see how your note makes it more clear than I had done. To be consistent, do you want to make any similar changes to Joe Boyer, Floyd Davis and Mauri Rose? --After Midnight 13:41, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I would find that constructive. On the whole, my methodology is to try to educate those who don't understand "classical" auto racing, i.e. open-wheel and sportscar, and how things have developed much the same way as the English distance system has, i.e. catch-as-catch-can...and to concentrate information, when in list form, for ease of use for some who want this or that kind of info in particular, even if it's being repeated in the same article. On the pole-winners of the Race for instance, there's the primary list of the winners themselves, but lower, there's a list of each year that there was a new one. All those little times people need to ask Donald whether this or that has happened, or how many new of "this and that" there have been, I for one would like to make a permanent list for perusal. Anyway...yes, it should probably be mentioned that Corum, Boyer, Davis and Rose are thus far the only co-winners of the event...and for that matter that Corum and Davis won without leading a lap, something that made it into the Indianapolis 500 Chronicle as a backstory piece. --Chr.K. 05:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: User talk page restore

An excellent question. The page in question wasn't restored by an administrator; rather, it was re-created with the same template by the user. I'm not certain what the proper action is here. I actually think that user talk pages should not be deleted when users leave Wikipedia. You might contact the original deleting administrator to let him know the page has been restored and ask why it was deleted in the first place. In general, you should nominated user pages on Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion, but in this case I'd probably check with the involved administrators for assistance. I don't feel strongly about it either way, which is why I haven't touched the page, but I don't know all the facts, either. Hope this helps! — Knowledge Seeker 10:23, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

You're quite welcome. You handled the situation very appropriately. I hope you will contact me in the future if you ever have other questions. — Knowledge Seeker 05:48, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm confused about you wanting to delete my entry.

How you you delete it? I've BEEN trying. I figured since there was pages like: and MANY more that simply explains company and what's it about etc. I would start one also. Seems it offends. Also I noticed other links were moved up in the blackberry page so figured it was practice. I wanted to replace my current about site page to use wikipedia. I guess my bad. I have about page as a direct link to but had to remove with the big delete notice there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crackberry (talkcontribs) 18:43, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Binaca Geetmala 1971 AfD

Thanks for being so reasonable! Systemic bias is a bit of a problem. You're right, sometimes it isnt until an AfD that people actually notice articles that desperately need cleaning up, and more context.Hornplease 06:25, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Solution possible today?

Thanks for the quick response Brian. All I would like is for the page to be restored or deleted today. How can i remove it? I'm very new to this. Can you have the page removed as soon as possible. I posted the wiki link in our forums and even though I deleted, many users are still going to wiki and asking about this whole delete issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crackberry (talkcontribs) 10:21, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Reply posted at User talk:Crackberry --After Midnight 12:52, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Brenda Venus

Hello hello

I saw your edits to the Brenda venus page and I have commented on the talk page. I dont think it was a beauty contest but a fitness one but I could be totally wrong but such is life ;) (The Green Fish 10:22, 17 July 2006 (UTC))

Thanks for the note. If you can get verification of what it was exactly then I would say repost it with some additional clarity. --After Midnight 12:52, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


Thanks very much for your note. It looks like it has been taken care of by another administrator today. Were there other things which I could help you with? --HappyCamper 02:27, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

You are welcome. I don't have anything that I need help with right now, but I'll remember you in the future if I do. Thanks --After Midnight 02:33, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Sarah Fisher

Hi Brian- I added the information to your website and did not copy it. I am the webmaster for Sarah Fisher and I wrote it on her website and I added it to yours...

If you need to double check, you can email me at <e-mail address removed> to confirm and I can reply from there...It is also listed on the bottom of the first page of her website...

I appreciate you making sure people are not copying...So, once you check it can you add the info back?

Thx K —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dfointadfdlkr (talkcontribs) 13:18, 18 July 2006) (UTC)

Klint, I have read your message and hope to be able to get back to you shortly. --After Midnight 15:48, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Famous members of Red Sox Nation

I was going to put this on cfd, similar to the recent discussions on "notable hockey" and "notable baseball" fans, both of which appear headed towards deletion. Before I did, I checked the talk page and found a link to Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 June 23#Category:Famous members of Red Sox Nation. Should this one be left alone or is it reasonable to list it at cfd again? --After Midnight 11:01, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I suggest waiting to see and if the parent category is deleted, and if it is, renominating using that as a precedent. Chicheley 12:04, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Resolving Copyright

I apologize; I was away from Wikipedia for a couple days. Good job on finding the copying-and-pasting—we always have to be vigilant for copyright violations. The copyright holder has two options. One, he may add a notice to the site of publication, releasing the contents under the GFDL. Or, (and it sounds like this will be preferable), he may send an e-mail to permissions at wikimedia dot org from the appropriate domain. To be honest, I am not certain what happens next, but I assume that whoever handles that e-mail address would make a note on the talk page or something. If you don't hear from them in a few days, perhaps you could try e-mailing them yourself. See the third paragraph of WP:CP for more information (well, actually, there isn't really any more information there, but it's where you can confirm what I'm telling you). Let me know if you have any problems, OK? — Knowledge Seeker 04:19, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


Sorry, forgot about the exception. I'll be more careful with those. --After Midnight 16:57, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Not a problem. Thanks!  :) —Wknight94 (talk) 16:58, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Dilana text and Image

Agreed ... I scammed the text from the RS:N site .. but only till I could write up one myself. I will work on writing my own "Dilana Bio", and will post it when complete.

As far as the image goes .. I took that picture myself, and I thought I selected that when I uploaded it, but I guess not. Maybe you could shed some light on how to correct this, so that doesn't get nuked to? Thanks! TxPreacher 01:06, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Replied at User talk:TxPreacher#Dilana Robichaux text copyright --After Midnight 01:53, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Livewire (game)

I have deleted the image, since the consensus at the article's AFD would almost surely hold for the image as well, and as you point out, it doesn't really have anywhere to go. (ESkog)(Talk) 15:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


If someone moves the page, he should update all the links. If he does not wish to do so, instead of moving the page himself, he may suggest the move on Wikipedia:Requested moves (always a good idea, anyway). In fact, I prefer moves to be announced and discussed rather than being done on a user's whim. That being said, since the user is continuing in this behavior, I would be happy to work with him. Let me know if I can help. — Knowledge Seeker 09:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[[Texas Rangers]]

You can go ahead and work on the Texas Rangers if you want. I was until I saw your comment saying you were about to work on it, so I stopped. You can do it, I've moved on to The Sunday Times now. Sorry to move you away from the Rangers. Metros232 03:19, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Consult on "circa"

I think your idea sounds good. As long as the new circa entry is encyclopedic enough that it doesn't seem like it should only be in Wiktionary, all should be good. Having the example of Floruit is a good one, that seems encyclopedic enough. -- Natalya 18:45, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

There's no need to apologize! I was glad to take care of it - I've worked with disambiguation pages quite a lot, so I've had some practice. I'm sure you'll have it down in no time. :) If you want to find out more, you can take a look at MoS:DP. -- Natalya 23:12, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Pete Burns and fair use images

Hello, taking a look at the article in question I would say that the image is not being used in a manner that's fair use, because the image isn't being used to illustrate discussion about the album itself.

To get rid of the image, just remove the image from the article, leaving a descriptive edit summary (e.g. "Removing image that is not fair use in this context"). If people object (which they usually don't), discuss the removal on the talk page and/or the discussion page for WP:FU.

Once the image has been removed from the article, it will eventually automatically be tagged as an orphan (if it is) and deleted.

Hope this helps, JYolkowski // talk 14:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Sports Car Racing

Due to your involvement in some Wiki pages that regard sports car racing of some sort, I would like to ask for you to look into the proposed WikiProject for Sports Car Racing. Any help you may have to offer to the project will be greatly appreciated. The359 03:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

USA Team

Things were getting quickly out of control. I was about to hand the block for the word a*hole (especially since he used the f-word before) but I chose to warn first and then shoot. :) Sebastian Kessel Talk 20:44, 8 August 2006 (UTC) PS: Let me know if it starts again. Sebastian Kessel Talk 20:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Transformers World 2005

That should do it. Sebastian Kessel Talk 15:06, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

PS: Check the AFD page too.


Hi Brian. Looks like I errantly only deleted one revision on the image. User:Goldom deleted the other today. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 22:35, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Master Coiner

Just exactly who dies to make you boss editor of Wikipedia? Zana Dark 16:36, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I am sorry if you are unhappy with my listing of Coiner at the AFD process. Please remember that the deletion process is about the appropriateness of the article for inclusion in Wikipedia. A deletion nomination is not a rejection of the author or an attack on his/her value as a member of the Wikipedia community. Therefore, please do not take personally a nomination of an article you've worked on. The process will run its course so that the community can decide if the article will be kept or deleted. My opinion alone will not decide its fate. Please feel free to follow the link on the article to the discussion where you can make your case for its inclusion. Regards --After Midnight (Talk) 23:54, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to VandalProof!

Hi, After Midnight/Archive 1, thank you for applying for VandalProof. I am happy to announce that you are now authorized for use, so if you haven't already, simply download VandalProof from our main page and install it, and you're all set!

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VandalProof (latest version)

Hi Brian! Thanks for your message, thats fantastic news! I've just approved you for the new VP v1.3 which is not yet out but we are giving selected users the beta download. If you'd like to try simply download these 3 files; [1] , [2], [3] and place them in the folder you have your current version in. If you use firefox you may need to rename the first file and add .exe to the end as it cuts it off for some reason. Thanks again, and let me know what you think (it is a little different - but MUCH faster!) Enjoy! - Glen 19:06, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Oops, my bad. Found the problem, the link is actually VandalProof 130.exe with a space rather than an underscore - problem is that wikipedia will automatically show that incorrectly due to the space so I inserted the underscore so the link didn't break. Hang on - try this; - hopefully will work! Sorry 'bout that! - GIen 22:37, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Coiner blanked

Hi Brian! Thanks for the heads up! Like you, I don't know if this is purposeful disruption or just inexperience, so I have reverted the blanking and left a "please don't do that again" message. —Stormie 21:21, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


Hi -- I was also trying to revert that same vandalism; if you take a look at the page history you'll see I did not initiate that addition. I'm using VandalProof, and it appears it's not correctly reverting this page with the edit conflict -- it reverted the edit after the displayed one. You can also take a look at the talk page of the other editor, User talk:Tmopkisn, where I've left a note asking him if he is going to complete the revert. I'd appreciate it if you would remove the test1 template from my talk page, if you agree I wasn't vandalizing. Thanks. Mike Christie (talk) 23:43, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Yep. Thanks! Mike Christie (talk) 23:44, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
No problem. As you can see, with all of us working fast, I also was removing it at the same time you were asking. Note, I also put a nice edit summary there so no one should question you. --After Midnight (Talk) 23:46, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


No it's not done automatically so taking care of that now for ya :) - GIen 11:39, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Can you try using VP and see if that worked for me? It seems since my name change (yes I know I'm still using "GIen" however take a look at my contributions - all 300 of them - they've all been transferred to my "new" user name - which hasnt been given sysop rights nor even exist - long story) Anyway, I had to add you manually... hopefully it worked. Let me know please - thanks! - GIen 11:54, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
Re monobook - done :) - GIen 13:53, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes sorry

Im just trying to get hold of AmiDaniel as the 1.3 pages are encycpted! And I believe Im the only mod for 1.3 - though Ill check that too - sorry for the delay! - GIen 02:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks - its actually more that AmiDaniels just started uni again and he's never here! :) - GIen 03:12, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

re: San Diego Chargers

Actually, it was I who protected that article due to the edit war. It seems that the dispute is between two registered users and a bunch of dynamic IP addresses over a paragraph about the upcoming 2006 season. So far I have basically ignored the talk page; they just seem to be venting. Of course, actually blocking those IP addresses are futile because they are dynamic; those users can basically get a new, fresh IP just by logging in and logging out of their respective ISPs.

As far as additional administrative action, I know that one of the registered users tried to evade the protection by creating a duplicate page called "San Diego Chargerss", and this ultimately led to him removing warning messages on his talk page about it (see WP:ANI#User:Ohnoitsjamie).

Quite frankly, unless I see some sort of resolution between the parties, I am just sitting on it until the 2006 season actually starts and the paragraph becomes obsolete. If you would like some other admin to help out, be my guest. I have considered other options such as WP:RFC and WP:RFAR, but by the time either one has run its course, the 2006 season will already be in progress. Regards. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 01:18, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

  • Of course, I might unprotected it for a little while after the opening September 11 game against the Raiders concludes. A number of other users may want to update it, and that new content also may make that disputed paragraph obsolete. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 01:25, 1 September 2006 (UTC)