User talk:Agathoclea

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MSU Interview[edit]

Dear Agathoclea,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:

  • Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
  • Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
  • All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
  • All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
  • The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.


Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 04:08, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Ralph Offenhouse[edit]

I am confused. Please let me know why this article is encyclopaedic. Danflave (talk) 08:10, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

HighBeam Research promotion[edit]

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Please let me know if you have any questions, thoughts, comments, concerns, ideas, or otherwise. Awesome to have your help! Ocaasi t | c 17:42, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Help us develop better software![edit]

Thanks to all of you for commenting on the NOINDEX RfC :). It's always great to be able to field questions like these to the community; it's genuinely the highlight of my work! The NOINDEX idea sprung from our New Page Triage discussion; we're developing a new patrolling interface for new articles, and we want your input like never before :). So if you haven't already seen it, please go there, take a look at the screenshots and mockups and ideas, and add any comments or suggestions you might have to the talkpage. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 16:45, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Applications for free, full access, 1-year accounts from HighBeam Research officially open[edit]

The applications for 1000 free accounts is now officially open until April 9th. I have the account codes in my email box and we are ready to go. This week's main goal is promotion. Several editors have already done a great job of getting the word out, but there is still time to make sure people don't miss out on the opportunity. Please tell your Wikipedia friends, WikiProjects, non-English Wikipedias, and anywhere else you think people would benefit from knowing. You can record your progress at WP:HighBeam/Promotion where we're keeping track of all of the notifications. Thanks so much for your help! I'll keep you posted. Cheers, Ocaasi t | c 20:47, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


Hi, thanks, yes but these aren't real interwiki links. i.e. these are not links to existant interwiki articles, only notes that a related article exists - for example in Ganga Prasad Pradhan there is no bio article in Newari wp, but there is an article about the Newari newspaper he founded. ‎Normally such notes would, as you correctly say, only be found on the Talk page, however in this case (perhaps naughtily, but with good intent) referencing diagonally. Is there a better way? In ictu oculi (talk) 14:12, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Ganga Prasad Pradhan[edit]

Durbar-seller.jpg Newari people biography random award
Thanks for that, bit of a fudgy edit on my part In ictu oculi (talk) 16:01, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for helping make Wikipedia better. Enjoy your research! Cheers, Ocaasi t | c 20:30, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons[edit]

Beyoncé Knowles GMA 2011 cropped.jpg Invitation to diacritics guideline discussion at WT:BLP
Hi, you were one of 100+ Users who has commented on a living person Requested Move featuring diacritics (e.g. the é in Beyoncé Knowles) in the last 30 days. Following closure of Talk:Stephane Huet RM, a tightening of BLP guidelines is proposed. Your contribution is invited to WT:BLP to discuss drafting a proposal for tightening BLP accuracy guidelines for names. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:04, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Feel free to duplicate this invite on the pages of others who have commented, for or against. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:08, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Geschwister Scholl[edit]

Thanks for your input at Talk:Geschwister Scholl last week; although it didn't help. I don't see the point of having a "Requested Move" if the move is going to be made in spite of opposition anyway. Seufz. Jared Preston (talk) 13:47, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

There is a new trend for admins these days to decide by fiat against consensus. Agathoclea (talk) 18:24, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Wagner categories etc.[edit]

Hi, I don't think WP:Wagner existed back then and the Opera Wiki project didn't do article ratings until after a pilot by the Wagner project once it going.--Peter cohen (talk) 19:52, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

United States Senate election in Connecticut, 2012[edit]

Hello, Agathoclea! I just wanted to drop a note to let you know why I reverted the WPUS tag on this article: it's already covered by the CT & US Congress projects, but moreover it is a local (CT, not national) election and is therefore not within the scope of WPUS. I am happy to discuss the matter further if you like. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 13:40, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I did a doublecheck on the scope and it includes regional items and is quite in line with a large number of similar items already tagged for WPUS, but I will leave a notice on the projectpage for input from other members. Agathoclea (talk) 13:45, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
I also checked to see if you are a member of WP:USA and can't find you as a member - you are aware I hope, that Wikiprojects can decide their own scope and an article being within the scope of another project does not preclude it being in another. Agathoclea (talk) 14:01, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
As a point of order, the local project always takes presidence for any article.
Of course I'm not a member of the WPUS, except by their terms that "anyone that edits a WPUS article is automatically a member".
Actually, there is no rule about removing other projects from an article. Yes, really. This has been an ongoing issue with WPUS and other projects and was the flashpoint of the recent Kumioko drama. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 14:15, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
There may not be a written rule thats true but its generally considered uncivil to do it. I also have never heard that the local project automatically takes precedence. I would instead counter that any project can tag any article they feel is in their scope and the projects that tag the article should try to work together to help improve the article rather than fight over who "owns" or "takes precedence" over it. I know I have said that to you at least 4 or 5 times in the past. Kumioko (talk) 14:55, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
You can consider it uncivil, I consider it reversion of overtagging.
Re: local taking presidence. It was posted in one of your myriad conversations to admins during "the late unplesantness", though I don't recall exactly where. I suppose I could dig it up, but I'd have thought you'd have remembered it.
I'd love to not argue over this. It's a colosal waste of time. Just like (and I point this out for the nth time) if I created Wikiproject: Milky Way Galaxy and tagged everything on Wikipeida for it. Yes, you have said it 4 or 5 times. And every time, you've left the discussion in a huff after I've pointed out why I disagree with you. That's why this keeps on coming up. With multiple editors. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 15:24, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Your continual posts of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT aside. This project will never be that big. So far, including every piece of content we have 301, 000. Thats including categories, redirects, files, everything. Articles are like 85, 000. Far less than WPBiography at almost a million articles or even WPMILHIST at about 200, 000 articles so its not nearly as epic as you make it sound. Your continued example about WikiProject MilkyWay Galaxy is just nonsensical hyperbole. Kumioko (talk) 15:38, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

ClueBot III – Arrow Air Flight 1285 Article[edit]

Thanks for fixing the archive bot. Close to 100% of the time it does work normal and archive correctly. In this case I suppose it didn't work properly and I appreciate you picking up on this and fixing the issue. Adamdaley (talk) 01:33, 19 May 2012 (UTC)


Hi. Thanks for commenting. I left you a followup question there. - jc37 14:44, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

And another question. - jc37 15:12, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
and responded again. - jc37 20:04, 23 May 2012 (UTC)


Request for Deletion[edit]

Please delete the article ISF Guys. The contest for speedy deletion is in the talk page. Moreover, the article doesn't even need to be discussed for deletion because of the content in there.
tausif(talk) 09:43, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

I deleted it as obvious nn, but still wondering why I was singeled out? If the article gets created a third time pageprotection might be in order. It is linked from a facebook page which might account for the various comments on the talkpage contesting the deletion. Agathoclea (talk) 11:26, 31 May 2012 (UTC)


Thanks!♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:52, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

gladly. Just noticed a couple of duplicates that happened because I set up the skip wrong. Anyway if there is anything that needs doing let me know. I prefer doing something productive on here. Agathoclea (talk) 16:54, 1 June 2012 (UTC)


Thanks Of course I don't mind--there are always thankless tasks to do around here. —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:56, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Martial Gueroult[edit]

Hi Agathoclea, If you don't mind I won't comment on a diacritics RM as PBS and MakeSense64 have made complaint at ANI concerning my Talk at WT MOSPN following my restore of this edit. However as regards Discussion Martial Gueroult (différence entre versions) 2008, we have no way of knowing if the anecdote of fr:Maurice de Gandillac from 1975 is correct, nor if the way Ferdinand Alquié (who had acrimonious battles with Gueroult) pronounced the name "Guer'oult" was correct, but going from the Gueroult's own works I'd say that it was - in his introduction to Arthur Schopenhauer Métaphysique de l'amour, métaphysique de la mort 1964 Gueroult omits his accent. Likewise in Hommage a Martial Gueroult 1964 the contributors omit the accent. So why the accent in many sources? Perhaps because there is a well known French family (cf. vicomte Albert Révérend Titres, anoblissements et pairies de la restauration 1814-1830 Volume 3 "Cette famille Guéroult, originaire de Normandie, est d'ancienne noblesse et établit sa filiation suivie depuis Jacques Guéroult ..", hence all the names in fr:Guéroult, and that family also comes from Normandy like Martial Gueroult. It's likely that they're related, since this is an unusual name, but either way it appears that Martial Gueroult differentiated his name from the aristocratic fr:Guéroult family and pronounced it as the IP says Alquié pronounced it, "Guer'oult." I hope this of some use. If was participating in this RM I'd agree with the move based on the 2 sources above. P. T. Aufrette's note of the Amazon covers is also pretty important - he only died in 1976, his daughters will still be receiving royalties and ensure the name is spelled by the publishers the way he preferred. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:00, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (use English), thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:58, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Just came from there to see what the new message was. Agathoclea (talk) 13:01, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


Thank you very much, Agathoclea, for your feedback. I will follow your advice and provide evidence for the article where it is required. This may take some time, but I assure you all the information in the article has a source; please do not make any deletions of unsourced material yet until I´ve finished referencing all the particular facts. Thanks for your understanding in advance! --Bassmachine89 (talk) 18:23, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

  • I have now extended as well as referenced the article as well as possible. Please inform me if it looks OK now, or if I need additional sources. Thanks a lot for helping, Bassmachine89 (talk) 16:26, 14 June 2012 (UTC).

Roland Szabó (Slovak footballer)[edit]

Thanks for your message on my talk page. I've made a comment at User talk:Fastily/Archive 5#Roland Szabó (Slovak footballer). I have no particualr interest in this article and no knowledge of the subject, will be happy to leave it to you, if you are inclined to deal with it. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:58, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Deutschland sucht den Superstar (season 9)[edit]

Can you take a look at Deutschland sucht den Superstar (season 9) and rate it from a stub-class to whatever you think it deserves? Could you also check for consistency for wording, grammer, etc? Kingjeff (talk) 21:12, 6 July 2012 (UTC)


Hi, thanks for your common sense; FYI. I shouldn't be the only one to implement the result. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:07, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

[4ce993c8] 2012-07-09 11:13:36: Fatal exception of type MWException
hmm, will try again when I have a bit more time. Agathoclea (talk) 11:15, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
Many thanks for doing that, and double checking in the process. I see Talk:Jelena Janković has been page protected. In ictu oculi (talk)

The Mote and the Beam[edit]

I have responded to your allegation of "fabricated evidence" at Talk:Sthène. --Old Moonraker (talk) 09:04, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit war/close at Jelena Janković[edit]

As you have been a recent participant in a content dispute regarding diacritics at Jelena Janković, I would ask that you read the close I made earlier today at Talk:Jelena_Janković#Full_protection. The edit war on that particular question of the lead wording is, across a wide range of articles, as I previously stated, not acceptable, and violates WP:EW.

Any further reversions, in either direction on this question on talk and policy pages, will likely be seen as a continuation of that edit war. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns. --j⚛e deckertalk 06:50, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Update: Apologies for the belated notice, related to this, I have started an RfC on the accent/lead question, which you may wish to participate in, at [1]. My previous note was very poorly worded, and was meant to stop reversions on the articles themselves, not discussion, my deepest apologies for any confusion. Thanks! --j⚛e deckertalk 14:45, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Good catch, that I hadn't reverted back far enough.[edit]

Thanks. --j⚛e deckertalk 06:59, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Emeli Sandé[edit]

ha, well at least she is an Olympian. FWIW I just came across a couple of mispelled Namibian cricketers and put in a RM. But we're running out of the 0.001% of mispelled BLPs. Would you be so kind, mon vieux, as to stick Talk:Stephane Huet back into WP:RM for a conclusion - seeing as the majority were actually in favour of the French name. It would leave only the well known British beauty Ana Ivanovic as a permanent monument to Anglo xenonymophobia. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:38, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for ANI comment but I answering MakeSense64 just generates text-walls. Joy's proposal (while more an exasperated gripe than a formed proposal) at least opens the door to proposing a minimum targeted "stop" ... at least I think. If you see fit to post again maybe you could help with forming/improving that? In ictu oculi (talk) 15:25, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Moving Burma to Myanmar - ongoing poll[edit]

This is to let you know that an ongoing poll is taking place to move Burma to Myanmar. I know this happened just recently but no administrator would close these frequent rm's down, so here we go again. This note is going out to wikipedia members who have participated in Burma/Myanmar name changing polls in the past. It does not include banned members nor those with only ip addresses. Thank you. Fyunck(click) (talk) 05:00, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Request for your assistance for The Wikipedia Library[edit]

Hi! You signed up to be a helper at the Highbeam project page. As The Wikipedia Library expands, I am seeking some assistants who can collaborate on project administration by spending a few hours now and then working on a variety of tasks.

Right now I am looking for help on the Questia round 1 signups, reviewing editors' applications to check for edit count (1000), account history (1 year), and current blocks. Note, there is no subjective judgment required, just a factual criteria-check. Here's what you can do:

  1. Sign up for a section of 50 applications at this page
  2. The first check involves using Popups (enabled in Special:Preferences -> click "Gadgets", check the box to enable Popups, then click save).
  3. By hovering over a username on the applications list, Popups will show the edit count, age of account, and whether the editor is blocked on English Wikipedia
  4. If an editor is blocked, list their name at this page
  5. If an editor does not meet the 1-year/1000 editor check using Popups, open their user talk page in a new tab in your browser.
  6. Then, you then need to check if the editor meets the criteria on another Wikipedia language project.
  7. To check global contributions use the Global Contributions surveyor] on toolserver.
  8. Toolserver is a bit slow so I find it helpful to have 3 tabs running simultaneously.
  9. Scroll down to the bottom of the toolserver results to see if 1000 edits or 1-year age of accounted are met at another project. You can also see if the editor is blocked on another project.
  10. If neither Popups nor the Global Contribution Surveyor met the criteria, then list their name at [less than 1000 edits, or less than 1 year old account|this page]
  11. Mark your section {{done}} at this page

Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks so much! -- User:Ocaasi 19:50, 8 September 2012 (UTC)


Hi, I've responded to your question on the Welsh Wikipedia here. Hwyl, AdamSommerton (talk) 06:26, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Also found a source, which I've put in this article: cy:Gavin. AdamSommerton (talk) 15:34, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much :-) Agathoclea (talk) 18:06, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


Hi. Do you use any tool/program to assess pages to wikiprojects? I am in the middle of improving WP:AWB's tagging system and I would be interested to know which tools are around. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:32, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I use a javascript that I rescued when the author abandoned the project when he became disallusioned with the interanl wrangles. It reads the banners from the talkpage and displays the relevant info in a number of dropdownboxes on top of the article together with the option to alter/add the assessment. It could do with updating but serves my purpose well. Check here and search for to reduce name conflict - wikicode of talkpage. a few lines above that it starts and it is pretty selfexplanatory. Agathoclea (talk) 16:43, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
P.S. a few settings are right at the top of the page. Agathoclea (talk) 17:45, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:17, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


Cornflower blue Yogo sapphire.jpg gnome in Germany and Wales
Thank you for tireless gnomish work around articles of projects Germany and Wales, - you are an awesome Wikipedian! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
thanks - very much appreciated. I needed some cheering up today. Agathoclea (talk) 19:54, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
A year ago, you were the 263rd recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:13, 4 October 2013 (UTC)


Hi, just to let you know that the Template:Wikify tag has now been deprecated. Please use Template:underlinked or Template:dead end from now on, cheers. Delsion23 (talk) 18:20, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Halle disambiguation[edit]

Hi Agathoclea, thanks for you input to Halle, Saxony-Anhalt. You may be interested in a similar discussion at Talk:Halle, North Rhine-Westphalia. --Bermicourt (talk) 19:22, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/FC Bayern Munich/archive1‎[edit]

Would you be interested in doing a peer review for the article? Kingjeff (talk) 02:39, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you![edit]

A small cup of coffee.JPG How are you doing? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:13, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for asking :-) Currently looking for a wiki-writing job that comes with car, camera and unlimited library access :-) Agathoclea (talk) 05:43, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Mmm, I know what you mean...♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:40, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Your e-mail[edit]

Received and responded. Pinging as requested. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 19:00, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Loves Libraries Seattle[edit]

Decemmber 8 - Wikipedia Loves Libraries Seattle - You're invited
Seattle Public Library
  • Date Saturday, December 8, 2012
  • Time 10 a.m. – 3 p.m.
  • Location Seattle Public Library Meeting Room 1 on Level 4, Central Library, 1000 4th Avenue, Seattle WA, 98104
  • Event An editathon on Seattle-related Wikipedia articles with Wikipedia tutorials and Librarian assistance on hand.
  • Hashtag #wikiloveslib or #glamwiki.
  • Registration or use on-wiki regsistration.

Yours, Maximilianklein (talk) 03:38, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Some baklava for you![edit]

Baklava - Turkish special, 80-ply.JPEG Welcome back, hope you had a good Christmas/New Year. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:14, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
So you're alive, happy May Day! In ictu oculi (talk) 09:42, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of List of papabili in the 2013 papal conclave for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of papabili in the 2013 papal conclave is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of papabili in the 2013 papal conclave until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. -- --JamboQueen (talk) 17:00, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Your input is requested[edit]

Greetings, Agathoclea! If we have not met, I'm AutomaticStrikeout. I've come here to ask you to take part in the survey at User:AutomaticStrikeout/Are admins interested in a RfB?. I am trying to gauge the general level of interest that administrators have in running for cratship, as well as pinpoint the factors that affect that interest level. Your input will be appreciated. Happy editing, AutomaticStrikeout (TCSign AAPT) 01:40, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Love history & culture? Get involved in WikiProject World Digital Library![edit]

World Digital Library Wikipedia Partnership - We need you!
Hi Agathoclea! I'm the Wikipedian In Residence at the World Digital Library, a project of the Library of Congress and UNESCO. I'm recruiting Wikipedians who are passionate about history & culture to participate in improving Wikipedia using the WDL's vast free online resources. Participants can earn our awesome WDL barnstar and help to disseminate free knowledge from over 100 libraries in 7 different languages. Please sign up to participate here. Thanks for editing Wikipedia and I look forward to working with you! SarahStierch (talk) 23:46, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

RfC part II[edit]

Hi. You participated in RfC on Talk:Frédéric Fontang. Per the advice of closing admin "This result sets no precedent for similar articles. To address the other articles, I would suggest a broadly-worded RfC" I have confirmed the title of the second RfC addressing the other 105 affected articles with the closing admin and that follow on broadly-worded RfC is at Wikipedia:Requests for Comment/Duplicate name in basic ASCII character set. Thank you. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:14, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi, when was that ASCII template you mention deleted? Must have been some years ago? In ictu oculi (talk) 02:11, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
Agathoclea (talk) 12:17, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Vietnamese provinces; renaming discussion[edit]

Hello - I'm contacting you because you participated in the discussion on the proposed renaming of Cà Mau and/or An Giang Province. This is to let you know that a discussion on a number of similar proposed moves is taking place at Talk:Bac Ninh Province. Colonies Chris (talk) 12:30, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

..too late :-) Agathoclea (talk) 12:49, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Redundant talkback note[edit]

Agathoclea, I responded to your comment on my talk page. I know you're notified, but I thought I should repay your kindness with a hand-typed note. Drmies (talk) 14:25, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

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your lack of knowledge[edit]

for your information: I am in charge of publications for Mr. Jim Boeven; my contributions are my own words and shall not be removed because you think it might infringe fact, you are hurting Mr. Boevens business by removing vital facts from his wikipedia. You clearly dont know anything about the subject matter in regards to Mr. Boeven - as his management partner, I know certain details about his career that you keep removing from wikipedia so please refrain from changing facts that you certainly should not remove, edit or shorten because of lack of knowledge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stokershelby (talkcontribs) 17:59, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

  1. Get evidence that the bio at imdb is in fact authored by yourself.
  2. Then follow the steps outlined in Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission#Granting us permission to copy material already online Agathoclea (talk) 19:37, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK-Good Article Request for Comment[edit]

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Serbian diacritic moves[edit]

I was unaware of this policy. My apologies. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 18:21, 1 August 2013 (UTC)


Hi, the "RM Incubator" saga was all about "winning" RMs by any means, but unfortunately I'd think that bogus arguments in RMs are too subjective and peanuts compared to documented recent behaviour. In the meantime, trying to repair the damage to WP VN's article stock and getting pissed off Vietnamese editors to come back seems like a worthwile effort. I don't really understand the difference between indefinite block and ban. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:55, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

The difference is that edits of a banned user can be reverted unseen. Agathoclea (talk) 08:18, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Ahah, I didn't know that. Then yes, if you proceed this please inform me, I would support. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:59, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Actually I checked in the mean time and indefinete blocks get handeled the same, so there is no rush. Difference being is that any admin could come along and unblock, which would not be the case in a banning. Agathoclea (talk) 17:02, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

RfC relating to Vietnamese geo article titles[edit]

Since you participated in either the previous RfC or in a recent related RM you may wish to be informed of Talk:Gia Bình District#RfC: Should non-exonym Vietnam geo article titles have Vietnamese alphabet spellings?. Thank you. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:40, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library[edit]

Hey! I've done a major redesign of The Wikipedia Library portal. As one of our original volunteers, I'd love you to check it out, pick a role, create a profile to share your story and skills, sign up for the newsletter, and see how you can get involved. I'd also be interested in having a skype chat with you in the next few weeks to see how we can best put your energy to use (or email if that's better for you). Hope you're doing well, Ocaasi t | c 13:25, 28 August 2013 (UTC)


Please follow the link on top of my user, it's too late for help, but not for support, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:51, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

I am following what is going on there. I have to think what I can write there that Mackensen has not yet written. Anyway when this is over WP:OWN needs a total overhaul to reflect the changes in practice introduced by ARBCOM. Agathoclea (talk) 16:07, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit war in Greece-Italy relations[edit]

Hello, a user is doing edit wars in the article about Greece–Italy relations article and I have been reverting his edits (since they are not backed with sources or reasonable explanations that justify his edits) and I called him stop the edits and discuss the matter in the article's Talk page and get into a consensus, with all the sources and explanations needed for the approval of the edit to the article. But the user is eager to impose his edits despite our discussion being in progress, and thus, keeps doing edits on the page. I tried to be reasonable and suggested him to avoid edit-revert wars and discuss the matter in the article's talk page and of course give other people (besides me and him) the time to express their own opinion about the matter. But he is keep doing the changes and so I think it could be best if can a third person, such as an administrator like you, give a look to the matter? I can't keep reverting his edits forever... For more info about the dispute, I created a section in the article's talk page --SilentResident (talk) 03:52, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

New Wales Coast Path WikiProject[edit]

I see you're a member of WikiProject Wales and have contributed to Welsh articles. There's a new project, Llwybrau Byw!|Living Paths! under development which you might be able to contribute to. Lonely Planet rated the coast of Wales "the best region on Earth" in 2012, yet there is a very low number of articles on the history and culture of places along the Coastal Path and the many and various activities and attractions. This promises to be an exciting project as it gathers momentum with many Users joining in. Let's make this WikiProject, like the path itself, the best on earth! Cymrodor (talk) 08:24, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


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Discussion of interest[edit]

A discussion you may be interested in is this RFC, a proposal to make the second comma in a date/place optional. United States Man (talk) 06:08, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library Survey[edit]

As a subscriber to one of The Wikipedia Library's programs, we'd like to hear your thoughts about future donations and project activities in this brief survey. Thanks and cheers, Ocaasi t | c 15:18, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Run Sheldon & TouchMail[edit]

I need your help on activities of new user, who is nominating speedy page deletion of two pages that are notable TouchMail and Run Sheldon. Can you please look into this and do needful. Anishwiki12 (talk) 08:44, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Low importance[edit]

I smiled about "low importance" for Wolfgang Rösch, a man whose boss is the pope ;) - Did you see the Reuters photo? - Thank you for your translation of "awesomely weird" (context)! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks :-) I think there is a WP dealing with the Catholic faith. I have not had time to look it up though. He should get a higher importance rating there I think. Agathoclea (talk) 22:14, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
I only smiled, I mean it. - I looked at other Vicar generals and their fancy titles ... - what's Demut in English? That's what he stands for. (I was one of 140 singing in the farewell service.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Humility is what you are looking for. That explains your interest in Bach cantatas. Agathoclea (talk) 22:30, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]

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I see you have not edited much this month. I hope you are all right - I am sending you this wiki-kitten to make sure :) Cheers,

Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 17:47, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks - much appreciated. Real life is catching up with me and time and more importantly time to concentrate is lacking. But I can't keep away :-) Agathoclea (talk) 09:34, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

WP Germany in the Signpost[edit]

The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Germany for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. –Mabeenot (talk) 02:32, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

NRHP commonscat[edit]

What is the purpose of adding the "commonscat" parameter to {{NRHP row}}, as you did in this edit? "Commonscat" is not a parameter recognized by the template. Is there a place where this action has been discussed? I've looked for a discussion, but can't find one. — Ipoellet (talk) 19:53, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

To be honest I have not even checked, as all the other listed building templates I have been working on have included that parameter. It is supposed to add a small link below the image to more pictures. See usage in Grade II* listed buildings in West Oxfordshire as an example. There is actually a bot producing the list for those to be included at Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Missing commons category links and as far as I read Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Archive 57 the idea was welcomed at the time as a good idea. But obviously not implemented. Maybe something to revisit, especially as this format is in use accross several projects and different language editions. Agathoclea (talk) 20:07, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
@Ipoellet: I just moved the discussion to Template talk:NRHP row#Commonscat for further input. Agathoclea (talk) 20:27, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for the interruption[edit]

Sorry I interrupted your using the commonscat script just now; I figured it was late enough no one would be using it (almost 1 am here for me, but then again I'm not sure where you are). I was expanding the script to be able to download not only the commonscat names to match but also the files in the categories, of which there are many more, making the download time much longer. I did eventually get the download to work, but I did not get as far as checking for matching images and adding them in. I will eventually get to that point, hopefully. I reverted these changes to the script for the time being to skip downloading the file data and make it faster to just add links, and I will un-revert later when I get time to fully expand the code. Sorry again, but thanks for being patient!--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 05:45, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of minor islands[edit]

I haven't recommended articles for speedy deletion before, but did four this morning, which you removed. Grateful for your advice - did I give the wrong reason, or do you think think the articles should not be deleted? Meini Duon, Ynys Eilun, Ynys Cantwr, Trwynmynachdy. Cheers...Tony Holkham (talk) 11:06, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library: New Account Coordinators Needed[edit]

Hi Books & Bytes recipients: The Wikipedia Library has been expanding rapidly and we need some help! We currently have 10 signups for free account access open and several more in the works... In order to help with those signups, distribute access codes, and manage accounts we'll need 2-3 more Account Coordinators.

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I wanted to check back with you on the article I recently created as a stub to see if you had further concerns and If I can continue expanding or if you felt the article needs to be deleted. No sure how you were wishing to proceed.--Mark Miller (talk) 20:04, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

@Mark Miller: I have no concerns. The reason why the previous article had been deleted is now explained and it is better to expand from scratch than work from a possible copyvio. If sources are divided about the historicity of Liola then that thought could be explored in an expanded version. Agathoclea (talk) 10:22, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
I believe the exploration of the historicity may well be a good topic. In the Umi-a-Liloa article it states "While there is probably embellishment to the story, as many sagas do, a portion of historic accuracy remains." and is sourced to Martha Warren Beckwith in her book Hawaiian Mythology (1976). There must be some academic discussion of this. But the figures themselves are considered to be real people and that their recorded oral, genealogy chants are accurate enough to gauge to the first waves of peoples coming in from Polanysia. Kalakua touches on the differences between the Hawaii island genealogies and the Maui island genealogies and a conference to establish to research a single genealogy line that became known as the Ulu genealogy. These are the genealogy lines of Umi, Liloa and others and go much farther back. The subjects were actually famed enough as kings to have their remains kept. We still know the location and have opened the casket of what they believe is either Umi or Liloa and found artifacts that could be dated to a specific period. A lot of this needs to be expanded on in the Umi article. There are some nice public domain images of the woven basket for the bones. These were taken from the old temple in Waipio when Ka'ahumanu began the breaking of the old Kapu.--Mark Miller (talk) 18:42, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Wrong "semi-automated" pic[edit]

Hi. An image is being repeatedly added in error to Grade I listed buildings in Exeter - you are one of the users concerned. Please see Talk:Grade I listed buildings in Exeter#Wrong pic for Presentation of St Mary Convent School, and could one of you stop this semi-automated process from doing it again? Thanks very much - Aegoceras (talk) 10:23, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Wow, you replied on the talk page before I even notified you here. Thanks. Aegoceras (talk) 10:46, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

CommonsCat script in German[edit]

I spent some time today trying to adapt the commonscat script to get it ready for compatibility with other language wikis. I basically created a giant object at the top of the script which I plan to expand with all the different languages (and may eventually move out to a separate location as you previously suggested). I also made the GUI translatable in the same way and made it default to English when the user's preferred language is not present (along with a link to my user talk page asking for help translating). All that remains now is to add in the different registers and GUI translations, and I think it should be set.

Since you remarked that you were interested in using the script on monuments in Bavaria, I attempted to add compatibility for that register as a test case. In order to do so, I had to edit de:Vorlage:Denkmalliste Bayern Tabellenzeile to include a class on the table row, which the script looks for. I have never edited de-wiki before, though, so it looks like my edit has gone into pending changes. The script won't work until that goes through, so if you have those rights, maybe you could approve it? In order to make the script work on de-wiki, you should add


to your javascript and make sure to purge any page on which the row template is used to make sure that class is added. If it works for you, I can begin to add support for all the other registers supported by ErfgoedBot. If you run into any errors, could you let me know? Thanks!--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 10:17, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Muahahahahahahaha! It liiiiives!!! I had to do a little bit of tinkering with some stuff, but I finally got it working. Now to add the rest of the registers!--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 12:38, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Precious again[edit]

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Thank you for tireless gnomish work around articles of projects Germany and Wales, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Two years ago, you were the 263rd recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, repeated in br'erly style, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:05, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, much appreciated. Agathoclea (talk) 15:51, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

About Liloa and KAVEBEAR[edit]

Hi Agathoclea, you may remember last June when you dropped me a line about a deleted article Liloa[2] that had been moved into a user draft and then deleted I believe from KAVEBEAR. You notified me because the created article had been previously deleted by the author/editor and showed up on your radar somehow and you were just letting me know there was a previous version with an unknown reasoning for deletion. According to KAVEBEAR it was due to copyright issues from his early editing days on Wikipedia and he didn't believe the subject was actually a real person and wrote the article as if they were a historical figure.--Mark Miller (talk) 23:04, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

I was a little uncomfortable about the declaration that the article was deleted because Liloa is not a real figure. After that, I didn't know how to proceed because if I wrote the article as if they were a real person (which the mainstream academics seem to do taking all of the legends with a grain of salt, but all concluding that Liloa, Hakau and Umi-a-Liloa were real people and that their caskets were preserved for hundreds of years, along with royal feathered regalia from Kamehameha that was passed down from Liloa and confirmed to be from the period Liloa and Umi would have ruled) I would have surely encountered aggressive resistance as demonstrated by the editors past behavior with me and now reinforced with more recent behavior. I actually believe that KAVEBEAR made that statement as a challenge to almost defying me to go that route after declaring it the reason they deleted their version. We actually have an article on Wikipedia: Liloa's Kāʻei that demonstrates that the KAVEBEAR has already created a similar article and treated the subject as a historic figure as this is the mainstream academic opinion of Hawaiian historians in reliable sources for both the feathered sash and the historic figures.

The reason I wanted to post here was because I had initially decided not to make a big deal out of this, but I knew that there was already an article on the sash of Liloa, but didn't bother to look to see who created it. When I noticed back then when I checked I got very confused because here KAVEBEAR is saying he deleted the article because he treated the figure as a real person, which was arguing against the actual treatment he was giving the figure on another article. I have had enough of a problem with KAVEBEAR over his opinion of how articles should be done that I, very much was discouraged from doing anything further on the article. A quick look at the talk pages for Talk:Charles Kanaina, Talk:Pa'u riders and talk:Levi Haʻalelea will certainly demonstrate that KAVEBEAR challenges my edits in a very aggressive manner, disrupting my work on several occasions with ownership like issues, questioning almost every edit or move I make and basically bullying and bulldozing his way into the articles using the worst tactics to achieve what he wants. Two of those articles I had created where KAVEBEAR did indeed bully his way into trying to move the Pa'u riders article to a more complicated spelling that changes the pronunciation drastically. The dispute there became so disruptive that a non admin closed the move request (that had bad faith beginnings) just to shut us both up and didn't even go by the no consensus outcome of the discussion that two others noted and moved the article using to apostrophe. This got changed back recently with discussion and consensus that the apostrophe was acceptable here and the MOS Hawaii should be ignored in this instance as the most common spelling is not using an okina and this word is extensively used today without the okina but using the apostrophe for the proper way to say the word. But just keeping the article title was delayed and disrupted for moths due to KAVEBEAR.

This is why Liloa remains my only a two sentence stub I have yet to expand to at least start class. I know all that will happen is a long and bitter argument on the talk page and back and forth treatments of whether the subject is real or not. Frankly that is very offensive to me as both a Hawaiian and a descendent of many of these figures. I only discovered all of the information I know now within the past year and been doing a ton of research on Hawaiian History and genealogy of the Hawaiian Royal Family. Many of the things KAVEBEAR has said and accused me of have been insulting and he seems insensitive to the very culture and people he is writing about on Wikipedia and has, in the past, been very aggressive with editors of Hawaiian heritage who attempt to edit the articles. I am going to make an attempt in the next few weeks to begin expanding the article and wanted to give you a head-up because you had notified me about the article and KAVEBEAR had responded to it and I wish to begin work on that article once again.--Mark Miller (talk) 23:04, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

A new reference tool[edit]

Hello Books & Bytes subscribers. There is a new Visual Editor reference feature in development called Citoid. It is designed to "auto-fill" references using a URL or DOI. We would really appreciate you testing whether TWL partners' references work in Citoid. Sharing your results will help the developers fix bugs and improve the system. If you have a few minutes, please visit the testing page for simple instructions on how to try this new tool. Regards, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:47, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

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Moving Burma to Myanmar - new 2015 poll[edit]

You participated in a Burma RM in the past so I'm informing you of another RM. I hope I didn't miss anyone. New move attempt of Burma>Myanmar Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:50, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Europefan /GLGerman[edit]

I am hiding in the background at the moment (busy). Should the case need some input please send a Wikimail. Agathoclea (talk) 08:55, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Christian Lerch[edit]

Dear Agathoclea: Some time ago you responded to my query about a draft article. Unfortunately your response was archived before I saw it, and I didn't notice it until now. I have moved the draft into mainspace on your recommendation. Thanks!—Anne Delong (talk) 02:38, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Glad that article could be saved. I was too inactive since then myself to really do anything about it, due to RL issues. Anyway I placed the interwikilink. Agathoclea (talk) 19:14, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Books & Bytes - Issue 17[edit]

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