User talk:Ahoerstemeier/Archive 12

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Question regarding removal of HPV Vaccine content on circumcision page[edit]


I understand why my content would be removed regarding the recent HPV vaccine when I didn't source it properly. But I eventually got it right and sourced the proper research study.

My intent behind the HPV vaccine content was educational as the best prevention for HPV (aside from no sexual contact) currently is this vaccine. This has direct bearing on the information regarding circumcision as prophylaxis for HPV as there is a proven prophylaxis for the virus now.

Will you engage with me in discussing regarding your decision to remove this content?

Thank you for your time, Andre Bouchard Seattle WA US

I still don't see how it is related with circumcision, except that both have something to do with genitals. If that text would be put into the article on HPV, or in the article on sexual transmitted diseases it would be no problem. andy 21:23, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

It has to do with the studies regarding circumsision as a preventative measure for HPV. Either the HPV section of circumsision needs to be removed as the studies have been rendered moot or inclusion of the more recent preventative measures need to be included. The article right now gives old information. If prevention of HPV is too be outlined then complete, current information should be included.

Klingon wikia[edit]

Hallo! Ich wollte dich darüber informieren, dass der ehemalige Klingonische Teil von Wikipedia umgezogen ist, und nun wieder als Projekt aufgenommen wurde als Klingon Encyclopedia.
Es würde mich freuen, dort wieder von dir zu hören/lesen.

I would like to inform you that the former Klingon section of Wikipedia (tlh) has moved to wikicities and will now be continued as Klingon Encyclopedia.
I would be glad to hear/read from you there again.

Greetings, Lieven. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk) 11:31, 8 January 2007 (UTC).

User:Bigegossmallminds block[edit]

Thanks for that. I have a deep suspicion that the account is a sockpuppet of User:Whoaskedyou (also editing as an anon as User: until that IP was blocked) and objects to my blocking them for persistent attack page creation, personal attacks and blanking of warnings. Sigh. Tonywalton  | Talk 17:39, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

My userpage[edit]

Thanks for the revert of my userpage, see Tonywalton has filled you in on the story. Many thanks again RyanPostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or lets have banter 17:41, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


???Omegatron 13:44, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

There's a new feature which allows to find all pages linking to a specific webpage, in this case [1]. As the weblink to is one of the buttons on the editing toolbar this link is often added by accident, so it makes sense to check this list to clean up editing experiments, same as looking for pages using the Example.jpg image. I have fixed quite a lot already, but there are still 400 pages with that link, but soon it will be a manageable tool. andy 17:22, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Aha. You should try to explain that in the edit summary. Wouldn't it be better to just change the toolbar, since people are going to be putting in articles? — Omegatron 19:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Well, I don't know how to fit this explanation it into a editing summary... Changing to toolbar is not really helpful, because in most of the pages having that link it originates from the toolbar already, so what I am doing is cleaning up the backlog, same as what'd happen if noone cleans the pages using example.jpg for some month. andy 21:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd agree that you need to give a better edit summary; I just used as an example link, and it was changed to with no real explanation given. If you can't fit your explanation into the edit summery, then say something like "avoiding; see rationale" (except linking to a page that works. :) ) Also, note that you activate the "You have new messages" tag when you make the change on a user talk page. Mike Peel 17:57, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Of course I am aware that changes on the user talk will create that tag, but luckily most user talks I cleaned (and I am through with those now I think) were of users who apparently just edited that page once and then never returned. Sorry if I irritated you with that edit on your talk page. But I will try to write up a good explanation like you suggested, also covering the other similar editing experiments I clean like the example.jpg, so I can use also that when I clean new occurances. andy 21:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Please stop changing these. If you want to be able to find instances of toolbar experiments, have the toolbar changed to — Omegatron 15:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

You want me stop cleaning up the toolbar remnants? There very few places where a link to is really necessary, and if there's a need for an example link will do the same. It is absolutely the same with the example.jpg - there a few places where one needs such an image, especially in the Help namespace or for examples of template usage - and if one uses a JPG or a PNG there makes absolutely no difference. The same applies to that link IMHO - actually the only pages I found so far which really needs that link are Image:Examplewebsite.PNG and What other pages do you think should have that link? Why those aren't equally well served with a Changing the toolbar wouldn't fix any of the still existing toolbar remnants. andy 17:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I prefer (or myself, to combat the ever-present "dot-com-itis" whereby people seem to think that all domain names are, or should be, ".com" (even for noncommercial sites). However, I think some people following your example are getting overzealous, and even "munging" non-linking references to on pages where, for some reason, a specific mention of that address is necessary (e.g., the "Domain name" article). *Dan T.* 01:12, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I have no idea how many links there were when you started this campaign, but there are only 20 now and they all look legitimate. You can stop now, the job is done. Please stop making unnecessary changes like you just did to Template talk:Cite web. Thanks. RossPatterson 22:32, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

It were 500! And IMHO there's really no need to prefer over in any talk, except if there's really referring to that exact website. So even now it's down to 20, IMHO at least 10 more could be changed without any harm. Why noone complained on removal of example.jpg, example.ogg, or link title links? andy 22:16, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi! and thanks!![edit]

Hello there, and thank you for the edit on Homeowner association. I missed that when I was deleting the various commercial links left by (my guess is the developer and author of the DVD). Now I am curious - do you have creatures like homeowner associations in Germany? The most active and effective advocate in the state where I live is a man from Germany who had problems with his own homeowner association here. Anyway, thanks for the edit. Also, I voted for Kerry, but do not vandalize GWB pages. I can't stomach watching GWB on the news, let alone reading about him on Wikipedia. We have serious problems in our country, and I fear what is ahead.Jance 19:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

These things like the can easily slip in by accidentally clicking on that editing toolbar, or of course also by more intentional editing experiments. I am cleaning these things from articles rather regularily. Regarding your question: it has clubs of home owners here, see de:Siedlergemeinschaft, however as those gated communities are not popular here these clubs are not really comparable - of those activities I know they mostly focus on creating a healthy neighborhood by organizing festivities or tours, as well as giving courses on gardening, but unlike the US ones not taking over tasks from the municipality nor having mandatory membership. andy 21:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
The associations in Germany sound much better than those here. A sense of community? Imagine that! This afternoon I met with a beleaguered homeowner in his legal fight against an association. The problems here are epidemic, and often over such idiotic things. Several years ago I was designing radio telecom systems, and never would have believed I would now be an attorney representing homeowners (among others). Life is strange. Jance 03:12, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I just looked at the link you provided. Ich habe zu viele vergessen !! I can read only a part of it. It is very hard to read a language when there is no opportunity to practice it. One day I will go to Germany.Jance 06:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I showed the article to my friend Jan who said, "He is talking about social clubs, mostly in garden communities etc. Nothing in common with HOAs. Mandatory HOAs like here are illegal in Germany! " Wirklich! I think I want to move to Germany. The idea of a community that is not a gulag sounds very nice.Jance 06:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

As I said, not really comparable. To me the thought of living behind fences is quite strange, I can understand it in 3rd world countries where it really has security problems due to the extreme poverty, but not in a country like the US. But anyway, there are also enough things annoying about Germany or German culture, otherwise there wouldn't be many emigrants from Germany even nowadays. If you want to go the other way round - just before Christmas it had a hilarious TV documentary starring an American comedian showing all those things he wondered about while living in Germany [2], so be ready for a slight culture shock :-) andy 17:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


Shpongled 19:47, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

How the hell did you do that!?[edit]

How the hell can you be one step ahead of me with every vandalism revert! :) -Painezor TC 17:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Hehe, my internet is faster than yours :-) OK, I will make a break on recent changes now to give you a chance... andy 17:19, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Anuban Muang Chiang Rai School[edit]

Hello Being new to Wikipedia I am not sure if this is the proper way to reply to you. I have been asked by my Thai government school in Chiang Rai to add their website to Wikipedia.

I have done so, maybe not with your finesse but effectivly anyway. You took the liberty of deleting it without consultation which in my book is extremely rude. I await your apologY as does my school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amecth (talkcontribs)

The reason why I removed it - Wikipedia is not a Web directory, especially not one to use to advertize a website. The long version is written down in Wikipedia:External links. Thus while the name of your school is fitting in that list in the article on Chiang Rai, the way you put it there it was like an advertisement. That entry in the list can then link to an detailed article about your school, which however should only give encyclopedic information about it, but not being a plain advertisement. andy 20:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Chilean edits[edit]

Hello, Ahoerstemeier/Archive 12, since you have made several edits to articles about Chile, you may be interested in looking at the Wikipedia:Chile-related regional notice board to pick up on other topics that need attention, or to express needs which you perceive pertaining to Chile. JAXHERE | Talk 02:36, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Diocese Infobox[edit]

Hi, thanks for your edits on Diocese of Aachen, I have made some edits to the infobox, and the dioces epage to also list number of priests and parishes, but I guess I shouldn`t have because I can`t get it to work, which I find very annoying.... if you would happen to be very good at infoboxes, could you tell me what I did wrong? --Isolani 08:50, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

It's a little bit of template magic I used in that infobox to make the fields optional, but you only added it in the section capsuled with a "noinclude" statement, the part used to illustrate the working. But the part which is used for the articles using the template is the one with includeonly around it. For the if statements there you can find the full technical help at meta:Help:Advanced templates. BTW: There's a second infobox proposal at User:SkierRMH/Diocese Infobox, which was created without knowledge of that infobox template I created before. IMHO that one has way to many information, I prefer to have an infobox with only the essential quick-look information and put the more special facts into the article text... andy 09:34, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Bishopric thing[edit]

'Bishopric' is just so.... ugly... , also a lot of the articles on Dioceses are very inconsistent, would be a good thing to sort them out. Guess I have a wee project for myself... --Isolani 12:27, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism on John Howard[edit]

Thanks for your help in sorting out the vandalism on John Howard, I was drowning! :) --Cricketgirl 12:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

That's the advantage of having admin rights, I can stop those vandal IPs if the users doesn't listen to the warnings. andy 13:00, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism of Scott Mills[edit]

I cant help but feel this article should be semi-proteced. Your thoughts? -Coolmark18 18:42, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

External links on your userpage[edit]

The two New York Times linkouts should be re-examined. The first is 404, the second is subscribe-only. El Ingles 20:10, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

The second one is correct, while the first pointing to the mailing list archive should have worked. Maybe the archive was renumbered, but I was able to find the right target again and now there's no 404 anymore. Thanks for notifying me. andy 23:33, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Thai ban on advertising alcoholic beverages[edit]

Tag, Andy. This semester I have one Thai student; she's working on the proposed ban of alcoholic beverages (which is being voluntarily observed). I'm asking for your suggestions for a title of the article, as well as the most efficacious links. I started a Mongkol Na Songkhla article that mentions the ban. That might be one link. Can you think of others? Thanks. By the way, the Thai student is studying marketing and advertising; any other juicy topics on which she might labor productively?Nhrenton 17:16, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for reverting that, this guy has been at it for over a day and won't quit and I don't know who he is. Darthgriz98 17:57, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Edit of F3 Euroseries talk page[edit]

Thanks for the explanation. I'm not sure that I follow it, but it's obviously valid in some way, so I'll take that onboard. However, if you had explained it in your first edit, or left me a message, I wouldn't have felt the need to change it back. Regards, Adrian M. H. 16:32, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Provinces of Thailand Map[edit]

Andy, in Provinces of Thailand I see that you contributed the image Thailand_provinces.png. I was thinking of using a map of Thai provinces to enhance the List of islands of Thailand. Still not sure if provincial grouping or simple alphabetical order is best, but the by-province layout still seems attractive. If I decide to pursue that, a province map would be needed. The Thailand_provinces.png is relatively small, do you have your original (perhaps larger) version, or maybe one without the numbers in the provinces? If not, I'd like to download and work with the one you've posted here, if that's okay. - (Thaimoss:talk) - Thaimoss 02:29, 3 February 2007 (UTC) ->[edit]

I saw you changed a link on a talkpage from to that I just put there 15 minutes before to explain external links to someone, and I am wondering why you changed that. It is a such not a problem, but I really don't get why: these two links are exactly the same. Both should not appear in article mainspace, but they are OK in talkspace anyway. Cheers. --Dirk Beetstra T C 23:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the links are the same, but there is one difference: is also added with one button on the editing toolbar, thus it is common added by accident, by editing experiment, or by attempting to make an external link with the toolbar. Too be able to clean these instances it is best to avoid for legitimate uses, otherwise it is impossible to find the articles which need fixing in [3]. andy 09:05, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Ah .. that indeed is true. But addition of in main space should be caught by user:shadowbot anyway (shadowbot is often down lately due to maintenance). The change just looked plainly silly (sorry for that), but this makes sense (still, one would have to dig through all the's as well, but that indeed should be less often). I'll forward this 'trick' to the spam-team, this is a bot-job! Thanks! --Dirk Beetstra T C 09:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Thai Booze Ad Ban[edit]

Thanks for the scrubbing u. Verbesserung of of the Mongkol Na Songkhla article; any ideas yet on a title and/or links for the article? Nhrenton 17:19, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I haven't answered earlier, I'm quite busy with catching up with polishing the newly created Amphoe articles. How about Alcohol advertising in Thailand? However the title shouldn't be of much concern, as it's always possible to move it a new title. I'm not sure if it really is worth a separate article, or just a section within Alcohol advertising? It of course depends a lot on how much material your student will collect. Another place from where this article could be linked (or be placed as a small paragraph if it's just a few material) would be Censorship in Thailand. Another place to give a new article a minor boost would be listing it in Portal:Thailand/Did you know, which is to advertise newly created good articles on Thai topics. andy 23:18, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for undoing vandalism on Template:Buddhism[edit]

Howdy - just wanted to thank you for so quickly responding to and undoing the vandalism of Template:Buddhism. I appreciate your vigilence and just action! Cheers, Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 12:46, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Coor tags in the infobox vs. coor title tags[edit]

Andy, Just wondering what your take is on the preferred use of the coor tag. I note you've moved a couple coor title tags into the page info box. Purely from the readability, I can see that. I'm wondering about your thoughts on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Geographical_coordinates#Templates. I see there is no clear consensus. Have you tried Dschwen's WikiMiniAtlas JavaScript plugin? Really excellent.

I'm concerned about external tools' (e.g. WikiMiniAtlas, Google, and NASAWorldWind) ability to properly note the geotag when there are multiple tags within an article body. This is happening with increasing frequency. Given that trend, it seems to me that explicitly tagging the article with coor title tag would allow discernment of the geotag of the article versus geotag references elsewhere within the article. Therefore, I think we should be using the coor title tags. Thoughts? - Thaimoss 13:53, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I prefer them to be in the infobox because there it is clear where this coordinate point - the district office, and not an arbitrary "center" of the district, which can also be supplemented with the central tambon. According to the Google Earth FAQ such tags in infobox template are picked up, provided they are using "coor" or "coordinates" as their variable name. There is no need to have a second coordinate template then, only if you want to point to any special place within the text. I am not sure how the other tools handle this, but if it's really a problems one could also use the {{coor at dms}} template. andy 17:09, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Why did you edit out ...[edit]

Why did you edit out those things from my talk page? I found that script on the sandbox, and how did you know I had it in my talk page?


Samuel Pakalomattam

15 February 02007

O.K. Is that why you did it?--

Samuel Pakalomattam

15 February 02007



on the dutch wiki we have a pic that seems to be originally uploaded by you. I can no longer find it on the english wiki. Was it a picture originally take by you? And is it correctly licensed under GFDL? The picture is nl:Image:Beeld Rama I.jpg.

thanks in advance,

TeunSpaans 06:26, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

There is a big photoburning going on on the nl.wikipedia. Even though you said the picture was taken by you and you licensed it under GFDL that is not enough anymore, you have to proof in threefold now it was you who made it. And swear before the emerald Buddha as well ;) Waerth 07:09, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Apparently when I say you uploaded it, I am not being believed. But when you say it, they believe you. I guess I'm a leper now. - Andre Engels 09:04, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
That image is now on Commons anyway, I have added the {{NowCommons}} accordingly. andy 09:14, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Andre, the question is not if Ahoerstemeier uploaded it - I posted the question here because I believe what you say. My question is: Is it a phot you made yourself?
Ahoestemeier, thank you for menstioning that it is on commons! I will look it up on commons. TeunSpaans 10:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
What keeps me wondering is why an image which had been in the article nl:Rama I for years had to be removed instantly without even waiting for the answer to clarify the copyright? Do a few days more really hurt? And that image was tagged correctly as being GFDL, it wasn't one which was uploaded by a new user who don't know about copyrights, nor one which looks like it was taken from a commercial website. andy 12:18, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
You are right - there is no hurry at all :-) This moorning I was working through the list of images listed for deletion, no one had complained, so I de-linked it from the article, then noticed that this was a nomination for deletion where the image could safely stay. I understood that the photo had been uploaded by you, so I decided to ask you directly. Anyone could, and someone should, have done so for a fortnight, but no one did. Thx for linking the commons photo in the article! TeunSpaans 16:31, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Many people on nl: are wondering the same. Teun is one of the few who hasn't given uo to stem the tide. But one mod seems hellbend on removing all pictures, He has even gone thru a desysop which he barely made and he sees that as a justification not to have to listen to complaints. Many longtime contributors have simply stopped uploading pictures. Because they get questions like is it really your picture etc Waerth 11:08, 22 February 2007 (UTC) (talk · contribs)[edit]

Hi. (talk · contribs), whom you blocked for section blanking at Persian language, has asked to be unblocked, saying that he/she was merely trying to rearrange the sections to conform with the standard layout. Obviously, that process needs to be done in one edit and involve edit summaries so that people don't wonder what the heck is going on. Would you review his/her request and consider unblocking if you believe that the action might have been in good faith? Thanks. --BigDT 16:43, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Never mind ... I see that you left a message there at exactly the same time I left this message. --BigDT 16:44, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
It looked like section blanking to me, quite popular amoung vandals, and given the fact that this IP was blocked several times before I did not check into details. Filling the "Edit Summary" would have helped a lot to avoid such a misunderstanding. andy 16:49, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry! In future I will add edit summaries —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Input requested[edit]

Hello, I noticed you make a lot of edits to articles related to Thailand and Southeast Asia so I would like to request your input on a current discussion/disagreement at the Cambodia page regarding Sex Tourism and the country's economy. The issue is being discussed on that article's talk page under the subsection "Sex tourism". Thanks.--William Thweatt Talk | Contribs 18:26, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for your reverts at [4] and [5]. I must have upset someone. I seem to be in good company! Lozleader 09:55, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting the vandalism to my userpage also. --The Missing Hour 17:47, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Nai Soi and Kayan[edit]

Andy--etwas interessantes: these Kayan women and their neck rings. (Or is it more Burmese?) Anyway, there's no Nai Soi geography article. I posted it on the Thai portal. And would panraya know the Thai name of the Kayan? The article could be cleaned up into something quite good.Nhrenton 13:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

The New York Times did a big travel story on these Nai Soi women. I'll try to get to article cleanup when I've time.Nhrenton 14:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, Nai Soi is such a small village it's not surprising that there's no article yet, we are currently trying to get at least the Amphoe (districts) covered. I usually don't pay much attention to these over-touristic things, and while that tradition of long-necked women is interesting, it is now so much over-touristical with the extremes mentioned in the Kayan article. andy 16:56, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Kein problem--machen wir die Amphoe, gell?

But I think the long-necked women both interesting and controversial--as a controversy I think particularly interesting; it's an fascinating case as to what exacly a global perspective means. I mean, who's to say that it's wrong: imposing our own moral standards, are we? Right now I'm swamped, but I'll try to get something together in mid-March. By the way, the Thai word is "Kaliang," (however you write that in Thai!) I'm told.

I wonder whether any Thais out there could let me know any recent developments re the government's attitude toward this practice. I was told it's been somewhat discouraged.Nhrenton 17:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Songkhla Unis[edit]

Hallo Andy, du kommst doch aus dem Süden Thailands (oder so ähnlich, 55). Ich bin auf der Suche nach der richtigen Nachfolge-Uni eines Campus' der Srinakharinwirot University, die ich gerade in de: verwurstele. Es wurde wohl ein Campus in Songkhla gegründet, aus dem eine Universität entstanden ist, aber welche? Weißt du weiter? --media_lib 14:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Google fand's sofort: Thaksin University. andy 14:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Blocking a range of IPs[edit]

Thanks with your help on Alfred Wegener. Just curious, do Wikipedia admins have the ability to block a range of IP addresses? Thanks, JRHorse 18:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it has, but usually I am too lazy to calculate the right IP ranges :-) andy 18:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for blocking the vandals whose edits I was having to revert repeatedly. :) Quendus 12:30, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

It looks like you are a candidate of removing the following links:[edit]

B I jpg ogg Link Insert

...why do you keep doing this? (it is possible to create a bot which removes example.jpg, etc.) Meteoroid » 14:06, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Because a bot cannot decide whether it is only the example.ogg which has to be removed, or if that example.ogg is just part of more editing experiments. Sometimes I can press the "rollback" button, sometimes I can simply remove the example.ogg itself. Or it may be a user talk which can be replaced with a welcome message, or it is a new page which can be deleted right away. I doubt one can do a real bot to catch all cases. andy 14:15, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Example JPG links[edit]

I hadn't noticed until now, but you fixed the links I use for common vandalism on my sandbox. Thank you. Bobo. 07:01, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Linkimage[edit]

Template:Linkimage has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you.   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 23:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello I'm thai people i come to say hi[edit]

Can u read this สวัสดีคับ ผมเป็นคนไทยผมอ่านเจอในประวัติว่าคุณสนใจประเทศไทย ผมเลยมาถามว่าคุณอ่านภาษาไทยออกไหมคับ 13:10, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Very slowly, but yes. But had to check เจอ and ถาม in, those word I didn't know yet. Though I can read Thai (except the rare characters), my main disadvantage is I have such a small vocabulary and thus it take ages and lots of dictionary lookups to read any real Thai text. andy 13:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Rangeley, Maine[edit]

I asked this to the wrong person initially, but... what was your reason behind moving Rangeley, Maine to Rangeley (town), Maine? You did it in December 2004, so no worries if it's hazy in your memory now. - Dudesleeper · Talk 23:16, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually I never moved it, what I did was that I added a redirect at Rangeley, Maine, and a "see also" to Rangeley (plantation), Maine. It was RamBot who created the articles from the US census data, and as there were two census entities, one for the town and one for the plantation, that bot did not create the article at the simple name. I did some de-orphaning of such census articles at that time, so maybe I came across the plantation as an orphan, noticed that the simple name is still a red link and made it a redirect. There probably no problem in moving the town article to the simple name, I did not do at that time because I did not want to interfere with the US census project... andy 08:29, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

thanks for reverting my userpage[edit]

It took me a while to notice that anything had happened. =P Which is just the way it should be. Much appreciated! coelacan — 05:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Can you speak (or understand) Thai?[edit]

ยินดี Ahoerstemeier. zero » 00:17, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

ใช้ทักทายเพื่อนฝูง คนสนิท zero » 00:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Grand L. Bush[edit]

Thank you for your assistance. I have uploaded a photo, but another un-related photo overrides it. Will you please help me? Thanks.

37Celcius 01:13, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

User page vandalism[edit]

Thanks for catching that. The community may need to keep an eye on Graysonjarvis, or more than keep an eye on him, if you get my drift...Thanks again. Baccyak4H (Yak!) 17:43, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

That user account is blocked indefinitely, so that one don't need to take care off anymore. However he may return with a new user account... andy 17:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

User: continuing vandalism.[edit]


You recently noted:

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. andy 12:52, 19 March 2007 on that user's discussion page (sorry, this is the first time I've ever written anything on Wikipedia so I'm not clear on how to directly link to that page but will figure it out in the future if it looks like I'll start participating).

Well, today that address essentially blanked Barracuda. Just wanted to bring it to your attention as you were the last person to comment on that user's talk page about their continued vandalism.

Thanks -- 22:27, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Stop the madness - Thailand[edit]

Ahoerstemeier, where do I go to open for discussion, request, recommend, what-have-you a restriction on that Thailand article. You and a couple others are forever undoing vanadlism by ip addresses. What is the proper approach to pursue having edit of the Thailand article restricted to account-holding users? Seems like a never-ending battle, and every single case I've noted has been anonymous (ip). Or, am I making too much of it? - Thaimoss 00:31, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Thailand is a relatively popular target for stupid vandalism, but it's usually fixed very fast as well as there are a lot who monitor that article. I don't know if the amount of vandalism is high enough for a semi-protection, but you can always go to Wikipedia:Requests for protection and add it there. I normally only use my admin-rights to do semi-protection (or full protection) when an article is targeted several times within one hour, not for about one or two a day. andy 11:18, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Dell970[edit]

As far as I could tell, I'd agree it looked like the account got compromised. Things seem to be back under control, for now, and I didn't think you'd mind, so I granted their recent unblock request. Please do let me know if this is a problem. – Luna Santin (talk) 18:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


Looks like we both warned User talk:Dowj at the same time. Efficient! Removed mine. Gekedo 16:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

vandal reverts[edit]

Thanks for being my unprotecting backup lately -- I've unprotected a few high-profile articles. We'll see what happens. I'm going to keep a close eye on them too, but do let me know if they need re-protection. --Fang Aili talk 16:26, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[edit]

Hi. I noticed you changed to here. Does work differently for you? For my situation, they both return the exact same thing:

You have reached this web page by typing "", "", or "" into your web browser.
These domain names are reserved for use in documentation and are not available for registration. See RFC 2606, Section 3.

That's what they're supposed to do per the RFC. So I don't see what the problem was, unless certain ISPs or browsers fail to handle it properly. --Dhartung | Talk 17:07, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Both URL are equivalent, but the special thing about the is that it is added by the editing toolbar, same as the example.ogg or example.jpg. Usually the page containing any of these need to be checked for vandalism or editing experiments, so it makes sense to avoid to use these links, and use instead whenever needing such an example link (and accordingly example.png for images). andy 17:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC) (talk · contribs)[edit]

Don't you think this account should get a longer block considering past history and blocks? --Ronz 19:45, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Thai rivers[edit]

Hi Axxxxx I wlowly picked up some work again on nl: I am looking for data on Thai rivers (the smaller ones like the Saiburi (Sai Buri) river) and others. Does the NSO have info on that in Thai? Waerth 05:45, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Well forget about it. Within 3 hours my fanclub smelled blood. For over a year virtually no-one worked on Thailand related articles in nl: I try to do some additions again and boom all hell breaks loose everyone wants to tell me their favourite layout and why I should change it all. No-one works on the content it all seems about layout .... fuckit .... do you know someone who can install mediawiki? I have the serverspace. Waerth 20:08, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Tinsley Viaduct[edit]

Hi there Ahoerstemeier/Archive 12. I see you have edited the above article, I'd like to invite you to a poll on the inclusion or not of the coordinates box, here. L.J.Skinnerwot|I did 02:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Bangkok ACID[edit]

Just an FYI that Bangkok is an Article Creation and Improvement Drive candidate. Felixboy 18:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Article for deletion: List of Thailand-related topics[edit]

I'd like to let you know that there is a proposal for a mass deletion of numerous lists including the List of Thailand-related topics. Please see the proposal and voice your opinion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Angola-related topics. Cheers. --Melanochromis 20:01, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


Hallo, ich habe mal eine SW-bezogene Frage. Wenn ich mich richtig erinnere, werkelst du mit Delphi. Ist dir da Büchlein von Roy Morien untergekommen: "Learning Programming with Delphi" oder so ähnlich? Falls ja, wie findest du das? Lohnt sich eine Anschaffung für eine kleine Universität im Norden Thailands? Ist wohl schon älteres Werk, aber vielleicht kennst du es, bist ja noch jung... --media_lib 16:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


Hi, I notice you're an admin doing quite a bit of anti-vandal patrol right now. Can you do something about this user as well as the article Collide? I have already reported it to AIV but since I'm not an admin I can't really do anything about it anymore besides constant reverts. Thanks. Wl219 12:16, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


Working Man's Barnstar.png The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
You are awarded this barnstar in recognition of your prompt and diligent work in removing spurious links to Isle of Wight related articles. Thanks! Naturenet | Talk 16:34, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Laos internal border changes[edit]

Andy, thanks for getting back to me on the changes to Laos's internal administrative boundaries. Of course, this being Laos it is difficult to find online sources for this, especially since the Vientiane Times started to charge subscription fees to access archive material from its website. The change was announced at the beginnning of 2006 if I remember rightly, but I do not have the time right now to trawl through my back copies of the Vientiane Times. The districts have been subsumed intact into three provinces: Vientiane, Bolikhamxay and Xieng Khouang. This reverts the geographical situation back to how it was before Xaisomboun was created. Why did this happen? Perhaps because the government or military goals in the zone have been achieved or are no longer feasible. Foreigners are now allowed to visit the special zone, though not all of it. There are no sources for any of this opinion, and I could be seriously wrong on several counts, so let's just keep this on a chat page. I will update you when I do find the sources and exact details of the administrative changes. It is likely that more changes will follow in the near future: Vang Vieng district of Vientiane province is lobbying for its own independent province status. I have yet to see the Lao government publish any updated maps!Aidenglen 03:01, 9 May 2007 (UTC) Plus thanks for technical assistance on the Buffalos page. Will take me a little time to get up to speed on this.

Please help[edit]

Please contribute your expertise at Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/User_names#Thaksin --Dweller 12:55, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


Hello those words in this sandbox would be used by HighInBC for his User:HBC NameWatcherBot/Blacklist which will detect bad usernames and report it to WP:UAA to be blocked for violating the username policy. I know the names on the list is bad and because there has been a recent increase in the number of usernames created which shouldn't be allowed so till the Bot is up and running the list will remain after which I will get it deleted..Cheers..----Cometstyles 11:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Kleine Bitte[edit]

Hallo Andy,

bin auf der deutschen WP gerade mit einigen Aufräumarbeiten beschäftigt und einem lieben Mit-Admin in die Quere gekommen (siehe de:Benutzer Diskussion:Media lib), der mich jetzt trotz Diskussion gesperrt hat. Muss man jetzt als Admin, der mit Sperrung bedroht wird, als erster reagieren wie beim Shootout auf der Main Street? Kannst du da mal kurzfristig etwas tun? Danke. --media_lib 13:16, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Meistens geht es fuer den der zuerst schiesst boese aus, also unbedingt dschai yen bleiben. Ich kenne die Vorgehensweise in de: leider zu wenig (und wenn ich ehrlich bin muesste ich selbst hier in en: suchen, mir waren bislang keine Konflikte mit anderen Benutzern unerlaufen). Und leider ist der mir persoenlich bekannte und in Vermittlungsdingen erfahrene de:Benutzer:Bubo bubo gerade in den Urlaub verschwunden. andy 16:27, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Ich bin zwar ein Western-Fan, aber keine Western-Natur, weißt du ja vielleicht. Schaust du mal hier? Was hältst du davon? Ich hoffe natürlich auf Unterstützung, aber wenn du anderer Meinung bist... -- 13:22, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Redundante Informationen muessen IMHO nicht sein, insbesondere dank der Sonderbehandlung der ISBNs im MediaWiki kommt man ja sehr schnell an Infos wie den Verlag - Titel, Autor und wenn noetig Seitenzahl reichen fuer eine vernuenftige Literaturangabe im Text voellig aus, wenn der Rest ueber die ISBN erreichbar ist. Vielleicht waere es aber dennoch besser gewesen erstmal mit diesem Aufraeum-Projekt zu pausieren und in WP:LIT nach der Meinung anderer zu fragen. andy 20:31, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

User:Kintetsubuffalo/workshop/Template:User Scouttrade[edit]

I didn't do it, it was a bot that replaced it. Chris 21:44, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I know, and that bot operator did not clean up that mess even though I asked him to do. As noone else seems to care, I had to edit the 100+ pages manually to remove the example.jpg. Now there are again almost no pages using that image, and it's now possible again to find the editing experiments with that image. andy

King Amphoe[edit]

I'll stop upgrading the articles about King Amphoe since you seem to know much better about what's going on in Thailand. Is there any way to do bulk undo on all those articles I updated without your permission? Let me know.

Xpanderz 14:40, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


I did some research on these new 81 Amphoe. Some said 61 are not qualified. Some said there might be a wait for a few months, or the until the new fiscal year (October). I don't know which is true since I have no resource about this in English nor Thai.

Xpanderz 17:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Ted Peate[edit]

What revision would you desire to be done to this article? Robertson-Glasgow 19:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I have no real interest in that article, I only touched it because it contained that example.jpg image, which did not belong there. andy 19:52, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I see. Thanks, Robertson-Glasgow 11:53, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

History of Hungary[edit]

What do you think what means this:

"During the early 1970s, a Hun named Gary founded this fledgling nation. The latter's name and tribe give Hungary its name." ?

What age of 1970's?? And whp Gary?--Beyond silence 20:33, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Even more vandalism. Strangely that article is vandalized rather often lately, or I just notice it since I added it to my watchlist after reverting that page several times before. Sadly this time I did not check the history, so I just reverted the latest vandalism edit. Good you noticed the other one, otherwise it might have slipped through and stayed for some time... andy 20:42, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for fixing the damage to this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Felixcatuk (talkcontribs)


Can you explain this edit? Your edit summary ("example.jpg should not be used to allow editing experiments to be found") doesn't really make much sense to me. --DeLarge 19:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

If you activate the Wikipedia:Toolbar you see that button which easily adds that image into the article text. Thus articles which contain that image often have that image due to someone do editing experiments, or hit that button by accident. But to find such pages there should not be any pages using that image intentionally, the example.png or example.gif can be used instead for testing purposes. andy 19:41, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I'll use the .png instead, but I'm half tempted to put the .jpg back in just to be spiteful. The page is a copy of a mainspace article I'm trying to restructure, and I deliberately replaced the lone fair use image with example.jpg specifically so that I wouldn't get hassled for having a FU image in userspace. And do you think it's appropriate to replace it with Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg? --DeLarge 20:15, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
This was in user space not article space. —Centrxtalk • 20:39, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


The PSI page you have reverted to was written by a student, which is not the official position of the school. Can you respect the will of an organization to direct readers to the official web page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Wikipedia is not a web directory, but an encyclopedia, and not necessarily one read while being online (see e.g. WP:0.5). Thus every article should contain all the necessary info to be read by itself, without checking any 3rd party websites. Same as you cannot ask Encyclopedia Britannica to write nothing else but the official text from the respective topic, the same applies here. Of course if the text contains personal views, these should be removed as part of our WP:NPOV policy; if criticism is found it needs to be verifiable with sources. Of course the weblink to your school belong in the "external links" section, but text different from the school webpage needs to be there as well. andy 11:32, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

re: elevator shoes[edit]

I am the editor who rolled back your wholesale copyvio deletion. As rollback actions allow only the stock edit summary, I also included a note on the talk page explaining my rollback. Some of the phrasing deleted was mine, and therefore could not be a copyvio, being covered by GDL. Accordingly your wholesale deletion was in error at least to that extent. I had hoped that a closer examination might result in a more judicious resolution of the copyvio issue. Why did this not happen? ww 11:30, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

The rollback function should ONLY be used for clear vandalism edits, which do not need any comment. But my copyvio removal was not a vandalism edit, thus if you think it needs to be reverted you have to do it manually, and then can put the corresponing comment. I did not check the talk page, I just noticed that the same unwikified text copied directly from an external site showed up again, and did not see any reason why it was re-added. At least that new text needs to be incorporated into the article, as articles here should not be collections of text dumps from various sources, but one single article. andy 11:34, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, instructing me that I've not gotten something right might be appropriate, though opinions differ. However, the substantive point I made remains unanswered, here or at the talk page. I think much of what was excised is poorly written, but wholesale deletion seems more than was needed. Comment?ww 04:28, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I deleted it completely because I suspected it to be a copyright violation, which should be removed. Best solution would be of course if you yourself would incorporate your new text with the existing one, you can also post that new text on the talk page and ask for someone to incorporate it, or the least preferred solution put it into the article like you did before, and just tag the article with {{cleanup}}. However then it may well stay in this ugly state for months. andy 11:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Luang Wichitwathakan[edit]

Hello there. From the article's history, I saw that you were responsible for contributing to the article's content, but there were no references to back up your edits, especially Wichit's birth name "Kim Liang". I tried searching the internet, but no sources stated otherwise. As per Wikipedia:Cite your sources, I would appreciate if you could provide citations so as to back up your edits. Thanks. Mr Tan 13:20, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

It's the same book you apparently are reading right now, just from the glossary of name and not the main text. Interestingly the occupation of the parents are different in both places - in the glossary it's an orchant farmer, in the text a petty trader. So we have to find an independent second source for that. andy 19:09, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Image:Central Pinklao.jpg[edit]

Hello. There is a warning on the description page for Image:Central Pinklao.jpg at Commons. I think you forget to put in the license information there :). -- Lerdsuwa 15:52, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Fixed, I haven't uploaded much with this new upload forms and templates on commons, thus I thought it'd add all the necessary info, but seems like it didn't. andy 11:31, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Walisische Wikisource[edit]

Hi, danke, dass du auf der walisischen Wikisource "W/w/index.php" zum Schnelllöschen getaggt hast. Weißt du, was mit diesen "W/index.php" usw. Seiten los ist? Warum legen die Leute immer Seiten unter diesen Namen an? —Angr 18:08, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Das ist ein Spambot, der auf fast allen Wikis sein Unwesen treibt. Manchmal sind es nur scheinbar unsinnige Texte, machmal aber Links auf Linkfarmen mit den üblichen Spam-Inhalten - violette Pillen und ähnliches Zeugs. Bist Du Admin dort? Dann kannst Du mittels der kaskadierenden Seitensperre diesen Bot weitestgehend ausbremsen. Kopier dir wikibooks:my:User:Ahoerstemeier/Spambot, ändere falls nötig "Talk" und "MediaWiki Talk" zu dem dortigen Namen des Namensraums, und schütze die Seite, wobei das Flag "Cascading protection (automatically protect any pages transcluded in this page)" das wichtige ist. andy 20:54, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Super, habe ich gemacht. Danke! —Angr 05:06, 28 June 2007 (UTC)



Not sure if I have to be here but I have added several, I think relevant links to the Wikipedia under the name of Psycling. It seems they are all seen as spam, please explain why as I did NOT to intend any spamming... I would appreciate your comment(if possible email)


Well, a few weeks have passed. No one seemed to find it important to inform me what is going on. I can't log in anymore too. Requesting new password doesn't work. Thanks for the info. I give Wiki further a miss. Sorry to have ever disturbed you.

And after 2 months still no answer....

And after even more months Andy doesn't answer... why then this possibility to ask???? And even blacklist the only good website about Pulau Pangkor. Ah well... this is life. I can do without Wiki.

I haven't noticed this section, especially your later additions did not come to get noticed, as I normally just check at the bottom of this list. However that weblink IMHO is clearly not worth to be added, as listed in our external links policy. Just because you made a website about a trip through some places does not mean that website is relevant enough to be added to the articles on these places. andy 16:11, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, however, if you would look at Pulau, you would know it's IS relevant for the subject Pangkor as it is for Lumut. AND.. it's no reason to blacklist a websiteand to blacklist a user too. However, if this is your policy, fine, like I wrote above, I can do without the wiki traffic but it's the Wiki users who now do not get some seriously relevant info, but that's what it is. It is however strange you find the relevant for Pangkor while on that page Pangkor is not even named...

If you would have looked at the website, you would have known this website is not "just about a trip I made" I would suggest to give me a better piece of information about Pangkor and I will put it straight on the homepage of my Pangkor website with a direct reference to your Wiki page.

But I am grateful, at least you DID answer. And I also do find it a pity that once someone does make a mistake he has to bleed so much for that, blacklist a website and ban the user. But policy is policy, I can live with that. Thank you

Peter —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:37, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Sicilian Wiktionary SCN.wiktionary[edit]

Hi Ahoerstemeier. I am Sarvaturi, one of the bureaucrats and administrators of the Sicilian Wiktionary. I copied your page "Spambot" (see Spambot) and I activated the "cascading protection" as you said me, and it works very well! Thanks a lot! I have one asking: Must I update my page Spambot adding the recently attacked pages by this spammer? Please answer me in my discussion page on SCN.Wikitionary. Thanks in advance. Best regards. --Sarvaturi 13:41, 28 Giugnu 2007 (UTC)

  • Hi, okay I have just understood, I must update the page adding the pages created and damaged by the spambot. Thanks. Best regards. --Sarvaturi
  • Dear Ahoerstemeier. Thank you very much for the explanation. Best regards. Have a nice day! --Sarvaturi

Ichi the Killer DVD Cover[edit]

Hello Ahoerstemeier,

I uploaded the USA version of the DVD cover to the Ichi the Killer page. I was wondering why it keeps getting changed back to only the origianl Japanese movie poster. Am I violating a Wikipedia policy that I am unaware of? Thank you for you time.


Thank you![edit]

For clearing up that idiotic vandalism that Saitunaungkyawoo put all over my page! If u ever need anything, I am there!  Supuhstar * 

Wie Gehts? Sabai dee or should that be Sok Sabai?[edit]

Gidday Andy and thanks for your tip about geo-co-ordinates. I'll have a run through the Cambodia geo-articles and add them later. Thanks also for the offer of 'ideas' from the Thai province articles - I will take you up on the offer. Btw did you work on the featured list Provinces of Thailand - it's very impressive and inspires me to work on something similar for Cambodia. Cheers, Paxse 17:54, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, those Thai provinces were mostly done by myself alone. I set up a wikiproject (Wikipedia:WikiProject Thai provinces), but sadly it didn't attract any helpers at that time. Luckily for the districts there were Wikipedians to help, especially Thai speakers to add information only available in Thai, which I still don't speak well enough to read such texts - and for the districts there was nearly nothing to find in English, so I'd have been lost without them. But I am self-critical enough to know there are still many loose ends both in the list article as well as in the province and district articles, and I am currently still busy polishing up the district articles. It's great to see that now Cambodia has a very active Wikipedia working on improving the coverage here. andy 20:32, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


why was the information on 'lottery' undone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Because it was an advertisement aka spam for this special lottery syndicate. andy 16:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Surely it was showing people what that perticular syndicate does??

And how about the 9999 others? Either talk about syndicates in general, or leave it. Wikipedia is not the place to advertize your lottery syndicate! andy 16:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

So surely the 'e-lottery' post was specific enough because it was put in the 'e-lottery' wiki? Sorry im new to this but i dont understand the logic behind that one inparticular

Advice please[edit]

Hey andy, sorry for not getting back to you about the great work you did expanding the two provincial articles - I've been busy clearing the project assessment backlog. Listen I'm a bit worried about this [6], which has just been uploaded by a new account and inserted here and more importantly here. I think this is a very bad idea but don't know of any policy that specifically applies to this situation WP:INCITING has yet to be written :) Being Thai based I'm sure you understand the negative potential. The uploader claims to be the author, though the only similar image I've personally seen from the coverage at the time is and that caused enough anger at the time. This new image looks a little staged to me and I'm a little paranoid about WP:POINT when it comes to Thai/Khmer/Viet edits. Thanks for your help with this and feel free to tell me I'm too paranoid. Cheers, Paxse 11:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Damn I was just checking recent changes in images (it's a little underpatrolled) and found this [7] and this [8] uploaded by another account which looks like a similar M.O. to above. I think someone is trying to stir trouble is Siam. Paxse 13:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't see the connection between the first and the second uploader, but I of course agree that that photo of defacing King Bhumipol's photograph has a lot of potential for creating bad feelings. But on the other hand such things happened during the anti-thai riots, so if this photo is authenticate it is actually a great addition to the Phnom Phen riots article. However I have some doubts if it's really necessary in the article on the King himself, as the text only mentions the calming speech the King made during the riots, but not the nasty things done with his photos. But that's the viewpoint of a farang who knows about how much Thai people love their king - and from all I know about his accomplishments I can understand this very well; but I also think that Thai people use the lese majeste law way to easily, to me it seems like every hot political discussion leads to it, and even the slightest criticism can lead someone to jail. So don't be too paranoid, and I think most readers will see this photo not as an insult by itself, but a photo documenting an insult, which is something different. andy 20:17, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply and I'll try to work on the paranoia (I hear alcohol is good). I'm a deeply suspicious creature tho' and I'm not convinced these images are kosher. The Phnom Penh one looks staged to me and the other two look designed to tarnish reputations by bringing up old scandals. The two accounts were set up within a day of each other - [9] and [10] and both did almost exactly the same things - one line message on talk page, one line message on user page then upload the images. The photos are also pretty poor quality for a professional. Alright, I'll shut up but I'm still suspicious. Cheers, Paxse 14:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Assume good faith is probably the relevant policy here. It's of course possible the uploader intends this photo to create bad feelings and reactions, it shouldn't be our working hypothesis. But if we have doubt, monitoring that user doesn't harm as long as it does not turn into harassing him. andy 16:47, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
Ok Andy, I'll relax. Cheers, Paxse 18:08, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Phi Phi Island and GoogleEarth[edit]

Ahoerstemeier, This GoogleEarth thing is interesting, the more I learn about it. Bottom line, though, for me as I look at G.E. right now (another tab) there is NO Phi Phi Island on the map. Looking (yet another tab) at Yahoo, it is. The one reason I think the comment you edited out is valid is because the coordinates, if put into GE, do show empty water. - Thaimoss 21:23, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

It showed empty water in the past, but just before I removed that section I did see it where it should be, only not in high resolution yet. And it thus also shows in Google Maps. As a past bug in their maps it's not notable anymore, and maps which show it are really not notable, as that should be the default for any reasonable map. andy 17:34, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


Propose to recreate the "guideway" article since this concept/term is extensively used in many articles on wikipedia and is commonly understood in the transit industry. Please let me know if you object to a better written and researched version of the article which you deleted. Bob 22:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


With Cambodia on the province boxes I don't mean list the villages communes etc in the province box I mean to have it so you enter No. of comunes No. of villages ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you?" Contribs 12:41, 25 July 2007 (UTC) that's right thanks that looks great - I am starting all the district and will be creating table son each page to list the communes and their villages ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you?" Contribs 12:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Any idea where we can get some fair use images of Cambodian districts?? -like with the Thai amphoes?? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you?" Contribs 13:57, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

What images do you mean? Maps? I am right now working on creating SVG maps for the district boundaries, but it takes time, maybe next week I will upload the first bunch for Banteay Meanchay - I just need to finish the neighboring provinces, so it will look exactly like the Amphoe maps. andy 15:05, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes this is exactly what I mean Like Mondulkiri - this makes a massive difference!!. Howver at present the commons are questioning the image copywright. You may need to sort it out with them to prevent it from deletion. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you?" Contribs 15:10, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

If we could get the SVG locator maps for all the Cmabodian districts like Thailand with the infoboxes and the commune/village tables (which I am gradually adding) this would be of great benefit. Sometime in the future the communes will then need doing but first things first. Good work! Regards ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Expecting you?" Contribs 15:12, 4 August 2007 (UTC)


I saw your edits to this user's page -- please don't remove what a uer does on their own user page, unless what is written there is very, very offensive. The user's user page is their own, and there's no need to remove what they do on their own page, whether it's aesthetic or not, or nonsense or not. Thanks. Gscshoyru 11:35, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I disagree, pure editing experiments are nothing worth keeping. The main reason why I removed it is that it includes Example.ogg, which should not be used on any page - otherwise it will be impossible to find editing experiments done with the editing toolbar. andy 11:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
They may not be worth keeping to you... but if the user wants to keep it, you really have no good reason to delete. "worth keeping" or not, them having that stuff there doesn't detract from wikipedia... and what you're doing is starting a revert war that's gonna get one of you blocked or something. The example.ogg, on the other hand, I understand. For that you should probably take up a dialog with the user, and explain it, rather than simply removing it without explanation. Gscshoyru 11:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I didn't check the history of that user page, thus I didn't notice that the user reverted my cleanup change once before. I will contact him to ask him not to use those items from the toolbar. andy 11:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject:Roman Catholic/Diocese[edit]

Thanks for getting this started! Looking great! Student7 15:49, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Inupiaq Wikipedia[edit]

See ik:Wikipedia talk:Protected by cascading - that page does not protect against the spambot yet. andy 11:14, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for alerting me to that. I think I've got it now, correct? -- Zanimum 14:55, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


Hello Andy, I'm from Thai Wikipedia. I'm wondering if you might have comment(s) on th:จังหวัดสุราษฎร์ธานี. It's now a candidate for FA (see its talk page). --Manop - TH 18:54, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Sadly I cannot say much, as I my Thai is not good enough to read it - otherwise I would try to use content from there to further improve the English article to get it to a formal GA or FA as well - as the home province of my wife it's one of the articles I care about most. I just wonder why the link to สมพร แซ่โค้ว I added was removed, he is still present on many websites on the province even though he's dead for 5 years already, so he is quite notable for the province. andy 20:13, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I added the name back now, don't really know when it was deleted. Anyway do you have any recommendation for Thai Wikipedia? I would like to talk to you in person sometime. --Manop - TH 22:38, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I can hardly give any recommendation as I cannot follow much of what is going on there with my limited knowledge of Thai. I would only wish there'd be more Thai people editing in English (and who don't mind their Tinglish getting changed to Genglish :-), who then could help me if I find some odd things about Thai topics not covered in English texts. I sometime try to post these questions on the corresponding Thai talk page, but sadly not always getting a response - maybe my questions are so obscure that even most Thai cannot answer me. As we are talking about Surat Thani - on Talk:Surat Thani Province I just noted my latest such finding, apparently two King Amphoe were/are planned to be created, but even in Thai there are almost no hits for these names.
I love to meet other Wikipedians working in the same topics as I do to share experiences. IIRC you're in the US, so it's not so easy to meet, we have to be in Thailand at the same time by coincidence. andy 11:40, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Concerning Wikibooks LB[edit]


The problem with the luxembourgish version of Wikibooks is quite simple. We're only a couple of people editing regularly on the lb wikipedia. Unfortunately, even though we'd like to, we simply can't run other projects for the time being, since we're trying to keep our wiki alive :)

greetings from luxembourg, Briséis.

Notification of proposal: Guideline/policy governing lists[edit]

Dear editor:

Given your extensive experience here on Wikipedia, I would greatly appreciate your input on the following topic:

Wikipedia: Village pump (policy)#Proposal to make a policy or guideline for lists

Thank you in advance for any thoughts you may have on the topic.


Sidatio 15:30, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Random Smile![edit]

-WarthogDemon 21:44, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Nong Han the lake[edit]

The 'lake' is 'officially' a wetland. Google up "nonghan wetland" and see what you find. Pawyilee 07:12, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I have done more searches, myself, and found (and roughly translated) an abbreviated account of the legend of Phadaeng & Nang Ai[11]; and a summary[[12].

I posted my own English-language summary already to Nong Han Lake, but don't know what to do with my translations, which I have in Word.doc format. BTW, when I edit a Thai page, I like to translate the names into English if I can, as in Nong = swamp, bog, or fen, and han = goose. Some people have a problem with that, thinking it breaks up the flow of the text. What do you think? Would a separate etymology or translation of terms section, or sub-page for really long articles, do the trick? Pawyilee 15:11, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

It seems that you are confusing two lakes with each other. Nong Han Lake is about the lake directly northeast of the town Sakon Nakhon, while the one in Kumphawapi named Nong Han Kumphawapi is 120km west of it. Thus we should not mix content for the two lakes, though it can be interesting to find out why they share the same name. The english translation of Thai local names is of course a good addition, if it's just a translation then something like Nong Han Lake (Thai: หนองหาน, lit. Goose wetland) would be best, but if there are legends around the name then a full section would be fine. A word-by-word translation is maybe too much, as the article should still have a reading flow. Maybe put technical points into footnotes can help to preserve the reading flow without omitting the fine details which might be useful for someone really interested. Articles here still should be mostly encyclopedic, the dictionary stuff better belongs into the Wiktionaries - so you can also links it with something like Nong ([[:wiktionary:th:หนอง|Nong]]) provided that page on the Wiktionary is already there. andy 11:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Indeed I confused the two lakes as I thought there was only one! I'm dealing with folklore, and folks differ, so I can't say for sure which lake ( and some say none of the above--it all took place around Nong Khai!) One says
ทะเลสาบน้ำจืดขนาดใหญ่มีเนื้อที่กว้างหนึ่งพันแปดร้อยไร่ ซึ่งเป็นต้นกำเนิดลำน้ำปาวและเป็นที่รวมของลำห้วยหลายสายนี้มีชื่อเรียกว่า หนองหาน และเนื่องจากตั้งอยู่ในท้องที่อำเภอ กุมภวาปี จึงเรียกชื่ออีกอย่างหนึ่งว่า หนองหานกุมภวาปี

TR: Large freshwater lake with an area extending to 1,800 ry [2,880,000 sq. meters or 28.8 hectares] which is the origin of the Pao waterway and is the confluence of many streams that is called Nong Han and due to the fact that it is in the jurisdiction of Amphoe Kumphawapi, is also called by another name, namely Nong Han Kumphawapi.

Another refers to
บ้านเชียงแหว Village and Tambon Chiang Wae, Amphoe Kumpawapee, Udonthani; and บ้านดอนแม่หม้ายที่ไม่มีผัว หรือ บ้านดอนแก้ว (บ้านดอนแก้ว ตำบลกุมภวาปี อำเภอกุมภวาปี จังหวัดอุดรธานี

TR: Ban Don Widows-without-husbands or Ban Donkaew, (Ban Donkaew Tambon Kumpawapi, Amphoe Kumpawapi but which is not on the list at Amphoe Kumphawapi) ซึ่งเป็นเกาะอยู่กลางทุ่งหนองหาน ( ซึ่งยังปรากฎอยู่ถึงปัจจุบันนี้ ) which is an island in the middle of the commons of Nong Han (which can still be seen to this very day).

Right now I am deeply involved in untangling the legend of Phadaeng and Nang Ai Kham so I can post a summary of about 20 words to and

It's a love story of two guys and a girl, Phadaeng on one side, Phangkhi on the other, and Nang Ai Kham in the middle. I began the quest in an attempt to translate her name, only to find I'm married to her! Thai has an expression for soul-mates who have been true lovers down through several incarnations. Lao had Nang Ai Kham and Phangki. They have been mated down through many incarnations but, no, they are not lovers. He is a hot-head who wants what he wants when he wants it, and has no consideration for others, especially his wife. His name depends on innuendo to imply one who habitually destroys everything he touches, even though he is a skilled worker when he wants to be. Her name depends on innuendo to imply a genuine Lao miss. She attends to her husband's everyday needs, but she will not yield one inch in an argument. When he climbs a tree and eats his fill of fruit without even so much as tossing her one, she is fed up and prays that in their next lives, he be stuck on a branch (not to be reborn, or have any children) and she be mated to someone else. He is reborn as the son of the King of the Nagas, mythical serpents which represent both rivers and snakes. Rivers in spate drive snakes above ground. [The wash north of our house has flooded twice recently, and both banded kraits and black spitting cobras have sought refuge with us. My Nang Ai doesn't want to yield an inch to either flood or snake, so has hired men to dam them out. The legend bodes ill for the project.] She is reborn as the daughter of King Kom (which means Khmer) as the most beautiful (Lao) miss anyone has ever seen; and Phadaeng wants to see for himself. His name means Red Cliff and he's from a country with an overhanging cliff, but the legend does not specify just where. Basically, he is an outsider. All he knows is that, to win her hand, he must win a rocket festival tournament; but he can't get it up. The only ones who can get it up are her uncles, so the contest is called off. Complications with Phangki ensue that would never fit in a 20-word summary, especially as they involve double and triple entendre and sexual innuendo of a very racy sort, especially after Nang Ai has a hunter kill him on the branch of a tree where he stopped to eat more fruit. Nagas of every sort arise in revenge and Phadaeng tries to flee to his own country with her, but she is lost and he pines away. He becomes a ghost leading a ghost army bent on revenge against the Nagas, until almost everywhere is flooded, and Lake Nong Han is the result. Nobody wins and the morale of the tale is that bygones cannot be bygones, for ill-considered deeds done in the remote past will have ill-conceived outcomes down through the future. Wish me luck. Pawyilee 11:21, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


Hallo, wie gehts? (im trying to learn deutsch :P) Unfortunately im not nearby Sabah at the moment, so cant take photo. But if im coming back home i will try best to get some. I'll also try to see if we can get any free picture online. Hopefully there is at commons. I dont remember really seeing any rafflesia, but i heard they're quite smelly :p Is it? ANd i didnt know they had Raff. in Thailand. I thought only Indonesia and Malaysia has it. Anyway, till then. Guten tag! kawaputratorque 11:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Im not sure if u checked here: [13]. but i dont think the one (pricei) u looking for is there. kawaputratorque 12:00, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Cool. Maybe we can use those image in commons temporarily, if they dont look so bad. And, yeah, i'll remember your request, no problem. kawaputratorque 04:12, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Wat Phra That Phanom[edit]

I started the page Wat Phra That Phanom, only to realize what little I contributed is not about wat but that. It should also parallel existing article Phra Pathom Chedi in the same province. The new page is already linked to a photo on the main Thailand page. How do I fix my SNAFU? Pawyilee 04:49, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Request for Thai Wikipedia[edit]

Hello Andy, I'm wondering if you can promote three sysops into bureaucrats since all native bureaucrats are inactive. I made a request at Meta, but they suggest me to contact you instead. Please see Regards. --Manop - TH 22:59, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

There is a request on meta regarding this, a response either way would assist us. Thank you. ~Kylu (u|t) 01:48, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay, but it is now done. andy 22:16, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello Andy, thank you so much for supporting Thai Wikipedia. Since four native bureaucrats resigned last month, and the other five has been inactive. Thank you again. --Manop - TH 19:12, 11 September 2007 (UTC)