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30 August 2018

Administrators' newsletter – August 2018[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2018).


Administrator changes

added Sro23
readded KaisaLYmblanter

Guideline and policy news

  • After a discussion at Meta, a new user group called "interface administrators" (formerly "technical administrator") has been created. Come the end of August, interface admins will be the only users able to edit site-wide JavaScript and CSS pages like MediaWiki:Common.js and MediaWiki:Common.css, or edit other user's personal JavaScript and CSS. The intention is to improve security and privacy by reducing the number of accounts which could be used to compromise the site or another user's account through malicious code. The new user group can be assigned and revoked by bureaucrats. Discussion is ongoing to establish details for implementing the group on the English Wikipedia.
  • Following a request for comment, the WP:SISTER style guideline now states that in the mainspace, interwiki links to Wikinews should only be made as per the external links guideline. This generally means that within the body of an article, you should not link to Wikinews about a particular event that is only a part of the larger topic. Wikinews links in "external links" sections can be used where helpful, but not automatically if an equivalent article from a reliable news outlet could be linked in the same manner.

Technical news

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:31, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary[edit]

Happy Adminship from the Birthday Committee
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Wishing Airplaneman a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee!

-- Kpgjhpjm 00:33, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Ah, thank you, Kpgjhpjm. Time flies. Airplaneman 02:50, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Metallica "And Justice for All"[edit]


About the Metallica "And Justice for All" release date...

Aside from listing September 5th, 1988 as the release date, here are two vintage posters advertising the release date

These sources come directly from the band in the form of their own website and promotional materials.

Thank you.

GinsuVictim (talk) 19:56, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I've replied on my talk. - FlightTime (open channel) 20:00, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Is the conspiracy crap on 1967 USS Forrestal fire worthy of a RevDel?[edit]

It's all unsourced stuff from blogs. And of course WP:BLP applies to those recently deceased... Gatemansgc (TɅ̊LK) 20:11, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

@Gatemansgc: Taking a look… Airplaneman 20:12, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, though this revision should probably go too, as you can still do a prev from the next revision where the IP purged it and still see the crap: Gatemansgc (TɅ̊LK) 20:28, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

@Gatemansgc: I deleted two revisions (including that diff you provided right above) under WP:RD1 but am unsure about the other edits. I'll make a post on the administrator's noticeboard asking for a second opinion. Airplaneman 20:35, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Second opinions are always a good idea. I'll always be shocked how people think blogs are reliable sources. Sigh. Gatemansgc (TɅ̊LK) 20:39, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
See here for the AN post. And yep, it's shocking indeed. Rampant misinformation and libel is always tough… I'd like to think you and I are doing our best to combat it. I wonder if there is another (more effective?) way to go about it. Sometimes I feel like I'm playing whack-a-mole. Airplaneman 20:44, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Ah, well. And that's what we have second opinions for. And of course RevDel has to have very high usage standards because it's a very powerful tool.
It does seem like a neverending fight against vandalism at times, but that's why there can never be enough RC patrollers all using different techniques. I've always wanted to be an admin but I don't think I'd ever qualify as I don't do much other than fight vandalism. Gatemansgc (TɅ̊LK) 21:05, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Diversity of editors and vandal-fighting techniques does indeed help! As for being an admin… WP:RFA is brutal. If you haven't seen it yet, this recent Signpost 3-part series sheds some light on it. Airplaneman 22:24, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
It's pretty much all I do, if you check my edit count you'll see I only have 50something edits to talk pages. I rarely create anything, I fight vandals and sometimes fix typos. It's good to see that other people notice how scary RFA is though. I mean yes, admin tools can be dangerous if they're in the wrong hands for even a few minutes. But I didn't realize that Wikipedia was losing so many admins and gaining so few. It's a shame there isn't a trial period where an editor gets admin powers for a few hours (with a discussion period first, like the same level of discussion that goes into granting rollback) with supervision of several admins that can immediately revoke if something goes wrong, then there's a few days of comment period on how the potential admin used their powers. And why can't we have single-purpose admins? I'd like to be able to block an IP that keeps replacing a page with gibberish and obscenities, but I'm not interested in getting into disputes. If I feel I'm losing an argument, I'll just step away and go back to Gaia. Wow I'm blathering on lol. Gatemansgc (TɅ̊LK) 22:10, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
I agree with ya; there's definitely room for growth in making it easier for people to productively contribute. It just seems like the community can never reach a clear consensus on how to move forward with all of these reform proposals. It's still amazing to me how much we've done here with what we've got. Definitely inspiring. Airplaneman 23:36, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
With something so ingrained it's hard to break tradition. And truth, admins work so hard all the time! Still, it would be helpful to have single-purpose (maybe phrased as narrow scope?) admins that do specific things only. Just imagine one who hung out in WP:RFPP whenever they weren't RC patrolling, locking pages that were getting badly attacked but saving everything else for other admins. Gatemansgc (TɅ̊LK) 01:04, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Warner Bros.[edit]

Hi Airplaneman, thanks for protecting Talk:Warner Bros.! I wanted to know if you were able to redact the contents of the edits on that page, starting from 07:39 (inclusive), as they contain grossly insulting material against Aoi. Regards. Lordtobi () 11:00, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

 Done—removed material containing personal attacks against Aoi (talk · contribs) under RD3. Airplaneman 18:37, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, Lordtobi and Airplaneman, much appreciated. Aoi (青い) (talk) 19:33, 29 August 2018 (UTC)


Thanks for the welcome. It's nice to have that reassurance after wading into such acrimonious topics. Johnfwhitesell (talk) 13:16, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

@Johnfwhitesell: My pleasure. Thanks for contributing! As I'm sure you know, politics and the internet are a contentious mix (just see these topics for a taste of the conflict on here). Meetups could possibly be in your area if you feel like meeting contributors of all kinds face to face as well. Feel free to drop me a line at any time if you have questions. Airplaneman 19:13, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Character Pages That Have Been Protected Indefinitely: How Many of Them Exactly?[edit]

Dear Airplaneman,

Are you the one who semi-protected Murdoc's page indefinitely recently? You already know that he is the green-skinned bassist of the British cartoon band the Gorillaz.

Noodle the Japanese guitarist of said cartoon band had this happened to her for a short period of time. As for 2D and Russell's their pages remain unlocked.

But do you know how many fictional character pages in this website got SP'd indefinitely, e.g. Bambi from the 1942 Disney film of the same name or Ash Ketchum from the long-running and world-famous Pokemon anime series.

One last thing, you might be the one who protected the Ed Edd n Eddy character (and episode guide) a really long time ago. Just saying.

And as always please respond back to me as soon as possible.

Yours truly, (talk) 23:45, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Hey, I'm a bit confused as to what you would like from me here. Check out my protection log to see what I've protected. Each page, in its page history, has a link to view its logs as well. Best, Airplaneman 00:03, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – September 2018[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2018).


Administrator changes

added None
removed AsterionCrisco 1492KFKudpungLizRandykittySpartaz
renamed Optimist on the runVoice of Clam

Interface administrator changes

added AmorymeltzerMr. StradivariusMusikAnimalMSGJTheDJXaosflux

Guideline and policy news

  • Following a "stop-gap" discussion, six users have temporarily been made interface administrators while discussion is ongoing for a more permanent process for assigning the permission. Interface administrators are now the only editors allowed to edit sitewide CSS and JavaScript pages, as well as CSS/JS pages in another user's userspace. Previously, all administrators had this ability. The right can be granted and revoked by bureaucrats.

Technical news

  • Because of a data centre test you will be able to read but not edit the wikis for up to an hour on 12 September and 10 October. This will start at 14:00 (UTC). You might lose edits if you try to save during this time. The time when you can't edit might be shorter than an hour.
  • Some abuse filter variables have changed. They are now easier to understand for non-experts. The old variables will still work but filter editors are encouraged to replace them with the new ones. You can find the list of changed variables on They have a note which says Deprecated. Use ... instead. An example is article_text which is now page_title.
  • Abuse filters can now use how old a page is. The variable is page_age.


  • The Arbitration Committee has resolved to perform a round of Checkuser and Oversight appointments. The usernames of all applicants will be shared with the Functionaries team, and they will be requested to assist in the vetting process. The deadline to submit an application is 23:59 UTC, 12 September, and the candidates that move forward will be published on-wiki for community comments on 18 September.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:22, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Scott Wagner[edit]

Good move on semi'ing this article. But when attempting to edit it I get a message "Note: This page is semi-protected so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it. If you need help getting started with editing, see the Questions page" and cannot edit anything. I've had autoconfirmed status for maybe a decade, so something seems amiss. Also a bunch of weird stuff appears at the top of the page like some kind of quasi-GUI oriented editing environment. Any ideas? Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:23, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

@Shock Brigade Harvester Boris: My first reaction would be to log out, purge your cache, and try again. Otherwise, I'm not quite sure... we'd have to do some more digging. Editing works fine for me (but since I have admin permissions, I suppose that's not unexpected). Airplaneman 03:40, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, I got it figured out. For some reason the page defaulted to VisualEditor which apparently is not ready for prime time. I was able to activate "Source editing" and now everything works as expected. Seems a bit odd, but all is well. Sorry for the bother. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:43, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
Hey, no worries, I'm always happy to chat. Glad you figured it out. It's good information for me, too. Best, Airplaneman 03:45, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Request at RPP edited by User:Carl Tristan Orense without permission[edit]

I'd like to point out that my edit protection request was edited without my permission by User:Carl Tristan Orense. See my original version here. and his edits here and here. This is clearly against WP:TALK as the user did not have my permission to edit my comments. - R9tgokunks 05:22, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

@R9tgokunks: You know, I thought I was hallucinating or something when I saw the wording of the requests change subtly. Didn't think to check the edit history. As a note, I don't think I would have made a different protection decision if the comments had not been doctored. @Carl Tristan Orense:, please don't do this again. It's inappropriate. Airplaneman 07:02, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
@Airplaneman: I've been told via my talk page that the user also has done this to another user in the past month. On the talk page for the user implicated, there is a section a few sections up called "September 2018, where one took issue with it, yet got no response from them. - R9tgokunks 07:18, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism on the article for the new world record holder in the men's Marathon Eliud Kipchoge[edit]

Dear Airplaneman,

could you please have a look into my request for a semi protected page? There is ongoing vandalism on the runners article.

Regards, Da Vinci Nanjing (talk) 14:39, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

@Da Vinci Nanjing: Looks like your request has been taken care of. Regarding your request, having any claim to authorship to any particular article doesn't change the validity of your request. Airplaneman 18:08, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

A cookie for you![edit]

Choco chip cookie.png Your edit summary of protecting comedy made my day. :) Here, have a cookie on me. Cheers! StormContent 03:04, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
@StormContent: Thank you so much, I'm glad you enjoyed it! I'm gonna save this cookie for tomorrow. I've already had a few today… Airplaneman 03:06, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Armenia Airways[edit]

Hi @Airplaneman,

Would it be possible to separate ARMENIA AIRWAYS from ARMENIA AIRCOMPANY, because in real life they are two different companies. For some reason ARMENIA AIRWAYS redirects to ARMENIA AIRCOMPANY, but that is just because of someone's confusion, because in real life they are not related to each other. If you could separate them, that would be awesome.

Thanks, Lainjahno — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lainjahno (talkcontribs) 09:08, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

@Lainjahno: I don't understand how this gets us any closer to a solution than what I put here. Are you saying that the target of the redirect is mistaken? If so, many users have objected to changing the redirect. Airplaneman 15:53, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Ah, looks like I've found a possible future airline under "Armenia Airways". I don't think they warrant their own article yet because of insufficient coverage by reliable third-party sources. If they get off the ground, we can reconsider. Airplaneman 16:03, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Exactly, ARMENIA AIRWAYS is a planned airline that already has aircraft ready for operations. Many people oppose changing the redirect because they are confused with ARMENIA AIRCOMPANY, so if you can change the redirect target for the airline that would be awesome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lainjahno (talkcontribs) 05:12, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

@Lainjahno: If there exist enough reliable, third party sources covering this topic such that it meets notability standards, I can give you pointers on how to write a draft article for it. I don't have enough interest in the topic to make time to do it myself, unfortunately. Airplaneman 05:16, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

why do you insist on re-instating the misleading para. What do you know about accreditation?????[edit]

Your background does not relate to management education. So why are putting your nose into something unrelated to your background. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:40, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Thankfully, it doesn't take an expert in "management education" to figure out what is a possible conflict of interest on your part, just some experience and common sense. (Also, I'm curious as to what you know about my background, and how, given I don't say much at all about it on Wikipedia.) Please address the concerns from this edit, from the help desk, and from this edit. Airplaneman 11:47, 24 September 2018 (UTC)