User talk:AlexOriens

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Regarding Tilak[edit]

Hi man, I know about Arctic Home in The Vedas and I'd even issued it from a local library. Couldn't read it totally. Though read some chapters. What exact point are you talking about ? He wasn't the direct guru of Savarkar, although Savarkar was heavily influenced by Tilak. And Tilak was never a Hindu communalist. Infact, during Tilak's trial for sedition, Tilak's defence counsel was Pakistan founder M.A.Jinnah. But what exactly are you talking about AIT, I don't know. Can you please elaborate ? As far as I know, the AIT is a hotly disputed topic and one which is on the verge of being politicised. And anyway, all the theories pertaining to Aryans are quite speculative, including AIT, OoIT and AMT. But do get the point through to me. I didn't exactly get what you were sayin' --NRS | T/M\B 13:02, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

The point is the following; people who refute AIT are very often linked politically to the right-wing and to the organizations more or less hindutva-related, hence more or less related to Savarkar. The strange point is that Savarkar's influences, like Tilak rested heavily on classical Hindu (and orthodox BTW) Vedas interpretation of an artic origin of the anciant rishis. You see the contradiction ? See ya. AlexOriens 16:02, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, I got what you mean. Yeah, Tilak's writings heavily favoured AIT, while those who oppose AIT today are the right-wingers themselves. Yes, it is certainly ironical. Nevertheless, one cannot forget the fact that Tilak was a great historiographer. But, I do feel, that the right-wingers are trying too hard to showcase the Hindu people as one monolithic race. Which I feel it isn't. Whether the AIT is correct or wrong is debatable. But Hindu society is certainly not a single race. We must accept that. There have been Scythians (who are the distant tribal cousins of the Aryans), Mongoloids, Huns and others who have mingled into Indians and denying that is a great disservice to the pluralism of Indians itself. While it is debatable whether the Dravidians are a different race from Aryans, many of the Tamils do insist on that. But, as far as Tilak is concerned, there seems to be a contradiction. --NRS | T/M\B 16:13, 21 October 2006 (UTC)