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Flight 447

Alex, Reverted the crashed into sea comment, one thing is pretty clear in this accident and that is it did not crash into the sea, it broke up in the air long before. Parts landed 50kms apart. The reference is just using sloppy language, refer the many other references that tell the story. Ex nihil (talk) 06:04, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I have commented on the Talk page. Can you provide WP:RS? The BEA does not as yet state this.AlexandrDmitri (talk) 07:57, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
When BEA mentioned finding pieces from all over the plane, I couldn't accept that easily; separation of bodies and parts in two main locations 50 kms apart can possibly be explained if tail sectioned opened and released intial passengers and parts. With the tail still attached only to breakup(with impact damage as attached vs free falling which would not have much spash damage) on impact could be in an explanation of above and the news on July 2, 2009 about high speed belly contact.Patelurology2 (talk) 19:51, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
The following found on discussion page where points to look for are even being disregarded as speculation or forum activity. What information to look for and meaning behind all this should be part of discussion in order to improve the main page of anything in wikipedia; a writeup on this is needed so that when such points are presented, this should not be discarded as forum activity. Anyway, the following in block quote comes from posting by someone on talk page and seems to be a part of BEA official release. The content of the block quote seems to be in confirmation with my feeling above with respect to tail release of bodies in air at a distance from location of separation on impact. This is being written here because work is being dicarded from discussion page because supposedly is a forum activity.
1.12.3 Visual inspection. The tail fin was damaged during its recovery and transport but the photographs available made it possible to identify the damage that was not the result of the accident. The middle and rear fasteners with the related fragments of the fuselage hoop frames were present in the fin base. The distortions of the frames showed that they broke during a forward motion with a slight twisting component towards the left.p.35

Patelurology2 (talk) 03:43, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


A posting on Air France 447 talk page, for your information pertains to inappropriate comment from someone about one's nationality is as follows. This may be of interest to you.

With respect to the comments above questioning one's nationality, let us remind ourselves, if this is not germane to the Wikipedia mission, it should not be questioned; we all belong to Wikipedia Nation.

Patelurology2 (talk) 20:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)Patelurology2 (talk) 13:30, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

The French version of BEA report July 2, 2009....link is posted on AF447 main page under references [1]Patelurology2 (talk) 23:56, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I have no problem with any edits, as long as the meaning of the sentence is not changed. I agree with your proposals. --Ferengi (talk) 08:17, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

    • On 2 July 2009, the BEA released a detailed intermediate report, which detailed descriptions of all known facts, and a summary of the visual examination of the rudder and the other parts of the aircraft that had been recovered at that time. According to the BEA, this examination showed that:

the aircraft was likely to have struck the surface of the sea in normal flight attitude, with high vertical acceleration;[Note 3] there were no signs of fire or explosion; the aircraft did not break up in flight.

    • I removed "was" in the sentence and still I was not satisfied and was trying to re-word totally in the background; being a beginner didn't want drastic changes. The sentence origially as is now, is awkwardly unsatisfactory and removing 'was' still is unsatisfactory, so needs more thinking. Remember that, the beginnining of sentence to be incorporated from " According to the BEA, this examination showed that: "Patelurology2 (talk) 19:38, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
      • the aircraft probably struck.... might do it----- I thought that the first time, but it would change lot of words with probable change in meaning re opinion etc.Patelurology2 (talk) 19:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
        • .. the aircraft likely struck.... would do also.Patelurology2 (talk) 01:05, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

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MD from France

You did MD from France. Is there any english medium French medical school ?yousaf465'

The Pierre et Marie-Curie University in Paris offers some limited courses in English [2] (note that the information is given in French). However, they also note [3] that the University is a scientific and medical University and that a good knowledge of written and spoken French is required. When I obtained my MD there were no courses in English that I was aware of, and I studied in French (of which I am a native speaker). Regards AlexandrDmitri (talk) 19:20, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the links. So you did you MD in French. No university offers MD in Englsih then ?yousaf465'
Unfortunately I cannot tell you much more than a Google search will come up with. I studied in France in French, and practiced in France. As for Sweden and Switzerland, off the cuff: Swedes tend to learn English from a very early age and master it frequently; Switzerland is more complex with regions speaking French (with slight variations), Swiss-German (which is not a written language) unofficially and German officially, Italian and more rarely Romansh, and is not an EU member. AlexandrDmitri (talk) 14:40, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
What about rest of Europe, especalliy Switzerland and Sweden.yousaf465'
Not that I can find easily. However, you might like to consider studying in the UK, where your UK MD will be mutually recognised in the European Union. However, out of experience, you need to speak the basics of the local language - and medicine is far from basic - to practice in France. For example, all information about a drug licensed in France will be given primarily in French. What is appreciated, however, is a Doctor capable of communicating in English, especially in larger communities. AlexandrDmitri (talk) 07:28, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

List Of Morocco butterflies

I put my thoughts on this articles talk page as you suggested.Believe me checklist compilation is not creative. Very useful but a total bore and invariably controversial.I think that Tarrier's copyright probably relates to his site design and layout.Nonetheless you have a point (the page is too close a copy rather from deference than any other motive) and I will make some changes and add some refs and comments (September). Many thanks.I hope we can improve this article and also give some thought to the issue In Wikiproject Lepidoptera.Best wishes from Ireland Robert Notafly (talk) 20:27, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

You might like to contact the author and get permission to relicence the information on WP. If you want to draft the copy in English, I'll happily translate it into French. Regards, -- Alexandr Dmitri (Александр Дмитрий) (talk) 21:43, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


    • Butterfly treat for both of you from the Late Principal of the Rajkumar College, Rajkot in India *Principal Wynter-Blyth, M.A. (1957) Book- Butterflies of the Indian Region, Bombay Natural History Society, Mumbai, India.Patelurology2 (talk) 01:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you for the help with the Taco Bell thing! SpongeDaisy333 (talk) 00:05, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


Hashish Page edit

I don't see what the problem with what I did is. I reverted two vandalism edits as an anonymous user. If you have a problem with an anonymous editor actually contributing for once, or are simply spouting out convoluted and automated responses to spontaneous edits like mine; then I will refrain from contributing to wikipedia. 12.240.59.56 (talk) 17:11, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Please accept my sincere apologies for the inadvertent welcome template, apologies which I have also posted at your talk page. I am not quite sure what happened here:
(cur) (prev) 11:11, 13 July 2009 AlexandrDmitri (talk | contribs) (18,428 bytes) (Undid revision 301837397 by 82.69.95.176 (talk)Vandalism) (undo)
was my last edit to the Hashish article. Quite as to how I accidentally posted on your page, I remain perplexed, but will look into it. -- Alexandr Dmitri (Александр Дмитрий) (talk) 17:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter - July 2009

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Flight 447

Alex, Reverted the crashed into sea comment, one thing is pretty clear in this accident and that is it did not crash into the sea, it broke up in the air long before. Parts landed 50kms apart. The reference is just using sloppy language, refer the many other references that tell the story. Ex nihil (talk) 06:04, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I have commented on the Talk page. Can you provide WP:RS? The BEA does not as yet state this.AlexandrDmitri (talk) 07:57, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
When BEA mentioned finding pieces from all over the plane, I couldn't accept that easily; separation of bodies and parts in two main locations 50 kms apart can possibly be explained if tail sectioned opened and released intial passengers and parts. With the tail still attached only to breakup(with impact damage as attached vs free falling which would not have much spash damage) on impact could be in an explanation of above and the news on July 2, 2009 about high speed belly contact.Patelurology2 (talk) 19:51, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
The following found on discussion page where points to look for are even being disregarded as speculation or forum activity. What information to look for and meaning behind all this should be part of discussion in order to improve the main page of anything in wikipedia; a writeup on this is needed so that when such points are presented, this should not be discarded as forum activity. Anyway, the following in block quote comes from posting by someone on talk page and seems to be a part of BEA official release. The content of the block quote seems to be in confirmation with my feeling above with respect to tail release of bodies in air at a distance from location of separation on impact. This is being written here because work is being dicarded from discussion page because supposedly is a forum activity.
1.12.3 Visual inspection. The tail fin was damaged during its recovery and transport but the photographs available made it possible to identify the damage that was not the result of the accident. The middle and rear fasteners with the related fragments of the fuselage hoop frames were present in the fin base. The distortions of the frames showed that they broke during a forward motion with a slight twisting component towards the left.p.35

Patelurology2 (talk) 03:43, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


A posting on Air France 447 talk page, for your information pertains to inappropriate comment from someone about one's nationality is as follows. This may be of interest to you.

With respect to the comments above questioning one's nationality, let us remind ourselves, if this is not germane to the Wikipedia mission, it should not be questioned; we all belong to Wikipedia Nation.

Patelurology2 (talk) 20:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)Patelurology2 (talk) 13:30, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

The French version of BEA report July 2, 2009....link is posted on AF447 main page under references [4]Patelurology2 (talk) 23:56, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I have no problem with any edits, as long as the meaning of the sentence is not changed. I agree with your proposals. --Ferengi (talk) 08:17, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

    • On 2 July 2009, the BEA released a detailed intermediate report, which detailed descriptions of all known facts, and a summary of the visual examination of the rudder and the other parts of the aircraft that had been recovered at that time. According to the BEA, this examination showed that:

the aircraft was likely to have struck the surface of the sea in normal flight attitude, with high vertical acceleration;[Note 3] there were no signs of fire or explosion; the aircraft did not break up in flight.

    • I removed "was" in the sentence and still I was not satisfied and was trying to re-word totally in the background; being a beginner didn't want drastic changes. The sentence origially as is now, is awkwardly unsatisfactory and removing 'was' still is unsatisfactory, so needs more thinking. Remember that, the beginnining of sentence to be incorporated from " According to the BEA, this examination showed that: "Patelurology2 (talk) 19:38, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
      • the aircraft probably struck.... might do it----- I thought that the first time, but it would change lot of words with probable change in meaning re opinion etc.Patelurology2 (talk) 19:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
        • .. the aircraft likely struck.... would do also.Patelurology2 (talk) 01:05, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter - June 2009

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If you are no longer interested in WikiProject Eurovision then please remove your name from this list. This Newsletter was delivered by Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 02:40, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Straw poll on reliable sources for Eurovision articles

The second RfC on sourcing for Eurovision articles has now being running for several weeks, you can view it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision#RfC on reliable sources for Eurovision articles. In order to help gauge the spread of opinion and draw conclusions from this discussion a straw poll has been started at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision#Straw poll. All project members are encouraged to read the RfC thoroughly and then cast their votes as they see fit. Rationales are still encouraged in the main discussion area above the poll, and participants can add appropriate new sources or options to the poll as they wish. Camaron · Christopher · talk 18:49, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

MD from France

You did MD from France. Is there any english medium French medical school ?yousaf465'

The Pierre et Marie-Curie University in Paris offers some limited courses in English [5] (note that the information is given in French). However, they also note [6] that the University is a scientific and medical University and that a good knowledge of written and spoken French is required. When I obtained my MD there were no courses in English that I was aware of, and I studied in French (of which I am a native speaker). Regards AlexandrDmitri (talk) 19:20, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the links. So you did you MD in French. No university offers MD in Englsih then ?yousaf465'
Unfortunately I cannot tell you much more than a Google search will come up with. I studied in France in French, and practiced in France. As for Sweden and Switzerland, off the cuff: Swedes tend to learn English from a very early age and master it frequently; Switzerland is more complex with regions speaking French (with slight variations), Swiss-German (which is not a written language) unofficially and German officially, Italian and more rarely Romansh, and is not an EU member. AlexandrDmitri (talk) 14:40, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
What about rest of Europe, especalliy Switzerland and Sweden.yousaf465'
Not that I can find easily. However, you might like to consider studying in the UK, where your UK MD will be mutually recognised in the European Union. However, out of experience, you need to speak the basics of the local language - and medicine is far from basic - to practice in France. For example, all information about a drug licensed in France will be given primarily in French. What is appreciated, however, is a Doctor capable of communicating in English, especially in larger communities. AlexandrDmitri (talk) 07:28, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

List Of Morocco butterflies

I put my thoughts on this articles talk page as you suggested.Believe me checklist compilation is not creative. Very useful but a total bore and invariably controversial.I think that Tarrier's copyright probably relates to his site design and layout.Nonetheless you have a point (the page is too close a copy rather from deference than any other motive) and I will make some changes and add some refs and comments (September). Many thanks.I hope we can improve this article and also give some thought to the issue In Wikiproject Lepidoptera.Best wishes from Ireland Robert Notafly (talk) 20:27, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

You might like to contact the author and get permission to relicence the information on WP. If you want to draft the copy in English, I'll happily translate it into French. Regards, -- Alexandr Dmitri (Александр Дмитрий) (talk) 21:43, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


    • Butterfly treat for both of you from the Late Principal of the Rajkumar College, Rajkot in India *Principal Wynter-Blyth, M.A. (1957) Book- Butterflies of the Indian Region, Bombay Natural History Society, Mumbai, India.Patelurology2 (talk) 01:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you for the help with the Taco Bell thing! SpongeDaisy333 (talk) 00:05, 23 July 2009 (UTC)


Hashish Page edit

I don't see what the problem with what I did is. I reverted two vandalism edits as an anonymous user. If you have a problem with an anonymous editor actually contributing for once, or are simply spouting out convoluted and automated responses to spontaneous edits like mine; then I will refrain from contributing to wikipedia. 12.240.59.56 (talk) 17:11, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Please accept my sincere apologies for the inadvertent welcome template, apologies which I have also posted at your talk page. I am not quite sure what happened here:
(cur) (prev) 11:11, 13 July 2009 AlexandrDmitri (talk | contribs) (18,428 bytes) (Undid revision 301837397 by 82.69.95.176 (talk)Vandalism) (undo)
was my last edit to the Hashish article. Quite as to how I accidentally posted on your page, I remain perplexed, but will look into it. -- Alexandr Dmitri (Александр Дмитрий) (talk) 17:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter - July 2009

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If you are no longer interested in WikiProject Eurovision then please remove your name from this list. This Newsletter was delivered by Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 23:28, 31 July 2009 (UTC)