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Evidence and citations for the The[edit]

  • If The is not part of their name it makes them Beatles - no need for "the" I mean you'd say I heard Beatles. You would not say I heard the Yes, the Oasis, or the Genesis.Vera, Chuck & Dave 18:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
  • McCartney is on record as being irritated by Yoko persistently leaving out "the" from the group's name"
"When she referred to the Beatles, she called them 'Beatles': 'Beatles will do this. Beatles will do that.' We said, The Beatles, actually, love.' ...I mean, she even took our personal pronoun off us, you know?" (laughs) (Many Years From Now, p. 492) Raymond Arritt 21:03, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Not sure what this is supposed to show -- at most it shows that McCartney (along with most of the rest of the world, no doubt) wants a definite article to be used with "Beatles." It doesn't say anything about whether that definite article should be capitalized. It's actually kind of funny (and doesn't particularly advance the Big T argument) that Barry Miles, in transcribing that very same interview with Paul, uses Little T (see the fifth word following): When she referred to the Beatles, she called them "Beatles." McTavidge 05:17, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

tHe bEaTlEs[edit]

A friend has tried to get a GCSE course work book but she's had no luck, it's bloody half term! BUT she has a degree in English, and this is (only) her take on it: The problem is arising because the definte article ie the has been used as part of a name The Beatles. If you were Jimmy Jones, and you had a son who you decided to name The, his name would always have to be The Jones, never the Jones, because it is his name. Any good or shall we go with the vote? Vera, Chuck & Dave 18:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good to me, but we'll have to get a bit more than that. I'll look through my copy of "The Elements of Style". I read the conversation between us has been described as "could be trying to influence the decision", BTW. Never heard such rot... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 18:38, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, that doesn't work. The the in the Beatles is an article; the The in the name you mention, The Jones, is not an article, it is a noun. --Lukobe 21:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

No, the The in The beatles is part of the name, even though it can also be an article. ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 21:59, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
That's poppycock Sir Sean, an the bounders know it! Gonville Bromhead VC
Why didn't Linda yell "He's The Beatle Paul!" at those guys who were mugging them in Lagos instead of "He's Beatle Paul!," then? Sorry, you'll never convince me the is a noun in the Beatles. --Lukobe 05:05, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Maybe cos she was a foreigner just like Yoko? vErA ChUcK & daVe
So you'd call him "The Beatle Paul," not "Beatle Paul"? --Lukobe 19:48, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Neither, I'd have yelled: "He's Paul, he was a member of The Beatles"! Vera, Chuck & Dave 11:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
OK, suppose you were copyediting Linda's utterance. --Lukobe 18:10, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Spooky! I was just going to leave this! Riddle me this Batman: If The is not part of their name it makes them Beatles - no need for "the" I mean you'd say I heard Beatles. You would not say I heard the Yes, the Oasis, or the Genesis or am I cracking up? Vera, Chuck & Dave 18:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

By George! (medal) methinks you have something there!
(Without upsetting any other editors who may think Vera and I are cooking up something dubious here, may I suggest that we are co-operating in an open way to find an answer to this The problem.)
To Vera: We should collect all these things together, and present them in the best way possible on the policy page. The 'pool may yet win the title... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 18:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree on both counts M'lud! Vera, Chuck & Dave 18:23, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
No can't see any crap - I'd forgotten that the Yank Scuffers had pluged the poor sod. Vera, Chuck & Dave 19:22, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Right Our Kid, Duty calls! See yer later. You'll Never Walk Alone
That is a damn fine point. It ain't the Oasis, and it ain't Brotherhood of Man (thank the deity of your choice!) It still needs backing from a tome, though. LessHeard vanU 20:58, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
  • "Some kinds of loneliness is measured out in miles,
  • What makes you think your something special when you smile?"

That couplet is utterly brilliant... The rest of the song ain't shabby, either (and some good jelly roll piano to boot). Gear song! LessHeard vanU 20:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Currently my favorate underrated Beatles song (for some reason, there, it is just Beatles rather than "the" or "The" or "THE!!"). The piano, guitar and bass riffs are all fantastically groovy and creepy and roll along with each other brilliantly. I think it's about John re-assuruing Paul "you're a fucking idiot, but I'm your mate and I'll stand by you" (which is actually a Right Said Fred song) - a lesson that we can all learn from (your all fucking idiots arguing over the letter "T" but at the end of the day, you are good for wikipedia and I will argue with Americans til I'm blue in the face for you, regardless of whether I agree with - or even understand - your point). Hare Krishna, my dear boys --Crestville 11:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Rushing in where angels fear to tread. PMcC would agree with you. He's on record as being irritated by Yoko persistently leaving out "the" from the group's name - "Beatles will do this, Beatles will do that." I'll try to look it up tonight (his quote is in Many Years From Now, if memory serves). Raymond Arritt 21:03, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I have to say I did not follow much of the above, I think you lot are talking in scouse or something.... that said, I wonder if I dare say anything here? I've found WP tends to take the view that it doesn't care about wishes with respect to how to capitalise/spell/pronounce/title things, even of folk as prominent as Macca. Cf. LEGO which is merely a redirect for Lego, despite The LEGO Group wanting it spelt in all caps. That Said I think The is right, personally, but despair of prevailing sans some style guides or at least some consistent cites where it is used that way that show preponderance of usage. As for collusion here? as if. ++Lar: t/c 21:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
General Rules of Capitalisation, Chambers Concise Dictionary

Capitalise Proper Names, Place Names and words used as names - The Windy City, The Who, Old Father Thames, The Beatles, The Grim Reaper etc. Vera, Chuck & Dave 11:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Feckin thick as one as well Kidda! my Collette found it when I was at work! Vera, Chuck & Dave 18:42, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
What do you make of this sentence fragment in the Mal Evans article? "The idea was that the whole Beatles entourage would live on the islands..." --Lukobe 05:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I have just started it, so it's a mess at the moment. If you want to change it, then please go for it. ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 20:08, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
That's not exactly what I meant--I mean, by your logic, shouldn't it be "The idea was that the whole The Beatles entourage..."? --Lukobe 18:10, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

The Mal Evans'[edit]

No problem mate. It's pretty easy. If you have a look you'll be able to work out how to do it.--Crestville 17:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Special section[edit]

I have created a section at the top of my discussion page for evidence and citations for The Beatles. Please add to it when you have a fact, as it will be presented as a complete statement on the The Beatles' policy talk page (but will not be presented as a vote, a straw poll, a survey, or anything at all that is binding... :) ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 17:30, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Conversation with Crestville[edit]

What about rock, paper, scissors? Thumb war? No?--Crestville 17:43, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
No, we've got the gloves off on this one. Get greased up and throw your hat (or the towel) in the ring. I would personally prefer to be working on getting Mal Evans up to GA, but I get confused about the Tea I'm brewing. Ho-hum. ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 17:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Last Wednesday I paid £2 for a cup of "Russian Caravan" tea. It just tasted like normal tea - not a hint of vodka-stained formica. What a fuckin' rip off, I've got normal tea at home! Tetley tea (though that may also be misleading if you were expecting an ale-flavoured tea). So, in conclusion, I totally understand how you can be confused by tea.--Crestville 17:51, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Right, me laddo, explain why there is a silly rule about the milk going in first. I know the answer, so... on your marks, get set, and go! ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 17:57, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, firstly you're not meant to put milk in Russian Caravan but no one told me that so I made a tea-related faux-pas. Opinion is divided on the "milk first" rule - some people are adamnet that a proper cup of tea is not complete unless the milk has been put in fist. Other refuse to drink tea unless the milk is the final addition. Both claim their method enhances the taste. I, personally, believe this to be the height of bullshit and can find no discernable scientific explaination for the phenominon, other than a deeply ingrained desire to pretend then know something about tea. I put the milk in first purely because if you do it while the kettle is boiling it saves time. And I'm Northern so you know it makes sense.--Crestville 12:42, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

People put the milk in first because the ceramic quality was so low that the hot tea would crack the cups. Tah-daa! Ever tried boiling an egg and then putting a tea bag in the pan just before it's ready? Saves time, water, electricity and you do two things at once. Now you know it makes sense... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 12:46, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Mal Evans[edit]

This any help? [1] Vera, Chuck & Dave 18:56, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks 'r kid, but I've got that one. Aspinall has references, but not poor Mal. Bugger... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 19:02, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Found ONE Mention of him in Paul McCartney by Alan Clayson - "During one Abbey Road session in 1966 Mal Evans was sent to purchase a copy of Aftermath, the new Stones album - because formidable though Lennon and McCartney's head start was a year after their first Stones A side - 1965's The Last Time - Keith Richards and Mick Jagger had penned all 14 tracks of Aftermath." That's it! Vera, Chuck & Dave 19:32, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


"It is still usually up to a smaller group of people who decide which arguments have carried the day"... What does that mean? (as if I did not know).

  • Who are these people?
  • Why is their opinion regarded as The Concensus?
  • Is there a hierarchy in Wikipedia? I thought "Anyone can edit" meant freedom (with in-line citations) and not control by a select few.
  • All contributors are equal, but some are more equal than others. Does this apply? ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 14:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I am seriously 'effed off about this. I will finish Mal Evans and get it to GA, and then seriously consider my position (which I don't have, because I'm not a part of the hierarchy, who do not reveal their positions.) ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 14:55, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I work here for FREE (no, I pay for it) and I am told that opinions of editors who all agree with other are worth 'effin 'eff-all, because "a smaller number of people" do not agree with them. What the 'eff is all that about? There is something very distasteful about all this that gives me a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 15:10, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

wots going on Andrea? Vera, Chuck & Dave 15:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Read this: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The Beatles/Policy ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 15:31, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand - who are these smaller group Vera, Chuck & Dave 15:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Correct me if I'm wrong - what's going on is that certain people are saying that style negates the general rules of capitalisation? Is that it? Vera, Chuck & Dave 16:00, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
No, it's saying that whatever we agree on, it could be negated by "a smaller group of people who decide which arguments have carried the day", which means that they decide and we can all 'eff off and go home. ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 16:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Consensus means: 1. majority of opinion: The consensus of the group was that they should meet twice a month. 2. general agreement or concord; harmony.
  • A minority that decide for the oft-quoted Wikipedia word "consensus" does not own a dictionary. ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 16:59, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, sorry I misunderstood - No, No Feckin way Pal!! Vera, Chuck & Dave 16:56, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
What's your definition of 'general rules of capitalisation' and 'style'? --Lukobe 18:09, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
General Rules of Capitalisation, Chambers Concise Dictionary - Capitalise Proper Names, Place Names and words used as names - The Windy City, The Who, Old Father Thames, The Beatles, The Grim Reaper etc.Vera, Chuck & Dave 11:50, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Andrea, put "the" Beatles into Chambers on line 1997, (nothing comes up in 2007) and see what happens!

There's got to be more than that to the entry. --Lukobe 22:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Check out this Chambers entry on the Beatles (see the text box at the bottom -- it's the only time this page uses "the" and "Beatles" together other than at the beginning of a sentence: [[2]].

Pity it doesn't appear in the article though! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vera, Chuck & Dave (talkcontribs) 12:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC).

It is as it is[edit]

Thanks a lot guys, but there really is no point at all in finding references when the policy is decided by someone else = "a smaller group of people." We could go at this until we are blue in the face, but it would have no effect. This problem will keep cropping up for ever and ever, so I'll just go back to getting poor old Mal Evans ready for a GA, and then have a good, long, hard think about doing something else...

BTW, if any editors want to look at the Wikipedia:Manual of style, you will find that there is not one single book referenced - not one. I find that outrageous, after we are constantly admonished about in-line citations. (I was guilty of putting far too many in on the Macca page.) We can not argue with a style manual that we can not disagree with - having no references to prove its point - and are constantly thwarted by being told that our references do not comply with the consensus, which is decided by a minority of higher (self-elected) mortals than ourselves. In effect, we're stuffed.

If this all seems like a rant, then I suppose it is, but I write this with a heavy heart. Keep your noses to the grindstone people, and doff your cap when "the suits" walk by. The hierarchy is here to stay, as "the powers that be" have firmly decided. ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 15:44, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Tea games[edit]

That's a great idea. Your carbon footprint must be fucking microscopic.--Crestville 15:52, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Crestville is talking about the idea of boiling an egg and putting a teabag in the pan before it boils, so saving time and energy. As for my carbon footprint - it is. I do not own a car, and live in a very small apartment with one radiator, for which I pay about 120 Euros a year. I do talk a lot though, so I am releasing lots of harmful "gas" into the air. I slap myself on a regular basis for damaging what oxygen we have left... :) ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 16:03, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
You Swine. I cut down trees with a petrol-powered chainsaw and use them to start massive bonfires, then heating a faulty boiler, which turns a turbine, powering a generator, which lights a small sign saying "save energy" for about 20 minutes. Then I repeat the process and sit in my house with all the lights on and the heating on full watching it out of the window and banging at people who don't look at it. I'm doing my bit, what about you?--Crestville 16:46, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I waste energy and pollute our pretty little world by consuming lots of electricity editing Mal Evans (who, it seems, nobody gave a shit about) running a computer and a television at the same time, smoking, drinking beer from cans (recycling? - shove 'em in the bin) farting a lot (after the beer, which releases very toxic fumes into the atmosphere) using public transport - (the Hon. Jeremy Clarkson proved that a full train uses more energy than cars) and using taxis because I'm a lazy arse-git-sod. I'm trying my best - honest... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 17:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

What makes you say no one cared about Mal Evans? He was one of their best friends.--Crestville 16:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Read his (Mal Evans) page. He was their dogsbody, and Macca didn't let his wife sell the lyrics he collected. Read the diaries on the external links page as well.
"Despite going everywhere with The Beatles, and showing their devotion by carrying out whatever demeaning errands The Beatles wanted to be done, Evans and Aspinall were sometimes reminded that they would never totally be a part of the group. One sarcastic look, or an unkind word from one of The Beatles would make them realise what their position really was."
"If John Lennon said, "Socks, Mal", Evans would have to rush to a local Marks and Spencer store and buy six pairs of cotton socks for him." ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 17:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
They could be wankers, it must be said. But at the end of the day, that was his job.--Crestville 13:10, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Bill Harry[edit]

I got an e-mail from Bill today, which was his personal answer to a question about The problems we are having concerning certain problems. I will let you know what he said if I win 5 English/British/UK Pounds (Copyright Crestville)... :) BTW, I was once advised that getting the truth from "the horse's mouth" was not acceptable behaviour by "the powers that be" (whoever they are...) ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 17:32, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Pounds of what? Raymond Arritt 17:43, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
£s and £s of luvverly money/quids/gelt/fivers/hard-earned brass, with The boot-iful queen's head on em, an' all. (It's not my fault that Austrian keyboards don't have the £ sign on 'em, and I have to copy them from Crestville's hopeless requests for dosh).  :)ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 17:50, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
I got another e-mail from Bill Harry today, which makes two, and he doesn't know anything about where Mal Evans went to school. I will look for Harry's books though, because (as quoted) he knows a lot more about ThE bEaTlEs than most other people (including Bob Spitz, who wrote that Freddie Lennon took John to Brighton for a holiday, and not Blackpool, which was the true destination). ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 20:33, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

good ol' mal[edit]

I've added the "The Beatles" template at the bottom of Mal's page, but I've just noticed he's only got a place in related articles. I'm not sure if he can really qualify as management, but it seems a bit harsh to relegate him to related articles. I'm slightly wary of tampering with the template though, as it appears on virtually all Beatles-related pages. Sorry for being a pedant! Liamshaw 21:14, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Do whatever you think is right. ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 17:31, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


Nah, servus, du geile kleine Süßes liebling. Bin ich bei Mal Evans, oder was? ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 23:17, 27 February 2007 (UTC) The time is now 0:17, by the way, so the recorded time is 1 hour too early...

Sie kann dass editieren nicht verstanden, glaub' ich, und Mal Evans. ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 13:20, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
ich liebe dich wirklich, you will never believe me,,, And I love Mal Evans too.

Image size[edit]

I noted your preference for small images and then saw some images you changed to 100px (I think; eyes and rest of body are getting tired so I could be mistaken). On my screen, that means images are quite small and the average image looks like an icon, not an image, if you know what I mean. Why not expand on that a bit, say to 100px or (gasp!) 200px? Done properly, graphics can help the overall appearance of the page. I know larger versions are available by clicking the image, but that doesn't help the article page. Comments? John Cardinal 06:18, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I like your practice, described above, of replying on the same page as the comment. I'll watch here for your reply. John Cardinal 06:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
You have a point, John Cardinal. I think 150 to 200 is OK, but when they get bigger they start to take over the article. I even once made one 250px on the Macca page, BTW, after I was told to sort my rectum out by one disgruntled photographer who had uploaded his own photograph. Anyway, as long as they're evenly spaced and don't crowd each other, then do as you think fit. ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 13:18, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: No reason[edit]

Hello to you as well - I saw you on GAC with Mal Evans, and good luck in getting that to GA. Ever thought of directing your attention to Pete Best or Stuart Sutcliffe? I wouldn't have thought their pages get much attention from the cruft inserters of Wikipedia, which means you won't really be disturbed.

Another thing; has peer review helped with Mimi Smith?

And another thing; ever thought of doing up some Beatles song articles? There's many layouts you could go for with such an article - I favour the one I've gone for with Eyes of the Insane.

Nice to see you with more GAs by the way. LuciferMorgan 09:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm working on the Mimi peer reviews, which are helping a lot. Pete Best or Stuart Sutcliffe? Hmmm... Thanks Lucifer, and sorry that I keep writing GAR and not GAC.... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 13:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

GA—which is a short step from a B-article[edit]

Sometimes I treat myself by having a look at this: The Beatles' Status Board. What it says it that "the powers that be" do absolutely 'eff all (if you look at the history) but blab on and on about contributions and tHE style. They hate the idea of getting their sleeves dirty—because they definitely don't want to—as their exalted positions would then become redundant. I'll bet that they do not know what "elbow grease" means. (If they do, it is then even more embarrassing for them...) The John Lennon article was started in 2002. When will it ever be a Good Article?ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 21:51, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah - effed off[edit]

It just gets on my tits that a minorty of people just want to and are allowed to win an argument and you just know that they really don't give a flying fart {or know anything of substance) about The Beatles! This Wikipedia is really a very strange place, I'm going to have to think long and hard about making any more conributions. At this precise moment in time, I feel that it's a futile exercise - in time to come, you just know that "Marv Beetle, Hank Beetle, Chip Beetle and Wacky Beetle were born in California, deplaned in London town and all dove into the River Liverpool!" Then, they'll start punctuating James Joyce!

Oh, I didn't mean to do that, I made meself laugh! And we just got beat 1-0 by the Mancs, so that's saying something eh? Cheers Kidda, Vera, Chuck & Dave 18:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Hope you're not referring to me. --Lukobe 21:35, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Why don't you stop "Eyewigin" other peoples pages? Vera, Chuck & Dave 22:12, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
I am interested in what Andreasegde has to say, hence his talk page is on my watchlist. --Lukobe 06:56, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
You satisfied now? You [expletive deleted] [expletive deleted] [expletive deleted]? Now go running off and report me to an Admin - like I give a flying [expletive deleted]! Vera, Chuck & Dave 14:54, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

WAIT A MINUTE - what's all this about??? ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 16:10, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I have put [expletive deleted] over some words written by Vera, because I think they are more interesting when you don't know what they are :) (You can look at the history pages of course, but I wouldn't recommend it.) I can assure any concerned editor that Vera wrote his words in haste, but he's allowed to do that, because he has a George Medal, which none of us has. Any complaints should be sent (on a self-addressed stamped postcard) to: Blue Peter, BBC, London. Don't expect a reply though, 'cos they're [expletive deleted] snowed under... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 16:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I used to have a metal george, which was an instrument for removing fishing hooks from fish (not of the Wiki variety, regretably) that had swallowed same. Do I win £5 from Crestville? LessHeard vanU 17:55, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

LessHeard vanU constantly amazes me with his knowledge of subjects that are beyond my comprehension. (This is the truth, and a compliment BTW.) As for the £5 - I'm not sure if Crestville has two ha'pennies to rub together... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 19:16, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll have to owe it you. I have a concussion.--Crestville 12:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


This is a personal message to Vera, Chuck & Dave, and to all the others (who definitely know who they are):

I am so grateful that I have had the opportunity to talk/write with/to you, and to work with you - for that, I will be eternally thankful. I came here for a bit of fun, and to have a bit of a chit-chat about The Beatles. As it turned out, I have contributed to more articles than I expected, but that has been extremely enjoyable, because of the brilliant humour and steadfast support that always encouraged me. I talked about you all (many times) to my friends. I thank you for the friendship, the good times, and when I laughed my bollocks off. As for the nitpickers, I can only repeat the phrase, "Fuck the fucking fuckers", as people are wont to say... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 04:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

This is a personal message to my Pal Andrea:

You are a really great lad, even me baby girls love you! And I would have you standing beside me any day of the week. Love and God Bless ColletteX, PoppyXXXXX, SammieXXXXX, & Tony

Alright La? Yeah, I read your messages (then of course you knew I would) but I've really had enough of these arrogant sods butting in on other peoples pages - have a dekko at theirs sometime - wer'e all ignorant plebs and "wasn't the intenet better before the scum were allowed in, oh and here's a link to my web page, you may be interested in doing business with me" , how does that work? You, Joe, Ray and Mark are as good as gold, but I don't even want to be anywhere near people like that. Maybe I need a break, I don't know, but I'm pretty fed up with Wikipedia at the moment it's like South Africa used to be - Minority Rule! Yeah, maybe I'll have a break, and see how I feel then. Take care Pal, Best Wishes, tHe bEaTiEs
Of course I will Soft Lad! Yor me bezzie net mate! And If I didn't, I'd have me baby's on me case, I told yer, they think you're dead funny! Cheers Pal, Vera, Chuck & Dave 19:20, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

What is all this mad talk? crazy, I tell you, utterly crazy. we will all stay and be good. I have a concussion.--Crestville 12:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

er... is there something I can help with, or need to know about going on here? This is the page of someone I find quite a fun chap and quite a productive contributor to our project and I'm concerned. if not... tell me to sod off, I won't mind... ++Lar: t/c 19:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

"And now for something completely different"[edit]


This a great trick and you should try it on your friends, family daughters or whoever....

Here it is:

I'll bet I can make you say "sixteen" in the next 2 minutes. (Your partner-in-crime should look at their watch...)

Then ask them to solve mathematical problems, like what is 10 + 7, or 70 - 15, etc,.... It doesn't matter - it's just a ruse to confuse them.

Then ask them what 40 + 20 is. They will say "60". You (and your partner-in-crime) must laugh and say, "Ah, you said it!"

They will then (definitely) say, "But you said SIXTEEN!".... Ah-hah! They SAID IT!.... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 18:14, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Little things please little minds... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 17:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

This is a great little trick that will make you enemies of former friends and colleagues... Find female (to taste) with whom you are friends. Comment that you have a skill of mind control that results in you making her breasts jiggle without touching them. Say that you are so sure you can, without physical contact, make her breasts jiggle that you will wager £5.00 (or other similar amount). Once they agree (always the trickiest part) start staring intently into their eyes; if they start giggling protest that they are making it difficult as giggling imparts motion to the chest area and the results may be disputed. Once they realise you are serious and are able to hold themselves still you then reach out and molest them claiming "That is worth a fiver!". LessHeard vanU 23:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC) This is unlikely to help your defence in a court case, you do realise?

Mal Evans[edit]

Please see WP:LAYOUT. Also concerned at so many photos which only incidently apply to Evans. Yet nobody has bothered to put a picture of Evans up. Have you created Have you created Pavements where the Beatles walked yet? BTW FWIW I only saw the Evans article because it needed some disambiguation. And I have written articles from scratch - and I pleased when somebody else improves them. --Richhoncho 09:05, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Never start a sentence with also/yet/and. I pleased also. You didn't improve it, you reduced it.
P.S. I find your comment, "Pavements where the Beatles walked" to be a really brilliant idea. Would you like to help us start it? ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 11:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Can't read. Have concussion. Over indulged on Sat & fell face first into a brick wall. Remain dazed & confused. Will read later. Regards!--Crestville 12:34, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Does that mean that you have broken your nose AGAIN? Poor Crestville - if he was a boxer he would be the only one in the world to knock HIMSELF out... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 18:59, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
By the way, congratulations on doing a great job on the Mal article. --Lukobe 19:37, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I thank you kindly, kind Sir. I thought it was time to do something for poor Mal (and Freddie, Julia, Mimi, and Neil) so as to correct some Urban Legends that one constantly reads, that are absolute tosh. ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 20:06, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

The wall and I are not on speaking terms. Surprisingly I didn't break my nose though it is a bit bruised.--Crestville 11:13, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

My brain and I are not talking either, we each blame the other for the fall. Frankly, I think my brain handled the situation badly and is irresponsible. My brain blames my legs for giving way and my arms for not even attepmting to break my fall.--Crestville 11:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

The bosses[edit]

I copied this from that band from Liverpool's project page, because I felt like it...

So they are self-elected, and there is a hierarchy.

"Hierarchies denote a singular/group of power at the top, a number of assistants underneath and hundreds of servants beneath them."

Nobody is allowed to vote to reach a consensus and the minority rules. Does Mr. Wales know about this? If he does, then does he approve? I can't think of a worse position to be in. We are volunteers that are dictated to (and I don't use that word lightly) by a self-elected board of governors. Bloody hell, I'm gobsmacked...

Thanks for your reply BTW, LessHeard vanU. ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 18:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Macca Span[edit]

Watch this: Macca Span Look at the titles - it says "a journy of 26 years". The stupid buggers spelt it wrong! They'd never get a job here at the workhouse... ThE bEaTLeS aka andreasegde 20:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Brian Epstein[edit]

I seem to be running into some flak on Brian Epstein's page. In-line citations seem to be the problem, as the editors there like POV/unreferenced sources. andreasegde - who is getting pi**ed off 22:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

see below Tvoz | talk 08:28, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Almost at the end of the road[edit]

This is just a personal note, and has nothing to do with Wikipedia at all. Like, I'm telling the truth here.. like fu*k. Oh, [expletive deleted] it. :)) Tw*tface aka me 22:49, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Take a break. Don't even look at WP (or at least A Certain Project) for a while. It is only the arrogant and stupid who don't sometimes get peeved off about it (Duh, Hi, My name is Mark and I have only missed 2 days...). You can be certain that should you step back, and then decide to have another go at it that there will be plenty of stuff to do upon your return.
If you can't exactly let go then there are two alternatives; one is find a different subject to amuse yourself (although you will likely find the same frustrations, but in a different context) and the opther is to go to some of the Wikipedia pages (like Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)) and try to influence how WP works... it is quite refreshing when somebody treats your opinions like a reasonable human being, even when they disagree with you. It certainly widened my appreciation of the overall picture.
Basically, if you aren't having fun then best find a way to rediscover the joy. Do whatever it takes. Mark 00:03, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I thank you kind sir, and I will contemplate your words. I still enjoy it, but I'm getting irritated by the politics. There is no way around that, as they will always be there. I had a lot of fun on the "small people" pages, as I was left alone. It was a shock to start on Eppys page and be brought back into the world of bickering, especially since we all had a good thing going on Macca. andreasegde 08:39, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


Alright Kidda? Looks like we could both do with a big pan of Scouse! WTF is goin on? Cheers La, Vera, Chuck & Dave 00:38, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, la. Just the usual. Nice work the 'pool did against Barcelona ey? I thought it was a 'hit the post' competiton for a bit. Don't look at the bottom of the championship league though... :) andreasegde 08:21, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I can see there's no need now, the big guns have come in! My Collette says that he's just a "Merchant", (I think you'll know that 'avin lived in Smoke) I say - lob 'Im off The Stick! Yeah, hit the post competion alright, I was watching "thru" me fingers at times! And yes the girls LOVE the 16 one, they pull it on everyone, including themselves - work that one out! I can't! Cheers la, Vera, Chuck & Dave 12:57, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Just been drawn away to PSV Eindhoven. We could end up playing Chelsea! Now there's something to look forward to - World War 3 in the house! Bill Shankly's Red Shirt


Hello! I haven't been here much lately, so I don't know if this is what you're referring to, but I happened upon Talk: Brian Epstein tonight (specifically [3]) -- and I left my 2-cents. Or tuppence, if you prefer. Tvoz | talk 08:28, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Tvoz, I thank you from the bottom of my wallet. Your words were right on the button, and I thank you again. andreasegde 08:39, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

The Beatles' miscellanea[edit]

Hi Andrew, Could you read and reply to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_The_Beatles#The_Beatles.27_miscellanea? What do you think of the proposal to move the article into WikiProject space where normal article rules don't apply? --kingboyk 13:31, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. Anything to stop this bull happening every month. andreasegde 16:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

All OK? Drop me a line by email if not. --kingboyk 18:35, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I trust whatever you think is reasonable for the Triv page. Maybe it was [expletive deleted] as they say, but who knows? I'm too busy getting the "small people's" articles to GA, which seems to be my forte. You know your stuff, so it's always fine by me. :) andreasegde 18:38, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I think it's better than having to fight against deletion every month, and better than actual deletion although that was. It can still be worked on, it can even be moved back into main space at some point, anything is possible :) The reason I thought it not a bad idea is that Vinoir and I did the same with Wikipedia:WikiProject The KLF/Additional Communicators which we didn't know what to do with... there's talk of making that into the basis of a new article now, so maybe the same can happen. Better than deletion, job done, and back to work :) --kingboyk 18:51, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Laughing one's 'footballs' off[edit]

I know exactly what it is that I have been missing: a good belly-laugh. I miss the wonderful humour of Crestville, Vera, Less heard, Kingboyk, Tvoz and others. This is my fault, as I have been digging deeper and deeper into articles that require a GA, and I forgot my own sense of humour. I think I left it on a bench in the park – if anyone finds it, please send it to Blue Peter, BBC, London, on a self-addressed/stamped postcard.

I will now stand back and start laughing at myself - “cos that’s the way to go, bro” (how could I have forgotten that?) Could somebody now please give me a totally stupid and completely irrational Barnstar for being too serious? (I promise not to lend it to my neighbour so he can plug his leaky drainpipe with it – honest). I shall now throw away my shovel (the “digging my own grave” project was coming along nicely, BTW). andreasegde 18:59, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Does anybody want to buy a stainless-steel shovel with an easy-grip handle and pine shaft? andreasegde 19:03, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Lily whom, may I enquire?[edit]

Any idea as to the maiden name of Lily Evans before she married Mal? I've looked on t'internet but nothing is forthcoming. Do you happen to have it in some ancient tome lying around? Worth a try. Thanks mate. Shrub of power 23:52, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

No idea at all. Mal's past is as unknown as my recollections of the nine months I spent/slept in my mother's womb. If you find anything at all I will kiss your feet (but I will wash them first... ) You are from Northern England, BTW.... :) andreasegde 00:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Time to wash me pants[edit]

To Vera, and Less heard... I have just, and still am/laughed/laughing me testicles off. (Work those tenses out, you Austrian English-teacher [expletive deleted] [expletive deleted].) I'm stiill laughing , so it's hrd to ty<pe. sod - it will do-... you have (I#m still laughing) Oh fuck it. i will sleep well. do You think i 'll get a GGa feor this shite? Ok , sign your name twafface nd sod off... andreafefdeandreasegde 01:36, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh bugger, Ihave just realised that I have jusr saved this cobblers for ever and ever, amen. bugger... i#m astill laughng... andreasegde 01:39, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

The Beatles miscellanea[edit]

Exactly--it was your own compatriot who tried to stifle any responses to my comment. Lexicon (talk) 01:55, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I suggest a good long hot soak in a bath with the partner of your choice (preferably with someone whom you are in love with). It always helps me, and it could be good for you as well. I am here because I love improving the/The Beatles articles from Start/B-Class to GA. Why are you here, exactly? Please don't answer that, because it would be a waste time for us both. Have fun, and get on with the job... andreasegde 02:10, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

See what I mean?[edit]

OK, I have stopped laughing now (it's a hard life) but I will absolutely refuse to engage in any conversation in the future with anyone that comes here for an argument (see previous comment from Lexicon).

Enlarge articles (Uhh-err Missus) put citations in, have a belly-laugh, and meet some wonderful people - what more could a person want? That's it, in a large nutshell... andreasegde 02:29, 10 March 2007 (UTC)