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MotorPrinter links removed[edit]

Hello Mr. Dingley: Sorry for your concern regarding my recent entry for 3d Printing of electric motors and generators. I was only following the United Technologies example. However, after your comment, I understand the conflict. Instead, I would like to put the following into the section, "MotorPrinter is being used to manufacture the only brushless wound-rotor [synchronous] doubly-fed electric machine system known as Synchro-Sym to provide a range of electric motor and generator systems without RE-PM and with cost performance as never before seen" of course with links to "motorprinter", wound rotor doubly fed [Wikipedia], etc.

Is this okay? I am new to at least responding to users, so your response will let me know that I am doing at least this correctly.

Best Regards, Fred Klatt


Hi Andy, Please stop undoing the edits on Superheater and take the time to read the text. Unsaturated steam and wet steam are the same thing. When I first read the article, it was confusing, which is why I took the time to edit it. The revised text should be clearer to everyone. Jonathan 123987 talk 00:34, 26 January 2014

MLPainless and Vani Hari[edit]

I get the subtle feeling that someone who talks about being "up against a little team here"[1] might possibly not be here to make good-faith edits. Call me crazy.

University of Exeter workshop[edit]

Thanks for your note re the University of Exeter workshop. I'm not quite sure what I'm going to find when I get there - I've asked for more details about how many potential participants. If it is only going to be half a dozen then probably happy on my own but if 20+ then someone else would probably be useful. There was a call for help on this over a year ago (Daria & Harry were involved in setting it up) You say its not far -where in Wales are you?— Rod talk 10:37, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm just a leek's throw from England. On the South Wales main line, so I know I can get a train from my door to Exeter's door. If you've not been to Exeter before, it's a nice place, but parking is hellish, B&Bs expensive and a B&B with parking even more so. It's a place for visiting by train. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:03, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
That's a little unfair; parking is pretty good these days, and with the improvements to junction 29, driving around the city has improved too. But still, a much better place to visit by train, it's true. Harrias talk 12:10, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
I hadn't really thought about travel yet, and have never been to Exeter University before, but had added an external link to Exeter University July 2015 highlighting the Travel details and campus maps from the university. My experience is that there is usually parking at universities in the middle of July as many students have gone by then. NB I don't yet know the room & which campus etc.— Rod talk 14:05, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
The two main campuses are pretty central - easy walk. There are some other campus(es), but they're satellite campuses and not really in Exeter. I think one's not even in Devon! Andy Dingley (talk) 14:31, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I've just heard back from Exeter about the study day/workshop on 15 July & we may have 20 ish participants, so if you are still free, it would be great if you were able to come along. I've now heard the specific venue is "expo lab 1 in the Forum" (but I've not checked where that is yet).— Rod talk 14:12, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Rod, I'll have to check the diary and get back to you. I've a big project coming up, probably not started by then, but might be. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:19, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
Any news on this as an email discussion took place today about expenses and whether accommodation etc would be needed? Can you email me so that I get an email address to forward/copy you in to the discussions if you are going to be able to make it.— Rod talk 20:08, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
Looks good Rod, Unfortunately my email provider and usual email address has chosen tonight to do "No Core Services Affected" on-the-fly maintenance, so it's all b0rked for tonight. I'll message you later, if it ever works again. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:55, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Indian Space Shuttle Programme[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Indian Space Shuttle Programme. Requesting you to add your opinion. Regards Thanks. M.srihari (talk) 07:32, 8 June 2015 (UTC)Srihari

A barnstar for you![edit]

Original Barnstar Hires.png The Original Barnstar
I believe you were right about 5.5s serving in Korea, it appears the 74 Medium Battery (Battleaxe) equipped with 5.5s served in Korea during the last few months of the war. Mrniceguy101 (talk) 18:28, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
The Battleaxes were quite famous for it. Not Glorious Glosters famous, but still some pretty major engagements. Andy Dingley (talk) 19:51, 10 June 2015 (UTC)


You introduced a whitespace inside ref tags. Why? Why is this useful? And why your version is better than mine? You changed a long-standing consensus on the page to use unspaced tags and then you reference to CITEVAR that contradicts your actions. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:40, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

I did not "introduce" it. I created that page, and I created it, as always, with useful whitespace in a non-critical location. This helps to make wikicode source easier to edit manually by content creators. Remember them? There is no "long-standing consensus" on that page. WP:CITEVAR (per recent discussions on this issue, see its talk:) has become a bad and mis-interpreted guideline because it is being used to prevent against well-thought-out manual edits that improve the clarity of references. If so (and even its author thinks it has now been misinterpreted), then it's certainly a shield against pointless 'bot damage from a 'bot that sees "damage" where there is none. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:44, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Please revert yourself[edit]

Please revert yourself. [2] As you well know your personal assessment is insufficient and what is required for inclusion, as per the lead muliple valid sources that assert the death as unusual, not some third state proximate cause. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:11, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

No. It's a valid addition with good sourcing. Yet again, you do not WP:OWN this, or your many other claimed articles. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:14, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Caisson lock[edit]

You have more comment at [3] (talk) 15:12, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Champion (spark plug)[edit]

Cessna 172 F-BXZQ.jpg

Hello. For information, see: Champion Aerospace - Spark Plugs. --Cjp24 (talk) 23:41, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes, a photograph of a Champion spark plug might be a useful addition.
A photograph of a Cessna, with no visible sparkplugs, is not. Not even if it has them hidden away inside. Not even if it has an invisibly tiny sticker on the cowling. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:44, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
This photo shows the existence of Champion Aerospace, a division of Champion (not indicated in Champion (spark plug)), and (authorized way) a (small) logo of the brand. In general, logos on vehicles are not big. --Cjp24 (talk) 00:00, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
Just what new knowledge is imparted to the reader by using this photograph? That Porky Pig is prone to shooting at it, mistaking it for a duck hunt? The sticker is tiny. The sticker conveys nothing. Even a photo of an aircraft owned by Champion, using Champion parts, would still convey nothing if we can't even see them. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:31, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
This photo shows (one application) that Champion is present in aeronautics and a (small, of course) logo of Champion (here Aerospace). --Cjp24 (talk) 00:47, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
A tiny photo of a sticker shows nothing about anything, even when it's your photo (and your aircraft?) Andy Dingley (talk) 00:51, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
May be the legend of the photo was not the best. This photo shows above all the activity in aeronautics, not indicated in the page, not a sticker. It's not my aircraft, see more aircrafts on Commons. --Cjp24 (talk) 01:11, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
My toolbox has a Champion spark plug sticker on it. It's not aerobatic though. A sticker proves nothing. A photo of a tiny sticker doesn't even prove that much. Andy Dingley (talk) 01:16, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
This photo shows mainly an aircraft, not a sticker. It illustrates the presence of Champion in aeronautics. --Cjp24 (talk) 01:34, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Other example: see Ferodo. --Cjp24 (talk) 01:48, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

A discussion is open at Commons:Bistro here. --Cjp24 (talk) 03:43, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
The discussion here belongs on the article talk: page, not on my talk: page, not at Commons, not on a French talk page. I have sympathy for the language issue, but this is the English language WP, after all. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:29, 15 June 2015 (UTC)


I moved Motorist to Motorist (disambiguation). While I disagree that a dab page is needed or appopriate here, if one is needed, there is a clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and the pages need to be organized according to the guidelines.--Srleffler (talk) 04:42, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Foreach loop[edit]

Re [4]: CoffeeScript aside, what do you think about moving the page to Comparison of programming languages (foreach loops)? I mean, the page is more like a list than a proper article anyways :) It would make it fit in with the other comparison lists in Category:Programming language comparisons, which is where I found the page in the first place. (talk) 16:40, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

That's already what this article has become. I think we should delete it instead, or at least prune almost all of it.
This is an article about foreach loops, not languages. It should only include language examples where they add to that. So the concept of "foreach" should be explained. An example from a simple language that supports foreach should be given, then other languages only where they illustrate some variant of this. So C/C++ could be in there four times (Pointer increment, array index by offset, macro and C++ foreach). It would also need a Lisp-like example for heavily recursive languages. Maybe Visual Basic to show the method-based form .foreach() for COM objects. A functional version (like LINQ or OCaml) demonstrating use with lambda functions. Python to show list comprehension or generator expressions.
We need to lose the repeated statements of the plain, uninteresting, foreach loop form just in different (and usually editor's favourite) languages. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:51, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Please take another look[edit]

Hello! I am leaving this note for you because you participated in a deletion discussion about the Wikipedia article titled Institute of Continuing Education. I substantially expanded the article today (for the helluvit), and would appreciate if you would take a look and see if it’s better than when you last saw it. Cheers.Anythingyouwant (talk) 03:38, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I've always been in favour of keeping this, as I considered it a currently poor article on a notable topic that deserved expansion. Thanks for actually doing it. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:12, 18 June 2015 (UTC)


It did. That's why I fixed it in the article. Dimethylmercury is not mercury poisnoing as much as cyanide poisoning isn't carbon poisoning. Per the article it's not metabolised or broken down in any way into mercury. It always say dimethylmercury poisoning not mercury poisoning. It's not mercury poisining. So I revert your suggestion back at you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dqeswn (talkcontribs) 17:03, 18 June 2015 (UTC)


(re: this) - Gee, Andy... those red links have been there for almost 10 years now. Don't you think it's ok to remove them? Or do you honestly think articles for them are going to be created? (say, before the end of this decade?). I only ask because in your eagerness to pounce on that revert, you didn't leave anything in the edit summary or on the talk page that would explain why. - theWOLFchild 01:27, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

I think that it's time someone wrote an article on weld spatter. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:33, 21 June 2015 (UTC)


"Humorist" is correct in British English. See for example here. Please consult a dictionary and self-revert. Feel free to check before you make a mistaken correction next time. --John (talk) 22:36, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Why not look at which spelling Cutler favoured? Although humorist is indeed correct, so is humourist. Nor am I ever going to take the Economist, the Daily Mirror for people with money and a distrust of long words, as a style guide. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:06, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Nah, it isn't just the Economist. If you say Cutler preferred an unusual spelling, a source for that would be appropriate. Otherwise, please admit your mistake and learn from it. --John (talk) 23:10, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Gentlemen, "humorist". Oxford English Dictionary 7 (2nd ed.). Oxford University Press. 1989. p. 484.  and "humourist". Oxford English Dictionary 7 (2nd ed.). Oxford University Press. 1989. p. 486.  are both listed without a clear preference for either. The quotations prior to 1718 prefer the former with later quotations preferring the latter. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 08:23, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
Thankyou Martin
I don't know what "" is. It claims to be the OUP (there are a number of "Oxford" dictionaries on the net), but it's a drastically cut-down version of the real corpus. I would no more use it than the Economist.
I do of course use an OED. A big blue one at home (sometimes I have electronic access, but paper is cheaper). As Martin noted, they're both in there. If he has access, he'll also see that one of the alternate meanings was as someone susceptible to the effects of humours. Cutler's choice was a deliberate pun on this (when did Cutler ever pass up a pun?). Andy Dingley (talk) 08:36, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
Good lord what a pedantic at best and otherwise self-serving attitude. Where is it written that your attitude should prevail in an encyclopedia? Juan Riley (talk) 19:09, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Steam cars[edit]

Hi Andy there is an obvious disagreement between you and User talk:Lathamibird in the Steam car article. Can you both raise the issue in the articles talk section so that a consensus can be reached. Thanks NealeFamily (talk) 10:19, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

"Disagreement"? Is that what you call blanking sourced sections now? If he's really convinced that "99% of steam cars were non-condensing", he needs to pitch up some sourcing for that. Maybe "99% by distinct model" by listing every backyard-special separately but, given the production dominance of the few larger makers (White, Stanley, Doble), this figure is a nonsense for actual cars made. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:25, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Chepstow listing[edit]

I reverted IkbenFrank partly because there was no mention of listing in the article, which goes against WP:CAT#Articles ("it should be clear from verifiable information in the article why it was placed in each of its categories"); partly because I couldn't find the station at and partly because IkbenFrank has a history of adding irrelevant and inaccurate information. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:13, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

The Newman book refers to N. Lancaster Owen, who I can't find... but there is a W. Lancaster Owen. It could be him - Newman's typo, perhaps - or it could be a brother. Any thoughts? Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:35, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
Lancaster Owen didn't work for the GWR, and in any senior role, until some years after Chepstow station building was built. One of Stephen Jones' 'Brunel in Wales' books has the best description of the line. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:21, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
OK, but Newman says: "Railway Station, Station Road. 1850 for I. K. Brunel's South Wales Railway, designed by N. Lancaster Owen....." Do you think that is incorrect and that Newman is unreliable? I don't have the Jones book - does that contradict Newman? Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:29, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
I don't know a "N. Lancaster Owen". William Lancaster Owen is well known as an engineer of works for the GWR, but not until 1875 (he worked early on for the GWR, but this seems to have been more of an internship under his father. Then he made his own career on canals before returning.).
I don't know offhand the build date for the Chepstow station building. There was expansion work at Chepstow under his charge in the 1880s, especially the expansion of links into the ironworks site. As to the station building, then my understanding is that it was built around 1850 - possibly 1852, when the through route across the bridge opened. At which time W. Lancaster Owen was about 7.
So the station building is either newer than the station and was a Lancaster Owen design (which might also explain why it's not listed). Or else the station building is original and pre-dates him. Or there's another N Lancaster Owen in the GWR who's otherwise unrecorded. But it's implausible that William Lancaster Owen was designing station buildings in 1850. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:47, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
Also worth noting is that the whole building was lifted to fit onto the new raised platforms during the gauge conversion. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:49, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
It's probably a Newman cock-up - but it's "a well-known local fact" (apparently) that the existing station buildings were built "by" (or at least for) Brunel. It would be good if we could get it definitely sorted out one way or the other. Would it be better to remove the mention of Lancaster Owen entirely? Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:36, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration motion regarding Arbitration enforcement[edit]

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Mention on Arbitration Enforcement case[edit]

I wanted to let you know I mentioned you on Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Arbitration enforcement/Evidence in this edit and I may mention you again in future edits. This is just a courtesy to inform you that you were mentioned. Thank you. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 17:49, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

On the hiding of threads at Wikipediocracy[edit]

I moved the thread (about you and Metasonix originally, though it has strayed quite a bit now) after seeing Fae's comment, and put it in a subforum that bots can't see. We do that whenever a thread goes in a direction where one or more people being discussed probably wouldn't want that discussion to come up in a google (etc.) search. I also binned the post Fae was referring to, FWIW.

A lot of those discussions are just inside baseball with little or no educational value to the general public anyway, so we just assume that people (mostly Wikipedians) will just sign up for an account if they want to see it. --SB_Johnny | talk✌ 20:45, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

But the threads with my home phone number, the photographs of my partner, that's all OK? Andy Dingley (talk) 20:51, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
Email me a link please. --SB_Johnny | talk✌ 21:05, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
Did you not realise just what a pit that place is? Search back on ANI here and watch an admin telling me to "man up" and refusing to act over it, because outing's a banning offence hereabouts, but if it's done by the same people on a different website, that's all fine and dandy.
As I'm a non-member of Wikipediocracy, you have more search access and access to more threads there than I do. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:11, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
Well, WP's pretty much a pit too (did you notice that the guy who started the pit apparently thinks that the middle east can be improved by stirring up drama?), but at least WO's self aware about that. I did a quick search, didn't see anything like you described, but feel free to drop me a line if you run across it again. --SB_Johnny | talk✌ 21:33, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
You could try searching for your own name. You'd posted to that thread. Your act of shocked innocence just took a bit of a hit there. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:59, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
Wouldn't help much since I have 3,000+ posts over 3.5 years, and frankly I don't read every word in every thread. However, since you seem to have found the thread now, you can either email me a link to the part you'd like removed, or not. --SB_Johnny | talk✌ 02:08, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

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Bob Essery[edit]

Please explain this revert. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:02, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Are you serious? As you clearly don't get it after a bunch of ALLCAPS boards, there is nothing I can say now that will explain it to you. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:05, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
What bunch of ALLCAPS boards? --Redrose64 (talk) 17:08, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

User:Fklatt adding promotional material[edit]

You might be interested in this Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents thread: User:Fklatt adding promotional material. This relates to the "MotorPrinter links removed" section at the top of this page. --Guy Macon (talk) 15:08, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Motion passed in AE arbitration case granting amnesty and rescinding previous temporary injunction[edit]

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