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EastEnders episodes[edit]

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moved to User talk:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes

Hi AP, glad that I could collaborate with you on the EastEnders episodes. Just wondering if I should add a note to episodes that are featuring: a character joining, leaving, recast etc. or one-hour episodes or if the episode is aired on BBC2. Just a simple: Note: This episode aired for one hour or a Note: The episode featured the departure of Emma Summerhayes (Anna Acton). Thanks - Soaper1234 (talk) 22:07, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

No need to add the length as User:RachelRice added a column for it (see User:RachelRice/List of EastEnders episodes (2015)#January (1 January was 65 minutes)). For BBC2 broadcasts, this year there haven't been any but in my previous drafts, see User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes (2014)#July, I've added it in the text. No need for the word "note" and especially not for bold. I always added "real world" information about episodes at the start of the episode summary, such as 3 July 2014, "One hour (double) episode, originally scheduled for broadcast as two episodes on 1 and 3 July, but the 1 July episode was postponed due to the World Cup" with reference. Also, in User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes (2013), someone else added text for me like "Dexter Hartman arrives", to signify it was the first episode, however, when I added the episode summary, I removed that and added storylines that made it clear that character arrives in that episode. But in the 2015 page, User:RachelRice has said "Last appearance of Khali Best as Dexter Hartman and Anna Acton as DC Emma Summerhayes." I don't think there's anything you need to do in any of these respects, to be honest. AnemoneProjectors 22:20, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi again, continuing my work on User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes (2013) and I thought if an episode is 60 minutes, but not two episodes merged into one (i.e. there is three episodes in the week, with one of them a 60 minute - effectively making it four regular episodes), would that class as an episode that would have a 4560-01 number or would it just be 4560? Also, if the case is that it remains with a 4560-01, would the second number be 1-2 or 1? Thanks, Soaper1234 (talk) 15:02, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Has that ever actually happened? We need to make sure the episode numbers all follow on correctly, the 2013 list has all its numbers, and follows on from the 2012 list. If in doubt, try to find the episode number online. Channel 5 used to have them in their soaps, which is where I originally took them from, then it was tvtv or something like that but that site ended, so now it's just down to Radio Times, and Digital Spy has started publishing them too. But the number for 4560/01 is correct - are you thinking of a different episode or wondering if it might come up in the future? (By the way, I used '/' not '-' because this is how they were listed on one of the websites that no longer list them.) AnemoneProjectors 16:57, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
By the way, if you Google the episode number, such as "eastenders episode 4562", you should get a matching Radio Times page. It won't give the date of the episode, but you could compare the credits to the BBC. Also check the history of the 2013 page you are editing - you removed hidden comments with RT refs that included WebCite archives I had done to preserve the page with the episode number and date intact. From http://www.webcitation.org/6D84Q9V4c you can see that episode 4562 was broadcast on 2 January 2013. Double episodes are not numbered by Radio Times (http://www.webcitation.org/6D84zS0Eq), so if you can't find what you want, it's probably a double-numbered double episode. AnemoneProjectors 17:07, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Had a look and I understand what you mean. I am aware of where I'd slipped up. I removed the hidden refs because there was none for User:RachelRice/List of EastEnders episodes (2015), which I thought was the template. I can add them back if you'd like me to. Thanks, Soaper1234 (talk) 18:40, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
I originally added refs for episode numbers because I thought they might be needed, but then started hiding them and in the end stopped adding them at all when I figured they weren't going to be necessary. No need to add them back - the history has them if they are needed, but it would be for reference only. I was going to remove them myself at some point. I'm just concerned that if we complete all 31 years, they numbers won't run consistently! AnemoneProjectors 18:45, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
Hi Guys do you need any help, I am a fan of EastEnders and don't mind helping, episode numbers can confusing but can be found using a variety of sources including VT Clock Card. They are hard to find here is an example of Episode 4693 that aired on 19 August 2013.
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/eastenders/images/2/29/EastEnders_VT_Clock_%2819_August_2013%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150523213931
Thanks Kelvin 101 (talk) 19:46, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Help is only needed with older ones, I think Soaper is working through them really well though. I have 4693 as 16 August 2013, though. AnemoneProjectors 22:35, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Oh @Soaper1234:, I saw you removed all my own episode summaries from 2013, which I don't think was necessary! AnemoneProjectors 22:35, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Oh also, Soaper1234 - double episodes should be with a / not a - thought I'm not sure where Rachel got the - from. I got the / from a reliable source that no longer exists and kept it consistent. Again, something that didn't need changing. But when there's a double episode, the number-in-year number only increases by one, as the episode numbers do not necessarily match the number of episodes. So 3 January 2013 is the 2nd episode that year, for the purporses of that article, and then the infobox says 204 episodes (which it did before), and not 217 (which it does now). AnemoneProjectors 22:43, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Sorry about that AP. I removed your episode summaries because I was going to add new ones, but I could just edit out the links and that would make it easier. I've been a tad unavailable recently, but should be back getting on with the episode lists soon. I really trying to work with 2013, then I'll move to 2014 and 2012. I'll change the '-' to '/' and I was just using Rachel's list as a template, hence following that rule. Why is it a double episode with the overall numbers, but not in the year? Sorry if I have done anything incorrect and please let me know if there is anything else. :) Soaper1234 (talk) 17:15, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

@Soaper1234: Sorry if I came across a bit moody before! :-) I would prefer it if you just edited my existing episode summaries rather than remove them and start again. The difference between - and / probably doesn't matter that much but I've only seen / used elsewhere. I did say that all pages should follow Rachel's 2015 format, so I can understand the change. I did mean to add "with minor changes"! I think with double episodes, it was just something I decided... perhaps because they're produced as two episodes but broadcast as one, so episode number (for example) 5555/56 could be episode 23 in the year and episode 5557 could be 24 in the year. Maybe I am wrong, which means I will also need to make updates. Actually, Rachel did do the same as me in the 2015 page, I think, unless it was me! I'm looking at March 2015. What do you think? AnemoneProjectors 17:23, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
Actually, I think my way might be better in that when it says "The following is a full list of the EastEnders 2016 cast, followed by their respective episode count out of 15 total episodes", if there had been double epiosdes, it wouldn't match up if we counted them as two episodes.. for example if there was a double and someone was in both parts, they would only be counted as being in one. So that way, the appearances can match up. I say we count the number of individual broadcasts as the "number in year", but the overall number is based on EastEnders numbering itself. AnemoneProjectors 17:29, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
Hi I am editing User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes (1986) with reguard to the table are we going for the dark blue with without sortable columns or the light blue with sortable columns or is it a different colour for each page? Thanks Kelvin 101 (talk) 19:34, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
We are now going with dark blue, unsortable, so any that are light blue should be changed. I originally had them sortable because I wasn't going to put summaries in, but then I started eventually doing that, and that doesn't work with sorting - so any writers or directors with {{sortname}} don't need that template anymore either. I started with the lighter shade to be consistent with the infobox but User:RachelRice went with a darker one, which I've now adopted. AnemoneProjectors 20:19, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
@Soaper1234 and Kelvin 101: just wanted to point out if you're doing older episodes, if there are no episodes that aren't 30 minutes long, then the running time column isn't needed, you can just say somewhere in the article that all episodes are 30 minutes. AnemoneProjectors 10:43, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Also, it looks like the first year that is completely on the BBC website is 2007! What sources are we using for the older lists? AnemoneProjectors 10:55, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
I would recommend BBC Genome which has all the BBC TV Listings 1923-2009. Below is the link for 19 February 1985.
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/95e92fac0ca74da591e0950048b8cb45
The link below has the episodes put in order.
http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/search/0/20?order=asc&q=Eastenders#search
Where abouts are the refs going next to air date or in a separate column?
I will try and create a template page, with blank tables. I haven't used Visual editor before but it might come in handy for the tables.User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes (Template)
ThanksKelvin 101 (talk) 15:50, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Wow, that BBC Genome looks very helpful! As it's from Radio Times, I'm assuming the credits won't be complete - the first episode is on the official EastEnders website, but I think it's under 2010, when it was shown that year.
How would this template work? It could be useful - I've put it on my watchlist so I can see what you do. AnemoneProjectors 16:00, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Oh, you asked about refs? Which refs are these? Have a look at the 2016 draft - at the top of the episode list it says "All official ratings are taken from the Broadcasters' Audience Research Board (BARB).[12] Airdates, credits, running times and episode summaries are taken from the official EastEnders website.[13] Episode numbers are taken from the Radio Times.[14]" so if you have a general ref like that, you can put it in text that way. AnemoneProjectors 16:05, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
@Kelvin 101: I'm not sure what the point of the template page is, it seems to only be of use with the 1986 article - I thought it would be something that could quickly be transcribed on all pages. AnemoneProjectors 18:25, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
I was really thinking something we could just copy and paste and change the year/add relevant information. It's probably a bad idea. Thanks Kelvin 101 (talk) 18:59, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Not to worry... we can still sort of use it for now, but we don't know how many episodes there will be for each month... hmm AnemoneProjectors 19:27, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
I updated the template so it is universal for all of them, and used it to start all of the drafts off! AnemoneProjectors 19:51, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

@Kelvin 101 and Soaper1234: What do you guys think about adding a reception section? For general reception of that year's storylines? Might be difficult for older ones but easlier for 2016. Or could it end up with too much? AnemoneProjectors 16:59, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

@AnemoneProjectors and Soaper1234: Yeah good idea this might be useful not sure if Digital Spy did one for every year though. http://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/eastenders/news/a138571/year-in-brief-2008-eastenders/#~pl9qcN3i5dQmCx Thanks Kelvin 101 (talk) 19:21, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
That's not reception but good to put as an external link in the 2008 page. I doubt they did it again since - Kris Green did that one and he now works for EastEnders. AnemoneProjectors 19:39, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
@AnemoneProjectors, Soaper1234, and RachelRice: Hi I have finished entering all the Directors/Writers into User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes (1986). I was wondering the viewing figures for 30.15 Million was that for part 1 or part 2 of Christmas 1986? Thanks Kelvin 101 (talk) 21:05, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
I've absolutely no idea. I didn't know there were two episodes that day! AnemoneProjectors 21:46, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
The Christmas 1986 episode were Den gives Angie the divorce papers, need to work out which part. He actually gives her the papers. Will try and research. Thanks Kelvin 101 (talk) 23:42, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
Maybe the ratings are for both. But do these help? [1][2]? Probably not. I'd say both combined, as there's never been any reference to it being one or the other, and if one episode was in the top 10, you'd expect the other one to be as well! AnemoneProjectors 23:46, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
Yeah that make sense now, is there a way to combine the two ratings rows for part 1 and 2 so it reads 30.15 (combined), the way I normally do it does not seem to work with this type of table. Thanks Kelvin 101 (talk) 00:20, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
I don't think you can use "rowspan" in these, but I would just add the rating in for both episodes with a footnote. AnemoneProjectors 11:22, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks I have added the footnote, I have ran into a bit of trouble locating Directors, for June 1987 User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes (1987)#June on BBC Genome it only tells you the Director's name on every second episode. I would assume that a Director directs two episodes and it's only the writer that changes but as it's not listed, do I leave them blank or leave a ?. Thanks Kelvin 101 (talk) 15:54, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
@Kelvin 101: Usually the director does the entire block of a week's worth of episodes, so in 1987 it would be two episodes. If you can't find a source to confirm this though, leave it blank. AnemoneProjectors 17:13, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
By the way, please can you use {{Start date}} for episode dates within the tables? Thanks AnemoneProjectors 17:23, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

I have created a discussion area on User:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes rather than here. I have left the discussion hidden here as it is up to AP to remove it, but just felt it was easier to use on the episode list.

I've unhidden it because it doesn't need hiding. I've also removed the dicussion area you created because it should be at User talk:AnemoneProjectors/List of EastEnders episodes, if anywhere. AnemoneProjectors 16:36, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

The above discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

The X Factor 12[edit]

Hi, user Jeep12 keeps removing the symbols without discussion despite numerous requests to stop. --MSalmon (talk) 23:15, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

I know, that's why I have warned them and they have already been blocked once for doing so. AnemoneProjectors 07:51, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Arthur Fowler II[edit]

"Arthur was conceived from a one-night stand with a man that Stacey met before she started dating Martin Fowler (James Bye). When Stacey finds out that she is pregnant, she tells Martin that he is the father but hides her baby scans from him."

Uh, when was it said that she had a one-night-stand with a random man before she started to date Martin? The story so far is that Kush and Stacey had an offscreen one-night-stand and then she began sleeping with Martin and that either Kush or Martin could be the father (but the media points to it being Kush). Where did this man come from? Arjoccolenty (talk) 23:29, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

@Arjoccolenty: Because Stacey told Shabnam that Kush isn't the father, other editors have decided that we cannot say Kush is the father, and therefore Stacey must have had a one-night stand with someone else. I reverted this a few times to say Kush is the father (because I read somewhere that Stacey thinks God is the father and clearly God isn't the father, it's Kush) but apparently it's ambiguous. It probably requires discussion. AnemoneProjectors 07:52, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Quick Question[edit]

Hello! My name is MultiStorey (AKA Kit0804) I'm the admin of the Hollyoaks Wiki. And I feel it's time to fish in bigger ponds (so to speak). My question to you is a very basic one, but as I am not one who edits as such (I've just started) I feel it prudent to start a few pages concerning Hollyoaks that ought to be created. And without knowing how to do that...you can see my point. How do you create page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MultiStorey (talkcontribs)

@MultiStorey: Oh hi there, welcome to Wikipedia! A guideline to writing your first article can be found here: Wikipedia:Your first article. I'm assuming that you're experienced with Wikis, so you should find it quite simple. Basically, you first need to search for the article title. If it doesn't exist, you'll be provided with a red link that you can edit. If it does exist, but is a redirect (such as Jason Roscoe), then when you are redirected there, the top of the page you are sent to will provide a link in the form of "Redirected from Jason Roscoe". Click on the blue text and it'll give you the page to edit. If you need any more help, just ask and I'll try my best to answer! AnemoneProjectors 16:08, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Disambiguation redirects[edit]

In your edit of 09:34, 21 January 2016 of Ben Cartwright, you moved the link from Bonanza in the description to Ben Cartwright (character) in the entry name, after I had moved the links the opposite way in the preceding edit. Your edit summary was "redirects are meant to be used in dab pages, especially where the redirect title is the ambiguous term". For authority on this issue, we have WP:DABREDIR. Under the heading "Where redirecting may be appropriate", there are four bullet points:

  • A redirect should be used to link to a specific section of an article if the title of that section is more or less synonymous with the disambiguated topic. This indicates a higher possibility that the topic may eventually have its own article ...
[This does not apply here, as Ben Cartwright (character) redirects to Bonanza, not to a section thereof.]
  • Linking to a redirect can also be helpful when both:
  1. the redirect target article contains the disambiguated term; and
  2. the redirect could serve as an alternative name for the target article, meaning an alternative term that is already in the article's lead section.
[The redirect target article Bonanza does contain the disambiguated term "Ben Cartwright". But the redirect ("Ben Cartwright") could not plausibly serve as an alternative name for the target article Bonanza, and "Ben Cartwright" does not appear in the lead section of Bonanza.]
[Neither of these seems to apply here.]

Given this analysis, do you still believe that Wikipedia disambiguation style prefers your change, and if so, please explain. —Anomalocaris (talk) 08:35, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

@Anomalocaris: Perhaps I understood or remembered the guidelines wrong, I was under the impression that we used redirects in dab pages where they are available. However, is the dab page really needed at Ben Cartwright? Should the actor not be at that location with a hatnote linking to Bonanza? AnemoneProjectors 09:08, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
I would guess that most Americans old enough to have seen Bonanza when it was originally broadcast would think of Bonanza's Ben Cartwright as the primary Ben Cartwright. I would guess that most Americans have never heard of the British actor. If the British actor becomes sufficiently famous internationally, and no other Wikipedia-worthy Ben Cartwrights appear, your question could be revisited. Meanwhile, I think the disambiguation page is still needed. —Anomalocaris (talk) 09:54, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
That's fair enough. I just thought, since the actor has an independent article and the character doesn't... but I'll leave you to it for now :-) AnemoneProjectors 20:45, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

January 2016[edit]

Hello, AnemoneProjectors. Just wanted to let you know, for the first four seasons of The X Factor UK, the solo singers only went by their first names. Linguist111 (talk) 17:01, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

@Linguist111: Thanks, I remember that, but I don't think it matters though. We should still use their last names, because we are an encyclopaedia and their last names are known. AnemoneProjectors 17:05, 30 January 2016 (UTC)