User talk:AngusWOOF

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Andrew Love[edit]

I've noticed that you nominated Andrew's page for deletion, and it was deleted on the grounds of having no secondary news sources. However, if you search for his main roles on My Anime List, it comes out quite a lot (29 results - some of which are recurring). Additionally, Andrew has also won an award from BTVA. I have reason to believe that the award is what makes Andrew notable, given that Jamie Marchi's page lists her BTVA awards/nominations. Also, given Andrew's extensive list of roles (again, there's quite a lot of main roles), he passes WP:ENT. If we added the BTVA award in Andrew's page, his page wouldn't be just some "vanity list", nor will he be regarded as an "unremarkable actor" as some people claim him to be, right? --Sk8erPrince (talk) 16:54, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Yes, he's in a lot of anime shows, but there's no biography to construct or write an article about. No news articles outside of the cast announcement and the primary source convention announcement and interview. So it would just be that vanity list. As for Behind The Voice Actors awards, it is a nice award that the voice actors do acknowledge, but doesn't carry weight in terms of notability. Any website could name any voice actor a best actor or character. The actors don't get a physical award, and there's no ceremony, not like the Annie Awards or Seiyu Awards where there's an actual event. Even YouTubers, when they get their million subscribers, have to wait for a physical award. It can be listed as positive reception though as with those Japanese seiyuus appearing in the top 10 for Animage or in some Shonen Jump poll. Oh, yeah BTVA participants love Jamie Marchi; I see her on top of many lists there. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 17:26, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
I've seen people debate that a voice actor's notability is also based on the number of cons they have attended. So if we list all of the cons Andrew has attended, wouldn't that assert his notability? I understand your concern about biographies; if possible, I would love to write a more detailed bio if there's even a slim chance of restoring Andrew's page. I'm just, you know, looking into other ways that could assert his notability. I'm also aware that deleted pages require more detail and references in order for them to be restored, and it gets harder and harder with each nomination. Any other thoughts on the matter, or have we gone through all, if not most of the notability guidelines for possible page restoration? --Sk8erPrince (talk) 17:39, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
It's not just the number. If they are attending cons all over the country as well as international cons, then that helps their notability. Non-anime industry sources such as newspapers start covering the actors as with Trina Nishimura and Jamie Marchi when they attend cons. The con profile is usually written by the person or by a staffer who might copy IMDb and Wikipedia so I'd be wary of their summary sometimes, especially if they use the exact same verbiage as with other cons. Details that arise from the convention itself might be of interest though. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 17:43, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
Speaking of bios, this got me thinking - could I source video interviews/podcasts if I was to write a longer bio for Andrew's page? --Sk8erPrince (talk) 04:46, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
Video interviews and podcasts are primary sources so that doesn't help the notability part, just the other parts like when they talk about how they got into the business and what their first part was, or what they liked about certain parts. It still needs something to pass notability. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 05:57, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
True, but if I used the aforementioned sources to write a longer bio (since you've mentioned that there's currently little to no sources to write a long enough bio yet), AND list Andrew's most notable roles (WP:ENT), AND list the BTVA award, AS WELL AS list all the cons that Andrew has attended, then wouldn't that be a huge, significant improvement from the previous draft? It'll no longer be just a vanity page now, would it? I'd like your input, please. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 10:21, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
You still need the secondary sources independent of the subject though. See WP:GNG Were you able to find any? AngusWOOF (barksniff) 14:37, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
I'll perform an investigation when I have time. For now, I'll concentrate on the AFDs. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 15:00, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
Is there a way you can find a voice actor that you like and has a page here but needs a decent biography that you'd be interested to fill in? Then you can get practice on writing bios and paragraphs so that the article will be more than that credits dump. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 19:43, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
Of course, there should be plenty of VAs of the like that currently have stub articles. I watch dubs after all, and being an aspiring voice actor myself, I admire a lot of the VAs that do dubbing work. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 23:25, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Making a proposal to existing policies[edit]

There is one existing policy that is really irking me - and that is unregistered users having the ability to edit unprotected articles. If some users can't be bothered to make their own account to edit, then they don't really have a place on this encyclopedia, I'm afraid. Of course, that's just my opinion, but I'd really like to take it up with the higher ups of this website about it (though I'm not sure how to go about doing that). Notice that many acts of vandalism and trolling are conducted by IP users. I'd like your input, please. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 13:32, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

If the IPs vandalize an article, it can be escalated to be protected against the unregistered and IP users. Also if the IP user is consistently from the same range, that range can be blocked. There's WP:RFPP and WP:AIV. It's just on an article by article basis. That can be frustrating sometimes but it seems to work. The articles that get a lot of IP vandalism end up staying protected for much longer. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 15:33, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
And I would add, as someone whose presence here you, Sk8erPrince, object to in a very uncivil manner, that unregistered users also make many positive edits here, including reverting vandalism and trolling. (talk) 18:39, 3 October 2016 (UTC)


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TWO worthless redirects[edit]

Hi Angus.

I see that you have suggested a possible speedy delete to the RfD deletion of a redirect I proposed this morning: Raptor (rocket stage). That's cool. I support it going away, by any wiki-process that works.

Now, a new topic, but one I thought of only after your speedy nom today. There is another bogus redir that should not exist: MCT (rocket engine). I was the creator of the redir in Oct 2012, based on a news source that later on turned out to be incorrect. MCT never was a rocket engine; it was (until recently; so for about four years) the name of a fairly complicated space transport system (actually under funded development; so not pure blue sky) for moving stuff to Mars. See, for example, the MCT disambig page. That name was used for about four years, but even the name of the transport system has now changed (in the past month).

But the key thing is it never was, and is not now, a rocket engine. That was, after the fact, an erroneous redir. I proposed it for deletion in Dec 2012; but the proposal failed. So I gave up. Would you consider proposing it for deletion, in whatever way you think best? Then, I could just support the deletion on the RfD page as that totally makes sense. Cheers. N2e (talk) 19:47, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

We'll have to see if CSD guys will honor that request. I think for the MCT one, based on the 2012 AFD discussion resulting in a keep, you can add {{R from incorrect name}} to that redirect, since I think they are just trying to find out what engine is actually used in MCT world. It doesn't need to be listed on the dab page though since it's an incorrect name and not a common typo. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 20:02, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the response, Angus. I did not know about that {{R from incorrect name}} template; so I have added it, as you suggested. Better yet, I think, would be a total deletion of the mistakenly created redir. N2e (talk) 03:26, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
You could try another RFD and see if opinion has changed? AngusWOOF (barksniff) 14:44, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Lindsay Seidel[edit]

I'm surprised that you've nominated Lindsay's article for deletion considering that she's played quite a lot of main roles thus far.

ANN roles analysis:

1) Hermit (Dot Hack Quantum - main)

2) Nagisa Shiota (Assassination Classroom - main)

3) Hikari (Divine Gate - main)

4) Naru Arata (Eureka Seven AO - main)

5) Ein (Phantom - main)

6) Akiho Senomiya (Robotics Notes - main)

7) Sakura Hagiwara (Wanna be the Strongest in the World - main)

8) Ruko Kominato (Wixoss - main)

9) Kuniko Hojo (Shangrila - main)

10) Meme Tatane (Soul Eater Not - main)

That's 10 main roles, not even including main supporting roles/major villains. I do agree that the article could use some secondary sources and more news coverage, though. However, isn't that WP:ENT right there? --Sk8erPrince (talk) 07:35, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

These aren't notable publications for English voice acting though. Eureka Seven AO and Soul Eater Not are maybes, but they weren't the main series that was run through on Cartoon Network. And only two anime conventions, both local, means she's a localized voice actress. She's probably borderline though. If you can write up a decent bio in draft then it could be reconsidered. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 13:26, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
I'll work on that if I could find reliable sources that detail more of Lindsay's life, experiences or any relevant interviews I could dig up. Same goes for Andrew as well. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 15:12, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
The hard part was finding those sources. She had an interview for that non-anime film, but none that addressed her voice acting career that wasn't already self-published or primary-sourced. Ones like what Trina Nishimura got from the local papers would help. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 17:45, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
It should be worth noting that a lot of anime voice actors are actors first before they started to get into the world of voiceover as voice actors. Doesn't that interview detail anything regarding Lindsay's experience as an actor? --Sk8erPrince (talk) 20:19, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
Almost all of them are actors first, but not all their acting is Wikipedia-notable, and very few of the Texas actors have notable parts in live-action productions. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 23:05, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Cristina Vee Image[edit]

Hello! Vee has made a request on twitter for her image to be changed. You uploaded the latest image so I thought I would confer with you. I was thinking we should maybe use her most recent headshot instead? Nyantatata (talk) 20:16, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Nyantatata, I haven't uploaded any images (they are all from Commons), but I can remove the Fanimecon 2016 one and have gone back to the other one that was her infobox picture for many years. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 00:39, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
I can't use her headshot unless she has given permission for the image to be used on Wikipedia. Usually the professional pictures have a lot of restrictions, so the ones taken at conventions are more likely to be freely distributed to Commons for Wikipedia use. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 01:33, 17 October 2016 (UTC)