User talk:Anthony Appleyard/2007/November-December

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  • So, why did you say that "Guite Dynasty" is nonesense. Am i not correct to translate the native language "Ukna/Uk-gam" into its English equivalent "Dynasty" since it is for sure a kind of hereditary princedom? Further, i feel that you should better make at least a short discussion with the author before any blind deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Khumpita (talkcontribs) 03:24, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
  • The page is called Vangteh. At 22:22, 31 October 2007 User:Andyjsmith speedy-delete-tagged it as ""Nonsense or hoax: there are no relevant ghits for "Vangteh" and none at all for "Guite Dynasty" or "Guite Uk-gam". No references. Article written by SPA.". Anthony Appleyard 06:14, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
  • It may be true for you to say "nonesense" if Vangteh had been fortunately located in another part of the world other than its present location in Burma-Myanmar, where the soceity is not free enough as yours. Therefore, the point is that we cannot rule out everything with our own standard that's only applicable to a very limited circle in this big world. Of course, lack of printed materials had humiliated the history of Vangteh much until this present time. However, we have still authentic oral traditions as more than one hundred households are still practicing their old-time-religion, in which such oral traditions are more than a simple history but even the most sacred part of the religion that they treated with great care and reverence. Previous page named Vangteh is actually direct interpretation of part of those oral traditions. If you have been in any ancient society, you would trust those sacred rites even more than printed materials with full of bias of writers themselves, I hope.Khumpita 03:26, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Article Vangteh still needs adequate independent external reference. Anthony Appleyard 06:19, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks for reply. Though printed materials are very few, as commented before, still there are some sources presently available. Please, refer to following lists.

1. In concern with the existence of Vangteh, please, refer to:

List of Cities in Myanmar in Wiki and also at external links such as

[1] and such. Please, scroll down to "Chin State".

Suantak, Vumson. Zo History. Aizawl, Mizoram, Inida, 1986.

2. In relation to the family called Guite, please, refer to:

Thang, K.A. Khup Za, Capt. (Retired Burma Army Officer), com. ZO SUANH KHANG SIMNA LAIBU: GENEALOGY OF THE ZO (CHIN) RACE OF BURMA. Foreworded by former ambassador of the Union of Burma U Vum Ko Hau, F.R.A.I., F.R.G.S. Yagon, Myanmar

3. In relation to the once ruling legacy of the Guite family in present Chin state, please, refer to

Carey, Bertram S. and Tuck, H.N. The Chin Hills: A History of the People, Our Dealings with Them, Their Customs and Manners, and a Gazetteer of Their Country. 1896. Delhi, India: Cultural Publishing House, reprinted 1983.

Cope, Joseph H. ed. Tedim Thukizakna (Tedim Journal). Tedim, Chin Hills, Burma, 1937.

Khai, Sing Khaw. Zo People and Their Culture; A Historical, Cultural Study and Critical Analysis of Zo and its Ethnic Tribes. Churachandpur, Manipur, India: Khampu Hatzaw, 1995.

4. In relation to both (Vangteh & the ruling Guite family's legacy) in native language:

Guite, T. Gougin. Guite Khang Thangthu leh Hausa Ngeina (The History of Guite Family and Chieftainship). Lamka, Churachandpur, Manipur, 1985.

Guite, Lianzamang. Piana Bul le Baal (The Genesis of Our History). A proposed text for history class at primary/middle school level in the region. Lamka, Churachandpur, Manipur: Raja Go Khaw Thang Memorial Trust, 1989 [ Raja is an honored title used in Hindustani culture to address to king, e.g., Maha Raja, Asoka Raja, etc. Even though not a Hindu, Go Khaw Thang of Mualpi, a Guite prince, was addressed as Raja by the neigboring Manipuris. In fact, this Trust was later built in commemoration of his majesty].

Laibu Bawl Komiti. Khumhnuai Vangteh Khua Tangthu leh Sialsawm Pawi (History of the Khumhnuai Vangteh and Sialsawm Festival). Kalay, Myanmar: Laibu Bawl Komiti, Sialsawm Pawi, 1994 [this is a local publication in commemorating of the traditional Sialsawm festival held in 1993].

5. Reports and handbooks published under special permission of the government concerned:

Guite, U Ngul Lian Zam, com. Tideing Myone Vangteh Kyeywa Yoya Natsayamya Eih Puzaw Pathachin Saingya Gahtamya (Handbook of Sacred Incantations of Traditional Religious Rites Conducted by Priests in Vangteh, Tedim. Kalay Myo, Myanmar, 2005, entitled permit letter no. 012/thathanah(tata)2004 [this handbook was published in Burmese, official language of Myanmar, to get official permission to publish].

6. Just for information, please, also refer to recent news related to a national road named after Guite in commemoration of the once Guite's suzerainty in the region at an external link [2].
Thanks! Khumpita 13:59, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Hi! Thanks for helping me edit my article. While trying to following your kind suggestion at all my best, still, i wanna keep some small thing in my own style, e.g., some footnotes. i feel that, without footnoting, some paragraph seems very unrelated since things need to know beforehand (preknowledge) are more convinient to be dealt with in such. Hope your kind understanding. Thanks.Khumpita 11:45, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
  • For clarity, I have again incorporated the long footnotes into the text. It is annoying to readers to have to repeatedly go to the end of the page or the end of the chapter or the end of the book to find part of the information. Also:
    • Please do not start a paragraph with a space: that causes a strange format.
    • I have changed the capitalization in the section titles to Wikipedia standard.
    • Try to avoid essay style. Stick to encyclopedia article style.

Anthony Appleyard 12:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Hi! Thanks for correction. Please, see again that i have updated with further references (with little comment on each). Thanks always. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Khumpita (talkcontribs) 14:26, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks again for continuing help in editing. Still looking more references for citations to update the page as far as possible! Khumpita 14:40, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Hi! Think it's the time to clear the tag from Vangteh page.??

Khumpita 15:03, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

AfD for Fountain of Tyr

Hi. I notice that there was a nomination for AfD of the Fountain of Tyr article, and that you had filed the nomination. The AfD may be found here. In sorting current AfD's this morning, I found that it was still open, despite the article having been deleted already. I went ahead and closed it for you. I'm not sure how it got missed for that long, but it's a non issue, as the article's still deleted. Best, ZZ Claims ~ Evidence 14:13, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for helping out promptly with Jennifer (given name) etc today.

May I ask whether you intentionally changed the etymology of the name? Perhaps you inadvertently skipped more edits than you intended in your edit summarised as rv histmerge junk. I'm happy to reinstate it myself, but first please advise whether there was a good reason for the way you left the page. - Fayenatic (talk) 18:28, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

  • I have restored the etymology paragraphs. I suspect that what happened was some result of the annoying habit of edits of a page, when being undeleted, sometimes spending a long time in limbo between disappearing from the list of deleted edits and appearing in the list of non-deleted edits. Anthony Appleyard 23:12, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
I'll take your word for that! Thank you and good-night. - Fayenatic (talk) 00:21, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Gordon Bennett (football)

  • Do you think there's enough assertion of notability? --Dweller 12:10, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
    • Perhaps not, but (1) two other pages point to this page, and (2) sorry, I know very little about professional football. Anthony Appleyard 13:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
      • Lol - I probably created all 3 articles. --Dweller 13:27, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Recent Deletion

I would like to speak with you about the recent deletion. I am under the impression it was deleted without any informing me. I was the original creator of the article. You set the tag as copy right violation (this makes me look bad). ANYTHING taken off of another site, rewritten in your own words is not copy right violation (obviously everything on wikipedia is a collection of data previously cited). My article was about a game. I listed information about the games development, and storyline from multiple sources in my own words. --businessman332211 02:36, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Also, the article was the one about alpha prime. I would like the article's deletion reverted. If you feel that it's in need of deletion, please use standard AFD. I was not even informed about it's deletion, and if the text was left as it was when I originally created it, it was not copyright violation. --businessman332211 02:38, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Ah, my sincerest apologies. I had looked at the wrong article. I just created a new article a minute ago, and I had forgot the name of it, and forgot to list it in my links. I went there to make changes it said it was deleted (by you) but I accidentally when to the wrong article. Sorry about me misunderstanding. Apologies --businessman332211 02:41, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Malalai Joya photo

  • I am a bit confused on why you deleted the photo from Malalai_Joya. The images is still there on wiki commons and is listed as GFDL, how you think it is violation of copyrights?? Probably there something that I can't understand. Please explain. [[3]]

سودابه 18:00, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

  • The image is Image:MalalaiJoya giglio.jpg. The delete tag was "{{delete|This user doesn't even live in Italy, this image does not belong to him. Just do an IP check and you can confirm that. Also, this user is most likely yet another sockpuppet of banned user: NisarKand, he was known for uploading images and claiming them as his including pictures of Malalai Joya. -- Behnam 02:17, 10 November 2007 (UTC)}}". Anthony Appleyard 18:08, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
I see, then if anyone tag a photo like this, that is enough to remove it from Wiki?? How could he/she prove his/her claim? The photo is also there on Flickr under CC-BY-licensed which means such photos could be uploaded on Wiki too. [4]. سودابه 19:00, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Attachment therapy

  • If you look at the top of the talkpage - both the first two archives which you kindly created seem to have been deleted. Fainites barley 18:25, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Done. It seems that someone moved Attachment Therapy to Attachment therapy and got into a mess trying to bring its talk page and its talk page's archives along with it. Anthony Appleyard 19:13, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
  • I remember that! Thanks. Fainites barley 20:34, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

PopCo Entertainment

  • I would like to know how i can add company information on a range of Action Figures, NECA has a page, but you deleted the PopCO Entertainment page, does it need to be more bare? --cultpress —Preceding comment was added at 23:43, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
  • The page is PopCo Entertainment. At 23:37, 10 November 2007 User:Yourname speedy-delete-tagged it "It is an article about a company or corporation that does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject.". To insert your planned page, its subject would have to be noteworthy (see WP:NN), and not like an advertisement. Anthony Appleyard 09:07, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Daniel Geduld

  • Hi, you recently placed a redirect on this article and in the edit summary you wrote "failed AfD." I'm confused what you meant by this, since the vote for deletion was almost unanimous. If this is what you meant, then the article should be deleted as well, to eliminate the BLP-incompatible material associated with the page, and to discourage editors from reverting this information back. If this isn't what you meant, and you believe the article should have been retained, please explain your reasoning for that on my talk page. Thank you. Cumulus Clouds 22:02, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
  • As you see, I changed Daniel Geduld into a redirect to The Skeletor Show. I have put Daniel Geduld on my watch list. If someone reverts it back to the text, then I will delete it, and then undelete only the edit which is the redirect. Anthony Appleyard 22:17, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
  • But since that material is still in the edit history, and since the vote was overwhelmingly in favor of deletion, I don't understand why the page isn't already deleted. Cumulus Clouds 22:42, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
  • I have now deleted Daniel Geduld, except for its last redirect, which is the redirect to The Skeletor Show. Anthony Appleyard 22:46, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your help. Cumulus Clouds 01:42, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

November 2007

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  • I know this from personal experience and I have lived through it. The matter with the domain name happened to emails that I sent. Anthony Appleyard 16:22, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
that's WP:OR, in that case, which is forbidden by WP policy. Anastrophe 16:33, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
I don't beleive this was actually DNS, but rather very similar systems. For example, see the JANET reference in RFC 1168. I haven't had a chance to find better references, but that might be a start. Also, maybe a better place to put this text would be in Reverse-DNS, with maybe a See Also link in DNS. Wrs1864 01:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

US Open

I see. Sorry for the mistake. - Mtmelendez (Talk) 13:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Bollywood film clans

This is not the first example of where User:Sarvagnya is attempting to erode Bollywood related articles on wikipedia - I am amazed how far he is going with it - also trying to rmeove any images from all the articles and to destroy and licnesing agreements. He needs to be warned by somebody ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Talk"? 13:02, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Page deleted at 10:35 on 13th Nov

Hi there - A page was created about a student at our school. You deleted it citing the Attack Page rule. I was wondering if it was possible to forward the contents to us so we can take appropriate action against the student responsible? I have deliberately left the name off this question so that searches for the name do not call up this article. Many thanks Jonathanhorner 18:28, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Irapuato histmerge

Thanks! Aille 20:24, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Hogwarts edits

I understand that we are using British English for spellings and colloquialisms, but your edit, which in all other ways is perfectly acceptable noted in the edit summary that 'a bathroom is a room with a bath in it' is inaccurate as it applies to its usage in American english. Bathroom encompasses both the toilet, tub and sink. while it isn't that big a deal - at least you didn;t substitute 'w.c.', which would have prompted me to include a parenthetical explanation/translation - it might be helpful to remember that folk outside the UK also speak English. :) - Arcayne (cast a spell) 21:05, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

speedy deletion question

  • Hello Anthony,

I have a couple quick questions, in regards to an article I wrote that was speedily deleted (Hera Gallery)

I am a new user, so just learning. I have read extensively on the help section before writing, and even described the article subject I wanted to write about in the Help Desk section to make sure it was notable and suitable enough. The general consensus from those that responded to my question said that as long as there are the appropriate references/ and or reference to notable events, it would be OK.

In my haste I wrote a stub, without those references, and without properly marking as a stub. So I understand why it was deleted.

My questions are: Is there a way for me to just get the text back? I would like to write more, add the proper references and citations, and resubmit. Please let me know what you think. Thanks for your help! Mollificent 20:57, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Your recent undoing of move of Buddha to Buddha (general)

Hi Anthony -

I know you're a hard-working admin, so I feel somewhat badly and awkward for taking your time up with this, but I would appreciate it if you would help me better understand the recent undoing of the move of the Buddha page to Buddha (general).

If I may explain the background, back in early October, at Talk:Gautama_Buddha#Name, a conversation was started that led to an examination of which page should be called "Buddha": (1) the current Buddha page, which was about the concept of "Buddha" and could perhaps be summarily distinguished as referring to "a Buddha"; or, (2) the current Gautama Buddha page, which is aboutform the person who is known as "the Buddha," the "founder of Buddhism," the "historical Buddha." It turns out that, based on a search of authoritative on-line encyclopedias (such as the Encyclopedia Britanicca), documented at Talk:Gautama_Buddha#Other_on-line_encyclopedia.27s_.22Buddha.22_entries (starting on Oct 10), the majority of authoritative, generally accessible encyclopedias readily referenced use their "Buddha" articles to describe "the Buddha" (who we currently describe at Gautama Buddha). If I may, I would like to underline that this finding — that "Buddha" most often references "the Buddha," not "a Buddha" — is simply a statement of fact, supported also by a generic Google search of "Buddha" as well as a review of WP pages currently linking to Buddha (see Special:Whatlinkshere/Buddha).

As a result of this factual finding, the community (primarily at Talk:Gautama Buddha but also with pointers and requests for participation at Talk:Buddhism#Article_name [initially posted Oct 7 by User:Arrow740] and Talk:Buddha) discussed whether the current Buddha page should have moved to it either the current Gautama Buddha article or a Buddha disambiguation page. At the same time, at Talk:Buddha#Renaming_this_article_and_moving_current_Gautama_Buddha_article_here.3F (starting Oct 25), the above facts were stated and a vote was started as to what to now rename the Buddha page. After over two weeks (on Nov 11), seven of the most prolific and experienced WP Buddhism editors voted on moving Buddha to Buddha (general) (as represented here at Talk:Buddha#Final_results). So, in response to a now over month-long process, I made the move of Buddha to Buddha (general).

(Since then, two earnest and thoughtful people have wanted to explore renaming Buddha (general), for instance, perhaps moving it to Buddhahood instead (which, FWIW, was my initial proposal). And, of course, I welcome such a continued discussion. But it does not question the need to move the prior (and now, due to your undo, current) Buddha article off the Buddha namespace. This is significant because, since I assumed the move of Buddha to Buddha (general) as described above was based on a solid, patient, communal process, when I made a move-request at WP:RM, I only listed the move of Buddha (disambiguation) to Buddha, which appeared to be the growing and clear consensus on Talk:Gautama Buddha.)

I see now that at 5:17 today, at, a user named "The Evil Spartan," who I do not recollect as ever before participating on WP's Buddhism pages and who appears to hold a firm but under-informed understanding of Buddhism (per his statement at Talk:Buddha_(disambiguation)#Requested_move) indicated that the above month-long discussion and vote's resultant move was "premature" and that an undo would be "uncontroversal." (Of course, if I may be clear, I do not at all mean to impugn The Evil Spartan's motivation, but I do question his assessment in this instance.) I have no doubt that you then, very diligently and good-heartedly, two hours later, perhaps taking The Evil Spartan's statement at face value, undid the above move.

So, now I am concerned that this process will be further delayed, complicated and confused. For instance, given your recent undo, do I now have to post to WP:RM a request to move Buddha back to Buddha (general), despite the above process? Otherwise, I deduce (perhaps incorrectly?) Buddha (disambiguation) cannot be moved to the now re-occupied Buddha space. Or could you, in light of this discussion which I hope shows that The Evil Spartan's request for move in fact was under-informed and thus ultimately misguided, self-revert your move? Any recommendations?

Your help and guidance are much appreciated. Best wishes, Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 20:11, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I have moved Buddha (disambiguation) to Buddha.
In Buddha (general) I inserted the Devanagari spelling of the word Buddha.

This query seems to remain: What is the best name for page Buddha (general)? (He was not an army general!!) Try Buddha (generic)? Buddhas? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:07, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Anthony -
You have made my day! Thanks so much for so quickly, thoughtfully and thoroughly following up! I really do appreciate it. Kudos!
I think that your suggestions for alternate names are good ones. Would you mind adding your ideas to Talk:Buddha_(general)#Late_remark so others could consider them? (Alternately, if you like, I'd be happy to move copy/summarize them there.) Perhaps the title Buddha (general) seemed right to people (including myself) initially but now that it's done people are having strong second thoughts. For instance, I know I missed the whole military context of "general"; I think the caveat about this that you and another has raised is definitely valid.
Thanks so much once again. Best regards,
Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 03:29, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
P.S. In addition to the moves, I also really appreciate the clean-up you did of the Buddha dab page. Nicely done! Larry Rosenfeld (talk) 03:33, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Typo redirect Peter Creedy (V For Vendetta)

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Theatr Felinfach

  • How dare you delete this article prior to any discussion, it was quite clear that a 'hangon' had been placed and a discussion started. Please reinstate.Paste (talk) 17:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
  • It is Theatr Felin-fach. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 17:08, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
  • You are quite correct, please accept my apologies.Paste (talk) 17:10, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Simple format/style question

Hi Anthony. I'm new here. My first contribution (as a member) was to add a definition for "Bass Violin." I notice that you changed it to "Bass violin," with only the first word of two capitalized. Should two word definitions be in this format from now on? Also, if there is anything more that I should include reguarding sources, I would be happy do so. Thanks to you and Wikipedia for providing this service. 21:39, 18 November 2007 User:BassHistory

Deleting Gamma Zee

  • I was looking up information on Gamma Zee and I see you deleted the article on it. Even if the page was a stub or beginning I think it's a page that needs to exist and I think the deletion should be reversed. I would disagree with your assertion of "no content" because the page you deleted actually contained some content. A basic google search shows that people actually know of this game and it has sources. There are plenty of pages on wikipedia that are not interesting to 99.999% of the population. Does this mean they should be deleted? Of course not. If you think the page didn't have enough content, why don't you add more to it? Or if it needed sources, why don't you find the sources instead of deleting it? Cazort (talk) 00:51, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Gamma Zee's log runs:
    • 23:25, 31 October 2007 Anthony Appleyard deleted "Gamma Zee" (spam & NN computer game: content was: '{{db-web}}Gamma Zee is a computer game for Macintosh by Dwight Rogers. It was released in 1993. The player assumes the role of a smiling red ball and...)
    • 03:55, 1 November 2007 Awyong Jeffrey Mordecai Salleh deleted "Gamma Zee" (content was: '{{db-nocontent}}' )
    • 01:48, 19 November 2007 Toohool marked Gamma Zee patrolled ‎

There is a need to prove that the videogame Gamma Zee is notable (see WP:NN), else people will keep on tagging or deleting it as "not notable". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 08:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Omni Shopping Artice.

Hi Stifle,

In relation to the Omni Shopping article. I am one of the Centre administrators in the Omni Park shopping center. Both myself and a collegue have repeatedly tried to update this article to include accurate information to do with the centre. I have updated it numerous times to try and include more information about the centre and corrected the inaccurate information such as units being left vacant due to high rent (totally untrue I might add). Each time the changes made gets flagged as vandalism and reverted to a previous version with incorrect information. Is it possible to have a protection set up on this article or a comment from yourself as an admin to prevent the vandalism revert.


Centre Administrator Omni Park Shopping Centre.

19:35, 18 November 2007 User:Sabre151

Unfortunately the information you included was an advertisement, and Wikipedia doesn't allow these, therefore the removal was correct. If you want to write about the centre from a neutral point of view, citing sources, then go right ahead. Stifle (talk) 10:56, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Copying you as a courtesy. Stifle (talk) 10:57, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

E-Booking AfDs

I think you might have made a mistake with the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ebooking. The article doesn't refer to anything common, and seems focused on some kind of government reservation system rather than airlines and hotels. Neither comment received suggested the article should be kept. At the very least this should be relisted for further comment. Torc2 (talk) 20:48, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

First Men in the Moon (1964 film)

Speedy deletion of Shity University of Hong Kong

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Speedy deletion of Training camp

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Final Solution disambig

Your style is nicer. Thanks for the help. Alatari (talk) 02:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


  • Howdy, I noticed the redlink for Fratzog and saw from the deletion log that you handled it. I was not able to find a deletion discussion page (such as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fratzog) or maybe I was looking in the wrong spot. Anyway, I wanted to get a look at the content of that article to determine if it, or any parts of it, could be salvaged for a rewrite. It would help to improve the Dodge family of articles. Thanks. — MrDolomite • Talk 21:12, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
  • I have undeleted it. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
    • Thanks, I figured it was short, but not that short (-: I'll work on clearing off the notability and references tags and see if WP:CARS can help out too. — MrDolomite • Talk 18:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Classification of admins

Hi Anthony Appleyard. Please consider adding your admin username to the growing list at Classification of admins. Best! -- Jreferee t/c 23:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of "Yew-Kwang Ng" article

Dear Mr. Appleyard: I tried tracking down why the Yew-Kwang Ng article was deleted several weeks ago without success. I'm glad that there is now this record:

10:43, 24 October 2007 Anthony Appleyard (Talk | contribs) deleted "Yew-Kwang Ng".
Thx for quick, proactive help. It needs some cleaning up (chiefly easy-to-make deletions of personal stuff, such as in 1st sent, as probably non-WP:VER material), but the individual has s non-trivial 750+ Google Scholar hits and is well-knoown for contributions in welfare economics and mesoeconomics, the latter of which he largely helped make theoretically respectable. I think I can get some good online sources. --Thomasmeeks (talk) 02:13, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

George Becali vs. Gigi Becali

I moved it back. The nominator listed it as "Uncontroversial proposals", which was not correct (it is controversial) and the due process was not respected (he did not announce the nomination on the talk page of the article). bogdan 13:08, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


Mérida, Mérida/Translation is the result of the most recent SPATRA and has to occupy the Mérida, Mérida space. I already requested the move at Wikipedia:Requested moves--Wafry 17:30, 1 December 2007 (UTC)


I created an article today on and it was nominated for speedy deletion, and andy suggested I add {{hangon}} if I contested it. I tried to add the {{hangon}} as he suggested, but the article appears to have already been deleted. This factual encyclopedic article was deleted the same day I created it. I'm wondering why it was deleted without giving me even a couple of hours to make my case for it. Please let me know if anything can be done to restore the article for long enough to allow a fair and open discussion.Glogger 18:32, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

If this article is re-created, it would have to read less like an advertisement, and prove notability of that night club above other night clubs: see WP:NN. Anthony Appleyard 23:20, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

‎Is it possible to re-create the article and give our research team a chance to improve the article? I'm not an advertiser (I'm a professor who does research on technology-related topics, and CiRCA seemed notable for its use of new interactive technologies and design). I started writing the article today, and then it got deleted while I was still writing it. I'd like to have a chance to add more material to the article that explains why this facility is culturally significant.Glogger 01:31, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Also, who is user mushroom? I noticed that mushroom has lots of edits to lots of articles, at a rate of around ten edits per minute. At that rate, mushroom is doing an edit every six seconds. I didn't realize wikipedia responded that fast to edits, so it would seem mushroom must be using multiple processes at the same time to work wikipedia that fast???Glogger 01:35, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

User:Mushroom is a Wikipedia administrator.

If I undeleted CiRCA now, someone would almost certainly delete it, because as it stood at its last edit it merely described (and advertized) the nightclub and did not describe any new or unusual technology. If this new technology is noteworthy (see WP:NN), then it will be enough to write e.g. "CiRCA is a nightclub in Toronto, Canada" and describe the new technology. Apart from this new technology, there are so many thousands of nightclubs in the world that Wikipedia has not the room to describe them all. Or, preferably, name the page after the new technology system and not after the nightclub. Anthony Appleyard 07:01, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I wrote a long detailed article on CiRCA that included its history, historical infromation about the opening ceremonies, and various detailed sections about different aspects of it, illustrated with several pictures that our research team took there. I also wrote detailed captions for each of the photographic illustratrations. Is there a simple way this text can be recovered, or does it exist in a cache of some sort?Glogger 16:56, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Is there a way that I can see the history of my article, e.g. how it got changed to a redirect, and how it is that my contributions got erased (i.e. how it was made so that the only contributor was Mushroom)? Is there any edit history on the article?Glogger 22:20, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

"12:27, 1 December 2007 . . Glogger (Talk | contribs | block) (1,138 bytes) (initial creation of article)" was the first recorded (deleted) edit of page CiRCA. Any older edits may have been on a page with a somewhat different name. Anthony Appleyard 14:06, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

primeval creatures page

List of locations in the Star Fox series

Looks like this article's up for deletion... RingtailedFoxTalkStalk 19:25, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Notability and fiction

You're an administrator, so I have to assume that you have a good grasp of out notability guidelines. Is there a reason that you do not wish to apply them to fiction? As you have mentioned it before, see WP:WAF#Secondary information for ways that fictional topics can be referenced in the real world. TTN (talk) 19:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Stalking and disruption

Apparently, User:TTN is using sockpuppets to nominate and merge a large number of articles for deletion. He's also harassing others... RingtailedFoxTalkStalk 23:59, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Brentwood, Essex

Hi there - no particular issues one way or the other about how (the original) Brentwood is listed as long as it is and the content is right, but you have just reversed a change to the Brentwood pages that seemed to be undertaken with good intentions, and have thrown up what might be an issue in doing so. One effect of your change(s) is that if you now type Brentwood in the search box the only link that does not come up is the Brentwood, Essex link. Is this intentional? DaveK@BTC (talk) 15:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Orono CnP request

Orono, Maine was created at 00:10, 10 February 2004 by User: Jengod and as a stub with less than 100 bytes of information text until at 12:15, 9 December 2004 User:Ahoerstemeier changed it to a redirect to Orono (town), Maine.
Orono (town), Penobscot County, Maine was created at 22:46, 2 July 2003 by User:Rambot with edit comment "(Added geographic and demographic data)". This is the earliest known edit of any of these 3 pages; this edit comment suggests that there were older edits which are now lost.
At 01:36, 4 July 2003 User:Rambot seems to have cut-&-pasted Orono (town), Penobscot County, Maine to Orono (town), Maine.

I histmerged Orono (town), Penobscot County, Maine into Orono (town), Maine. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 17:29, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Can you histmerge it over to Orono, Maine so that it's under the most-appropriate title? Thanks.--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 20:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Benito Jerónimo Feijóo y Montenegro move

You kindly moved Benito Jerónimo Feijoo y Montenegro to Benito Jerónimo Feijóo y Montenegro at my request. Unfortunately I may have jumped too soon. I got Feijóo from Encyclopedia Britannica 1911 and 2004. Most, but by no means all, sites in Spanish that I looked at since, including the Spanish Wikipedia, use Feijoo. Spanish and German wikis even have a redirect from Feijóo, implying that is a common incorrect spelling.

On the whole, I'd like to leave it where it is for now. Perhaps I can find someone who can explain authoritatively whether EB (and a few Spanish sites such as here and here) are better authorities or, more likely, this is something to do with the development of Spanish orthography in the past century. David Brooks (talk) 02:37, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


  • It looks like User:Parable1991 has cut/paste moved the Brentwood page again. Looking at their past edit,s the user has done this on a number of pages since mid November. Could you please move the pages to their original location and fix the histories on the pages they cut and let them know that these moves should be requested/discussed and moved properly? -- Cmjc80 (talk) 06:25, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
  •  Done. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:57, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Gummy bearGummi bear

  • You removed this request from WP:RM twice, but please note that what the editor wanted was a history merge, which I have requested with {{db-histmerge}} and WP:SPLICE. –Pomte 21:07, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Category User koine

  • Hello Anthony. There was a discussion regarding Category:User koine that you deleted a while ago here, after which the admin who deleted it decided to recreate it himself. Please examine that discussion. Koine Greek is the language the New Testament was written in, and is significantly different from Ancient Greek, to the point of being highly intelligible by modern Greek speakers. Koine users should in no way be merged with ancient Greek ones, that would be a mistake. I, for one, understand the Bible perfectly from the original text, but I wouldn't say the same for Herodotus, or (worse) Homer. Thanks. NikoSilver 00:16, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
  • I know Ancient Greek (self-taught long after I left school), and I know the difference between various Greek dialects. I deleted the page Category:User koine because at 21:08, 11 December 2007 User:Babelious speedy-delete-tagged it "{{db|Page is a way around [[Wikipedia:User categories for discussion/Archive/August 2007#Category:User ke and subcats]], and is currently being merged into [[:Category:User grc]]}}", likely because to him the presence of "User " at the start of its name looked like a confusion between ordinary pages and userpages. (I never delete a category that has one or more members.) It might be best if you chose for this category a name that does not look like a name of a type of Wikipedia special page (in this case, a user page). Some of its links to foreign Wikipedias look as if people thought that it was a user page or a category of Wikipedia users, e.g. fr:Catégorie:Utilisateur ke: correct French for "User koine" would be "Koiné pour les utiliseurs" or similar. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:55, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the background info. If you agree with the existence of the category, I rest in your hands for adapting whatever is needed and I'll follow. NikoSilver 08:58, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


  • Probably you did not intend to do this, but you, or someone using your name, added twice "Hail Satan" to the Yahweh page on 13 Dec 2007. B.T.W., I intend to attempt a move from Yahweh to Tetragrammaton one of these days/weeks. Please complain on the Yahweh Talk page if you think that a bad idea. (talk) 14:39, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Re the "Hail Satan": oops sorry, revert error when tidying after a bout of mucking-about by anonymous users. 15:33, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Double redirects

Mixtec merge

Thanks! Aille (talk) 00:21, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Gordon Burns

I have relisted this change [5] Fasach Nua (talk) 11:45, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

FIFA Club World Cup Final

Just to point out that the name of the tournament is the "FIFA Club World Cup 2007" so wouldn't "FIFA Club World Cup 2007 Final" be the better name for the final ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ManfromDelmonte (talkcontribs) 15:31, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Moving How a Transistor Works to How a transistor works

I'm probably wrong but....

  • Hi Anthony. Firstly, thanks for processing the history merge requests I've made over the last few days. Much appreciated. Today, I requested the history merges for the "Play It Again, Sam" pages, but you rejected the second merge, i.e. Play It Again, Sam (record label) needs the history currently at Play It Again Sam. I don't understand the reason you gave for why this merge isn't possible/appropriate. Obviously I'm not an admin so I'm not completely au fait with the dark arts of selective restoration etc. but I'm not seeing that anything particularly arcane was required. I wonder if you'd mind double checking? Thanks. CIreland (talk) 18:02, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
  • As stated in Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen:

Anthony Appleyard (talk) 20:14, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Trevor Lyman

  • Anthony, I wonder why you deleted the article about the above mentioned person. I have attached links about him at the end of the page. I feel that he is the brain behind the money bomb websites and ideas.

Salvoray (talk) 10:04, 17 December 2007 (UTC)salvoray —Preceding unsigned comment added by Salvoray (talkcontribs) 09:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

  • At 09:40, 17 December 2007 (diff) User:JuJube speedy-delete-tagged it {{db-bio}}, i.e. "non-notable person". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Puddle jumper (Stargate) Redirect

National Health Service

OK thanks for that. I see someone else has also posted a similar comment there to the effect that this was not a good idea. Hopefully we can now consider the elements of RHB's desired changes one by one and we can discuss any major reshaping of the article in the discussion space before the changes take place.--Tom (talk) 12:44, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for the speedy help moving Skoptzy to Skoptsy! --Reuben (talk) 16:03, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Request input, assistance as possible

Anthony, I wanted to ask for your thoughts and possible assistance in touching up and expanding the page Wikipedia:Other Stuff Exists. Based on your comments in some articles or deletion discussions in which we have both been a part, I believe that you may have a similar viewpoint and be better at explaining the purpose of the page, which is Precedent as it applies to Wikipedia. The essay is in its early form and needs continued expansion (with solid examples). If and when you have a few moments, please take a look at it and let us know what you think or help to build the page up more. Many Thanks! VigilancePrime (talk) 22:57, 21 December 2007 (UTC) :-)


Thanks for the Nine in the Afternoon and You Don't Have to Worry... (album) moves, Anthony Appleyard. Qwerty (talk) 07:25, 24 December 2007 (UTC)


  • Hi, I noticed you made this entry on the Exocet article, could you please tell me where you heard this? As I have reason to suspect this may be a hoax? Ryan4314 (talk) 19:09, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
  • It was in the Daily Telegraph (a UK newspaper) a while ago. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:02, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
  • lol did you write this mate? I can't find anything about the Lokata anywhere, just mirror sites of Wikipedia Ryan4314 (talk) 01:43, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
    • I wrote that email message.
    • Try Google search for "lokata watchman" (in quotes). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 12:43, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


  • Hello I think you misinterpreted my move request on Messina... it already directed to Messina, Italy before like it was supposed to, but that article should just simply be called "Messina" without the "Italy" on the end, instead of it just ben a redirect to it. The disambiguation is fine been at Messina (disambiguation) because the only other things with Messina included in the title are either, belonging or in references to the historic city, mere people with it as a surname.. and less notable things, non are just called "Messina" for example the Strait of Messina or the Province of Messina. Sorry if i was unable to carificate the request fully! - Animagentile (talk) 10:21, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
  •  Done Anthony Appleyard (talk) 10:42, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Lokata

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An article that you have been involved in editing, Lokata, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lokata. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 15:14, 29 December 2007 (UTC)