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Wow, they'll give the reviewer right to just about anybody nowadays. ;) INeverCry 00:05, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Hi Antiquary, sorry about that templated note I added above, but when I added the reviewer right, the message magically appeared before I could stop it. So I'm just adding here that INeverCry requested the right for you, and that I hope it helps with your editing. Best, SlimVirgin (talk) 00:24, 22 November 2012 (UTC)


Here's an example of what the autoreviewer and reviewer rights do under pending changes:

My edit is autoreviewed and in the 4th edit down you can see Chipollo's edit checked by Migueletto, a reviewer. INeverCry 23:58, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, INC, and thanks, SV; from the link above and from Template:Pending changes table I think I now understand how much this will help my work here. In a word, I'll be trusted to create articles that go live immediately, even if pending changes is impeding most other editors (and, I'm convinced, the project as a whole). That really is a weight off my mind, not to mention a feather in my cap. Thanks again. --Antiquary (talk) 11:14, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

A solution of sorts[edit]

Here's a possible answer to your computing woes. ;) I hope to see you back up and running some time in the new year, which I hope will be better for both of us than 2012 seems to have been. INeverCry 18:20, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Now come on, surely the most sensible option would be some kind of nose prosthesis. All the best. --Antiquary (talk) 19:21, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
They just had a woman who paints with her lips on Leno the other night, so I'm sure you could turn out a few GAs with the old snot locker. I just ordered myself something of a present in the form of The Maias in Penguin Classics. It'll probably have to wait a while though, as I've been considering a return to the Romantics, starting with Scott. First I've got a 10-hour history of Scotland by Neil Oliver to watch. I'm waiting for the end of January so I can see some majors tennis. INeverCry 20:40, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
But see how two problems solve each other – you have to watch the Neil Oliver history of Scotland and you have to somehow get through Boxing Day. With meal breaks that should just about do it. Neil Oliver has almost monopolised documentaries on history, archaeology and geography over here, but he is admittedly both professional and genuine, especially on his own subjects, e.g. the h of S. Merry Christmas, it can't last for ever. --Antiquary (talk) 23:01, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Happy Holidays[edit]

Christmas bells.png Happy Holidays!
I've grown somewhat fond of this little christmas bells icon. ;) Happy!... you know the rest... ;) INeverCry 20:43, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Great work at Wikiquote[edit]

Hi. Just wanted to say, I keep stumbling upon your great work at Wikiquote... Really excellent job! ~ Daniel Tomé (talk) 18:07, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and being Portuguese I particularly like the Luís de Camões article that you created there. ;) DanielTom (talk) 01:24, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks again. I'm afraid I knew, and know, almost nothing about Camões except that he's too much of a giant to be left out of Wikiquote. By contrast I know and love most of the novels of Eça de Queiroz, yet that's a worse article since it's badly overbalanced in favour of the Letters from England. But there, it is the English-language Wikiquote. --Antiquary (talk) 11:11, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Double oh! I hadn't realized that it was you who also created that article! I must confess that I don't know much about Eça de Queiroz myself, other than what I learnt at school, but if you like I can share a few stories from that period with you. For instance, I remember that one of our (mine and my group's) projects in middle school (Portuguese class) was making a film adaptation of Eça de Queiroz' short story "A Aia". In it, my female dog played the role of the baby. ;-) Other than that, I can only remember reading one book by Eça de Queiroz (namely, "The Maias"), which was (and still is) mandatory reading for Portuguese class in our high schools. As a side note, back then we school kids got to visit Eça's house in Lisbon (as well as the very beautiful "Casa do Silvério" in Porto), where we learned some funny things about him (e.g. that he used to write while standing up). Anyway, enough nostalgia. It is incredible that you know Eça de Queiroz, indeed much better than most Portuguese natives do. Best wishes, DanielTom (talk) 11:56, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

King Alisaunder[edit]

It's great to see a new article from you. Perhaps we/you could pick out a couple images from Alexander the Great for King Alisaunder? INeverCry 22:35, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

I've added the bust, but, as you say, there really isn't room for a second image yet. INeverCry 20:04, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

New article[edit]

I finally took a break from deletions for a minute and created something. Humble, I know, but I just needed some text to go with that nice photo. I've been meaning to write you a decent email, but I have to procrastinate a little longer... Face-wink.svg INeverCry 00:22, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

That looks like a nice piece of work, though I hardly need say I know nothing about the subject. Yet again I'm struck by the fact that on the one hand there's an article on almost every English-language literary figure you could possibly want to learn about, and on the other there are crowds of highly notable foreigners we don't cover. A look at Template:Russian Booker Prize is enough to show that.
I haven't given up on 'The Bard', I expect it'll be ready in a week or so, but I've been distracted by a holiday in Bard country (Snowdonia) and by a health scare. I went blind in one eye three years ago and I've lately had trouble in the good one. It quickly got treated by laser surgery under our Bolshevik health system, but there's the prospect of further problems. While I thought I might have only a few weeks sight left I decided it was more important to get out another academic piece while I still had the chance. That's done now. The subject is connected with place-names and Anglo-Latin literature (rather a departure for me) and I should probably get it read over by a place-name scholar before I try and place it. Now I'm back with Thomas Gray. I'm on a hiding to nothing of course since I'm bound to be compared with Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard written by the wanderer in outer darkness, but you can't let that influence you. --Antiquary (talk) 12:55, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Ilya Repin[edit]

I've done a re-work and expansion of his article. Have a look when you get a chance. I'm relatively proud of it. INeverCry 00:58, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Jolly good. I'll take a look at that tomorrow. --Antiquary (talk) 14:08, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
 Copyedited --Antiquary (talk) 11:27, 29 November 2013 (UTC) Splendid article btw.

New article[edit]

Something new from an old rusty pen. INeverCry 00:23, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Salut! A nice little piece, though you don't tempt me to make it my bedside book. I'm basically out of it as far as the computer goes just now, but I hope I can tweak that article presently. Antiquary (talk) 11:19, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

A Barnstar for You![edit]

Working Man's Barnstar.png The Working Man's Barnstar
For steadily improving Wikipedia in the area of English Literature. RomanSpa (talk) 11:27, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Hey, thanks! "Working Man" may be an over-complimentary description of me since I only come here to play, and as a result most of my articles would have benefited from having more time and care applied to them, but doubtless every correct, referenced fact improves Wikipedia infinitesimally. I appreciate the encouragement. --Antiquary (talk) 12:27, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome... Keep up the good work! RomanSpa (talk) 14:06, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Scafell Pike[edit]

Hello, Antiquary. You may not have seen the note I put on the userbox talk page when I made the change. My purpose was to add the National Park to your box so it made some sense when I listed it in the WP:Userboxes/Parks page. Would you consider putting Lake District National Park back on--leaving off England? Best, Old Beeg ··warble·· 20:23, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough, I'll mention the Lake District. You're right, I missed your note – one of the hazards of never using watchlists. --Antiquary (talk) 20:38, 6 July 2014 (UTC)


Hi Antiquary, please see the notice on the category page. For convenience that cat is added to all operas, irrespective of the subcats in which they are also listed. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:47, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

You're right, aren't you. Ah well, I'll know better next time. -Antiquary (talk) 16:26, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year Antiquary![edit]

  • Hey old friend. I'm coming off a somewhat shitty month, but I'm back. Whoo-hoo! I'll shoot you an email in just a bit. I have a new address, so I'll likely do it thru wiki email. I've got something slightly witty to say about STC... Face-wink.svg INeverCry 23:12, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
And a happy New Year to you too, me old mucker. Oh dear, STC's in for it again is he? I'll email you back. --Antiquary (talk) 14:47, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Arthur Project...[edit]

Not to be creepy, but I notice you added some material on the Lucius Tiberius page. Is there anything else you'd like to include there, and did you find the information already there credible? PhiChiPsiOmega (talk) 01:29, 28 March 2015 (UTC) Also, there is an WikiProject on King Arthur. Would you like to join? PhiChiPsiOmega (talk) 01:29, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

That page seems fine to me apart from perhaps needing one or two more references, especially for the last sentence of the fourth paragraph which looked like it might be OR. The King Arthur Project looks interesting but I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to do anything there at the moment because pains in my arms (tennis elbow) mean I really can't type much. Cheers. --Antiquary (talk) 10:21, 29 March 2015 (UTC)


I finally checked my email and responded to yours of last Wednesday... Face-blush.svg INeverCry 20:40, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you![edit]

Meissen-teacup pinkrose01.jpg I always feel so civilised bestowing a cup of tea on an Englisman. I feel even more civilised now that I have internet access back after almost two months offline due to outages and ISP hassles. I ended up with a year discount though. Expect an email soon. Just don't wait around on the computer on my behalf... Face-tongue.svg Good to see you alive and typing! Jeff the Obscure 03:19, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Marie Serneholt[edit]

If you want to, please take a look at this weeks TAFI selected article, Marie Serneholt. Regards.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:47, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Taken a look. Thanks, but I'll pass on that one. --Antiquary (talk) 21:54, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open![edit]

You appear to be eligible to vote in the current Arbitration Committee election. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. For the Election committee, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:40, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]

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Kittens are not Baklava - Thanking you for Userboxes

KING (talk) 09:15, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! I have the same favourite word. --Antiquary (talk) 10:37, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you...[edit]

...for adding the new Sussex church images! Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 20:37, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, especially since I'm always rather nervous of responses to my substituting my own photographs for other people's. Merry Christmas and floreant Laridae! --Antiquary (talk) 11:40, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Places of worship – what is included?[edit]

Hi Antiquary, and Happy New Year. I made a conscious decision when I started these lists to exclude anything that is not a registered place of worship accessible to the public and which does not occupy its own building. So the following are excluded: hospital chapels, school chapels, prison chapels, chaplaincies in airports (as they are not standalone buildings, although in some cases they are registered for worship – like the one at Heathrow), cemetery chapels, private chapels within houses and country estates, and places of worship registered within part of a building, which historically was common with Jehovah's Witnesses and Plymouth Brethren places of worship and which is now sometimes the case for recent Evangelical, Pentecostal and similar churches. Inevitably there are plenty of grey areas! For example there are certain cemetery chapels which have been converted into public places of worship (e.g. at Brookwood, Surrey); the Catholic chapel of Holy Cross Hospital at Haslemere is registered for public worship and has regular Masses, so I included that on this list; and I occasionally include community centre-type buildings (e.g. the Queen Elizabeth Park Centre here) which have places of worship in them if I can prove the worship community owns the building. I have to leave the computer now but I'll be back online in about an hour to add a little more. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 15:55, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi again. Yes, it just becomes rather difficult to manage if many places are in scope. When I found a definitive list of places registered according to the Places of Worship Registration Act 1855, which covers any non-Anglican place of worship, I decided to use that as my basis. The other exception I was trying to think of earlier before I had to log off was chapels at convents, seminaries and the like – although the odd exception, such as the Towers Convent Chapel at Upper Beeding (which has been used as a public Catholic church for nearly 100 years!), does apply. Regarding cemeteries, it is probably best to write about them in the village/parish article, particularly if the chapel(s) are listed. Cheers, Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 17:35, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

"The Lie"[edit]

I was just talking to someone via email, and I reminded myself of this old favorite of mine by the other Sir Walter: The Lie (poem). Something tells me it won't be new to you. INeverCry 03:00, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

To my shame I didn't know the poem, and I see why you like it. I hope Raleigh cheered up, though if it was written in his last years he would have had little reason to. --Antiquary (talk) 13:12, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
That makes me feel a bit better about sending you a book you already had... Face-wink.svg INeverCry 01:52, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

New email address, etc[edit]

Hello, Antiquary. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

INeverCry 03:09, 24 February 2016 (UTC)


  • Originally posted on your userpage:

Never done this before so forgive me if I'm doing it wrongly. Just wanted to say thanks for your article on L.E.L. I visit Cape Coast often and her figure continues to mystify me (as I believe it has done countless others over the decades). I do have a few questions though relating her and to your article. Is this the place to ask them and to pass on my email address? I'll check back periodically. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 15:30, 9 March 2016‎

Hi. Actually that's not my article, I just made an edit on it recently. Esme Shepherd, who's been doing quite a lot of work on LEL, might possibly be able to answer some of your questions. Just click on the blue link to get to his/her talk page. --Antiquary (talk) 11:36, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated[edit]

Hi, I'm Atlantic306. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Edie Ochiltree, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you. Atlantic306 (talk) 04:31, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, pressed wrong button, have reviewed article, its excellent Atlantic306 (talk) 05:20, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

New article for an unjustly neglected Trollope novel[edit]

Here it is: Miss Mackenzie. Anything you can do for her would of course be welcome. She's a surprisingly good read, especially when you're over the age of 40. I think I'll be happily stuck in the Mid-Victorian period for quite a while to come. Trollope, Collins, Dickens, Gaskell, The Brontes, Braddon, Reade, and maybe even a couple of Lord Lytton's domestic novels. Nothing too Wilde for me... Face-wink.svg INeverCry 05:26, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Happy Holidays![edit]

Christmas bells.png Happy Holidays!
Well old man, here we are with the old school holidays template. Not out of any feeling of nostalgia, but just my habit of being a lazy bastard. I wish you the best &c, especially with your eye problems (I've got a great collection of poetry readings from BBC and Penguin Classics of Wordsworth, Byron, Hardy, etc, if you're ever interested - just let me know). I hope you got my email. I was just thinking I'd love to have some of the jam you make, on home-baked English bread. Our bread here in the US always seems counterfeit somehow, as does our jam, though I'm sure we've got some country folks who do it up the way it's supposed to be done. But I'm a city boy... Everything I eat comes out of a plastic bag or a tin can... Face-tongue.svg lNeverCry 03:50, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry, merry![edit]

From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 22:16, 24 December 2016 (UTC) Lights ablaze.JPG


Reminds me again of the Cambridge Companion I lost... I've got a Penguin Classics paperback copy of a good-sized collection of his journalism (600 pages or so). It's got some really good pieces in it. You could get a cheap copy pretty easily. I may get the CC, but I hate buying things I already had... My newest book purchase is the 1000 page My Novel by Lord Lytton. I basically go on AbeBooks and look for stuff nobody else has wanted, wants now, or ever will want... Face-wink.svg It rained all day yesterday and snowed all day today. It's snowing as I type this. We've got four inches so far. I've got a few rare volumes of Dostoyevsky to send you within the next couple days. lNeverCry 06:24, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

PS. Have a look at this bit of ego massage... I'm in 4th place... The 1st place guy has 5 million edits... Face-surprise.svg lNeverCry 08:35, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
While I've made 1250 edits on Commons in two and a half years. By my reckoning that means I'll reach the one million mark in only 2000 years. --Antiquary (talk) 09:42, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Well, half of it was shameless padding, but what the hell... lNeverCry 00:58, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Please see my proposal to upmerge a category[edit]

Category:Young family has been nominated for discussion[edit]

Category:Young family, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:21, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

And he missed it...[edit]

I just noticed your email in amongst more than 100 asking for donations or to sign some petition, &c. The only news I would have to impart is that I'm still buying up books by obscure and forgotten men named Charles, those being Charles Lever (9 volumes), Charles Reade (8 volumes with 1 on the way), and Charles Kingsley (3 volumes with 3 more on my wishlist). I also have a volume each of John Banim and Amelia Opie on the way, and just got a nice fat novel by Gerald Griffin about the Duke of Monmouth. As for weather, we've got a day coming this week with 40.5 centigrade. That's 105F. It's been stuck up around 95/100 for all of July... I have to go to the doc tomorrow for a recharge. I'll respond to that email that was drowned in spam in a bit. Take care old man. lNeverCry 04:53, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

  • PS. I hope you don't mind my little adjustment to your talkpage. I'm an obsessive bastard who just can't help it. Sometimes I fix mistakes on the userpages of people I don't even know... Face-tongue.svg lNeverCry 04:54, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

St Peter's Church, Henfield[edit]

Looking good! On my ongoing list of "possible Did You Know? hooks for the future"* I have an interesting one for this church. I'll have to go through my books to find where the anecdote was written and the page reference, but I'm sure I can find it. Leave it with me! (*Most of them relate to Sussex church articles which haven't been written yet but which may be eventually.) Cheers, Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 08:05, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm intrigued. To some extent that article was modelled on your various Mid Sussex ones, so you probably recognised some phrases and even sentences. That comes from my being rather out of my depth in ecclesiology – I'm a literature man. --Antiquary (talk) 08:59, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
It's one of those curious anecdotes that regularly turn up in church histories (especially in Sussex, funnily enough!). It's fortunate that the other church involved in this tale was in the Hove area, because that means I've been able to use the Judy Middleton sources I've added to the article: she is the leading historian on the Hove area, with a breadth and depth of research that I can only wonder at. I have to go out unexpectedly tonight, but I will put together a DYK nomination and do all the related bits tomorrow. I did recognise the general structure; it has always served me well in terms of organising the most relevant information, and it seems to have influenced church articles by other editors, so I suppose as a "template" to work with it's as good as anything. I really must get back to writing more church articles, but (as I'm sure you've found with your own editing) it's easy to veer off course and find interesting tangents, and suddenly you're working on something completely different! Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 18:16, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
Excellent story! Coincidentally, a visit to St Leonard's, Aldrington is on my to-do list as I want to photograph the place and, if I can find it, C. Aubrey Smith's grave there. Tangents are in fact the only thing I can concentrate on: I was supposed to be writing something academic on King Arthur all the time I was doing Henfield church. Thanks very much for your improvements, and in advance for the DYK nomination. --Antiquary (talk) 21:50, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
St Leonard's has a very pleasant churchyard with a still-rural feel, but I believe the church remains under threat of closure (it seems St Philip's Church, Hove has superseded it as the main church in the Aldrington area). Judy Middleton has written a fair amount about Smith in the Encyclopaedia of Hove and Portslade, so to help you to find the gravestone, here's a quote from vol. 12 p. 71: "the grave is situated in the southwest corner near the wall and next to the wartime grave of 2nd Lieutenant Crapp [he died when his plane crashed on Aldrington recreation ground in 1917]. The Smith memorial takes the shape of a massive rounded slab laid on the ground while at the top end there is a curious structure of rugged stones surmounted by a stone cross. The inscription reads With malice towards none; with charity for all". Various other family members are commemorated as well. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 21:21, 16 August 2017 (UTC)