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Amundsen's South Pole expedition[edit]

I have safely brought Fram to the Bay of Whales. In due course I expect to be able to trim by a few hundred words (this is usually possible, I find). However, for the next week or so my main attention will be elsewhere. I have standarised the Amundsen South Pole references to, e.g. "Amundsen (Vol. I), p. 45" rather than "Amundsen (1976), p. 45". It is a two-volume work and pagination starts again from 1 in Vol. II. A certain amount of textual harmonisation may be necessary, to ensure that we neither duplicate nor give differing accounts of the same thing. Brianboulton (talk) 17:56, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

OK. While I've done very little so far, I should be able to pick it up in about a week. Apterygial talk 00:38, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Can you update me on your plans for this article? When do you hope to resume serious work on it? Brianboulton (talk) 16:31, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
Saturday, hopefully. I have all the books sitting around my computer, all I need to do is find time. Sorry I haven't been keeping you informed about this; work has been pretty hectic. I'm hoping to get the bulk of it done in about 9 days from then. Apterygial talk 23:46, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
Update: I shall be on a wikibreak for about two weeks from 30 July. I'll check in again around mid-September, at which time we will need to fix a firm schedule for the article's completion and review. Brianboulton (talk) 23:18, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

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Belgrave Ninnis GAN on hold[edit]

I have reviewed Belgrave Ninnis's GAN and have placed the review on hold for some minor issues to be addressed. Please comment on the issues at the review page and let me know when you done so I can re-review the article. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talkcontrib) 17:47, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

The Home of the Blizzard[edit]

Hi sure either one of those would be fine, but I like the first one better, and it's the shorter. Green Cardamom (talk) 15:17, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks. I'll certainly review one. Apterygial talk 11:35, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

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Far Eastern Party promoted![edit]

I'm very pleased to see that this has finally jumped the FA barrier. Warmest congratulations. With Farthest South on the main page tomorrow this is a turning into a good week for Antarctic explorers. Brianboulton (talk) 08:47, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

By the way, I have used the slight hiatus in the development of the Amundsen expedition article to work on another small project, Brunette Coleman, which I have just sent to FAC. I'm ready to chip in again with Amundsen at any time; if there is anything you'd like me to be doing I'll get on with it. Brianboulton (talk) 14:38, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
May there be many more Antarctic FAs. As for Amundsen's, I think it's a good idea to be sending another article to FAC. I'm working on Amundsen's article when I can, but I'm not able to be putting as much time into it as I'd like. Rest assured that I'll be ready for FAC well before December. Apterygial talk 00:18, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

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Amundsen[edit]

I'm impressed by the work that's been going on with the South Pole expedition article while I've been away. I'll have a chance this weekend to take a detailed look at the expanded text, and will then try to get busy on some aftermath material. Aiming at peer review by the end of the month. Brianboulton (talk) 18:55, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good. I'd stress that the prose of my expanded sections is still pretty rough, and I also need to add some information about the weather for the polar journey. I've yet to write sections on the party's return, the Eastern Party, and Fram's journeys during 1911. Apterygial (talk) 00:41, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

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Xavier Mertz[edit]

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Well done. Nice read. SilkTork ✔Tea time 20:42, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I've responded to the points you raised at the review page. Apterygial (talk) 01:17, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Amundsen[edit]

Please see User talk:One Ton Depot#refce styles. Brianboulton (talk) 16:54, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

I have finished going through the "expedition" sections, adding a little here and there, trimming, rephrasing etc. The trouble is that for all its efficiency, Amundsen's journey was basically boring, and it's hard to bring it to life in an engaging way. Feel free to tweak further as you wish, but try to avoid upping the wordcount. I will now work on an Aftermath section, replacing the junk material presently occupying the tail end of the article. This should be in place by the weekend. I shall then go back to the early sections and see if I can trim some more; one criticism at present could be that it takes ages to get to the meat of the aticle - the expedition itself. We should hopefully end up with between 7000 and 7,500 words of text, which I think is OK for an expedition of this importance. A peer review by the end of next week (c. 29 October) could still see us at FAC by mid-November and, provided it gets through first time, should see us OK for the centenary. Brianboulton (talk) 15:08, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
Bravo. I think you're right; I tried to make it interesting but you've done this before and it's clear you know what you're doing. I think that timetable is fair. Do we have any decision on when they reached the pole? The lead says 14 December, but the body says 15 December. This will obviously influence the date we go for. Apterygial (talk) 11:39, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
I have added the final sections, cut back on Preparations and rewritten the lead. The result is an article of 7379 words which is within the target range and can I think be justified. In the title, I have altered "Expedition" to "expedition" since "Amundsen's South Pole Expedition" is not a formal or customeary title as is, say, "Imperial Transantarctic Expedition". The key date is definitely 15th. I'd like to let the article rest for a couple of days before sending it to peer review, where I hope to recruit a couple of old hands experienced with polar articles to give it a thorough going-over. Another editor has assumed responsibilities for the references and I have given him more or less a free hand. Please feel free to tweak the prose or make any minor changes you think are necessary, or let me know if you think there are significant omissions or areas needing further attention. I will be busy with Georges Bizet for the next day or two, and will probably nominate Amundsen for PR on Wednesday. Ping me if you foresee problems. Brianboulton (talk) 14:59, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
I've just done the PR nom. Review comments awaited> Brianboulton (talk) 23:49, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Roger. Will look in this weekend. Apterygial (talk) 08:41, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
One of the peer reviewers has pointed out that the book by B Webster Smith is listed at OCLC as "juvenile". In view of this, and that it was published so long ago (1936), and has only one inconsequential fact cited to it, I think we should get rid of it. Brianboulton (talk) 23:40, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
Replaced it with a cite to Langner. Apterygial (talk) 00:06, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
It looks as though peer review comments have dried up. I am going through the text one final time, to deal wih any remaining prose or punc fixes, but I don't anticipate anything major. I have experimentally adopted Yomangani's "no bolding" suggestion for the opening paragraph - do you have any views on that? I expect to have finished the final scan by Monday, and if all is well we should nominate for FAC shortly after that. I have placed an advance notification re 14 December on the TFL requests talkpage, though we can't formally ask for this date until the article is TFA. If you are unhappy about any aspect of the article, please tweak or discuss. My own view is that it is looking fairly solid now. Brianboulton (talk) 10:02, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
Sounds like a good idea. I'll give the article another read-through before Monday, and see if I can spot anything. My impression of bolding in the lead is that it should be done if the first sentence includes—more or less—the specific wording of the article's title, but it shouldn't be forced; the aim shouldn't be to get bolding in no matter what. With this article, there really is not way you can do that without bolding the entire first sentence. I think you've done a great job with this article, and I have no problems with it. I'll help out where I can at FAC. Apterygial (talk) 06:44, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. It's been a pleasure working with you, and don't underestimate your own contribution to the article. This is, I believe, positively my last venture into Antarctic waters, but I hope that you will feel able to carry on the good work. There is planty of scope for developing articles on, say, Mawson, John King Davis, the Japanese expedition, etc etc – but you will no doubt have your own preferences. Brianboulton (talk) 01:11, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Well, too late the semester is winding down and I'll soon have more time to spend here. I've been doing cautious research for the Japanese expedition article; the Hamre article referenced in the Amundsen article seems to be the authoritative piece in English (from 1933, however) and a couple of Edgeworth David biographies are also useful. Mawson will be my first target when I can get back to sustained editing. I've enjoyed working with you, but I do regret that I haven't been able to offer as much as I originally hoped. We'll wait until the article is on the main page before we crack out the bubbly! Apterygial (talk) 04:39, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
I have nominated the article at FAC with you as co-nom. Keep your eyes on the page. Brianboulton (talk) 21:56, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
On my watchlist. I'll review some other FACs over the next few days to drum up some interest. Apterygial (talk) 03:34, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
I will deal with Jappalang's point on aftermath information later today (pity it wasn't raised at peer review, but there you go!) Brianboulton (talk) 10:11, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
It demonstrates that no matter the prep, you can't make an article bulletproof. I'll have a look at the lead issue. Apterygial (talk) 07:31, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

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That was quick![edit]

Congratulations, well done The TFA requests police won't let us make a formal request for 14th December until within 20 days of that date, so I'll request it towards the end of this month. Brianboulton (talk) 21:12, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Five days! That has to be some kind of record! A testament to the thoroughness of the preparation and the quality of the work. I suppose you are hanging up your snow boots for good this time? Apterygial (talk) 22:27, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I think so... but never say never. Whatever, I'll always be happy to review/make suggestions on anything you do in this field, so keep me posted. I'm not sure if the timing is a record; Carsten Borchgrevink also whizzed through in 5 days. It must be something to do with the Norwegians (and of course thorough preparation and high quality etc...). Brianboulton (talk) 10:06, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
By the way, an editor has left some belated review comments on the talk page. Some of these involve minor fixes, others are more substantial points that require consideration (see also discussion on my talkpage). I won't be getting to this immediately, but please feel free to chip in as you think appropriate. Brianboulton (talk) 11:28, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
I'll have a look this weekend. Some seem to relate to the bigger picture (comparison with the Terra Nova expedition), so I'll leave them to you. Apterygial (talk) 23:00, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I've done all the adjustments I propose to do; I'm not inclined to take things further. The suggestions are reasonable, but not in my view critical to the article's quality, and I feel I've spent enough time on this now. Within a few days I will draft a blurb and then do the TFA nomination. With 8 points in the offing I doubt if anyone will lay claim to 14 December, so I probably won't enter the nomination until around 4th/5th December. Brianboulton (talk) 18:50, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. Regarding the points: I can see where the six points come from (the centenary), but the remaining two—is the expedition different enough from Farthest South, Nansen or Air-tractor sledge? Apterygial (talk) 23:33, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
Nom done. I'm only claiming the six points, which is pretty irrelevant for centenary articles. Let's see who opposes. Brianboulton (talk) 17:59, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

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At the South Pole, December 1911

The first expedition to reach the geographic South Pole was led by the Norwegian explorer Roald Amundsen. His party arrived at the pole on 14 December 1911, five weeks ahead of a British team led by Robert Falcon Scott. Amundsen and his companions returned safely to their base, and later learned that Scott and his four companions had died on their return journey. Amundsen's initial plans had been to explore the Arctic, but he decided to go south on hearing that both Frederick Cook and Robert E. Peary were claiming to have reached the North Pole. However, he kept this revised objective secret until after his departure. The expedition arrived in Antarctica in January 1911 and after months of preparation the five-man polar party set out in October 1911. The route from their base at the Bay of Whales took them across the Great Ice Barrier and up the Axel Heiberg Glacier. The party's mastery of the use of skis and their expertise with sledge dogs ensured rapid and relatively trouble-free travel. Although the expedition's success was widely applauded, the story of Scott's heroic failure and tragic death overshadowed its achievements. For his decision to keep his true plans secret until the last moment, Amundsen was criticised for what some considered deception on his part. (more...)

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