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An essay on personality[edit]

Hi - I see you've got a draft of an article in your userspace. Looking at it, I'd say it's been copied from somewhere else. What was the original? And have you looked at other articles on books? Getting It: The Psychology of est was a featured article (see WP:FA, you might want to look at it. At the moment it looks more like an essay on an essay I'm afraid. Dougweller (talk) 12:12, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your welcoming message. I am not sure if I should be flattered or defensive about your remarks here. I'll err on the former and say that the philosophy and influence Roberto Unger should be better represented on Wikipedia. I have thus sought to create entries for his most influential books. The draft you see here is my understanding and explanation of the key ideas in the book. It is not copied from anywhere else!
As for being "an essay on an essay," well, it is meant to be an entry on a book. In crafting it I referred to other entries on books by Foucault, Kant, and Hume, e.g. Although my entry here is a somewhat different, all entries do vary. Archivingcontext (talk) 13:26, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
First, take a look at how I've indented your reply and mine. It was the numbers, that made me think it had been copied from somewhere else, what do they mean (I think something to do with lines or sentences)? It reads like an essay partially because of the questions.
Oh my, that Hume article is dreadful and doesn't do him justice. It should be all about what third party sources have said about it, not a Cliffs Notes. Sorry, but please don't take that as a good example. There is another major issue, not just the lack of what third party sources have said about it, but that you are building it upon your understanding. Take a look at WP:NOR would you? I don't want to put you off, just put you on the right track. You need to start from scratch and find sources other than the author. Dougweller (talk) 16:18, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for your advice and input, it is most helpful. I have set about revising the article based on your comments. It seems it was taken live before I was able to finish, however. Hopefully my changes on the live page are sufficient for the meantime as I continue to edit. Archivingcontext (talk) 14:32, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

False Necessity[edit]

Hi. I see you requested input on "False Necessity". As a professional philosopher, I was a bit worried to see only references to Roberto Unger's work -- no critiques, no commentaries were cited. As much as we can make any one scholar our hero, it is useful to put our heroes in context. To which theories is Unger reacting? Why? What is the value-add of Unger's work? In a day and age where we are bombarded with information, it really is worthwhile to state context and relevance up front. Why should anyone care about Unger? I am confident that you can answer these questions! Wingroras —Preceding undated comment added 09:54, 11 July 2011 (UTC).

Thanks for your feedback. You are absolutely right. My short reply is that I am still working on it and your helpful comments spur me on. Part of the issue is the need to sort through all the reactions and responses and to organize them for the entry, and to integrate those to address the questions you raise above. You can see that I created the "background" section in attempt to address this in part and am aware that I need to continue to flush that out with other references besides Unger's other books. (I wanted to get the theory down first and make sure it was on the right path, as well as encourage others to contribute.)Archivingcontext (talk) 12:15, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Hello Archivingcontext. False necessity is a much better entry now! Motivation and context are significantly strengthened. Actually, it is a very interesting idea. Almost Hegelian: structures have inbuilt in them their own conditions for transformation/destruction. Two further suggestions. (1) It would help right away to have references to WHO the "necessitarians" are. For instance, you might want to add references to the second sentence: "It is foremost a critique of necessitarian thought in conventional social theory, which holds that parts of the social order are necessary and the result of the natural flow of history." i.e., who are the necessaritarians of "conventional social theory"? [BTW, I find this aim to be laudable: "It develops a full attack on the idea that human societies must be organized in a certain way, e.g. liberal democracy, and that human activity will adhere to certain forms, e.g. homo economicus." We do indeed live in a time with little imagination for alternative forms of life&living!] (2) It would also give the reader more context and make the view seem less isolated and "it sprung, like Athena, from the head of Zeus fully formed" if you added a little information about the SOURCES OF INSPIRATION for Unger and even something about how the theory of false necessity has DEVELOPED in Unger's work. You do this a bit in the "Background" section, but not sufficiently. It adds credibility to any view to point to direct sources of inspiration. as Newton said, even he could only see as far as he had because he "stood on the shoulders of giants". BTW, this phrase is unclear. please fix: "carry this idea to the hilt," Hope this is of help. Looks much better now. Still room for improvement! Wingroras —Preceding undated comment added 09:14, 17 July 2011 (UTC).

Thanks again for your feedback, this is all very helpful. I will work on making the changes you suggest. Archivingcontext (talk) 05:53, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


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Unger files[edit]

Hello, about the "Agencia Brasil" licensing for File:Unger Lula.jpg: we don't seem to have a local equivalent of the Commons template commons:Template:Agência Brasil, so we will need to work with the normal cc-by-sa tag plus a link to the page. However, before anything of the sort can be done, we first need to have clear proof that the image really was published in this way. Have you got a direct link to the image on the website? Fut.Perf. 11:22, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

For the Unger medal.jpg file see here:

for the Unger lula.jpg file see here: As an example of a picture used from the website on Wikipedia see Thanks for your help. Archivingcontext (talk) 11:39, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

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Žižek / Holbo / Hello![edit]

Yeah, you're totally right... Holbo's not really saying anything about Z's Marxism here (even though I think that is part of the underlying beef). It seems to me like Holbo has barely read Z at all and just reacts to him in blog posts saying 'oh how ridiculous'. I think probably Holbo's criticism should be folded into some larger section. Anyway, it's great to have someone paying attention to the Žižek article and I hope you stick around. I also see that you've been doing some work on Unger, and I think that's great. Thanks & Peace, groupuscule (talk) 21:19, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I was thinking of expanding this sub-section by incorporating the recent NYRB article on Zizek ( ) and some of Unger's extrapolations that attempt to carry through Zizek's social criticisms to an articulated program. Give me a couple of days to work with it. Archivingcontext (talk) 21:28, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Perfect. groupuscule (talk) 15:25, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

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AE Ballakisten[edit]

You tagged the AE Ballakisten page for lack of citations. I will add a few more and others have said they will do the same. Please take a look. If this is ok for now, can we remove the tag? Doinggreatthings (talk) 19:15, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

I will change the tag to one that says it needs more citation. You need to fill in your citations for the bio. Also the citations that you do have are incomplete--article titles are required. Archivingcontext (talk) 20:52, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Žižek / Unger[edit]

I wonder how come Unger gets into the lede about Ž, while Žižek gets no such "special guest" treatment in article about Unger? DancingPhilosopher (talk) 14:53, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Good question. Ask doinggreatthings who put it there. (I would suspect because Unger's thought is profoundly more comprehensive and systematic than Zizek, who is more of a critic than philosopher.) But I would not object to removing Unger from the Zizek lede. Archivingcontext (talk) 15:12, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Roberto Mangabeira Unger[edit]

Sorry for the mistake in the page. Thanks for letting me know. (N0n3up (talk) 04:24, 15 March 2015 (UTC))

No prob. Thanks for your attention to the page. Please do continue to edit the page as you see fit. Archivingcontext (talk) 12:35, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

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