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Starting my talk page: 4/29/2006


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Chinese military history task force[edit]

I can't believe I forgot you... Anyway, after some deliberation the Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Chinese military history task force has been started, and we'd really appreciate your expert knowledge in this field... please add your name to the list of participants and join in the discussions! -- Миборовский U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai! 01:24, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok. I will. Best insurance against a disc crash.:^) Asiaticus 06:17, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Added to the Qingdao page, an edit on the comment on the Tsingtao Campaingn of WWI and a link to a good webpage [1] Tsingtao Campaign by Colin DenisAsiaticus 06:15, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Been adding to the 2nd Sino-Japanese War battle articles as time permits. A major add of the Chinese Winter Offensive of 1939-40. Also correcting and adding bios for some of the generals and other minor tweeks. Asiaticus 07:49, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Battle of Wuhan[edit]


Nice work on Order of battle of Battle of Wuhan!!! I will try help with the Battle of Wuhan section, as it's one of the most stirring battle of the era. AQu01rius 20:10, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Id say so. It was a huge campaign and a lot going on. 2nd Army coming in from the North and the 11th Army coming up the Yangtze. There is a lot of naval and air action too. BTW who are you. You didnt sign your post. Asiaticus 19:58, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I always forget to sign my name.. AQu01rius 20:10, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I extensively expanded the Battle of Wuhan.. check it out! :) (and check my probably massive errors.. I wrote & translate those in two days)

--AQu01rius 17:24, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


Yeah I do.. I'll help on that page later.. don't worry about it

can you help me to check my translation on 中原大戰 in Battle of Central Plains to see if it's ok. I couldn't believe there was no article for that and have been working on it today.

--AQu01rius 02:30, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok sure. I see the article on the subject on the Chinese Wikipedia. Interesting name they have "Area south of Yellow River war". :^) Kinda clunky, I like yours better.Asiaticus 03:46, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey man[edit]

Your translation pace is amazing :o

Want to help me a little bit on Xinhai Revolution ? I am almost done with it (self-translated everything from "History of the development" to very bottom. AQu01rius (User | Talk | Websites)  21:55, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd be happy to help if I can. I am using the Alta Vista translator to do what translating I do. Its kinda lame and I have to do some guess work or consultion of other sources. Nice article BTW Asiaticus 11:10, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Rosetta Barnstar[edit]

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For your extensive translation on articles of History of the Republic of China and Second Sino-Japanese War. Great work! AQu01rius (User • Talk) 04:38, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I thought this was a barnstar for contributions in Ancient Egypt areas until I read the description =P AQu01rius (User • Talk) 04:38, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, its been interesting finding out about the warlord era. Asiaticus 03:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Japanese forces in Kuriles & South Sakhalin, 1945[edit]

Am trying to sort out what Japanese forces faced the Soviets when they invaded there. Was there an Area Army or Army responsible for those regions? Thanks Buckshot06 (talk) 21:08, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Its all listed there on the Wikipaedia entry for August Storm. Asiaticus (talk) 06:41, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
From my reading of the entries, the Japanese force in Karafuto/South Sakhalin & the Kuriles appears to have been the Japanese Fifth Area Army, rather than the Kwantung Army. Does that sound right? Buckshot06 (talk) 06:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Nuts. You're correct. I am confused with his hard back book:
  • Soviet Operational and Tactical Combat in Manchuria, 1945: August Storm (Cass Series on Soviet (Russian) Military Experience, 8) (Hardcover) by DAVID GLANTZ (Author). The last two chapters added since the Levenworth Paper verion cover the operations there. Asiaticus (talk) 07:15, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
If you've got that book, can you check what was the composition of the Soviet force that captured the Kuriles - it's a bit unclear to me? Cheers Buckshot06 (talk) 07:41, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Sadly I dont have that version, just know it exists. You might ask on the Axis History forum in the Pacific War or the The Soviet Union at War 1917-1945 forums. Someone there probably will have your answer. Asiaticus (talk) 07:53, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Battle of Yenangyaung[edit]

About Talk:Battle of Yenangyaung/Temp please see This edit. Jeepday (talk) 02:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


Hi, a while ago you created an article on this place on WP, including its coordinates. Do you remember where exactly the coordinates and the Chinese characters were from? The problem is that there are a number of places with that name in Inner Mongolia, and that they may have different characters representing them (one 红格尔 sum in Siziwang Banner of Ulanqab, one 洪格尔 in Sonid Left Banner of Xilin Gol League, another place named 洪格尔 in the Sonid Right Banner of the same League, possibly some more), and it is hard to determine which of these places your coordinates refer to. Yaan (talk) 19:56, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

  • I found the place IDed as Hongge'ertu, 红格尔图, by Guo Rugui in 第二部分:从“九一八”事变到西安事变 日本侵绥的战备企图和中日 was modern Hobor and put that in my article on the Suiyuan Campaign (1936).Asiaticus (talk) 13:05, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
But what exactly is your reason to believe 红格尔图 (which looks more like a transcription of Hongort, i.e. something like the locative case of Hongor) refers to modern-day Hobor (quite a different name, actually) and not to, say, the 红格尔图镇 in Chahar Right Back Banner?
I also could not easily find any 红格尔图 on this or this map, but maybe I just did not hard enough. Could you give me the coordinates?
Best regards, Yaan (talk) 16:49, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
I Did not have any coordiantes on 红格尔图, it was just the name of the battle given in Guo Rugui's account. According to Guo Rugui, 第二部分:从“九一八”事变到西安事变日本侵绥的战备企图和中日 2, "红格尔图属绥远陶林县". Hongge’ertu was the Suiyuan town of Taolinxian 陶林县 or T'ao-Lin according to the period topo map: Chi-Ning nk49-9. It is currently called Hobor in Inner Mongolia. It had a stategic position linking Shangdu to the advance base at Bailingmiao and was in a pass along the route for the Mongolians intended advance south to take Baotou and Jining.Asiaticus (talk) 21:44, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi! I still could not find any place called Hung-ke-erh-t'u or 红格尔图 (or something similar) near Taolinxian. I have no doubt that Taolinxian is identical to Hobor, the question is whether 红格尔图 is the same as Taolinxian. An automatic translation of "红格尔图属绥远陶林县,为千余人口的小镇,西距县城80公里,南离集宁90公里,东距敌伪盘踞的商都30公里,为绥、察交界之要冲,是绥东北的门户,是商都通往百灵庙的必经之地。驻守这里的是骑兵第1师彭毓斌部的3个连。" (from seems to indicate that while 红格尔图 was part of 陶林 county of Suiyuan province, Honggort was in fact located about 80 km east of the county center, 90 km north of Jining, and only 30 km from Shangdu (and had only about(?) 1000 inhabitants). In other words, Taolin(xian?) city and Honggort are two different places, 80 kms apart, and Honggort is not so far from Shangdu. I am of course no sure how god your Chinese is (mine is close to non-existent), but maybe this is just the kind of question to ask at WP-project China? Regards, Yaan (talk) 19:37, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Sure why not. Maybe someone else can figure it out.Asiaticus (talk) 21:07, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Alright then. Yaan (talk) 13:47, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Just found a Hung-ko-erh-t'u at about 113°15'E, 41°40'N. It is on the northwestern road from Shangdu (which, just in case, is not to be confused with that other Shangdu), according to the map it is walled and the distance to Shangdu is 33km. But also according to the map, it is located in Chahar, not in Suiyuan. Yaan (talk) 13:56, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Pinacate/Perris contribs[edit]

Cool entries! It made me go back into the article on the OERM (which I originally did anyway) and split off an article on one of its historic diesels. Haven't been to the place in years, but I may go soon. Thanks for the inspiration! Regards, --PMDrive1061 (talk) 04:28, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Chinese Winter Counteroffensive[edit]

Hi Asiaticus, how're you doing? I was wondering if you know which of the big battles (會戰) does the 1939-40 Chinese Winter Counteroffensive belong in? Thanks man. Blueshirts (talk) 04:47, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Acording to the source I had, the 1939–1940 Winter Offensive was its own Offensive, an attempt by the KMT to roll back the effects of the Japanese Wuhan Offensive and subsequent offensives gains, on he basis that the Japanese were spreading out their forces for occupation and were vulnerabls using guerilla attacks as shown in the Battle of Changsha (1939). It only seemed to work well in Battle of Wuyuan and later in Battle of South Guangxi/Battle of Kunlun Pass but it did tie up the Japanese for a while undoing it elsewhere.
I think the Red Chinese may have done the Hundred Regiments Offensive because some of them came to think the Japanese were vulnerable or at least thought they needed to initate that offensive to look like they were holding up their part of their United Front with the KMT. They had obstructed or attacked KMT forces operations in or near their base areas during the offensive according to Hsu Long-hsuen. I beleve Mao was not in favor of it, and he seemed to have been right, as it provoked the Three Alls counteroffensive against the Reds that did a lot of damage to them. (BTW I think an expanded article on the counter insurgency campaigns of the Three Alls Policy would be a good addition to the Second Sino-Japanese War).
See the sources, most of the account comes from the condensed English translation of a multi volume histoy, Hsu Long-hsuen and Chang Ming-kai, History of The Sino-Japanese War (1937–1945) 2nd Ed., 1971. I imagine the multi volume work in Chinese would be a hell of a lot more informative.Asiaticus (talk) 07:18, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Belleville, California[edit]

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DYK for Great Flood of 1862[edit]

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Indian Wars[edit]

I see you added California as a belligerent in the Indian Wars. Is there any reason why you think it should be listed separately, instead of a part of the United States of America? Note that unlike Texas, California has not been an independent state during any period of time, so I don't think it should be listed as a separate belligerent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:01, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

California was an independent belligerent in many cases. Between 1850 and 1854 the gold rush caused many of the the few U. S. Army troops in the state to desert in great numbers and then drove wages and prices up so that there was great difficulty recruiting or retaining them or supplying them. Before the railroads, California was economically isolated from the rest of the U. S. by the costs involved in sending goods from the East and dependent on local goods.
California organized large numbers of militia troops mainly to put down bandits and Indian uprisings, mostly because U. S. Army troops would not or could not act against them. It was a political issue no governor could ignore in a state with a large mostly young male population that demanded and expected action and were quite capable of doing it on their own if need be and making the offending governor or party pay at the next election or sooner, as did the 1856 vigilace commitee in San Francisco. There were a number of campaigns against the Indians fought with California Militia from the time of statehood up thru the Civil War. Many of the Volunteers were former California militiamen who joined the ranks during the Civil War. California volunteers fought Indians all over the Pacific slope of the U. S. and New Mexico Territory during the Civil war. A couple of serious wars that Federal troops did not have much involvement, (only a little in 1861 in the Bald Hills War) or no involvement, (in the Owens Valley Indian War). Note the U. S. Army makes no mention of these in their list of Army campaigns vs the Indians, because they were basically California military affairs even if carried out technically as U. S. Army operations, California officers and troops carried them out at the behest of California governors. The Bald Hills War was won by a Mountain Battalion of former local California Militiamen especially recruited to fight that war.Asiaticus (talk) 09:30, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Bear River Massacre[edit]

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1st Battalion of Native Cavalry, California Volunteers[edit]


Article: 1st Battalion of Native Cavalry, California Volunteers.

I personally would like to encourage you to expand the above article further. You have done a good job so far ... However, there are still some unreferenced sections in the article, which I have marked for you. The Coordinators at WikiProject Military History would like to see users such as yourself do a good job with articles which are highly assessed. Hope to hear from you in the near future. Please do not hesitate to post on my Discussion page. Adamdaley (talk) 13:35, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Tejon Pass[edit]

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1st Regiment Nebraska Volunteer Cavalry[edit]


Article: 1st Regiment Nebraska Volunteer Cavalry.

I'm only asking did you add the additional information about the above article? I mean it seems like the Battles and sentences run into each other. I've seen this quite alot in the articles among the American Civil War. Do you know who would it be? It would be appreciated if you gave feedback. Adamdaley (talk) 12:06, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

It was added early on it seems, not by me. Somehow whoever added it managed to avoid an edit entry in the Veiw History. It is probably a cut and paste of the Dyers Compendium entry on the service of this unit on this website of Civil War units:Union Regimental Histories, Nebraska Should be referanced in notes and can be cleaned up for better understanding of the service of the unit, Link to locations, battles etc. Or expand into a section on the history of the units service. I did that for some California units pages I have done. Asiaticus (talk) 20:14, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Antelope Valley[edit]

Hello, Asiaticus. I just wanted to let you know that I've recently become aware of you and your edits, especially those concerning things to do with the Antelope Valley. As a current AV resident, I've found a lot of it to be quite interesting. It's my plan to improve the articles about the Antelope Valley, Palmdale, Lancaster, CA and a few others. I've already started at User:Matthewedwards/AV, but it's a slow process! :p Best, Matthewedwards :  Chat  06:57, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

I got started on what I have been doing with California history subjects from improving the History section of the Wikipedia artice for my hometown of Lake Elsinore, California. Turned out a lot of history linked into it in my local region and elsewhere, so I gradually spread out into other related topics.Asiaticus (talk) 07:30, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Referencing advice[edit]

Hi Asiaticus, your contributions to military history is valuable and highly regarded. I think you probably may do with some help with referencing. Instead of using bullet points for each tag for citation e.g. *. You can actually use common citation templates such as {{Cite book}}, {{Cite news}}, {{Cite journal}} and {{cite web}}.

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hope this helps you with your referencing of future military history articles. --Visik (Chinwag Podium) 02:00, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar for you[edit]

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Thanks its nice to be appreciated. 03:02, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Fort Baker location[edit]

Thank you for starting the Fort Baker page! I was wondering if you have put a geolocation for that site? Thank you. Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:21, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes I put up the coords on it. Its a general location as the actual site has been obliterated by flooding over the last 150 years. Asiaticus (talk) 18:54, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Super!! Thank you! By the way you might find this page useful for Google books references it's the Google Book Citation creator. For other citations there is a helpful application Wikipedia citation generator. You just put in the URL of whatever you're citing and you get the framework at least of the citation. For mapping, the most useful things I've found is a page which lets you find Latitute/Longitude from addresses or locations. To put that lat/long into Wiki format, just paste what you got from the first one into this map tool. Cheers!! Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:58, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the links, they will be useful.Asiaticus (talk) 01:17, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of 114th Division (Imperial Japanese Army) for deletion[edit]

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Creation of Tule River War[edit]

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Global account[edit]

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Thank you for work on California steamboats[edit]

Thank you for your work on California steamboats, especially Steamboats of the Colorado River. This topic long needed addressing.Mtsmallwood (talk) 15:28, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, high praise it seems, seeing what you have done. Not yet done with the Colorado River article, took a pause on it recently. Playing some catchup on doing related links and some other stuff. Want to expand the main California Steamboat article similarly to the Colorado one. A lot there to do. Asiaticus (talk) 18:54, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

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