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This user wrote Ernesto de Quesada, which was included on 13 August 2007 in Did you Know? This user wrote Alfred Schulz-Curtius, which was included on 11 November 2007 in Did you Know? This user wrote John Pitre, which was included on 15 December 2007 in Did you Know? This user wrote Ben Finney, which was included on 8 January 2008 in Did you Know? This user wrote Jon Lomberg, which was included on 20 January 2008 in Did you Know? This user wrote Dorothy Canning Miller, which was included on 28 January 2008 in Did you Know? This user wrote Romany Marie, which was included on 19 February 2008 in Did you Know? This user wrote Chryssa, which was included on 4 March 2008 in Did you Know?

Inactive discussions in User talk:Athaenara/Archives are sorted by subject.

Archives     Subjects
0000     Moving files to the Commons (NowCommons, db-f8)
000     adminship
00     deletions
0     did you know, signatures, SF Meetups
1     miscellany
2     biographies of living persons
3     third opinion project
4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10     conflict of interest

Commonwealth Freedom of Movement Organisation deletion[edit]

in re: Commonwealth Freedom of Movement Organisation (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I noticed you speedily deleted the Commonwealth Freedom of Movement Organisation page. This page was recently nominated for CSD with the same G11 tag and I removed it because I believe that it was an applicable candidate for G11. It says in G11 that "any article that describes its subject from a neutral point of view does not qualify for this criterion". The article seemed to be written from a neutral point of view. I would have liked to have been notified of the parts where this wasn't so. It also says at WP:CSD that "administrators should take care not to speedy delete pages or media except in the most obvious cases". Is this really one of the most obvious cases? The article was well sourced and the subject was covered by independent third party sources. Is it appropriate to readd a same CSD tag instead of going to AfD? It certainly does not seem reasonable, especially since there was not kind of assumed consensus required for it to be deleted speedily (by the tag being added and removed previously). Air.light (talk) 02:52, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Request to undelete my article about Transcrypt[edit]

in re: Draft:Transcrypt (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Athaenara

Seems you've deleted my article about Transcrypt, an open source Python to Javascript compiler resulting from a project I started. Earlier objections against the article, that was offered for review, have been made with regard to notability by one editor.

I added some more references and also pointed to the fact that similar compilers are discussed on other Wikipedia pages. Of course that doesn't automatically mean the page is now good enough. I am quite open to reason, discussion and improvement, but destroying hours of work (not even a trace in the deletion list) without even reacting on my arguments gives a feeling of dealing with a totalitarian state rather than with a community that welcomes contributions. I invite you to share with me the reasons for deleting this page, so that I may improve it if needed.

Jacques de Hooge Netherlands Jacdeh (talk) 10:49, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Your attempt to use Wikipedia to promote your product/project failed our relatively rigorous conflict of interest and spam guidelines. Please click on the links in the deletion log and read the content displayed. Thank you. – Athaenara 22:46, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

I've tried to find it in the deletion log right after it was deleted, but couldn't find an entry for it. Could you provide me with a link. Also I'd like to read the guidelines you refer to. Thanks in advance. JdeH. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacdeh (talkcontribs) 08:46, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

  • If you click on "logs" in the article links above, you will see that "G11" and "advertising" are linked. – Athaenara 09:20, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip, hadn't seen that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacdeh (talkcontribs) 17:56, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Consider the page for draft[edit]

in re: TechJini (company) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Dear Athaenara.

Can you consider my page for restoring it to draft space for improvement. I can improve my page by adding more appealing information with authoritative information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramu1984 (talkcontribs) 07:55, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Your article fits the Wikipedia definition of unambiguous advertising or promotion perfectly. Please do read the information linked in the deletion log. – Athaenara 11:51, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Sakshi Chopra[edit]

Thank you speedy deleting the page. The page was recreated by her agency after previously deleting it in 2015. Do you think it'd make sense to WP:SALT it? Coderzombie (talk) 08:17, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Closing AFD[edit]

in re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sun & Sand Sports

Hi Athaenara, You recently deleted an article, [[1]], while an open AFD [[2]] is being discussed. Since I am the nominator I can't close it, so if you have a chance would you close it? Thanks! CBS527Talk 16:14, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Richard Greene and clarity[edit]

in re: Richard Greene (author and speaker) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hi. So, not sure if you read my reaction to seeing the speedy deletion immediatly pop up on the article I was creating about author and speaker Richard Greene - but I'm pretty darn confused as to what's happened! I wasn't writing a promo piece about him; I thought he was a really interesting subject after I saw his Ted talk and poked around a bit and turns out he actually is fascinating and has a really cool and interesting life and history. The guys a radio and media personality and his book (the one Penguin put out) seems pretty amazing (and has a forward by Tony Robbins. I'm asking in all sincerity for some clarity because I love being a part of wiki and I want to understand and learn; and also, I just don't get why it was so challenged? Respectfully... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akrumoftruth (talkcontribs) 17:12, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

User: Athaenara Still hoping to get clarity from you as to why you deleted the article I'd started about Richard Greene. I reached out to other users for help and they're directing me back to you. While I've been waiting to hear from you to understand your reasoning for deleting the article, I have found more solid links about him connecting him to what I wrote in the piece, including an on-camera interview on CBS News about his job as Princess Diana's speech coach. Surely that alone would be of interest to wiki community - I love wiki and I'd love to learn more about this which is why I'd investigated him in the first place ;-). I have the link to CBS as well as the link to the article about the popular radio program he created and hosted for Air America that another wiki author posted in 2007.

So please, I am asking with great sincerity - tell me what I did wrong; and if possible, tell me how I can re-write this so you'd feel better about it because I'm guessing I approached it all wrong? I want what I create to be appreciated by the community, so this hurts!... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akrumoftruth (talkcontribs) 20:20, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

  • It's clear you admire the guy and want to promote him, but that's not what this encyclopedia is for. If he becomes notable enough that other users create a neutral and encyclopedic page about him, all well and good. If you're impatient, you can try WP:DRV and ask that it be put in your userspace as a draft to work on it further (see Help:Userspace draft). – Athaenara 23:34, 21 February 2017 (UTC)


in re: DevSecOps (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
see also: DevOps (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Please explain your reason of Unambiguous or promotion deletion? Do you understand the subject matter as there is another Wiki page in which this term is derived form called DevOps. If DevSecOps is considered unambiguous or promotion, how does DevOps remain? Help me understand because this is very frustrating.

Bjm243wiki (talk) 20:48, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

  • Restored (perhaps temporarily) per your complaint. – Athaenara 20:57, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Descriptive notation[edit]

see also: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 February 23#Wikipedia:Descriptive notation

Hey there! I created this page for reasons that escape everyone, including me. Thank you for deleting it. But while you were deleting it, I was creating its talk page, simply asking for someone to delete it. Would you now delete the talk page for the nonexistent project page which had been a redirect to the main namespace? Jm (talk | contribs) 21:24, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

  •  DoneAthaenara 21:40, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
  • I just closed the RfD discussion noting that you speedy deleted. I presume you meant WP:G7 instead of WP:R3, right? The redirect was created in 2011, which wouldn't be recently created. -- Tavix (talk) 23:12, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
    • Sure, I just give more weight to the lack of utility than any element of recentism. – Athaenara 02:28, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


Hello, can User:CLWE/monobook.js be deleted as well? The template doesn't seem to work. --CLWE 03:14, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Pacific Union Financial[edit]

in re: Pacific Union Financial (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hi Athaenara,

I'd like to work with you to recreate the wiki page for Pacific Union Financial - I was basing the structure/style of the page based on other financial institution articles, while trying my best not to sound promotional, but if the content needs to be further refined just let me know. I'd love to work together to get the article up and running the right way. I'm also fairly new to this, so if I reached out to you in the wrong way I do apologize.


Timothuney (talk) 16:44, 20 March 2017 (UTC)Timothuney

I have zero interest in creating such a page. You are not going to work with me. We are not going to work together. Your efforts to avoid sounding promotional while actually being promotional are ... nevermind.
Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#G11. Unambiguous advertising or promotion and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion are both linked in the deletion log, you should already have read them. – Athaenara 02:20, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

ref Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Archive 70#Relisting AfDs that were created 1 April

Thank you for the help with the April Fools cleanup. To think we almost had two edit wars over it! TonyBallioni (talk) 02:42, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

  • You are welcome, initiative needed to be taken! – Athaenara 02:50, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
I'm too tired right now to send Wikilove, but I encourage you to have a beer. I'm drinking one as typing! TonyBallioni (talk) 02:52, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

File review[edit]

see also: commons:User talk:Ellin Beltz/Archive 6#A W Lawrence

Hello, time ago you deleted file File:Youth-lawrence-cambridge.jpg that was moved to Commons. Can you please check if the original upload was a transfer from Flickr done by user Geofones? I am dealing with an OTRS ticket about the file, and it would be useful to have this information. Thank you! --Ruthven (talk) 10:41, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

The initial upload edit summary said:
(diff) 21:18, 4 January 2010 . . Jack1956 ... (2,313 bytes) ({{Information |Description= Photograph of 'Youth' by Kathleen Scott (1920) |Source= |Date= 31 March 2008 |Author= Geofones }} Permission for use:
Athaenara 14:07, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! --Ruthven (talk) 20:59, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


in re: Draft:Agile CRM (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) and User:Runa1123/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
see also: User talk:RickinBaltimore#Deletion of Draft:Agile CRM

Hi Athaenara,

I see that you have taken down my article from the sandbox as well marking it down for promotional content. Would really appreciate if you could help me to modify the content to make it wiki ready. Thanks!

Runa1123 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:24, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

You must know by now about our policies and guidelines against using Wikipedia as a vehicle for advertising and promotion, and yet you're not only still trying to do it, you're trying to get other editors to help you do it. Stop. – Athaenara 01:22, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

How Can I Make a wikipedia Page for this singer?[edit]

in re: Sara Diba (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hellow MS/MR How Can I make a page for a singer. I maked 3 times but it deleted... she is a singer but I Can't make a page for her. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saeedheidarizarei (talkcontribs) 15:22, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

  • It is a promotional piece with no indication that she is notable. Please read the Wikipedia policy and guideline pages linked in the message on your user talk page to increase your understanding of what you tried to do and why it doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. – Athaenara 03:45, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

The Jabbar kallarackal socks[edit]

in re: Niyathy Satheesh (talk · contribs) and Sumith S Nair (talk · contribs)

Re my question and your comment, shall I lodge an SPI, or what? Thanks for getting rid of the ad, too. — O Fortuna semper crescis, aut decrescis 16:27, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

They produced identical spam and should both be blocked; sockpuppet investigations aren't useless but it's obvious in this case. – Athaenara 16:48, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Student project[edit]

in re: Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/University of Texas at San Antonio/Black Lives Matter - Critical Perspectives (Spring 2017)
see also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Diversity (Black Lives Matter Guiding Principle) and Seraphimblade's excellent advice at User talk:Burgesspfc#April 2017

``Hi Athaenara, I created pages for a Black Lives Matter class at UTSA. The 13 guiding principles have no descriptions, so our assignments were to create pages for each of the guidelines. I published them today, and from the looks of it, they all were deleted. Can you please help me get them back so I can improve them or maybe tell me why they were deleted? The very nature of this subject is very controversial so I am wary and concerned as to why these links and content connected to them were deleted. Please help, Burgesspfc (talk) 01:54, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

I cannot control whether or not class assignments are appropriate or scholarly. If I were in that position, I'd first assign reading and test students' comprehension of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, for example: Wikipedia:Notability, What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion, and Wikipedia is not here to tell the world about your noble cause. If you read those and still then believe that your entry might belong in an encyclopedia, you may try Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion if you wish. – Athaenara 12:03, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Sock puppet[edit]

in re: Manalalkhaled, Eanderson007, Edanderson-capc

You tagged Manalalkhaled as a possible sock puppet, but you don't appear to have opened a sock puppet investigation of the matter? What's the point of tagging the page if you're not going to open the investigation? WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 12:25, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

A sockpuppet notice is more a shot across the bow than a full frontal assault. That's often enough to stop them. SPIs are for when it isn't. – Athaenara 17:18, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

'We're colleagues, not livestock'...[edit]

in re: this post you've sometimes longed for that virtual cattle prod through  ;) great line! Cheers, — O Fortuna semper crescis, aut decrescis 12:40, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! – Athaenara 22:53, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Hamish Blakely Article Deletion Notice[edit]

in re: Hamish Blakely (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Dear Athaenara,

I totally understand the deletion of my article. As autobiographical material I was completely ill informed regarding your guidelines about how the nature of this content is justifiably treated with caution and ultimately, rejection.

This was a considerable lapse in judgement on my part. My interest in Wikipedia will continue and to further enhance my skills as a writer/contributor, I would like to consider submitting articles,that follow Wikipedia protocol more comprehensively, in the future.

In an effort to wipe the slate clean, may I ask for the removal of the alert on my current article/talk page stating: "This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference." "23:40, 7 May 2017 Athaenara (talk | contribs) deleted page Hamish Blakely (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion: more at User talk:Hamish Blakely)"

As stated, I completely accept the reasons for this template but would be very grateful if this could be removed.

Many thanks, Kind regards, Goldentundra49 (talk) 10:15, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Goldentundra49: That's just a log entry. It will remain on the log forever. However, it is only currently visible because the page does not exist. If a page is recreated under that same title (all with regard to the guidelines on autobiographies, promotion, and sourcing, of course!) it will not be visible. Except in the log. Where it will stay forever. In any case, please do not take it as a personal stain on your character. — O Fortuna semper crescis, aut decrescis 10:49, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for stepping in, Fortuna, you're welcome any time. I understand your concerns, Goldentundra49, and please understand that very few will ever see anything about that little misadventure other than a few administrators who keep track of WP:COI and related issues. It's a very small pebble that fell in a very large pond. – Athaenara 22:46, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


in re: users Yungspecz, Yungspeczgh, Pagez Music

After you blocked User:Yungspecz, the guy reregistered as User:Yungspeczgh and recreated Yungspecz twice more. I've blocked the new account. I suppose we could protect it in case he creates a third account, but if it's all right with you, I'd rather use it as a honeypot (computing) and leave it unprotected. Nyttend (talk) 23:32, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

That sounds reasonable to me. – Athaenara 23:36, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Basic questions about editing[edit]

I received a message from you Athaenara that I should have not deleted the tags from a page named Anuradha Bhattacharyya. Bri had guided me a lot. Maybe, you did not notice that? If you did and still want the tags, okay. But let me know.

For help, I am giving you another link that I had not given previously because here, the 'about the author' material is very boring.

Shouldn't YOU just 'cleanup' whatever is irrelevant in a page? Do I have to do it all the way to its final version? And still not be allowed to remove the tags? AtulAtul Bhattacharyya (talk) 22:13, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Need to have a reference of our deleted page[edit]

in re: User:Iandwe/sandbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Please provide for a reference of our page and the deleted sequence as we have had the followinng edit made by you:

23:28, 9 March 2017 Athaenara (talk | contribs) deleted page User:Iandwe/sandbox (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion: cf. Wikipedia:User pages#What may I not have in my user pages?)

need at least the previous versions log as I cant find the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iandwe (talkcontribs) 07:29, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

It was unambiguous advertising and promotion. As such, it was subject to speedy deletion per WP:CSD G11 as specified in the deletion log (select 'logs' from the page links I added above). See What may I not have in my user pages? as well. – Athaenara 10:12, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Help with the draft![edit]

in re: Draft:ITC Infotech (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello Athaenara, I had recently drafted an article for Draft:ITC Infotech which was reviewed and suggestions were given. So I did the changes and submitted again for the review. But I could see the draft is no longer available. Could you please help me with this. I was trying to make the article better based on the suggestions. I am being a new user was trying to make the article better. I would appreciate your suggestions on this. Please do review and let me know if there are any further changes to be made. Thanks.Percysam11 (talk) 11:10, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Do you have any other interest in editing Wikipedia? I ask because, like user Amitabhaitc (talk), you seem to want a page about ITC Infotech and nothing else. Wikipedia is actually an encyclopedia, not just any other free content posting website (compare Wikipedia:Alternative outlets). – Athaenara 06:28, 19 May 2017 (UTC).


in re: Revenite (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views); see also: User talk:Egy mary

You deleted the article several days ago, but a catalog entry for it still shows up in Category:Internet. Could you see to its deletion as well, please? (I don't know how to do it). Thanks, (talk) 05:47, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Well, it was there a few minutes ago, now it's gone. Just mentioning your name did the trick. Thanks again. (talk) 05:56, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

OK, then! – Athaenara 09:52, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Sedlak Management Consultants[edit]

in re: User:Blackracecar/Sedlak Management Consultants (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Was Sedlak Management Consultants "exclusively promotional and would need to be fundamentally rewritten to conform with Wikipedia:NOTFORPROMOTION"? If not, would you please restore it to User:Blackracecar/Sedlak Management Consultants, where it was moved from by a user other than its author shortly before it was deleted. If it was, no action is due. Best Regards, — Godsy (TALKCONT) 05:47, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

The usual venue is Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion; I won't unilaterally restore promotional pages. – Athaenara 06:32, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
Actually, Wikipedia:Deletion review would be the proper venue (after discussion here of course). Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion is for pages "uncontroversially deleted via proposed deletion, under certain speedy deletion criteria (such as maintenance deletions or rejected Articles for creation drafts), or in deletion debates with little or no participation other than the nominator" and specifically states "Please do not request that articles deleted under speedy deletion criteria A7, G5 or G11 be undeleted here." However, I don't wish to challenge the deletion; I just wanted to make sure you would have deleted the content that was recently moved from User:Blackracecar/Sedlak Management Consultants to Sedlak Management Consultants by a user other than its author if it hadn't been moved, because otherwise the content should be restored to User:Blackracecar/Sedlak Management Consultants. One of the conclusions of WP:UP/RFC2016 was If a draft is moved to the mainspace by a user other than its author, then found to be unsuitable for the mainspace for reasons which wouldn't apply in the userspace, it should be returned to the userspace. I realize the GCSD generally apply to all articles regardless of namespace, but it existed for ~7 years in the userspace, hence I just wanted to double check. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 07:34, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
You're right, requests for undeletion and deletion review are more bifurcated now than i remember them being a few years ago. It's interesting that the former specifies not to use it for G11s but doesn't say where to take them instead, and the latter doesn't mention G11 at all.
At any rate, as per your careful explanation of the predicament the user found himself in*, I undeleted the page and moved it back to its original location. – Athaenara 14:32, 21 May 2017 (UTC) * (or didn't: the user hasn't edited Wikipedia since May 2010.) 14:48, 21 May 2017 (UTC)