User talk:Athaenara/Archive 1

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Pre-RfA and RfA discussions were moved to User talk:Athaenara/Archive 000#Adminship

Miscellany 2006

1960s single stub

Haha! I hadn't noticed that the message was messed up before. Good eye. Just a tip that, in the future, when you see something in brackets like that, it's a template. To edit it, type "template:templatename" in the search box, then hit "Go" and you'll be brought to an editable page for the template. I went ahead and fixed the one you pointed out. GassyGuy (contribs) 07:57, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note about fixing templates, GassyGuy. I knew it was a template, of course, but I had no idea how easy it was to get inside one. Athaenara 08:06, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Project Insight

Hope this is what you wanted. If you need to tweak this some more, or if you want to upload other pictures, I'll be glad to help. Thanks for just now! --Rifleman 82 21:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

It's terrific, Rifleman, thank you! Athaenara 21:53, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

You're a genius?

(... a reminder that I don't seem like a genius. —A.)

I hope this doesn't offend you, but you didn't seem like a genius. And you don't edit anything particularly brilliant, but rather, your edits seem to be just simple fixes here and there. How about completing the table of logic symbols? That's something I actually wrote on the article's talk page that I was going to do, but never did. Or how about "dumbing down," the articles on advanced mathematics and physics, so that, for example, the average reader can understand what the hell this means? At least maybe you can help me correct the article on Classical Liberalism. Robocracy 07:09, 17 November 2006 (UTC) aka HP_Owner in the IRC

Albert Einstein citizenship NYWTS.jpg

No, I really cannot imagine why Mensa let me in. Given your low estimation of my intelligence, you won't be disappointed that I decline your offer of an assortment of ambitions in which you've lost interest. — Athaenara 14:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

On Aggression

I think you made the article On Aggression more encyclopedic, but I don't agree that my reference didn't support the claim (regardless of how encyclopedic the article was on the whole with it). Alas, my reference to page 94 fell out when I made the reference work, so perhaps you thought I meant the whole book. I'd be glad to hear your opinion on that. (–Uncas)

Wikipedia:Avoid weasel words#Examples is excellent reading.
  • Specifically in regard to: "Many ideas are now believed to be false, such as [this] and [that] ... ".
The reference's link trail does not lead to verification of the claim.
  • To check this most easily: go into the article's history, find an earlier version which still includes the reference (this one, for example), and follow the succession of links as if you had not written it yourself but were another reader, seeing it for the first time, seeking the support implied by the ref tag.
  • The De Waal article does not mention Lorenz. The article about his book is a one-line stub.
In any event, what was said on "page 94"? And, whatever it was, does it not more properly belong in the De Waal article? Lorenz was not a primatologist. Most of his studies in ethology were of birds, which are also social animals with complex social behaviors.

By the way, how come you "cultivate a high tolerance for ambiguity" in an encyclopedia? Or is it in some other context? --Uncas 01:19, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I find life to be full of meaningful ambiguities. I haven't time just now for a more substantive reply to the question, but I thank you for asking. Athaenara 02:28, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

(Afterthought, months later: I love both Desiderata, which is comforting, and Deteriorata, which is hilarious.)

Special Thanx

Dudette! Thanx again for all the great help you've been and for the long chat. You've help me a great deal :) I hope I can call upon you in the future for your input. Next time I'l share my Belgian truffles with you. Mystar 04:36, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

You are welcome, Mystar. Athaenara 04:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


Huh? Not that it isn't funny, but I'm not quite sure what you meant...Cheers, Moreschi 21:01, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I had been wandering through a thicket of posts, on and off admin pages, after Cool Cat tried to get my support on IRC for some recent WP:POINT absurdities and stunts. I told him he and Bastique owe apologies to Moby Dick (and to a lot of other people, as I now understand it); he stalked off, after a few parting shots, in high dudgeon and/or low umbrage.
When in the midst of these wanderings I stumbled over that strange (and unrelated) unsigned post in the undergrowth I couldn't resist the urge to use the {{unsigned}} template, even though it was just an old post on a user talk page, and I felt awkward about it. Sorry I upset you! Athaenara 22:25, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Upset me? No, not in the slightest! Cheers, Moreschi 20:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Huh is right. I took a second look and corrected it 23:08, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

Corrections and updates: the post I was trying to use the unsigned template on was actually added at 23:58, 15 November 2006 (UTC) by A Different World and I didn't get it right (I hope this is the last time). Cool Cat and Moby Dick have since become とある白い猫 and Moby Dick~enwiki.Athaenara 06:40, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Miscellany 2007

50 States flag PNG

Sorry about the delay. Must have missed your message. It should be possible to do a white border background for 50 States flag.PNG. I'll go through my files at home to see what state it currently is in. One challenge is that, because of the white from the flag, it wouldn't have a significant contrast with the exterior, and I'm not sure if I've still retained the original US outline in the file or not. I'll get back to you.--DaveOinSF 19:58, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, yes. Though it's great to have a USA map which doesn't omit Alaska and Hawaii, I see the difficulty as you describe it. I should have thought it through. Thanks for getting back to me—the delay was not a problem. Athaenara 23:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
(Afterthought: if Alaska and Hawaii could be coloured using red and blue only, they wouldn't disappear into a white background.) Athaenara 19:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Inexplicably delinked

[In re "the wrong Bobby Bird."] I originally made the link, but de-linked it after noticing that it was wrong. I'm changing it back to be unlinked. Thanks. Is that explicable enough?  :-) -anon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 15:46, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Use edit summaries more often, they help keep things explicable ;-)   Athaenara 15:53, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Youth sign language pics

Nonspecific comment intended to be hard to classify within your system

See also: User talk:Athaenara/Archive 1#Leave me a message link?

Not sure any more that a normal person can add anything to your Talk page, without first spending a week to study your archiving system :-)   Anyway, I'm giving it a try. Your change here does show a fantastic attention to detail. I'd just like to throw in my two cents that it may not matter so much if archive pages get large (over 81kb), because I think no one ever goes there (I mean normal people, not like us). If you truly can't classify this comment, it's fine to delete it! EdJohnston 20:24, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem. By the way, I studied the "puzzling change" you reverted. The guy found a previous version of the page in its history, added a comment, hit save -hey presto- all current discussions disappeared while previously concluded discussions returned in their earlier incarnations.
Barnstar of Reversion2.png
Barnstar of Exemplary Reversion
Awarded to EdJohnston for saving a Wikipedia Project Page
from destruction. — Athænara   03:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
For your act of vigilance, I award this very fine Barnstar. — Æ. 03:54, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Very nice star, I'm honored! Now I'll have to go resolve a conflict somewhere. EdJohnston 05:21, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


I'll try to not be so lazy next time and track down the links myself :) You're obviously busy enough on the BLP board as it is - Duly noted and appreciated. CovenantD 12:50, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey, thanks :-)   Athaenara 00:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Massive edits

Yes, that is how they were before, but they looked odd, and this box idea was originally in the area of Sen. Patrick Leahy. Therefore, I modeled it after that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by UnitedStatesIndia (talkcontribs) 21:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Please reply on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Succession Box Standardization#Over 100 edits to succession boxes.* Thanks. Athaenara 21:06, 16 March 2007 (UTC)  *[now archived]


I don't think I've come across anyone on wiki that works as hard as you. You rock. Keep up the good work! I wish I could work the way you do, I'm serious. I've had a bad two days, suffered some personal attacks and stuff, and I've been thinking about quitting Wiki. I'm not going to do it. Looking at your edits was pretty inspiring. I've resolved not to let certain people get me down, and get back to fighting vandalism, something I'm pretty good at. Thanx for renewing my inspiration in Wiki. Sue Rangell[citation needed] 21:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, thank you, it is very kind of you to say so, and I'm glad you're back on the job. — Athaenara 09:09, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism reporting

Just to clarify: my message wasn't directed at you; there was some kind of edit conflict. I've briefly blocked the IP. Jkelly 21:23, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know so quickly what happened to my AIV report. I was writing a post to you with all the diffs when your post arrived here. Athaenara 21:33, 7 April 2007 (UTC)


You too are being zinged by the HagermanBot when you try to maintain the COI/N page. I just visited User:HagermanBot/OptOut for the second time and got my name on the opt out list. Will see if that helps. (There is a way to turn it off for the whole COI/N page, but I think we have visitors who need the auto-signature). EdJohnston 15:26, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. I've now done likewise. Athaenara 19:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


April-November 2007 pre-RFA and RFA discussions moved to User talk:Athaenara/Archive 000#Adminship.

Ötzi the Iceman

Hi, I noticed that you moved the image of Ötzi the Iceman lower down in the article. Don't you think that it would be better if we had a picture at the top right hand corner of the article? Cheers, Jacklee 23:56, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

It was at the top of the article before. I think it's more effective placed at the top of "The body" section where it provides a direct visual reference to the detailed discussion of its condition as originally found and the subsequent research results. — Athaenara 00:11, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I see your point. Would be nice if we had an illustration for the top of the article too, though. Cheers, Jacklee 01:36, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

List of advertising slogans

See also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of advertising slogans.

Hi Athaenara, I hereby humbly request your opinion and suggestion at Talk:List of advertising slogans#Formatting entries and additions to the list. If you have a moment. Many thanks. dr.ef.tymac 18:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree that such lists need reasonably uniform formatting. I'll look more closely when I have time, after my computer issues have been sorted out. — Athaenara 22:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Charles Lyell litho

(In re: Charles Lyell article and Talk:Charles Lyell#Image source)

Hi, sorry to be so slow replying, only just noticed your post re the tag about the Ipswich Museum origins of the lithography. I have replied in the discussion there where you posted. Hope that's fine, post me at my userpage if not! Best wishes. Dr Steven Plunkett 02:05, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Un-Anonymizing and Spell-Correcting Faerie

Thank you very much, you GoodWikiFairy you, for fixing the signature and spelling of my post on Talk:Scottish Enlightenment#Consequentialist inconsistency. Bob Stein - VisiBone 15:16, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome :-) — Athaenara 02:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Common Cause

(In re: my question on User talk:Jonathan David Makepeace)

"In a Common Cause edit summary, you mentioned "another group of comparable prominence." What group is that? Is there a Wikipedia article about it? — Athaenara 21:49, 27 July 2007 (UTC)"

Hello, having no idea how powerful that group in the U.S. is, I was mistaken about the group being of equal prominence, but there is an alliance of republican (anti-monarchy) groups in Australia, Britain, Canada and New Zealand called Common Cause. You'll find their pages listed here. Cheers! Jonathan David Makepeace 22:08, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

A brief search found an Anglican Common Cause as well. — Athaenara 22:30, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Others found; see Common Cause (disambiguation). — Athaenara 06:27, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


(In re: category and stub type for WVMR)

Thanks for that correction, I figured I would have messed up on one of them. It was almost 10am and I hadn't gone to sleep yet (damned insomnia). I will go through and recheck my last contribs to make sure I didn't goof up anything else. Again, many thanks for the correction :) Take Care....NeutralHomer T:C 23:16, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome! — Athaenara 00:14, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Your edit to Template:Unbalanced

(In re: edit and fix on {{Unbalanced}} template. —A.)

When you edited Template:Unbalanced, you didn't wrap your tag with <noinclude></noinclude>, which caused it to be displayed on every page that the template was transcluded onto. Please be more careful in the future when editing templates. Andrew Hampe Talk 01:39, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. — Athaenara 01:40, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


(After the message below was posted on my user page, I moved it here. See also: the list's AFD. —A.)

[[List of U.S. communities with caucasian majority populations]] There ya go, please help expand it and help fight against its deletion. Cato1986 06:32, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Brag a little

Some markup I devised one day is getting some play over on Seth Swirsky and THE RED BUTTON  ;-)
Athaenara 22:11, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Opt out without category

(In re: a question I asked on User talk:SineBot. —A.)

Opt out without category

I followed the instructions on {{Bots}} to protect my own pages, but the bot will still sign updates to pointers, {{userlinks}}, etc. on other pages if the category is not added to them. Why not a HagermanBot/OptOut-like page instead of an only partially usable category? — Athaenara 00:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

The category is only to opt out a user, and is only placed on your User: page to make the bot ignore all of your contributions. {{bots}}, however, affects everyone on that page, and it is only to be added to single talk pages as needed. If you have any other questions, please use my talk page, as the bot's is infrequently checked. --slakr (talk) 11:51, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


In re: Template talk:RFCpol list#RFC not added to list.

I share your issue with RfCs appearing. My guess is that it takes a while for the bot to pick up the request and include it. The pages currently listed took around a day to make the list. I'll let you know if that is the case by tommorrow (I made an RfC for Talk: Foundation for Defense of Democracies.) Ngchen 01:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. I think the thing might be broken. Old issues languish and timestamps, which would help with that, aren't displayed. — Athaenara 02:00, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Civilization is high maintenance

I love your user page. —Viriditas | Talk 11:07, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! — Athaenara 11:12, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Mechanisms and processes of evolution

In re: my post about Mechanisms and processes of evolution. See also: WikiProject Evolutionary biology.

Truly speaking its a multiple effort of many wikipedians working under wikiProject evolutionary biology. thanks, Sushant gupta 12:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Disruptive editing noticeboard

See also: Category:Wikipedia noticeboards.

The Disruptive editing noticeboard (WP:DE/N), which is was structured on the model of BLP/N and COI/N (not on the model of WP:CSN or WP:PAIN), has had the potential to become a very useful forum for reporting and addressing violations of the disruptive editing guideline.

There is was a current discussion on Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Disruptive editing/Noticeboard regarding its possible deletion. — Athaenara 06:36, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Postscript: User El C (talk · contribs) deleted it although there were still active discussions on it. — Athaenara 07:22, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

(Wikipedia talk:Disruptive editing/Noticeboard was not deleted.) — Athaenara 13:00, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

We can still push for it's recreation or something with a similar function. I regret not having understood the opposition this would face, or else I'd have waited much longer to build up support before beginning. (Are you still sure you don't want to be an admin? If you agree, I will stop using {{resolved}} forever.) - Jehochman Talk 19:21, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I really do think it could be extremely useful, and I'd like to participate in efforts to establish it.
About adminship… you know, I kept misreading ‘just speak your heart’ (in one of your posts here) as ‘just break your heart,’ but as this is the third or fourth time this has come up, can you tell me what exactly you'd envision me actually doing if I were an admin?
By the way, look what I found!  Red question mark.svg Unresolved Athaenara 02:40, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Content forked: see User talk:Athaenara/Archives#Again?


In re: My post & edit summary on COI/N. Context: previous discussion above and earlier posts archived here. – A.

The Apocalypse. (swoons) - Jehochman Talk 22:08, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Straight line

(The post below refers to one of four self-quotes on my user page. A.)

Well i read the defination of a straight line which is most probably a part of your own orignal research. ummhhh... so you mean to say that the adjacent points lieing on the circle with infinite radius are linear. see, if you can visualise the straight line it can never ever form a circle. the angle formed between the two adjacent point would tend to be 180 degrees but would never be equal to 180 degrees. hence the defination you gave is a bit vague. thanks, (I also used to think the same what you thought of.) Sushant gupta 15:12, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


In re: Parque del Buen Retiro (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views).

Thank you, Athaenara, for inserting the Retiro link - and for your kind advice, too. Scribbleman 08:59, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome! — Athaenara 09:13, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Latin disciplina

Hi, just in case my browser is busted or something,... I can't tell the difference between the disciplina in these two. Was there really a ç-like character after the 'l'? I'm the one who originally wrote that sentence, so now I'm afraid that I'm inserting rot. -- Fullstop (talk) 03:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

It is a strange one, alright, absolutely invisible in the edit box—disciplina (cut&paste from the diff) is how it displayed—and I've never seen it before. — Athaenara 03:10, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
In case your browser can't see it here, either: it's somehow attached to the i (i) in a thin squarish font like those in early daisy wheel printers. — Athaenara 03:30, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
To me that looks like a normal disciplina. But as it turns out, its an html entity (&#141;) that on my machine looks like [ì] (zoomed: ì). Because the word is in italics, the grave accent blends with the [l] and makes it virtually indistinguishable from a regular [i]. In UTF-8/unicode however, symbol #141 is a special control character with no specific displayable value, thus the strange symbol you see (but for some reason I don't).
My bad. Ah well. 'Learn something new on the 'pedia every day. :) -- Fullstop (talk) 04:24, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Great detective work! — Athaenara 04:34, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Edward Jenner

In re: Edward Jenner (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) biography.

Somebody (yet again) vandelized scientist Edward Jenner's page. It's not again. If you wouldn't mind, could you track down who keeps doing this, or at least tell me how I can.edited by Thomas Arnold 18:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I {{pp-semi-protected}} the page. — Athaenara 19:26, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Miscellany 2008

Thanks for beauty and CIA

In re: Talk:Central Intelligence Agency (edit | article | history | links | watch | logs).

First, may I say that this is the most esthetically pleasing userpage I've seen on Wikipedia?

Second, It's becoming almost impossible to track what is happening in the edit wars over the CIA articles, but it appears you were putting in some stability. For that, I thank you.

It seemed wise and civil for me to touch base with everyone involved in this situation, hoping that some personal contact may calm the storming seas. I can only say that my intention, in working with original CIA articles and those that I spun off when it became impossibly large, is to improve NPOV and reliable sourcing. If I have an agenda, it is to introduce, into discussion of "CIA", that it does not always act unilaterally, but is following directions from the White House, and that it does things, such as !surprise! intelligence analysis. That agenda, unfortunately, appears to conflict with some that have a POV that the CIA is the incarnation of evil, any allegation of impropriety must be true, and to question this is "whitewashing".

Again, thanks for being bold enough to be involved in this mess. I hope we can get it back to some level of civility and valued content, perhaps with some way to link to the questionable allegations that some people want present, with perhaps less reliable sourcing. You may have noticed that the Military History project has started an Intelligence Task Force, and we are trying to improve the content of quite a few articles, not CIA alone. Unfortunately, some Wikipedia content in this area is more based on Hollywood than reality.

And yes...sometimes I believe reality is a crutch for those who cannot handle science fiction. :-)

Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 23:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your message and your appreciation. I was hesitant to archive anything past the end of October 2007 myself, because I am not involved in the controversies and don't know which ones are still pertinent and likely to flare up again. — Athaenara 23:32, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank for archiving at Insight Magazine

I'd been hoping someone would pick that up...I wouldn't have been the right editor for the job...thanks, WNDL42 (talk) 15:51, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome. — Athaenara 17:52, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Leave me a message link?

Do you have one on this page somewhere? I'm always confused as how you like messages to be added. --Ronz (talk) 02:25, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you meant by a message link. — Athaenara 02:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Something like: To leave a message on this page, click here. --Ronz (talk) 03:12, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Isn't that what the + tab at the top of the page is for? — Athaenara 03:18, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
At any rate, don't worry about where. I'll sort them myself at some point, because I use archives to retrieve discussions of recurrent or related issues. — Athaenara 03:40, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Ah. I've never noticed that anywhere before. --Ronz (talk) 03:41, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm keeping this section around for awhile—see also User talk:Athaenara/Archive 1#Nonspecific comment intended to be hard to classify within your system  :-) — Athaenara 09:44, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Archiving stuff

In re: Help:Archiving a talk page#Automated archival.

I think I found the archiving bot mentioned at WP:ARCHIVE, in case you encounter its incantations in other Talk pages. The activity of a bot is probably apparent in the History of the more recent archive. -- SEWilco (talk) 20:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Note that some of your userboxes have lost images, probably logos. Brain (particularly the Neuroscience portal box) has some images to consider, as does the UCB article (if nothing else, the UC map in the footer might do). -- SEWilco (talk) 20:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, you're really helpful! I'd been neglecting those images (a logo and a seal) which are overdue for attention. I'm following through, and I enjoyed the side trip: "although the brain represents only 2% of the body weight" it uses 15% of cardiac output, 20% of total body oxygen, and 25% of total body glucose ... — Athaenara 20:40, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Go Bears!

Good to see Berkeley alums here at WP. --Kevin Murray (talk) 05:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC) Class of '88

Porsche alums as well—mine was a 1963 356 SC. — Athaenara 07:00, 17 March 2008 (UTC) '92

Bugging you about bothering other people

Good evening. I don't have much experience with rapping people on their virtual knuckles as an administrator (yes, janitorial post, but our words are treated with more weight and we're definitely more responsible for them), much preferring to solve disputes with polite and usually ineffectual diplomacy, but there are times when a blunt instrument is called for. I would appreciate it if you took a look at this message to see if it was, in your opinion, proper conduct. --Kizor 03:21, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Hexagon1's last post on that talk page was two weeks ago. A more recent post (diff) indicates some awareness of the civility issues. — Athaenara 04:20, 21 March 2008 (UTC)]

Ambiguity tolerance

"One needs to cultivate a high tolerance for ambiguity." - Is that genius quote yours? Dorftrottel (warn) 11:16, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it is. I'm not sure if you're actually crediting me as a genius ;-) but the first time I remember saying it was in 1990 in an ethnic studies class at UC Berkeley. — Athaenara 11:36, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, it is genius. To me at least, which albeit may not be the high water mark: I didn't even know of the term ambiguity tolerance. Also, I usually say something is genius if and when it is something I've almost managed to come up with myself for a prolonged period. Dorftrottel (troll) 11:43, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. — Athaenara 11:52, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Invisible Pink Unicorn

In re: My post on User talk:-Midorihana-.

Really? Wow. :) Awesome. Midorihana~いいですね? はい! 20:46, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the image is very nifty as it is but your application of it, the way it seems to appear and disappear, is particularly cool. — Athaenara 23:40, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Request edit

Hi, here you linked to {{request edit}}, the template says only COI edits but it also works for uncontroversial edits to fully protected pages?

I don't have a COI, I just can't edit 'cause the page is locked. WLU (talk) 13:15, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Yoicks, {{editprotected}} (diff) was meant, I had a feeling something was a little odd there at the time.
Thank you for prompting me to look again. — Athaenara 14:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
And thank you for pointing out the request edit template, I've a couple COIs that I talk to who will doubtless be very interested! Always delightful to learn something new : ) WLU (talk) 15:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
You are welcome! — Athaenara 15:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Awarding Barnstar

See also: Wikipedia Signpost/2008-04-07/April Fools' and April Fool's Main Page/Archive 2008.

Joker black 02.svg The Barnstar of Good Humor
Aprils fools day was a blast. Loads of users lightened up to have good old fashioned fun. I want to thank you for taking part in editing this page in particular and even though I may not know you, embrace the same talk pages, or even edit with you in the near future, I'd like to award you this Barnstar for making Wikipedia a fun environment in which to contribute. Until next year. :) SynergeticMaggot (talk) 13:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Wow, thank you! — Athaenara 13:24, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Gone for awhile

Disgusted by Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 April 21#High school alumni (United States) and similarly pointless processes. — Athaenara 12:10, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

 :-( ...tho I understand the sentiment... Zeng8r (talk) 16:26, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Result was keep, thank goodness. — Athaenara 11:42, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I am taking a long semi-wikibreak and will be editing less frequently. Athaenara 05:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

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In re: Anti-tobacco movement in Nazi Germany (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views).

This is for you. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 13:40, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad to see the article in mainspace, thanks for telling me (looking for DYK nom [found] [featured]).
Coincidentally, activist beheads cigarette recently. — Athaenara 21:03, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Unblock requests

Blocking of Oberiko

In re: my decline of an unblock request by Oberiko (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log).

Hi Athaenara. I would like to request that you kindly unblock Oberiko. His work on the article World War II has been ongoing for months, subject to the Military History Project and discussed in talk, having gained relatively wide consensus among the project members. This may seem like ownership, however on complex articles like this it really does require a single editor to coordinate all the input. Flying tiger had not participated in significant discussion in talk, or attempted to following 2 reverts. I can assure you the project has capable admins as part of its organisation who are well able to deal with edit conflicts and institute blocks should hey be required. Regards--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♣ 06:03, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

rewinn's block

In re: my decline of an unblock request by Rewinn (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log).
See also: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive429#user vandalizing article by removing an image from it.

Please look into that block more. I have commented at the AN/I thread, and strongly feel that the 'even blocks for uneven behavior' is a poor response. It's clear from that article's talk, and the edit history, that Rewinn made far more effort than needed in dealing with CA, who had clear opposition from numerous editors for his edits. While Rewinn could've better used the WP:AN/3RR/AIV pages than he did, it's not like it's two random editors butting heads with no effort to solve an issue. Rewinn clearly made a large effort, appealing for patience, discussing at length, and so on. CA's responses are almost exclusively of the 'i'm right, you're wrong' variety, which almost always pisses off other editors. Look at the history and such, rewinn's patience is admirable, not criminal simply because it eventually wore out. Please reconsider and unblock. ThuranX (talk) 06:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

To both mrg3105 and ThuranX

Possibly pertinent: my entire block/unblock log. — Athaenara 21:44, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Understood. As a matter of good practice, I watch user talk pages for a few days after I have either accepted or declined an unblock request. As you may know, a blocked user whose request to be unblocked has been declined may again request an unblock.

To keep discussions centralised, please post your detailed concerns on the blocked user's talk page where the issues are being discussed. Thank you. — Athaenara 06:26, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

That's a polite 'No, I'm right and won't reconsider. ' Understood, and good day. ThuranX (talk) 06:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
No, it's a polite "mine isn't the only mop on this encyclopedia and my user talk page is not the most central location for discussions of specific unblock requests" message. Please assume good faith here as well. — Athaenara 06:35, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Your mop, your responsibility when wielding it. As for discussions, I'm not centralizing ALL unblock discussions, just those you undertook. and only ONE of those. But to get two such notes in a one minute span? Perhaps you should be reexamining. ThuranX (talk) 06:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
You felt a need to be snide about a declined unblock request from an editor who (1) had been blocked by another admin for only 12 hours and (2) was free to post another unblock request?
A sense of proportion, please. — Athaenara 03:29, 16 June 2008 (UTC)


See also: User talk:Ryulong#WP:R2D, User talk:Art LaPella#WP:R2D, User talk:BorgQueen#WP:R2D.
Related: Wikipedia talk:Redirect‎#R2D on the Main Page again and Wikipedia talk:FAQ/Main Page‎#Bypass redirect question.

User:BorgQueen and I are discussing the WP:R2D guideline, so do you consider it to be consistent with this edit of yours? More discussion is at Wikipedia:FAQ/Main Page#Please bypass this redirect. The Main Page should show our best work. Art LaPella (talk) 03:33, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I have no strong opinion about it and would not be concerned if my edit were reverted. The FAQ page history shows that you added that section very recently (15:55, 8 July 2008 UTC).
I do not agree that your idea (22:14, 7 July 2008 UTC) is "more efficient" (03:57, 8 July 2008 UTC).
I agree with Cenarium on Wikipedia talk:Redirect#R2D on the Main Page that a change in the guideline is unnecessary: "it's a very specific case where R2D is not followed" which "is not in total contradiction with the main purpose of the guideline" (6:29, 30 April 2008 UTC). — Athaenara 05:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm not a developer, but the simplest proposition to defend is that R2D is intended to apply to the Main Page. If there was any doubt before, the failure to add a Main Page exception to the guideline, which would have settled an oft-contentious point, should clarify the intent of R2D once and for all. But if you like, I could propose that the guideline positively state that it applies to the Main Page, and see how that goes. Art LaPella (talk) 23:40, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
"simplest proposition to defend"? I don't think so.
"oft-contentious point"? No, I don't think that's true, either.
My only recommendation: don't change any guideline or policy pages without thorough discussion on the talk pages of those guidelines and policies. — Athaenara 23:50, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Allegheny Mountain Radio

In re: Allegheny Mountain Radio (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views).

Hello, you were the user who originally requested that WCHG, WVLS, and WVMR be merged into Allegheny Mountain Radio. Well, after much work, those stations have been merged into the Allegheny Mountain Radio article. Please take a look, tell me if you think anything needs to be added. Take Care...NeutralHomerTalk 19:18, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

It was BrokeThird3 who originally proposed merging, in December 2007. I posted my support of the idea in late March (you removed it today, I don't know why). At first glance, the article looks fine—I'll look at it more closely when I have time. — Athaenara 19:46, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I removed it since it was merged, the request wasn't needed anymore. :) - NeutralHomerTalk 20:38, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Again, my post was not a request: I was supporting another editor's request. — Athaenara 20:46, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Well, either way, I figured since the pages were merged, the other users request (plus your support request) were no longer needed. - NeutralHomerTalk 21:02, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
In the Programming section, what does "on the air from 2 to 3 hours at day and sometimes a week" mean? — Athaenara 20:20, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I wasn't sure how to word that. Some DJs broadcasts 2 to 3 hours a day only on certain days....some broadcast everyday of the week. I should go back and word that better. - NeutralHomerTalk 20:38, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
I have reworded the section in question. It still doesn't sound right to me. Perhaps you could take a crack at it. Take Care....NeutralHomerTalk 21:02, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Notability of Royal R. Ingersoll II

Hello Athaenara! I did a little research and it turns out that no ships were named after Lt. Ingersol, only after his father and grandfather (see USS Ingersoll (DD-652) and USS Ingersoll (DD-990)). Would you now agree that the article Royal R. Ingersoll II does not indicate its notability and hence is a candidate for speedy deletion? Adrianwn (talk) 10:57, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, I restored the {{Db-person}} template you had added. — Athaenara 11:04, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Advice sought on BNP

In re: British National Party (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) peer reviews (first) (second)
See also: Wikipedia Signpost/2008-09-15/Dispatches: Interview with Ruhrfisch, master of Peer review

Hi A, I have found my way into a content / POV dispute via peer review about the British National Party article, please see here too. Do you have any thoughts / advice on how to go forward? Thanks in advance for any insight, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:26, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Long time no see! I'll have a look later tonight or tomorrow. — Athaenara 04:01, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I suggested Third Opinion or an RfC, but the editor who got me involved does not want to go that route. Thanks, and always glad to be in touch, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:07, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
I thought I'd get to this sooner, sorry. When I began looking into it, I checked links to the article in Wikipedia namespace hoping to find what the two posts (1 Sept and 8 Sept) on your talk page were about.
One of the things I found was Wikipedia:Peer review/British National Party/archive1, which seems to be the remains of a process which was hijacked by one of the very strongly POV editors who do not want any independent NPOV review of an article they appear to believe they own, which is, of course, not on.
My own view is that editors who disrupt a peer review should be barred from it, and the peer review allowed to proceed, but I have zero experience with that process and don't know how such interference is usually dealt with. Am I anywhere near the right track on this? — Athaenara 22:40, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for looking at this - I closed the peer review per Wikipedia:Peer review/Request removal policy Requests that aren't appropriate for peer review, for instance requests for help in containing vandalism, resolving an edit war, .... I do a lot at Peer Review and in retrospect agree it might have been better to keep it open, but I am trying to help out now. I also now see that there is a difference between an editor who brings an article to PR and then is opposed there, and a PR coming out of an edit war - I will also admit that in the press of so many PR requests I have not always tried to get to the bottom of an edit war that came up in PR. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:33, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
I am sorry to stalk this talk, but as the user who listed this for peer review, would either of you be opposed to a re-listing of this for peer review? Maybe one or both of you could play some defence and prevent the article owners from hijacking the process.--Lucy-marie (talk) 13:10, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
I would be fine with relisting it (and was the one who closed it before). Sorry about that, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 17:32, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Do you have any comments on what wording should be used when listing this article?--Lucy-marie (talk) 18:00, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
I think the way it started before was OK, perhaps mention MOS issues too. Perhaps better to say are there POV and MOS concerns. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:22, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Related advice sought

In re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/British National Party election results.

I am wondering weather the following two similar articles which are related to the above discussion are candidates for deletion. In my opinion they are just lists for the sake of it, which do not assert an independent notability. ALso to my knowledge other major parties in the united kingdom do not have similar articles. the articles are British National Front election results and British National Party election results. Many thanks --Lucy-marie (talk) 18:07, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Neither article cites any references at all. I would think there would also be BLP concerns as they list many people by name - how do we know this is accurate. Especially if there are no parallel articles, I think these are AfD ready. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:22, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

User requesting unblock

In re: Prokopenya Viktor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log).

Hi Athaenara. At User talk:Prokopenya Viktor there is a request for unblock, and what seems to be an apology. (He says he will put db-author on all this articles). You can decide if reform has occurred! EdJohnston (talk) 20:30, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

It's been many moons, Ed, it's good to see you! In general, I trust other admins to check any blocks I've set and to review them according to their own judgment. This is a good example of that. I saw no apparent harm in lifting the one week block three days early as per the intentions stated in the user's unblock request (diff), but Sandstein has declined and Flowanda posted related Russian wikipedia concerns which I forwarded to the blocked user's talk page. — Athaenara 22:08, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi, if you're not too busy ...

Hi! Sorry, my watchlist told me you were active, so ... could you do me a favour and handle WP:Articles for deletion/Pseudointellectual (2nd nomination)? I'm a gnome myself and was cleaning up, I have transwiki'd to wiktionary this article and the page is just kinda sitting there. I think consensus is met. If not, no worries! Thanks! :-) Fr33kmantalk APW 04:57, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

  Opened: 19:23, 5 September 2008 (UTC)   Closed: 19:51, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
  Opened: 20:03, 9 September 2008 (UTC)   Closed: 22:37, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Didn't know about that tag, thanks! :-) I don't partake in XfD anymore fr33kman t - c —Preceding undated comment was added at 03:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC).

Genevieve Termier

In re: Geneviève Termier (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views).

Thank you for the removal of the WP:CSD#A7 from the article on professor Geneviève Termier. Mea culpa that it was so brief originally, I think that she and her husband deserve and entry, yet I did not trust my French enough. Lesson learned. Have a nice Sunday. --HTO (talk) 11:32, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome. — Athaenara 02:14, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Philip Marc

In re: Philip Marc (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (Did you know)


For dabbing three at Philip Marc, it assisted my understanding to find out who they were. cheers Victuallers (talk) 16:28, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome, and thanks for popping up here and giving me an opportunity to mention that I think your image maps are terrific. — Athaenara 02:14, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Heads up

Your actions have been mentioned in passing at ANI and you may wish to contribute your own perspective. Regards, SHEFFIELDSTEELTALK 21:05, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. As per the courtesy blanking of that discussion and the related MfD, I'll do the same for my original reply here. — Athaenara 04:11, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Your userpage

Hi there, just a quick note that your userbox about the University of California, Berkeley has a link to a disambiguation page (namely, Straight). You might want to change it to make it clear what you mean. It Is Me Here t / c 19:50, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, but that is actually intentional. I considered being more specific but made the choice because it's not the only meaning of "straight" which applies. — Athaenara 20:00, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
No problem, take care. It Is Me Here t / c 20:15, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you.

I'm not certain, however, perhaps you have "cleaned up" a mess somewhere that I've made of a template or other posting? Greatly appreciated! Sorry about that, I'm a newbie, zoiks! Solarsails (talk) 07:31, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I've no clue what this is about, but you're welcome! — Athaenara 07:40, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


I'm sorry for my behavior, in my few days away I have been able to vent and relieve my stress and I am unlikely to do what I have done again and I am sorry about that whole Wikibreak thing. I hope you can forgive me for my behavior. Also, while I am here. I want to know (probably not), would you be alright if I went for an RfA? I have already been given the thumbs up by my Admin Coach...however not sure he knows about this..well either way he has a huge email telling him all about this issue and about what has been causing me so much stress. Which is gone now. Anyways, sorry for everything and I respect your answer to that question. Rgoodermote  07:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

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[1] Thanks, don't respect that much. It is in the history and how did I take anything out of context? Rgoodermote  22:07, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Please, do not use acronyms on me. 3 years here, I have read all of the policies and guidelines. I find it to be very annoying to be hit with an acronym instead of a...response that involves us talking out the issue. Probably not that great to be telling an admin off. But I feel disrespected. Rgoodermote  22:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Adios. Rgoodermote  22:25, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
(timeline: 18:35, 27 November through 06:44, 1 December 2008 UTC)
(timeline: 23:33, 30 November through 01:09, 1 December 2008 UTC)
discussion removed by Rgoodermote at 07:23, 5 December 2008 UTC (diff)
  • This page
07:16, 5 December 2008 UTC: Rgoodermote's post (diff)
08:00-08:01, 5 December 2008 UTC: my removal of it (diff) (diff)
I meant that a related discussion (part of the context) had been removed, not that anything had been taken out of context. I don't know what acronyms you meant. — Athaenara 01:07, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

FSU Seminoles Football

Can you please un-protect 2008 Florida State Seminoles football team. The edit war was resolved earlier this week on the talk page, and now that bowl game selections have officially been announced, the point of contention is moot. Thank you. Strikehold (talk) 01:04, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

(Done 01:13, 8 December 2008 UTC — Athaenara)

Miscellany 2009


I noticed you were online and an administrator and i was wondering if by any chance you could step in and maybe protect the new Survivor: Tocantins page. Constant vandalism and unsourced additions by anon users are becoming more prevalent and unrelenting. Thanks in advance and Cheers!--EmperorofPeopleEverywhere (talk) 06:14, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for page protection is the place. — Athaenara 06:18, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

WP:Assume no clue

in re: Wikipedia:Assume no clue

I'm going to start working on this... I think you're more in the know than I on what that means, so I'd love to have a convo with you about this sort of stuff :-) Xavexgoem (talk) 16:51, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

My first thought was that you raised this here because you read the Words of Wisdom on my user page where I quoted a January 2007 post (diff) by JonHarder. Was that it? — Athaenara 22:33, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Indeed :-)
Also, you're a regular at 3O, so I'd probably trust and/or agree with most of what you had to say ;-) Xavexgoem (talk) 22:38, 23 December 2008 (UTC) WP:ANC - oooh, shameless plug!
A discussion last month on User talk:Airwolfe31#Unblock my account is an example where it was reasonable to assume both good faith and no clue, but one user's stance against the new editor became rather extreme (related discussion). — Athaenara 11:44, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy Athaenara's Day!

Featured article star.svg

Athaenara has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian,
and therefore, I've officially declared today as Athaenara's day!
For unflagging civility and your work at giving third opinions and mediating,
enjoy being the Star of the day, Athaenara!

02:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

PS: This is the special holiday issue for January, commemorating the birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr. I've chosen you because of your outstanding skill at mediation and civility. bibliomaniac15 02:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Wow, thank you very much! — Athaenara 02:44, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations! Well deserved! Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Hey, thank you, Ruhrfisch, and good to see you! — Athaenara 03:16, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


see also: User talk:Athaenara/Archive 4#Tire companies

I am so Glad you are still here, this is two years late:

Barnstar of Diligence.png The Barnstar of Diligence
The Barnstar of Diligence may be awarded in recognition of a combination of extraordinary scrutiny, precision and community service.

This Barnstar is awarded to Athaenara for her tireless efforts to help create quality wikipedia articles. Thank you. (formerly travb, from the Firestone Liberian controversy) Ikip (talk) 19:14, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. — Athaenara 20:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
I hope to see you again. I don't think I ever thanked you enough for your assistance. Ikip (talk) 02:46, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Do you have time for an online interview?

in re: Little Sheepherd's research

Endulge my abruptness. I'm a university student working on a research project about Wikipedia. I saw your name on the 3O Wikipedians category; if I've read everything right, it must mean you have quite a lot of experience in offering 3O. I'd really appreciate it if you bother to share some of it with me... If you're able to give some help, please contact me on my User Talk. I'll mail you some questions. Thanks.

Little Sheepherd (talk) 16:18, 5 May 2009 (UTC)


in re: vandalism to user and user talk pages

Thanks for reverting the vandalism at my userpage. I didn't think any vandals would get round my genius invisible revolutionary anti-vandal system. I would give you a barnstars but I've just been waarned not to overuse them by an admin. --Spongefrog (talk) 10:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

You are welcome. — Athaenara 17:50, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

K.M. Daniel

Are literary critics such as K. M. Daniel notable? -WarthogDemon 04:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I think that hinges upon whether the subject satisfies the Wikipedia:Notability (academics) guideline. I have absolutely no expertise in the area of Malayalam literature. — Athaenara 04:40, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

User archives

in re: John J. Bulten's edits to User talk:Athaenara/Archive 5 (history)

You are of course free to retain improper links to wrong pages and dab pages in your archive, but kindly keep in mind that you just told me not to edit an ("your"?) archive page for housekeeping immediately after you edited the same archive page for housekeeping. As my job is complete upon having informed you that there are better ways, and since there is no need for us to come to agreement on this nano detail, you need not waste time replying. Thank you for listening. JJB 07:17, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

It is a {{UserTalkArchive}} in my userspace. — Athaenara 07:27, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving!


Happy Thanksgiving! I am thankful for you and your contributions here! Ruhrfisch ><>°° 22:54, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, and many happy returns! — Athaenara 00:00, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Archiving template

Hi. I see that you've been manually archiving a good number of pages. You may have noticed that I replaced one of the templates with {{talkarchivehist}}. I think it adds transparency, but I understand that using it adds work. Flatscan (talk) 05:51, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I guess it adds work for those who understand the template and know how to use it—I don't!—but maybe that will come to me some day. — Athaenara 06:23, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for your effort in creating archives. If you have any interest in the template in the future, feel free to ask. Flatscan (talk) 05:41, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Propagandistic comments

in re: Talk:Souliotes

The reason why I removed these comments [[2]] in the article's discussion was that they had nothing to offer in the article at all. Wiki isn't a political tool, so I believe the removal is appropriate and reasonable.Alexikoua (talk) 10:03, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

If your removal of that unsigned anon post was a better refactoring than my restoration of it, your reversion of my edit is not a problem. — Athaenara 01:00, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

For Cat's curiosity

Sorry for asking, but since you are the first lady WP:Admin happened to meet [here] and I took a sock from your nr. of edits, and your name seems Greek ( me"). May I ask: Are you Greek? (nothing to make you sceptical about it, you will hear nothing more of me -hopefully- just for cat's curiosity). --Factuarius (talk) 07:59, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

I invented the username, which seems to have come from an affection for the compound vowel ae/æ (ash), associations with Athena's owl (a meaningful symbol in Mensa), playing with syllables in a casual way, and liking the sound. I'm Anglo. — Athaenara 20:02, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your answer Athaenara. Just to know, in Greek your name is the superlative of the female name Athena, commonly used to friendlily address to someone when you purposely want to overestimate her just for showing your (friendly) respect to her. Have a magic new year, keeping up the (elf's) good work and (if I may) stay away from dark WP:exorcists, the opposite of your kind and noble race. Cheers, --Factuarius (talk) 17:50, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Wow, that's interesting—I had no idea. How would it be spelled in Greek? A fine 2010 to you as well! (WP:excorcists?) — Athaenara 21:09, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

"Αθηνάρα", "ΑΘΗΝΑΡΑ" from the female name Αthenά. It is also in use from the funs of the city of Athens for the same purpose in their (unfavourable) comparison to other cities. Generally the -ara is a somewhat boyly or tomboy expression always used to sweetly superlativate something loved that makes you feel proud (friend, sport teams, etc), usually used as a moral reward for his/her character or for a feat. WP:exorcists: just a joking expression for admins using their privileges in a rather Draconic way, much the same way as the medieval exorcists used to use their privileges. See for example the nr. of users blocked by a typical WP:exorcist [3] and that of a typical good elf [4] after spending the same time (and same edits) in WP. Which is the reason the greek version of your name seems so much fitting to me :-) --Factuarius (talk) 01:57, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much. — Athaenara 05:40, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Quick Archiving

in re: Talk:Monty Hall problem

At the Monty Hall problem, we're used to having our discussions around for months. Your latest archiving included diffs from December, 2009. Too soon, in my opinion. Glkanter (talk) 03:27, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

I reversed that (diff). Note: from Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#When pages get too long:

Older browsers can accommodate only 32KB in edit boxes, so anything larger can be too long for those who use them. Otherwise, a guideline to consider a page as long is when it exceeds 50 topics.

When I first saw it in Wikipedia:Database reports/Long pages, MHp talk was over 1000 KB [see 16:35, 18 December 2009 (UTC) in the page history], more than an order of magnitude larger than many other "long" pages. It's now approximately 530 KB. — Athaenara 04:36, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Glkanter (talk) 06:18, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
You are welcome :-)   Athaenara 07:46, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Miscellany 2010

Happy New Year

in re: this edit

Thanks so much and all the best to you in 2010 too! Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:51, 1 January 2010 (UTC)


in re: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorsport

Hi Athaenara. Thanks for archiving WT:MOTOR. It was long overdue. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 02:04, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

You are welcome. — Athaenara 02:23, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

12-hour time

in re: Talk:12-hour clock

Your edit to it's talk page was the largest negative edit I have ever seen. Congratulations! xD Eugeniu B +1 03:46, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Glad you liked it :-)   — Athaenara 04:04, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!

see also: page history

Thank you for taking the time to archive the older threads at Talk:Akron, Ohio. That is something I have been wanting and needing to do for some time but have just not had the time with all the edit problems in the article and other non-Wikipedia events :). I much appreciate your time and efforts! --JonRidinger (talk) 04:25, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

You are welcome. I considered proceeding with the inactive discussions from November through early December 2009, but I decided not to because some of the participants (edit warriors?) may consider them too recent to archive even if they are inactive. — Athaenara 04:40, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


see also: Requests for arbitration/Tang Dynasty, Request for clarification: Tang Dynasty, Tenmei contribs


I have sent you an e-mail. --Tenmei (talk) 23:42, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I was pleased to notice the small-font link you added here. This is not something I've encountered before. It is especially useful in this "ping" context. Thank you for this good idea. As a gesture of appreciation, may I share a rhetorical question from the Analects of Confucius: "Is it not pleasant to learn with a constant perseverance and application?" --Tenmei (talk) 02:43, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. I add such links because an old issue will sometimes re-arise weeks, months, or years later, looking familiar but causing me to wonder what the heck it was about. The links help abbreviate the time I spend wondering, particularly in talk archives. — Athaenara 07:28, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


see also: Talk:Archaeoastronomy and Talk:Archaeoastronomy/Archive 2 page histories

I noticed you recently archived Talk:Archaeoastronomy, for which thanks. I do have problems, however, with your removal of all the past discussion. The default for MiszaBot, which I've used occasionally, is to leave the last 2 topics on the page, no matter how old they are. That seems better than leaving the appearance of a naked talk page. --SteveMcCluskey (talk) 23:38, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, that's an unusual complaint. Should the inactive "ethnoastronomy" (18 September–6 October 2009) and "Don't forget-- astronomy is hard science" (28 October–3 November 2009) discussions be returned to the active talk page from Talk:Archaeoastronomy/Archive 2? — Athaenara 23:53, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
I'd say yes. A principal reason for talk pages is to inform new editors of issues that have already been discussed and resolved concerning the article. The principle reason for archiving is when the talk page gets too long to be read conveniently. The talk page guideline suggests 50 topics (which seems a lot) or 32 KB (which seems inconsistently small, since many discussions get into the 10s of KB). --SteveMcCluskey (talk) 03:04, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 Done. — Athaenara 10:27, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks --SteveMcCluskey (talk) 14:04, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
You are welcome, and thank you as well: your comments have made me more sensitive to talk page expectations. — Athaenara 14:07, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for archiving

see also: WT:CORP and its Archive 5 page histories

Modest Barnstar.png The Modest Barnstar
Thanks for archiving the stale discussions at Wikipedia talk:Notability (organizations and companies). WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:32, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
You are welcome, and thanks for the star. – Athaenara 20:48, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

apparently something to do with this

Thank you for your kindness. Please also consider this, and the Shinseki, Wise, and Darolles references here which I have reason to believe may be particularly upsetting to the de facto hegemony. (talk) 16:16, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for defaultsort

in re: DEFAULTSORT for Wahlberg and other Swedish painters

Thanks for defaultsorting my articles. I always seem to forget that. :-) Theleftorium 10:47, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

You are welcome. I noticed a few in the category after reading the Alfred Wahlberg article among the {{DYK}} items and followed through. – Athaenara 22:00, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

New reflist format

in re: reference system updated and list-defined references

Is there a way to make this have 2 columns? -- Cirt (talk) 23:54, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Template:Reflist#Columns says that {{reflist|2}} will do that (with {{reflist|3}} for three). I've seen that syntax used in quite a few articles but (whether it's just my browser or it's broken) I have never seen any citations actually displayed in columns on Wikipedia. – Athaenara 00:10, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
That worked. Thanks very much! ;) -- Cirt (talk) 00:14, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
You are welcome :-) Athaenara 00:46, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
If I may butt in here: columnization doesn't work under Internet Explorer. I believe all other major browsers see it properly. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:42, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
The template page says that columns work only for "Mozilla Firefox and other Gecko-based browsers" (I use Safari). – Athaenara 07:25, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Automatic signing

see also: Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2010 May 22#Template:NoAutosign

  — Jeff G. ツ 02:38, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Noindex on userfied articles

Is it necessary to put the noindex magic word on articles which have been userfied to a user page subpage and removed from mainspace, or is that just belt–and–suspenders? I've noted that you do it. Best regards, TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 14:18, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Apparently I should use __NOINDEX__ instead of {{NOINDEX}} because the latter is deprecated. At any rate, I've used it on user subpages which have spam issues. – Athaenara 21:21, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
I was confused, so thanks for the clarification. — TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 13:46, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Just saying hey

Hey you. How are things? Just wanted to touch base and say I am alive. Soundvisions1 (talk) 15:08, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Good, thanks. It's been a long time since I've seen your username, what's up? – Athaenara 02:11, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Wildhartlivie/Stuff (2nd nomination)

see also: page history, Mfd page history and User:Rossrs/Informal mediation/User:Jack Merridew and User:Wildhartlivie

fyi. Jack Merridew 05:42, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi. Please note my request here. I would like for that page to be restored back to this version. Could you possibly do that? Jack Merridew was completely out of line to revert my proper blanking, since it was per WP:UP#POLEMIC. Wildhartlivie (talk) 11:15, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Banned editor stalking an admin

Don't know if this anon IP is joking but in this DIFF, it claims to be a banned user on PM1061's talkpage. ----moreno oso (talk) 05:12, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Whoops, no worries. Looks like another admin blocked him because of a post elsewhere. ----moreno oso (talk) 05:14, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Revision deletion

see also: Wikipedia:Revision deletion#Criteria for redaction

Could you look at this DIFF to see if it qualifies for revision deletion? TIA ----moreno oso (talk) 02:26, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

It fits the second item in the criteria list, but I haven't done any, nor have I been involved in discussions about them, so I'm reluctant to take it on myself. – Athaenara 02:55, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
I'll ask Materialscientist. ----moreno oso (talk) 02:56, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

List of legally mononymous people

You may be interested in List of legally mononymous people, and helping to expand it. Thanks, Sai Emrys ¿? 19:21, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Your opinion please!

Hey, I based two templates off an idea, or the concept of what I seen when you replied to my posting on your talk page. Do you think they will have any use as a template in the mainspace?
Thanks alot! --WolfnixTalk • 06:42, 15 September 2010 (UTC) If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} or {{Whisper Back}} message on my talk page.

Pages in question!


I don't know about it's broader utility but you can certainly use it. I originally came up with that syntax as an easy and brief way to link information which, at a later time when I might be checking archives, would clarify issues under discussion. – Athaenara 01:00, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

A request

in re: File:The Proposal.jpg (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs); see also: user Corey.7.11.1992 (talk · contribs)

Hi Athaenara, I have a request. Can you delete this file, it is not used in any article because I have sent a better version, so there is reason to be deleted. If you can do that I would be very grateful to you. Thank you in advance. - InfamousPrince (talk) 12:33, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Happy Athaenara's Day!

Featured article star.svg

Athaenara has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian,
so I've officially declared today as Athaenara's Day!
For being a great person and awesome Wikipedian,
enjoy being the star of the day, Athaenara!

Signed, Neutralhomer

A record of your Day will always be kept here.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, click here. Have a Great Day...NeutralhomerTalk • 05:26, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

The above is on behalf of User:Rlevse. - NeutralhomerTalk • 05:27, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. – Athaenara 06:56, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

urban poverty

urban poverty is strictly different from poverty? why not separate article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:43, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Why not suggest it on Talk:Poverty? – Athaenara 06:46, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Would you mind RevDel'ing a blatant attack on Moron (psychology)?

Hi, I saw you were online, so I thought I might make a request. An IP address inserted a vandalism edit into Moron (psychology), and the edit summary used a living person's name. ("An example of a moron is [name redacted]".) Would you mind using revision deletion to remove the edit summary/edit? Reaper Eternal (talk) 03:36, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Gone. Courcelles 03:39, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! Reaper Eternal (talk) 03:39, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Good lord, that article is a disaster. Semi'ed indef, as the same kind of thing was about the only edits it ever gets. Not really surprising, but still disappointing. Courcelles 03:59, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Well done, and fast *dusts hands* and I see that other editors watching my page can save me a lot of work! – Athaenara 04:10, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Don't get used to that kind of service, missy! (That headline is pretty much a clarion call to whichever admin sees it first.) Courcelles 04:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Tossing this your way

in re: File:AGyHM-P Gala Dinner.jpg (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
see also: User talk:Explicit/Archive 34#Passing this on

Do you want to delete this one: File:AGyHM-P Gala Dinner.jpg? See also my talk page from October where I explained why the image was non-free. I didn't notice until the other day they had reverted/rollback the deletion tag. Thanks. Soundvisions1 (talk) 06:18, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

I can't determine the validity of a month-old {{di-no fair use rationale}} tag as I've had little experience with such controversies and would rather not get involved in this one. I think it would have been preferable to hold the discussion on the file talk page. – Athaenara 22:40, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
No prob. The uploader actually came to me and asked a question, and I had no idea they had reverted tags until the other day. Soundvisions1 (talk) 00:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Help nominating an article for deletion

in re: Benjamin Lemaire (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hi, could you help me with the deletion procedure as I am not familiar with it. The article is a hoax and there is a misuse of the references. I have seen a tweet about the hoax. Note that the article does not existe in french! The article is Benjamin Lemaire Moez talk 02:38, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Do not create hoaxes#Dealing with hoaxes has more than I knew, so I'll simply direct you there and hope it's a help. – Athaenara 03:09, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
TY Moez talk 15:57, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Miscellany 2011

Happy New Year

and sorry for dumping all that lot on the admins. I was having a clearout of my watchlist, and wondering why I was watching some of the things I found there... Anyway, please accept a virtual glass of Calvados to match the real one I'm sipping here. Thanks for your work. Peridon (talk) 00:16, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

You are welcome, thanks for the treat (flaming a bit of the brandy on apple pie, topping with ice cream), and happy New Year to you as well. – Athaenara 00:27, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
"Why do you want to deleted my article? I just want to share the information with others, not to promote my company product. So, please don't delete my article." - Do they really mean it, or just expect us to believe they are benefactors of humanity? 8-| Peridon (talk) 00:20, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Grief sheds some light on that... – Athaenara 00:27, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
Haven't seen that one before. Like it. Wish I'd written it. Peridon (talk) 00:35, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Happy 2011

Artsy Christmas Tree.jpg <font=3> Happy Holidays, Happy New Year, and all the best in 2011! Ruhrfisch ><>°° 01:19, 1 January 2011 (UTC) Buttonwood Bridge Panorama 1.jpg
Ruhrfisch, long time no see! Best of 2011 to you! – Athaenara 05:45, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks and Happy New Year

Hi, Athaenara. I've noticed that every time I request deletion of one of my user pages, you're always the one who takes care of it. (I like to delete my sandboxes after I put an article in mainspace because I don't want people to see my editing when it's just for my own use, since it's so choppy and sloppy, without proper edit summaries.) So, I just wanted to thank you for being my own personal cleanup crew! Also note: believe it or not, I continue to monitor for our old M & C vandal, even though I haven't discovered any activity in that respect for a very long time. Happy New Year! MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 21:23, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

You're certainly welcome (I check CAT:USD rather frequently because such deletions are relatively uncontroversial) and the M&C crew does seem to have moved on (to other hoaxes? I hope not). Happy 2011! – Athaenara 00:00, 4 January 2011 (UTC)


Civility barnstar.png Civility Award
You have been very helpful and are a pleasure to work with. Schmausschmaus (talk) 12:54, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Thank you! – Athaenara 02:22, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Bilzin Sumberg

Altered speedy deletion rationale

Hello Athaenara. I am just letting you know that I deleted Bilzin Sumberg, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, under a different criterion from the one you provided, which doesn't fit the page in question. Thank you. GedUK  13:41, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Another editor tagged the page {{db-corp}}, I added {{db-spam}}. It was written by an single-purpose account, apparently to promote it (sandbox version). – Athaenara 15:27, 16 January 2011 (UTC)


in re: this edit

Apologies for not noticing this was a changed redirect! CheersTeapotgeorgeTalk 22:39, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

No problem! – Athaenara 00:00, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Your WikiHeroine award


Dear Athaenara,

Congratulations! As for being a great and helpful contributor to this project, you have been identified as a Heroine of Wikipedia. Thanks alot for all your good and helpful work to this project.

Your username has appeared on this list

Good luck and happy editing.

Lord Porchcrop POWER 08:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

For a userbox, you can use {{User:Porchcrop/Identified WikiHero}}. Lord Porchcrop POWER 08:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Wow, I'm in good company there! Thanks! – Athaenara 09:15, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Incubation project

in re: Wikipedia talk:Wiki Guides/New pages#Who can participate in this project

I seem to recall that you were heavily involved in the formation of the Incubation project. You might be interested in this: Wikipedia_talk:Article_Incubator#Use_of_incubation_outside_stated_guidelines. Best regards, TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 17:53, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't involved in that, actually. – Athaenara 02:27, 1 April 2011 (UTC)


see also: user Factlover1 (talk) ( and Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive686#Factlover1

Athaenara, I saw from the block log that you were active and wondered if you could give me some advice. An editor posted a request at EAR and I thought zie replies to other editors were inappropriate. I wrote a response and at the end gave a short warning. I know in retrospect that I should have posted on the user's talk page and that I was condescending in my response, but anyway, zie replied to me with a lengthy post including many variations on my name and the most creative representation of "asshole" in nonalphanumeric characters that I've ever seen. I'm not sure what to do. It seems that I should not block this editor myself, because I was the subject of an attack and it seems silly to post on ANI. Danger (talk) 02:49, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

I don't see any reason not to post on ANI about it. (BTW, it can't have been the block log: I haven't blocked anyone since March 10.) – Athaenara 03:40, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
Deletion log. I can English. --Danger (talk) 03:50, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
Thought so (over 150 F8s today). – Athaenara 03:53, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
Yikes. I hope you have a well earned excellent weekend. Danger (talk) 04:40, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks :-) Athaenara 04:41, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to take part in a study

I am a Wikipedian, who is studying the phenomenon on Wikipedia. I need your help to conduct my research on about understanding "Motivation of Wikipedia contributors." I would like to invite you to Main Study. Please give me your valuable time, which estimates about 20 minutes. I chose you as a English Wikipedia user who made edits recently through the RecentChange page. Refer to the first page in the online survey form for more information on the study and me.cooldenny (talk) 01:43, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Hey there

Hey there Athaenara, A user: GeauxBreaux (talk · contribs) just violated the 3RR. Just wondering if you could block him accordingly. mauchoeagle (c) 20:54, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

I posted a {{Uw-3rr}} for him (diff). – Athaenara 21:06, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Martin Stern for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Martin Stern is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Martin Stern until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Wilbysuffolk talk 05:58, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Timeline of USA Flags

in re: this edit (page history)

I switched it to CSD A3, because there isn't any content, just very, very tiny pictures that one can not see to begin with. Plus, the images aren't licensed to be on that page anyway. - NeutralhomerTalk • 23:21, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

{{Proposed deletion}} would be kinder, and I recommend it. – Athaenara 23:27, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
I could, but I feel it is best dealt with quickly, per WP:DENY. The user has already created a hoax article at WOTE - TV and has vandalized some other articles previously, so it doesn't seem they are here to edit constructively. - NeutralhomerTalk • 23:36, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Retirement notice

in re: User talk:Crazymonkey1123/Archives/Archive 2#retirement

A user that you might know, Crazymonkey1123, has opened a discussion on his talk page regarding his possibility of retiring from Wikipedia. You are welcome to go and participate in the discussion. Crazymonkey1123 public (talk) 23:36, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Block request

Could you please block Deleon98 (talk · contribs) indefinitely, I reported him to AIV half an hour ago, but he has not been blocked. He has been adding factual errors, BLP issues and vandalizing those page, thank you. ۞ Tbhotch & (ↄ), Problems with my English? 06:14, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Blocked by Connormah about half an hour ago. – Athaenara 07:02, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


see also: User talk:Blackout0189#File:Jon-bernthal-1.jpg

Hello Athaenara. Could you speedy delete this copyvio image? Here Gage Skidmore has confirmed that he is not the author of the photograph. Thank you. --RanZag (talk) 13:38, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I was preparing to delete it per Commons:User talk:Gage#Jon-bernthal-1.jpg and 13:38, 15 June 2011 (UTC) message from RanZag on my talk page but after seeing diffs such as this I think you should ask the uploader Blackout0189 what's up with it. – Athaenara 21:00, 15 June 2011 (UTC)


I am concerned at the contributions of this person - rapid changes to many articles --Greenmaven (talk) 10:23, 30 June 2011 (UTC) I have checked a few - maybe my concern is unjustified --Greenmaven (talk) 10:29, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Bvrino seems to add {{France topics}} to appropriate pages. – Athaenara 01:53, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Archiving system

Just come to comment on your talk page archiving system; it is rather complicated and difficult to navigate and it took me a few minutes to find an old post. May I suggest just using a date-based one archived by a bot to organise them instead? Rcsprinter (talk) 13:44, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Ironically, I started out with the plain system you suggest. In my second year here I began reorganizing it by topic because I was finding it increasingly difficult to find what I was looking for myself. I'm sorry you found the result difficult to navigate. – Athaenara 22:51, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Oh, right. Well, personally, I like to just find it by date, because then you know where it is definitely going to be, instead of having to look through a couple of possible topics first. Rcsprinter (talk) 11:47, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


in re: Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive82#Tom Cruise Purple (Talk:Tom Cruise Purple/Archive 1)
see also: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Cirt (talk) and Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Cirt and Jayen466

I've referred to an action you took some while ago, with regard to the Tom Cruise Purple article, in a discussion here. Cheers, --JN466 06:38, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. – Athaenara 07:02, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Just being friendly

I know how working hard on Wikipedia can build up an appetite, so I hope this cookie will make your day. :) SwisterTwister talk 07:43, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. – Athaenara 08:53, 24 July 2011 (UTC)


hi, i thought i could change the name of my user page, can i take it back? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:45, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

What page are you asking about? – Athaenara 21:37, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Are you an Admin?

Are you an administrator on Wikipedia? Hehe1209 (talk) 04:16, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Why do you ask? – Athaenara 05:44, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Just some thanks for random stuff. jorgenev 18:31, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

You are welcome, thanks for the star. – Athaenara 00:25, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Please help revert article

In the article Trial and conviction of Arne Treholt, I have made a mistake. My version at 14.30 PM today, is correct. The later version of mine, is not correctly formatted. Can someone please help, and revert to version of 14.30 PM? --BustingInflatedEgos (talk) 14:58, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

 Done (see page history). – Athaenara 21:18, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Your removal of {{Db-g7}} from File:PMKM chapter1 cover.png

In case you didn't know, User:Feinoha is another account owned by me. Vivio TestarossaTalk 01:23, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have read as far down as the "I am a sockpuppet of" template rather than the cursory check I gave it. – Athaenara 09:19, 4 September 2011 (UTC)


Could you move WXNB to WXBN over the redirect that is there, please? Thanks. - NeutralhomerTalk • 21:41, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Acroterion took care of it for me. Thanks though. :) - NeutralhomerTalk • 21:56, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

please help

hi, Can admins remove edit summary without reversing the edit itself?--WineHouse (talk) 22:00, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

WineHouse (talk · contribs)
Please see the reply given here. Trafford09 (talk) 00:58, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Ronald William Turner

in re: Ronald William Turner (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)


If you are a super-alert person, the subject line should tip you off as to my problem with this article.

In the process of posting this hero's biography, I came to the embarrassing realization that sometime in the research/writing process, I changed him into William Ronald Turner. Because I will have to revisit the entirety of my research to weed any insertions of the wrong Turner, with resultant rewriting, I withdrew the article with the aim of reposting it when it has undergone massive correction. What will I have to do to repost it after correction?

Georgejdorner (talk) 03:58, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

If you're working on it in your userspace, you can move the page to the proper article title when it's ready for mainspace. – Athaenara 21:59, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Persistent vandalism

Please take a look at the recent editing of User:Demkola12 (See [5]) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack Greenmaven (talkcontribs) 21:30, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Seems to have stopped after your warning on User talk:Demkola12. – Athaenara 10:48, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I will watch his contributions --Greenmaven (talk) 23:04, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Miscellany 2012-16

Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Fæ

see also: Wikipedia Signpost/2012-05-28/Arbitration report

A request for comments has been opened on administrator User:Fæ. You are being notified due to your prior participation in ANI, RfA, or RfC discussions regarding this user. Thank you, MadmanBot (talk) 20:03, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Please halt user

Please tell or stop User Special:Contributions/ (talk) and User: Special:Contributions/ (talk) (the same user) to stop vandalizing the Chinese zodiac signs, Rat, Ox, Tiger, Rabbit, Dragon, Snake, Horse, Goat, Monkey, Rooster, Dog and Pig. I keep fixing the problem, but the user believes this is a game, please at least try to warn the user or stop the user from taking chances on reviewing the user's contributions, please halt the person's actions. I appreciate your concern.-- (talk) 01:18, 11 February 2012

misleading photo

i was watching the manuel zelaya article, when i saw the image of the people that protested against him i notices that it had some incongruence, the image file name is ( im new in this wiki editing stuff but i noticed you edited that article or image... see it for yourself the image is tricked, some people look to small and others to big, its kind of superpositioning of images... the image porpouse is to mislead public opinion concerning the 2009 coup, i think it should be removed-- (talk) 09:03, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for checking my work

Thanks for fixing the link in the Signpost! I missed that one. –Mabeenot (talk) 05:50, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome! – Athaenara 07:40, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Input request

Hello Athaenara,

I am requesting input from all participants in the discussion from the recent Signpost article on sexism in Wikipedia for a proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/National teams#Proposed change: consistency in article title gendering. Thank you in advance for any contributions to the discussion. Dkreisst (talk) 21:14, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Please check edits to Mark Levin with respect to NPOV

I am concerned about the neutrality of editor Taxi502 --Greenmaven (talk) 02:14, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Henry Gee

Please renew the protection of the page Henry Gee. See its talk page for details. -- (talk) 23:26, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Your assistance please

Could you please userify Flyway Film Festival? Geo Swan (talk) 08:34, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Since your contribution history showed you hadn't logged on in a couple of weeks I made a request at WP:REFUND. Geo Swan (talk) 14:11, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

You have a mime

See [[6]] Hell in a Bucket (talk) 15:17, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

  • That would be a "mimic", HIAB. Or a "doppelgänger", if you will. ;-) Kurtis (talk) 19:49, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Sorry for my delay in replying (this is my first visit to Wikipedia since early March). The brief discussion currently located in WP:ANI/Archive833 was initiated by a single-purpose and now properly blocked user "AthaenaraEmergencyAccount" who claimed "My e-mail has been hacked by someone and now I cannot log into my Wikipedia admin account" among other things. Thank you HIAB for the alert, thank you Kurtis for the linguistic bit, and TONS of thanks with hearts and butterflies and barnstars to LFaraone for investigating and blocking! – Athaenara 02:14, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment

Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. – Athaenara 22:13, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Calliope (music)

Your unsourced addition to Calliope (music) is being disputed. Please add your views to the discussion in the aforelinked talk page section. Thanks. -- (talk) 17:37, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Done. – Athaenara 17:05, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of New York Press Club

If this is the first article that you have created, you may want to read the guide to writing your first article.

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A tag has been placed on New York Press Club, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator. Dr. Fleischman (talk) 19:48, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

It's always nice to be informed of things, and you could have informed yourself as well: I've created a couple of dozen articles (none of them spam), worked with other editors and admins to counter conflict of interest editing and advertising/promotion, and this spam removal in May 2007 was my sole edit to the New York Press Club article. – Athaenara 01:33, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

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