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Thank you for the warm welcome Doug! We may have our tensions on a peculiar page, but that's just one thing. I really do enjoy Wikipedia and what is has offered and what it continues to give. I thank you for the links and trying to help a fellow Wikipedia! Thank you Doug! :) Aviartm (talk) 23:02, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

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Antifaschistische Aktion[edit]

That is a German group and we've got an article on it. Antifa USA is a movement, not an organisation or group, so can't have an official logo. Please revert, Doug Weller talk 05:50, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

What matters are reliable sources, and you don't seem to have them. I repeat, there's no official logo because there's no organisation. Whether some people use flags, etc is irrelevant unless it becomes significantly reported in the media. Doug Weller talk 16:52, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

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Antifa (United States)[edit]

Rather than keep on reverting eachother in Antifa (United States) I have made a section on Talk:Antifa (United States) where this can be discussed. I think we might be using the wrong infobox type so please don't feel obliged to fill in all the parameters when some of them clearly do not apply to something that is not a political party or even an organisation at all. We can discuss the specific parameters, and the wider issue of which type of infobox to use, if you like. I've already had my say. If you say why you think that the claim of an international affiliation is justified by the sources (and/or anything else you feel arises from this or the infobox more generally) then maybe we can see what some other people think and take it from there. --DanielRigal (talk) 22:28, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

You have no consensus for your edit, please self revert and discuss this on the talk page, also bear in mind WP:3RR Darkness Shines (talk) 21:08, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Wikilinks[edit]

Please read WP:Overlink. For instance, you are linking "Everyday words understood by most readers in context" such as "law" and "information". I'm not the only editor who has noticed this. Doug Weller talk 12:42, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Antifa United States - sources[edit]

I see that although only three editors have reverted you, another has asked you to revert yourself. So that's 4 not happy with your edits and yet you singled me out to complain to and haven't yet thought to ask why people are disagreeing with you.

The sources I have read say that Antifaschistische Aktion - particularly its actions during the Weimar Republic, which I remind you was about 3 generations ago. It's an inspiration and perhaps an intellectual heritage for some, but probably not most although that is of course speculation. Still, it's a movement and movements tend to attract people who are more interested in the 'now' then what came before in another country.

Then there's the fact that Antifaschistische Aktion doesn't exist anymore and when it did it was part of the German Communist Party. Antifa movements today are not part of any Communist party.

Those are facts, but in a sense that's irrelevant. What matters is that we follow the policy at WP:VERIFY and can back any text with sources that meet WP:RS. You haven't even tried to do that, just argued that you are right. That's why you keep getting reverted.

I agree that they often use Black bloc tactics and wear black. But not just black. And logos vary, eg [https://twitter.com/berkeleyantifa this one. It's a movement so it is impossible for it to have anything official.

Which is why we rely on sources. And rarely just one source, usually we need multiple sources.

As for the infobox, there is very little that should go into it as this isn't an organisation. Doug Weller talk 15:55, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Like I have stated previously, you are in my notifications box the most, that is why I disregard others. Overwhelmingly, they wear Black. That is why their "colors" os Black. And yes, it is old history, but Antifaschistische Aktion is the European counterpart from the United States essentially? Yes?
No. It's an organisation not a movement. It has no formal relationship as that's impossible. But all of that is my observation from reading sources, and we need actual sources to make the links you make. WP:VERIFY isn't optional. Doug Weller talk 17:55, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
And really this discussion needs to be on the talk page, with your sources. Doug Weller talk 19:33, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
Then why would Antifa call themselves "Antifa" them? Seems extraordinarily similar!

August 2017[edit]

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Read WP:MINOR. Your edits should not be marked as minor Meters (talk) 00:13, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

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What page is this? Antifa? @Doug Aviartm (talk) 19:17, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
Not a specific page but the US antifa page would be covered. Trump certainly is and is under scrutiny so it's important new editors know about this. Doug Weller talk 19:31, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
Ok. But what this have to do with Trump now? Aviartm (talk) 19:43, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

August 2017[edit]

Please stop making disruptive edits, as you did at Junto (club).

If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. That poorly written edit does not belong in the article, let alone in the lede. Restoring it as a minor edit after it had already been removed once is disruptive. Read WP:BRD and take it to the article talk page if you insist. Meters (talk) 22:37, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Stop icon You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Benjamin Franklin. Stop restoring questionable, contested content as minor edits. Discuss it or leave it alone. Meters (talk) 22:43, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

links to dab pages[edit]

Hi there. Please try to avoid linking to disambiguation pages, like you did in this edit. It just adds work to other editor to disambiguate it. --Muhandes (talk) 18:50, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

My apologies Muhandes. I made the edit on my iPhone, I would've done a better job, but linking pages to a particular one is quite limited on mobile unless I do not know some other method.
Since the overwhelming majority of the wikilinks you insert are contrary to WP:OVERLINK, it would be best not to do it - at all, let alone on a device that means they don't even point to the right place. Pinkbeast (talk) 06:56, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
Indeed Pinkbeast, but if you look at all the various links that I did connect but were inverted, there are hundreds of people's wikipedia that have that generic linking, so I figured I would just continue to do that.
Well, figure otherwise. It's against policy, as you've been told _and_ it's actively damaging when you get it wrong, as you often do. Pinkbeast (talk) 20:40, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
Then why are so many pages linked to even very generic pages? The first sentence of any person usually has words linked. I am just doing that. Aviartm (talk) 20:45, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
Read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS; if you find other pages that break WP:OVERLINK, the answer is fix them (or don't, please, since you tend to make a mess which other people then have to clean up), not to make other pages break that policy too. Why are they like that to begin with? Because of people like you who don't read policy even when it's clearly linked on their talk page and has been for days. Pinkbeast (talk) 21:13, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
Good point. But if there are hundreds, if not thousands of common/popular Wikipedia pages that "break" the overlinking policy, then why are they not reverted? Aviartm (talk) 21:17, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
It doesn't matter why, there are probably a multitude of reasons and Pinkbeast has already commented on your question. The important thing here is that you help the project by not doing it. Find something else to do. Doug Weller talk 09:30, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
Oof. But what I was trying to address was that I was connecting links that other pages already have similar liked connected links. Aviartm (talk) 13:02, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
Yes, we know, you have addressed that ad nauseam. Pinkbeast (talk) 15:43, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

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Ok. I did not see the talk page at the time. Understandable. Aviartm (talk) 03:14, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I've not been checking Aviartm's edits in detail recently. While they have graduated from vandalism, they still love to mangle a page with a generic edit summary. I gather this was about their endemic Caps Disease? Pinkbeast (talk) 01:11, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
@Pinkbeast I did not read the talk pages at the time, that's why an edit of mine have been reverted. That is understandable, don't you agree? Aviartm (talk) 03:14, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

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Nomination of Special Counsel counter report for deletion[edit]

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Grammar/punctuation "fixes"[edit]

Ideally, I'd like it if you stopped doing these. You rarely improve matters and often make them worse, because your grasp of punctuation is so poor.

However, since I know you won't do that, please at least refrain from, as here, putting quotation marks around something that is not actually a quote from anywhere. Pinkbeast (talk) 01:17, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

At least in regards to my most recent changes on that page, it was a small one. My apologies. Aviartm (talk) 02:35, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

This is absolutely typical. You take a sentence with correctly positioned commas and move one to the wrong place. Since you have no idea how to punctuate English, please refrain from changing punctuation.

This edit is another case where you've made a page worse by trying to "fix" it. Most of that whitespace did nothing; the rest was intended to indent entries in the tables. That isn't the way to do it, but the answer to that isn't to remove the information altogether. Pinkbeast (talk) 05:27, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

I checked the Baim wiki, and I checked my edits to your edits side by side and one by one and I do not see what is the issue...? The comma existed then and now.
And in regards to the Economy of Guba, I found the spacing quite excessive in the tables and in the sentences. I just removed the majority of it. And that was odd. When I was editing it, there was spacing for the indentions I'm sure but I guess that was not so when I published. I suppose a schematics issue? (E:Aviartm (talk) 05:46, 13 December 2018 (UTC))
The comma's in a different place. Specifically, it was in the right place, between "to" and "more"; then you moved it to be between "contributor" and "to". Of course this lack of attention to detail is completely typical of your editing - you indent talk page posts essentially at random, you fail to sign your edits, and in spite of the fact that your attention has been drawn specifically to it, you can't even check a diff closely enough to see what has changed.
The majority of the spacing didn't do anything at all. You didn't notice that, of course, because you never check anything. I have no idea what you mean by "a schematics issue"; the issue is that you removed it without thinking "why is it here?" or considering how to convey the information it was intended to convey. Pinkbeast (talk) 05:45, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
I see. Rookie mistake. And when it comes to indentions (:), says to do so if there is much text. But in this regard, hopefully not. And I knew what the indentions were trying to convey. But genuinely speaking, there were indentions in my edit screen prior to publishing. Aviartm (talk) 05:53, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
What it actually says to do is to have one more : than what you are replying to; not a number selected at random. Why didn't you preview the edit to check the actual effect? (More to the point, please will you agree not to edit punctuation until you know how to punctuate English?) Pinkbeast (talk) 17:45, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
If it is to add another ":" every time, I must say, I have been doing that. When I saw indentions in the tables, I presumed they would be published the way I saw them, but as I previously noted, that was not the case. I will try to be more alert in those regards.
No, you haven't. That is not even remotely true. In this discussion alone I have fixed your indentation more than once. Pinkbeast (talk) 18:04, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
Here, probably but I was referring throughout time. Aviartm (talk) 18:08, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
And "through time" you have been getting it wrong, just like everything else that needs attention to detail. So, please don't try and do things that demand attention to detail. Pinkbeast (talk) 18:25, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
Hmmmmm... I know that I have used ":" consistently before. Occasional mishaps. Aviartm (talk) 18:35, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
Not occasional. You do it constantly. Pinkbeast (talk) 23:36, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
[maybe...] Aviartm (talk) 00:27, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
Your very first comment there is misindented. And, guess what, you made a mess of that link, because you never check your work. Pinkbeast (talk) 06:20, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
Ok but you get my point. Aviartm (talk) 01:07, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
Not unless your point was that even when you try to produce an example of you getting something right, it turns out to be an example of you getting it wrong, and that - entirely typically - you also make a mess of the link and don't notice because you don't check anything you do.
Perhaps you get my point; please don't try and do fine detail stuff when you are incapable of getting it right. Pinkbeast (talk) 04:05, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
Well, you got the point. And I did notice that the link was not working and I am not sure why. That is one area in which I wish to improve. Aviartm (talk) 04:24, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

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@Bri: Hello, thank you for the notice? I checked my edits and such and that was not me? I edit through my account only. I am not sure how I *might've* edited out of my account? Can you clarify if possible? Thank you! Aviartm (talk) 15:03, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

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Nomination of Special Counsel counter report for deletion[edit]

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Note about signatures[edit]

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I know. Just forgot. Happens to all of us time to time. Aviartm (talk) 00:17, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
Ok. Since you did it at least twice in that thread, it seemed more likely you weren't aware. No offense intended. ―Mandruss  00:19, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
That's fine, lol. After I first initially forgot to add the signatures, I added my signature with the following edit afterwards. Aviartm (talk) 00:39, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

A couple polite suggestions[edit]

Hi there. I noticed that you have become involved in reverting vandalism recently. You may find it useful to enable Twinkle, a tool that assists with anti-vandalism and other related activities. This page explains how to enable it on your account (check the box on the gadgets section of your preferences page) and use it to revert vandalism.

It is also good practice to leave a warning on a user's talk page after reverting their edit which provides an explanation of why you reverted their edit. This page lists various warning templates that are available for this purpose. Twinkle also allows you to easily select and leave a warning template on a user's talk page.

Keep up the vandal fighting! Regards, EclipseDude (Chase Totality) 01:10, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

EclipseDude Thanks! Will do! Aviartm (talk) 01:11, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
EclipseDude Is there a way to not have the User's talk page come up when I just do a normal rollback? Aviartm (talk) 01:35, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
I think you can change that in the Twinkle preferences page under the "Revert and rollback" section. It does that by default so you can leave a warning template for the user you are reverting. EclipseDude (Chase Totality) 01:53, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
EclipseDude Thank you! It worked! :)

Gerald Ford[edit]

I'm still curious. What exactly WERE you expecting me to do to that vandal, considering I'm not an admin, I'd already reported him to AIV, and RPPs had already been made? Thegreatluigi (talk) 02:13, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Thegreatluigi Not sure. I think at the time, I did not notice your message of "final warning" on the user's talk page until after the fact. I tried to report him too but stated there was already a report, which was by you. So... Aviartm (talk) 02:16, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Believe me, I wish I could have blocked him myself instead of waiting for an admin. Also, to be honest, in a case like this, the "final warning" tag probably wasn't necessary anyway, since it was blatant block evasion. I only put it on to make absolutely certain. Thegreatluigi (talk) 02:20, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, I would have too if I had the ability. I think the tag was warranted because he made like 50 vandal-motivated edits and reverted our good edits. Aviartm (talk) 02:22, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Erm, what I meant was, in really blatant cases like this, it's fine to report that sort of user to AIV with zero warnings. As someone on here once told me, "WP:AGF is not a suicide pact". Thegreatluigi (talk) 02:31, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Makes sense. Keep fighting against vandalism and thank you for your efforts! Aviartm (talk) 02:32, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Colorado Democratic Party Ideology revert[edit]

Hey, there's an ongoing discussion on that article page and you didn't provide a citation. That's vandalism. 2600:1700:7A51:10B0:F0AD:723C:E915:D034 (talk) 03:29, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello, reverting your edit is not vandalism. Frankly, if you provide some citations that prove your edit, we might not revert your edit then. Issues like these should be taken to the Talk page of the Article., not on Userpages. Aviartm (talk) 03:32, 29 March 2019 (UTC)


The ideology section has no citation or reference. It should be removed since it has no reference supporting it. I already created a discussion on that articles talk about the matter and you ignored it. I'll just be reporting this.

2600:1700:7A51:10B0:F0AD:723C:E915:D034 (talk) 03:42, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
No because hundreds of states political parties wikis do not have citations by their ideology. Aviartm (talk) 03:43, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

What do you mean? If hundreds of states political parties wiki articles have uncited ideology sections then go ahead and start tagging them 'citation needed' or remove it. Just because the section is there doesn't mean it's cited, referenced, or deserves to be on Wikipedia. It could all just be a bunch of misinformation, have you considered that? 2600:1700:7A51:10B0:F0AD:723C:E915:D034 (talk) 04:02, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Of course there is a possibility that it is misinformation but so far you have not offered any compelling evidence as to why it is not Liberalism, Modern Liberalism, or Progressivism. And please follow Wikipedia:TPG if you are to continue talking here. You should bring these issues with the corresponding pages, not user talkpages. Aviartm (talk) 04:05, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

I started a talk section on that article back in February. You're the one that ignored it. So of course I brought the discussion here. 2600:1700:7A51:10B0:F0AD:723C:E915:D034 (talk) 04:16, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

As Meters mentioned, I have only made one edit on that page ever. And if you continue to not follow Wikipedia:TPG, I am going to ask you to abstain from messaging. Only discuss these page issues with the corresponding page. Thanks. Aviartm (talk) 04:19, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion[edit]

Information icon Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The IP has taken you to 3RR. I've already pointed out that this is clearly not edit warring since you have only made one edit to this article ever. Meters (talk) 04:07, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Meters. I just left you a message there. Aviartm (talk) 04:08, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

\I strongly suggest that you do not restore that section again. Meters (talk) 04:27, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Meters Do you suggest to wait for consensus? Because I've seen other states' political party wikis and they do not have citations by their ideologies. Aviartm (talk) 04:30, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Let's just say that when someone had opened an unjustified 3RR report on your, the worst possible thing you can do is to give them more ammunition. The IP is correct that the claim is not sourced.. It really does not matter if other political articles don't source those kinds of claims. I don't usually do American politics, but I'm inclined to think that the request for a source is reasonable. Wait and see what other editors say.. Meters (talk) 04:39, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Fair enough. You'll see I just sent you a message. Aviartm (talk) 04:42, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
In fact, since you were recently warned about discretionary sanctions on American politics post 1932, your second undo was a violation. I suggest that you undo yourself. Meters (talk) 05:06, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Meters I don't understand. Can you explain? Since, my edit got reverted or undone so the Ideologies section is no longer up to begin with, Aviartm (talk) 05:10, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Ah, another IP showed up and undid you. Too late for you to fix it yourself then. By the way, there's no need to ping me from my own talk page. Meters (talk) 05:14, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
This is getting too weird. There is now 3 IPs spewing out identical messages with the same words. This is not a coincidence. Look at this. Aviartm (talk) 05:24, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Too late tonight or me. I don't even know what page I am on any more. I'll look at this tomorrow. I noticed the second IP and asked if it was the same user. I've given both IP's DS notices so everyone would be on a level playing field, but if the user is hopping IPs then it gets messy. Meters (talk) 05:33, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Alrighty. I sent you my findings and all that. I think the user is hopping IPs. No way in hell that 3 random IPs find each other and say the same thing. Please look at this tomorrow. Aviartm (talk) 05:34, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

March 2019[edit]

Sorry all ~~ JJBullet 20:34, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

I see no justification for this warning. No, the change was not an improvement, but it was obviously a good faith edit to restore to the previous version of the article that had been stable for two months. The editor who undid Aviartm simply pointed out that Pachelbel's Canon is better classified as chamber music than as a song.. Having a third party drop a level 3 warning is not appropriate. Meters (talk) 17:53, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree. When I first saw this notice, I thought it was excessive and true, he is a third party uninvolved. Aviartm (talk) 17:55, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Aubie[edit]

For the same reason we don't list the names of non-notable collegiate athletes, we don't list names of collegiate mascots either. OhNoitsJamie Talk 17:09, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Will keep that in mind. Thanks. Aviartm (talk) 17:11, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Margin of Safety (book) has a new comment[edit]

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I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Margin of Safety (book). Thanks! Nosebagbear (talk) 15:16, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
Nosebagbear Thank you for reviewing my submission. I am not sure whether I can comment where you do so I am going to inquire here but can you clarify how the book fails to reach GNG for books? The author is a significant individual. The book does tailor off of books that have their own pages, etc. Thank you! Aviartm (talk) 17:29, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
@Aviartm: - so the author being notable is completely irrelevant (notability can't be inherited). Books don't usually operate off general notability, but book notability. The usual route there is coverage of the book - which usually means 2 or more in-depth reviews, which the article doesn't currently have. I raised a query as to whether books could become notable as a result of coverage in a non-literary sense (the sources are about them being pirated, not strictly about them as books). If there are some decent reviews I'd suggest adding them to avoid this could be/may be. Nosebagbear (talk) 20:11, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
Nosebagbear So I need to include some reviews from Wikipedia:Reliable sources in the page and then it passes book notability? Aviartm (talk) 23:05, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
Aviartm - so they'd need to cover it in a reasonable amount of depth (c.10+ lines), but yes - RS isn't an exclusive list by any means, but any that are on it would be fine on the reliability front. Nosebagbear (talk) 01:47, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
Nosebagbear Alrighty, I will start doing that. Thank you! :) Aviartm (talk) 04:23, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
Nosebagbear So I've been looking at book reviews and I have found some but I am not sure whether they are of quality. The book reviews do not come from a major source but more so of smaller websites, ran by one individual, or just lesser known websites in general, thus reliability per se cannot be gauged. I was looking at Wikipedia:BOOKCRIT, and the book does succeed at 1, 3, and likely 4. Thoughts? Btw, any word on coverage "in a non-literary sense"? --Aviartm (talk) 17:26, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
@Aviartm: - hi, you're welcome to demonstrate notability by an alternate route - it's usually either harder or unnecessary (i.e, it's usually only simple if there are lots of reviews) - I've never actually seen criterion 4 used, but it's always an option. The current in-article sources don't seem to support 3 - do you mean that the sources you've found elsewhere reach this level? Nosebagbear (talk) 19:05, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
Nosebagbear Actually, reading 3 again, the book might not fulfill but "or other art form", what could this entail by chance? That is pretty broad to say the least. The book most definitely fulfills 1 and possibly 4 but I will have to look into 4. Aviartm (talk) 19:22, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
Aviartm - I suspect it means things like TV series etc Nosebagbear (talk) 19:27, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
Alrighty. I will keep looking for more info so it passes Wikipedia:BOOKCRIT. I'll keep you posted. :) Aviartm (talk) 20:27, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Violation of 3RR at WikiLeaks[edit]

You have now on four occasions within 24 hours removed reliably sourced content and inserted your own obfuscating nonsense about what WikiLeaks did in relation to Seth Rich. You should self-revert immediately. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 04:11, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

So expanding contexts and comments by Julian Assange and Wikileaks itself with RS is now violating RS? Since when did Fox become "unreliable"? If we are going to assume that Fox is bias, we too must assume that all other mainstream outlets are biased as well. Aviartm (talk) 04:22, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
You added a transcript to an interview and then a local Fox News station (literally the same FOX 5 DC station that later published a shoddy story promoting the conspiracy theory). Even the local Fox News station said Assange hinted that Rich was the source. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 04:53, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
That is not an excuse to remove comments by Assange with RS. Every media outlet has reported on conspiracy theories. Does that mean all further reporting by said outlet is now "unreliable" and "fraudulent"? No. Aviartm (talk) 05:06, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
The relevant comments by Assange are already in there, as are RS descriptions of and context behind those comments. You have violated 3RR to remove those RS descriptions and context Snooganssnoogans (talk) 05:15, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
Then why am I having to add them? Because prior, those comments verbatim were not there; that is all I'm adding. Aviartm (talk) 05:19, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
The comments in full are not pertinent. The pertinent part of the comments (that Assange implied Rich was the leaker) was already in there. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 05:21, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
That is the issue. Distorts Wikipedia:NPOV. And adding a comment in its entirety said by Assange is best, which contests "that Assange implied Rich was the leaker", per the comment Assanage said that does not confirm or deny that Seth Rich was the source. Aviartm (talk) 05:25, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
RS say otherwise. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 14:37, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Good Friday[edit]

Please remove the "citation needed" from things in the introduction - a summary - which have a reference in the body. No time to check if any, but usually, the introduction contains ONLY sourced information from below, and therefore doesn't need any citations. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:12, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

HelloGerda Arendt Well, there is no "citation needed" in the lead of the article but in the 'History' section. 'Biblical accounts', which is under 'History' has citations so I am not sure what you are requesting... Aviartm (talk) 17:17, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion contested: Edward John Eyre High School[edit]

Hello Aviartm, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Edward John Eyre High School, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A7 does not apply to schools. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Eastmain (talkcontribs) 02:48, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Eastmain Alrighty, I wasn't too sure but I gave it a shot. Thank you for checking on it! :) Aviartm (talk) 02:51, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Seth Rich section on WikiLeaks page[edit]

Hi again. I'd like to request that you make an official {{rfc}} based on the arguments for keeping the Seth Rich content in WikiLeaks neutral. It appears to me that this is the only way the change is going to be accepted. I only ask that you create it rather than I because you're well-versed on the relevant policies, whereas I'm a relatively new editor. Have a good day. 84percent (talk) 13:10, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello 84percent I did plan on doing that. I'll send you the link if you'd like to review it once I'm completed. Aviartm (talk) 17:45, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

RfC[edit]

Please post two versions of the paragraph with the disputed sentences highlighted and all the sources included so that readers can easily distinguish what precisely is under dispute. See this as an example of how it can be formatted.[1] Snooganssnoogans (talk) 21:07, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Snooganssnoogans How about now? Aviartm (talk) 21:29, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

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ITN recognition for Mueller Report[edit]

Ambox current red.svgOn 19 April 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Mueller Report, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page.

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Great! Thank you Ad Orientem! :) Aviartm (talk) 20:40, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

WP:EW[edit]

Stop altering the introductory sentence on Mueller Report. Removing any reference to Mueller and his investigation in the opening sentence is bad writing, misses important context, and nonsensical. Don't make this change again without discussing it on the talk page. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 21:00, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

As discussed on the proper talk page, Mueller is already mentioned in the lead. Contents should be first, who conducted the investigation afterwards. And it's not WP:EW. Aviartm (talk) 21:18, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
No—the opening sentence is intended to describe what the report is. You are rewriting the introductory sentence as to be misleading; it is not "the official report on Russian interference," it is the official report on Mueller's findings. Wikieditor19920 (talk) 21:34, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Wrong. It is the official report of the Special Counsel investigation (2017–2019). There are Congressional investigations but that is not the special counsel. You are literally grabbing straws. Aviartm (talk) 21:39, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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As of right now, you've authored 48% of the Mueller report. Simply wow! This is a recognition of your great efforts! starship.paint ~ KO 07:51, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
  • ... although you should probably replace that Medium source! I think Medium (website) is a blog site! Ha! But that's just one reference out of so many, not dumping on you! starship.paint ~ KO 07:51, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! :) Yes, Medium is a blog site, lol. Aviartm (talk) 07:54, 22 April 2019 (UTC)