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February 2010

Hello Avicennasis.
Welcome 'back' to Wikipedia. There are a few question on the Science Ref. Desk you may be interested in like this "super-simple_question_about_life_on_other_universe" and just before it there is another on iPod touch screens. -- (talk) 10:41, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Appreciate the heads up. I had actually looked at the iPod touch question, and started off trying to find information on Non-ITO Transparent Conductors, but since I was unable to find anything that wasn't already listed, I decided not to comment. The "super-simple question about life on other universe" was also a very interesting read, but I felt I had nothing substantial contribute to that discussion. I have seen a lot of your work around the reference desk though - there is some great information you provide. :) Avicennasis @ 09:12, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Rainbow trout transparent.png Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly.

This is for failing to understand that your reply is not a solution to my question on the CS reference desk. (Reading the first command I had posted as an example of what did *not* work would have helped) :-P -- (talk) 19:36, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I replied on the Ref Desk. Avicennasis @ 21:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Information.png Welcome to Wikipedia. The recent edit that you made to the page User:Aaarian has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Please use the sandbox for testing any edits; if you believe the edit was constructive, please ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing for further information. Thank you. Anna Lincoln 10:43, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I accept your judgment on this edit, based on your extensive Wikipedia history versus my own. I should note that I also edited the talk page of said user for the same reasons: it seems this user account was created solely for spam. I will leave that at your discretion, with no hard feelings, whatever you decide. Avicennasis @ 11:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Hello, I reverted your edit because, as a general rule, you can't nominate another user's page for deletion nor do it under the claim that it's spam. In these cases the usual action to take is to discuss with the user on his talk page. If the user does not have a previous history of contributions to the encyclopedia, you can nominate the page for deletion. I will do this now. Best wishes, Anna Lincoln 11:12, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I have followed your example a few times, and taken these pages to MfD. Avicennasis @ 21:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

User talk pages

Hi Avicennasis, just a suggestion for future reference, but when you see a spammy user talk page like User talk:Aaarian, it might be best just to blank the spam. If we delete the talk page other editors won't see warnings from others. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 11:24, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Point well taken, and now better understood after gaining more experience around the 'pedia. :) Avicennasis @ 21:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Requested an account on the ACC account creation interface

Per the instructions, "In order to complete the process, please make a confirmation edit to your user talk page. In this edit, note that you requested an account on the ACC account creation interface, and use a descriptive edit summary so that we can easily find this edit." Avicennasis @ 03:35, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

The reply I recieved:
Dear Avicennasis,
Your account Avicennasis has been declined access to the account creation tool.
"Thank you for your interest in helping other users to create accounts. Unfortunately, your application was unsuccessful on this occasion. This is because there is no particular backlog or shortage of users for the system; therefore, Wikipedians with comparatively little editing experience aren't generally offered access. Please feel free to apply again in a few months, once you have gained more experience."
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Comment by HJ-DO

Hi. Thanks for welcoming me to Wikipedia and all, but I haven't made any contributions yet, so don't thank me for them, please. I am pretty confused by Wikipedia, and I think it's going to be a while before I feel confident enough to edit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HJ-DO (talkcontribs) 04:45, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Ah. My goal with adding the welcome message was to leave some useful info for you to get familiar with Wikipedia. It too me a while to get the hang of, so I try to make it easier for others to learn. The welcome message is based off of a template, which is why it listed contributions, even though you don't have any yet. If you ever need help or have a question, feel free to ask! Avicennasis @ 04:59, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Jens Meurer

Hello Avicennasis. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Jens Meurer, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Known for films such as is an assertion of importance. Thank you. ϢereSpielChequers 10:21, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

I appreciate the FYI. :) Avicennasis @ 21:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)



Thanks for the help clarifying the guidelines on neutral point of view. I just joined Wikipedia and need to learn the rules before making changes. Phastings111 (talk) 20:29, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

No problem. If there is anything you need assistance on, feel free to ask me, or ask at the Help Desk. There are people all around that are willing to help. Avicennasis @ 05:23, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Your correction of my correction or cunfusion?

Greetings.. Thanks for editing my comment on the page/subject of (Patrick) Osmund Lewry. I actually considered the explanation you gave, but,thought the writing needed to reflect a clearer idea. You might have guessed that I'm new to redactions on Wikipedia. Sorry for including comments in an area where I wasn't supposed to! I will attempt to follow your instructions IF I consider making edits on my subsequent visits. I happen to 'go to wikipedia' most every day, and, I've contributed to this 'online-encyclopedia'. Thanks again for your assistance, and, I have not taken any offence to you, to your keyboard, nor do I wish to slap you with a trout. Regards!*10*.. somewhere in the sw us. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ttoulerchi10* (talkcontribs) 05:42, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

No problem. I am always here to help, should you need any assistance. Avicennasis @ 21:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot

Thanks for leaving me a motivation message. Kind Regards...--DawnOfTheBlood (talk) 07:39, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

No prolem! I can't wait to see the positive contributions from you! Avicennasis @ 21:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank You!

Thanks very much for the welcome message. Made me feel accepted right away :)

Thanks again - GodlySoldier (talk) 14:03, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Glad to hear it! This is my goal - to help new editors! Avicennasis @ 21:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Eye on the horizon

Hello Avicennasis. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Eye on the horizon, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A7 does not apply to albums. Dreadzone has an article, so A9 doesn't apply either. You could consider PROD or AfD - I'm not sure it passes WP:NALBUMS. Thank you. JohnCD (talk) 20:21, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the FYI. :) Avicennasis @ 21:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Help EricKorevaar


I had some content deleted due to its being a conflict of interest. I followed messages and links, and ended up here. Hopefully you will be able to help me.

I edited the entry on the California 2010 Lieutenant Governor election, because I am running for Lieutenant Governor. I used my real name (EricKorevaar) for the user name, as I was trying to be transparent. I am just as much a candidate as anyone else listed on the web page, and feel that it is fair to be included. My candidate statement has been posted at the California Secretary of State's website, along with those of the other candidates who submitted statements, so that is a good reference now for the whole page to be updated with current information. All of my candidacy paperwork has been filed with the San Diego County Registrar of Voters, but it may still be a few days before there is an official list of candidates.

How should I proceed to get the information listed again? I do have a conflict of interest in having it posted, but that does not make the information any less accurate, and I am sure the main editor of the page (is there such a person) would include the information in due course.

Thank you,

Eric Korevaar Candidate for California Lieutenant Governor in the June 8, 2010 primary election

EricKorevaar (talk) 23:56, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Eric, and welcome to Wikipedia. The reason I reverted the edit was not because of the addition of your name to the list - it was because of the website. To me, it seemed the website was in violation of the Advertisements policy here. However, after looking at the websites for the other candidates, they seem to be no better, per the same policy. I have reviewed many of the older articles here for other elections in the US, and it seems the consensus is to allow these websites within the relevant articles.

In short, I had not fully researched before I removed the edits, and have since restored them. You can see the current article here. --Avicennasis 04:04, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

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Editor Review

Greetings! I've just done an editor review on you. You can find it here (you know, where you last left it :). I hope you find my thoughts helpful, and please do let me know if you have any additional questions. I enjoyed reading your contributions, as I would with anybody who is as clearly a positive contributor to the encyclopedia as you are. Take care. ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡbomb 18:06, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

I have replied on your talk page. Avicennasis @ 21:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


You're quite welcome. I was curious what it looked like, so I opened the page, and it still didn't display properly. Nyttend (talk) 22:34, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Hmm...can I trust that you're really thankful, given your hatnote? It seems that you probably didn't mean to thank me :-) Nyttend (talk) 22:37, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure exactly what you mean. I had never heard of a hatnote until now, and reading over the article, I'm not sure what I may have that classifies as one. Regardless, I fully intended to extend my thanks. You did help out, and you did so quietly, without seeking praise. I only wanted to let you know that people do appreciate your actions. --Avicennasis 22:48, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Ah, I meant your editnotice, not a hatnote: "Assume good faith - Whatever I did/said, I probably didn't mean to." I'm joking; sorry to have confused you. Nyttend (talk) 22:56, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
Ah. It all makes sense now. :) Thanks for the clarification, and no worries about the mix-up - I now know what a hatnote is, and anything that expands my knowledge can't be a bad thing. --Avicennasis 23:00, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Your rollback request

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I have granted rollback rights to your account; the reason for this is that after a review of some of your contributions, I believe you can be trusted to use rollback correctly, and for its intended usage of reverting vandalism, and that you will not abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback and Wikipedia:Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck and thanks. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 01:36, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Avicennasis @ 21:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Merge discussion for The 22 Letters

Information.svg An article that you have been involved in editing, The 22 Letters , has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Plad2 (talk) 09:19, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the notice - my editing involvment to this article is minor, but I will see if I can assist. (Assuming this has not already been taken care of.) Avicennasis @ 21:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


I surmise that in this instance you looked at what links from the article space and clicked on "hide redirects" and saw only two links, one from a list. But nine articles linked through redirects. I've fixed those now, so all 11 links are visible when redirects are hidden. Michael Hardy (talk) 13:53, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

This was related to a bug in AWB which is discussed below, and now on AWB's bug page. Avicennasis @ 21:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

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Edits to Hebrew text of Ein Keloheinu

Hi. I'm wondering if you have a source for your change to Ein Keloheinu. It doesn't match the current transliteration, nor does it match the external links. Thanks a lot! Wrelwser43 (talk) 05:05, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

As I said on the talk page, my Hebrew is rusty, so I will admit I used some translators to help me. At the time, I was unaware of the external link for a comparison. I have restored the prior version for the time being, and will reach out to some friends with a much deeper knowledge of the language than my own. I believe the last line (אתה הוא שהקטירו אבותינו לפניך את קטרת הסמים) should be more like (אַתָּה הוּא אלֹהֵינו, אַתָּה הוּא אֲדוֹנֵינו, אַתָּה הוּא מַלְכֵּנו, אַתָּה הוּא מוֹשִׁיעֵנו. ). I will admit I should have read more into the article, and perhaps only changed the portions that seem to be off. I had intended to review this edit after the fact, but failed to follow-up as I had planned. -Avicennasis @ 06:06, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


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I have replied on your talk page. Avicennasis @ 21:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


I didn't say is a scam, and I may have been wrong. I have never heard of it before, so I figured it must be insignificant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eggbertx (talkcontribs) 21:38, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

I was responding to a comment left on your talk page - although I was not the original poster of the comment. Avicennasis @ 21:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Prod to AfD

I've noticed you'd nominated Skye englert a few times for Prod, despite removal. I've procedurally nominated it for AFD. Please add your explanation at that page. My nomination is neutral. Thanks. Shadowjams (talk) 09:47, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

No prob. I have added a reply to the discussion, although the original nominator was Reconsider the static. I have informed him of this on his talk page. Avicennasis @ 09:57, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. Everything looks good procedurally, although I'd hope the other creator comments. Thanks. Shadowjams (talk) 09:59, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
For interested parties, this was deleted. Avicennasis @ 21:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

SOCKS orphan tag


You recently added an {{orphan}} tag to SOCKS. Admittedly it didn't have many direct links at the time thanks to a misguided page move to SOCKS (Protocol) (now undone), but there were at least 50 articlespace links from the redirects. Did I miss something? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 11:22, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

The tag was a suggestion of AutoWikiBrowser. I would have thought that an Internet Protocol would have at least 3 links, which is why I was surprised when it showed up as a suggestion. I have since removed the orphan tag - it may have been a false positive. Avicennasis @ 17:31, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
As I say, at the time the page had been moved to SOCKS (Protocol), so all the inbound links were redirects. However, that seems to be a bug in AWB, as it should also take into consideration the number of inbound links via redirects, which it apparently didn't do. You might want to raise a bug report; unfortunately I'm not familiar with AWB or I'd do it myself. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 20:01, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
Ah. I will submit a report later this evening, as I am currently indisposed for anything other than quick tasks. Thanks again for the heads up. Avicennasis @ 21:39, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

─────────────────────────Actually, after reviewing the criteria for an orphaned article It states: "For the purposes of the strict definition, the following pages do not count toward the three incoming links:

  • Disambiguation pages
  • Redirects (but the links to the redirects count)
  • Soft redirects
  • Discussion pages of articles
  • Wikipedia pages outside of article space"

So, not counting redirects, it was technically an orphaned article. (at least, if I am reading the second bullet correctly.) Avicennasis @ 06:03, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that the exception in parentheses in the second point means "while redirects don't count towards the three links, links to those redirects do". As such, the ~50 links to SOCKS would have counted. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 10:31, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Yes that is exactly what it means. Avicennasis, the incoming links from redirects DO count. It looks like you've been adding the orphan tag to several articles that are definitely not orphans, such as Sándor Radó (14 incoming links), and others I have yet to check. Please be more careful in the future when adding the orphan tag. -- œ 22:01, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
AWB must not be counting redirects. Going to the Sándor Radó article, and seeing what links there from article space and hiding redirects shows only two - this must be what AWB saw for the less than three links, prompting the tag. I have filled out a bug report for this here. In the meantime, I will cease adding orphan tags unless I manually verify the need for such. Avicennasis @ 22:15, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for filling out that bug report. I didn't know it was AWB that was automatically prompting you to add the tag, if that was the case then the fault lies with AWB and it needs to be fixed ASAP. -- œ 22:27, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
No problem. For interested parties, tt seems the discussion has been taken to the bug form I filled out. Avicennasis @ 21:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


There are a whole lot of links and references that are footnoted in this article. Please explain your 'orphaning' of this article as other articles under " Fijian Nobility" are way less referenced and linked as this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonocan (talkcontribs) 04:35, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Please tell me which article you are referring to, and I will gladly explain my reasoning. Avicennasis @ 04:37, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
I would assume that Jonocan is referring to Taukei ni Waluvu (only one link from articlespace), which he de-tagged here. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 12:22, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Ah. At the time, when I had checked his contribs, the last edit I saw was to my talk page. Your edit summary explains the tag perfectly: "only one other article links to this one. it doesn't matter how high-quality this article is if nobody is ever directed to it; links need to be added to it from relevant articles" Thanks for the heads up. Avicennasis @ 19:45, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


Dont change the south park episode edits as they are all correct

As i indicated, mr Hotz is present and quite concerned credit was not given where due.

thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:32, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:No original research. IF you can source the edits you have made, you will be fine, and they will not be reverted. :) If I can help, please let me know. Avicennasis @ 05:45, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


welcome to www.{{redacted}}.com the quality of our products are good,and price is reasonable —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:34, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

I have replied on your talk page. Avicennasis @ 21:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

UAA tags

I would personally prefer it if anyone who leaves {{uw-username}} on a talk page would leave a note at UAA if that was where they came from. It would avoid the duplication of effort. Daniel Case (talk) 16:28, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the clairification. :) Avicennasis @ 21:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


My edits consisted of deleting dead links-- "clean up". So while they may not have APPEARED to be consturctive, they were.

-RSS —Preceding unsigned comment added by RSS2010 (talkcontribs) 18:15, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

I have replied on your talk page. Avicennasis @ 21:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


I know you've tried to engage user:Facial Cum Shot, but that is a blatant username vio. I've blocked. -- Flyguy649 talk 22:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

I figured this would happen. I was just trying to assume good faith, since this user didn't have any negative contributions. At least that I could see - the deletion log may have some entries on him. I approve of the block. :) (Not that you need my approval or anything...) Avicennasis @ 23:23, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

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Just alerting you since your comments are involved. Just to be clear, my question isn't disapproval of any kind; I have always championed the idea that non-admins should get the same respect admins do in discussions of what admin action to take (although sometimes the amount of respect admins get is "not much" :). I'm just wondering what's the appropriate action for me to take in my usual routine. (Watching) - Dank (push to talk) 15:22, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Given the fact that the usernames are promotional, and they have not replied to concerns of their username or anywhere else, I would say it's fair to {{Uw-softerblock}}. The only reason I try to help, is that logging in to Wikipedia and seeing a new message that expresses concern over their username is a little less bitey than logging in to a "You are blocked" message. (Don't get me wrong - important policies should override WP:BITE). My goal is only to assist the user in understanding why their account may be blocked soon, and try to assist them in that effort. (So fat, I've only gotten one...) I won't pretend to have enough experience to know when to discuss or when to simply ban, and I will accept any admin's judgment over my own. If there is anyway I can improve or help out more, please let me know. If my "assistance" at WP:UAA is causing more harm/confusion than actual help, I won't be offended if asked to stop. :) Avicennasis @ 20:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I'll leave it up to the patrollers and admins whether they'd prefer not to see "talking to user" messages at UAA for usernames that would usually be softerblocked; I think it just depends on what the patrollers find least confusing. I was just wanting feedback on what I should do ... I think people are saying I should go ahead and block if there are promotional edits, there's no evidence that the user is responding, and the name would normally be softerblockable. Thanks for your work. - Dank (push to talk) 21:32, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
I agree: go ahead and block if there are promotional edits, there's no evidence that the user is responding, and the name would normally be softerblockable. As long as there is some window to respond, (I.E., we should not be putting username warnings telling them to change it and then blocking 2 minutes later when they haven't done such yet), and there has been no positive response, then a block is in order. Avicennasis @ 21:50, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

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Did I mention you get feedback free of charge? People generally go to WP:OP for a conclusive response: yes, no, or inconclusive. So, what would your conclusion be? -- zzuuzz (talk) 21:27, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I would say yes. I have stamped it. Although I cannot access it right now, it seems to have a history of being a proxy, and again, I did not port scan/SOCKS proxy every port. I have now stamped it. (Hopefully OK, as it didn't say it was for Verified users only.) Thanks for the feedback - always appreciated. Avicennasis @ 22:24, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
I disagree. It's a wifi hotspot, and any mentions of it's use as a proxy are short lived and well over a year ago. Even your comments agree that it's not open. Perhaps you could re-read my earlier replies. -- zzuuzz (talk) 06:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Some of the entries I found in Google were less than a year old - one was 8 months ago (can't find it now...) Also, per Project Honeypot, malicious activity was seen from this IP 6 months, 3 weeks ago. There was a post of a list of SOCKS proxies to the "warez" site that included this IP last September. Currently no open ports, though a few are filtered, and if this public Wifi spot has been reconfigured as a proxy once, we have no idea if any mesures or security have been changed to stop it from happening again.
Nmap Results

Starting Nmap 4.11 ( ) at 2010-03-31 03:06 Eastern Daylight Time
Interesting ports on
Not shown: 65528 closed ports
135/tcp filtered msrpc
136/tcp filtered profile
137/tcp filtered netbios-ns
138/tcp filtered netbios-dgm
139/tcp filtered netbios-ssn
445/tcp filtered microsoft-ds
1720/tcp filtered H.323/Q.931

Nmap finished: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 73.015 seconds

Again, just my thoughts, I try to balance out pros and cons... Since there is no *recent* indication that this IP has been used as a proxy in the past 3 months or so, I would say that it is no longer an open proxy. This history, if not the damage, remain though... If the determination is made at the time of investigation, then I would say no, currently, this is not an open proxy. Avicennasis @ 07:22, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
You'll notice many requests at WP:OP are from IPs which were once blocked as open proxies, but are now requesting unblock. We normally end up unblocking them, regardless of the history - give or take - if they are not open proxies then they are not open proxies and they are only causing collateral damage. That is, unless they are part of an obvious rotation which makes it highly likely they will be again. Timing is a crucial matter with open proxies as the majority (especially HTTP/SOCKS proxies) are closed within a few months, often less. This is what makes Project Honeypot and other DNSBLs very unreliable. Once you get listed you're pretty much stuck on that list, even if the computer has been re-installed and the IP reassigned. Google results likewise; they often have a timestamp somewhere close. -- zzuuzz (talk) 07:47, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

─────────────────────────So the long and the short of it comes down to whether or not it's an open proxy right now. Ok. History forgotten, make the most of today. I understand. Verdict changed. Avicennasis @ 07:56, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

More accurately, whether it's going to be an open proxy in the near future. There's an {{inconclusive}} tag which can be used on some occasions. In some cases we just let them sit on the board for a while until it becomes clearer. Some IPs for example are shut down at night and weekends. -- zzuuzz (talk) 08:05, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Ah. A much better plan, indeed. :) I will poke and prod around the project for a bit - kind of hang back and watch, investigate but not leap to tagging right away. There is a method to the madness, I'm sure, and I will pick it up sooner or later. Avicennasis @ 08:18, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Hallo, thanks for the speedy assistance!Eugene-elgato (talk) 22:32, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

No problem! Feel free to ask for help any time, either with the {{helpme}} tag or asking on my talk page. Avicennasis @ 04:45, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for your interest in igloo. You have been added to the script whitelist, and the program should now allow you to connect. Ale_Jrbtalk 23:10, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! I will have to try it out shortly. Avicennasis @ 04:45, 31 March 2010 (UTC)`

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I found what I thought to be a quite notable person (completely unrelated to me in any way). When I search for information about him all I get was numerous quotes, references to his many, many newspaper articles, and many requests for further information about his across the Internet, but no other detailed information besides a reference in a listing of newspaper writers.

When I attempted to start a stub about this author my attempt was deleted due to a "lack of notability".

I don't understand the criteria for "notability", someone who is widely quoted and frequently searched seems to be notable.

Are my articles being deleted by overzealous or tyrannical editors on power trips or am I missing important information about the writing process?

BH —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brhebert (talkcontribs) 06:34, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

It is essential you cite reliable sources for the content of your article. This is particularly important when adding or changing any facts or figures and helps maintain our policy of verifiability. Take a look at Wikipedia:Citing sources for information about how to cite sources and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. For help on formatting, it may be easier for you to use the citation tool. Also, please feel free to visit the New contributors' help page. There a lot of useful infomation there, as well as people willing to help. For examples of what a good new article consists of, please check out Wikipedia:Articles for creation. You can follow the directions and have an editor work with you on making a good article, or you could just look at some recent requests there and look at the difference between accepted and declined articles. There are some very big points to keep in mind:

Articles require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.

  • Significant
References that are about the subject - it is in the title or chapter heading. Not passing mentions. Not directory listings. Not just any old thing that happens to have the name in it. Several of them - not just one. It must be notable.
  • Reliable sources
Something that is 'generally trusted' to tell the truth. A major newspaper. A factual, widely-published book. High-quality mainstream publications with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Not blogs, not myspace. Verifiable.
  • Independent
Nothing written by the subject or paid-for by the subject. Not their website. Not a press-release. Not primary sources.

If you need anything else, create a new section at the end of your own talk page, put {{helpme}}, and ask your question. Also you can talk to us live, with this or this. The last of those is particularly useful - please try it; pop in now and say hello. Also, something to keep in mind in case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button Button sig.png located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Best of luck to you! Avicennasis @ 21:51, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Requested IRC cloak on freenode

Would like the cloak "Wikipedia/Avicennasis". Avicennasis @ 21:11, 1 April 2010 (UTC)



Hi, and welcome to WikiProject Articles for creation! We are a group of editors who work together on the Articles for creation and Images for upload pages.

A few tips that you might find helpful:

  • Please take time to fully read the reviewers' instructions before reviewing submissions.
  • The project's discussion board is the best place to ask for help or advice. You might like to watchlist this page, and you are encouraged to take part in any discussion that comes up.

Once again, welcome to the project. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:14, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome! Avicennasis @ 18:32, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


{{talkback}} Set Sail For The Seven Seas 279° 28' 0" NET 18:37, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

{{talkback}} Set Sail For The Seven Seas 282° 25' 30" NET 18:49, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

{{talkback}} Set Sail For The Seven Seas 288° 38' 15" NET 19:14, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

{{talkback}} Set Sail For The Seven Seas 299° 2' 0" NET 19:56, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

I have replied to all of these so far. Avicennasis @ 21:16, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
But not this one :) I tend to collapse the old ones to leave a record of the talkback. You can delete them if you want.

{{talkback}} Set Sail For The Seven Seas 326° 28' 15" NET 21:45, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

No prob. I keep them here to show I got them, and they are eventually archived. I reply to them just so I know whether or not I have looked at them yet. (Makes a bigger difference when you have a lot of items.) Anything that doesn't end with my name needs looked at. :) Avicennasis @ 00:02, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Come to think of it, I tend to do a similar thing and it lets me know if you've read the message yet. I noticed that you used {{VIEWINGUSER}} on your talkpage. It still needs a bit of sorting out before it is ready. I can let you know when it is up and running. Also, you may need to raise the toolbar you use on your userpage since it blocks out the text at the top of the page. This can be done by setting all the "top" parameters to -30px or something around that value.

{{talkback}} Set Sail For The Seven Seas 205° 0' 15" NET 13:40, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Toolbar rasied - looked ok to me in Opera before, but after reading your comment I checked it in Firefox, and yikes! I was using the {{VIEWINGUSER}} - I saw it on your page and thought it was nifty, however it seemed a little buggy, so for now I commented it out. I would like to know when it's fully functional. Avicennasis @ 08:52, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
The toolbar is much better placed, the top bit of text is easier to read now. I've looked over the {{VIEWINGUSER}} template and it seems like the only way to get it working is to program the variable in the same way the others have been done. It's definitely possible, but I think only the developers have enough access to do it. I guees I'll have to ask them to create it.

{{talkback}} Set Sail For The Seven Seas 254° 37' 15" NET 16:58, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


{{talkback}} Codedon (talk) 20:24, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

I have replied at your talk page Avicennasis @ 21:16, 2 April 2010 (UTC)


Though you have lost dignity in my eyes, I would wish that you try to get me started. I have tried to edit some articles, but I am unsure whether I am doing it right since I have nobody to guide me. Please be that person. Codedon (talk) 21:05, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

I would be happy to try and assist you if you think I can help. I will state now that I will be on- and off-wiki for the next week or so, so my edits and assistance may seem sporadic. As I mentioned on your talk page, it seems there are no edits outside your user spaces, so any edits you tried to make to any articles seem like they did not save. As such, I am not sure what articles you were trying to change, or what that change may have been. Can you give me an example of a change you were trying to make or would like to make? Such as "I would like to add XXX to article ZZZ"? This will tell me what changes your are having trouble with, and give me a better idea on how to help. Else, if you have any questions you would like answered, I will try to answer them to the best of my ability. Just let me know how I can best help you. Avicennasis @ 21:16, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. I'm currently interested in editing articles about small villages in India, including Gumtala, Littran, Malri, Chak Vendhal, Laroi, Patara, India, Sang Dhesian, and Sadakpur. Codedon (talk) 22:10, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
That's great! Those articles seem "stubby", or short, so they can definately use some more content. I am not too familar with India, so I am not sure what information could be added. A way to find out, though, is by using categories. For example, If we look at the Littran article and hit edit, to get the content as seen here, we see at the bottom that this is linked into Category:Punjab (India) geography stubs. So, if we visit that category, we can find longer articles and see what other people have decided to add. (An example of a longer article would be Garhshanker.} Another great resource for these pages and similar, is Wikipedia:WikiProject India. You could ask members there for ideas as well, and even join if you want! I hope this helps a little - forgive me if I have covered things here you may already know, but it's good to get the basics in. Do you have any ideas on what we can add to these articles? I am sure we can expand them together. :) Avicennasis @ 08:49, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Am I closer?

I am still trying to process these procedures. Could you briefly glance at my talk page (Brhebert) and tell me if this is getting close enough to notability (I am still searching for further references)?

What is involved with creating stubs? I am particularly interested in scientific stubs, such as animal species.

B. Hebert (talk) 07:12, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, you are off to a good start. I have added some references, and would like a few more "solid" ones before taking it to mainspace. You can look over it and see how the references are formatted; I know it may seem complicated, but I just used the cite tool and it did all that for me. I will let you know if I find anything more. Avicennasis @ 08:05, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Now I am impressed! I will continue to try and find more "notability". My purpose for this was to familiarize myself with the procedure (and hopefully to write other articles) and this seemed like a reasonable starter project.

Did you dig up any additional cites that I missed or did the software find these links and cross references?

Brhebert (talk) 17:07, 3 April 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brhebert (talkcontribs) 17:06, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

I attempted to make additions to my references on my Talk Page, but could not understand the procedures for inserting additional references. How do I insert references and get them formatted like previous cites? Don't necessarily make the changes as I would like to know how to edit correctly. Thanks! Brhebert (talk) 00:18, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I was unable to find any better sources for this.. I will ask for a second opinion from a few editors later on whether or not this is ready to be an article. :) I will let you know what happens. Avicennasis @ 20:25, 9 April 2010 (UTC)


Hi there! I replied to Talk:Child_abuse#Title_of_this_article---should_it_be_.22child_maltreatment.22.3F and I also noticed this->

Check the user's contributions: [1], [2].

A sock puppet case? I may just be paranoid of course... --JokerXtreme (talk) 08:21, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I had considered that, but it's a weak link... and if the user just wanted to back up an edit request, then why wait? Also, most Sockmasters who aren't caught yet almost always use their main account, and here it seems like the "main" account only has 42 edits? It seems I was grasping at straws... Even if the change is made, it's nothing drastic or controversial, so there really is no need to stack voting with Sockpuppets. You know what they say: Crystal 128 babelfish.svgCheckUser is not for fishing. But it is good to know that someone else had the same thought at first - maybe I am not losing my mind after all. Thanks for the heads-up. Avicennasis @ 08:29, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
It's good to know I'm not the only one who thought of this either, but yeah I guess you're right. Nothing major here. It seems that the request was declined after all. Well, see you around! --JokerXtreme (talk) 09:50, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
No prob. Avicennasis @ 20:25, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

April 2010

Hah! I bet the title gave you a scare. That was probably unnecessary, but whatever. :)

During this edit that you posted around, I think there was a little C&P mistake at the bottom. I removed it from a few AFDs, but probably not all. Just thought you should know. ALI nom nom 19:54, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up! I have corrected the rest of them. And I was expecting a template once I saw that header. Hehe. Avicennasis @ 20:19, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
I am, of course, inherently evil. You should expect nothing else! ALI nom nom 21:02, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Noted. :) Avicennasis @ 20:25, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

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Your monobook

Hi Avicennasis!

I made a small adjustment to your monobook.js, as the speedy template made it show up in the CAT:SD. Hope it didn't break anything. Regards, decltype (talk) 12:00, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Nope, still works fine. Thanks! Avicennasis @ 15:42, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Removal of the Category:Flagged articles

You have been systematically removing the [[Category:Flagged articles]] that I have place on article talk pages where the problem with the article still exists. This is the wrong procedure. In the case of lack of or no references this means that the article is still a problem and thus potential deletion candidate and the category is still valid. Please do not remove the category without looking to see if the problem has been removed. --Triwbe (talk) 14:27, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

The articles I removed all had references, as I recall, though I may have over-looked a few of them. A good deal of these articles were tagged since 2008 with many edits since then - If there is still a concern with these articles, they should be taken to AfD. A lot of these were up for deletion before, either PROD or CSD, and survived. Avicennasis @ 15:41, 8 April 2010 (UTC) Italic text added at 16:42, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
I noticed you have reverted or re-added pages to this category. I just want to let you know that I will not "revert yout revert". Feel free to re-add all the pages to the category in question if you feel the need - I will not consider it bad practice if you rollback my edits. :) Keep up the positive contributions. Avicennasis @ 20:31, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Some removals I agreed with. I also think there is a difference between badly sourced articles and articles that should be deleted, otherwise I would AfD or PROD. These (and many other articles)need better sourcing, not deleting (and no I do not have time to do it myself :-). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Triwbe (talkcontribs) 20:35, 8 April 2010

Removal of the Category:Flagged articles (redux)

Hello, Avicennasis/MainArchive ...

I noticed that Category:Flagged articles had been depopulated, and that you had modified Template:Flag-article ... I reverted your change, and was surprised that it was not repopulated ... then I noticed your conversation with Triwbe, and your edit history showed that you had manually removed the Cat from the ninety-some articles that were flagged ... I think that some of them are still dubious (e.g., the only attempt at WP:RS is an {{Imdb}} link) ... I get it that you're an inclusionist, and I'm not going to search all of them to find and tag ones that I think do not belong, but the next time you do a mass purge, please comment on the Template/Category talk page ... BTW, thnx fer using the boilerplate message on the article talk pages when you removed the Cat. :-)

Happy Editing! — (talk · contribs) 19:59, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Since you and Triwbe seem to be the main users of this template, I will make use of discussions before mass removal. (Or just improve the articles myself.) My edit to the template was to attempt to suppress the category to Wikipedia Talk space, but it failed.. >.> Avicennasis @ 20:25, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Re: School / Business Vandalism

It is still done, although in order to make such a block, we have to verify that the sysadmin is in fact a sysadmin; it's next to impossible to do this on-wiki, which is why it's not commonly done. If they'd like some assistance with this, they can email the functionaries list at or myself directly at Make sure that they know to do so from the email address issued to them by their school or school district, and to include the name of their school in the email they send so we can verify their identity. Thanks for letting me know! Hersfold (t/a/c) 20:40, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks again. I have passed this info to the sysadmin, (who had emailed me from his school -linked email), so you (or ArbCom) may be getting an email soon. :) Avicennasis @ 20:25, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of File:Snowplow.jpg

Just to let you know, at the time you nominated this for deletion it didn't meet the criteria for speedy deletion, as the image on commons had a different name. If I'd deleted it then it would have created a broken image link in the articles it was used in. So I updated the link in those articles and deleted. Next time it would be good if you did that (updating the links). No big deal though. Cheers, Peter 23:15, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Slpped my mind! My apologizes. I'll be more careful with name-change-moves. Thanks for the heads up, and good catch! Avicennasis @ 23:53, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm baaaack

We'll set a date for the 27th, capiche muzzie luva? You can't "protect" from Islamic iniquity! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 06:14, 13 April 2010

Sounds likes a plan. I'll see you then. Stay healthy and happy in the meantime. :) Avicennasis @ 06:23, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Kim Gu

Hello Avicennasis. Are you requesting a change to this protected article? If so, the change needs to be fully written out, and it should clearly have consensus. It should also be fully sourced. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 22:36, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Nope. Someone else did, only they used the semi-protected tag. I simply corrected it since the article is fully protected. :) Avicennasis @ 22:42, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

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Re: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Batiatus - Yes, I did want a redirect, which I thought was clear from the way the "article" was written. Thanks for making the redirect, though I'm not sure why it says my request was declined when it was not, nor why I'm not allowed to make simple redirects (I guess potential vandalism in that regard). Thanks again.-- (talk) 19:37, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

The request was declined because it was listed in the articles section, although it was not an article. Redirects should be at Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects. Since approving it as an article but then making it a redirect would have caused some issues and confusion, so it was simpler to decline and make manually. :) And yes, redirect vandalism is a problem, such as this one as a redirect to the Darth Vader article. Avicennasis @ 20:08, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

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Gentle nudge  7  05:55, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

 Done :) Thanks! Avicennasis @ 08:53, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

About the wikiproject userpage template on Chzz's talkpage

WPCF.svg The California Barnstar
In recognition of help in developing a California Delta task force userbox. Morenooso (talk) 07:40, 22 April 2010 (UTC))
Thanks! :) Avicennasis @ 15:23, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
You're welcome. Question: I was just admiring the work on userpage and noticed that it did place the appropriate WP category (meaning I am a member there) - can that be embedded into my userpage template? Morenooso (talk) 15:27, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
You mean having the userbox automatically add the user into Category:WikiProject California participants? Yep, that's do-able. Do you want me to add it to User:Morenooso/WikiProject CA Delta userbox? Avicennasis @ 18:41, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Please do!!! Morenooso (talk) 21:21, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 Done. :) Let me know if you need anything else. Avicennasis @ 22:13, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
Could I have five twenties, two tens and a five out of spare change? Seriously, I just looked at my userpage and it doesn't show the CA Delta WP cat. However, I can see that you added it to the template and it shows up on the sub userpage. I wonder why it doesn't transfer over to my userpage? Morenooso (talk) 03:10, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Huh. Looking at your userpage, it does show you to be in Category:WikiProject California participants, and your name shows on this list. This category will not automatically show in the edit window, but if you go to Special:Preferences and enable HotCat under the gadgets section, it shows all the categories a page is in at the bottom. :) Avicennasis @ 03:17, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
I must be a dodo. Yes, I am WP:CA but the WP:CA Delta is separate sub WP. Other CA sub WPs have the member cat automatically added when the userbox is placed on the userpage. Maybe WP:CA Delta does not have the cat set up. --Morenooso (talk) 04:09, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Correct - as far as I could see, there was no delta cat, which is why I used the top level. Since the member page only lists two people, I don't think a cat would be needed yet (others tend to frown on very small cats). Avicennasis @ 05:07, 23 April 2010 (UTC)


{{Talkback|Category talk:Flagged articles|Backlog}}

Thank you. :) Avicennasis @ 02:35, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the help on Susan Ivey

And thank you for the nice comment, I appreciate it a lot. Piedmont NC (talk) 23:14, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

No problem. :) Avicennasis @ 02:35, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Your transcluded sig

Hi Avicennasis, I saw your note at the Help desk about de-transcluding your sig page. It's not a big deal now that you've stopped 'cluding it but there are still 230 examples out there that someone else (new) might happen to see and think what a great idea it is, then have their first unpleasant brush with "no, we're not discussing, these are the rules here". Two years ago I signed up for Auto Wiki Browser but I've never used it. Would you mind if I ran through those transclusions and subst:'ed them? It would be good practice for me, it aligns with policy and of course I would take sole responsibility for the results and fix any problems. I'm might try a few test edits during breaks in the hockey playoff broadcast, just to be sure I know what I'm doing. Franamax (talk) 02:02, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

No problem! Feel free to take a shot at it - I don't mind at all. Let me know if you have any problems you can't solve - I have a little bit of experience with AWB. :) Avicennasis @ 02:35, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

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Abuse Response

Hi. You placed an Abuse Response notice on User talk: I have just blocked that IP for 55 hours: the page at Wikipedia:Abuse response/ didn't give the name of an investigator, so I have just made a note of the block there. Hope that's the right thing to do. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 14:30, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

No problem. The abuse template needs a little re-working - this IP is part of a range of IPs causing trouble, and the case can be found at Wikipedia:Abuse reports/66.4.233.x. Thanks for the FYI though. :) Avicennasis @ 15:18, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


Hi, you probably haven't noticed that your new User:AvicAWB account is totally crowding out Recent Changes from new editors. As it's now got 10 edits, maybe you could wait 4 days before editing further, so that edits then don't appear in that list. Rd232 talk 08:37, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Yikes! That totally had not occurred to me! I have halted. Thank you for the heads up! Avicennasis @ 08:44, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
No problem. It probably wouldn't have occurred to me either :). A separate AWB account is a good idea though, this hiccup aside. Rd232 talk 08:47, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Please do not change wiki source from legible HTML entities like ∇ to characters that are barely legible in the edit box or diff area like ∇ because this makes it very difficult for subsequent editors to figure out what character they are dealing with. This change was made to the Electric potential article. Jc3s5h (talk) 11:18, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

My apologizes. I had assumed that the actually characters would be better than the HTML, but did not think that some PC's may not be able to handle the character set. Also, while I found the changes helpful, per the rules of AWB, edits doing only this should be avoided, so I will be adjusting my settings to prevent this. Thanks! :) Avicennasis @ 20:08, 1 May 2010 (UTC)


According to the AWB "Rules", edits such as [3] that just make trivial formatting changes should be avoided. — Carl (CBM · talk) 11:47, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I was aware that things like white space removal ans such should be avoided, but I had not thought that HTML to Unicode would also be considered such. It's been a while since I have used AWB, so I will have to review the rules and guidelines again. Thanks for the heads up. :) Avicennasis @ 20:08, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

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Abuse response

Just to let you know, you have an open case still at Wikipedia:Abuse response/ If you are unable to finish it at this time, please reset the status to new. Thank you. -- /MWOAP|Notify Me\ 00:25, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Just to let you know, you have an open case still at Wikipedia:Abuse response/ If you are unable to finish it at this time, please reset the status to new. Thank you. -- /MWOAP|Notify Me\ 00:25, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Just to let you know, you have an open case still at Wikipedia:Abuse response/ If you are unable to finish it at this time, please reset the status to new. Thank you. -- /MWOAP|Notify Me\ 00:25, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Just to let you know, you have an open case still at Wikipedia:Abuse response/ If you are unable to finish it at this time, please reset the status to new. Thank you. -- /MWOAP|Notify Me\ 00:25, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder and sorry for the delay. I am having some issues off-wiki that have affected my editing ability here for the time being, but I will endeavor to complete these soon, or reset them if I am unable to. Avicennasis @ 16:22, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Abuse response/ - I am almost done with.
Wikipedia:Abuse response/ - Is next, will have this done soon.
Wikipedia:Abuse response/ - I have reset to new.
Wikipedia:Abuse response/ - Not sure why this is here, checking the history, I never touched this case.
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Motto of the Day

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Hi there, Avicennasis! Thought you might be interested in Motto of the Day, a collaborative (and totally voluntary) effort by a group of Wikipedians to create original, inspirational mottos. Have a good motto idea? Share it here, comment on some of the mottos there or just pass this message onto your friends.

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Oblivion Lost

The Ukrainian Wikipedia has this photo since 2007 ( That's not good enough for you!? Oblivion Lost (talk) 13:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

If the image is in the Public Domain, some explanation would be needed. The tag currently used, PD-russia, is deprecated. I cannot read the information on that you linked to, but if they have an explanation on why it is in the public domain, it would be best to translate that. Else, upload the file to Commons and put the notice there in whatever language is more comfortable. Also, I was not the original tagger of the image, so you may want to address the first individual as well. :) Hope this helps. Avicennasis @ 16:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Good grief :P

scary nmber of interwikis... :) Happy editing! {{Sonia|talk|simple}} 09:23, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Yep. That covers every wiki, unless I missed one. Really not useful for the most part, although it does help out a little bit with my anti-vandal work at meta:Small Wiki Monitoring Team. :) Avicennasis @ 16:43, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

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Nudge nudge...  7  06:23, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, again, will complete now. I'm easily distracted. New rule: I will not handle a request unless I can complete it in 10 minutes or so. >.> Avicennasis @
LOL. No prob.  7  06:31, 19 May 2010 (UTC)


Hi. When someone vandalizes an article such as this [4] how does one give them a formal warning? I'm assuming only admins can do that. Just wondering.

Thanks, JS —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimsteele9999 (talkcontribs) 11:38, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Hello! In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button Button sig.png located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Now, when it comes to warnings, if the edit is clear cut vandalism, anyone can place {{subst:uw-vandalism1}} on the page, and it will generate the text below (bwtween the lines)

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you.

To mention a specific article, like Special education, you would use: {{subst:uw-vandalism1|Special education}} And get:

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Special education, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you.

You can see the full list of warnings here. There are levels, as well. If the user has recieved {{subst:uw-vandalism1}} already, and continued to vandalize (be sure the check timestamps!) you can place {{subst:uw-vandalism2}} on their talk page. There is also a 3 and a 4. If they continue to vandalize after the final warning (number 4) then you should report them to Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism, or WP:AIV for short. An admin will be along shortly to block them.

Again, Any user can warn another user if their edits are very clearly destructive. Only admins can block a user, though. Hope that helps! let me know if you need anything else! Avicennasis @ 22:38, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

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Arlington/Memorial day! Snopes. (talk) 17:57, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Hebrew Calendar

I was able to create the calendar. However, just before I started transferring it to here, I found that there already exists code for this here. It turns out that the code

{{#time: xjj xjF xjY }}


7 Cheshvan 5780

as required. Hope this helps. Set Sail For The Seven Seas 340° 33' 0" NET 22:42, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help. I am glad to see your return. :) Avicennasis @ 00:50, 28 Sivan 5770 / 10 June 2010 (UTC)
No problem! Set Sail For The Seven Seas 302° 15' 45" NET 20:09, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Acceptable Rates


Many thanks for the feedback on acceptable rates of access.

Really appreciate the prompt and helpful response.

M —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:41, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

No prob. Let me know if you need anything else. :) Avicennasis @ 22:21, 28 Sivan 5770 / 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank spam!

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Congrats! Avicennasis tb? @ 16:09, 3 Tamuz 5770 / 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you from Sally - regarding MigreLief Article.

I am soooo grateful you got back to me. I didn't mean to disappear on you. I have a bipolar/schizo. teen and any moment can be an emergency. My laptop must have slammed shut and signed me off. Again I apologize and am glad you hung in their and replied. Also...very excited you feel with the proper reworking...we can get an article posted.

I truly appreciate your assistance. I am learning to navigate Wikipedia for the first is a little complicated. Not sure where to correspond with (how I'll know to get back to your page is a mystery), on live chat, or my mail. Hopefully I won't lose touch with you. Thanks again. SallySallybass (talk) 06:22, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Hello again from Sally (MigreLief Article)

Forgot to ask if you had the right link...This is the second article I wrote a bit revised from the first one that was deleted: last revision:


Sally —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sallybass (talkcontribs) 07:00, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

No problem, Sally. Rewriting the article will take some time, as I said, and my time is kind of limited, but if you can be patient with me, I will get to rewriting it and see if we can make a decent article out of it. :) I believe I have your email from our chat on IRC, although it is usually better to communicate on Wikipedia via talk pages, as you have done here. It increases transparency by letting others see what is going on. I will keep you updated as I make progress. Avicennasis tb? @ 16:09, 3 Tamuz 5770 / 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 ::Just checking to see if you need any information or additional references...for a MigreLief article rewrite.  Thank you for your assistance.  Happy 4th of July. Sally Sallybass (talk) 15:49, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Re:Admin Coaching.

Replied on my talk page. Peter 10:15, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Checked. :) Avicennasis tb? @ 16:09, 3 Tamuz 5770 / 15 June 2010 (UTC)
I've replied again. Shall I assume you're checking my talk page for replies, or do you want to be notified here as well? Peter 16:27, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
I'll be checking your talk page often. As users come to you for assistance, I can also get an idea of how you handle each issue, so it's a learning experience. :) Avicennasis tb? @ 16:31, 3 Tamuz 5770 / 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Hello from RoboRay

Dear Avicennasis, I added several links to the Sonja de Lennart page, may I remove your orphan tag? thank you so much! RoboRay(RoboRay (talk) 13:42, 15 June 2010 (UTC)). P.S. I'm glad to read that you are also a Reform Jew!(RoboRay (talk) 14:40, 15 June 2010 (UTC))

Shalom! :) And yes, the tag can now be removed - I've already taken it off. In general, an article is considered an orphan when fewer than 3 other articles link to it. If we check what links to Sonja de Lennart from articlespace, we see it now has 3 links pointing to it, so it would no longer be an orphan. For future reference, as long as you are following guidelines, you don't really need to ask permission to remove tags if you have solved the issue in the tag. But I appreciate you coming and asking me. If you have any other questions or anything, let me know. Avicennasis tb? @ 16:09, 3 Tamuz 5770 / 15 June 2010 (UTC)
SHALOM!! and thank you so much for your help and advice and your offer to contact you if I have any other question. Yes, I have some questions, I will prepare and submit the questions asap. Again, thank you so much! (is there anything I could do for you???!!)(RoboRay (talk) 15:56, 17 June 2010 (UTC))


Oceanic divisions.svg

On the ocean discussion page you answered my user edit saying try to find a licence. I made the image myself and got a reply pointing me in direction to upload the file to wiki. Well I did that now and this is the link to the photo and the licensing info. This is some photos for a reference to check that my zones check with the ones in the text-book.

Can you post my image on the zones and depths section in the ocean page? Thanks!

Nathaniel Albrecht (photoguy2801)--Photoguy2801 (talk) 16:04, 15 June 2010 (UTC)6/15/2010

Per the opinion of a couple different editors, the balance seems to be in favor of the image in the article, as shown here. Your image does seem a little active and less boring, but doesn't convey all the same information. You are free to ask for comments on the talk page to get feedback, but as is I think your image will have to be changed at least a little for it to be considered. If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to let me know. :) Avicennasis tb? @ 16:15, 3 Tamuz 5770 / 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Why I wanted to post it was our school (and probably a lot of others) had to do a biomes book. For the biomes book we had to include an image that had those zones. Everybody found it a problem when hitting this part, there is no image on the web like this (with all these zones)(or they have WAY too much information). I got so fed up with trying to find an image I sat down and played for hours in Photoshop trying to make this. I wanted to help the future students by posting this image for them to use so they won't have to go through all the trouble I, and the rest of my class did. I do think the image is very different from the other image in the section and describes the zones better, having little graphics that show what is in that area. (ex. Starfish, coral, sharks...) Could we keep the other image and just add this one as another one. To be honest, in my humble opinion, the other image tells way to much info, but more importantly is just BLAN. Thanks for understanding. --Photoguy2801 (talk) 16:44, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
I have started a discussion for you on the talk page. See here. Hopefully we'll be able to get some other editors' opinions. :) Avicennasis tb? @ 16:59, 3 Tamuz 5770 / 15 June 2010 (UTC)
what do you think of the new image? would you accept? Photoguy2801 (talk) 17:57, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
It's on the discussion you set up on the ocean discussion page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Photoguy2801 (talkcontribs) 18:07, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
I think the image(s), while a good illustration of the topic, is not ready to be included in the article. I believe if you are willing to make modifications to it, or perhaps allow another editor to modify it, that it could be included. As is, I don't feel it's a professional enough image to be included. I do like your idea and concept, however. Avicennasis tb? @ 18:33, 3 Tamuz 5770 / 15 June 2010 (UTC)

─────────────────────────I did make mods to it [5] Could we no just add another photo Photoguy2801 (talk) 18:43, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

It's not up to me. Anyone can make changes, and anyone can undo those changes. We work on something called consensus here. The best place to make an argument for including your image is at the talk page. Also, don't worry if people don't respond right away - we have no deadlines here. :) Avicennasis tb? @ 19:00, 3 Tamuz 5770 / 15 June 2010 (UTC)

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Where is someone talking to them? Everard Proudfoot (talk) 23:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, mistook the COI warning on the userpage for COI/Username warning. I have added a notice about the username as well, and will be more careful in the future. Thanks for the heads up! :) Avicennasis @ 23:46, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. :) Everard Proudfoot (talk) 23:48, 16 June 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for letting me know. I will probably eventually ask an adminstrator to delete the portions of that page regarding the AN/I issues and save it until I can better use it. Thanks much. Wildhartlivie (talk) 20:32, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Article protection at Race and intelligence

I don't understand why you removed the semi-protection template. We've already had an anon IP come in and delete content with no edit summary provided. Please restore. PЄTЄRS J VЄСRUМВАTALK 14:37, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I removed the semi-protection template because the article is not semi-protected. However, if you feel the page should be protected, feel free to request it at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. :) Avicennasis @ 15:20, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Well, that would explain it, thanks for the quick reply. :-) PЄTЄRS J VЄСRUМВАTALK 15:33, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for the nice compliments and the nom. I'd rather you just withdraw the request though. Cheers.4meter4 (talk) 05:50, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

No problem. :) If you ever change your mind, let me know. I still think you'd be a good candidate for the right. In the meantime I have withdrawn the request. Avicennasis @ 06:35, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Vandalspaces

Hi, Avicennais, I wanted to know whether the message on Wikipedia_talk:User_pages#Vandalspaces clarified any confusion and intentions I had. Thank you. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 04:02, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks heaps

I hope I'm on the right and "on" board this time ,-) Thank u heaps for help with my CCP's sheet! Luv from here.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gasuser (talkcontribs) 19:20, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

No prob. Glad to be of assistance. If you need anything down the road, feel free to ask. :) Avicennasis @ 19:29, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

sd-f8 tagging

Hi Avicennasis: I have been declining some of your F8 taggings for example on File:Sarcophagus Battle Relief.JPG, as the commons page has incorrect license or attribution on it. In some cases different authors are claiming it as their own, PD changing to GFDL, or GFDL changing to PD, or GFDL with no attribution given. All those GFDLs are now CC-BY-SA-3.0 requiring an attribution, which should be correct. Perhaps you can go and fix the commons page as part of the effort. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:15, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I have been checking back on them by looking at my contribs in file namespace, and I did see a few that were declined. Most of them were bot moves to commons, which transfers everything, including the proper tag. However, it seems I did hit a few that were not assisted moves, and that seems to be the conflict here. I will try to reconcile the two different licenses when I see them, although probably with a good deal of help from the Commons community. Changing copyright tags is kind of intimidating for me, but I am sure I'll get the hang of properly handling these. Avicennasis @ 16:30, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Yeah this can be tricky as you will have to determine who actually owns the copyright and respect their wishes. Sometimes you find that two apparently differnt users on commons and en.w are the same user! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 06:27, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks for the response. I am very grateful you will help with the rewriting of the MigreLief page. Not sure I have the hang of this I hope you get this message. If you have trouble reaching me, my email address is (removed for privacy. Peter) Thanks again! Sally Sallybass (talk) 07:38, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

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Hello, Just wanted to touch basis and see if you were still willing to work on the MigreLief article. Thank you. Sincerely, Sally Bass Sallybass (talk) 03:29, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

I replied to your email. :) Avicennasis @ 17:02, 2 Av 5770 / 13 July 2010 (UTC)

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Hi! I noticed that you started to review files that is now on Commons. Nice :-) However, I noticed that files on Commons still has the "BotMoveToCommons" template on. You can see here what a good review includes. --MGA73 (talk) 13:07, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Didn't see that page before - assuming the "review" part was simply "Yep, it's on Commons, alright". :) I'm sure I overlooked it somehow, but I'll be making a note from now on for this. Avicennasis @ 06:29, 16 Av 5770 / 27 July 2010 (UTC)

ויקימילון סרדו

שלום, אני רציתי להודות לך על עזרתך בויקימילון סרדו. אני החלתי לכתוב אותו לפני שנה בערך, אבל אין לי זמן להמשיך מהר. אני משוכנע שויקימילון כזה ממש חשוב, כי סרדו שפה שמרנית ומעניינת מאוד, אבל לדאבוני היא הולכת ונעלמת. תודה רבה לך, כל טוב --Henriku (talk) 14:03, 22 July 2010 (UTC),

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Recommendation to seek autoreviewer/autopatrolled rights

Given the high amount of good articles you've been creating, I'd recommend you to seek getting the above right either now or at some point in the future (if you don't yet meet the suggested criteria) (nevermind, you definitely do). It would certainly make the burden on newpages patrollers such as myself easier. Thanks for editing! elektrikSHOOS 07:14, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Ah, I hadn't even thought of that. I'll check the requirements and apply if I meet them. Thanks for the suggestion! :) Avicennasis @ 07:17, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Saint Paul's Episcopal Church (Lee's Sunnit, Missouri)

Hi, you created a very short stub at the above typoed spelling. Saint Paul's Episcopal Church (Lee's Summit, Missouri) already exists as a somewhat larger stub. LadyofShalott 09:07, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Ah. I was creating redlinks from National Register of Historic Places listings in Missouri, Counties J–K, so the redlink I followed must have been typo'd and my tired eyes didn't catch it. Thanks for the heads up and and the redirect. :) Avicennasis @ 09:14, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Hey, that's funny! I just fixed the typo of Sunnit vs. Summit in the National Register of Historic Places listings in Jackson County, Missouri section of that page. This time, it seems like there was just a typo by an NRHP editor (I dunno, hope it wasn't me). For other NRHP items, there's sometimes a typo in the NRHP's NRIS database system, in which case a report mentioning that at wp:NRIS info issues MO or similar for a different state would be appreciated. But nothing to fix or report here, I think. Cheers, --doncram (talk) 06:15, 4 August 2010 (UTC)


Ah, silly me. Thanks.

ps- nice page noice, i can actually read it ;)Lihaas (talk) 20:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Username warning

I just saw the warning that you put on my Discussion page in June. I'm not representing any group, company, or website. When I was creating my Wikipedia page, the usernames that I tried had already been used, so I decided to make my username the title of the first book I saw, which happened to be a book called The Golden Concise Encyclopedia of Mammals. Thus, my username has no practical meaning.Thegoldenconciseencyclopediaofmammals (talk) 00:24, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

No problem. I was just following up on this report to Wikipedia:Usernames for administrator attention. However, being that your edits have not been promotional in any way, there was no need for further action. :) Thanks for your contributions. Avicennasis @ 05:11, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

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Instead of making this edit, it would be great if you could just remove the template. The Pp-pending template is currently being orphaned and will be deleted very soon. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:06, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

In fact, if you have some spare time, it would be great if you could help remove these (see WP:TFD/H). Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Doing... Will update when AvicAWB is done. :) Avicennasis @ 16:31, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 Done, At least with all the transclusions. Wasn't sure what to do with the rest. Avicennasis @ 22:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

The Duck Face

I have been trying to create a page on Wikipedia for "the duck face," but it sends me a reply when I do so that I am vandalizing the page. Can someone please help me?

Currently the page for "duck face" redirects to the page for "gurn," but it shouldn't do this because a "gurn" is a completely different thing. The gurn involves looking savage like a dog, but a duck face isn't like that.

This is my definition for "the duck face," and I would appreciate someone's assistance in effectively editing the page so that people do not group this in with being a "gurn."

The duck face is a term used to describe the face made when a person, lips together, props up his nose with his mouth. The mouth then rises and scrunches up - and out - under the nose to resemble the bill of a duck.

George Loomis —Preceding unsigned comment added by GeorgeLoomis3 (talkcontribs) 04:53, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) George - do you have any sources for this explanation of the term, and ideally some which would indicate that is more notable than a simple dictionary definition? Thanks.  7  04:56, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
I see that George has decided to take this idea to AfC - Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Duck Face. I don't think it's really a viable page, but I will want for another editor to make the call, since I am already a bit involved. :) Avicennasis @ 05:18, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
I see he made a good attempt at collecting some sources for duck face. However it's still just a neologism and not suitable for Wikipedia. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:01, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
PS, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Duck face. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:08, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Easily Manipulated Mechanical Arm


I just noticed you reverted some edits on the page Easily Manipulated Mechanical Arm.

I have it on my watch list and I thought the edits were ok - did I miss something ?

Chaosdruid (talk) 22:22, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Nope. You didn't miss anything, but it seems I might have. Looks like I hit the wrong button in Igloo (Revert instead of Skip). I have reverted my revert. :) Thanks for the heads up! Avicennasis @ 22:29, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
No probs :¬) I thought it might have been because of the large amount of text removed - but the editor did put in a lot to start with and then cut it right down.
Chaosdruid (talk) 22:35, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Yep. Double-checked my logs - this edit is what triggered the red "vandalism" alert, and I hadn't seen the new edit. Looking at all three edits, however, seems fine. I retracted the warning statement on the user's page. :) Hopefully I didn't scare them off. Avicennasis @ 23:03, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

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TfD nomination of Template:Source moved to RfD

I saw that you nominated Template:Source for deletion. Since this was a template redirect, the discussion should take place at WP:RfD, not WP:TfD. I have moved the debate to Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 August 10 accordingly. Grondemar 04:40, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Thanks for the heads-up. :) Avicennasis @ 05:18, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Aghdara (town)

Hello, why did you removed protection from Aghdara (town), when it was clearly protected by other moderator due it should be renamed after de-jure not de-facto--NovaSkola (talk) 15:08, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Assuming you mean this edit, I didn't remove the actual page protection - I just removed the tag that said it was protected, because at that time it wasn't protected, so the tag was not accurate. If you feel this page should be protected, please feel free to ask at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. :) Hope that helps to explain my edit. Avicennasis @ 00:46, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Proper editing formats

I made a "minor edit" to the page "Christian Deism"; adding links and a single sentence.

How do I (or anyone) format the links properly?

B. Hebert —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brhebert (talkcontribs) 04:14, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

I removed all but three links, and formatted a fourth into a reference. I'll explain why.
These links:
all fail WP:SELFPUBLISH, which states: "Anyone can create a website or pay to have a book published, then claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason self-published media—including but not limited to books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, personal or group blogs, Internet forum postings, and tweets—are largely not acceptable.
Self-published material may in some circumstances be acceptable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications."
This link became the reference: I changed some of the wording slightly, and added a few more catergories. you can see what all I changed in this diff. I also added project banners for Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion and Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity on the talk page, which has added this article to the categories Unassessed Religion articles and Unassessed Christianity articles. That will notify the members of those projects to take a look at this article and help clean it up further. :) If you need any more help or want me to clarify anything, please feel free to ask. Avicennasis @ 06:48, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Removing stub tags on novels

You have been removing a number of stub tags from Novels articles that have been assessed as stubs without changing the assessment on the talk page, this makes it harder for the project to synchronize the stub categories and the assessment. Please change the article assessment if you identify such issues. Sadads (talk) 18:15, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

I am assuming you are referring to edits like this one to Blood Promise (novel)? If you mean the talk page assessment for Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels, could you please point me to the projects stub guidelines? The page seems longer than a stub to me, although there is no set length for this.
Also, assessment tags have their own value - If I remove a stub tab that also removes a page from Category:Novel stubs, it's no big deal. The assessment tag on the talk page still has that novel in Category:Stub-Class novel articles, which would be ideal for a project to work on. It's really a simple process. Compare categories - find pages that in the second category that are not in the first category, and you have a list of articles needing reassessed. This is why most WikiProjects have their own categories. I generally don't reassess articles for WikiProjects I am not a member of.
A much better idea, in my humble opinion, would be to change the talk page assessment rather than just reverting an edit and putting back a stub article into a article that doesn't really seem stubby. I was going to point out this edit to you, where you added a stub tag back onto quite a large page, but a glance at your talk page shows someone already mentioned it. :) Hope this helps you in some fashion and explains my actions. Avicennasis @ 21:10, 4 Elul 5770 / 14 August 2010 (UTC)
I am approaching it in the other direction, adding stub tags to pages that are already assessed, because most of them are stubs then are not. In this way, I get responses on my talk page when articles are not assessed correctly - the handful that are truelly not stubs. I see no objection to you updating Novels project assessments (as you will see in my edit comments), Novels does not have the manpower to reassess the 2500+ that don't have stub tags, this activates the users that watch/have interest in the page yet have neglected to update the article's assessment. Sadads (talk) 00:01, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Nothing is going to break if the tags don't match. Stubs are a few sentences, and these articles are more than that. If you feel AWB should ignore that based on talk page assessments, please feel free to request that feature. Until then, if the article seems longer than stub, I will continue to remove said stub tag. I won't revert your reverts, but I do pull articles from random locations which I then pre-parse, so it may be possible I'll have a few of those in the mix.
Also, I think a good deal of the articles you re-add stub tags to don't deserve it, but since no one watches it, they don't see the change and so they don't mention it on your talk page. (Or just don't care enough to get into a discussion with you about it.) Assuming the tags belong based on lack of feedback may not be the best way to go with this. Nieher is forcing editors to reassess every page to justify said stub tag removal. You name does appear on the members list for WikiProject Novels - perhaps your time could be better spent performing the reassessments rather than asking others to do it? If you want, I would be happy to compare the categories above and try to make a list for you to go over. :) Avicennasis @ 00:25, 5 Elul 5770 / 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Nevermind, I made not only one, but two lists for you and your WikiProject to mull over, should you desire to. :) They can be found at User:Avicennasis/reports/WP:Novel List. Remember: The WikiProject exist to make sure the page contains the correct data and tags for the encyclopedia article. The encyclopedia article does not exist to make sure the tags match the (outdated) assessment. In short - fix the assessment, don't re-add a stub tag, to correct these errors. Avicennasis @ 06:15, 5 Elul 5770 / 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, Sadads (talk) 14:41, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

wp display bug / helpme

Thanks. (That's what I was unable to locate.) Most appreciated. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 16:58, 15 August 2010 (UTC)


Information.svg Welcome to Wikipedia. I would just like to remind you in a friendly way not to remove the information header at the Wikipedia sandbox, and other sandboxes, or make any other inappropriate edits, such as adding libelous, offensive, or copyrighted material. You are free to test your editing skills there, but please follow the instructions stated on the page. Good luck with your editing and thank you for your co-operation. Hazard-SJ Talk 21:28, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

I assume this is a joke. :) Either way, I find it funny. Avicennasis @ 21:30, 5 Elul 5770 / 15 August 2010 (UTC)

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The project Stubsensor was a project started and populated by User:Triddle, he left Wikipedia in 2008 and I closed the down the project after a brief discussion with him. There is a good foundation if you want to get it up and going again. Probably would need to move it to a project name space like Wikipedia:WikiProject Stubsensor. It is a good project for new users to learn on. Jeepday (talk) 23:10, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

This is interesting. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that that source code is listed, so I will have to find my own way to try and compile the list. Not out of the question... I think I can get AutoWikiBrowser to help out at least in some parts. I currently have it crunching through 57,000+ stubs, so we'll see. :) I'll also look into WikiProject Unreferenced articles to see if I can lend a hand to that gigantic backlog. Avicennasis @ 23:58, 12 Elul 5770 / 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Sounds great :) JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 10:44, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Turns out, User:Magnus Manske has a script that can help out very nicely. I had it run through 1 level of subcategories from Category:Stub categories, checking for all pages over 10kb. The results are at User:Avicennasis/StubList. I've looked over a few of these, and they all seem to be just that - large pages with stub tags. Do you think this is enough to get the Stubsensor project running again, or should these pass through a second filter of some sort? Avicennasis @ 04:14, 16 Elul 5770 / 26 August 2010 (UTC)
Looks good just like it is. JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 10:32, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
I have Wikipedia:WikiProject Stubsensor set up but am having a problem breaking up the list at User:Avicennasis/StubList can you break them into five hundreds? I you can put just the article names in the sub pages of Wikipedia:WikiProject Stubsensor/20100826 I can break them into groups of 20 folling the format used at User:Triddle/stubsensor/20070716/1. Jeepday (talk) 11:33, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 Done with 1 through 14 for the subpages. Total count from User:Avicennasis/StubList came to 6666 pages. :) Avicennasis @ 13:18, 18 Elul 5770 / 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Up and running at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stubsensor/20100826, posted at Template:Active Wiki Fixup Projects. JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 18:07, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Template protection.

Ah, I used a script for that, forgot about the noinclusion. Sigh, so much to remember after a two year partial retirement. >.< Thanks mate, I'll stop screwing that up. Cheers, · Andonic Contact 07:29, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Glad to hear that you are back. :) Avicennasis @ 01:31, 16 Elul 5770 / 26 August 2010 (UTC)

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A diff for your consideration: [6] Hesperian 00:35, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Ah, blast. Facepalm Facepalm I did hit quite a few of these, commented out sections that WP:AWB didn't catch. I thought I had stopped all of these, but it seems like a few may have gotten past my radar. I'll take more care in the future. :) thanks for the heads up! Avicennasis @ 01:31, 16 Elul 5770 / 26 August 2010 (UTC)

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For doing work I don't fully understand on protection templates. It looked very tedious. bodnotbod (talk) 23:56, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Wow, Thanks! :) I've copied it to User:Avicennasis/Awards. :)Avicennasis @ 06:50, 28 Elul 5770 / 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Could you please explain...

You nominated a numerous long standing and important images for deletion.

Could you please explain what's the problem with them. IQinn (talk) 00:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

It's not that the files are corrupt, but the file and description page is on Commons. As such, these images should be categorized there, not here. See this discussion for more background regarding the matter. — ξxplicit 01:21, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
You want to keep the pages and just remove the Category:Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse as it has been done recently? I think there is no good reason or consensus why these pages should not have this category. - IQinn (talk) 01:58, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
(edit conflict) The reason this is done is because, basically, there's no point to categorize them both here and at Commons, as it doubles the work. {{Commons cat}} exists to be placed in the related category here on to link to the category at Commons for easy navigation of the files there. There is a general consensus to do this as noted in the link above, the problem is the wording of F2, as it's not specific enough. Maybe that should be worked on... — ξxplicit 02:19, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm agreeing with Iqinn and declining all these speedy noms. It's OK for a Commons image to have a non-empty description page here, e.g. for featured pictures we categorise here and not on Commons. If you don't think the images should be categorised as they are on this wiki, then your beef is with the category category:Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse and not the images; you should complain here instead. (talk) 02:13, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, there are exceptions to the rule, but as far as I'm aware, those exceptions are only featured and values pictures. The categories themselves have never been the problem, especially when the categories aren't even file-specific. — ξxplicit 02:19, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Well I just checked the wording of CSD F2. It allows non-empty description pages for all Commons images, not just some. Even if the enwiki description page contains only "asdfgfhgfh4325" it would not be deletable under this criteria. (But my example would be deletable as "test page"). CSD F2 is very very rarely used. I've just declined another one of your F2 noms on File:Porta Asinaria Facade from within the city walls.JPG, please review your own noms under CSD F2 as I don't think it'd be polite for me to. (talk) 02:33, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Briefly - The image and all it's descriptions and categories are at Commons, and I've never seen a need to duplicate the work here. I have nominated hundreds of files for the same reason, in the same matter, and most have been deleted without problem. VPC's and the like I have left alone - I try to aim only for simple categories or test pages. I would hazard a guess that every single one of those images can be found via one of the articles in the same (or sub) category. Just because we can put something in a category doesn't mean we should. However, if there is a community consensus to keep such pages, I will happy change my ways. :) (As a side note for anyone who may be confused: I have no intent to delete the images themselves, only the local page.) Avicennasis @ 02:41, 28 Elul 5770 / 7 September 2010 (UTC)
  • "The image and all it's descriptions and categories are at Commons, and I've never seen a need to duplicate the work here." - Wrong, e.g. compare File:Im With Coco.jpg (cat by show, here) and commons:File:Im With Coco.jpg (cat by actor, commons). Having a description page on enwiki lets us keep different stuff here than on commons where it might not be useful.
  • "I have nominated hundreds of files for the same reason, in the same matter, and most have been deleted without problem." - And if I didn't tell you, hundreds more would have been deleted. Hundreds of wrongs don't make a right. :)
  • "if there is a community consensus to keep such pages, I will happy change my ways" - There is. The wording of CSD F2 doesn't permit deletion of non-empty Commons image pages: "...This also includes empty (i.e., no content) image description pages for Commons images." Categories also count as content. (talk) 02:59, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Quite alright. But since I can't see my own deleted content, perhaps you or some other admin could look at my prior file deletions and make sure those other admins are clear as well? The other problem is where one might get their wording, and thus understanding, to CSD#F2. On Wikipedia:CSD, it states what you quoted above: "includes empty (i.e., no content) image description page". However, reading the wording from Template:Db-f2: "This file may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion as a corrupt or empty file, or a file description page for a file on Commons. " So, it's clear that one can read the same policy two different ways. I think the working may need changed on the template, so as better to reflect the policy at Wikipedia:CSD. :) Avicennasis @ 03:24, 28 Elul 5770 / 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Yes, you're right. Silly me forgot non-admins cannot review your deleted F2 nominations. :( Since I'll be going offline real soon, I've posted on ANI here for other admins to follow up. I've also changed {{db-f2}} to add "empty" next to "Commons". Thanks for your heads-up. :) (talk) 03:43, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
I think than in most cases there should not be a description page on en-wiki where the file is on Commons. Exceptions might be DYK etc. (we could probably add that to Commons but that is a different story). I think there is no need to review the F2 nominations because admins should check before they delete. As for the Category:Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse I see no reason why we should have images categorized both here and on Commons. Commons has 125 files in that category and enwiki only 12. So IF you really thought it is needed to have duplicate categories then you should add the missing 100+ files. But as I said I think it is not a good idea to duplicate the work. If you want to help categorize images there is a lot of work to be done on Commons. --MGA73 (talk) 07:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

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Because you participated in Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Some Person/The Real Secret Page and Secret Barnstar, you may be interested in Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Secret pages 2. Cunard (talk) 06:27, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. :) Avicennasis @ 14:07, 4 Tishrei 5771 / 12 September 2010 (UTC)

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We're starting to get into the busy part of the semester for Online Ambassadors, and we want to check in and see how you're doing, what your opinions about where we are now, and any feedback you may have.

Please answer these questions either on my talk page or send them to me by email.

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Mentoring students

Per recent discussions on the Ambassadors list, we're going to try out assigning mentors to some of the students that don't have one, beginning with Media, Politics & Power in the Digital Age. Would you be willing to mentor User:PursuitOfPublicHealth, User:lemp2507 and User:Edmypassion?

If so, please introduce yourself to each of them, perhaps along these lines:

"Hi! I'm Avicennasis, and I've been assigned as your mentor. (If you'd rather choose your own mentor or don't want one, just let me know; you can request a different mentor from this list of Online Ambassadors.)

I'll keep an eye on your edits as you work on Wikipedia for your class, and try to pitch in where I can. If you'd like any help or advice, please let me know."

After that, don't forget to update Wikipedia:Online Ambassadors/Mentors to list your mentees, and if you've reached your limit, move your entry down to the "additional ambassadors" section.--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 19:00, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

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When are you going to use Huggle again? WAYNEOLAJUWON 22:48, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I don't have nearly as much time as I used to for Wikipedia (much to my own sadness.) Is there an expiration date on Huggle approval or somesuch that I missed? :) Just curious. Avicennasis @ 23:32, 29 Cheshvan 5771 / 6 November 2010 (UTC)
No, but there is a discussion on WP:Huggle/Feedback. :) WAYNEOLAJUWON 23:34, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Ah. Noted. I'll try to find some time to read over it later, and fire up the old Huggle. :) Thanks, Avicennasis @ 00:04, 30 Cheshvan 5771 / 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Your welcome. :) WAYNEOLAJUWON 02:08, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks for the heads up. :) Avicennasis @ 17:05, 21 Kislev 5771 / 28 November 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks for the notice. I'll head over and see what I can get done shortly. :) Avicennasis @ 17:04, 21 Kislev 5771 / 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Mentor needed. FInal push for USPP Program.

Avicennasis. I am Al-Jahweri and I am part of this wikipedia initiative for Georgetown University. I am wrapping up my project and need some help in these last couple of days. Can you help and mentor? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Al-Jahweri (talkcontribs) 07:11, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi! Sorry for the delay - turkey day took me away for a bit. I would glad to offer help in any way I can. :) Just let me know what you need! Avicennasis @ 17:00, 21 Kislev 5771 / 28 November 2010 (UTC)

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Incorrectly subst'd templates

Notability is longer that you think! Rich Farmbrough, 23:14, 29 November 2010 (UTC).

Oh, bother. How did I not catch that? :) Thanks for the heads up. Avicennasis @ 01:54, 23 Kislev 5771 / 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Article of Criticism on Story of an Hour

Hi Avicennasis,

I am working on adding a summary of an article I found that critiqued the Story of an Hour. I would really like to add this to the section of Criticism. If you can help me in any way or just look at what I come up with that would be great and definitely appreciated.

Thank You! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Am8zinglysw33t (talkcontribs) 18:55, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

I would be happy to help! Have you added the summary anywhere to Wikipedia yet? I don't see much by looking at your contributions. If you haven't added it to Wikipedia yet, you can lay out a rough draft in your sandbox. :) Just let me know. Avicennasis @ 20:25, 26 Kislev 5771 / 3 December 2010 (UTC)

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Planning for next term in the Wikipedia Ambassador Program

Hi Avicennasis. We're trying to figure out how many students we can mentor next term and how many additional Online Ambassadors will be needed. Based on the revised plan for what participating courses will be like next term, I've sketched out what will be expected of mentors. Please look that over, and then go to the online ambassadors talk page to indicate much mentoring and other ambassador activities you'd like to do next term. Thanks!--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 18:05, 8 December 2010 (UTC)


Thank you so much! Badita (talk) 06:13, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Mentor for team of students

Hi, my name is James Fullerton, and I'm a teacher at Southern Lehigh Middle School in PA. Recently I've created a project that involves Wikipedia (WP) and small groups of students making a contribution to a WP article of their choosing, as long as the topic is related to the content of the course - being American Government, Civics, and Economics. For the past 4 weeks, students have become involved in the culture of WP, with many already narrowing in on a topic for their contribution. Here is the supportive material on Wikispaces ( Your assistance would be greatly appreciated! Would you be available to act as a mentor to a small group of students as they begin to offer additional content to an article of their interest? The team sizes are numbered between 5-7 students each. I will notify you as to who is in the teams with their WP user names. Jmfullerton (talk) 17:35, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

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Hello, Avicennasis. You have new messages at your commons talk page.

Hello! Could you do me a favor? I uploaded two images but they had a great time, and this made the ugly images, so I uploaded two new ones, without the date (the date seemed like a watermark). Could delete the two old? Are File:RafaelBittencourtFortal.JPG and File:EduFalaschiLiveInGuitar.JPG. Thanks.... MetalBrasil (talk) 15:59, 14 December 2010 (UTC)


Hi. Can I ask that you take a bit of care when using this item? Several of the items you've tagged are not available under the same name on commons, but under a different name. If the image still has links, that will simply not do. Now I have a bot that can do delinking (which I could easily link to a javascript you could use), but I'd only feel comfortable giving it to a non-admin with community consensus at WP:AN. FYI. Thanks. Magog the Ogre (talk) 04:39, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

My apologizes. It's been a bit since I've done file work on EnWp, so I'm not at my best. I'll be more careful from now on, though - thank you for the heads up. :) Avicennasis @ 17:33, 13 Tevet 5771 / 20 December 2010 (UTC)

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