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BS Icons[edit]

I originally asked for that icon to be created for the Headcorn & Maidstone Junction Light Railway article, as I was going to show the portion not actually built as dotted red, hence the need for the icon. As I said on the talk page, the more icons the better, as it gives greater flexibility, particularly when dealing with multiple gauges of track or multiple railway companies in the same diagram. All it needs is for the alternative use to be clearly displayed on the diagram so nobody is confused as to what is being represented. Mjroots (talk) 15:56, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Everyone else uses the light red lines for planned/not actually built tracks, why not you? Everyone uses the dashed line to indicate a subsurface track, why do you invent other meanings?
The viewer get's confused if you use the icons in your very own manner, even if you add a legend at the end – then it's too late, should be in top to prepare the viewer for what will follow! Axpde (talk) 16:14, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, so how do I differentiate between an open line, a line that was open and is now closed and a planned (but not built) line then? I invented other meanings because it was necessary to invent them to adequately convey the information. This has also meant the creation of a few new icons along the way. Mjroots (talk) 18:42, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

There is by design only one set for tracks that are in use, and one set for track which aren't (no matter whether they have been in use before or going to be in future). An normally there is no need to differ between former and future use, and please don't forget that there's a text column too, where you can add all information you think the view may need! Axpde (talk) 18:58, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

So, how would you handle the Réseau des Bains de Mer then? You have to fit in Standard Gauge (open), Standard Gauge (closed), Dual Gauge (open), Metre Gauge (open) and Metre Gauge (closed). Some adaptation of the standard symbols is definately needed there! Mjroots (talk) 19:32, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

It's should be ok to use set blue set for metre gauge (many trams use metre gauge, so it shouldn't be too confusing), and the red set – of course – represents normal gauge. The main problem in this box is how to show the dual gauge. Three ideas:
  1. Just use the red set as well, with additional comments on the right column.
  2. Use two parallel lines (red/blue), again with additional comments.
  3. BSicon STR.svg
    BSicon utSTR.svg

just an idea ... Axpde (talk) 18:27, 1 December 2008 (UTC)


I note you have rotated WASSER by 90 degrees, which is now a duplicate of HWASSER, whilst creating WASSERq for the horizontal water symbol. What is your intention with HWASSER used here which is currently a vertical symbol. Following the convention used for horizontal lines, I would have thought you should have user HWASSER for horizontal (as with HSTR, HLUECKE, etc). --Stewart (talk | edits) 22:57, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Talking about convention: It says clearly that modifying characters are lower case, and those modifiers concerning directions are all suffixes (like: a, e, l, r). You see HWASSER is breaking those conventions, thus I didn't reuse this ID. And there are STRq, BHFq, HSTq, etc. as well ... speaking of STRq and HSTq: Is HSTR a modified HST or a modified STR? What if someone wants a HSTr but for some reason I can reproduce quite easily (typing faster than one can look ;-) the "r" appears to be big. No red link 'cause the icon exists, but not that one he wants. And maybe he doesn't notice it ... You see, the big 'H' makes things ambiguous ...
The other reason is rather practical: I already started to exchange all occurances of WASSER to WASSERq where needed (in Template:Channel Tunnel the vertical water looks even better IMHO :) that's quite some work to do. At the moment I change at least all templates so now I have to wait for all transclusions to be updated. But I don't need to change HWASSER as well (ok, by chance I did it), all we have to do is make HWASSER a redirect to WASSER and everything's fine! Axpde (talk) 23:17, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
"Convention" What convention? Do as you please is what WP says, uppercase H occurs in many icon names to give a horizontal picture (eg HLUECKE) but it does not always mean that. The last thing one should do, I would have thought, would be to rename a widely used icon (unless perhaps still linking in an old cumbersome name). Just consider, as an example of where a tidy-upper could create boundless chaos, the utter ambiguity of left and right, some are as seen by a driver going down the map, some are as seen by the reader. As for "changing all WASSER to WASSERq being quite some work to do" it's easy Copy the whole template text to an editing program (eg MS word) and replace all WASSER with WASSERq at a stroke, copy back into the template. Does the suffix "q" have a true De foundation?--SilasW (talk) 21:09, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
"What convention?"Every convention!
Not only the german original site, every english page (e.g. Wikipedia:Route_diagram_template/Catalog_of_pictograms) states clearly that only the name of the POI is uppercase, any modifying character is lowercase (as long as they are unambiguous). Furthermore all modifiers regarding direction are used as suffix, such as f, g, r, l, a or e!
I don't know who started the nonsense with the uppercase 'H'-prefix, but I already substituted all those wrong named icons by new ones. As said elsewhere, WP claims to be an encyclopaedia, if someone introduced an error someone has to erased it.
And meanwhile I already checked and corrected every occurance of WASSER and HWASSER in German and English WP (of course using an external text editor when reasonable), so the two biggest projects have been cleared!
Conc. you last Q, the 'q'-suffix to indicate "quer" (qrossways) tracks is used in German WP at least since April 2007. Axpde (talk) 21:50, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

North London Line[edit]

I am not sure what you intended to do but your "minor edit" seems to have thrown the layout of the article (which had the text at the side of the infobox and line diagram) into mild chaos. Could you provide enlightenment?--SilasW (talk) 20:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

The wiki-pp has a problem when transcluded templates have been altered. The old version of the template will be presented as long as the page has not been edited. Adding or removing a single character is sufficient to force the wiki-pp to load the the new version. So when I have do an edit I tried to make the source code a bit more "readable".
The problem you mentioned had two reasons:
  1. The wiki-pp regards commented lines as empty, thus two empty lines in a row caused a large gap.
  2. The transcluded template had a little layout mistake adding another empty line where it wasn't expected causing the gap to grow huge.
Usually there's no real problem about this, but in this special case, the hug gap showed up at the very beginning of the article. I fixed both errors, the page looks fine again! Axpde (talk) 21:20, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
The quirks of WP depend on so many hidden things. Man müsst immer Vorschau zeigen.--SilasW (talk) 21:38, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Substituting ....q icons for H... ones[edit]

Fair enough if you wish to take on the task of changing all prefix H, for horizontal, icons to q-suffixed ones but it would be easier on other editors if your summary were to indicate that, rather than the bland "icons". Something such as "Hicons > iconsq" should say it all unless you also make some other edit.--SilasW (talk) 20:07, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, when doing dozens of edits I prefer typing a rather short comment ... the diff says the rest ;-) Greets Axpde (talk) 20:28, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Please refer to my comment at Wikipedia_talk:Route_diagram_template#Design_standards.2C_perhaps.3F and respond before continuing with this changing of icons, thankyou. --AlisonW (talk) 16:13, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

More BS color[edit]

In case you are unaware of this... please take a look ru:Шаблон:Правобережная линия/Temp. There're also some black counterpart. I don't want to make any misunderstanding between Dinamik so this should be discussed earlier... -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 22:26, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I already mentioned and informed my friends in German WP. And along with most German editors I don't say anything about those eye cancer supporting rainbow colored somethings - as long as they keep the red set untouched! Axpde (talk) 00:28, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
I understand. I will remain silent as long as no one make it "public". -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 00:50, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Most of us are living in a free world, and it's our beloved philosophy that everyone is allowed to do whatever he desires as long as he doesn't harm anyone or anything else (knowing that only very few people are able to act as one wants it to be universal law, Immanuel Kant). It's not up to anyone (incl. George W. Bush ;-) to forbit rainbow colored icons, as long as noone uses iconnames we need ;-) Axpde (talk) 13:50, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Rail transport in Germany project[edit]

Hi Axpde. I see you have been doing some good work on various German railway articles. Would you join the small but growing band on the Germany rail transport project? It doesn't mean you have to do anything other than what you're already doing, but it's good to be able to join forces. Gruß Bermicourt (talk) 17:57, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Somehow I just have a "deja vu" ... you already told me about it, didn't you? I just can't remember where you wrote me ... was it commons? ... or somewhere in DE?? Axpde (talk) 18:21, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Edit summaries[edit]

It would be more helpful if you were to say in your edit summary the change you made, eg, if it were the case, "H icons > q" rather than "fixed icons" which might mean you redrew some imperfect icon or perhaps substituted a Krossing for an inhereted Bruecke and so on and so on.--SilasW (talk) 17:48, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

If I change some icons to a different look, I call that "routing correction" or "track correction", i.e. it's not the icon itself that matters. At the moment I'm correcting the name of icons thus "fixing icon errors". axpdeHello! 19:40, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Do as you fancy. Could you issue a glossary of What Axpde Means by This and That and The Other, instead of the recommended saying what the edit was?--SilasW (talk) 19:54, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
There's no need for a glossary, the comments of my edits gives an exact summary of what I did. Btw. could you explain what exactly meant by "Reply to I do as I please." – I'm no native english speaker but I doubt that this is correct English ... axpdeHello! 21:12, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

ICE T to Zürich and Vieanna[edit]

Ok ... I've been taking the ICE T to Zürich a lot and it was always an ICE T. There is also an ICE 1 coming from Munich, ok. But to Vienna there is only the ICE T going. To make the article more readable I changed both. Data can be found here: MrFelicity (talk) 14:15, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia Talk pages[edit]

Wikipedia:Talk#Editing comments has:

Others' comments

It is not necessary to bring talk pages to publishing standards, so there is no need to correct typing/spelling errors, grammar, etc. It tends to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting--SilasW (talk) 18:07, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'll see what the admins on commons will tell me when I nominate icons still in use on talk pages. I already encountered the situation, that a certain icon was only used once worldwide (in Alisons list of everything), and the admin denied to delete that icon because "it was in scope" ... :(
Believe me I didn't change talk pages just for fun ... Bye axpdeHello! 01:11, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

InterCity / Inter City[edit]

thanks for this. For some unaccountable reason, I overlooked the fact that 'InterCity' was different to 'Inter City' on the disambiguation page.Flying Stag (talk) 15:42, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

hello and thank you[edit]

axpde,i am trying to adapt your icon table to show BSIcon names to my [propsoed] english names, without changing the icon of course.

i've tried to "cut and paste" your "template" [ie; taken an image of your edit page and put it on my sandbox. i can change the table headings, etc. but all i get in the "icon table space" is a lot of red-coloured "BS antleitung"s [??spelling]??.

what i want is this: --four columns headings:

 "full time in use"   [-] or [s] [for "standard]
 "part time in use"   [e]
 "full time proposed" [x]
 "part time proposed" [ex]

--then rows:

 BS-Icon  |STR|j**/n in each of the four columns|then my "EN-Icon" name.

--**or a "y" maybe?

i've picked up the rest from your table; how to do the headings and the like.

help me. please?

Dkpintar (talk) 18:14, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

The red fields are generated by using "n", white fields without icons by a space, with icons by "j", blue fields with icons with "c" (indicating a "copy", i.e. an redirect). What about the headings you asked about?? axpdeHello! 19:43, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Changes to a list of icons[edit]

You latest change says you undid my making ABZlfg (a usable icon) appear in the table.

However comparing the latest three versions of the table:

  • #1 = yours of 3 March,
  • #2 = mine of 13 March,
  • #3 = yours of 14 March

shows 1 to 2 with only my small change
while 2 to 3 throws out that change and has many other changes relating to the mnemonic spelling of "across" as "a'q'ross".

Which spelling is used does not worry me but can you explain how what says it is just a cancelling of my change (which I thought unobjectionable) also incurs those other changes?--SilasW (talk) 11:49, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

First I substituted the ABZlfg icon with the full set of ABZg{|l|r}+{|l|r} icons, then I corrected some descriptions and more ... and finally I forgot to change the summary ... sorry! axpdeHello! 19:36, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
Ahhhh, you copied my table from commons to en-WP! That's why you get not the desired effect when trying to use {{commons:template:BS-anleitung}} ;-) axpdeHello! 19:48, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Changes to Canal Icons[edit]

Hi, I see you have been changing the names of a lot of icons in Template:TandM Canal Route Map and Template:Waterways legend, but there are lots of other waterway templates that have not be changed. Is there a reason for all these changes on these two pages? There was no explanation at Template talk:Waterways legend  Ronhjones  (Talk) 14:56, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm doing this all by hand, one after the other. And I changed a lot of waterway templates today, about 50 I guess, despite the fact that I'm not interested in waterways at all. But you are using BSicons, BS is the German abbreviation of "Bahnstrecke" which is "Railroad" in English. I'm working hard on giving "system" back to the railroad templates, my time doesn't allow to care for other projects (ab- ;-) using the BSicons as well.
But now that you mentioned it, I just dropped a note on that talk page, ok? Take care! axpdeHello! 15:08, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for the answer. Well, good luck. If you have done 50, then there's only 209 more to do.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:31, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Well then ... ;-) Good night! axpdeHello! 23:19, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
I have been through all of the UK Waterways templates and changed the umKRZo, umKRZu and uSTRq icons and their variants to the new names. I will probably create some green variants next, so that the names for used, unused and dismantled waterways match your new scheme. Bob1960evens (talk) 19:57, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
That's wonderful! I already wondered how fast the todolist melted down :)
I have done several maps as well, unfortunaly the articles in which those templates are built in won't refresh instantly and so the software still lists 90 articles, but now I don't know which are "templated" and which use the icon itself :(
Speaking of "set green", I know about the importance on a consistent naming system, in particular not to have prefixes with multiple meanings. Prefixes the railroad templates use are:
  1. 'u' for underground/light railway, color: blue ({{Template:BSu}}-template expects 'u' to come first),
  2. 'e' for erstwhile feature, color: light ({{Template:BSe}}-template expects 'e' to come first, {{Template:BSue}}-template expects 'ue' to come first),
  3. 'x' for expired track, color: light (usually following 'e', 'ex' for icons off use),
  4. 'm' for mixed usage color: red with blue (heavy rail with light rail feature), in cobination with 'u' color: blue with red (light rail with heavy rail feature),
  5. 't' for tunnel track or
  6. 'h' for high level track.
The railroad templates don't need the 'g' as prefix, so feel free to use it. I'd suggest to design a consistent naming scheme for all icons you need first before creating the icons, it's a shipload of work to correct errors afterwards, believe me ;-) If you have questions ... axpdeHello! 20:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
I have now edited all of the waterways templates (and some railway ones too) that had ueSTR/ueSTRrg/ueSTRrf/ueSTRlg/ueSTRlf, and changed them to the uexSTR* icons. As for the green icons, we already had a fairly consistent naming scheme, but some of the blue ones have changed, so I was going to change the green ones to match. Bob1960evens (talk) 22:36, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Your help is highly appreciated, sorry for causing extra work, I will do my very best to minimize your share. I'm using a filter proxy that checks for 150 icons to be exchanged in the moment I start editing, I just have to compare the diffs before saving :)
There are some more substitutions to come later esp. all those "utex" icons, should be "uext" instead ... but there are still 130 obsolete icons to be exchanged first ... but it used be far more than 200 just the weekend ago! *-} Enough done 4 2day, take care! axpdeHello! 23:00, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Your recent edit to Diglis Basin[edit]

You appear to have made this edit to Diglis Basin for no reason other than to remove a blank line, which has had no effect on the page. I ask that in future you do not make such edits, as it pointlessly fills peoples watchlists. Also the edit summary was inaccurate, you may wish to consider this in future edits. Thanks Jenuk1985 | Talk 22:24, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, was an accident, should have been an empty edit to force the reread of some templates I change today! Neither the amount of changes nor the summary satisfies my usual standards! I think I need some sleep, good night ;-) axpdeHello! 22:32, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Take a look at Help:Job queue, there is no need to make empty edits to update templates. Jenuk1985 | Talk 22:35, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Yep, I know. Unfortunaly this job Q take some time ... there were about 100 articles list by CheckUsage, most of them would have cleared in some days, but there were some articles I had to edit anyway, because the BSicons are used directly by them ... but I had no idea which ones I needed to alter and which not ... so I edited all! I wanted to finish today ... well yesterday in fact ;-) Maybe I find my bed in the next some minutes ... hours ... :( axpdeHello! 22:54, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Template:IND Queens Boulevard Line[edit]


I noticed you have been fixing icons in the New York City Subway Templates. Thank you!

One visual error I see is in the Queens Blvd Template... uABZdl
It is visible on the third line from the bottom (IND Sixth Ave Line). It doesn't line up with the next lines above and below. Can you fix this?

Acps110 (talk) 22:12, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

For unknown reason this icon uses wrong circles, I exchanged it by a suitable one! Happy Easter days! axpdeHello! 08:20, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Looks great! Acps110 (talk) 08:39, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms/straight tracks[edit]

What DAMM, DAMMq, CUT,CUTq is in the table "basis", and DAMMa, DAMMe, CUTa, CUTe in table "Miscellaneous infrastructure" to you does not disturb?Andrey! 04:38, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, yes, it's not logical, on the other hand I am filled with work on other details ... and now I hope to get some (WP-)stressless Easter days! :) axpdeHello! 08:03, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Well, we will postpone this question now. I can and itself I will reach.--Andrey! 07:43, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Problem with km/h ↔ mph[edit]

Axpde, Satisfactory results may be obtained by 200 km/h (124 mph) or 200 km/h (124 mph). If more precision may be "required" or requested. try 200 km/h (124.3 mph), 200 km/h (124.27 mph) or 200 km/h (124.3 mph), 200 km/h (124.27 mph). One only needs to "play" with |0|, |1|, |2| etc. etc. or |sigfig=3|, |sigfig=4|, |sigfig=5| etc. etc. See the note which I added at the end of Template talk:convert#Problem with km/h ↔ mph. Peter Horn 15:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Yep, I already heard about the "|0|" option, although I still don't understand, why I have to place an additional parameter to have an exact version :( axpdeHello! 18:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms[edit]

Please, let's synchronise our work on the list of pictograms! It is the general work and I would like to discuss it on page Wikipedia talk:Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms#Current work (2009). Your help is very necessary to me - I do not know language and I do not try to compose at all the signature for icons.--Andrey! 04:35, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: btw[edit]

Do you want me just to change "ueCONT#" with "uexCONT#" and "utexCONT#" with "uextCONT#", or all the "ue" and "utex" prefixes in general? Plus we better ask for consensus at WT:RDT/C first, I'm in enough hot water already ... ChrisDHDR 08:12, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

There is no need to ask for consensus, the prefix "utex" simply breaks the original naming scheme (and during the last three years en-WP wasn't able to set up an own naming scheme), "u" has to come first (if applicable), next "e" to make the {{BSue}}-template work. The same naming also says "ex" for a track completely off use, which was obeyed with "exCONT#", so "ueCONT#" hast to be renamed to "uexCONT#".
Plus there is no need for a threesome rename rotation! Just rename "ueCONTl" to "uexCONTr" and "ueCONTr" to "uexCONTl"! axpdeHello! 16:26, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Templates for BMT Myrtle Ave & Jamaica Ave Lines[edit]

Are their different versions of this icon?

I need a version with the upper level station and line closed, for the station at Myrtle Avenue on the Template:BMT Jamaica Line. I also need a version rotated ninety degrees for the Template:BMT Myrtle Avenue Line page.

Thanks, Acps110 (talk) 19:01, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

At the moment, there are no suitable icons available, but I can create them with ease. Just tell me whether you need a version with a small circle ("flag stop") or a big circle ("station")! Bye axpdeHello! 08:45, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! I need one with the big circle to denote an express station. Acps110 (talk) 08:53, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
New icons available this afternoon, standy by ;-) axpdeHello! 10:29, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Ok, here we go:
  1. underground tower station overhead track off use, track across in use: BSicon uxTBHFo.svg (File:BSicon uxTBHFo.svg)
  2. underground tower station underneath track in use, track across off use: BSicon uTBHFxu.svg (File:BSicon uTBHFxu.svg)
Complete list available at commons:user:axpde/BSicons light#tower stations (more to come)! Cheers axpdeHello! 12:28, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Very nice! Thanks for creating those! Acps110 (talk) 01:04, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Image vs File[edit]

I see that you've altered several instances of Image: to File:, while I have been consistently using Image: - for why I chose Image: over File:, please see either Wikipedia:Wikimedia Commons#Embedding Commons' media in Wikipedia articles or Commons:Commons:First steps/Reuse section Embedding Commons' media in Wikimedia projects. These places show that Image: should be used for images held on Commons, and does not mention File: at all. Please point me at a suitable help page which explains the circumstances when File: is preferable to Image: --Redrose64 (talk) 20:55, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, actually I haven't thought about it, they changed the descriptor of different media files from "image" or "media:" to just "file", so I started doing the same ... I guess they just forgot to adjust the help pages ... axpdeHello! 21:04, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi Axpde. I'm curious about this edit. I think most people use sandboxes for testing things, so it may not be appropriate to change things there. Someone experimenting with Image: might not want it changed to File: in a sandbox. Also (as above) are you sure it's an appropriate change to make in any case? It seems to be sacrificing information if we mark images as files. Kind regards. --Northernhenge (talk) 17:32, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

My priority objective was to change the obsolete BSicon, the "file-change" was collateral damage by my filter program ... I'm not changing on purpose. axpdeHello! 19:44, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


ABZgl+l move

Hello Axpde, thank you for keeping track of the rail template diagram icon renames. Several of the changes the renames are being marked minor but have changing the icon in question; please could ensure that the icons themselves get moved across. For example, in the triangular icons, an exact circular arc is not used, in order to maintain visual clarity in a similar manner to serifs are used in text. Many Thanks, —Sladen (talk) 03:03, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

"normal sized" BSicons
I changed the circle on purpose, because using the BS-templates showing those BSicons in their "normal size", the smaller arc may lead to the misconception of a "minor track" branching off!
The only way to counter this is to use the regular stroke of 100px width. CU axpdeHello! 13:49, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
The better comparison is of like-for-like:
ABZgl+l, ABZld, ABZlf
It's about the total weight of the features in the icon. ABZld and ABZlf appear to the human eye to be of equivalence weight; whereas the claimed "replacement" ABZgl+l tends towards a solid blob with less clarity.
If this difference is not immediately apparent, I would prefer if the existing diagrams could be allowed to keep their carefully chosen existing icons (finalised in 2006). —Sladen (talk) 14:40, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
normal weight BSicons
castrated BSicons
Well, to my human eye ABZlf and ABZgl+l both using correct circles look equally, whereas the difference of ABZld and SIDlf tends to be smaller than between ABZld and ABZgl+l! axpdeHello! 21:03, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
It's perfect okay for a particular person's eyes not to perceive a difference—additionally many people have their monitors configured in many different ways under differing lighting conditions. If you feel strongly that the originals we have had for some years are inferior and that the newly-created "heavy" icons are equivalent and perhaps even an improvement, then I would encourage taking them to Wikipedia talk:Route diagram template for confirmation.
I am somewhat concerned that a potential regression in the general quality and clarity of the icons may be being introduced "by the backdoor", under the guise of "cleaning up the naming". It is acceptable to experiment with new icon designs and it is acceptable to propose renaming (done by the move option, not by new uploads), but doing both at once means that one change (the controversial one) is getting masked—whether or not that is intentional, it could be misconstrued as being underhanded.
Just looking at other examples such as HSTRSTRq; it would appear that the history and (importantly) the author credits for the previous long standing version have been destroyed in the process...
Sladen (talk) 01:43, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Invitation to edit BS-alt[edit]

As you should be aware we have been discussing about the WP:Alt text in the ROUTE take page. I don't know your opinion yet, but as thing turns out now, we can no longer retain that ID name as the icon image's alt text display due to the growing requirement of proper written ALT text in Wikipedia for optical impaired readers. (Article pending for FA qualification which employs the BSicon diagram especially requires this). After learning user:Eubulides's method I too agree to simply change the ID to a short description phrase just like we did in the pictogram page. Surely it's another cumbersome task, but all we need is just filling in the list in {{BS-alt}}. I think you understand the icons better than any of us here. So please help us if you agree with the change. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 12:42, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Within German wikipedia we already thought about that problem, we introduced a template that stores all alt-texts by icon ID, see de:template:BS/Texte, seems as if your approach is quite similiar ...
To change the whole icon ID is no proper solution for several reasons: First of all it would be a hell lot of work to change all occurances, then source code readability and workability decreases dramatically, and last but not least this would only solve the problem in en-wp, all other projects would get into really big trouble! Ciao axpdeHello! 15:36, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Pacific Surfliner template[edit]

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Nomination for deletion of Template:BSu-anleitung[edit]

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Nomination for deletion of Template:SortKey[edit]

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"miniatur" vs "thumb"[edit]


I noticed that in this edit you changed the wikisyntax for several images from "thumb" to "miniatur". Please note that on the English Wikipedia, "thumb" is the proper syntax for small images, and "miniatur" will not behave the same way. Thanks for your help on editing Wikipedia! Tim Pierce (talk) 04:40, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, my proxomitron was accidently still configured for de-WP, shouldn't have happened! axpdeHello! 20:36, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


Touché--SilasW (talk) 09:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

 ;-) axpdeHello! 14:01, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Icon Fixes[edit]


This edit to {{IRT Broadway – Seventh Avenue Line}} is not quite correct. The 240th Street Yard is entirely on an elevated structure. 207th Street Yard is correctly shown at-grade and 137th Street Yard is also correctly shown underground. I can't find the icon for an elevated yard on this page. Do you know where to find an icon for an elevated yard? Thanks, Acps110 (talkcontribs) 16:41, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

P.S. The only other elevated yard in the NYCS is Livonia Yard at the end of the {{IRT New Lots Line}}. Acps110 (talkcontribs) 16:41, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, there's yet no such icon, but you might use an overlay. Regards axpdeHello! 18:16, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

CONTs and prefixes[edit]

I put a new display of CONTs in Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms/straight tracks with a note somewhat repeating or stressing what appears in Naming logic. Condemn it if you like, but can you explain why (not just in CONTs) the order of prefixes added to metro icon names is not that for heavy rail eg there is exCONTg but uexCONTg and extCONTg but uextCONTg? I have never found an explanation of the uses of "e", "x" and "ex" - it seemed to me that for two feature icons (say branches) "x" meant the main line (the straight bit) was closed, "e" the "minor" line that branched off was closed and "ex" indicated both (tous les deux/all the two) closed with the rather curious overloading that if there was only one feature then "ex" indicated that (tout le un/all the one, so to speak) was out of use. --SilasW (talk) 17:24, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Well, the rule is simple: If the icon is completely out of use, it gets the prefix "ex" no matter whether is one or two lines/features/etc. axpdeHello! 19:54, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

gt or tg Icons on UK waterways maps[edit]

Hi, I have finally got round to thinking about sorting out the gt and tg icons on the UK waterways maps, as you suggested in April. However, I am a little unsure about how to do it, because the BSicon_utgSTR icon is also used on the Russian waterways template. That template also seems to be using a Canalrow2 template which is defined on one of my user pages. Do you know how I could change the Russian page to use the correct template to display the icons? Then all I would need to do would be to create the new icons, switch the template, and everything should work. (Just the job of changing the icons on the maps left after that!) Bob1960evens (talk) 19:00, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, I suggest to change the icons first, and then adjust all occurances, including those russian templates. Merry Christmas! axpdeHello! 22:02, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I eventually sorted the Russian site. They have set up user pages with my username, and copied the canal row templates into them, so I altered those, and now none of the tg icons are used anywhere. I have also found a fifth one, which I must fix. Bob1960evens (talk) 20:49, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
I have now got all the user pages sorted out, except User:LeheckaG/BSicon and User:Tuvalkin/BSiconRS, which are huge tables of icons, and where a tg column seems to fit the logic better than a gt column. I have left a note to both users about the changes, but do not know what effect it will have. Bob1960evens (talk) 12:49, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
I stopped to care for those userspace automated lists of everything loooong ago. If you have arranged everything, drop me a note and I will delete the outdated icons on commons. Best regards! axpdeHello! 23:22, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
I have now created BSicon_ugtSTR.svg, BSicon_ugtAKRZu2.svg, BSicon_ugtAROADu.svg, BSicon_ugtKRZuy.svg and BSicon_ugtFEEDERr.svg on Commons, modified all templates that use them, modified the Legend pages on Welsh, Russian and Japanese wikis, and notified all users who had them on user pages of the change. All have now been changed except the automated lists. I think it is safe to delete the utg icons now. Regards. Bob1960evens (talk) 18:11, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
All utg-icons have been recycled, thanks :) axpdeHello! 21:30, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Naming of green bridge icons[edit]

Hi, I am now thinging about the other point you made back in April 2009, that the BSicon_uxgKRZo and BSicon_uxgKRZu icons were inconsistent, because the first has a green vertical line crossing over a light blue horizontal one, and the second has a green horizontal line crossing over a light blue vertical one, but should be light blue horizontal over green vertical. I have now found a use for a light blue vertical crossing over a green horizontal. There is no obvious name for such an icon. The basic problem seems to be that for blue icons there are four combinations (u, ux, ue and uex) whereas for green there are only two (g and xg). I don't really want to create two extra columns, as there are probably only two icons that would fit into them. Any thoughts on a naming convention gratefully accepted! Bob1960evens (talk) 18:44, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Uh, I feared this day would come ;-)
Have to think about it ... btw. those JUNC-icons are named wrong. BSicon uexFABZq+lr.svg should be uexJUNCa, BSicon ueFABZq+lr.svg should be ueJUNCa!
Hmmm, first thought: We have more prefixes: eg and exg! And even more: umg, uemg, uxmg and uexmg! But now we have to think carefully how to use those ... axpdeHello! 22:00, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
And what about g, eg, xg and exg? axpdeHello! 22:02, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
Another possibility is to use the 'q' indicator, to show the direction of the main line is horizontal instead of vertical, like STR and STRq. So uxgKRZo becomes uxgKRZqo when it is rotated through 90 degrees, and BSicon_uxgKRZu become BSicon_uxgKRZqu. We already use this concept for uAKRZqu and uKRZquy. It saves having so many prefixes that nobody can remember what any of them mean. (I agree with the JUNC symbols as well, but I will check how many of them are used before deciding to change them.) Bob1960evens (talk) 00:12, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Happy New Year :)
I'm not happy with this use of the 'q', which was intended to mark tracks running across instead of straight. And what does 'y' stand for? Please don't say 'yellow' :(
IMHO 'KRZ' should only be used, if two tracks are crossing (no matter if they`re red, pink, blue, or whatever) but not when crossing roads. A root named 'ROAD' is no problem, we don't use any of those icons in de-WP, so there's no problem with interfering names. axpdeHello! 09:32, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Happy new year! I have no idea what the 'y' stands for, but I expect it was 'yellow' when someone uploaded it in 2007, as there were no guidelines at all for what to call icons at the time. I did a lot of work to try to get some structure into the naming when I first started producing maps. We changed the names from uHAKRZu and uHKRZuy, because the use of 'H' for horizontal was dropped on other icons. BTW, what does KRZ stand for? We used KRZ because we thought it probably meant bridge.
My idea of using a 'q' was that it indicated that the main line of the icon was the horizontal one (in this case, the one that was green and the one that went 'o'ver or 'u'nder). The addition of ueg and uexg prefixes (and presumably egm and exgm) would result in two extra columns on all 298 rows of the waterways legend, of which probably only two or three would be used. If you don't like this use of 'q', is there another letter that could be used to indicate the same thing? Or another root for horizontal bridge? Bob1960evens (talk) 18:33, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
KRZ is an abbreviation of "Kreuzung" or "crossing" in English, describing both same level or split level crossings of railroad tracks (the latter ones usually without switch).
We use BUE (Bahnübergang) for a level crossing with roads, BRÜCKE (railroad overhead) or SBRÜCKE (rairoad underneath) for split level crossings with roads. In de-WP we usually don't display the road itself, as it is not relevant for the railroad track and it's operation.
So if *BRÜCKE is used for German style roads, why not use let's say BRIDGE for English style road designs? BRIDGEq if the railroad runs across. ABRIDGE vor major roads, BBRIDGE for minor roads MBRIDGE for motorways or something similiar ... this way we might get rid of several additional tags as "-UK" or alike! What do you think? axpdeHello! 19:08, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Another thought, suggested by someone on the Waterways legend. If we replaced the initial 'u' by a 'g', for a bridge with the vertical colour first, we would have gKRZo (green over blue), gxKRZo (green over light blue), geKRZo (blue over green), and gexKRZo (light blue over green), with room for ggKRZo (green over green). Similarly for gKRZu, where the vertical line goes under the horizontal. For crossing railways, there would be gmKRZo, gemKRZo, gxmKRZo and gexmKRZo, where all blue lines in the previous examples were replaced by red. We would just need a Waterrow template, similar to the Canalrow and Plainrow ones, to display them on the Legend. Bob1960evens (talk) 20:12, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Every character used as prefix should have a unique denotation and a unique position. For historic reasons 'u' and 'e' must come first (original layout of {{BSe}}, {{BSu}} and {{BSue}} templates, which are still in massive use in de-WP), next is 'x', then other characters to determine the usage of the track. Next characters are 'b', 'd' or 'v' if applicable (type of BSicon), last 'h' or 't' (level of track).
Those "other usage characters" are yet 'm' for "mixed railways", usually heavy rail accompanied by light rail (resp. 'um' light rail accompanied by heavy rail).
Topic break, I just did some research and found summa summarum at least fivesix different colors of green: unwatered canals, footpaths (no earstwhile versions available yet) and threefour more different green colors in green colors railway icons:
  • (u)g...    : 000 (#2ca05a)
  •    f...    : 000 (green)
  •   ... green: 000 (#008000)
  • ex... green: 000 (#00ff00)
  •   ... vert : 000 (#2dbe2c)
  •  u...-2    : 000 (#487f1e)
    u?? And sometimes also referred to " green" as well :(
Footpaths and "normal green" icons use pretty much the same color, on the long run there should be one unique prefix for both.
And on the long run there shouldn't be two different dark green colors which aren't distinguishable!
But how about making one (light) green the "ex-version" of one other (dark) green? See this:
Let's say we come to three colors red, blue and green, both in light and dark shades, then we have a matrix of nine combinations:
across\straight red blue green
red BSicon KRZo.svg
BSicon umKRZo.svg
BSicon fmKRZo.svg
? mf ?
blue BSicon mKRZo.svg
BSicon uKRZo.svg
BSicon uxgKRZo.svg
? mg ?
green BSicon mfKRZo.svg
? f ?
BSicon uxgKRZu.svg
? ug ?
? g ?
But we only have four combinations of prefix codes left: 'g', 'ug', 'mg', 'umg' ... argh! Or maybe we might decide to have at max two chars (cancelling 'umg') but have another already used character: 'f' and 'mf' ... #sigh# ... have to think more about it! axpdeHello! 13:03, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Cat fixes at[edit]

The fix you did on category "Admin templates", making all translated categories a subcategory of the English page, does not follow the standards at Could you please undo it? Thanks, Hamilton Abreu (talk) 10:06, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

But those translated templates are "Admin templates" ... so what's the problem? axpdeHello! 10:32, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
"Admin templates" is the category for admin templates in English. It is not the category for all admin templates in the wiki irrespective of their language. That is why there is a bar at the top of the category page, pointing users to all other languages. In future, before you apply changes such as this, please verify the remaining categories in the wiki to check if your interpretation of things is correct. Thanks. Hamilton Abreu (talk) 15:20, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
I already placed a proposal at mw:Project:Categories#Proposal, that includes a seperate cat tree for all english templates (ending on /en as all others do), leaving the cat tree without suffix as "cat by function" parallel to "cat by language". That's neat, simple and logical. axpdeHello! 21:06, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Brunel gauge[edit]

Hi, the Brunel gauge is indeed 84.25, and is thus the gauge that would have been used in the Azores. I think you will find that Brunel originally specified exactly 7 feet (2,134 mm), but found that it had to be slightly widened by ¼ inch (6 mm). George Stephenson similarly originally used 4 feet 8 inches (1,422 mm) gauge, which was also widened by half an inch (13 mm) to reduce binding on curves, giving us the current 4 ft 8 12 in (1,435 mm) standard gauge

I checked the references given, and although one states "7 feet (2,134 mm)", this appears to be someone measuring the gauge, and so is not as reliable as those that say that it actually used the Brunel gauge as at Holyhead harbour on Anglesey. I have corrected some (if not all) articles to that effect. Please reply here if you wish to discuss this more. Tim PF (talk) 00:16, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

On German WP there are lot of talks conc. this topic. The problem is: Some users want to have one width per gauge, negating that sometimes a gauge changes slightly ...
So Brunel Gauge is actually both 2134 mm and 2140 mm! axpdeHello! 20:04, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Not so. The gauge was redefined very early on, long before the railway was built at Holyhead harbour, and so on the Azores. I can understand the confusion generated by the fact that the 7 was often called "7-foot gauge", but that doesn't make it "7 feet (2,134 mm)".
In reverting my edits, you are being selective in the references that you are using, and this may be WP:POV, although it probably isn't. The Brunel Gauge is not actually 2134 mm and 2140 mm, at least not once it got to the Azores, and you should not change articles to say that a gauge of (only) 7 feet (2,134 mm) was used, when it is clear that some references state that it was 84. Tim PF (talk) 00:35, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
We have the same problem in de-WP, we still have no original proof for both gauges. Most online sources I found sound as if they copied from some wikipedia. So in the end, we have to admit, that both gauges should be called "Brunel broad gauge" with the hint why there's a difference of 6 mm (which in fact isn't very "obvious" ;-) axpdeHello! 13:20, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
I have now added the Churcher, Colin. "Broad Gauge Railway Relics in the Açores". Retrieved 03 May 2011. The story of the railway in Ponta Delgada, ... begins in Holyhead on the island of Anglesea in North Wales. ... the broad gauge of 7 feet 0¼ inches ... was that chosen by Isambard kingdom Brunel for the Great Western Railway.  Check date values in: |accessdate= (help) reference to Ponta Delgada (Azores) and List of rail gauges, and quoted both possible gauges in the text. I have also raised the issue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains‎#Seven-foot gauge railways. Tim PF (talk) 13:55, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Article on Twi Wikipedia[edit]

Hello, would you mind deleting William Shakespeare on the Twi Wikipedia, so that helpful interwiki bots don't start linking it to other Wikipedias? It is a copy paste of the English version and I highly doubt the creator knows any Twi. --BelovedFreak 12:59, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Speedily deleted (Wikipedia:CSD#A2) and user warned, thanks for informing! axpdeHello! 09:31, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks very much! --BelovedFreak 17:22, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
You're welcome. Actually this user has caused quite some trouble on different projects ... Regards axpdeHello! 19:46, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Beg, borrow, and steal[edit]

Hello Axpde. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Beg, borrow, and steal, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The reason given is not a valid speedy deletion criterion. Thank you. Salvio Let's talk about it! 15:08, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

But Wikipedia:CSD#R3 reads "redirects from implausible typos", and the comma after borrow is definetly wrong! axpdeHello! 08:58, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
The reason that only recently created redirects are deleted under R3 is because someone may have linked to the redirect in the past from an external website and deleting the website will only break any such link. There's very little benefit in deleting redirects such as this one so they are generally kept if there's any possibility that keeping them could cause damage. Hut 8.5 21:42, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Well, as I said on your talk page, it isn't used inside wp. And I doubt that someone outside wp will link to a misspelled redirect (and if, it shouldn't bother us ;-) axpdeHello! 10:46, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
It does bother us, we don't want to contribute to link rot if we can help it. There is no benefit to be gained by deleting redirects such as this one. Hut 8.5 12:01, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Hmm, ok, I don't mind. Regards axpdeHello! 13:22, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Route diagram template/Catalog of pictograms/junctions#Compound junctions[edit]

But doesn't Kombination apply better? All junctions have curves somewhere within. Useddenim (talk) 11:13, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, actually that's what I remember someone said about those files. If I remember right, those files were invented by Dutch wikipedia ... axpdeHello! 11:38, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

New Icon "UK"[edit]

Route map

I'd like your opinion for the name UK (for turn back – German: umkehren) to describe this new icon. Also, the appropriate suffixes for the eight directional variations (starting left then turning left, starting left then turning right, continuing forward then turning ... etc.) Useddenim (talk) 00:51, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

ARGHHH! Uh, let me sleep over *that* ... Regards axpdeHello! 11:11, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Second thought: Do we really need this? axpdeHello! 11:12, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
2: I'm not 100% sure that we do. My thought was that it would save some space in complicated junctions (especially some of the ones that Britmax had created). Useddenim (talk) 12:53, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Hmmm, looking at your example it doesn't save a row, both need two lines ... axpdeHello! 17:30, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
... but could certainly save a column.
OK, that's a bit of a stretch. I'm actually still waiting to hear back from Britmax, who had been after me to make some (mostly v-series) icons for his RDTs. Useddenim (talk) 00:26, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Well, we save a column by adding a bend in the straight track :( axpdeHello! 09:20, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Now that I've had some more time to think about it:

  • "UK" might be mistaken for some "United Kingdom" special icon (whatever this might look like).
  • After all it's still a track, ergo STR. This track comes from right -> "+r" and goes to corner in third quadrant -> "3" ... makes "BSicon STR+r3" ... does this sound sensible? axpdeHello! 21:24, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Excellent suggestion. At the same time, it also provides an alternate name to the ÜWl/r/+l/+r icon group, that you loved so much. :D (Or is it not worth renaming them, at this point?) Useddenim (talk) 14:05, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
30px STRr3 BSicon STR+r.svg STRlg
30px STR+r2
Indeed, this sounds as a good plan. I already thought about renaming STRlg to STR+r but hesitated 'cause it's so heavily used ...
Conc. the rotated version of ÜWl/r, I never liked the actual name, the new one is better! axpdeHello! 11:21, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
c4 30px
BSicon STRr+4.svg
BSicon STRl+1.svg
c3 30px
Are we good now, or should these icons possibly be of the form STR+α#/STR-α# instead of STRα#/STR+α#? Useddenim (talk) 22:55, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Another thought is
STR+α# and
STRα+# Useddenim (talk) 23:00, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Now that my headache is gone I set up a "ruleset":

  1. If the track comes from the top or moves on to the bottom, we don't need any additional icon.
  2. If the track comes from the top and moves on to a certain position on the side we add a single suffix to determine the direction.
  3. If the track comes from a certain position on the side and moves on to the bottom we add a "+" and another single suffix to determine the direction.
  4. If the track comes from a certain position on the side and moves on to another certain position on the side we add ...
    1. a single suffix to determine the "to" direction,
    2. a "+"
    3. a single suffix to determine the "from" direction.
4 BSicon STR4.svg
BSicon STR1.svg
BSicon STRr+4.svg
BSicon STRr.svg
BSicon STRl.svg
BSicon STRl+1.svg
BSicon STR3+r.svg
BSicon STR+r.svg
BSicon STR+l.svg
BSicon STR2+l.svg
3 BSicon STR+3.svg
BSicon STR+2.svg
4 30px
BSicon STR2.svg
BSicon STRr+1.svg
BSicon STR3+1.svg
BSicon STR2+4.svg
BSicon STRl+4.svg
BSicon STR2+r.svg
BSicon STR3+l.svg
3 BSicon STR+4.svg

Following those rules above we end up with ...

Note: all icons to be renamed in bold face. a×pdeHello! 10:34, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

4 30px
BSicon STRr+4.svg
BSicon STRl+1.svg
BSicon STR3+r.svg
BSicon STR2+l.svg
3 30px
STRr 30px
STR+r BSicon STR+4.svg
BSicon STRr.svg
BSicon STRl.svg
BSicon STR+r.svg
BSicon STR+l.svg
I'm not sure, do we have it right, now?
Useddenim (talk) 13:53, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
NOW, I think I've got it. Useddenim (talk) 01:20, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Status check[edit]

  (STRr+1)   (STR3)   (STR2)   (STRl+4)
  (STR2+r)   (STR+4)   (STR+1)   (STR3+l)
  (STRr+4)   (STR4)   (STR1)   (STRl+1)
  (STR3+r)   (STR+3)   (STR+2)   (STR2+l)

 Done a×pdeHello! 10:42, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

n:zh:User talk:Axpde[edit]

Sorry, but user talk page will NEVER be protected. You may refer to the local protect policy. In case of this, your user talk page there is unprotected by me. Act as a local sysop. --HW (talk) 02:29, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, initionally I thought I would be a wise idea. When acting as GS the correct place to contact me logically is meta ... but, well, I won't protect any talk pages. axpdeHello! 21:18, 18 June 2011 (UTC)


Wikipedia Rollback.svg

Hello, following a review of your contributions, I have enabled rollback on your account. Please take note of the following:

If you have any questions, feel free to ask me. Reaper Eternal (talk) 20:34, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Thank you! Regards a×pdeHello! 12:41, 18 August 2011 (UTC)


Same for you as for your friend. I want to tell you to be aware that current situation regarding Kosovo and Serbia is regulated by ARBMAC restriction and arbitration, so edit warring regarding that, while dont know entire situation, may be very bad for you. If you have some proposition, talk on the talk page, and when we agree, we will all insert or remove. Majority of the world still regards Kosovo as part of Serbia, and this situation is consensus, and not personal attitudes. See ARBMAC for more. --WhiteWriter speaks 14:12, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, that was not the person i had in mind... :) You are someone else! :) But ARBMAC notification is still in place, regarding your edits. For more information, ask me, i will help. --WhiteWriter speaks 14:15, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
Oo, you are not the person completely. just forget, i switched you with someone... --WhiteWriter speaks 14:18, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Personally I don't like any deliberate provocation by creating flag maps of debatable territories. I'd really like to delete all of them but I doubt a consensus about that. Nevertheless File:Serbia stub.svg is not a descriptive file name, but File:Flag map of Serbia.svg is, no matter what country outline will be used. Wiki{m|p}edia does not make facts, we just report the facts. I can't judge whether Kosovo is still a part of Serbia, but the government of my country and of 80 other contries recognize the Republic of Kosovo (see this webpage), among those the majority of Europe plus USA, Canada, Australia and Japan. Even this is debatable, but there's a better place than this to do so on commons, how about commons:Category talk:Flag maps of Serbia? Regards a×pdeHello! 19:51, 25 September 2011 (UTC)


P.S.: I second your idea to name the flags in a way everone can decide on his own what map outline he wants to use! a×pdeHello! 19:59, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

OMG, here we go again. Well, i am on wiki since 2005, so i was participating in all those stuff numerous times. User:Fry1989 is going cross-wiki, and remove Kosovo from Serbia's maps. As far as i know, Serbia's official attitude is that Kosovo is part of Serbia, and as majority of the world support that, Kosovo is presented in maps as such. For the 80 countries that finds it independant, we have Kosovo maps and flags, that should be used in situations when that is needed, with one crucial information. We agreed that

Kosovo ≠ Republic of Kosovo. Also, Kosovo ≠ Autonomous province Kosovo and Metohija. 

Kosovo is disputed territory between those two. In en:Template:Kosovo-note, we should use only word Kosovo, with this note. And per en:Wikipedia:ARBMAC, temporary condition's are status quo, until new one is created. Therefor, i need some help regarding user Fry, as that cross wiki action are problematic. Kosovo situation is regulated in details, so this is not ok. I am informing user in question.

Regarding maps, i dont think that we should have that error image, but that we should just leave situation as it was, and that was (almost everywhere) with Kosovo, before user Fry entered the situation. It would be different that he proposed edit, or at least explain it. Without all of that, its just POV fight, in contrary to the current wikipedia agreement regarding Kosovo status.
Thanks. --WhiteWriter speaks 11:36, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Well, i saw everything now. I think that you wanted to do most neutral thing, but i saw one little mistake. I went crosswiki, and reverted user Fry POV crusade. In all those places, Serbia was presented with Kosovo, and then, image was replaced with error. Why people had to choose? It was fine and status quo, so there was no need to choose. That is only minor problem i saw. Then, Fry entered the scene, and we know the future... I am sure that, if they find it needed, they will switch image by their self. Now, what do you think? I edited with "rv to the same image as it was before", as that prefix (with Kosovo) is by its self unneeded, as Serbia presents it self as with Kosovo, and that file was chosen by editors in the first place. After all, i am sure that you had good idea in your mind. Sad to see mess on meta... But i told you, that section of Wikipedia is regulated with harsh restrictions and arbitration's, so you entered with clean heart, and... Well, if i can help you anyhow, talk to me, please. I will give my best to help. --WhiteWriter speaks 14:06, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Aaand me again. I finally get it all, i think. You switched images of Serbia including Kosovo with images without. That is the last fragment i didn't know. Well, it's all in order now, anyway. You now know how is this section of wiki regulated. For more info, i will gladly help. Be good, all best! --WhiteWriter speaks 16:17, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
First of all thanks for you input. After all this quarrel I wish I never met Fry### but too late. I wanted to stop the POV fight by introducing a neutral name and a possibility to choose the depicted area, but I guess I stirred up a hornets' nest. Worst of all Fry### now misuses what I created for his POV :(
I aggree with you: Kosovo = the territory, Republic of Kosovo = independent, Autonomous province Kosovo and Metohija = Serbian.
I created the "error icon" to inform everyone there are two versions and noone needs to edit war on the files. The corresponding wikis of those 80 countries recognizing the Republic of Kosovo may want to use the "without" version, others will surely use the "with" version. And – for the sake of a neutral point of view – I'm sure some wikis may want to use both versions side by side. If File:Flag map of Serbia.svg is the same as File:Flag map of Serbia (with Kosovo).svg then this reflects the point of view of Serbia and no neutral point of view.
When I started yesterday I didn't think about the running election. And I thought I would have enough time to finish my goal before people react. Unfortunaly I didn't have the time and maybe lost the election. But maybe it's a devine sign to economize a bit ...
At the moment I don't know how anyone can help me, but maybe a some considered contributions to the discussion at commons (or even meta) could soothe the situation ;-) a×pdeHello! 18:33, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
This IS NOT POV-pushing. I am supporting the current reality of the situation. Have any of you noticed that I have never stated my view on whether or not Kosovo should be independent? That's because I have a professionalism about facts and accuracy, maintaining a distace between my political views, and my actions here. Meanwhile, the two of you listen to children who can't accept the real world and live in a dream world, making foolish and insignificant claims such as "Kosovo isn't part of the UN, so it's not an independent country!". Do I have to list how many countries aren't (or weren't in the past) part of the UN, and have such children try and debate whether or not these countries also are not infact real countries? UN membership plays no bearing on this. What does, is that unlike Northern Cyprus, or Transnistria, Kosovo is accepted as an independent nation by a wide group of countries, and has been politically self-governing since 1999. I don't care whether the two of you like me or not, because I have my dignity. I know that I am professional in maintaining the facts against children who want to misinform and further their own political claims that have no effect on the real world. Fry1989 eh? 19:04, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Fry reverted again several images, so i restored it for the second (and final) time. Also, i informed him about Notification of WP:ARBMAC. Next time, i will ask for AN/I, or Arbitration comity member reaction. P.S. You still may win? I think that you need more opposing votes for losing... Well, one big misunderstanding, as it is when nationalistic and political struggle drives trough. I may ask your your word regarding fry, but i hope that we will not go there. Be good, man. --WhiteWriter speaks 19:57, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Vandal Fry did it again. What cab we do? I will remove all images, and replace them with ordinary flag of Serbia, so he could not edit war over that any more. Do you have any proposition that may fix cross wiki political vandalism? He was warned about ARBMAC, so administrator may impose discretionary sanctions regarding that. Please, help me, you as a global admin may know some better solution then i. --WhiteWriter speaks 21:13, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Global admins can only block users on small wikis and should only do so if no active local admins are available. This case should be discussed with the stewards, maybe at meta:SRG. Meanwhile I exchanged all occurances of either File:Serbia stub.svg or File:Flag map of Serbia.svg with File:Flag map of Serbia (with Kosovo).svg to maintain status quo while getting rid of the "Serbia stub", which I still regard potentially offending!
At the moment I still might have a chance to get elected, but this quarrel told me to strictly keep out of hornets' nests ... Ciao a×pdeHello! 13:27, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Please, participate, as your name have been mentioned. Thanks. Meta/Requests for comment --WhiteWriter speaks 14:33, 1 October 2011 (UTC)


Hello, Axpde! I hope you are fine. One question, please. I want to be OTRS member on commons, but i dont know whom to ask? So, i suppose you are the person! :) I am image reviewer, autopatroller, file mover, and rollbacker there, on commons. Thanks in advance. --WhiteWriter speaks 21:18, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I don't know much about OTRS, but I guess you should volunteer here! Regards a×pdeHello! 17:08, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Test Wikipedia Rights[edit]

Hi. You wrote that I had "no logged action for more than one year" in this log 18:16, 10 October 2011 (UTC), but I deleted a file 03:32, 28 November 2010 (UTC) per this log, and I promise to be more active on that project. Would you please reverse your action? Thanks!   — Jeff G. ツ (talk) 02:12, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Of course, no problem! Have fun testing :) a×pdeHello! 12:05, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks!   — Jeff G. ツ (talk) 02:31, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Icon on UK Waterways Legend[edit]

Hi. After our discussion on naming of bridges in January 2011, I have reworked BSicon_uxgKRZo   (uxgKRZo) to have a light blue vertical and green horizontal. I have uploaded it to Commons, where it appears correct. I have waited 12 hours, but it still appears wrong on Template:Waterways_legend (and here), although if I click on it, it shows it in large size with the correct colours. I have tried purging the page. Do you know of any way to get it to update? Thanks. Bob1960evens (talk) 11:07, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You might try bypassing your cache. I had some similar trouble last week and that worked for me. Acps110 (talkcontribs) 15:10, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion. I have now tried bypassing the cache and clearing the cache, but it still shows up wrong on my pc. Bob1960evens (talk)
At least the small icon above still shows a green vertical green line! Don't know why ... a×pdeHello! 15:12, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Looking for Feedback![edit]

Hello, Axpde! I'm writing a wiki article for my English 103 class at Clemson University and we have been asked to contact wikipedia users for their feedback on our articles. If you have some time to look at the Title Fight page, I'd really appreciate your feedback. Thank you!Rkprinc (talk) 20:00, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I'm not in best shape at the moment, don't know whether I can help ... a×pdeHello! 15:39, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Is it you that delete ABZ2,ÜWgor,ÜWgo+l and ÜWgo+r in Chinese?[edit]

Moved to Commons:Talk:BSicon/Renaming.



Hi, something is wrong with exVIADUKT-R. Therud (talk) 14:19, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Oh, thanks for notifying, I missed some icons ... now it's done :) a×pdeHello! 14:58, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Hiawatha Line is messed up[edit]

Template:METRO Blue Line is broken on the METRO Blue Line page. Nothing appears to have changed, though. I'd fix it if I knew how. It looks like you deal with these templates quite often, so I figured you might know what is wrong. lukini (talk | contribs) 19:43, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Argh, enwiki's templates inside infoboxes ... I tried some things, but still there is some odd code left on the main page - at least the route diagramm is displayed now :-) For the rest someone with more experience with those structures has to finish the rest. Regards a×pdeHello! 22:30, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Hey Axpde

I'm sending you this because you've made quite a few edits to the template namespace in the past couple of months. If I've got this wrong, or if I haven't but you're not interested in my request, don't worry; this is the only notice I'm sending out on the subject :).

So, as you know (or should know - we sent out a centralnotice and several watchlist notices) we're planning to deploy the VisualEditor on Monday, 1 July, as the default editor. For those of us who prefer markup editing, fear not; we'll still be able to use the markup editor, which isn't going anywhere.

What's important here, though, is that the VisualEditor features an interactive template inspector; you click an icon on a template and it shows you the parameters, the contents of those fields, and human-readable parameter names, along with descriptions of what each parameter does. Personally, I find this pretty awesome, and from Monday it's going to be heavily used, since, as said, the VisualEditor will become the default.

The thing that generates the human-readable names and descriptions is a small JSON data structure, loaded through an extension called TemplateData. I'm reaching out to you in the hopes that you'd be willing and able to put some time into adding TemplateData to high-profile templates. It's pretty easy to understand (heck, if I can write it, anyone can) and you can find a guide here, along with a list of prominent templates, although I suspect we can all hazard a guess as to high-profile templates that would benefit from this. Hopefully you're willing to give it a try; the more TemplateData sections get added, the better the interface can be. If you run into any problems, drop a note on the Feedback page.

Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:31, 28 June 2013 (UTC)


Thanks Axpde so much! I really appreciate your changes to my article Louise Sauvage Pathway. I wish I understood each one, but I can see an amazing dedication to detail.

Whophd (talk) 12:53, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

The BSicons originated from dewiki (BS = Bahnstrecke, engl. railroad), but after transfering to commons many icons were created with unlogical names (mostly due to the fact that the creator didn't understand German). So I worked several years on harmonizing BSicon names and eliminating the wrong names wherever they were used. So I didn't change the layout of your network, just using more logical names :-) Cheers a×pdeHello! 13:31, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

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Symbol dot dot dot.svg I'm out, too many things have changed in enwiki ... ;-) a×pdeHello! 07:13, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

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