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Since most of its content is user generated, Transfermarkt is not a reliable source. Please do not cite the website in articles as you did with Bayan Fenwick. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:07, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Auguste de Peellaert[edit]

Hi, can you help source/improve this one? Albert Prisse might be worth starting.♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:22, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

  • I will start Prisse. Don't know about Peellaert. Dutch is not a language I am comfortable with, and it is often easier to start from scratch than to find sources for a wiki translation. It is fairly simple to record what the easily available online sources for the subject say. But there may be no online sources for parts of the wiki translation, which may be wrong, so it can take a lot of effort hunting for stuff that does not exist. Aymatth2 (talk) 16:00, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Good job anyway. I was wondering if you could expand María Teresa Ferrari. It's currently at GAN and up on Wikipedia:WikiProject Women for focus of the month but I think it needs expansion in the meantime to really pass. If it's not your cup of tea, no worries, but I don't want to see it fail!♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:12, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Ipswich Road, Colchester has been nominated for Did You Know[edit]

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Ipswich Road, Colchester has been nominated for Did You Know[edit]

DYK for Ipswich Road, Colchester[edit]

Thanks for helping with the main page of Wikipedia Victuallers (talk) 13:28, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Synthesis and the music community article[edit]

It's not as simply as just re-arranging text. To make sure that each source is only being used to support claims that source, well, supports (and, critically, only used in the context of a definition that source supports), I'd have to go through all the sources and check them against all their uses and context. That's as much work as just writing a new article de novo (which is why this is a deletion reason in the first place).

If I were going to write this article, which I want to stress I really don't have the time, interest, or source access to do properly, I'd probably break it into three big sections, with Mícheál Ó Súilleabháin's broad definition as part of the introductory material.

  • One, for the ethnomusicology uses of the term, which are (per Nettl) actually pretty well-established. Music community in this sense involves practitioners in music, especially in a cultural tradition sense (although you can cite some sources that indicate its not just for traditional music). You've got Nettl here, of course, and Brinner, and J. Burns. Maybe some of the online stuff like Waldron and Williams, too, but I haven't actually gone to those sources to be sure.
  • Then, second, you've got the – I want to call it sociomusicology (but since that's technically itself a supercategory of ethnomusicology, I'm not sure that's right) – category that deals with music communities in the consumers-of-music sense (that is, the fans). Shank and Straw and Denzin all go here. A lot of the online content would go here, like Kibby.
  • Lastly, the pedagogical use(s) of the term, where a community is formed as part of explicit instruction, especially in the classroom setting. That gets you Colwell & Richardson and Froehlich. And probably the NCME source, although they use an entirely different definition of "music community" in the pedagogical setting, so there's that.

And you'll want to try to dig some more sources, because, presented this way, it would be a very skeletal article based on what you have. Please note, just rearranging the sentences isn't going to get you there, because there really are subtle and pervasive problems with novel synthesis (as another example, the last paragraph of the General section is a problem because you establish a contrast between Smith's definition(s) and the NCME definition, but those aren't really in contrast, because they're never intended to apply the term in the same contexts). My suggestion is to let the current article die, then go back to the sources (and new ones, because you won't be on the AFD clock) and write a new article that keeps diligent watch on the uses of the term as the authors employ them. This is not going to be an easy article to write; broad-topic articles never are. Done well, that's potentially an interesting and informative article. The current one is not. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 17:40, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

  • One added thought: I don't think the online material should be covered separately. It's clear that some, probably all, of these types of music communities have online equivalents. That's how you end up with situations like McCarthy saying that online interaction doesn't serve the purpose of music communities; she's not slagging on stuff like band-fan forums because she's talking about an entirely different sense of the term. Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 13:38, 19 August 2015 (UTC)


I've copied the current content of the article between the horizontal lines above for future mining.
In addition to Squeamish Ossifrage's suggestions above: imho the first sentence of this version of the article ("A music community is a group of people who share an interest in a type of music.") doesn't work at all. First, it is obvious nonsense: e.g. people sitting in an opera house attending a performance are "a group of people who share an interest in a type of music" – they're in no way automatically defined as a music community. Second, no social scientist would say something like that. Third, for obvious reasons, it is not supported by the quoted sources. The rest of the lede isn't much better. So, better take your time for something presentable. --Francis Schonken (talk) 20:31, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks, but I deleted it. If the decision is that there should not be an article on this subject, I will accept that. It would be a dumb decision, but I have only a passing interest in the subject. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:19, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Haggis pakora has been nominated for Did You Know[edit]

Featuring your work on Wikipedia's front page: DYKs[edit]

Thank you for your recent articles, including Francisco Antón, which I read with interest. When you create an extensive and well referenced article, you may want to have it featured on Wikipedia's main page in the Did You Know section. Articles included there will be read by thousands of our viewers. To do so, add your article to the list at T:TDYK. Let me know if you need help, Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:12, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject assessment tags for talk pages[edit]

Thank you for your recent articles, including Francisco Antón, which I read with interest. When you create a new article, can you add the WikiProject assessment templates to the talk of that article? See the talk page of the article I mentioned for an example of what I mean. Usually it is very simple, you just add something like {{WikiProject Keyword}} to the article's talk, with keyword replaced by the associated WikiProject (ex. if it's a biography article, you would use WikiProject Biography; if it's a United States article, you would use WikiProject United States, and so on). You do not have to rate the article if you do not want to, others will do it eventually. Those templates are very useful, as they bring the articles to a WikiProject attention, and allow them to start tracking the articles through Wikipedia:Article alerts and other tools. For example, WikiProject Poland relies on such templates to generate listings such as Article Alerts, Popular Pages, Quality and Importance Matrix and the Cleanup Listing. Thanks to them, WikiProject members are more easily able to defend your work from deletion, or simply help try to improve it further. Feel free to ask me any questions if you'd like more information about using those talk page templates. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:12, 27 August 2015 (UTC)


Hi, can you start any of the following? Need to clear red links before Amelia Bence hits GAR.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:31, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

The Bence article claims San Miguel Studios became the biggest film studio in Argentina. That might take some investigation as I'd thought Lumiton and SONO dominated.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:39, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Great job! Much appreciated. The only other one which I think worth doing is Pablo Podestá. He had an award named after him and also a town in Buenos Aires Province. Seems to be a very notable figure in Argentina. I don't know whether it would be best to expand the bio and have a section on the Podesta Award in it or a summary and a main article on it.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:44, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Can you find anything on Sylvaner Award? It's just in the Rod Steiger article I mention he won them for TV work in the early 50s but I couldn't find anything about it. Let me know if you can find anything, is it a misspelling perhaps for something else?.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:20, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

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