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Draft:TemplateMonster[edit]

Hi Barkeep49, thanks for leaving the comment regarding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:TemplateMonster. I made all the changes requested by the previous reviewer and would like the article to be reviewed again. Could you please help with this? Desquark (talk) 10:54, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Desquark, I have a policy of not reviewing AfC articles on request so I will leave it to another person. However, I will tell you that it is still promotional and also I do not think you should that the company is notable - the two comments left by previous reviewers. Have you read Writing your First Article? It has some advice that would be helpful for you. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:40, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Barkeep49, I'll be looking forward to the regular AFC review then. I followed the recommendations and re-wrote the article several times before, making it more neutral and removing anything that can look like a promotion. If you or any other reviewer could point out the specific facts that do not comply with the requirements, I would really appreciate that.Desquark (talk) 11:02, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Desquark, phrases like "Taking into account the huge success of multipurpose Wordpress themes" are what I was thinking about. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 14:44, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up Barkeep49, I see now. I changed that part and a couple of other paragraphs, that could include some emotional colouring, in my opinion.Desquark (talk) 16:07, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

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Perfect Day (company)[edit]

The history merge that you did from the draft page didn't work correctly. There were edits at the draft page that are lost in the current version in mainspace. That's because editors were making edits at the draft page after the copy-paste happened. If you can refund/undelete the draft for me, I think I can fix it. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:14, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Tryptofish, done. Sorry about that - it was my first hist merge and I attempted to do everything correctly but clearly did something wrong along the way. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 19:51, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, and no worries! I've heard repeatedly that hist merges are very difficult. All's well that ends well. Face-smile.svg --Tryptofish (talk) 20:03, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks again, and I think I've gotten it fixed. At your convenience, you can now delete the draft again as a CSD G13. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:26, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Your AfD closing[edit]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Philosophy of conspiracy theories.

I think this is particularly problematic as you closed it as "no consensus" even as discussion was ongoing and momentum was building towards deletion according to the people who are expert in this kind of editorial approach (those who monitor the WP:FTN). The impugning you did of the original filer, to boot, indicates to me that you don't quite understand the issues involved well enough to be making this decision to cut off debate. Please re-open the discussion and allow another administrator to make this decision.

jps (talk) 10:54, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) ජපස, I think you are probably not going about this the best way. If a AfD has already been relisted, a user can close it at any time. Rather than demanding a AfD be reopened, a fair dialogue should first take place with the closer and if then the parties do not agree, the next step is WP:DELREV as you have suggested. The task that befalls the closer is to measure a rough consensus which does not imply that the closer should have any specific topic knowledge or should wait any longer for a clearer consensus to emerge, and when, as you suggest, the closer ' [does not] quite understand the issues involved well enough' the closure can hardly be a supervote and 'no consensus' might well be the solution. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:15, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
The close happened rather rapidly and insulted FTN poster directly. I think that's a supervote. jps (talk) 18:11, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
@ජපස: thanks for sharing your thoughts about this AfD close. I will admit that I gave a lot of thought to this close and it was not an easy one. I ended up replying at FTN to part of what you ask about here as I was prepping this response. However, I want to address the totality of your question. To do so I need to understand something better - where do you see ongoing momentum building towards deletion? What I saw was 5 delete !votes (and a comment asking a question suggesting lack of notability) and 6 keep votes following the posting to FTN. In fact 6 of the last 7 !votes were keep. What am I missing about a building momentum towards deletion? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:30, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
@ජපස: my previous comment was neutrally worded. I will now add that I endorse Barkep's closure and given his comments above and here, please see WP:NHC, and WP:ROUGHCONSENSUS, and if you still have concerns, please take the issue as you yourself have suggested several times, to WP:DELREV where I will also comment. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:57, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for your support Kudpung. Perhaps ජපස no longer had concerns. If they do, I think there's more a bit more discussion to be had - starting with me getting an answer to the question I posed above about what I am missing about momentum building towards deletion. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 05:13, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
It's up to you. They are claiming you made a supervote. I don't see where you are missing anything. Your closure was very detailed and perfectly civil, while their opening post here while not directly uncivil, is not very polite or conducive to dialogue. It seems to me they just don't like the way the AfD went. It certainly wasn't an easy one but I would also have closed it with 'no consensus', and you can be sure that if I did not concur with your close I would have offered you a (friendly) opinion as to why. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:37, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Although it didn't go the way I !voted, I endorse this close as being a good summary of the consensus, and I reject the claim that this was in any way a supervote. I have seen several supervotes in the past, and this wasn't one of them. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:10, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

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New Page Review newsletter November 2019[edit]

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Hello Barkeep49,

This newsletter comes a little earlier than usual because the backlog is rising again and the holidays are coming very soon.

Getting the queue to 0

There are now 723 holders of the New Page Reviewer flag! Most of you requested the user right to be able to do something about the huge backlog but it's still roughly less than 10% doing 90% of the work. Now it's time for action.
Exactly one year ago there were 'only' 3,650 unreviewed articles, now we will soon be approaching 7,000 despite the growing number of requests for the NPR user right. If each reviewer soon does only 2 reviews a day over five days, the backlog will be down to zero and the daily input can then be processed by every reviewer doing only 1 review every 2 days - that's only a few minutes work on the bus on the way to the office or to class! Let's get this over and done with in time to relax for the holidays.
Want to join? Consider adding the NPP Pledge userbox.
Our next newsletter will announce the winners of some really cool awards.

Coordinator

Admin Barkeep49 has been officially invested as NPP/NPR coordinator by a unanimous consensus of the community. This is a complex role and he will need all the help he can get from other experienced reviewers.

This month's refresher course

Paid editing is still causing headaches for even our most experienced reviewers: This official Wikipedia article will be an eye-opener to anyone who joined Wikipedia or obtained the NPR right since 2015. See The Hallmarks to know exactly what to look for and take time to examine all the sources.

Tools
  • It is now possible to select new pages by date range. This was requested by reviewers who want to patrol from the middle of the list.
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Reviewer Feedback

Would you like feedback on your reviews? Are you an experienced reviewer who can give feedback to other reviewers? If so there are two new feedback pilot programs. New Reviewer mentorship will match newer reviewers with an experienced reviewer with a new reviewer. The other program will be an occasional peer review cohort for moderate or experienced reviewers to give feedback to each other. The first cohort will launch November 13.

Second set of eyes
  • Not only are New Page Reviewers the guardians of quality of new articles, they are also in a position to ensure that pages are being correctly tagged for deletion and maintenance and that new authors are not being bitten. This is an important feature of your work, especially while some routine tagging for deletion can still be carried out by non NPR holders and inexperienced users. Read about it at the Monitoring the system section in the tutorial. If you come across such editors doing good work, don't hesitate to encourage them to apply for NPR.
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Administrators' newsletter – November 2019[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2019).

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NPP backlog question[edit]

Hi Barkeep, do you know if the NPP backlog stats only include unpatroled articles or does it includes other classes of pages such as redirects and disambiguation pages? Wug·a·po·des​ 00:20, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Wugapodes, it includes articles, disambiguation pages (as the software doesn't know that these exist), and redirects nominated for deletion (for technical reasons that aren't worth fixing). Redirects are not included. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:14, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

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NPR patroller awards[edit]

There is no need to start a poll in order to confer these awards. As I conceived them, they are awarded on a straight numerical basis to be assessed by the coordinator, which avoids any unnecessary debate, and published at the end of the year. But I am now only a voice of the past - it's your call... Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:25, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Kudpung, well according to the rules that were written down it either needed to be awarded by two coordinators (and there's only one of me) or by the NPP community. While I don't think anyone would have batted an eyelid if I'd just awarded it, especially as I wanted to recognize someone who wasn't at the top spot I decided to throw it out there. The other awards - which I will get around to bestowing, are obviously numerically based. But it's good to know the history of how that got to be there - I'll feel less bad presuming I'm coordinator in a year of just giving it out. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:00, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
I absolutely understand what a lot of work coordinating NPR is - I did it myself for a decade. I wrote all the rules, so if there is in there that requires the support of a second coord, don't forget I'm the 'emeritus' coord. Otherwise, I have every confidence in what you are doing. Maybe if Insertcleverphrasehere is more available now after his relocation to the UK, he might wish to be a second coord. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:12, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated[edit]

Hi, I'm Meeanaya. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Ethan Smallwood, and have marked it as unpatrolled. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

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Meeanaya (talk) 06:02, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Meeanaya, can I ask why? Procedurally we mark articles at AfD reviewed because their notability will be established one way or another by that discussion. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 08:41, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion[edit]

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I have unreviewed a page you curated[edit]

Hi, I'm Meeanaya. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Scoffable, and have marked it as unpatrolled. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

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Meeanaya (talk) 03:56, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated[edit]

Hi, I'm Meeanaya. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Scoffable, and have marked it as unpatrolled. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

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Meeanaya (talk) 03:59, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard[edit]

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Permissions for AfC[edit]

Hey Barkeep49, can I be part of Articles for creation? I’ve good grasp on deletion policy (71% in AfD, including old votes) and my CSD log is here. I want to take more part in accepting articles so that backlogs can be reduced and I can do new page patrolling. Can you guide me how to do?— Harshil want to talk? 09:26, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Harshil169, I do not have the capacity to guide you on AfC at the moment - sorry. There might be others who would be willing to be a sounding board for you. Bigger picture, do you feel like you have have read and understood WP:AFCR? If so, I would encourage you to post your request for access to WP:AFCP - I believe in these things generally going down at public places for reasons of accountability and transparency. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:47, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

NPP cohort[edit]

Hey, I was reading through the cohort proposal again in preparation for assigning people to cohorts, and I'm a bit confused by the wording. Is the idea that each participant is paired individually with two other participants, or that the participants are clustered into groups of three that collectively go through over each other's work? Also, is the idea that people volunteer reviews from their own history, or that participants check over their partner's histories? signed, Rosguill talk 23:34, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Rosguill, I think for the second question it's your show. I actually think that for the first question too but that one I did have a vision and do have an opinion I'll lay it out. Essentially it would be to assign everyone a number and they review the two numbers higher than them. So 1 reviews 2 & 3, 2 reviews 3 & 4, and so on. But again I think you should feel free to set it up in a way that makes sense and feels right to you. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 23:38, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Your suggestion sounds reasonable, I'll go with that. I'm thinking that for the choice of articles to review, maybe 50/50 works? Although I feel a bit bad for whoever has to go through my review history and try to find actual article reviews amidst all the redirects...maybe I'll give them a heads up of a good date-range to look through. signed, Rosguill talk 23:45, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Rosguill, yeah that would probably be helpful :). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 23:50, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

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