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March 2008[edit]

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Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Family tree of the Han Dynasty, did not appear to be constructive and has been automatically reverted by ClueBot. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you believe there has been a mistake and would like to report a false positive, please report it here and then remove this warning from your talk page. If your edit was not vandalism, please feel free to make your edit again after reporting it. The following is the log entry regarding this warning: Family tree of the Han Dynasty was changed by BartBassist (u) (t) score equals -4042 on 2008-03-29T11:56:25+00:00 . Thank you. ClueBot (talk) 11:56, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Just to clarify the matter, for anyone reading my discussion page – this edit was in fact a reversion of an edit which removed the entire content of the relevant article. I did not bother to lodge a false positive report, as the page (as have the other Chinese imperial family trees) has since altered significantly (the formatting on the current set of pages is just about entirely my doing). Just thought I'd clear that one up. BartBassist (talk) 00:31, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Stephen Hendry[edit]

And re: William Wallace: the Wallace monument was built in honour of Mel Gibson in Braveheart, right? </American tourist> - Dudesleeper / Talk 00:11, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Re:Scottish monarchs' family tree[edit]

There are more inaccuracies in it than that! I don't that you should have restored it ... inaccurate information is inaccurate information, in an image or not ... but there you go, I'm not gonna revert you. Regards, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 11:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

$100 bill[edit]

I recently read your comment on the $100 bill reverse side image page. I just want to tell you that that's how the image is on the bill. The painter who painted the picture made a mistake and painted "4" as "IV" instead of how it appears on Independence Hall ("IIII"). So the picture is real. Armyrifle (talk) 20:36, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

RfD nomination of a template redirect[edit]

I have nominated a redirect to a template for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. MBisanz talk 15:28, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

RfD nomination of Worcestershire squad[edit]

I have nominated Worcestershire squad (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. MBisanz talk 03:37, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Prof Dame Hazel Genn[edit]

This article is about UCL's Professor of Socio-Legal Studies (UCL profile here), and it needs a (free license) photograph and a short bibliography that summarises her most important publications. As you're currently studying in the Law Faculty, would you like to help with either of these? Thanks in advance - Pointillist (talk) 10:08, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with File:Ksw logo.jpg[edit]

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  • You said you were busy with your mid-term assignments so I have fixed up the copyright for you! Thanks for agreeing to help on the Hazel Genn article when you are less busy. - Pointillist (talk) 10:56, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

RGS Worcester and The Alice Ottley School[edit]

RE to do list: Talk:RGS Worcester and The Alice Ottley School- an article you have been involved with. As a local person, I have just read the entire articlewith great interest. It has obviously been prepared with great care, and I hesitate to tag it; however, I feel it still reads partly like an essay and that some passages contain subjective wording that may conflict with Wikipedia's MOS.--Kudpung (talk) 02:20, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for this. Actually, I am astonished that my contributions to the RGS page have been noted: I was a King's man myself, and have contributed far more to that page than to the RGS one. But glad to see that someone is noting my small efforts! BartBassist (talk) 23:30, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

King's School[edit]

Hi Bart! I nearly became a King's pupil in 1960, but I had to be content with playing rugger agaist them for one of the 'others'
I was the one responsible for adding many of the recent tags on King's School. I have no objection to them being removed as long as they have served their purpose in drawing attention to areas that might need some attention. I have a particular interest in schools in Worcestershire but apart from copyediting, I don't have the resources to fill in any gaps. I do read articles thoroughly before tagging, hence the inline passives that have no citations. I did leave a message about this on the article's talk page. Jenuk and I collaborate closely on the Worcestershire Project (although we share our differences of opinion !)--Kudpung (talk) 13:04, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Kotromanić family tree[edit]

Hello, BartBassist! I am trying to create a family tree of a medieval royal family of Bosnia. However, I can't figure out how to use Template:Family tree! I've been trying for months and I've asked many users I "know", but they they don't have a clue about using it either. I found a large family tree made by you and I was amazed (if only because I can't make family tree for a nuclear family :)). Would you please create the Kotromanić family tree for me? It would be very useful as it would help users understand Sigismund of Luxembourg's claim to the throne of Bosnia, as well as Hermann II of Cilli's claim to the throne of Bosnia. The tree is not too long - only six generations - and it is not nearly as complicated as Kings of the Hellenes family tree. I would be very grateful!

Here is a link to a picture of the family tree I made using Paint (even a picture made by me using Paint sucks): http://img269.imageshack.us/i/48286722.png/'>

Thanks in advance! Surtsicna (talk) 16:59, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

WoW! That's much better than I imagined! Sincere thanks! Could you just add Prince Sigismund and Princess Catherine, the two younger children of King Stephen Thomas? They are important because they were proclaimed heirs to the kingdom by their mother's will. You don't have to add their mother. Jadwiga should be removed, as she wasn't relevant to the succession to the throne of Bosnia and removing her would create space for Ostoja and Tvrtko II. That shouldn't be a problem, given how complex family tree you've already made. I am going to add the family tree to the House of Kotromanić article and bs:Kotromanići. Surtsicna (talk) 15:38, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

An early draft of the family tree (kept for the records). BartBassist (talk) 10:21, 4 August 2009 (UTC):

 
 
 
 
Prijezda I
1211-1287
Ban 1250-87
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Stephen I
1242-1314
Ban 1287-1314
 
 
 
Prijezda II
d.1290
Ban 1287-90
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Stephen II
d.1353
Ban (1314-)1322-53
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Vladislav
d.1354
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Charles IV
1316-(r.1346-)1378
HRE 1355-78
 
Katerina
c.1336-1396
m. Hermann I of Celje
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Elizabeth
1340-1387
 
Louis I of Hungary
1326-(r.1342-)1382
 
Margaret of Bohemia
1335-1349
 
 
 
Hermann II of Celje
c.1365-1435
 
Tvrtko I
1338-1391
Ban 1353-77
King 1377-91
 
Dabiša
d.1395
King 1391-95
 
Jelena Gruba
d.aft.1299
Queen 1395-98
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Jadwiga of Poland
1373/4-1399
 
 
Mary
c.1371-1395
 
Sigismund
1368-(r.1387-)1437
HRE 1433-37
 
Barbara of Celje
1392-1451
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Ostoja
d.1418
King 1398-1404,
1409-18
 
 
 
Tvrtko II
1381-1443
King 1404-09,
1421-43
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Ostojić
d.1421
King 1418-21
 
Radivoj
d.1463
King 1433-35
 
Tomaš
d.1461
King 1443-61
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Tomašević
1438-1463
King 1461-63
 
Sigismund
(Ishak-beg Kraljević)
b.1449
 
Katerina
1459-c.1470
Jadwiga surely is important, but not for the House of Kotromanić. Mary is more important for the Kotromanić dynasty because Tvrtko and Dabiša were her vassals and her husband claimed the Bosnian crown in her right. Charles IV is indeed irrelevant and unnecessary. Adding queens consort would be better than adding Charles IV and Margaret, though it isn't so easy - Tvrtko I had no children with his queen but did have two illegitimate children (though some sources assign Tvrtko II to his wife), Tvrtko I's son Ostoja had three wives and a son with the second wife as well as two illegitimate sons. Ostoja's son had two wives and children with both. Is it possible to create such family tree? Don't bother making it if it would be too complex. Anyway, I prefer Cilli because it is used more often in English. Surtsicna (talk) 21:10, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
I forgot to ask: where do you get information about the dates of birth and death of the members of this family? Surtsicna (talk) 21:21, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
You amaze me every time! The tree is so wonderfully simple, yet descriptive and inclusive! I am going to put it into the House of Kotromanić article right away! Surtsicna (talk) 12:15, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
What old version? The article now uses the latest version. Surtsicna (talk) 13:41, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunatly, the sources you use seem to be self-published and as such they are not reliable. Neither Bosnian-language books nor English-language books give years of birth and death of people such as Elizabeth of Serbia, Elizabeth of Kuyavia, Catherine of Bosnia, etc. That's why I think it is better to remove the dates, unless reliable sources can back them up. Surtsicna (talk) 14:33, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
The only reason for keeping the marriage to Louis I of Hungary is that I didn't see it :) I'll remove it because we shouldn't fill the boxes with too much information. After all, we would have to add three wives to Ostoja's box! Surtsicna (talk) 15:26, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Barty[edit]

Pick up your mobile?

Alex —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.171.14.159 (talk) 12:37, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Jordanian Royal Family[edit]

If you are bored and looking for a family tree to build, you could build a family tree of the Jordanian Royal Family. It would be useful for the Line of succession to the Jordanian throne. If you decide to do it, don't include wives of kings and princes - as King Hussein alone had four wives, it would be very difficult. Also, you don't have to include any princess, as princesses are not relevant for the article and the royal family is too large to include each member. So, male members only would be the easiest and tidiest way. Bye! Surtsicna (talk) 16:37, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Can you speak Chinese?[edit]

What dose the "div." mean in Chinese emperors family tree (late)? 星光下的人 (talk) 07:52, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

OH,no,Division (military) is a military unit,it means “师”,but 郡 is a administrative machinery unit,they are not the same meaning. 星光下的人 (talk) 01:04, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
First,about Commandery,you can see Qing Dynasty nobility,this page use "prince of a commandery " to translate “郡王”,this is the reason which I use it.And Commandry (feudalism) corresponding Chinese page is also “郡”。I agree this word is so long, "Comm." maybe better.

Second,about Guangxu's adoption,it is truely.In China,adoption called "过继",it can happen after sb is death,and "过继“ only can happen in Firts generation and Second generation.Guangxu Emperor and Tongzhi Emperor is the same generation ,we call "堂兄弟”(first cousin),they can not adopted . In Draft History of Qing(清史稿),it says "he(Guangxu) is adopted to Wenzong(Xianfeng),to succeed the throne,become next emperor"(以上继文宗为子,入承大统,为嗣皇帝)。 星光下的人 (talk) 00:51, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

About Chinese emperors family tree (early)[edit]

I think [This edition] is better than your change.The same generation in same line is more important than son-sequence,and Why not Western Han and Eastern Han in one tree?星光下的人 (talk) 01:46, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Can you draw the branch in sequence when you build the family tree?It's hard to me. = =||| 星光下的人 (talk) 11:59, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
How to add Liu Penzi in Chinese emperors family tree (early),he is also a emperor,although a puppet.His line is Gaozu——Prince Daohui of Qi(齐悼惠王刘肥)——Prince Jing of Chengyang (城阳景王刘章)——Liu Xi(城阳恭王刘喜)——Liu Yan(城阳顷王刘延)——Liu Yi(城阳敬王刘义)——Prince Hui of Chengyang(城阳惠王刘武)——Liu Shun(城阳荒王刘顺)——Marquess of Shi式侯 Liu xian(刘宪)——Marquess of Shi式侯 Liu Ba(刘霸)(no son)

Marquess of Shi式侯 Liu xian(刘宪)——Marquess of Shi式侯 Liu Meng(刘萌)——Liu Penzi 刘盆子 星光下的人 (talk) 01:46, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

son-sequence of yuan is wrong,please see Family tree of Genghis Khan 星光下的人 (talk) 02:07, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
How do you recognize the Emperor and Dynasty? Why Dose other kingdoms 's monarchs are not emperors?Dose Chinese emperors family tree (ancient) all are emperors? 星光下的人 (talk) 03:05, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

List of Australian PMs - new format[edit]

No. Name
(Birth–Death)
Portrait Division Party Assumed office Left office Ref
1 Sir Edmund Barton
(1849–1920)
Edmund Barton.PNG MP for Hunter, NSW,
1901–1903 (resigned)
Protectionist
(Barton Ministry)
1 January 1901 24 September 1903 [1]
First Australian Prime Minister, selected in preference to William Lyne despite Hopetoun Blunder. Elected 1901 (inaugural federal election). Retired to pursue judicial career.
2 Alfred Deakin
(1856–1919)
AlfredDeakin.jpeg MP for Ballaarat, Vic(1),
1901–1913 (retired)
Protectionist
(1st Deakin Ministry)
24 September 1903 27 April 1904 [2]
Elected 1903; three-way hung Parliament, with government reliant on Labor support. Unable to pass any legislation; resigned.
3 Chris Watson
(1867–1941)
ChrisWatsonSepia.jpg MP for Bland, NSW,
19011906
MP for South Sydney, NSW,
1906–1910 (retired)
Labor
(Watson Ministry)
27 April 1904 18 August 1904 [3]
First Labour Prime Minister in the world. Enacted tax reforms. Minority government; sought a double dissolution to allow an election; refused by the Governor-General; resigned.
4 Sir George Reid
(1845–1918)
Georgereid.jpg MP for East Sydney, NSW,
1901–1909 (resigned)
Free Trade
(Reid Ministry)
18 August 1904 5 July 1905 [4]
Premier of New South Wales 1894–1899; first former state premier to become Prime Minister. Minority government; resigned when Protectionists and Labor formed an alliance.
(2) Alfred Deakin
(1856–1919)
AlfredDeakin.jpeg MP for Ballaarat, Vic(1),
1901–1913 (retired)
Protectionist
(2nd, 3rd Deakin Ministries)
5 July 1905 13 November 1908
Re-elected 1906. Passed extensive legislation; Arranged for Australian control of Papua and Northern Territory; Expanded High Court to five justices.
5 Andrew Fisher
(1862–1928)
Andrewfisher.JPG MP for Wide Bay, Qld,
1901–1915 (resigned)
Labor
(1st Fisher Ministry)
13 November 1908 2 June 1909 [5]
Seat of Government Act, providing for a federal capital at Canberra; Workers' wage reform; Prepared for establishment of the Navy. Ousted by Parliamentary majority held by the newly merged Commonwealth Liberal Party.
(2) Alfred Deakin
(1856–1919)
AlfredDeakin.jpeg MP for Ballaarat, Vic(1),
1901–1913 (retired)
Commonwealth Liberal
(4th Deakin Ministry)
2 June 1909 29 April 1910
Deakin's Protectionist Party had merged with Joseph Cook's Anti-Communist Party, resulting in the first absolute majority government. Ordered the dreadnought battle cruiser; Financial Agreement of 1909, granting the States 25 shillings per head per annum. Defeated 1910.
(5) Andrew Fisher
(1862–1928)
Andrewfisher.JPG MP for Wide Bay, Qld,
1901–1915 (resigned)
Labor
(2nd Fisher Ministry)
29 April 1910 24 June 1913
Elected 1910; absolute majority. Instigated social and financial reform, including Australia's first paper currency. Defeated 1913.
6 Joseph Cook
(1860–1947)
JosephCookPEO.jpg MP for Parramatta, NSW,
1901–1921 (resigned)
Commonwealth Liberal
(Cook Ministry)
24 June 1913 17 September 1914 [6]
Elected 1913 with a one-seat majority; Labor retained a Senate majority. Outbreak of World War I. Brought about a double dissolution; defeated 1914.
(5) Andrew Fisher
(1862–1928)
Andrewfisher.JPG MP for Wide Bay, Qld,
1901–1915 (resigned)
Labor
(3rd Fisher Ministry)
17 September 1914 27 October 1915
Elected 1914. Pledged absolute support to "the mother country" (the UK) in World War I. Enacted both peacetime and defence legislation. Oversaw heavy Australian losses in the Gallipoli Campaign; resigned.
7 Billy Hughes
(1862–1952)
Billy Hughes 1908.jpg MP for West Sydney, NSW,
19011917
MP for Bendigo, Vic,
19171922
MP for North Sydney, NSW,
19221949
MP for Bradfield, NSW,
1949–1952 (died)
Labor
(1st Hughes Ministry)
27 October 1915 14 November 1916 [7]
National Labor
(2nd Hughes Ministry)
14 November 1916 17 February 1917
Nationalist
(3rd, 4th, 5th Hughes Ministries)
17 February 1917 9 February 1923
Advocated conscription during World War I, on which he lost a plebiscite; expelled from the Labor Party. His new National Labor Party entered into an alliance with the Commonwealth Liberal Party, later merging fully as the Nationalist Party, elected 1917 and 1919. Introduced Preferential voting. Lost a second plebiscite on conscription; resigned as PM, but immediately re-commissioned. The first Australian to sign an international treaty, the Treaty of Versailles. Re-elected 1922; hung Parliament. Lost support of the right wing of the party; resigned.
8 Stanley Bruce
(1883–1967)
StanleyBruce2.jpg MP for Flinders, Vic,
1918–1929 (lost seat) ;
1931–1933 (resigned)
Nationalist
(1st, 2nd, 3rd Bruce Ministries)
9 February 1923 22 October 1929 [8]
Elected 1925, 1928. Supported the British Empire, the League of Nations, and the White Australia Policy; Maritime Industries crisis. Defeated (and lost his own seat) 1929.
9 James Scullin
(1876–1953)
JamesSc.JPG MP for Yarra, Vic,
1910–1949 (retired)
Labor
(Scullin Ministry)
22 October 1929 6 January 1932 [9]
Elected 1929. Wall Street Crash of 1929 and Great Depression. The government split on economic issues, forcing a vote of no confidence; defeated 1931.
10 Joseph Lyons
(1879–1939)
Joseph Lyons 1.jpg MP for Wilmot, Tas,
1929–1939 (died)
United Australia
(1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th Lyons Ministries)
6 January 1932 7 April 1939 (died) [10]
Premier of Tasmania 1923–1928. Elected 1931, 1934, 1937. Recovery from the Great Depression; Supported appeasement, but expanded the armed forces; Edward VIII abdication crisis. Died in office (heart attack).
11 Sir Earle Page
(1880–1961)
EarlePage.jpg MP for Cowper, NSW
19191961 (defeated)
Country
(Page Ministry)
7 April 1939 26 April 1939 [11]
Leader of the Country Party, junior member in the Lyons-Page Coalition Government. Appointed by the Governor-General on Lyons' death, until United Australia elected a leader; refused to serve under Robert Menzies; overthrown as Country Party leader.
12 Robert Menzies
(1894–1978)
Portrait Menzies 1950s.jpg MP for Kooyong, Vic,
1934–1966 (resigned)
United Australia
(1st, 2nd, 3rd Menzies Ministries)
26 April 1939 28 August 1941 [12]
Minority government until the Country Party re-joined the government. Outbreak of World War II. Defeated 1940; remained in government only with independent support. Forced to resign.
13 Arthur Fadden
(1895–1973)
FaddenPEO.jpg MP for Darling Downs, Qld
1936–1949
MP for McPherson, Qld
1949–1958 (retired)
Country
(Fadden Ministry)
28 August 1941 7 October 1941 [13]
Leader of the Country Party, junior member in the Coalition Government. Appointed on Menzies' resignation. Hung Parliament reliant on support of Independent MPs (Coles and Wilson); they voted against Fadden's budget. Resigned.
14 John Curtin
(1885–1945)
JohnCurtin.jpg MP for Fremantle, WA,
19281931 (lost seat) ;
1934–1945 (died)
Labor
(1st, 2nd Curtin Ministries)
7 October 1941 5 July 1945 (died)
Appointed by the Governor-General on condition that Independent MPs Coles and Wilson would support him, thereby ending government instability. Re-elected 1943. Led Australia through World War II. Died in office (heart attack).
15 Frank Forde
(1890–1983)
Frank Forde 1941.jpg MP for Capricornia, Qld,
19221946 (defeated)
Labor
(Forde Ministry)
6 July 1945 13 July 1945
Deputy Prime Minister under Curtin. On Curtin's death, served as interim Prime Minister until Labor Party leadership elections. Defeated by Ben Chifley in leadership elections; appointed Deputy Party Leader and Minister for Defence.
16 Ben Chifley
(1885–1951)
Benchifley.jpg MP for Macquarie, NSW,
19281931 (lost seat) ;
1940–1951 (died)
Labor
(1st, 2nd Chifley Ministries)
13 July 1945 19 December 1949
(12) Robert Menzies
(1894–1978)
Portrait Menzies 1950s.jpg MP for Kooyong, Vic,
1934–1966 (resigned)
Liberal
(4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th
Menzies Ministries)
19 December 1949 26 January 1966
17 Harold Holt
(1908–1967)
HaroldHoltPortrait1953.JPG MP for Fawkner, Vic,
1935–1949

MP for Higgins, Vic,
1949–1967†

Liberal
(1st, 2nd Holt Ministries)
26 January 1966 19 December 1967†
Re-elected 1966. Cold War; Expanded Australia's role in Vietnam War.
†Disappeared while swimming at Cheviot Beach 17 December 1967; declared dead 19 December.
18 John McEwen
(1900–1980)
John McEwen 1930s.jpg MP for Echuca, Vic,
19341937
MP for Indi, Vic,
19371949
MP for Murray, Vic,
1949–1971 (resigned)
Country
(McEwen Ministry)
19 December 1967 10 January 1968
Leader of the Country Party, junior member in the Menzies-Holt Coalition Government. Appointed by the Governor-General on Holt's disappearance, until the Liberals elected a leader; refused to serve under the obvious candidate William McMahon. John Gorton selected instead; Gorton appointed McEwen Deputy Prime Minister.
19 John Gorton
(1911–2002)
JohnGorton1954.JPG Senator 1950–1968 (resigned3)

MP for Higgins, Vic,
19681975 (retired4)

Liberal
(1st, 2nd Gorton Ministries)
10 January 1968 10 March 1971
The only Senator to serve as Prime Minister; resigned from the Senate and elected MP. Re-elected 1969. Continued to support involvement in Vietnam War. Retired.
20 William McMahon
(1908–1988)
William McMahon 1950.jpg MP for Lowe, NSW,
1949–1982 (resigned)
Liberal
(McMahon Ministry)
10 March 1971 5 December 1972
Continued to support conscription and involvement in Vietnam War. Defeated 1972.
21 Gough Whitlam
(1916– )
100px MP for Werriwa, NSW,
1952–1978 (resigned)
Labor
(1st, 2nd, 3rd Whitlam Ministries)
5 December 1972 11 November 1975
22 Malcolm Fraser
(1930– )
John Malcolm Fraser 1977.jpg MP for Wannon, Vic,
1955–1983 (resigned)
Liberal
(1st, 2nd, 3rd Fraser Ministries)
11 November 1975 11 March 1983
23 Bob Hawke
(1929– )
BobHawke(cropped).jpg MP for Wills, Vic,
1980–1992 (resigned)
Labor
(1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th Hawke Ministries)
11 March 1983 20 December 1991
24 Paul Keating
(1944– )
Paul Keating 1979.jpg MP for Blaxland, NSW,
1969–1996 (resigned)
Labor
(1st, 2nd Keating Ministries)
20 December 1991 11 March 1996
Re-elected 1993. Mandatory detention of asylum seekers; Reconciliation with Aborigines, including Redfern Park Speech and Native Title Act 1993; Established the Republic Advisory Committee; Relations with Asia, through APEC. Defeated 1996.
25 John Howard
(1939– )
Image-Howard2003upr.JPG MP for Bennelong, NSW,
1974–2007 (lost seat)
Liberal
(1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th Howard Ministries)
11 March 1996 3 December 2007
Defeated 1987. Elected 1996, 1998, 2001, 2004. Defeated (and lost his own seat) 2007.
26 Kevin Rudd
(1957– )
KevinRuddZoom.JPG MP for Griffith, QLD,
since 1998
Labor
(Rudd Ministry)
3 December 2007 Incumbent
Elected 2007. Signed Kyoto Protocol; Issued apology to the Stolen Generations; Withdrew troops from Iraq War; Upheld Australian involvement in War in Afghanistan.
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Hi BartBassit, most of this table looks good so far (reading discussion at Talk:List of Prime Ministers of Australia), would you like me to finnish it as you seemed to have stopped or how long until you will have it finished? Regards Wikistar (Place order here) 13:20, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Shadow Cabinet[edit]

†died in office ‡served as interim leader

  • Piece of trivia which becomes apparent from this list:
Q: There is said to be "something of the night" about Michael Howard, but in what respect could he be considered Jim Callaghan's shadow?
A: Callaghan was the only man to have served in all four Great Offices of State. Howard is the only man to have served in all four shadow offices.

Aside from this, people have an interesting tendency to shift from right to left on this table (most notably Howard) as their careers progress.

Political party Leader of the Opposition Deputy Leader of
the Opposition
Shadow Chancellor Shadow Foreign Secretary Shadow Home Secretary
Labour Hugh Gaitskell
14 Dec 1955–
18 Jan 1963†
HughGaitskell2.jpg Jim Griffiths
1955–1959
Image is needed male.svg Harold Wilson
14 Dec 1955–
2 Nov 1961
Dodwilson.JPG Alfred Robens
14 Dec 1955–
22 July 1956
50px Kenneth Younger
14 Dec 1955–
13 May 1957
Image is needed male.svg
Aneurin Bevan
22 July 1956–
11 Oct 1959
50px
Patrick Gordon Walker
13 May 1957–
12 Mar 1962
Image is needed male.svg
Aneurin Bevan
1959–
6 July 1960†
50px Denis Healey
11 Oct 1959–
2 Nov 1961
Denis Healey Davos.jpg
George Brown
1960–
15 Oct 1964‡
50px
James Callaghan
2 Nov 1961–
15 Oct 1964
James Callaghan.JPG Harold Wilson
2 Nov 1961–
14 Feb 1963
Dodwilson.JPG
George Brown
12 Mar 1962–
15 Feb 1963
50px
Harold Wilson
14 Feb 1963–
16 Oct 1964
Dodwilson.JPG Patrick Gordon Walker
14 Feb 1963–
15 Oct 1964
Image is needed male.svg Frank Soskice
15 Feb 1963–
15 Oct 1964
Image is needed male.svg
Conservative Sir Alec Douglas-Home
16 Oct 1964–
28 July 1965
Alec Douglas Home Allan Warren cropped.jpg VACANT Reginald Maudling
15 Oct 1964–
27 July 1965
50px R. A. Butler
15 Oct 1964–
27 July 1965
RA Butler cropped.png Edward Boyle
15 Oct 1964–
28 July 1965
Image is needed male.svg
Edward Heath
28 July 1965–
18 June 1970
Heathdod.JPG Reginald Maudling
28 July 1965–
18 June 1970
50px Edward Heath
28 July 1965–
11 Nov 1965
Heathdod.JPG Reginald Maudling
27 July 1965–
11 Nov 1965
50px Peter Thorneycroft
28 July 1965–
13 Apr 1966
Peter Thorneycroft cropped.png
Iain Macleod
11 Nov 1965–
20 June 1970
Image is needed male.svg Christopher Soames
11 Nov 1965–
13 Apr 1966
Image is needed male.svg
Sir Alec Douglas-Home
13 Apr 1966–
18 June 1970
Alec Douglas Home Allan Warren cropped.jpg Quinten McGarel Hogg
13 Apr 1966–
18 June 1970
Quintin Hogg, Baron Hailsham Allan Warren.jpg
Labour Harold Wilson
19 June 1970–
4 Mar 1974
Dodwilson.JPG Roy Jenkins
19 June 1970–
7 Apr 1972
Roy Jenkins, Chancellor of Oxford.jpg Roy Jenkins
20 June 1970–
19 Apr 1972
Roy Jenkins, Chancellor of Oxford.jpg Denis Healey
20 June 1970–
19 Apr 1972
Denis Healey Davos.jpg James Callaghan
18 June 1970–
19 Oct 1971
James Callaghan.JPG
Shirley Williams
19 Oct 1971–
4 May 1973
Shirley Williams at Birmingham 2010.jpg
Edward Short
April 1972–
28 Feb 1974
Image is needed male.svg Denis Healey
19 Apr 1972–
28 Feb 1974
Denis Healey Davos.jpg James Callaghan
19 Apr 1972–
28 Feb 1974
James Callaghan.JPG
Roy Jenkins
4 May 1973–
4 Mar 1974
Roy Jenkins, Chancellor of Oxford.jpg
Conservative Edward Heath
4 Mar 1974–
11 Feb 1975
Heathdod.JPG William Whitelaw
4 Mar 1974–
4 May 1979
Image is needed male.svg Robert Carr
28 Feb 1974–
11 Feb 1975
Robert Carr2.jpg Geoffrey Rippon
28 Feb 1974–
11 Feb 1975
Image is needed male.svg Keith Joseph
4 Mar 1974–
11 Feb 1975
Image is needed male.svg
Margaret Thatcher
11 Feb 1975–
4 May 1979
Thatcher-loc.jpg Sir Geoffrey Howe
11 Feb 1975–
4 May 1979
Geoffrey Howe.jpg Reginald Maudling
11 Feb 1975–
11 Apr 1976
50px Ian Gilmour
11 Feb 1975–
11 Apr 1976
Image is needed male.svg
John Davies
11 Apr 1976–
23 Sep 1978
Image is needed male.svg William Whitelaw
11 Apr 1976–
4 May 1979
Image is needed male.svg
Francis Pym
23 Sep 1978–
4 May 1979
Zconcam61.jpg
Labour James Callaghan
4 May 1979–
10 Nov 1980
James Callaghan.JPG Michael Foot
4 May 1979–
10 Nov 1980
50px Denis Healey
4 May 1979–
4 Nov 1980
Denis Healey Davos.jpg Peter Shore
4 May 1979–
4 Nov 1980
Image is needed male.svg Merlyn Rees
4 May 1979–
4 Nov 1980
Image is needed male.svg
Michael Foot
10 Nov 1980–
2 Oct 1983
50px Denis Healey
4 Nov 1980–
11 June 1983
Denis Healey Davos.jpg Peter Shore
4 Nov 1980–
9 June 1983
Image is needed male.svg Denis Healey
4 Nov 1980–
13 June 1987
Denis Healey Davos.jpg Roy Hattersley
4 Nov 1980–
2 Oct 1983
Royhattersley.jpg
Neil Kinnock
2 Oct 1983–
18 July 1992
Kinnock, Neil.jpg Roy Hattersley
9 June 1983–
11 April 1992
Royhattersley.jpg Roy Hattersley
9 June 1983–
11 June 1987
Royhattersley.jpg Gerald Kaufman
2 Oct 1983–
13 June 1987
Kaufman.JPG
John Smith
11 June 1987–
18 July 1992
Gerald Kaufman
11 June 1987–
19 July 1992
Kaufman.JPG Roy Hattersley
13 June 1987–
19 July 1992
Royhattersley.jpg
John Smith
18 July 1992–
12 May 1994†
Margaret Beckett
11 April 1992–
12 May 1994‡
Margaret Beckett May 2007.jpg Gordon Brown
18 July 1992–
2 May 1997
Gordon Brown Davos Jan 08.jpg Jack Cunningham
11 Apr 1992–
22 July 1994
Image is needed male.svg Tony Blair
19 July 1992–
22 July 1994
WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM ANNUAL MEETING 2009 - Tony Blair.jpg
Tony Blair
21 July 1994–
2 May 1997
WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM ANNUAL MEETING 2009 - Tony Blair.jpg John Prescott
21 July 1994–
2 May 1997
John Prescott on his last day as Deputy Prime Minister, June 2007.jpg Robin Cook
22 July 1994–
2 May 1997
Robin Cook-close crop.jpg Jack Straw
22 July 1994–
2 May 1997
Jack Straw meeting with Rumsfeld at Pentagon, May 19, 2005, cropped.jpg
Conservative John Major
7 May 1997–
11 June 1997
John Major 1996.jpg VACANT Kenneth Clarke
2 May 1997–
11 June 1997
50px John Major
7 May 1997–
11 June 1997
John Major 1996.jpg Michael Howard
2 May 1997–
11 June 1997
Michael Howard.jpg
William Hague
19 June 1997–
18 Dec 2001
William Hague with poppy.jpg Peter Lilley
11 June 1997–
2 June 1998
Image is needed male.svg Michael Howard
11 June 1997–
15 June 1999
Michael Howard.jpg Brian Mawhinney
11 June 1997–
2 June 1998
Image is needed male.svg
Peter Lilley
1998–
1999
Image is needed male.svg Francis Maude
2 June 1998–
1 Feb 2000
Image is needed male.svg Norman Fowler
2 June 1998–
15 June 1999
Image is needed male.svg
VACANT John Maples
15 June 1999–
2 Feb 2000
Image is needed male.svg Ann Widdecombe
15 June 1999–
18 Sep 2001
Ann Widdecombe.jpg
Michael Portillo
1 Feb 2000–
18 Sep 2001
Michael Portillo by Regents College cropped.jpg Francis Maude
2 Feb 2000–
18 Sep 2001
Image is needed male.svg
Iain Duncan Smith
18 Sep 2001–
6 Nov 2003
Iain Duncan Smith, June 2007.jpg Michael Ancram
18 Sep 2001–
Dec 2005
Image is needed male.svg Michael Howard
18 Sep 2001–
6 Nov 2003
Michael Howard.jpg Michael Ancram
18 Sep 2001–
10 May 2005
Image is needed male.svg Oliver Letwin
18 Sep 2001–
6 Nov 2003
Oliver Letwin.jpg
Michael Howard
6 Nov 2003–
6 Dec 2005
Michael Howard.jpg Oliver Letwin
6 Nov 2003–
5 May 2005
Oliver Letwin.jpg David Davis
6 Nov 2003–
12 June 2008
David Davis MP, March 2008.jpg
George Osborne
5 May 2005–
6 May 2010
George Osborne 0437.jpg Liam Fox
10 May 2005–
6 Dec 2005
Liam Fox MP, 2007.jpg
David Cameron
6 Dec 2005–
6 May 2010
David Cameron - World Economic Forum Annual Meeting Davos 2010.jpg William Hague
Dec 2005–
6 May 2010
William Hague with poppy.jpg William Hague
6 Dec 2005–
6 May 2010
William Hague with poppy.jpg
Dominic Grieve
12 June 2008–
19 Jan 2009
Dominic Grieve, October 2007.jpg
Chris Grayling
19 Jan 2009–
6 May 2010
Chris Grayling.JPG
Labour Harriet Harman
(acting)
Harriet Harman 2009 color.jpg Harriet Harman
11 May 2010–
Harriet Harman 2009 color.jpg Alistair Darling
11 May 2010–
8 Oct 2010
AlistairDarlingABr cropped.jpg David Miliband
11 May 2010–
8 Oct 2010
David Miliband 11 April 2007.JPG Alan Johnson
11 May 2010–
8 Oct 2010
Alan Johnson -9Oct2007-2.jpg
Ed Miliband
25 Sep 2010–
Ed Miliband on 27 August 2010 cropped-an less red-2.jpg Alan Johnson
8 Oct 2010–
Alan Johnson -9Oct2007-2.jpg Yvette Cooper
8 Oct 2010–
Yvette Cooper, March 2008.jpg Ed Balls
8 Oct 2010–
Ed balls.jpg

Comments[edit]

I'm not sure it's possible to allocate full Shadow positions before 1955. As I understand it the concept of a fully defined "shadow government" with individuals holding defined portfolios was pretty much introduced in 1955 and before then there was a grouping of leading MPs from the party (sometimes with a clearly defined membership, sometimes less so) who spoke for the Opposition in debates but didn't have strict portfolios and could potentially speak on any subject (although some specialisation might develop if they'd held particular portfolios in government). My memory of the various Butler biographies is that his appointment as Chancellor in 1951 surprised many who had expected Oliver Lyttleton - this wouldn't have been the case if he'd been the recognised "Shadow Chancellor".

The table is also assigning some start dates to the day of the election, which creates some anomalies, especially when a member lost their seat. Usually it takes a bit of time for the post election front bench to be finalised, especially if the party leader announces their resignation immediately after the election. In 2005 it's my recollection that Howard didn't appoint his new Shadow Cabinet until about a week after polling day. Timrollpickering (talk) 18:33, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

I've moved the table from Official Opposition Shadow Cabinet to its own article, List of Shadow holders of Great Offices of State. Since many of those listed as deputies never held the title "Deputy Leader of the Opposition", including William Hague and Harriet Harman, I've removed that column, which has the added benefit of making the rest of the table easier to read. -Rrius (talk) 03:39, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Ainsworth pic[edit]

Thanks Bart, for the Ainsworth PD file , that pic has been a long time coming, good work. Off2riorob (talk) 20:35, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Family tree of Roman/Greek gods[edit]

Hello! Remember when you made some family trees for me? Well, you've done a great job and, since you clearly enjoy creating family trees, I wanted to propose making a family tree of Roman/Greek gods. I believe you'll really have fun doing it, as the family relationships are very complex (gods marrying their sisters, goddesses marrying their great-nephews, goddesses born of brother-sister marriages marrying their uncles, etc). I don't need it; it's just for your entertaintment, though it would be very useful for Wikipedia as well. If you do create one, please let me know! Surtsicna (talk) 22:44, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

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List of Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom[edit]

I think in general that colour pictures are better than soemthing black and white. I cropped some of the clunkier images into headshots. Hopefully this helps resolve some of your objection. Adam sk (talk) 05:13, 8 April 2010 (UTC)


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Names of Greek Prime Ministers[edit]

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List of heads of state of Mexico[edit]

I believe that there's no any inefficiency to edit a considerable improvement on the current formatting of the section. --Helfmann (talk) 06:53, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

List of Chancellors of Germany[edit]

Well, I think that political leanings of early Chancellors should be marked with partisan colors, although they weren't members of any party. They had very strong political leanings (especially Bismarck), and they should me marked with appropriate colors. Next, I removed partisan color from the last part of the table because there is already meta/colors (like Christian Democratic Union (Germany)/meta/color, for example) to mark that part of the table. --Sundostund (talk) 10:50, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree with you to reintroduce the coloring of the Diet column. It's really useful to to show who controlled the Bundestag at a particular period. Also, you are free to modify colors for "Liberal Conservative" political faction and the Nazi Party in order to reduce similarity between them. --Sundostund (talk) 16:11, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

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Baron Latimer[edit]

Since the revival of that Barony of Latimer from abeyance from 1913, the Money-Coutts barons have spelled their title Latymer. But this is not usual and not binding for the Nevill barons, their ancestors; Complete Peerage and the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography agree in spelling that title, like the original family, Latimer. We should spell Henry VIII's stepson as reliable sources spell him; the Wardour Street mediaevalism of his distant descendants (who are, individually and collectively, far less notable) is not uncommon among the claimants of long-forgotten titles. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:47, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Israeli PMs list[edit]

Prime Minister Elected
(Knesset)
Government
No. Name Portrait Political Party Term No. Term Political Parties
1 David Ben-Gurion
דוד בן-גוריון
Ben Gurion 1959.jpg Mapai 14 May 1948
- 26 January 1954
Prov. 14 May 1948 10 March 1949 MapaiMapamHHaMNew AliyahS&OMizrachiGen.ZionistsAgudat
1949 (1st) 1st 10 March 1949 1 November 1950 MapaiURFProgressiveS&ODLN
2nd 1 November 1950 8 October 1951
1951 (2nd) 3rd 8 October 1951 24 December 1952 MapaiMizrachiHHaM-AY-PAYDLIA-P&W-A&D
4th 24 December 1952 26 January 1954 MapaiGen.ZionistsProgressiveMizrachiHHaMDLIA-P&W-A&D
2 Moshe Sharett
משה שרת
Moshe Sharett - 1955.jpg Mapai 26 January 1954
- 3 November 1955
5th 26 January 1954 29 June 1955
6th 29 June 1955 3 November 1955 MapaiMizrachiHHaMDLIA-P&W-A&D
(1) David Ben-Gurion
דוד בן-גוריון
Ben Gurion 1959.jpg Mapai 3 November 1955
- 26 June 1963
1955 (3rd) 7th 3 November 1955 7 January 1958 MapaiNRPMapamAHaAProgressiveDLIA-P&W-A&DP&D-C&B[9]
8th 7 January 1958 17 December 1959
1959 (4th) 9th 17 December 1959 2 November 1961
1961 (5th) 10th 2 November 1961 26 June 1963 MapaiNRPAHaAPAYP&D-C&B
3 Levi Eshkol
לוי אשכול
Levi Eshkol.jpg Mapai 26 June 1963
- 26 February 1969[2]
11th 26 June 1963 22 December 1964
12th 22 December 1964 12 January 1966
Alignment[1] 1965 (6th) 13th 12 January 1966 17 March 1969 AlignmentNRPMapamIndep.LiberalsPAYP&D-C&BGahal[9]Rafi[9]
Yigal Allon
(interim)
יגאל אלון‎
50px Alignment 26 February 1969[2]
- 17 March 1969
4 Golda Meir
גולדה מאיר
Golda Meir 03265u.jpg Alignment 17 March 1969
- 3 June 1974
14th 17 March 1969 15 December 1969
1969 (7th) 15th 15 December 1969 10 March 1974 AlignmentGahal[9]NRPIndep.LiberalsP&D-C&B
1973 (8th) 16th 10 March 1974 3 June 1974 AlignmentNRPIndep.Liberals
5 Yitzhak Rabin
יצחק רבין
Yitzhak Rabin (1986) cropped.jpg Alignment 3 June 1974
- 20 June 1977[3]
17th 3 June 1974 20 June 1977 AlignmentIndep.LiberalsRatz[9]NRP[9]
6 Menachem Begin
מנחם בגין
Menachem Begin 2.jpg Likud 20 June 1977
- 10 October 1983
1977 (9th) 18th 20 June 1977 5 August 1981 LikudNRPAgudatDash[9]
1981 (10th) 19th 5 August 1981 10 October 1983 LikudNRPAgudatTamiTelem/MRSZ[9]Tehiya[9]
7 Yitzhak Shamir
יצחק שמיר
Yitzhak Shamir.jpg Likud 10 October 1983
- 13 September 1984
20th 10 October 1983 13 September 1984
8 Shimon Peres [4]
שמעון פרס
Shimon Peres, WJC Plenary Assembly, 2009.jpg Alignment 13 September 1984
- 20 October 1986
1984 (11th) 21st 13 September 1984 20 October 1986 AlignmentLikudNRPAgudatShasMorasha[9]ShinuiOmetz
(7) Yitzhak Shamir [4]
יצחק שמיר
Yitzhak Shamir.jpg Likud 20 October 1986
- 13 July 1992
22nd 20 October 1986 22 December 1988
1988 (12th) 23rd 22 December 1988 11 June 1990 LikudAlignmentNRPShasAgudatDegel HaTorah
24th 11 June 1990 13 July 1992 LikudNRPShasAgudatDegel HaTorahNew LiberalTehiyaTzometMoledetUPIGeulat
(5) Yitzhak Rabin
יצחק רבין
Yitzhak Rabin (1986) cropped.jpg Labor 13 July 1992
- 4 November 1995[5]
1992 (13th) 25th 13 July 1992 22 November 1995 LaborMeretzShas[9]Yiud[9]
(8) Shimon Peres
שמעון פרס
Shimon Peres, WJC Plenary Assembly, 2009.jpg Labor (4 November 1995)[5]
22 November 1995
- 18 June 1996
26th 22 November 1995 18 June 1996
9 Benjamin Netanyahu
בנימין נתניהו
Benjamin Netanyahu.jpg Likud 18 June 1996
- 6 July 1999
1996 14th 27th 18 June 1996 6 July 1999 Likud-Gesher-TzometShasNRPBaAliyahUTJThird Way
10 Ehud Barak
אֵהוּד בָּרָק
Ehud Barak at Pentagon, 11-2009.jpg One Israel
Labor
6 July 1999
- 7 March 2001
1999 15th 28th 6 July 1999 7 March 2001 One IsraelShasMeretzBaAliyahCentreNRPUTJ[9]
11 Ariel Sharon
אריאל שרון
Ariel Sharon 2001.jpg Likud 7 March 2001
- (4 January 2006)[7]
2001 29th 7 March 2001 28 February 2003 LikudLabor-Meimad[9]Shas[9]CentreNRPUTJBaAliyahNU-BeiteinuNew WayGesher
2003 (16th) 30th 28 February 2003 21 November 2005 LikudShinui[9]NU[9]NRP[9]Labor-MeimadAgudat[9]
Kadima[6] 14 April 2006 21 November 2005 4 May 2006 KadimaLikud[9]Agudat
12 Ehud Olmert
אהוד אולמרט
Ehud Olmert 2007Feb19.jpg Kadima (4 January 2006)[7]
14 April 2006
- 31 March 2009
2006 (17th) 31st 4 May 2006 31 March 2009[8] KadimaLaborShasGilBeiteinu[9]
(9) Benjamin Netanyahu
בנימין נתניהו
Portrait of Benjamin Netanyahu.jpg Likud 31 March 2009
- Incumbent
2009 (18th) 32nd 31 March 2009 Incumbent LikudBeiteinuShasLabor/Indep.[9]Jewish HomeUTJ[9]
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Notes[edit]

1 In 1965 Mapai merged with Ahdut HaAvoda to form the Labor Alignment, later renamed Alignment.

2 Eshkol died while in office. Yigal Allon briefly served as Acting Prime Minister until he was replaced by Meir.

3 Rabin resigned and called for early elections in December 1976. After he was re-elected as the Alignment's leader, he resigned as candidate for the upcoming elections on 7 April 1977, but continued to serve as Prime Minister until Begin's first government was formed.

4 After the 1984 elections, Likud and the Alignment reached a coalition agreement by which the role of Prime Minister would be rotated mid-term between them. Shimon Peres of the Alignment served as Prime Minister for the first two years, and then the role was passed to Yitzhak Shamir. After the 1988 election Likud was able to govern without the Alignment, and Yitzhak Shamir became Prime Minister again.

5 Rabin was assassinated while in office. Shimon Peres served as Acting Prime Minister until 22 November 1995.

6 On 21 November 2005, Prime Minister Sharon, along with several other ministers and MKs, split from Likud over the issue of disengagement from the Gaza Strip and negotiations over the final status of the West Bank. Sharon formed a new party, Kadima, which would go on to compete in the following elections of March 2006. Sharon continued as Prime Minister.

7 As the result of Ariel Sharon suffering a severe stroke on 4 January 2006, and being put under general anaesthetic, Ehud Olmert served as the Acting Prime Minister (Hebrew: ממלא מקום ראש הממשלה בפועל‎) from 4 January [1] to 14 April, according to Basic Law: The Government: "Should the Prime Minister be temporarily unable to discharge his duties, his place will be filled by the Acting Prime Minister. After the passage of 100 days upon which the Prime Minister does not resume his duties, the Prime Minister will be deemed permanently unable to exercise his office." Basic Law: the Governmet 2001, section 16b In Sharon's case, this occurred on 14 April 2006, upon which Olmert became Interim Prime Minister for the remainder of the 30th government, finally becoming full Prime Minister on the formation of the 31st government.[2]

8 Olmert officially resigned on 21 September 2008. With this his cabinet became an interim government, and he was the "Interim" Prime Minister until the establishment of a new governing coalition (he was officially the Prime Minister, however, the government under him was an interim government, in this case).[3]

9 The following parties were members of a government during only part of its term:

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Chief ministers[edit]

Hi - Looking at your page, a few questions. First, should the Cabal be listed? The most important thing about that period is that there really wasn't a single chief minister. Arlington was probably the closest, as he was basically running foreign affairs, but none of them was dominant in domestic affairs. Second, I think that a lot of the men you list were not really the chief minister - specifically Godolphin 1684-1685, Belasyse, Montagu 1694-1699, Pembroke 1699-1702, Halifax 1714-1715, Carlisle, and Walpole 1715-1717. I don't think you'll find any reliable source that considers any of those men to have been the chief minister at those times. I think the indisputable cases of single chief ministers before 1730 (I don't think Walpole really qualifies even in the 1720s, given that Townshend was essentially his equal, and had full control of foreign policy) are Clarendon 1660-1667, Danby 1674-1679, Godolphin 1702-1710, and Harley 1710-1714. The rest are all arguable. I think that some consideration should be given to the people I listed in my original post. In the period after 1714, I think the situation is actually pretty clear, but doesn't fit a table all that well. From George I's arrival until 1716, Townshend was effectively the chief minister, even though he was being undermined for most of 1716 by Stanhope. Then, after a period of some confusion and uncertainty when there wasn't really a single leader, between early 1717 to early 1721, Stanhope and Sunderland were effectively joint leaders. Your 1718 switching point seems wrong to me. Yes, they exchanged offices that year, but the idea that Sunderland was serving under Stanhope from 1717 to 1718, and then Stanhope was serving under Sunderland from 1718 to 1721 can't really be defended.

On the whole, I think it would be good to both extend this list to earlier periods - people like Strafford, Buckingham, the Cecils, Northumberland, and Wolsey seem at least as deserving of listing as the later ones, and certainly more worthy of listing than someone like Belasyse or Carlisle, who weren't chief ministers any more than the Earl of Iddesleigh and William Henry Smith were prime ministers. I think there should also be much less of an effort to fill every gap. This was an unofficial post, and there were gaps. There's a useful list in a 1923 book by Viscount Mersey, who was an early 20th century politician and judge. He gives us, in the period in question, only Clarendon, Danby/Carmarthen twice (in 1673-1678 and again 1692-1695), Godolphin from 1702-1710, and Harley. For anyone beyond that, we should find sources. john k (talk) 00:31, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. Personally, I like the entry for the Cabal, as it clarifies your point that no single individual was in charge. I agree that some of my entries, such as Belasyse, are dodgy: I followed the pre-existing templated list of ministries at the bottom of my page, which includes all of the ministries which I have listed. The situation is clear, but difficult to tabulate, from 1714 onwards. The problem with listing Townshend as chief minister is that he seems to have been an eminence grise, acknowledged as leader without formally holding office as leader, like Lord Carteret in Wilmington's ministry. I have listed Halifax, Carlisle and Walpole in this period in the Wilmington role (or, for a clearer example, in the Portland role in the Fox-North administration). I agree that Stanhope and Sunderland led jointly 1717–1721; I hope that the names of their ministries, and my explanation of this period in the introduction, makes this clear.
One of my arguments is that the post of "Prime Minister" gradually evolved from the Lord High Treasurer / First Lord of the Treasury post. Most of the people listed (though not all) were Lord High Treasurer or First Lord; with some exceptions, it seems to have been accepted that the Lord High Treasurer or First Lord had a significant claim to be in charge since Danby in 1674. Temple in 1679 is an odd entry, and doesn't really fit the run, but I found this early attempt at political reform extremely interesting, so I included it.
Finally, I lack the expertise to extend my own list further back than 1660, though I agree that this is desirable. BartBassist (talk) 07:54, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Looking at your list, the only individuals I have missed (apart from Townshend, discussed above) are Sunderland 1684 and Shrewsbury 1695. I couldn't really find any rationale behind either of them. BartBassist (talk) 08:29, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Hmm...do you have any sources that back up the idea that Carlisle, say, was viewed as the nominal head of the administration? I've just never seen anything that says anything like that, although I admit I'm not expert in the period. As far as Sunderland and Shrewsbury go, I believe I was basing that on their Oxford Dictionary of National Biography articles, but I no longer have access to the ODNB, so I can't say for sure. My sense, though, is that when Rochester was "kicked upstairs" in 1684, it was Sunderland, rather than Godolphin, who took effective charge of the ministry, and also that Sunderland was the effective chief minister for most of the reign of James II - certainly so after Rochester's resignation. Although he was arguably an eminence grise type, I'm not sure it's reasonable to distinguish a "formal" ministry head from an informal one at that point. The whole position was informal. As for Shrewsbury, that's a bit more questionable, but my sense was that Shrewsbury was more of a figurehead for the ministry than Montagu, in that he was the one who dealt with the king personally, and essentially served as the intermediary between the king and the Junto proper. That may not be quite right, but I think it's at least as right as the idea that Montagu was head of the ministry. But I guess finding sources is what we should really be doing at this point. john k (talk) 20:30, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Let me add that I don't really think that First Lords of the Treasury (as opposed to Lord High Treasurers) were considered presumptive chief ministers until Walpole. Godolphin and Harley certainly were considered to be chief minister during their times as Lord Treasurer. But Poulett, who served as First Lord of the Treasury from 1710 to 1711, certainly was not. Neither was Godolphin during any of his stints as head of a treasury commission. john k (talk) 20:56, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Japanese prime minister list[edit]

About http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:WhisperToMe&diff=cur

While I understand what was going on before, it feels strange to have a single page go against the MOS which is supposed to globally apply to all articles on EN. The usage of having "old" names be FN-GN and "new" ones be GN-FN happens in many places. The only reason why the prime minister list is so different is because, as you said, some of those figures are only a few years apart

Perhaps the solution is to say "People born after Meiji 1 have their family name last, people born before then have the family name first" - All of the figures have their dates of birth included, so people can tell via the birth year. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:13, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

While if I had to choose having them all in the same order, I would prefer them all to be GN-FN (after all the practice of name switching started in Meiji) - It may be a good idea to mention this on the MOS-JA talk page to see what others think too WhisperToMe (talk) 18:31, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
Thank you very much :) WhisperToMe (talk) 01:53, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

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I have completed the full family tree for the tang dynasty emperors, including all their ancestors dating back to Laozi (actually there are a few cadet branches I'd like to add like Li Bai's branch, but he is not a direct ancestor so that can wait). The problem is that the lines on the tree are skewed slightly to the left and therefore straight lines like the one from gaozu to taizong do not align properly, can you fix it? Talk:Chinese_emperors_family_tree_(middle)#tang_dynasty_family_tree.28incomplete.29 Mr reems 45kg (talk) 07:28, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Blimey, good effort. As far as I can see, the only way to fix this one is to cut the family tree in half (immediately above Gaozu). I'll have a go. BartBassist (talk) 02:18, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

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