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JUL 2010 - DEC 2010


Link Broken

The link to cucamonga sound is broken! Soxwon (talk) 17:44, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Also, totally unrelated: How do you respond to the charge that you cheated in order to win that game? Soxwon (talk) 19:00, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
I'll talk to my lawyer. And if he advises me to confess, I'll get a new lawyer! ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:47, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
*Insert British Petroleum joke here* Soxwon (talk) 19:17, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Taking us for a fool again?

Bugs, I see that some bozo has tried his luck again on ANI and you took the liberty to actually reply him here... what are the odds of that happening again? =P --Dave ♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™ 18:42, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Probably better than the odds of that guy actually posting his question. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:44, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Not being an admin, I can't read that link. That particular horse gnat has been swatted in any case. Just as I was getting to know the poor slob. C'est la vie, dude. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:53, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Reminisce of the scene in MIB: "... the best of the best of the best", at getting their mouth sewed up faster than they can spit out their gut. Oh well... fore~! --Dave ♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™ 18:55, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Another thing is... AFAIK, I don't think I have ever come across a Kremistan Special Administrative Region... have you? =P --Dave ♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™ 22:39, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Having a little fun

Care to participate? Feel free! - BilCat (talk) 02:12, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

DAMN YOUR EYES! I could be doing something important, but instead you've gotten me started on this ridiculous list! Soxwon (talk) 04:30, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Little arrows

Thank you so much! In three years on the site, I had never figured out how to get straight to the section I wanted from "page history" or from "contributions". I'll save hours not having to scroll up and own and up and down looking for a specific change. You earned your Ref Desk salary tonight. :-) Bielle (talk) 04:06, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

You should thank users Matt Deres and TenOfAllTrades for putting me onto it. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:23, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Never loath to give thanks when due: Thank you, too, Matt and TOAT!! Bielle (talk) 15:47, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Love those little arrows! Bielle (talk) 04:25, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


BoNM - Spain.png

Thank you for the picture of Francisco Franco and Hitler it makes the pages its on interesting Spongie555 (talk) 04:26, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Bitte schön, mein Freunde. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:57, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Black Jack

Hi, Bugs. Despite our differences, you know I like you. (Or, at least I hope you do.) But were you serious that I stumbled across "Black Jack" Pershing due to my knoweledge of the game of blackjack? I'm not sure if you were joking or serious. In any case, my interest in Pershing is largely tied to my interest in World War I. I'm not really much of a war buff, but I've always been interested in World War I, as it's largely been relegated to an afterthought, in the wake of World War II. World War II was not only a direct result of World War I; it was basically just a continuation of it, after a 30 year truce. I've also always been interested in the ways that that war was fought. Europe had enjoyed decades of peace at the outbreak, and military technology reflected that. The war that began with bicycles, horses, and wooden ships, was finished with tanks, submarines, and airplanes. When Pershing took his troops across the Atlantic in 1918, he did so as the underdog, and came out victorious. In any case, maybe you were joking about the whole thing, but I hope that clarifies my interest in him for you.Mk5384 (talk) 23:44, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I was "serious" in that one topic leading to another is how I find out new things, and I thought maybe that was your approach also. But in this case it was a coincidence. Sorry about jumping to the wrong conclusion. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:30, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
No big deal, Bugs.Mk5384 (talk) 07:22, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Itallian problem

I'm itallian so please don't be racist but maybe we lost the Fifa World Cup, yes?--Italiano with 2-way radio (talk) 01:22, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

File:Hitler and Franco.JPG listed for deletion

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Hitler and Franco.JPG, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. ww2censor (talk) 13:14, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

A note regarding denial

I've noticed you calling out a number of trolls and suchlike by identifying their IP range as being well-known, as well as your usual insults (drive-by IP's, etc). I find this behaviour annoying; I'll admit that. But I'm asking you to stop it because it fails to WP:DENY quite badly; those offhand insults and elaborate semi-discussions about it are what lets trolls thrive. Simple, direct answers to fairly innocuous questions (such as this one - not the best example though) would just bore them while DENYing them at the same time.

This is just a request. I won't pursue it any further. I apologise also if there haven't been as many of these as I think; maybe it's just my perception. Vimescarrot (talk) 23:37, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Bert Kaempfert CD cover.JPG


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If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of "file" pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. J Milburn (talk) 11:17, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


An admin should catch on soon. I have requested for the page to be semi-protected so that new accounts and IPs can't edit it. Regards IJA (talk) 17:53, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


LEAVE MY EDITS ALONE IF YOU KNOW WHTS GOOD (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) Cow female black white.jpg

On Franco and Hitler

Unfortunately, if the photos are from the book "You Can't Print That" then they are indeed not Public Domain: [1]. However, that's a big if, as there is nothing to suggest that they are in fact from that book. Soxwon (talk) 04:35, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for butting in if it doesn't concern me, but are you by any chance referring to this? :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 16:00, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I am. Soxwon (talk) 16:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)


  • Facepalm2.svg What's up with HS? He's been blocked, again. --Dave ♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™ 19:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
    • I think it's excessive, but I also think he overreacted. I've sometimes done that when I'm fiddling with wikipedia and something else is frustrating me and I vent. That not good, Kemo Sabe. I hope this will be just a temporary thing, but we'll see. It took a fair amount of persuasion by various editors before he was unblocked the last time. :( ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:13, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Who's HS? Btw, I think I know how he feels, as I jhust about got myself in a similar situation on Talk:Mars. It looks like the other user has backed off, and hopefully I won;t run into him again. At least he hospe so! - BilCat (talk) 19:40, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
HalfShadow (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)
  • Darn, I was hoping you meant HC. ;) - BilCat (talk) 14:46, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Single comment, most likely a heated exchange (or a single user who doesn't seem to get it) from the sounds of it, no profanity. If they use that kind of standard then Malleus AND RodHullandemu would have been blocked for a week... Soxwon (talk) 02:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

:::::I left a note on his talkpage, asking that the admin unblock him, as he will behave until mid to late November. The note is gone now though. Hopefully he will be editing again soon. Chaos N. Mayhem (talk) 02:45, 17 July 2010 (UTC)(CnM Indef~! Hopefully, you'd come back in your real form without them socks, if that's not too much to ask of you. Thanks. --Dave ♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™ 08:02, 17 July 2010 (UTC))

...Hi, nice to meet you. Soxwon (talk) 02:51, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Thought of the Day

You know, according to the Many World's Theory, an infinite number of realities are possible. That means that right now, somewhere, your life is being broadcast as a tv show. What type of tv show do you think it will be? Soxwon (talk) 05:55, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Many-worlds interpretation--Schrödinger's cat. A cat... :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 06:00, 17 July 2010 (UTC)


You could say "I'm onto you", but I don't think that would convey an appropriate tone for how I really feel. Let me put it this way:

I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU GET UP TO IN YOUR SPARE TIME..........but I like it! Your "secrets" are safe with me, have no fear. (talk) 12:59, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

...for your valuable input.

This[2] is what I get up to in my spare time. And I like it! Uh-huh, uh-huh! :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:50, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

I was adding my own snide comments when this "appeared", so to the oppurtunity to have an "edit conflict". I know you like to keep this stuff around, but there's no reason for it to be here until you've "reviewed" it! (And I didn't know how long you'd be offline.) - BilCat (talk) 16:06, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Oh, feel free to add your snide comments. LC watches every move we make, so I'm sure whatever it is, he'll find it amusing. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:21, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
  • I think that was a two-way radio, although either way the username made no sense to me. Probably some obscure (and recent) cultural thing. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:11, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Some of the admins around here are so thick... makes me wanna... HalfShadow 03:02, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

I can't get on to that page. P.S. Welcome back. Again. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:04, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
...I could hear it. What the fuck was THAT? Soxwon (talk) 03:06, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
GlaDOS' anger core, from Portal. For Bugs' sake:
Whoa. That was not a nice sound. How do I turn that into a ringtone? Drmies (talk) 03:10, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
Weird. Sounds like the Tasmanian Devil with a frog in his throat. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:16, 19 July 2010 (UTC)


I commented on the wrong report. I shouldhave commented on the report above yours, but I ended up posting it under yours. If you thought the discussion was weird, that was the mistake I made. Sorry! Optakeover(Talk) 03:25, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Ron Liebman abuse

Apparently there's a merge going on of long term abuse reports, and old obsolete ones are going away.

Have you had any problems with Ron recently?

Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 19:14, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Marriage and Typhronemon5

At least he won't attack here again. TbhotchTalk C. 22:39, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Not under that user ID, anyway. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)


Mk5384 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)

Just to refresh a bit here, was that POV pusher with a MGM-31 Pershing warhead indeffed for being an octopii? =P --Dave ♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™ 04:39, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't know from octopusses, but I do know they are well-armed. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:54, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
One octopii, cannot get on a bus; because a single octopii is just an octopus, PhGustaf (talk) 01:46, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Allan Sherman lives. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:54, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
And this is why I come to this page :D Soxwon (talk) 03:13, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Right now I've got "Melvin Rose of Texas" running through my head. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Moving on

I think I'll work on the Soledad Miranda article for a change - it needs a lot of work. Sadly, she's not eligible for BLP, so pehaps I can get somewhere with it. - BilCat (talk) 03:47, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

You could read the Carmen Miranda saga in your spare time. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:49, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
I think I can guess how it ends! Anyway, I'm done editing articles about Brazilian-related people - I have a feeling he doesn't stray too far from that subject,a nd I'd like to steer clear in the future. I also note he's an environmentalist, and I'd hate to end up "discussing" that subject with him! :) - BilCat (talk) 04:03, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
I try to stay away from contentious topics. But sometimes it's hard to predict what's going to be contentious. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:07, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I didn't think a semi-obscure actress from 2 little-known sci-fi series would be contentious! Stupid me! - BilCat (talk) 04:11, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

RefDesk talk

Bugs, if you could A) Not assume that people are second class citizens because they haven't registered a wikipedia account, and B) not insist on calling folks with low edit-counts "drive-bys", it would save us all a lot of reading on the ref desk talk page.

It never fails to antagonize, and serves no purpose, so why keep doing it? APL (talk) 16:21, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

It only antagonizes the ones who know they're guilty of it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:53, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I have information

Would you like some of my information? It may be informative! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:48, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

I wish to protest

I am certainly not the Light Centre fellow, nor have I ever been. In any case I have dynamic IPs, but the ban of the one above makes no sense. Now do you want some information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:42, 23 July 2010 (UTC)


Would you like the information now? I'm quite irritatted with being accused of being Light Currant, but I appreciate it's not your fault these over rigorous nobs are overthinking things. I have information for you.

To repeat:

Would you like the information? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frank the rabbit (talkcontribs) 15:36, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Information (cont.)

Well?!? You do you want the info or not, you nasty little shit! (talk) 18:05, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Could you stop the relentless persecution of me please?


Can you have a quiet word with those two please and get them to stop claiming I'm light currant? (talk) 18:44, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Mr. Strikeout

Speaking of Cubs, I noticed your Mr. Mármol with his 17 Ks/9 IP. ESPN mentioned that would set a ML record if it holds up. They neglected to mention what the record currently is! Any idea? Wknight94 talk 12:35, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, that's an interesting one. I hope Marmol doesn't eventually get added to the list of Cubs pitchers who got overused and burned out their arms. Among starters, anyway, the answer appears to be Nolan Ryan.[3] Relievers would be a different animal. Looking at Retrosheet, I found that Mariano Rivera averages about 1 strikeout per inning, so he's nowhere close to Marmol. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:26, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
I think they were talking single-season too. Baseball-ref says Randy Johnson but that's with the lofty 1 IP/game rule which excludes relievers. I used to have a database populated from but who knows where that went - then I could use whatever rules I wanted. Wknight94 talk 13:53, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
You qualify as a Figger Filbert. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:55, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Seven decades on...

Congratulations on the longevity of your hare-brained existence, as noted on CBS News. Carrot cake for all! Mr Warner would have been very proud, but Mr Fudd's patience must be wearing a little thin... —— Shakescene (talk) 05:12, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Happy Birthday! A round of carrot juice for all! Soxwon (talk) 05:17, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
70 years and only one gray hare! ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:57, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
Well, you know what they say about The Old Gray Hare (she ain't what she used to be) —— Shakescene (talk) 06:46, 28 July 2010 (UTC)


Take a look at this. It's somewhat established that he's editing from Alabama. PMDrive's been involved in this for a long time. He has a right to be frustrated. I ran across a possible IP, or maybe an impostor of this guy and that's how I found it. Read the Archive history for the full picture. Shadowjams (talk) 05:12, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Yuch. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:04, 28 July 2010 (UTC)


Hi ... I don't know if you've seen this discussion, and of course don't know your view, but thought it might interest you given that you often weigh in on the general subject ... I believe we've covered this a number of times over the past four years. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 18:26, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. That's kind of a "figger filbert" issue. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:54, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
In the late 1870s, RBIs were viewed as such. They weren't even considered an official baseball stat. Surely, there are a bevy of numbers beyond those that might be added here -- such as "at bats" and "on base percentage" and "saves" -- that might better qualify as a figger issue, no?  ;-) --Epeefleche (talk) 19:02, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
The most important stats are those that have to do with producing runs. I suppose the emphasis on batting average had to do with the perception that a guy with a better average is a better hitter, i.e. that he "sees the ball better". But bases-on-balls likewise demonstrate a keen batting eye. You might call the rise of the OBP a statistical "Williams shift". I'm not sure anyone thought much about OBP until Teddy Ballgame and his scientific approach to hitting came along. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:09, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
Agreed. I, as I expect you can, can recall the days when the NYT League Leaders did not include OBP. What I'm struggling with in that discussion is the view of some that we should reflect batting average. But they should as a general matter delete mention in the infobox of, for example, OBP. Three or four editors have expressed that view, declared it an overwhelming consensus, and at least one has gone about deleting OBP, etc. As "clutter" and non-consensus.--Epeefleche (talk) 19:25, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
  • What do you think about limiting editor discretion somewhat. So, of the three batter #s, say if they are filled in at all, two should be OBP and SP. And if the 3 pitcher #s are filled in at all, and it is for a closer, one # should be saves. We could expand on this concept. Result: addresses your implicit concern that some stats we never heard of will be the stats filled in. What I'm seeing, is our colleague going around deleting OBP from the infobox, because of his interpretation of "consensus" in that string.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:08, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


Stephen Strasburg, first ballot HOFer yeah or nay? Soxwon (talk) 03:35, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

You bet! As with Mark Fidrich, David Clyde, and the immortal Clint Hartung. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:16, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, I just got tired of Sportscenter acting as though thi[s man were God. I remember them fawning over Barry Zito and having this same discussion with him... Soxwon (talk) 04:29, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
If it's the usual pattern, they'll overuse him and burn him out within a year or two. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:00, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Just like Justin Verlander, Jeremy Bonderman, Mark Prior, Dontrelle Willis, Jason Jennings, Ben Sheets, Francisco Liriano...Damn, they really DO burn through a lot pitchers don't they? (And I'm just going back the ten years I've payed attention to baseball) Soxwon (talk) 05:09, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Verlander looks pretty good to me. Outside of 2008, his numbers look solid. Rest of your list rings true though. Face-wink.svg Wknight94 talk 18:00, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Not sure whether Bugs is old enough to remember Dick Radatz, who had one of the most conspicuous two-hot-years-and-burnt-out-forever careers ever. PhGustaf (talk) 18:16, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
You bet! And old enough to remember Barney Schultz, who had something similar happen when he was with the Cubs, and with that reminder I went over and made a few improvements to his article, so who says this discussion was all just yakkety-yak? :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:09, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

*Phew* 1955? Sometimes I feel like the Henery Hawk to your Foghorn there Bugsy. Soxwon (talk) 19:28, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Joke at AN/I

I removed the joke you made about a Polish man from AN/I. Making jokes that belittle a nationality is not appropriate for anywhere on Wikipedia, let alone a board of frequently high tensions. Fences&Windows 14:34, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Then you totally missed the point. I could have the same joke about Ole and Lena. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:38, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

A question

Got a question for you! I am considering doing an article on a single regular season baseball game, the July 10, 1932 Athletics-Indians game, which is interesting for a lot of reasons, due to the "blue laws", the Athletics had to play on the road on that Sunday, for a one game series with the Indians, meantime they were playing 4 home doubleheaders on the days around the game (9 games in 5 days), so Mack took only two pitchers (he was also saving on train fare), Lew Krausse Sr. left the game after an inning (supposedly knocked out although I am not sure, more research needed), and Eddie Rommel came in, and pitched the rest of the game, which ended 18-17 Athletics after 18 innings, and all sorts of records were set. It may also have led to the abolition of the Pennsylvania blue laws (more research needed). I'm concerned about the possibility of an AfD. Thoughts? Thanks,--Wehwalt (talk) 11:43, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, to get you started, here's the Retrosheet game log for the A's in 1932:[4] which shows they played 6 doubleheaders in the space of less than 2 weeks - in late June and early July, in the daytime, which must have been fun. NOT. "Knocked out" could mean literally or could be figuratively "knocked out of the box", which left that poor sap Rommel to pitch the other 17 innings (although surely they could have brought a position player in to pitch if it came to that). I recommend starting the article as a sub-page under your user ID, which will keep the deletion-happy editors away from it, and accumulate information until it looks good and "notable". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:03, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
I googled [cleveland indians july 10 1932] just to see what would turn up. It seems that Johnny Burnett (baseball) set a single-game record by collecting 9 hits that day (a fact documented in his article). A list of records set in that game would be a good bit of info, especially any records that still stand, such as Burnett's. Another interesting one-game situation, noted in the the Billy Maharg article, was the game the Tigers played against the A's in 1912 when the Tigers players staged a one-day strike after Ty Cobb was suspended for attacking a fan. On that occasion, the A's pounded the rag-tag team the Tigers put together. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:08, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I know, and Jimmie Fox hit 3 home runs, and the 29 hits against poor Rommel were a major league record too. I am hoping to go to Cooperstown and spend a day researching there, perhaps in November. I am hoping I can tie the game to the abolition of the blue laws, which helped lead to the ridiculous situation. I agree, I will do it in my userspace. I've been looking for a sports topic on which to do a FA from scratch, and this game has been my best candidate. It all depends on how much in terms of articles and so forth they have up there. Thanks for the sheet. I think Krausse must have been injured, I can hardly see Mack going to the bullpen so early with only one pitcher out there for any other reason. Mack was obviously unwilling to invest many resources in winning this game with all the doubleheaders going on. Incidentally, with the win, the A's got as close to the Yankees as they ever would get the rest of the season. Lots of interesting stuff, and I'll keep you posted on it!--Wehwalt (talk) 23:37, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
I don't know for sure what the National Baseball Library would have on it, but you could probably find out a fair amount by getting hold of newspaper coverage via microfilm, for Cleveland and Philadelphia, at least for the game itself. I have a 1970s book called The Scrapbook History of Baseball, and on page 138 it has a "clipping" about that game, titled "Records Flop As Athletics Take Indians". Unfortunately, it does not say why Krausse was taken out in the first inning. As far as blue laws are concerned, the first legal Sunday home games for the A's were in April of 1934, and it's possible contemporary newspaper coverage would have spoken about what led to the abolition of that particular blue law. There's a book from the 1990s called To Everything a Season, by Bruce Kuklick, which discusses the blue law situation on pages 70-72, but it does not mention the 1932 game. It does say the A's tried various tactics to pressure the government into abolishing the Sunday baseball ban, and that for 1934 the state gave local governments the option to override the state blue laws. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:09, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
I see you wrote the original article 3 years. What was your source for "knocked out"? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:13, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
I don't remember, I was a lot sloppier back then. We're talking about the Krausse and Rommel articles? I would expect that the Hall of Fame would have a large number of clippings from that era, that kinda thing. I would get in touch with them first. I've read the NY Times article as I have access to their archives, it is fairly uniformative.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:16, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Here's a Google Books reference to a Baseball Digest article on the game.[5] It doesn't shed much additional light. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:23, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
No, but it is a good little article which catches most of what I had learned (except that it doesn't say that Mack's goal was also to save trainfare). And it still doesn't say why Krausse was relieved. I do like Mack's comment at the end of the game ... I would like to have seen BD's bibliography on this.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:46, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
In searching for this game, I haven't seen anything to suggest that Krausse was literally "knocked out", just that he didn't pitch well and Mack replaced him, which he might not have done if he knew the game was going to go so long - but if he had left him in, maybe it would have finished in 8 1/2! ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:51, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
I agree, obviously Mack had no idea what would happen, and it was 1932, when pitchers were expected to finish the game, so Mack believed Rommel would do what was necessary, which he did. Just a bad managerial decision that wound up turning out OK. I wonder if the sportswriters following the team dared ask Mr. Mack any questions about it on the train ride back to Philly.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:58, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Given that he was constantly trying to get the officials to lift the blue laws, he might have done it on purpose. But they crossed him up, by winning. I think your best bet would be to look for local coverage, in Cleveland and in Philly, the day after the game. They would probably have more info than the N.Y. Times would. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:16, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes, and the day after that as well, the sportswriters may not have had time to file all their thoughts before jumping on that train. Fortunately the game only took 4:05, and there were a lot of trains in those days.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:34, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
4:05. What a marathon. Still, it's long compared with the 3:50 that was needed to play those 26 innings in 1920. I would think, though, that the next day's papers would at least indicate why the pitcher was taken out, or at least clarify if he was literally or just figuratively "knocked out". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:40, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
I doubt he was knocked unconscious, I'm more interested in whether he was injured or not. Besides, I've been to Cooperstown only twice and would enjoy going again, once the summer crowds clear. Of course, the 26 innings was 1-1, wasn't it? I remember going to bed as a 12 year old listening to the Mets-Cardinals game, woke up in the morning the Mets had lost in 25 innings, the longest decision ever.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:46, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Local papers might say. More likely than the Times, which would have merely given a game summary. By all means, go to Cooperstown! Even you don't find any new data, at least you were there. Yes, the 26 inning game was 1-1, with both starters going the full 26. I also recall that Cardinals-Mets 25 inning game, from 1974.[6] As I recall, I heard the early part of the game on the radio, then went to my part-time job which ran from 8 pm to midnight, and was surprised to find the game still going when I left work. I think it finally ended around 1:00 a.m. central time. My favorite moment was when the ultra-tired Jack Buck truncated the usual post-game disclaimer by simply saying, "This game is presented under the authority of major league baseball - and is prohibited!" I think the White Sox had a 25-inning game sometime during the 1980s, but it was suspended and completed the next day, which seems like cheating somehow. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:57, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
That White Sox game was in 1984[7] and it was actually suspended after 17 and they played 8 more innings the next day before the Sox finally won it. And as I recalled correctly, Harold Baines hit the walk-off in the last of 25th. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:07, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Though somewhat shorter, I have memories of the 16 inning Mets Astros playoff game from '86. I watched the first nine innings at home, then listened to it on the train on the way to grad school. Couldn't listen to it on the PATH train, but the final two innings in class at NYU, with the professor very tolerant, especially when I announced the Mets victory.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:12, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Anyhow, how should the article be named?--Wehwalt (talk) 19:41, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Is there enough material for a full article, or should it be an expanded portion of an article on lengthy games? Another angle might be what BBD did, which is to call it one of the odder relief appearances. In fact, is it the longest relief effort ever? I think you should run this by the baseball project page and see what a wider audience has to say about it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:08, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Dunno. May not know until I get up there. May be best to wait until I do.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:15, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
If you pose the same basic question at the project page, you might find someone who knows more about it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:17, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Good point. I'll prepare something then.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:19, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: Corn

Well, if you will, I have the advantage of not being American. :) Please feel free to comment further on Talk:Corn. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 17:09, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Please don't get upset. (I could just as easily tell you that you ignored the questions that I asked...) It's just a matter of being bold to tilt the compromise slightly more in one direction over the other. At the same time, I didn't use my admin rights to e.g. lock it in this position, anyone is free to revert. The end result is still a compromise, and one in which the title of the page users end up at is called the way Europeans call it, so it just can't be said that it's tilted all the way in the Americans' favor. Based on my reading of the discussions (2007 onwards!), it is slightly more appropriate this way. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:30, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Just wondering

What ever became of Techmobowl and What's his name? Just wondering. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GEbyabe (talkcontribs) 19:20, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Your hobbies...

Mum's the word, I won't say a thing! Just remember, I know everything but I am very appreciative of what you've been up to. I promise you noone will ever find out through me.... (talk) 00:33, 7 August 2010 (UTC)


Do you fancy a meet up at any point? I don't think we've ever been introduced. (talk) 00:37, 7 August 2010 (UTC)


Hi Baseball Bugs. Hope all is well. I recently came across this report you made at WP:AIV. I know I already blocked J1mj4m as a sockpuppet of LC, but I'm interested in knowing what made you think that this particular user was a sockpuppet. I was asked via email to clarify the reason behind the block, but all I could say was that you had much experience dealing with LC and that I trusted your judgment. I look forward to your reply. Best, FASTILY (TALK) 02:44, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

My suspicions are based on two things: (1) That he went to that particular IP address, out of the blue, which was already blocked as an LC sock; and (2) that LC has been active tonight in general. If you're convinced he's not LC, you could unblock him. But I would like to hear his explanation of why he went to that one particular IP and posted a fake "unblocked" notice. If he's not a sock of LC, he's a sock of somebody, almost for sure. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:03, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
I too have spoken to the user in question and I have had a few misgivings but AGFed what he said. He does seem to want a lot of tools but is willing to work for it. If he is Light Current, he is a pretty damn good actor in my opinion. I do think the IP address thing is pretty damning and would support it if you blocked him. If you look at his userpage history, the fact that he created a subsection on me and then deleted it is pretty creepy in and of itself. If the user is indeed a sock, I was duped for two hours of my life on IRC though. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:21, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Please explain

How Lion barmen (talk · contribs)'s edits constitute harassment and trolling. Steven Zhang The clock is ticking.... 03:23, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

He came from nowhere and his first edit was a baiting comment directed at me. He's not a newbie, he's a sock. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:26, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Prove it. Their edits after that seemed fine. Or did you not check that? Steven Zhang The clock is ticking.... 05:31, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
It's probably Light current pretending to be an idiot. But I'm sure you'll figure that out soon enough. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:32, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
It may be. OK, I take it back, but if you've seen the amount of people throwing shit at IP/new editors in the past few days that didn't deserve it, you'd probably be agitated too. Sorry. Steven Zhang The clock is ticking.... 05:34, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Maybe that's because a lot of trolls seem to have come out from under their rocks in the last few days. You can fix it now or fix it later, that's up to you. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:37, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Not really sure what you mean by fix it. I mean, look at this page, for example.[8] I've just come back from a break and the first thing I see is people being excessively bitey. I didn't see their first edit until you pointed it out. Steven Zhang The clock is ticking.... 05:39, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


  • Steve, can I interest you to read this (compiled by a wise ole' sage)? BTW, BB and I we are frequent targets of such cowardice behaviours by supposedly new users, no prize for guessing who them assless chaps are. Best. --Dave ♠♣♥♦№1185♪♫™ 08:03, 12 August 2010 (UTC)


If you think that I am a sockpuppet of Light Current, and J1mJ4m one of my socks, then why have you not blocked J1mJ4m? I have no idea who that user is, and I am certainly NOT a sock of Light Current. Basically, Im writing this message to inform you that I am going to start getting shitty with you. If you accept that I am not a sock of LC, then we are done and I shall never hassle you again. However, if you continue to block me as an LC sock, then I will come back with a new IP from this range. And if you range block me, I will switch service provider. I will not go away until you admit you were wrong. I will await your apology, but somehow I suspect admitting you are wrong in front of everyone else is beyond your capabilities, hence I shan't hold my breath. Like I say, if you do come round, then I shall leave and we can both stop wasting our time. So bugs, are you man enough to admit you made a mistake? (talk) 16:15, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

I have no authority to block anyone. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:17, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


For the help rendered, and as you've put it nicely... some Admins can be overreacting sometimes as they fail to check through properly before conducting such overbearing revokes without even batting half an eyelid. Best. --Dave ♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™ 17:33, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

A hare's burrow is his castle

I'm sure this ranks as canvassing (although I think it's on the current Centralized Discussion template), but Elmer and the humorless Fuddsters are out to dynamite your burrow again. (No respect for a venerated septuagenarian!) See: Wikipedia_talk:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Does_WP:NOTMYSPACE_apply_to_secret_pages? —— Shakescene (talk) 09:06, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

I think there's a song, "Too Much Time on My Hands". Luckily, my not-so-secret page actually is linked from elsewhere, so it ain't much of a secret. But it's good to know the rest of wikipedia is in such model condition that there's time for focusing on such trivia. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:54, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


This may be of dubious taste, but it had impeccable comedic timing! I nearly snorted tea out of my nose... --Stephan Schulz (talk) 17:35, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now and then. Somewhere, Il Duce and Der Fuehrer are doing likewise, but maybe just because the tea they get where they are is really hot. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:14, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


Hello BB, mind taking a look at this? Note that his first edit mentioned you and then out of nowhere he pops on my page to troll... so by my dead reckoning, he must be a sock of someone you know. Thoughts~? --Dave ♠♣♥♦№1185♪♫™ 04:55, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

It's being discussed on WP:ANI now. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
And blocked now. -FASTILY (TALK) 06:03, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Thank you kindly. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:03, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes, thanks to you both. --John (talk) 06:21, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
ANd thanks to all to, as I has an appontment with my pillow to keep when all this started. I do note that the rumors of Bug's retirement have been greatly exacerberated. - BilCat (talk) 18:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
I tried retirement once. Didn't like it. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:41, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I've quit WP 3 times myself - yet I'm still here! My name is BilCat, and I'm a wikipedia-holic. - BilCat (talk) 16:46, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

See for more info on the retirement claim. Wknight94 talk 11:30, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Please don't retire Bugs, we'd never be able to replace your wit and personality :). Soxwon (talk) 17:20, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Just like some journeyman baseball player slugging out the happiest years of his life on an AAA club in Florida or California. Tried once to become a big-league manager, but was voted down by his comrades in the Players' Association, before he woke up and thought better of the idea. Tried retirement, too, but couldn't stand being away from the diamond, the clubhouse, the ballpark and the fans. The sting of the linseed oil, the smell of Ben-Gay. ;-} —— Shakescene (talk) 20:39, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Possible Retirement

I am getting a bit tired of the routine again, and I may retire from the Englist Wikipedia at the end of the hear. This should be bad news for my friends and good news for my enemies. By Baseball Bugs, 8/12/2010.

Possible Retirement

I am getting a bit tired of the routine again, and I may retire from the English Wikipedia at the end of the year. This should be bad news for my friends and good news for my enemies. By Baseball Bugs, 8/12/2010.

"Christian fascists"

Your "Christian fascists" claim at Talk:Marriage may or may not be correct - but in any case, it's not good strategy. It's not going to win over the folks you are arguing with, and it doesn't make you the appearance of being the calm, reasonable individual that might serve to win over undecided folks looking in. As a matter of Wikipedia policy, it's both against WP:PA and it fails to advance the cause of editing the article, so its something that shouldn't be on the talk page. I know those IP guys ain't exactly being good neighbors, but this isn't a place where you win by being lower than them. Better to win with a wicked grin than a scowl. --Nat Gertler (talk) 16:53, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

There is no way to "win" against them, as they are pushing a specific agenda and will continue to do so till their dying day. As far as personal attacks, I didn't name any names. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:35, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
If you are refering to me I am not here to "win" anything, but to work on articles of interest to me. I don't need to answer the same question three times with variations in the way it is asked from "Dr. Phil" (who?) to "the pope". I answered your question adequately the first time, but you have met me in bad-faith repeatedly. I won't be answering you again, until I sense you are not simply trying to waste my time82.18.164.15 (talk) 01:03, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
No, you have not given anything approaching a good answer to that question. And it is you that is wasting our time by trying to push a specific agenda. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:30, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Re, Note,

Quite the coincidence indeed.— dαlus Contribs 21:48, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


We'll miss you when you hang up your spikes at the end of the year. Al Desmond 8/16/2010


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Bobby Thomson

He checked out Monday, at 86. Not that many one-shot heroes in the game (well, there's Larsen, and Fisk too, though Pudge has solid HoF credentials). Not that many ballparks, either, where hitting home runs is like playing golf. PhGustaf (talk) 21:04, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Wow, I hadn't heard. Thanks for the update. Yes, the Polo Grounds has to be the most strangely designed major league park there ever was. I wonder how many homers Mel Ott would have hit in a place like Braves Field? Probably not near as many. Thomson played a number of years, though he must have figured his career was on the downside when they sent him to the Cubs. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:11, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Red Sox fanatics have never forgiven Bucky "F***ing" Dent for doing nothing more than his job. (He didn't escape a visit to the stands of Fenway a few years back completely unscathed.) As far as I know, he did nothing vicious, malicious, underhanded or improper. Of course, one play will forever dog the life of Bill Buckner as surely as the shot heard 'round the world marked the life of Bobby Thomson. And I'd heard of the Merkle Boner long before learning anything about the rather more substantial career of Fred Merkle. —— Shakescene (talk) 21:24, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Fans sometimes forget that this is professional baseball. I'm sure there were some who said "Traitor!" about Johnny Damon as they did about Roger You-Can't-Prove-It Clemens. But if that fan were offered a higher paying job at a rival company, don't you think he'd take it? (I still call him "Bucky F'ing Dent", though.) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:30, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
The preferred epithet among the Fenway Faithful, I believe, was "Johnny Demon", but sometimes, as with Roger Clemens, those animosities give way to better memories over time. —— Shakescene (talk) 00:13, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I don't know for sure, but I'm thinking Damon didn't diss his former team. I'm reminded of a character named Chuck Knoblauch, who went to the Yanks and dissed Minnesota, and was booed mercilessly every time he brought his over-the-hill body to the Metrodome after that. In contrast, Babe Ruth was held in high esteem in Boston, although he was held in high esteem in a lot of ballparks. (Maybe not in Wrigley Field in 1932.) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:17, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Well, Damon shaved off his beard for several million dollars, and I would shave off mine too. Buckner got a bad rap; there was a very fine defensive first baseman whom a competent manager would have put in in a heartbeat. PhGustaf (talk) 21:44, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
As a diehard Sox Fan, all I have to say about Mr. Damon, is that I wish him well, and hope he is satisfied with the results of his move. As for Bucky F*cking Dent and Aaron F*cking Boone, well their names say it all :) Soxwon (talk) 00:18, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Latest news is that the Tigers are prepared to trade him back to the Red Sox, but (with a no-trade clause in his contract and some bad memories of the circumstances of his earlier departure) Mr. Dæmon himself is thinking over whether he really wants to come back. —— Shakescene (talk) 05:15, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Johnny Dæmon said he thought it over, and decided against leaving the Tigers this year. You can now call him the Detroit Demon or Johnny Dætroit. —— Shakescene (talk) 03:15, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Smart move or non-move. Regardless of circumstances, I've observed over time that when a player returns to his original team after a number of years, the sequel typically does not live up to the original. The Cubs used to do that kind of thing all the time. Come to think of it, they might have their eye on Johnny D right now. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:33, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Funny that you should mention Chicago. Rumour is that another former Red Sox idol, although one who left with far less respect (after e.g. knocking down the travelling secretary), Manny Ramírez, is leaving the Dodgers for the White Sox. Joe Torre's tolerance for Manny being Manny may be even shorter than Tito's. —— Shakescene (talk) 07:13, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
The fact the Dodgers are likely going to miss the playoffs probably figures into it. Manny has done all he can there, as it were. He might fit in with the White Sox. First, Ozzie will be able to understand every word he says in Spanish, and also, Ozzie doesn't seem to mind having characters around (such as A.J.), being as how Guillen himself is something of a character. He also speaks plainly and straightforwardly. When asked why the Cubs were jinxed, he said it has nothing to do with goats, it's just "horse manure teams" (to put it semi-politely). Ryne Sandberg said it a little more eloquently, when asked about why his teams failed even in their best years, "We always seemed to be a player or two away." That's pretty much da truth. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:21, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

I just hope that when Thomson got in up there, Russ Hodges was there to announce him. Soxwon (talk) 21:36, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, as with Jack Buck when Kirby Puckett got there. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:44, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Will he meet that poor, guilty, tormented soul who took his own life over reading the catcher's signs ? —— Shakescene (talk) 00:13, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I wonder how Ralph Branca is taking it. It's like Siamese twins they've been the past 50 years or so.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:33, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I haven't heard. I expect he's upset. Although he also suspected that the Giants won because they were stealing signs, although Thomson always said he didn't do that. But as Bud Greenspan pointed out, if Gil Hodges had been playing a normal first base when the lead is 4-1, the inning might have been over in a hurry and there would have been no Miracle. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:35, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I read the book. If Thompson wasn't stealing signs, I have this bridge in Brooklyn ...--Wehwalt (talk) 00:47, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
And since the Dodgers were fairly certain the Giants were stealing signs, maybe they could have adjusted for it. Also, how did the Giants manage to win the game in Ebbets Field and then lose the first of the two in the Polo Grounds? I think the Dodgers were spoilsports. Although if it weren't for losing on the final day in consecutive years, it would have been Dodgers-Yankees for five consecutive World Series. That would have been interesting. Or maybe not. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:51, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Just as FYI, here's Retrosheet's summary page for all the pennant playoffs.[9]Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:54, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Roger Clemens is still in the news[10].. PhGustaf (talk) 21:31, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Roger just loves attention. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:47, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Sock evasion

FYI, in the event you missed this.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:41, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I saw. Pathetic, ain't it? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:44, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Yep ... though it hasn't made my view drop one iota.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:46, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
We must be increasingly on the alert. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:50, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Or checkuser everyone. I would volunteer to be checked.--Epeefleche (talk) 22:52, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Yep. Those who have nothing to hide have nothing to fear. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:02, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Do I have a conflict of interest?

I may have a personalty conflict with you. Your opinion is appreciated. AboundingHinata talk 00:43, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Explain, please. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I just mess with you :) AboundingHinata talk 00:49, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Roger. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:48, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I just got my name changed. I feel special. Hinata talk 20:50, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
What was wrong with the old one? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:56, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
It is better, less letters, and I like it. That is why. Hinata talk 22:01, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Roger. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:23, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

How to make a musician that sucks sound good.

Slow him down by a factor of eight. HalfShadow 23:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

What can be done about Jerry Vale, though? He's unlistenable at any speed. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:00, 23 August 2010 (UTC)



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to this day

Should I leave it? It seems to add nothing to most sentences, and strikes me as a rather poor way to pad out an article. When I've put 'pointless' in my edit summary, I've done nothing more than delete 'to this day'. If I have only put 'remove' cliche I have (in my opinion) made the sentence more elegant. I just hope there aren't many pages that have 'at this moment in time' in them. Bevo74 (talk) 15:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Adminship 1

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Bugs, We really, really would like to enjoy the entertainment of your candidacy. Your ability to spot drive-bys, trolls, impostors and socks, countered by your paranoia, immaturity, and inability to perform even simple math will always make for a colorful discussion. Please consider nominating yourself for a fun filled adventure. (talk) 18:31, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Nah, it's more fun this way. Being an admin is drudgerous and thankless. The only times I've ever considered running are when other admins have suggested it off-wiki. I guess they want someone to share the misery with. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:11, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm not talking about it being fun to be an Admin. I am talking about the spectacle of the RFA process with you in the center ring! The process will be fun for all. In the end everything will be back to normal, but for a magnificent seven days, we will have much joy. Please do consider. On a seperate note, have you ever been to Bodo? (talk) 00:26, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Adminship 2

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Bugs, We really, really would like to enjoy the entertainment of your candidacy. Your ability to spot drive-bys, trolls, impostors and socks, countered by your paranoia, immaturity, and inability to perform even simple math will always make for a colorful discussion. Please consider nominating yourself for a fun filled adventure. (talk) 18:31, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Nah, it's more fun this way. Being an admin is drudgerous and thankless. The only times I've ever considered running are when other admins have suggested it off-wiki. I guess they want someone to share the misery with. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:11, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm not talking about it being fun to be an Admin. I am talking about the spectacle of the RFA process with you in the center ring! The process will be fun for all. In the end everything will be back to normal, but for a magnificent seven days, we will have much joy. Please do consider. On a seperate note, have you ever been to Bodo? (talk) 00:26, 22 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

Adminship 3

Now that we have fuel, we are concentrating all of our efforts on gaining you your much deserved Adminship. (talk) 02:22, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, OK, I'll run, under these conditions: (1) You make the nomination under your normal registered user account; (2) You canvass enough support votes that I get the job. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:44, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Funniest Commercial I've seen in a long time...

Old Randy's still a fireballer. Soxwon (talk) 02:13, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I finally watched it. Great stuff. I remember one he did when he was still active, talking about his various pitches, one of which he called "Mr. Snappy". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:59, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
"Mr. Snappy." Wasn't that his slider (and if so, I'm there are some other batters with more colorful descriptions of it. Soxwon (talk) 00:55, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes. There was also some footage of a player (maybe John Kruk) ducking away from one of his pitches, and Johnson saying, "I really don't know where a lot of these are going", or some such. Also something about Mr. Snappy having "a mind of its own." To show how effective those ads were, I have no idea which firm he was plugging. (Apparently it was ESPN.) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:05, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
I didn't get it.. Hinata talk 13:11, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Randy Johnson Soxwon (talk) 15:06, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Randy Johnson is notable? Hinata talk 15:10, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Future HOFer. Soxwon (talk) 15:19, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Really? What if he dies? You can't know these things. Hinata talk 15:37, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Too bad they don't induct people into the HoF after death. Oh wait... (If this is an attempt to troll it is really quite pathetic, have a nice day) Soxwon (talk) 15:39, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm not trolling. BTW, how do you like my new signature? 15:48, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
I liked your old one better. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:59, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
Apparently you had some kind of blinker on your name. It didn't show that way on my PC. One of these days I need to upgrade and get rid of this TRS-80. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:05, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
In the Hall of Fame for Great Americans, you have to be already dead for 25 years. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:19, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

David Ortiz

He hit a triple today. Not something that happens often; triples mostly go to guys more nimble than he. Like pretty much everybody. But I'll take the run. PhGustaf (talk) 00:23, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Maybe he tried to stop at second but his momentum carried him on to third? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:30, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
His momentum would have carried him into the Green Monster and perhaps clobbered a fielder or two on the way. Looking it up, I see this is his 14th triple. This is not too bad, considering his mobility, but is less an offensive asset than, say, Don Baylor's talent for being hit by pitches. PhGustaf (talk) 19:17, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Israel may provide some relief in a day or so

See this! - BilCat (talk) 02:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Please do not change title of "List of sportspeople who died during their careers"


Please see my comment on the Language Reference Desk for clarification. Thanks. Marco polo (talk) 12:31, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

You seem to attract dirty laundry...

What you think? Soxwon (talk) 01:38, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Some people are so lonely, they'll accept any kind of attention at all! - BilCat (talk) 01:44, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
I had hoped people got past that stage when they got out of high school. Soxwon (talk) 01:50, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
  • What made you think he was out of high school yet? ;) - BilCat (talk) 02:08, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
While we're at it, you might enjoy the thread at Schadenfraude city. I suppose your personal ban doesn't extend to socks, but my suggestion is that you get a comfy chair and a beer and watch. PhGustaf (talk) 01:51, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
And they keep coming: [11] Soxwon (talk) 01:57, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
The personal ban remains intact regardless of the other guy's status. The IP that poked his head in there might be a sock although the location is wrong. But it seems that the admins have it under control. As for Hinata / Ddd1600 / a range of IP's, it's obvious Hinata is not a new user, but a CU will need to determine if the IP's are him or if it's that impostor that keeps turning up and trying to get other users in trouble (an MO that goes back more than a year). ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:31, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
I am not a sock puppet. Although I did edit on IP's a while ago. See my comments on my case. BTW, those IP's are not mine. I am from North Carolina. Hinata talk 12:36, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Sock puppet case

Who did this? I just wish someone would checkuser me to find out I am in North Carolina. Hinata talk 12:35, 25 August 2010 (UTC)


(I think I basically agree with your oft-repeated stance against "nannying" others at the desks. Generally, it isn't a good idea, and I hesitate whether to make this post or not, but here goes):

Do you think it's possible to activate some sort of internal Bugsbrain-filter that might stop you from making comments and jokes at the expense of a group of people? I'm not talking about referenced answers that are pertinent to the question but happen to document unpleasant truths, WP is not censored and all that. But I think we all should be careful in our more off-topic comments and opinions.

The desks are read and populated by all sorts of creatures. Different age groups, cultural backgrounds, locations, levels of education, etc ... I know that political correctness is a concept everyone loves to hate, but it's really just about not unnecessarily offending other readers and volunteers. You've read the reactions. I dislike seeing that many threads prompted by your style, but I think it would make things a lot easier for everyone, if you kept your self-censor active. Just about all of my favorite comedians boldly defy our cultural norms and taboos, but the desks really aren't the best place for this kind of routine. The audiences are different. I hope this doesn't come across as patronizing. My intention is to make the desks more enjoyable for all, including yourself. (unless you're a masochist :-) ---Sluzzelin talk 16:51, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Hey Bugs! Hope you are having a great holiday.

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
Resolved: Basically, zee lookee had been booked as a sock of an alien... checked, confirmed and stamped by a C U later~!

I'll look after the pages until you get back. ;)--Brave Dragon 02:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the help. I wasn't that far away. I was just around the block. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:37, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

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Dawkins syndrome

G'day Bugs. You made a brief posting at WT:RD. I have now made a brief reply. See diff. Best regards. Dolphin (t) 05:10, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Good luck in the upcoming season. Assuming you think your team has a prayer. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:36, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. Season? (Cricket?) Dolphin (t) 07:41, 4 September 2010 (UTC)


Tanks near geilenkirchen.jpg

Apology accepted.--intelati 20:29, 4 September 2010 (UTC)


Hey Bugs do you actually ever contribute to the pedia proper, or are you just jacking around here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:12, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Coming from you, LC, that's pretty funny. Actually, you're a large part of the reason I stick with wikipedia: You're so cute when you get mad. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)


Facepalm2.svg ...between the palms. Facepalm2.svg

Removal on the reference desk

May I ask why you removed this question, and responses, from the Reference desk: [12]? I understand that the question may not have been asked in good faith (or maybe it was), but many of the responses were adequate. I think it would be at least appropriate for you to indicate somewhere (either on the Reference desk talk page, or the talk pages of the responders) what you have done, so that we don't have to dig through the history to find out where it's gone, and wonder why it disappeared. Thank you. Buddy431 (talk) 16:08, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

It was posted by a banned user. Banned users are not allowed to edit. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:13, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
  • We can't really blame them newbies, eh? Correct me if I got this wrong but they're generally (and blissfully, if I might add) ignorant of the number of lurker, stalker, as well as aliens (aka introduced species) hanging around Wikipedia and Bugs' feeding troth. Face-grin.svg --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185♪♫™ 19:05, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
  • The newbies I can see being unaware, but not the ones who've been on the ref desks for years. Oblivion knows no bounds. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:38, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
I've been on the reference desk since last December, well short of "years". And I don't know about others, but I would really like a note on my talk page when you delete something that I wrote. Buddy431 (talk) 21:05, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

My previous suggestion

your e-mail is currently disabled (again) so I cannot contact on that route. Can I ask you to reconsider the suggestion which I recently made to you via e-mail? I am really certain that it is a good idea. --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 18:22, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

If it's to go back on vacation, you're probably right. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:28, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Elsie (sigh)

What we need to do is create an WP:LTA entry, but 'tis a lot of effort to expend on this waste of time. I thought your suggestion to leave the taunting post there was OK, but of course it got lawyered out immediately. Just save the diff link and post it in future, it really does say it all. Franamax (talk) 22:02, 5 September 2010 (UTC)


Growing up in Chicago in the 70s, it was common for me to see "N***** beware" signs as a kid. According to this news report, some things haven't changed much.[13] A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 21:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

There is no shortage of ugliness in the world, is there? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:33, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Your last ANI post regarding MoMK

Bugs, pondering a question on the Humanities in his attic.

And who said one can't have a good view from a basement? You just proofed them wrong. (Just remembered a very old conversation where you posted a basement pic and claimed to edit from there).TMCk (talk) 19:30, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Hey, I'm out of the cellar. I'm in the attic now. :) I've been watching that article for awhile, with some interest, though I don't think I've ever edited it unless it was to revert blatant vandalism. And I don't have a clue what the "truth" of the situation is, but that's not wikipedia's purpose anyway. Generally speaking, the "truth" is whatever reliable sources say it is, from our perspective. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:51, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Wow. So you made it all the up to the attic but if user:Sluzzelin's pic edit can be trust you're still a poor poet. Bummer. I really wished you better. No just be careful not to lean out of the window too far as you might experience a deep fall that could place you in the hospital's basement. :) In any case, please keep up your wittiness even if in pain. :) TMCk (talk) 21:36, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Will do. The resemblance is uncanny. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:05, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
If you mean the pic I agree. It hardly resembles a rabbit. Disgraceful if you ask me.TMCk (talk) 22:50, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
It used to be that anytime someone was tested for pregnancy, they would say, "The rabbit died." You never hear that anymore. I tell youse, there's no respect nowadays. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:54, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Seems like the duck was right: It's rabbit season.TMCk (talk) 00:12, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
I've been respectfully worshipping an elderly rabbit on my talk page for over three years! [14]. ---Sluzzelin talk 22:57, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Beautiful. Can I use that? And ironically, you've two Greys on your page: a Joel and a Hare. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:02, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
Use?! :-O Of course you can and should welcome the White Rabbit here or anywhere else, I'm too endeared and cannot part with him yet, but the elusive Rabbit can be in many places at once (like other lagomorphs on this page :-) ---Sluzzelin talk 09:47, 8 September 2010 (UTC)


[15] The link is WP:UAA by the way. Enjoy, Jmlk17 06:57, 8 September 2010 (UTC)


Bugs, I would really appreciate your professional, third party, neutral & hairy opinion → here ←. Please let me know if a trout is in order too, otherwise please serve it out to whoever you deemed fittest. Face-grin.svg Best. --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 07:23, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure what to think about this one. An article based entirely on allegations seems slippery. But the motivation to delete it also seems slippery. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:44, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Mary Kay Letourneau

Blackworm insists on singlehandedly restoring the phrase "second degree rape of a child" [16], despite being reverted by multiple editors, and a clear consensus against him on the talk page. Before a request for comment can be opened, two users must certify that they have attempted to resolve the dispute. If this behaviour continues, would you be willing to certify an RFC? Peter Karlsen (talk) 01:42, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

The dilemma is that he's technically, legally, probably correct. I just think it's POV-pushing. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:06, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Remember Spaceman?

He's back. Far out.[17] PhGustaf (talk) 06:48, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

striking my comments

Please dont do that, object or whatever but please do not strike through my comments just because you dissagree with them. Off2riorob (talk) 18:19, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

You marked it resolved and it's not resolved. You don't own the "resolved" marker. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:42, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Jailhouse Rock

OneWayRadio (talk · contribs)'s first edit was on WT:Reference desk, I'm guessing some kind of potty-mouth connection with the Italian who has the one or two way-radio here, per One o'clock, two o'clock, three o'clock rock. Thoughts? --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 03:27, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Maybe this one is only half-Italian? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:31, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Could it be that he is only half a king running half-way out to meet around the block? Right now, I'm guessing how fast he'll get indefed. --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 03:35, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Killjoy alert # 2,347

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Secret pages 2 Anudder Fudder is trying to smoke out the hare's lair. —— Shakescene (talk) 08:01, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Note to the Killjoy: they already feel embattled - showing up here to issue "commands" is pouring gasoline of the fire, even if you think it's just water. Please stop. - BilCat (talk) 09:15, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
I see my name on that one list, but it's scratched out, so I assume there's no problem. Something about not doing "hidden barnstars". I reckon not. Goofy little "awards" are not really my thing. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:54, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
The Goofy Little "Award" Barnstar
Awarded in honour of your dropping an irresistible straight line. Couldn't help myself. :) {and can't be bothered to format it right neither) Franamax (talk) 21:26, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Wow. I can honestly say I've never been so honored. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:03, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
It took me like half an hour to figure out how to hack that together. That is time I could have spent being a sanctimonious wiki-jerk instead. I should give you one of those "Defender of the Wiki" stars for that accomplishment alone. ;) Franamax (talk) 22:50, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
No cookies for you, young man! And I guess we won't be seeing a certain hungry hare at the WikiCup Awards, either. ;-) —— Shakescene (talk) 21:13, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


Re this post by you on an article talk page: please use article talk pages only for discussing the content of the article, not for speculating about the motivations of other editors, and not for expressing your own personal views about the subject of the article. I've also posted a comment on Blackworm's talk page. Thanks. Coppertwig (talk) 16:22, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

That was from a week ago. I'll get right on it! ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:02, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Actually, I stopped watching that Mary Kay cosmetic page several days ago. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:09, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Lions. Bunnies an' other shit.

Yeah. HalfShadow 20:53, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

So who says there's a shortage of creativity, eh? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:07, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

What was that all about?

I have no idea what's going on but it seems very funny. - Wikidemon (talk) 06:21, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

A lot of funny things go on in Wikipedia. You might need to be more specific. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:24, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Chabad smurf. - Wikidemon (talk) 06:37, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
Somebody thought that one photo made that guy look like a Smurf, i.e. it looked blue. Then some nanny changed the section title, and some other nannies have tried to close down the resultant megillah without consensus. Had they left well enough alone in the first place, nothing would have come of it. You're right, it is kind of perversely funny. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:41, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
I don't know what it is but this kills me. I hope it's okay to laugh without consensus. - Wikidemon (talk) 06:47, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
I wonder sometimes. As I've said more than once there, and of course no one's paying attention, they're yelling at the wrong guy. Their complaint should be with that website that posted several ugly photos, some worse than the blue-faced one. This is an "Emperor has no clothes" kind of situation. One editor says, "Look at that picture! It makes the rabbi look like a Smurf!" Another editor says, "How dare you compare the rabbi to a Smurf?" And it goes downhill from there. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:51, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
No, you've got it all wrong because no one cares what you compare anything to, as long as you do not cross the line and insert headings or sub-headings into articles that are needlessly insulting when non-insulting simpler wording could easily have been used. Thus, if the issue is about a photo that looks too blue you don't right off the bat resort to labeling the subject "Smurf Shach" especially as it was done by an editor, User Insert coins (talk · contribs) who almost always edits Christian and Church articles, so this might even have a taint of possible antisemitism in some editors' eyes -- and yes, one must be very careful when dealing with topics relating to Jews, Judaism and rabbis not to come across as playing around casually and comicly in the Nazis' Der Stürmer style (with Jews with hooked noses depicted and caricaturized like Captain Hook and other despicable cartoons) to hurt other editors' sensibilities, and therefore it's best and safe to stick to using WP:NPOV and simpler naming like "Problem with blue photo" or some such and not get into the murky ground of invoking smurf, or bugs bunny, or Alfred E. Neuman etc etc as "adjectives" for the subjects at hand. How about some maturity? IZAK (talk) 07:58, 14 September 2010 (UTC)


Please stop reopening that topic on AN/I - content OR policy disputes have no place there unless something requires admin involvement. I really recommend you drop this, I am closing the thread again because it is cluttering the board (note; there is no requirement to be an admin to do such a thing) if you want to re-open it bring something new to the table. --Errant [tmorton166] (chat!) 12:49, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I am having a hard time understanding you. IZAK appears to have made a good faith attempt to refactor a talk page header, the thread was then archived as inappropriate commentary by an admin. This has been upheld as generally correct behaviour if not handled brilliantly; I really recommend you just drop it, nothing good will come of continued disruption of AN/I. Non-admin closures of topics is generally accepted on AN/I - there is no requirement to be an admin to do so. (it is worth pointing out that WP:NOTCENSORED refers to content and not to talk page discussions where off topic commentary/discussion/ridicule is removed) --Errant [tmorton166] (chat!) 12:56, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
There is absolutely no closing requirements such as those you demand in the AN/I thread. Of course you could open another thread to discuss whether non-admin "clerk" work is appropriate on AN/I (current consensus seems to be; it is fine). As the act of closing has no requirement for admin tools there seems no requirement for an admin to do it :) Just someone uninvolved. I refrained re-closing because another relatively uninvolved editor disputed the close & now I am involved. But you cannot impose closing requirements on a thread w/o consensus, in fact it seems pretty rude to do so --Errant [tmorton166] (chat!) 13:21, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Warning and request

Hi there Baseball Bugs. I am not sure what's bugging you, but you have veered into several violations of WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. You have (at least) twice referred to me as a "nanny" which I strongly object to. We can disagree with each other without resorting to insults and name calling. I am not usually given to seeking outside help to deal with disruptive editors, but your refusal to tone down and stop escalating your war of words that is resulting in a violation of WP:NOTBATTLEGROUND as well, leaves me no choice but to warn you that further name-calling and insults on simple talk page dialogues or anywhere will not be tolerated and will force me to seek censure of your gratuitously insulting and hurtful language as I have tried to explain to you on the ANI and Rabbi Shach talk pages in greater detail. Please stop falling into the WP:SPIDERMAN syndrome !!! Thank you and looking forward to your calm cooperation. IZAK (talk) 07:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

What "bugs" me specifically, and has for quite awhile now, is wikipedia's continual embracing of illustrations that look like they were taken by someone using a camera for the first time and hasn't quite got it figured out yet. As for the "nanny" thing, I'm commenting on your behavior, which is not a personal attack, as I don't know you from Adam. I'm no longer watching that page, so your timing is a bit off. The ones who like those ugly photos are now stuck with them. I don't know what the term "Spiderman syndrome" means, nor do I care to find out. And what I'm looking forward to is, with any luck, never crossing paths again. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:01, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Baseball Bugs/hidden

User:Baseball Bugs/hidden, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Baseball Bugs/hidden (2nd nomination) and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Baseball Bugs/hidden during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Triona (talk) 00:42, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Considering the last user to nom that page for MfD was indef-blocked soon after, I wonder how long this user will last? Quite odd that people keep finding "secret" pages. They'll never find my secret page, because it only stays a secret if I don't create it. ;) - BilCat (talk) 01:03, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Indeed. My real secret pages are on my PC and thus invisible to wikipedia. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:22, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Oh my! That's grounds for indef blocking! :P - BilCat (talk) 02:00, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Didn't HBO have a show about that subject? "Indef Comedy Jam"? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:05, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
I don't know - I don't have Home Blocks Office. - BilCat (talk) 02:25, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
DING! And the boy wins a cigar. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:02, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Just semi-obvious pun waiting to be made. I stumble upun them every so often. This is exactly the sort of nonsensical fun "hidden" pages are good for. Any way, I moved an old essay from my early days on WP to User:BilCat/Secret Page in hopes of getting more traffic! - BilCat (talk) 08:27, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Wow. As one of the Peanuts characters once said, "You rarely see such carefully prepared sarcasm." Of course, that essay was in 2007, and things have changed greatly since then. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:41, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, the essay seem quite mild now. Imagine if I wrote in the whole "pending changes" sage: "Instead of locking the doors, it was proposed that...." :) - BilCat (talk) 09:00, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
  • When I revisited User:Baseball Bugs/somethingelse, I became shocked by the recent additions. The creator of this page blatantly violated all the conditions of WP:NOTMYSPACE to make a point. That this user had the temerity to violate Wikipedia Policy © shocked me beyond belief. I was stunned and bewildered. Who, in Jimbo's name, could do such an evil and heinous thing? I stumbled back to Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Baseball Bugs/hidden (2nd nomination) to scrub out my support of this page and cast a delete opinion. Then I stopped. I returned to User:Baseball Bugs/somethingelse to take another look. All of a sudden, it dawned upon me. This page is actually funny, unlike secret pages that are trite and useless and deserving of the digital dustbin. This page flaunts Wikipedia policy for the sake of flaunting it. And to add a cherry onto the whole thing: §hep wrote "Random Micro§oft $pam for you! Have a nice day." on 00:01, 3 June 2008 (UTC). A have a nice day reference? A reference to my baby, my favorite article on Wikipedia? I give up. I admit defeat. I wave the white flag. I succumb to you, Bugs, for I have no strength left to deny the existence of such a nice, nice, nice, nice, nice, nice page. Cunard (talk) 06:47, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
    • Thank you for your nice comments. :) You are getting nicely close to understanding what the purpose of that page really is. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:00, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

September 2010

make like a honeybee
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to WP:ANI, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Ishdarian|lolwut 09:11, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

  • Please don't add any fuel to the fire. Thanks! Ishdarian|lolwut 09:11, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
  • I have reverted your recent edit to WP:ANI because you modified another user's comment, claiming it was a personal attack. It was referring to the thread, not an individual, and was in no way an attack, let alone a personal one, and accusing others of making a personal attack could be construed as a personal attack itself. Please stop this behaviour before a block becomes necessary; you're going to attract plenty of admin attention making edits like these on WP:ANI. I'm not going to template you as you're not a new user and you should know better, but you should consider this a warning. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 09:18, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

The Joker Blogs.

The first entry is 'season' one, the second is the holiday entries and then 'season' two. Watch this. All of it. HalfShadow 21:10, 19 September 2010 (UTC)


Seriously Bugs, what's the difference between an Anion and an Onion? --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 08:31, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

There's a Cation in there somewhere, but I'm not inclined to eat one. PhGustaf (talk) 08:56, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
And what about opinions? They seem to be rather charged and shocking as well! Soxwon (talk) 13:41, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
Indeed. I'm thinking that the answer to the original question is that an Anion is positively charged, a Cation is negatively charged, and an Onion has many layers of charges. Except when they're given away, in which case they have no charge. Then it switches from an Onion to an Offion. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:55, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
Why has nobody yet mentioned the Dogion? PhGustaf (talk) 19:52, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
Oh, come on - get Sirius. I've seen where the various cola drinks have lots of ions in them, except for 7Up, which has un-ions. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:44, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the latest scientific developments: ion springfield. TFOWR 10:51, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Then there's the old baseball adage, "Keep your ion the ball." ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:58, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
  • You've heard of the radical left and the radical right? Here's the slogan of the radical middle: "Moderation, at all costs!" ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:42, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Well, I'm not surprise given that futurist writer - Alvin Toffler had once wrote "... in every anarchist, there is a conformist at work and deep in every conformist, there is another anarchist at work...". Face-smile.svg --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 13:53, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
  • I've observed over the years that a lot of people believe in anarchy for themselves, and fascism for everyone else. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:04, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
  • I know... the doctor said he was retiring, or so he says. Just glad nobody's going to be on his menu no more, or so we think. Bugs, can we get a confirmation on that, please? --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 15:52, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Edit conflict deletion

Well that's a new one! I've never seen a bot manage to do the edit conflict comment removal trick before (at least I assume that's what happened). GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 21:59, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

By the way, the user's edits are probably more suitable for discussion at ANI than AIV though. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 22:00, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Yes, that was an oddity. I'll let the admins decide what to do with the IP, who's obviously a sock. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:09, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
It's not necessarily wrong to be editing on an IP even if you make most of your edits with a named account. See Wikipedia:SOCK#Legitimate_uses. Soap 23:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
There's no rule against using a IP. The issue I have is that he "knows" me and I don't know him. That's unfair. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:26, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
In case you're not watching cum shot (can't blame you) the IP (as a different IP) has now admitted to being User:DMSBel: [18]. Smartse (talk) 21:29, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Shazam! Thanks for letting me know. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:20, 26 September 2010 (UTC)


Wrong ... I'm an Indian and don't have statefarm here (to the best of my knowledge)... I therefore cannot have any bad experience with it Amartya ray2001 (talk) 11:14, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Moreover, I'm not meaning a particular editor. I don't have the time to go through the details. I don't see any reason for u to feel guilty, dear friend! that tag will not be removed! It's a legal tag.. I did not make it! Amartya ray2001 (talk) 11:17, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Troll control / "malformed" RD questions

Hi Bugs. I've been getting the impression that you know a thing or two about troll-control, so any comments, advice, etc. here would be appreciated. (I'm not sure of the wikiquettual status of asking for your input in a thread started by Franamax before Franamax has responded to my response there, but assume you will proceed appropriately;). Regards and thanks, :) WikiDao(talk) 00:00, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. There's no harm in assuming good faith with someone that appears to be a troll. If you do assume good faith, sometimes it puts them on the spot and they make their trolldom clear. Other times, just maybe possibly, they're sincere. As regards the ref desks, I've been staying away from them lately, as the mobius-strip discussions were starting to wear on my good nature. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:12, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
lol, okay, thanks :) WikiDao(talk) 00:17, 28

September 2010 (UTC)

I think I would have asked that user if he could arrange a session with a Mrs. Bobbitt. That might be a step in the right direction. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:21, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Alexandra Powers Photo

A photo of Alexandra Powers is needed on her wikipedia page. Would any of this pictures be acceptable?:,1571496,ApplicationGallery.html?page=5 Please let me know if any of these photos are acceptable for her wikipedia page. Thanks! Neptunekh2 (talk) 00:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Are they free photos as per wikipedia rules? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:21, 28 September 2010 (UTC)


In regards to the CoM interaction ban, other than the ArbCom exception (where you are both parties), you may also comment in administrative processes (certain situations such as SPI-related matters) as a result of the amendment. This is a privilege, not a right, so exercise it cautiously: in any comments you make, avoid posting any remarks which may be perceived by others as unnecessary or unhelpful. An admin should confirm/endorse what I've written in due course. The restrict log has aleady been updated to reflect this. Ncmvocalist (talk) 04:11, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. I am hopeful that this won't even come up. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:00, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
And if you want to take a swipe at CoM, just send me mail and I'll see what I can do. PhGustaf (talk) 20:32, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm sure that theory will help my case. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:45, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Just in case: I was making a joke, not making a plan for future drama. PhGustaf (talk) 23:12, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
I know. Your edit summary said you were opposed to smileys, so I decided to be courteous (!) and omit the smiley also. :) Oops. :) Oops again. :( ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:18, 28 September 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for chiming in there. I don't get how to solve that problem, the entire process is getting annoying, so i'm going to try and take a few days off. Doc Quintana (talk) 20:28, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't know how either. The opposition to your consistent approach is befuddling. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Bugs, I'm not opposed to constistency, but he couldn't gain a consensus to change the status quo ("football" only on association football articles, full code on all other articles). The solution it to keep trying to gain a consesus for consistency, not make unilateral changes against consensus. You know as well as I do that changing long-entrenched consensus/status-quo/rules can take years, but being disruptive, as Doc has been, never helps the cause.
I'm still confused as to why he's changing the NFL articles instead of the Euro-footy ones, but he may well have tried that and been stymied. I do believe the full code should be shown in the Lead at first mention (once in the whole article, plus infobox if used there) for the sake of clarity, as we do have international readers (or US readers in the case of Euro-footie) who may not be all that bright or have trouble understanding English (we know both types well!) However, I'd support the other method too, providing it gains a consensus. So far, that hasn't happened, which is why I reverted Doc's edits on 3 NFL articles. (I didn't touch the others to avoid an appearance of stalking, while Doc has not avoided the appearance of stalking.) FWIW. - BilCat (talk) 05:32, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
You're right, it would be best to have the soccer club articles state "association football" or "soccer football" in the lead, since Americans reading it don't necessarily know that Manchester United doesn't play what "we" call football. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:24, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
I thought of retiring this account since it's pretty much ruined now, but the sheer gall of the edit above is going to make me keep it to try and help people attacked by wikilayers like BilCat. Bugs, let me know if you need my help in the future. I'll be around, but probably not as much as before. Doc Quintana (talk) 04:06, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Doc, whatever your decision lies in, you should not be thinking that we are wikilawyers, perhaps you should go read up on WP:Don't be a fanatic and reflect on yourself first before coining such terms per WP:Avoid personal remarks. Like I've said before, there are 3 million over articles on Wikipedia and you had to pick these handful to fight with other editors, what gives? Perhaps you leaving would be best for the community. Best. --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 06:48, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Dave, I don't get it. They're fanatics and it's ok? I've begun a section at WP:WQA over this incident. This can't continue. I was going to leave until the comment above. Doc Quintana (talk) 11:58, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
  • @Doc Quintana: On the contrary, you're the FANATIC. What with your behaviour after you've harassed Bill repeatedly on his talk page and on mine as well (IMO, once is one time too much no matter how smart you are) when it is so blatantly and bleedingly obvious that we have clarified our official stand on the matter, and that is... go gain a consensus first before you do anything stupid. Peace out. (Note: Pardon my french but you really left me no choice after what you been warned against time and again...) --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 15:48, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Table tests

Year Title Role Episodes Notes
2004 Double the Fist Suzie 1 Episode name: "Fear Factory"
headLand Freya Lewis 26
2007 Sea Patrol Fed Agent Martina Royce 1 Episode name: "Cometh the Hour"
Chuck Special Agent Sarah Walker 55

Year Title Role Episodes Notes
2004 2004 Double the Fist Suzie 1 Episode name: "Fear Factory"
2005 2005–
headLand Freya Lewis 26
2007 2007 Sea Patrol Fed Agent Martina Royce 1 Episode name: "Cometh the Hour"
9999 2007–
Chuck Special Agent Sarah Walker 54
¶ How about:
Year Title Role Epi-
2004 2004 Double the Fist Suzie 1 Episode name: "Fear Factory"
2005 2005–
headLand Freya Lewis 26
2007 2007 Sea Patrol Fed Agent Martina Royce 1 Episode name: "Cometh the Hour"
9999 2007–
Chuck Special Agent Sarah Walker 54
Year Title Role Epi-
2004 2004 Double the Fist Suzie 1 Episode name: "Fear Factory"
2005 2005–
headLand Freya Lewis 26
2007 2007 Sea Patrol Fed Agent Martina Royce 1 Episode name: "Cometh the Hour"
9999 2007–
Chuck Special Agent Sarah Walker 54
—— Shakescene (talk) 18:43, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
¶ Come to think of it, why not move these tests to all that wide open space at BB[H] or BB[SE] to add cover against the demoletionist masses hordes mob clique? I understand that Elmer Fudd's robots have about the same visual perceptiveness as Mr. Magoo.—— Shakescene (talk) 22:36, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
In due time. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:39, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Yvonne Strahovski production version

Year Title Role Episodes Notes
2004 Double the Fist Suzie 1 Episode name: "Fear Factory"
2005–2006 headLand Freya Lewis 26
2007 Sea Patrol Fed Agent Martina Royce 1 Episode name: "Cometh the Hour"
2007–present Chuck Special Agent Sarah Walker 55

Another test

Chicago Cubs World Series Championship
Year Title Role Episodes Notes
1903–1906 No Spoiler 4 Let's not even talk about 1906
1907 Yes Winner 1 Tinker to Evers...
1908 Yes Winner 1 Chance
1909–present No Spoilage 102 so far Wait till next century!
So where does the billy goat fit in? I'll give him some grass. (And following earlier discussions, what about the world's championship of base ball, 1884-1902? And for that matter, 1904 was the Lost Season of World Series; thank you John McGraw and the superior circuit.) —— Shakescene (talk) 01:03, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
Chicago Cubs World Series Championship
Year Title Role Episodes Notes
1903–1906 No Spoiler 3 Let's not even talk about 1906
1907 Yes Winner 1 Tinker to Evers...
1908 Yes Winner 1 Chance
1909–present No Spoilage 102 so far Wait till next century!

Red Sox vs. Cubs World Series Update

Oh well. If it ever happens, I'll still fly out there and buy you a beer.

At least my Sox had an excuse, because they were largely lame and halt all season. You don't win a pennant playing third-string catchers who hit in the 140s.

On the plus side, Clay Buchholz is a really good investment of $443,000 or so. PhGustaf (talk) 20:11, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

The Cubs and the BoSox are good examples of the cold hard fact that spending alone will not necessarily buy a championship or a playoff berth. Teams like Tampa and Minnesota demonstrate that you produce a winner without putting spending through the roof, but you also have to know what you're doing (as contrasted with, say, Pittsburgh or Washington or Baltimore). ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:17, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Your responses on ANI

I find your responses on ANI generally unhelpful, and frequently inflammatory. I'm not going to press the civility aspect of that, but frequent inflammatory responses can easily become disruptive. Consider this a warning. Gimmetoo (talk) 15:39, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Horrors. Zounds, even. I'm shaking in my jackboots. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:24, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Bugs, I find your responses on ANI generally helpful, and frequently funny. Consider this a barnstar. - BilCat (talk) 15:43, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Thank you. This is what I call a "fair and balanced" section. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:23, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Why do I smell bacon? Oh, hey Gimmetoo. HalfShadow 17:49, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
As in, "Thank you sir! Will you gimme another?" ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:51, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Me three~! --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 17:52, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
What? I like bacon. Bacon is yummy. HalfShadow 17:53, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
This isn't exactly a new joke, but it still works. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:58, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
If you look at that ANI megillah, you'll see that most everyone is irritated with the OP. So the OP responded in the obvious way - he issued a civility warning to someone else. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:54, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
I had the same trouble with the user in an earlier section here. I don't wnat he thought I meant by "If it look's like a doc", but it was just humor on a page with "Bugs" (as in Bunny) is it's title. He got blocked and then retired, but you probably won't be so lucky, Bugs! - BilCat (talk) 18:17, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Too subtle, I guess. :) His block only ran for 24 hours, but I think he's getting frustrated. When I get too frustrated, I usually go away for awhile, except I usually don't announce it. Got to keep the trolls guessing. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:50, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Ginger knocking is fine - just don't resort to shoving rip raps thru his letterbox and runnng away :) :) Elen of the Roads (talk) 20:28, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

No worries. I'm a practitioner of non-violence. I take painstaking steps to ensure that I don't physically harm anyone. Unless they deserve it. 0:) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:32, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
So am I. When I beat someone up, I make sure I don't injure myself doing it. HalfShadow 20:49, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Good idea. Hence the useful tool known as a blackjack. Or, in tougher neighborhoods, keep this old saying in mind:
"A loaded gun: Don't leave home without it." ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:27, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorting on multiple keys

Hi Bugs, I hope you don't mind me posting here in reply to your question at ANI, but it's probably off-topic there. The sorting algorithm used on Wikipedia is a stable sort, that is, it preserves the previous order of rows when a later sort has keys that are equal. What that means in practice is: say an actor appeared in 10 roles each year for 5 years; sorting on 'Role' would produce the obvious alphabetical order; but if you then sort on 'Year', you'd get a table sorted by year, but within each of the 5 years, the 10 roles would stay in alphabetical order. Hopefully that was what you meant. As for the utility of sorting a table of four rows – yeah, not terribly useful right now, but hopefully it is future-proof as time passes and the number of rows in the table increases. Plus, as you rightly observe, it's an example that can be used as a template for other articles. Happy Editing! --RexxS (talk) 00:12, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

...and knowing is half the battle. The other half is high-caliber gunplay, and much more fun. HalfShadow 01:58, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
Yup. And as you can see, in my test section above, there are other things that can be done. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:12, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
And if you're interested in 'skinning' tables, take a look at Help talk:Table#Alternating row colors?. If you add the new classes to your vector.css (or whatever skin you're using), you can see it working at User:Dodoïste/Sandbox. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 04:35, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Nah, it still existed at the time.

Stupid bloody robot... HalfShadow 22:21, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Just don't hurt its feelings. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:25, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Your complaint

Sorry, will correct. Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 19:19, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Gift to you Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 19:23, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

File:Target Field retired numbers.JPG

I've changed the licensing on this image to cc-by-2.0, since that's what the original image was licensed. Since you applied a PD-self tag to the image, I've interpreted that as a statement of "my changes are in the public domain". Please remove that statement from the image description if it doesn't reflect your intentions. Nyttend (talk) 14:10, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

You have the right to declare any license for the cropped image; even all-rights-reserved is legal, although of course not accepted here. If I remember rightly, it's disputed whether simple cropping like this is creative enough for copyright, but for safety's sake, you should add a licensing statement to self-cropped works. If you really don't think it's creative enough for copyright, I'd say that a PD release is best, because it ensures that you won't have any copyright that you don't want. Since we allow license modifications for newly-created images, I don't think that anyone would complain if you changed the tag to something CC licensed; therefore, feel free to change the license to cc-by or cc-by-sa if you want. Nyttend (talk) 16:39, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Sorry for the confusion. Easiest question first: I would tag it as cc-by (because the original image is) and add a note of "My changes are in the public domain". It's best not to add a PD-self template, since that could be interpreted as "All of this image's authors have released their rights into the public domain". Nyttend (talk) 18:45, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
One request — once you've decided that you're happy with the way I left it or once you've decided on a different format, would you please edit that image description? Even if you want to keep it the way it is, an edit would prove that you agree with the way I put it. Nyttend (talk) 19:54, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Okay, thanks! Nyttend (talk) 22:23, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


That *is* an easier answer. --Cameron Scott (talk) 18:38, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm assuming he's spamming everyone who said "delete". The others can look into it if they want. I've got other things to do. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:42, 6 October 2010 (UTC)


[19] This made me smile, i`m guessing you don`t know WMC And you should also accept it cheerfully and without comment when those rules are ignore I double dog dare you to go call him will :) But seriously i was not trying to lecture the guy, i thought i was being polite in asking him to use my Christian name. I certainly did not think it would cause so much drama :) Cheers mark nutley (talk) 22:04, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Using your own name on this or any other website is just inviting trouble. Where WMC is concerned, I've probably called him by his last name from time to time and don't recall ever being complained to about it. But this is why it's often safer to use general references, such as "the OP" (original poster) or "the editor" or whatever. I apologize for causing too much drama. This is kind of a hot-button issue with me, this nannyism stuff. But I've said all I care to say about the matter, so Nuclear Winter gets the last word. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:09, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Well people with nuclear weapons tend to get the last word :o) mark nutley (talk) 22:29, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Let's try to keep him away from Kablammo (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log). ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:37, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

I imagine having to deal with a surname like "Nutley" could be a bit trying, though it's really no worse than Hoboken or Bayonne. Which reminds me of this oldie: What rhymes with "Orange"? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:47, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

My nickname in school was nuts, but funnily it was because of my temper not my name, ironic huh? Your Kablammo made me spit coffee :). And i`ll bite, what rhymes with oranges? mark nutley (talk) 22:49, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
OK, get your rimshot ready... "EAST Orange". Now, orange you glad you asked? :)
Nutley, NJ, was one of many New York area cities in Jersey that Johnny Carson used to make fun of when his show was based in New York (he would later use Burbank as the butt of those types of jokes). He would make some remark about Weehawken, Hoboken, Secaucus, Teaneck, Piscataway, Teterboro, Nutley, or whatever name sounded funny that day. One recurring joke was that his tailor was "Raul of Bayonne". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:59, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
And regarding Kablammo, which is one of the more creative names I've seen here; and fittingly, where he first came to my attention was in the summer of 2007 when he was editing the I-35W bridge collapse in Minneapolis. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:03, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
And now i have no coffee left. thanks :) That orange joke was terrible BTW, i think my life would be a little bit better had i not read it in fact :o) mark nutley (talk) 23:15, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
I don't recall where I got the Orange joke from, but it wasn't Carson, as even he wouldn't stoop that low. It think someone said it on a radio show. You're right, it's bad, but it also assumes some geographic knowledge on behalf of the local audience. As with the Benny show and its recurring joke about a train leaving for Anaheim, Azusa and Cucamonga; which sounded like funny names to the national audience, with the added realization by the L.A. audience that there was no such train. Likewise, as a native New Yorker once told me, Bayonne is about the last place you would expect to find a classy tailor, or a classy anything. The only other reference to Bayonne I can think of is a boxer, Chuck Wepner, who was called "The Bayonne Bleeder". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:33, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
I think that Saturday Night Live in its early days did a parody Navy recruitment commercial with the seductive line "Port of Call: Bayonne, New Jersey." —— Shakescene (talk) 00:41, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
That sounds familiar. At least they could get nicely tailored suits there. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:54, 7 October 2010 (UTC)


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Yep, I saw. We'll see if that IP makes a comeback or not. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:55, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Re:Jainism and ancient

Hi, To keep everything in the one place, I have responded at Talk:Jainism#Ancient to both your and IndianChronclier's comments. Munci (talk) 16:04, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

URGENT - List of people banned from Major League Baseball

Really, was this edit necessary? You've just proven that Wikipedians have no sense of humor. </kidding> —KuyaBriBriTalk 13:41, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Although the item I reverted didn't belong in the article, it was definitely funny. Hence the "Ha." Maybe I should have said "Ha!" (Not LOL, though - I refuse to use that.) :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:01, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Discussion invitation

As a respected WP editor, you are invited to participate in the following discussion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clyde Lucas (2nd nomination)


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Have some tea, Bugs...?

Kuralt discussion

Hi Bugs. I'm putting this on your talk page rather than ANI because I don't consider it anyone else's business. I have a lot of respect for you as an editor, and as always I take your opinions, whether I agree or disagree, under advisement. I have no problems with your opinions in the Kuralt discussion, including the ones critical of me or my opinions. I would caution you about your use of language, such as "lazy", however; not just in this instance, but in any discussion. It's not a serious problem for me; certainly not a situation that I see as requiring any admin action, nor one in which I feel you need to defend yourself to me. By no means is this a "warning", just an honest word to a fellow editor. It's what I would want you to do if I used such a word in reference to an editor. That being said, thanks for your comments, at the Kuralt discussion and elsewhere. I usually learn something helpful when I read them. Cresix (talk) 14:48, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

When I see that something needs sourcing, I don't post a flag and expect someone else to do it; I try to do something about it myself. That's the point I'm making there. Along with the fact that there is no possibility of wikipedia being taken to court over the Kuralt "other woman" story. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:51, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
I understand your position, and I appreciate your comments. My only reason for messaging you (beyond my thanks) is to express a bit of concern about the "lazy" comment. But as far as I'm concerned, now that I've done so, that's water under the bridge. Happy editing! Cresix (talk) 14:59, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Just promise yourself to do better in the future. As I always do. 0:) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:00, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
I always promise to try to better myself. I could never promise to do better than you. :) Cresix (talk) 15:02, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
"Flattery will get you somewhere!" Just be true to yourself, be true to your school, and above all, be true to Wikipedia. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:04, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
And in the immortal words of Chuckie Sullivan, "Gentlemen, keep your ear to the grindstone". Cresix (talk) 15:17, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Yes, a great sentiment. It brought a tear to my throat and a lump to my eye. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:37, 14 October 2010 (UTC)


This ranks among my all time favorite posts I've read on ANI. How to spell Plaxico without using a single word. Toddst1 (talk) 22:20, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. I am living proof that even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now and then. Or a boomerang. Then, like an idiot, I forgot to sign it, so someone did it for me. Ah, well, back to the acorn hunt. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:35, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Imperial Stormtroopers.

That's not entirely true. Stormtroopers were perfectly capable of hitting people who were either harmless or of no particular value to the story. So be fair. HalfShadow 21:19, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Good point. Their blasters had special programming to work that way. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:25, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Blood from arteries

As per your answer on the ref desk (sorry I don't know how to link to specific ref desk questions!) I was curious why would blood be drawn from arteries rather than veins? Not a request for medical advice, I have no intention of having needles sticking into my arteries :-) Spoonfulsofsheep (talk) 00:07, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Blood's usually drawn from arteries (or arterioles) since it's under pressure; you simply sitck in the needle and the syringe fills up due to the pressure. Since blood in veins is under less pressure, you'd likely need to manually extract it, and would essentially be artificially decreasing its pressure further. It'd be slower, and more tricky to actually extract the blood.GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 00:10, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
NO! Typically blood is taken from veins. It's much less painful and it clots faster. And there is sufficient pressure to quickly fill the vial. The only time they pull from arteries is if they have a specific need to, such as testing the oxygenation level (which they may be able to do by machine now, for all I know). ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:50, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
...uh? Not the last time I had blood taken. I guess this is why wikipedia doesn't give medical advice... GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 08:21, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Are you sure? Where do you get your blood taken? Here in the US, they always look for a vein near the surface, typically at the crook of your arm. I've had arterial blood taken from there, too, and the needle goes much deeper, hence the pain and the need for pressure to make it clot. Arterial blood looks quite different: much thinner, much brighter red. Blood from a vein looks thicker and a deeper red. With the vein, once they pull the needle out they apply a little pressure and tape some cotton onto it and there's usually only a spot of blood when you peel it off later. They also tell you not to do any heavy lifting for an hour, to give the vein a chance to reach the proper healing point. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:45, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Not 100% sure, but I thought I had heard it's usually from an arteriole and the explanation seemed to make sense; probably my bad. I may be thinking of blood donations where they take an entire pint. Probably my bad since you seem pretty sure about it; I'm going on what I think I heard in a lecture two years ago. Hope I haven't confused the issue too much. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 10:40, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
When they take a pint of blood from me, they take it from that same vein in my left arm (I being right-handed). There's more blood pressure in a vein than you might think. No question, however, that neither of us should be practicing medicine without a license. Or a licence. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:47, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
I don't often get blood tests thankfully; I think this is a pretty good indication that I'm right to choose a career in laboratory research rather than patient care ;) GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 10:49, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
  • This is very, very, very upsetting. Gift -- please sue your doctor immediately.--Epeefleche (talk) 06:29, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


Just a notice, as the OP failed to inform you: you've been brought up at Wikipedia:ANI#Sockpuppetry help requested. Grsz11 03:15, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Geez, I knew Bugs was from somewhere around Minnesota, but I didn't know he was a Scandihoovian princess. PhGustaf (talk) 04:12, 16 October 2010 (UTC) Scandihoovian, but hardly royal.
On second thought, perhaps he's Bwumhilde. PhGustaf (talk) 07:58, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
The OP on that complaint must have been singing, "Kiww the wabbit, kiww the wabbit, kiww the wabbit... Ho Jo To Ho!" ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:13, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
And the investigation against the OP is: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Chase me dinosaurs, I'm an insectBaseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:48, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Speculation of extraordinary significance. Numerous old accounts being brought up. Possibilities of tie ins between various editors that were not previously thought to have anything in common...Sounds like its time for your Grand Unified Theory of Sock Puppetry! If anyone can postulate a speculation of such magnitude, it would be you. Good luck on your adventure! —Preceding unsigned comment added by IESNEC (talkcontribs) 15:37, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
The above clown is either an impostor, an impostor of an impostor, or an impostor of an impostor of an impostor. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:24, 16 October 2010 (UTC) DoNotFeedTroll.svg
Possibly, but consider this. The timing of the COM filing is more than coincidental. IESNEC (talk) 16:31, 16 October 2010 (UTC)


  In the area? You're invited to the
   Minnesota meetup
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  Date: 31 October 2010
  Time: noon
  Place: Midtown Exchange Global Market,
East Lake Street, Minneapolis, Minnesota
44°56′57″N 93°15′40″W / 44.9493°N 93.2612°W / 44.9493; -93.2612

--User:Jonathunder 06:29, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Be sure to bring a hotdish. PhGustaf (talk) 06:51, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Maybe I'll whip up a lutefisk appetizer. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:02, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
You might be able to get hotdish at the Global Market, and I did see a Scandinavian shop the last time I was there, but my favorite place to eat there is the Holy Land Deli. (They have great gyros.) Hope you can make it, with or without the lutefisk. Jonathunder (talk) 23:03, 21 October 2010 (UTC)


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Response to a comment you made there that I wanted to point out to you since that thread has been archived already. WikiDao(talk) 16:27, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Tom Lehrer

Hello Bugs. I noticed the Tom Lehrer quote that you used in the thread that WikiDao linked above. He was one of the main reasons that I tuned into That Was the Week that Was during its brief run on TV back in the 60's. A CD/DVD set came out awhile ago with a video of him performing before a live audience in Norway. It was a bit surreal as the songs were as fun as ever but the audience wasn't laughing as much as I was. Here [20] is a link to a fun animation that someone has created to his singing of The Elements song. If you haven't already seen it I hope it brings a chuckle to your day. Cheers MarnetteD | Talk 19:11, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I suddenly have a feeling that I left this link for you once before. If so please pardon my forgetfulness. Normal editing will resume eventually I hope. MarnetteD | Talk 21:36, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Anti-Male Language

(Moving this discussion from the Lew Loot talk page) When my children do naughty things, I criticize their behaviors, not them as humans. When men do bad things, their behaviors should be criticized, not their gender. Masculinity is not Bad, in and of itself. It is simply a state in which roughly half of the human race finds itself. And, FWIW, it is entirely possible to be anti-*group* while being a member of *group*. I'm not meaning to be argumentative here; just explaining my position. Peace, Ebikeguy (talk) 21:30, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I've heard it said that American white males are the world's biggest whiners, and there's certainly something to that. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:35, 21 October 2010 (UTC)


Does your irony meter spike like mine when you see this remark from someone with this user page? alanyst /talk/ 06:35, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Judith Reisman

Hello Baseball Bugs. Noticed you reverted my cross-referencing of Judith Reisman at the Kinsey article, with the comment "undue weight." Did you mean that mentioning Reisman in the Kinsey article gave Reisman undue weight? If so, is there any, more appropriate place for her to just be mentioned in that article? A "See also" section with crosslinks, perhaps? Just looking for some thoughts on this -- she has been a big critic of Kinsey, dedicating much of her professional life and scholarship to that subject. If she doesn't even deserve a mention in the Kinsey article, why? Kinsey certainly is crosslinked in her article. Thanks for your thoughts on this issue. Saebvn (talk) 17:53, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

She doesn't need a standalone paragraph. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:34, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
How would you feel about a mention in a sentence in that controversy/criticism paragraph (as opposed to a standalone paragraph) OR a "see also" bullet? Your choice. Saebvn (talk) 14:40, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Raise the question on the article talk page. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:43, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Citizen of New York

I blocked him/her but it seems that Wikipedia in general is welcoming POV pushers with open arms these days.

I've come across numerous paid editors who are editing on behalf of political candidates, and there's the whole Reisman agenda nonsense. I've also interacted with folks who can be hired to manipulate social media in my professional role. This IMHO is the biggest threat to the legitimacy of this encyclopedia. It's a shame the more vocal folks around here don't get that. I'm glad you do, but I think we're fighting a losing battle. Toddst1 (talk) 14:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

As with the lengthy war it can take for everyone to finally "get it" about a perennially abusive but "contributing" user, this trend will continue until the stubborn ones realize that a fundamental change in approach is needed. The "anyone can edit" axiom is the source of more headaches than benefits, at this point, but many editors aren't seeing that yet. Or else they don't care, which is sad. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:33, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Yup Toddst1 (talk) 14:38, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
You wrote all that in 5 minutes? Talk about "divine inspiration". :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:45, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
I'd hardly call these clowns divine. Cheers. Toddst1 (talk) 18:17, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Certainly not. I'm referring to your inspiration to whip out that essay in a short time. Or had it been simmering for awhile? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:19, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Love it! May I copy/modify it to write a similar "essay" on IP vandalism and trolling? - BilCat (talk) 18:23, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
PS, for all the times I've been accused of being on Boeing or LockMart's payroll, maybe I should send them requests for payment! :) - BilCat (talk) 18:27, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
If Todd doesn't answer here, you might want to ask him directly. I know what you mean, as I've been accused of being at various (and contradictory) political and religious extremes. When I was defending the Apollo articles I was accused of being a NASA employee. If we had all these nice jobs for real, why would we spend any time here, eh? :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:03, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Acme Printing Corporation, Inc. (as in Incorporeal)

See Printer's key —— Shakescene (talk) 17:53, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Very good. I always wondered about that. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:55, 21 October 2010 (UTC)


Two items, the second of which is most important.

1. I have absolutely no prior knowledge (and have no idea if I would have any interest) in the Reisman article. But if you think it would help, I'll start editing it, just so that I'm familiar with what is happening if issues arise.

2. If memory serves, we had a prediction contest at the baseball page ... either this past world series, or at the earliest the prior year. If memory serves, I won ... but of course my memory would be clearer on that point. Shall we do it again this year?

Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 06:28, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


Why did you do that? Theresa Knott | Hasten to trek 22:11, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

You mean why did I censor myself? Because the alternative was to delete the entire conversation, and I didn't think it appropriate to delete other editors' comments, childish as they might be. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:22, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

I would like to speak to you...

Privately. Offwiki! Use my email facility. Very hush hush!! EAT THIS MESSAGE BEFORE READING!!! LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:21, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Censored - cont'd

Er you archived before I could reply. I'll leave it here, feel free to delete once read.
It doesn't look right, censored usually implies being hidden by someone else not self censorship. I note that it has already been linked to. Maybe [comment withdrawn] would make it clearer. Theresa Knott | Hasten to trek 22:28, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
I have taken ANI off my watch list. Feel free to revise that comment as needed. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:32, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Nah, my change would be linked to, and who knows what accusations might fly my way. I just wanted to point it out to you for future reference. Theresa Knott | Hasten to trek 22:37, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
I've made a change to it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:39, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Oh dear. Theresa Knott | Hasten to trek 22:43, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
That's from a B.C. comic strip from many years ago. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:40, 24 October 2010 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Xanderliptak

I have opened an RfC/U on Xanderliptak. Since you have attempted to deal with the concerns that I raise, I have mentioned you in the RfC. The RfC is not yet certified and may not be; currently I am the sole signatory, and any RfC not accompanied by evidence showing that two users tried and failed to resolve the same dispute will be deleted after 48 hours as "uncertified". But I thought you should be made aware. Any feedback will, of course, be most welcome. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:26, 24 October 2010 (UTC)


I've raised an issue here. Could you please comment? Ta. → ROUX  21:01, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Tangentially related... you may wish to toddle over to Commons and look through all his uploads. He seems to have included his nonsense 'signature must remain included' in a whole lot more images after uploading. → ROUX  13:23, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Ugh. I'll take a more thorough look later today. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:02, 3 November 2010 (UTC)


Giants or Rangers? Toddst1 (talk) 03:58, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

The Giants won in Arlington tonight. :) - BilCat (talk) 04:47, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Maybe in a parallel universe. :) I'm thinking Texas in 7, provided Cliff Lee gets 3 starts and/or appearances. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:21, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Just in the NFL's universe, 41-35. :) - BilCat (talk) 19:16, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Oh, I see. Good for them. It's fair to say I am not a fan of the Cowboys, who were figuring to win the Super Bowl this year, but that 1-5 start could seriously impede that plan. Have the fans started chanting "No mo' Romo" yet? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:04, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Starters getting 3 starts in the WS is a thing of the past, no? BTW, I say Texas in 6 - or even 5. Wknight94 talk 16:26, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Bugs, I used to like you. Toddst1 (talk) 16:33, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
It's a tough call, as both of these teams have been playing over their heads this year. In the 2001 Series, Curt Schilling had 3 starts, while Randy Johnson had 2, plus a vital relief appearance in Game 7. That's why I said "starts and/or appearances". Lee might get only two starts, but if it goes to Game 7, "everyone is available". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:10, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Playing over their heads is an excellent description, and I agree 100%. That doesn't stop me from bleeding orange though. :) Toddst1 (talk) 17:17, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
There was a recent S.I. article about the Giants' star-crossed path since 1954. The Dodgers have had great success since moving to L.A., while the Giants were stuck in Candlestick for decades, have never quite had enough to go all the way and came within a hair or two of moving elsewhere. Maybe they will finally get over the hump this year. But then there's the Texas Rangers, who started out with a curse, i.e. being the Washington Senators, and had hardly hit a loud foul in the post-season until this year. So I can't be against either team, but only one can win, and either way it will make a great story. For both teams, it already has so far. :) P.S. When I was a kid rooting for the lowly Cubs, the Giants were my second-favorite NL team: Mays, McCovey, etc. Remember how the kids would come down from the little bleacher sections in right-center and stand behind the fence when Stretch came to bat? Or maybe that was before your time? :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:26, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
I assume you've seen the Peanuts strip about the tragic (for San Francisco) ending to the '62 series? And Schilling is a bad example - he was crazy. Even open wounds didn't stop him from pitching. Wknight94 talk 17:47, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
I make no claims in regards to the sanity (or lack thereof) of Schilling. :) Yes, I do recall that Peanuts strip, as clearly as I recall seeing McCovey hit that screaming liner and going from "Yes!" to "No!" in a split second when Bobby Richardson caught it. One of my favorite Casey Stengel stories was his comment about Richardson: "He doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, doesn't chase women, and he still can't hit .250!" ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:42, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Watch what you say about Curt, he's a national treasure ;). Soxwon (talk) 18:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Sanity is not a requirement for being a national treasure. :) Note to Wknight94: That comic is from 1-28-63, and is a followup to 12-22-62. The lateness of the initial response probably indicates how far in advance Schulz drew the strips. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:51, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Ha, I was curious about the leading "Or". Wknight94 talk 18:57, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Those two strips should be linked from the 1962 World Series article, if they aren't already. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:36, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Somewhere around I may still have a "Croix de Candlestick" button. These were issued to fans who stayed to the end of extra-inning night games. At the time a friend had front-row tickets on the first-base line, just to the right of the Giant's dugout. Frank Robinson was manager then, which puts the date at 1981-4. Trust me, nobody can glower better than Frank Robinson. Fortunately, these tickets came with passes to the Stadium Club, which had heat, drinks, and big teevees, which made the game more survivable.

Gotta say that Texas is the favorite. But, hey, any series without the Yankees in it is off to a good start. If I live long enough, I will buy Bugs a beer when the Red Sox finally meet the Cubs in October. PhGustaf (talk) 19:18, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Reminds me of my favorite game ever - in 2003 in Tampa Bay. My first game there and it wound up being the longest game in Rays history. Actually they were still called the Devil Rays then and were still losing 100 games per year. By the 16th or so inning - around 1am I guess - I had relocated right behind home plate because the stands contained nothing but me and a few hundred rowdy Red Sox fans, screaming at the umps on every pitch. Good times.... Wknight94 talk 19:41, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Must be this one:[21] The second day of the season, which dropped them to 1-1, and was the last time they would see .500 all season. They lost 99 that year. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:58, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
(ec)Just as long as it's Old Style. :) Regarding F. Robby, don't I know it. I was at a White Sox game during the time when he was manager and part-time player for the Cleveland Indians, which isolates it to the 1975-77 range. He had gotten into an argument with the home plate ump. Very soon after, he put himself in as a pinch-hitter, for the express purpose of continuing the argument. With that distraction going on, he struck out, and of course the Comiskey Park crowd roared. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:43, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
That must've been when the Indians had extra terrible looking uniforms. The ugliest baseball card I own is of Robinson framed in neon purple and pink. Wknight94 talk 19:59, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Aha, from the days when the Indians tried to be PC by sending Chief Wahoo back to the reservation for awhile. It may have improved their politics but it didn't help their wins and losses. Many teams experimented with uniforms in the 70s. The Orioles tried a bright red shirt for awhile, and someone said it made Boog Powell look like a gigantic blood clot. Now, if you had that neon purple and pink uniform on Don Mossi, you would have had a critical mass of ugliness that might have cause a tear in the space-time continuum. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:13, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Bugs, do you have a reliable source that says the red shirt made Boog Powell look like a gigantic blood clot? If not, let's not be taking the name of an Orioles player in vain here. Thanks.Malke 2010 (talk) 04:13, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
No, it's just something I recall from the time. Be aware that the O's were my favorite American League team at the time. It's shameful what's happened to them under the Angelos ownership. They've become what they once were: The St. Louis Browns. Ugh. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:41, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Googling ["boog powell" "blood clot"] brought up many references, including a Google books item in which Powell himself talks about it - except I had it slightly wrong: it was after he was sent to ... guess who .... Cleveland. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:49, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Ok, Bugs. You liked the O's. I like you again. Toddst1 (talk) 06:05, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Well, that's a load off my mind. So I take it you like orange and black in general? How fitting, with Halloween just around the corner. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:24, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
No, just coincidence. However I do miss the cartoon bird from back in the day. That anatomically correct bird is great if you're an ornithologist, but it has no attitude. Toddst1 (talk) 10:49, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
You kids don't remember Charlie O's 70s doings in Oakland. Consider orange baseballs. Consider white skates in the NHL. Consider bonuses for players with moustaches. Consider what Rollie Fingers looked like back then[22]. PhGustaf (talk) 08:06, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
I can believe the orange baseballs but white skates in the NHL? Hey Bugs, ever have one of Boog's barbecue sandwiches at Camden Yards?Malke 2010 (talk) 12:26, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Yum, Boog's BBQ, and Maryland crab cakes. Maybe not within 5 minutes of each other, though. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:36, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── The California Golden Seals indeed wore white skates for a while. It didn't really matter, though, since their play had the fans laughing anyway. I once saw a Bruin/Seals game from the very short time the Bruins had both Bobby Orr and Brad Park on the ice, and it wasn't a good night for the Seals.

More on topic, the Giants are going to have six Giant HoF players tossing out first pitches tonight, including Monte Irvin. Would have guessed he was dead, but he's still cranking on at 91. PhGustaf (talk) 22:42, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

I remember the Seals. I think I actually saw them play a game in St. Louis one time. I had forgotten what happened to them. They became the Cleveland Barons, who later merged with the Minnesota North Stars, who later moved to Dallas to became just the Stars. The Seals left a trail of red in their lengthy wake - partly blood, mostly ink.
As regards Monte Irvin, I'm guessing the Cubs will be watching closely tonight. Anything to shore up the bullpen. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:11, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
I forgot about Boog's! Toddst1 (talk) 19:39, 29 October 2010 (UTC)


[23]. Malke 2010 (talk) 15:43, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

World Series Update

My speculation that Texas was the favorite has been belied. Someone should explain to them that walking in two runs in an inning is bad, and that leaking out five more runs in the same inning is worse. PhGustaf (talk) 05:47, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I was at that game, GIANTS FTW Access Denied [FATAL ERROR] 06:17, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Don't get overconfident. There have been a number of Series where the eventual winner lost the first two on the road. On the other hand, if the Rangers don't start getting some pitching, they might have to re-activate their president. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:40, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
The bottom line is that the Giants had the pitching and the Rangers didn't, and that's often the factor that wins a World Series. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:04, 5 November 2010 (UTC)


Yes. JamesBWatson (talk) 19:37, 29 October 2010 (UTC)


Nothing like a user with a less-than-perfect grasp of the rules of the site coupled with a chip on his shoulder the size of a city bus. Sheesh. :) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 23:36, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Stealth contact

Bugs, I'd like to get some WP-related info to you outside of public view. Do you have any suggestions? My email is enabled. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 23:10, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

This is a touchy issue with me. Only a small number of trusted admins have my e-mail address. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:03, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
What if you ask one of them to contact me, and I'll send them the info, and they can vet it for you? - BilCat (talk) 17:55, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
I would assume there's a short list of admins you work with when necessary. Maybe just e-mail your proposal and see what he/she says. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:03, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
Never mind, I'll try to figure this out on my own. - BilCat (talk) 07:24, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Baseball Question

I was reading about the Bossards, and was wondering if there were any teams that still used the techniques that they perfected today. Thanks for your help. Soxwon (talk) 02:11, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Wow, I have no idea. This looks like fertile new ground to cover, so to speak. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:03, 5 November 2010 (UTC)


4 reference in the article. Tuesday, Boehner spoke and exponded on his early days as a bartender. Do you think Veriss' edits are ridiculous? Especially since some of them had to be deleted (that's where the ArbCom/Oversight comes in here)? Purplebackpack89 07:56, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Show me the references here, please. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:02, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

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How would you feel about undoing your comment about Eugene's religion on his talk page? It may just inflame things. And may be construed as a PA. Anthony (talk) 17:42, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

I was raised Christian and I expect those who talk the Christian talk to walk the Christian walk. In short, I expect better behavior from Christians than from others. So call me old-fashioned. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:00, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough. Anthony (talk) 02:07, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Hank Aaron

Bugs, thanks for the explanation. The explanation you gave pointed out the superstitious part of baseball that wasn't apparent from the entry on the Hank Aaron page. If you could offer an explanation anything close to what you did on my Talk Page, it would probably help a lot of people who may not initially understand the superstitious aspects anymore than I did. Your explanation was quite succinct. Regards. Steve Stevenmitchell (talk) 20:39, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

My girlfriend is so dumb...

...she thinks oral sex means talking dirty.

(HEY-O!!!) HalfShadow 21:39, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

No, no. It's a stage just before divorce where the parties stand on opposite sides of the room and yell "Fuck you!" at each other back and forth. PhGustaf (talk) 21:58, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Those are oldies. Undoubtedly part of an oral tradition. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:17, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
So, then (despite the new guidelines for CPR), reviving those old chestnuts would qualify as mouth-to-mouth resuscitation? —— Shakescene (talk) 23:43, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
Oldies but goodies. Somewhere, Henny and Rodney are roasting toasting you all. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:55, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Heck, pints all around after that.  :)

--je deckertalk 00:25, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Is that a regular pint, or a jint pint? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:54, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Hey, I don't drink anything that enters and leaves me looking the same. HalfShadow 00:55, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
As in the old saying, "You don't buy beer, you only rent it." ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:07, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
If it's coming out anything near as dark as the beer in front of me, you should see a doctor ASAP! --je deckertalk 01:02, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Eek. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:07, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Arbitrators & Administrators

Howdy Bugs. Wowsers, I'm glad I'm not a Arbitrator or Administrator, 'cuz Giacomo wouldn't like me. Wait a sec, Giacomo doesn't like me anyway, giggle giggle. GoodDay (talk) 12:57, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

I reckon he doesn't like me either, but that's show biz. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:03, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Take your belated and piffling prevarications elsewhere. Too late for here. GiacomoWasHere (talk) 22:39, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
"Belated and Piffling Prevarications"? Hey, I heard them open for the Grateful Dead in 1983; I didn't think anyone else remembered them. PhGustaf (talk) 22:44, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Wowsers Giacomo, lighten up. I'm not trying to get ya blocked. GoodDay (talk) 23:11, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Just an impostor. I get a lot of those. Someone beat me to the block, though. The real Giacomo is mad at me even though I defended him. That's how things go sometimes. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:32, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
I like what the blocking admin said: "Obvious harassment monkey". Well-put. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:06, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
DeForest Kelley wanted his epitaph to read, "He's dead Jim". GoodDay (talk) 01:30, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Wouldn't "I'm dead, Jim" be more apt? HalfShadow 02:30, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Or, "Dammit, Jim, I'm bones, not Bones!" ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:39, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
This would be the most obvious for me, except it's been done. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:26, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

We have a "friendly" out there...

...I'm pretty sure.
Hi Bugs,
I saw you made this comment at the RD talk page to, remarking that they seemed "knowledgeable for someone with 3 edits so far".
So, I thought you might want to know that we have someone who is definitely a long-time contributor who appears regularly at the RD from different IPs which seem to geolocate generally to London. And it was User:JackofOz who recently made the "long-time contributor" call (see User talk: For an explanation as to why this person is using multiple IPs and is a long-time contributor, see this discussion.
I hope this was of interest to you. Regards, WikiDao(talk) 01:54, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I figured as much. I would just like to see these IP's identify themselves in some way so that we know we're talking to 1 guy and not 100. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:55, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

New meetup

  In the area? You're invited to the
   Minnesota meetup
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  Date: 20 November 2010
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Boxer Rebellion

My money is on Muhammad Ali; okay he's old, but he can still beat the hell out of you. Tyson's just batshit. HalfShadow 04:26, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

The Boxer Rebellion was right much brutal; much more so than the consequently less well-known Badminton Rebellion. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:08, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
As long as there's never a Biathlon rebellion - thout could make quite a mess of the Alps or the Rockies. - BilCat (talk) 08:42, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
There was once almost a Curling Revolution, then people realized that wasn't actually a sport so much as a way to keep stupid people busy... HalfShadow 22:56, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Hey, come on... Curling is every bit as exciting as shuffleboard. And both of those sports have been known to incite violence. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:01, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Oh please. You have someone pushing something down a slick floor while two twits with brooms act like they're accomplishing something. HalfShadow 23:06, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Nah, curling is just cold bocce ball in a clean shirt. The real concern is the Golden Retriever mass slobber: those critters will lick you to death. PhGustaf (talk) 23:08, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
OK, I take it back. Shuffleboard IS more exciting than Curling. Curling can get exciting, though, for example if the participants failed to notice that the pond was not sufficiently frozen over. Curling stones do not make good flotation devices. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:09, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
And then there's luge; that's just hyper-pretentious tobogganing. The only time luge ever became exciting enough to bother watching, somebody died. HalfShadow 23:13, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes, luge is fun to watch. To quote Alfred Hitchcock out of context, "Death could come at any moment." ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:28, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

WP attitude towards Islam

I read you posts on at ANI re: the fiction tagging of Bible related articles and I wanted to point you to Talk:Muhammad/images. If you check out some of the current postings there and especially the archive, there are some angry/upset Muslim pleadings that go unheeded. I don't think anyone here is scared of reprisals, from militant activists and I also think that WP isn't a pasture for anyone's sacred cow. That thread at ANI was closed before I got a chance to respond but I reject the characterization of the Bible as fiction. Regardless of one's views on the historical reliability of the Bible, it isn't presented, nor was it ever intended to be deceptive regarding its truth claims. Regards-- (talk) 08:12, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't realize that I wasn't logged in. Cheers --Adam in MO Talk 08:14, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm well aware of the ongoing dispute over depictions of Muhammad, and I don't have an issue with the way wikipedia in general operates regarding religions. The issue I have is with certain editors zeroing in on Judeo/Christian articles as if they were some special case that was in desperate need of being labeled as "fictional". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 13:55, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I noticed the thread being referred to here in passing, and baseball, I'd urge you to to be careful what you say about islam, not because they might add you to some secret list of assassination targets, but because suggesting that criticising christianity is safe whereas criticising islam will have you added to the aforementioned list could be considered pretty offensive to muslim users and we do have a policy on attacking groups of people. I apologise if I have misappraised your comment, however, since I only briefly saw the thread after its archival. If that's not were you were implying, feel free to ignore me. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 14:01, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
I've got no issues with Islam. My issue is with hypocritical users who target Judeo/Christian articles with one standard while not raising those issues with articles on Islam or elsewhere. In fact, their approach could be considered subtly anti-Islamic, in the sense that they appear to not consider Islam to be "important enough" to target with their "fictional" stamp - that Judeo/Christianity is the "real thing", hence there's some urgency to label it as "fictional". However, as their arguments and the responses demonstrate, they are too ignorant about the subject to be labeling it or anything else as "fictional". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:09, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Well, I have no real opinion one way or another as far as that goes, though I suspect that the users labelling the bible as fictional were just attempting to make a WP:POINT; I doubt there was any specific avoidance of islamic articles involved. As an atheist myself, however, I have to disagree with labelling religious texts as "fictional", since they were never intended to be a work of fiction. I suspect that those willing to go against consensus to push a POV such as this are beyond such reasoning, though. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 14:15, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
No argument there. I was raised Christian, and while some consider me a "practical atheist", I think religions should be honored, as they are an important part of most every country's culture, and none of us has a monopoly on the truth. The Muslims I've known and worked with are fundamentally no different from you and me; and they talk about Muhammad with the same reverence that Christians talk about Jesus. That doesn't mean I buy into the "hocus-pocus" aspect of religions - but I don't fully discount it either, because "I wasn't there". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:38, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Need advice... quick...

There's some serious misinformation being spread on Wikipedia about pandas. Common sense suggests it's soviet agents trying to undermine the Mao regime. Are you willing to help correct this? Sincerly, Mossad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:55, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Don't go bananas, you might get blocked or something. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:07, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


I have no actual problem with the editors at the AN/I discussion (in fact, Rod was the first admin that "set me straight" when I was a cocky newbie). Now I'm just a cocky "such-and-such" with a couple of years behind me ;> In response to this[24] question of yours, I think what O2RRob might be referring to is perhaps something like this[25]. That was the end result of this[26] that led to this[27]. Again, I've absolutely no reason to have a problem with either Rob or Malleus, but I saw your question has not been answered, so I thought I'd take a stab at it. I don't think he meant suicide either. Cheers :> Doc talk 21:05, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for helping to clarify some of the history. MF is a difficult user, for sure, and unless or until the community at large is willing to do something about it, admins have to work around it. The bottom line is that I expect that kind of behavior from certain users, but I don't expect it from admins. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:06, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
No problem! I should clarify: I have never had problems myself with either of these two. Are there "problems" concerning behavior? Oh, I think that's a distinct possibility... ;> Doc talk 22:38, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
If a good portion of the site users came across Malleus physically on fire, they'd cook things over him. HalfShadow 22:39, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Like that pet "house rabbit". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:44, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
If "a good proportion of the site users" came across me "physically on fire" I'd simply be amazed that they'd managed to extract their heads from their arses long enough to see anything but their own poo. I'm curious about the phrase "physically on fire though". As opposed to what? Are you suggesting that this "good proportion" of whom you speak wish me physical harm? Malleus Fatuorum 01:39, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
I assume you're talking to HalfShadow. We make morbid jokes, but I don't think there's anyone here that would wish you actual physical harm. One curious phenomenon about wikipedia is that long-time editors may get into some verbally violent quarrels, but they will also come to each others' defense when a truly malicious troll comes along. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:51, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

"Official" perfect games

That's be great. I'd be very interested to find out how the old Sporting News record books listed them (I used to have a couple, but parted with them years ago). Those books did have "official" designation from MLB, so unless the book somehow brackets them as "unofficial", if they're in there, they were official. That's my first thought. Looking forward to see what what you turn up. Best, Dan.—DCGeist (talk) 22:36, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

I rofled

[28]. Good one. --Jayron32 06:53, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Couldn't be helped. When I see or hear the expression, "Franco-American", Jimmie Rodgers' jingle pops into my head automatically. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:55, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
I know, I keep singing "Franco-American... It's more than just... Delicious!". Sad that the brand is now defunct. I used to like that yellow Macaroni and Cheese in the can, the one with the long noodles. I think that only Spagettio's has survived the merger with Campbell/Pepperidge Farm." --Jayron32 07:01, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Such a shame. We had their canned spaghetti for supper every Sunday evening while we watched Ed Sullivan. I couldn't find the SpaghettiOs ad itself on youtube, but here's the song the original jingle was based on:[29]Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:06, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Well, I'm not QUITE as old as that (Ed Sullivan is a bit before my time), but lets just say my brother and I used to eat Franco American Macaroni and Cheese for lunch while watching Transformers (first American run) on TV. --Jayron32 07:11, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Same idea. Another fine American tradition trashed by corporate meddlers. :( ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:13, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
"Mama Mia! That's a spicy meatball!" Doc talk 07:14, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Spaghetti-Os Discontinued As Franco-American Relations Break Down (in the context of the anti-French, or, well, anti-non-American sentiment the months following 9/11). –MuZemike 17:14, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

I used to date one...

Catherine Smith (novelist)

I went looking for a way to rescue Little Orphan Cathy and came across this gem. Boy, we really do have an article on everything. We even have articles that combine "Translation In" and "Translation Of", all in one handy place. Apparently too, Ann Radcliffe "boasts a weighty framework" - why not just say she was fat? Just dumping this here so it doesn't stay stuck in my brain for the rest of the day, you can push it down the memory hole at will. :) Franamax (talk) 23:45, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh dear! That's an AFD waiting to happen, whether the subject deserves it or not. I had no idea that "metafiction" was a word, but having now read the section titled "Metafiction translations of the 18th-century Gothic novel", I also have no idea what it means! Having seen Becoming Jane, I'm under the distinct impresssion the writer of the section doesn't either! Any idea who on WP rescues such articles? Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels? - BilCat (talk) 07:32, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm largely ignorant where literature is concerned, but is it possible it's a hoax? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:50, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
I haven't a clue, but perhaps so. Whatever it is, it does a good job of hiding whatever it is. I posted a note at the WP:NOVELS tlak page, so hopefully someone there can figure it out. - BilCat (talk) 07:54, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
The article's author appears to be still active, so I've asked her about it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 08:27, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Will you please...

Will you please tell me which tool was used by you to determine, when the particular edit was made. It seems a very useful utility/ method. Thanks in anticipation. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 06:58, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

I do this the old-fashioned way: I look through the page history. There might be another way. Also, at this point I don't know which specific edit you're referring to. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:20, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
OK, you're probably asking about the diff for when the Ganga vs. Ganges comment was added to the article titles guideline. I expanded the history list to 500 from the default of 50 and went back to a point where the edit wasn't there. Then I took kind of a "binary search" approach to narrowing down when it was posted. That doesn't guarantee it wasn't there at some previous time, but anecdotally from the binary search I didn't see it prior to September 1. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:26, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Catherine Smith (novelist)

Well, I think I can confirm that she existed, since a publisher has taken the trouble to reprint one of her novels. However, all I actually know about her is what is written in the article. Since we don't know her birth or death dates, it's difficult to link her to a "year in literature" article either. I suppose I must have been having one of those days when I was picking up the details of 18th and 19th century novelists and trying to fill in the gaps. Anyway, there was actually a link to her from 1815 in literature but it seems like the necessary disambiguation was missing, so I've fixed that now. Deb (talk) 15:02, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Next time...

...if you want to comment on vandalism done to my page, delete the vandalism first, huh? HalfShadow 20:09, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

If it's clearly vandalism, I don't care what you do to it. But if you respond to it, I (or someone else) have to revert both it and the only thing in the entry worth reading. HalfShadow 00:37, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
Also it's not the second; it's about the sixth. HalfShadow 00:38, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

I am nearly broke....

Jimbo's-place-concession-stand.png Will you nominate yourself for Arbcom so I can set up my concession stand? I'll split the Earnings with you! ;-) The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 01:45, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

I wonder if they'll accept a passport with Bugsy's picture on it? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:51, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
I can just smell that KFC (Kentucky Fried Carrot). Soxwon (talk) 02:05, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
Jimbo's Place as done by HalfShadow HalfShadow 03:24, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
yeah being a Mac user free ware aint so good for Image creation you can upload it on commons as an update of my version. I wont be offended The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 03:32, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

I know.

But like I said, I've SPed my page before (on the sixth, dropped on the 20th) and he's just waited it out. Now, if push comes to shove under the circumstances I can see about possibly getting an indef SP and we can see who dies of old age first, but he's harassing more than just me, so I'd like to find something that helps everyone instead of just turtleshelling. HalfShadow 02:10, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Bugs. As you have probably gathered by now, Access Denied has cooked us up some range blocks and we are gonna test them out for a couple days and see if they work. Regards, --Diannaa (Talk) 02:22, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Excellent. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:30, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
And it might actually be working *fingers crossed* --Diannaa (Talk) 01:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Warning to User:Wikipeep2

Wikipeep2 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)

Hello, Bugs. I might suggest not using wording like "I have reported your activities to the appropriate authorities." when you report a user to AIV... it sounds like they're being reported to the police or something. Also, while I'm here I'll just mention that I decided not to block purely because the user has not received a single warning for his/her inappropriate edits. I'm just going to AGF that s/he's just not realizing that the edits are inappropriate. GorillaWarfare talk 20:15, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Putting a little fear into them doesn't hurt. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:19, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
While you're at it, would you mind putting some fear into this fine speciem? From her comment, she evidently think Ass-purger's Syndrome is something like diarrhea! She may be closely related to one of your stalkers - they seem to have nearly the same (lack-of) intelligence! - BilCat (talk) 07:19, 24 November 2010 (UTC)


Oh, right, no reason given. I thought there had been as I reviewed it but I guess I just saw the template at the top and remembered the implied reason. The Woody Allen quote ought to be on Wikiquotes any way. I plan to see if I can find any reliable sourcing about "Groucho Marxism" and create a section on it when I have a chance. Do you happen to know of any? Yworo (talk) 19:36, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Not offhand. It would take some research. There are endless sources on the internet, but most of them are parrots of each other, hence not very reliable. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:37, 25 November 2010 (UTC)


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Thanks for the laugh

This has got to be the funniest comment I've seen today! Thanks. -- Brangifer (talk) 18:41, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. :) That's not exactly a new saying, but a number of things in wikipedia fit that category, and the time seemed right to bring it up. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:44, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

World Series changes

Hi, you took away my qote from the 'Atlanta Journal-Constitution' which was itself quoting "Doug Pappas, an attorney who was the chairman of the Society for American Baseball Research (SABR) Business of Baseball Committee. He wrote, “But the Spalding Guide -- which, after all, was published by one of the world's largest sporting goods companies, with a vested interest in bringing baseball to other lands -- had grander ambitions.” He wrote that by 1890, the Spalding Guide was explaining that “[t]he base ball championship of the United States necessarily includes that of the entire world, though the time will come when Australia will step in as a rival, and after that country will come Great Britain; but all that is for the future.” This is from Lori Johnston who is a freelancer published many times by the AJC...... could you tell me why this is not reliable? thanks, Jabberwock359 (talk) 18:53, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm not too worried about the exact date... let it be 1884, if you know that's right. More importantly, how do you know that the Spalding Guide quote is incorrect? I tried to track down a guide from www.gutenberg but could not find the exact year. Do you have one or shall I get in touch with Lori Johnston and check her sources? ta, Jabberwock359 (talk) 19:12, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

that's great, so I'll go ahead and re-include the info about it being a likely reason for the name "World Series". thanks Jabberwock359 (talk) 19:18, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

apologies... i think were simultaniously editing! I'll stop till later, then check back, cheers! Jabberwock359 (talk) 19:33, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

just had a re-read.... looks good, and provides a plausible, sourced reason for the game's puzzling name... thanks for your help - Jabberwock359 (talk) 20:05, 27 November 2010 (UTC).


When a person goes to both sides of extremes in accusations, the term is "slalomly." Collect (talk) 22:35, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

And when they greet you in Arabic first, it's "salaamly". HalfShadow 22:37, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Or "salami". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:58, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
No, that would be a formal cured sausage. HalfShadow 01:35, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
These jokes are going from brat to wurst. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:44, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes I never sausage a car wreck of a topic. Of course I only had baloney to work with, so... HalfShadow 01:53, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Between the skiing and the deli, this seems to be going downhill quickly and not tapering off. It can probably be stopped only by a cold cut. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:01, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
I agree; the troubles here are clearly mountain and 'furtermore Collect should apologize to the both of us. HalfShadow 02:10, 28 November 2010 (UTC)


ترجمة عربية (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)

"In future, please refrain from posting your self-portrait in articles."

Lame, so lame. Block evaded... how'd you like that for a laugh, you socially-inept little queerhawk? ترجمة عربية (talk) 11:10, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Just because I am not an admin...

It does not mean that I am prohibited from helping you out here and there. Signed by Barts1a Suggestions/complements? Complaints? 12:33, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Whether to block or not, is not your call to make. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:34, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.


I heard that you're biased against non-admins. I have, therefore, come to your manor to puff my chest out, hurl insults at you and poke you with a stick. I slap you in the face with the proverbial glove, demanding satisfaction! -- Scjessey (talk) 15:05, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. No carrots for you! Bad bad rabbit.TMCk (talk) 17:12, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Please, gentlemen, please. This is a very sad day. Leslie "Don't Call Me Shirley" Nielsen has departed this life, and we shall not see his like again. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Gagh! Another one who mentions Airplane!. I tweeted this earlier today. -- Scjessey (talk) 21:23, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
In fact, I happened to be having a dialogue on the Forbidden Planet talk page and mentioned that when I see the film nowadays I keep waiting for Commander Adams to say "Yes, I am serious, and don't call me Shirley!" to Dr. Morbius. Little did I know he had died. I wonder if I put the jinx on him? Hopefully nothing has happened to any other celebrities, such as, for example, Tony "Yonduh lies da castle of my fadduh, da Caliph" Curtis. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:35, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Surely it is a sad day indeed, in all seriousness. (In total jest,) Bugs, can you talk about Roseanne? - BilCat (talk) 22:06, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
OK brace yourself Bugs. Tony Curtis died at the end of September. I already re-watched Some Like It Hot and Operation Petticoat in his honour *weeps* --Diannaa (Talk) 00:35, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
It's pretty sad, but I'm Spartacus. -- Scjessey (talk) 13:37, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
I got November and September confused somehow. So what's a couple of months, anyway? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:20, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Proposed new signature

Having been inspired by some cow earlier today, I'm thinking to revise my signature to البيسبول البق Opinions? Comments? Rotten tomatoes? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:46, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah sure like TAFKAP ;- hydnjo (talk) 21:52, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
LOL. Go for it! - BilCat (talk) 22:08, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
It occurs to me I could put anything there, and who would know unless they read Arabic. I could easily have "This Space for Hire", or "Eat at Ahkmed's". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:13, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

The missing piece would be colors:

البيسبول البق البيسبول البق البيسبول البق البيسبول البق البيسبول البق البيسبول البق

Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:23, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Given that you're an equal oppurtunity offender, "Pork is delicious" or I love Isreal!" springs to mind! Or to be really controversial: "I was abhored by the 9/11 terroism acts - that is not what Islam is about", or "I oppose the promulgation of Islam by violent means." (I don't know if those have ever been written in Arabic before, so they would be ground-breaking! ;) -BilCat (talk) 22:38, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Or "If you can read this, I'm going to blow you up" HalfShadow 02:03, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
One oddity is how much that expression looks like Jeff Bagwell's autograph, if he were a doctor instead of a ballplayer. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:41, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Stick with your current moniker. GoodDay (talk) 23:54, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

My old name

Please do not meantion my old name again. The change happened over 2 years ago. Since I am not an admin nor running for ArbCom there is no need to dig that far back. Please stop doing so until I file my third RfA or I run for election in ArbCom or you may see another thread about you in AN/I. Thanks for reading! Signed by Barts1a Suggestions/complements? Complaints? 22:21, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

As you wish. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:23, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
*Whistles "How Much Is That Doggie in the Window?"* HalfShadow 01:45, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
*Bark, Bark - The whislting is just too lonely wothout the followup* MarnetteD
See why I changed it now? Signed by Barts1a Suggestions/complements? Complaints and constructive criticism? 02:04, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Bingo. Although I do find myself wondering whatever became of 1b, 2, 3, etc. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:49, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Oh hey, didn't notice you there. Wocka-wocka. Or, as it went on Alderaan (before Alderaan, you know, went) "Wookiee Wookiee". HalfShadow 02:06, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Random Thought

Since the Project is so good at lists, what about if we were to have a list of the most overwhelming rejections of AfDs? Say ... those with a base of at least 30/40 votes, where at least 90 per cent of the !voters voted against the nom's notion that the article was worthy of deletion? Thoughts?--Epeefleche (talk) 00:44, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Where would one find those stats? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:50, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Hmmmm. Good point. May not be easily bot-able. I guess we could have a bot report the AfDs with the most editor entries ... but by their nature that would be a hassle. How about this -- we could have editors report them to a list! That is what we do with our "articles on wikipedia reported in the press" list, so there is a precedent.--Epeefleche (talk) 04:54, 30 November 2010 (UTC)


I've advised Lunalet to cut down of the ABF or he'll be heading to ANI. Mjroots (talk) 09:59, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Very good. Thank you. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:00, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm working on it, Bugs. Lunalet (talk) 10:57, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
If you read the POV section on lunalet's talk page, you'll find that the user is persistent in his behavior. I still think the user should be reported to ANI, though I am unaware of the protocols so I don't want to do it myselft(if I am breaking any rules by writing this please tell me, I will remove this message). Taqi Haider (talk) 11:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
At this point I don't much care. But if he continues he current course, he'll get enough editors mad at him that they'll do something about it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:40, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Don't bother.

I'm almost certain it's another Jameswhatson (talk · contribs) sock. A brand new account and the first edits are to my account and JamesBWatson (talk · contribs)'s? And I'm not even a translator. Nor am I "busy in RL". HalfShadow 17:46, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

RE Misconceptions

Thanks. I don't think it's "clueless". I think it's arrogance that's often seen with POV-pushing disruptive editors. Let me know if it goes to ANI. I'll give my two cents. BTW, do you have review privileges? I can never figure out why my edits to that article always are pending review. Every other article that requires review accepts them immediately. Cresix (talk) 00:00, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

He just reverted again. If think it wise, you could remove the item again. Neither of us needs to get close to 3RR obviously. Cresix (talk) 00:05, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I know he can remove comments on his talk page. The only reason I restored your comment was for the context of my additional comment. Cresix (talk) 00:09, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit warring

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on List of common misconceptions. Users who edit disruptively or refuse to collaborate with others may be blocked if they continue. In particular the three-revert rule states that making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period is almost always grounds for an immediate block. If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the talk page to discuss controversial changes. Work towards wording and content that gains consensus among editors. If unsuccessful, then do not edit war even if you believe you are right. Post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. TheThomas (talk) 00:46, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Bugs, I've got the greatest respect for you as an editor, but on this particular point I'm afraid that you're not exactly correct. It may sound odd, but technically (in terms of Cladistics), birds are indeed "living dinosaurs" rather than modern descendants of ancient dinos. This point is actually fairly well explained in our Dinosaur article: "Consequently, in modern classification systems, birds are considered a type of dinosaur — the only group of which that survives until the present day.[1][2]" That actually appears in the first paragraph of the article, so it's easy to check on if you're curious about the refs. It may seem counter-intuitive because we are used to thinking of dinosaurs as critters that went extinct long ago, but this definitely represents the mainstream science view. Anyway, I hope this helps. Happy editing, Doc Tropics 01:32, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
The origin of birds article begins by saying it's a contentious issue. But the misconceptions article could be reworded to make the matter clearer. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:18, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I had no idea how much discussion this subject had generated, I'm still reading to catch up! Part of the problem seems to be that the two items in the List were written separately, but are so closely related that they need to be addressed in relation to each other, as well as in the context of "technical linguistics" vs. "common usages". I don't have any concrete suggestions yet, but the discussion is fun to watch  :) Doc Tropics 23:59, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
This is an offshoot of the item that the OP here keeps edit-warring over. It would be nice if he would participate in the dinosaur discussion, but he seems to have disappeared again. I have to say the dinosaur discussion has been educational for me. The pivotal point seems to be that "dinosaur" used to mean one thing, and has since been extended to a broader umbrella, but the original definition is what the public thinks of when "dinosaur" is mentioned. And frankly, the scientists shouldn't have broadened that umbrella - they should have come up with a different term, and this kind of thing could be avoided. (It's like the ones who insist on calling Brontosaurus by the name "Apatasaurus", even though all of us in the Hoi Polloi "know" that it's a Brontosaurus.) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:53, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
If we're gonna get picky, I could point out that "the Hoi Polloi" means "the The Commoners"! --Orange Mike | Talk 21:42, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering if someone would notice that. And also the fact that I misspelled Apatosaurus. And so it goes. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:46, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Better watch your spelling, they tend to take that as an insult; nobody likes sore dinos. HalfShadow 01:52, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Dynamic IPs

They're such sensative fellows, aren't they? GoodDay (talk) 03:29, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Yup. Volatile, even. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:54, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Banned user???

Capaci34 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)

Hello to Admins out there watchlisting this page (Sorry but I hate going to ANI and ARV for such minor thing), can someone put a stop to this taunt? According to the page deletion log, this guy is a banned user but his identity is withheld. If indeed he is, then wouldn't the logical thing to do be just to Revert, block, and ignore??? Best. (PS: I was about to place a welcome template on his talk page when I took a long hard look at the deletion log and decided against until I can ascertain the facts.) ←→Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 17:36, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Asking the admins who did the deletion, might be worthwhile. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:00, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
I don't see anything in this user's deletion log - what am I missing? NawlinWiki (talk) 19:08, 3 December 2010 (UTC) No, Capaci34 is an admin on the German WP, and his page here has been repeatedly vandalized by the German vandal (the one who keeps making attack usernames about German WP users). Capaci34 is fine. NawlinWiki (talk) 19:09, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
  • There's a guideline called "don't template the regulars", but he might be amused by a "welcome" (or willkommen). ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:42, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

So who are you, then?

Well, not necessarily who are you, but where d'you live? Whaddya do? We get along well, might as well get to know each other. HalfShadow 21:36, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

I live in the American midwest, and work in the IT department of a manufacturing company. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:30, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
NERRRRRRD!!!! Heeheehee... HalfShadow 21:21, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Did I mention that I also work part-time as a masseur at a nudist resort populated by supermodels? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:23, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Photos, or it didn't happen. HalfShadow 21:25, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
As I recall, my comment was "Did I mention...?" ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:37, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Heck, photos even if it didn't happen! Nude photos of supermodels are still quite "valuable", whether he works at such a resort or not. - BilCat (talk) 21:39, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
"Google Images" is your friend. :) Except beware of malware. :( ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:42, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Yes, don't forget your CyberCondom. HalfShadow 21:47, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
I have found, from bitter experience, that you can be exposed to malware even at seemingly G-rated sites. You never know where those little devils will hide. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:52, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Kerry Woods 20 strikeout game

FYI - WGN Radio is rebroadcasting Kerry Woods 20 strikeout game. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 19:21, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Awesome. I remember that early-May game. He made the Astros look like chumps.[30]Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:31, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
It's part of their Santo tribute. AQFK (talk) 19:40, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
They have to do it every year; it's in the contract. You know: the Santo clause. HalfShadow 21:32, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
I wonder if you know that Sports Illustrated used that exact same joke (or its punch line, anyway) 40 years ago. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:38, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
I expect Ronnie was going nuts in that one. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:54, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Actually, Pat Hughes was the one going nuts. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 21:53, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
It was an amazing performance. The Astros were no slouch that year, in fact they finished ahead of the Cubs (both went to the playoffs). But on this day, they couldn't lick a stamp. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:00, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Tomorrow, they're rebroadcasting Zambrano's no-hitter. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 22:03, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
It's turning into Beat-up-on-the-Astros week. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:05, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
I wonder who they're going to hire to replace him. It would be nice to get Steve Stone back. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 22:12, 4 December 2010 (UTC)


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ExtenZe Field?

Though this edit is it's obviously vandalism, it may also be prognosticating! I have a feeling it may not be "long" before we see such an name "shortly". :( - BilCat (talk) 02:10, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps the stadium with this name would have out field walls that could be moved forward and back depending on the strength of the batter at the plate :-). MarnetteD | Talk 02:24, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Revert? What?

I feel like your blind revert of my edit to List of United States presidential nicknames highlights what I don't like about most "Wikipedians" and their revert-happiness. I did a constructive edit to the formatting because the page looked wrong. Trying to act in good faith I also added another nickname, which was very common in political circles in its heyday, that I felt made the article lacking. Because you didn't like the nickname, you also reverted my helpful formatting change. Don't be so careless with your edits.

Your argument against the nickname ("not common enough") is also pretty absurd. As I say it was incredibly common in DC circles at one time. The article is full of nicknames that are much more obscure than that one. Ask folks who follow politics what "Shrub" means, then ask them who "The Careful Dutchman" was. Maybe by your logic we should remove these other obscure references. (talk) 06:06, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Good luck keeping it there. You'll need it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 07:19, 5 December 2010 (UTC)


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Dealing with bad faith?

Hi Baseball Bugs, I know that you're one of the longest serving users here, and that you've often spent some time around ANI, so I figured that you'd be able to help me with a question I have about dealing with bad faith. There was a lengthy discussion going on at Talk:U2 which was consistently being disrupted by one editor who constantly threw out accusations of bias and bad faith. The editor was repeatedly asked to stop doing so by numerous others, both on Talk:U2 and their user talk page, but the behaviour persisted. Since the requests were obviously being ignored, what is the next step that should be taken to try and get this user to discuss things more co-operatively and civilly in future? I'm unfamiliar with what to do in this sort of circumstance. Cheers, Melicans (talk, contributions) 18:20, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't know much about that situation and would have to study the matter. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:04, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Don't waste your brain cells. That dispute is even more WP:LAME than the Jimbo DOB dispute. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 19:29, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Last I looked, the debate was over whether U2 is an "Irish" band. Folks get into battles over the weirdest petty details here.
Note that I said "I would have to..." rather than "I will..." :)Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:34, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm working on the article for Michael Jackson's new album and there's a lame dispute over whether the album should be listed as a studio or a compilation album. They've been edit-warring (on and off) for the past 2 weeks, an RfC was opened, one editor was blocked and now the article is locked for two weeks. Some people just need to get a life. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 19:39, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Is the album all new (i.e. previously unreleased) material, or does it have some previously released stuff also? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:06, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
It has one song that was previously released. I'm not sure if it's the same version of the song. Anyway, it doesn't matter. I was just venting. :) A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 20:40, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Was that one song also produced in a studio? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:53, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Stating that the band is from Dublin seems to be a reasonable compromise if it chills the lame edit war. Maybe if they had called themselves "The Irish Band" instead of "U2", and played the Clancy Brothers' songbook instead of rock, there wouldn't be a debate. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:31, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Well, it looks like consensus has been reached about the change. Thanks. The question was more about what steps can be taken to prevent the user from issuing further bad faith in the future. Melicans (talk, contributions) 02:40, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
There has been some discussion at ANI as you know. The bad faith part gets tricky. Editors can be totally good-faith and be totally wrong in their approach. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:53, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Cheers. Melicans (talk, contributions) 03:04, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

RfC? Jimbo's birthday

Hey Bugs,

I've noticed you've starting getting into the whole Jimbo birthday debate. I want to launch an RfC for the issue, but am having difficulty getting support for the idea. Do you think you could take a look at User:NickCT/sandbox and tell me whether you think this is a good idea.

On another note, I largely agree with the POV you espouse regarding this issue. I think an RfC might finally bring us some closure on this point.

Thanks, NickCT (talk) 14:12, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

I just can't believe so much energy is being expended on whether someone was born on the 7th or 8th. It's a very pointy discussion, in my opinion. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:05, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
NickCT: I don't think you need to get anyone's support to file an RfC. You can do so on your own accord. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 19:08, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
I think that's correct. It's not like a request for mediation or an RFC/U. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:21, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Dammit, Bugs! Why did you have to mention the time of day?[31] Now they something else to argue about! :) A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 20:08, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm just trying to figure out how they would get the 7th and the 8th mixed up. It be gone now. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:12, 6 December 2010 (UTC)


There's an old prank having to do with a receptionist being tricked into cluelessly paging one "Mike Hunt" over a public address system. I can't believe I'm telling you this. Gwen Gale (talk) 19:54, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

It's true; the gag made it into the movie Porky's. Should I feel bad for actually knowing that? Doc Tropics 20:01, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Porky's was funny, although it will likely never be selected for preservation by the National Archives. And the waitress getting tricked into paging "Mike Hunt" was what I immediately thought of when Mr. Naughtie's comment turned up. Maybe he had just finished watching the movie himself. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:11, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Oh no, I never saw that movie, but yeah, there's telling background to that. Gwen Gale (talk) 20:13, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
I would say that movie speaks to my inner teenager. :) I'm not so sure you would like it so well. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:55, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
I know I would hate it, which is why I've never sought it out. Here's all I can say. Gwen Gale (talk) 21:00, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
"...raunchy adolescent classic..." A perfect review in 3 words. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:03, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
I doubt you would actually hate it, you would probably just find it sophomoric. Although as P.J. O'Rourke once said, "sophomoric" is a PC code-word that means "funny". But it's safe to say that if you don't like, for example, the Three Stooges, you aren't likely to like Porky's. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:06, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
I've tried to watch the Three Stooges a few times. While maybe I understand their skill at having taken Mack Sennett a step further in all that middle school slapstick, they bore me so, I can't make it through even one of their shorts. Gwen Gale (talk) 22:01, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Their really early ones are the best. Their films were only 20 minutes long and were never intended to be great art. Maybe the appeal of a Laurel and Hardy, who did plenty of slapstick themselves, is that their work is at least a little more subtle and kind of endearing in a way. With the Stooges, it was just mindless slapstick. But they did it very well. Their early films show that their act was already established and polished, from years of stage work. I would recommend either Punch Drunks or Men in Black if you had to see one. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:03, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Don't forget Mike Hunt's best friend, Ben Dover. PhGustaf (talk) 22:09, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Right. One of the survivors of the Hindenburg crash was a comedic performer / acrobat named Joseph Späh, whose stage name was Ben Dova. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:55, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Howard Cosell

I was quite pleased to see the improvement you made to the article. I did not know that there was a connection there between those two fine gentlemen until I saw your edit. Thank you for your help. There is one thing that I am not sure about though. With you being here so long and with all of your edits, I was surprised to see such a lame way of referencing the information. I would think that anyone with half a brain that has been here as long as you would have finally stumbled onto basic editing guidelines. Anyways Happy Editing to you, please continue to contribute here and let me know if you need any assistance. Susie Sunshine (talk) 03:04, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

I've never been able to figure out the in-line citation stuff, but I know there are others that can do it and they will usually eventually fix it. I was tipped off to that interesting story by ESPN's Outside the Lines yesterday, which went into much more detail about how ABC Monday Night Football happened to scoop everyone, but I thought that was too much info for the article. Just an extra sentence or two seemed sufficient. The most interesting part is that Cosell didn't want to do it, but he was urged to do so by boothmates Frank Gifford and Don Meredith (who, coincidentally, died yesterday). ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:08, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Meridith was one of three reasons I always watched MNF with the sound off, back in the day.--Wehwalt (talk) 03:37, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Of the three, I thought Gifford was the best one, as he could call a game competently and didn't try to be a comedian or a pomposity. Cosell, in particular, was a real piece of work. But undeniably an interesting character. Someone once said, "He sounds like an imitation of himself." Re-reading that article, I had forgotten how many feuds he had managed to get himself into. But he was also very smart. When everyone was criticizing Cassius Clay for changing his name and religion, Cosell immediately started calling him Muhammed Ali, which I'm sure helped gain him access to the champ. He knew which side of his bread was buttered. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:07, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
So, what's your call on the Pats vs. Bears game Sunday? The line is Pats -3 and an o/u of less than the Pats scored last time. The more interesting question is how one might implement a bet on Wikipedia. Whichever way, I do like the way Chicagoans implement hot dogs. PhGustaf (talk) 09:28, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
I won't make score predictions, but I suspect it will be the Patriots. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:25, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Well you know...'re not the only one who can't resist a straight line. HalfShadow 04:06, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Cable? Pfft, sattelite is the way of the future, my friend. Oh, the lord loves a hangin' that's why He gave us nuecks... HalfShadow 04:12, 7 December 2010 (UTC)


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Bugs Bunny

Some guy in a Geico commercial was hunting for rabbits, which was probably you, Bugs. He mispelled rabbits a few times. He was probably Doc. WAYNESLAM 00:34, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Yep, "Doc" being Bugsy's standard nickname for Elmer. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:45, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
If you ever see Elmer Fudd edit on Wikipedia, just go by on his talk page and say "Hello, Doc." WAYNESLAM 01:01, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Yes, and if he answers back, "Hello, Bugs", I'll know he's a fraud, as it should be, "Hewwo, Bugs!" :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:11, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
"I'm hunting wabbits! Do you want to hunt with me?" is what he will say to you. You should tell him that you're not a rabbit even though you are to Elmer. WAYNESLAM 01:17, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Elmer is easily confused and duped. That's why Yosemite Sam was created, as he appears to be at least somewhat of a threat to Bugsy. Sam is also easily duped, but watching him blow his stack frequently is entertaining. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:20, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
They should be friends so they won't mess with Bugs. WAYNESLAM 01:23, 8 December 2010 (UTC)


I'm going to respond to your comments on this on the various talk pages. While your statements could be a valid critique of his content, they can't be taken into consideration as it's all OR from a Wikipedian. He has the journal article, and the RS noticeboard post concluded that his article is an RS, so in order to "respond" to his statements one has to cite another article that responds to his article.

Also the talk page discussions are supposed to be about whether his opinions are "Undue weight" and that differs from article to article, so replies need to be crafted to consider the particular article in question. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:26, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

This is the RS noticeboard thread: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_82#Cartoon_Sexuality - The last four replies indicate the consensus the RS noticeboard reached. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:27, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
It seems like you only answered at Yogi Bear, so I responded here Talk:Yogi_Bear#Sexuality WhisperToMe (talk) 22:33, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Bugs, thanks for your input, please check out these other discussions of the same topic: Scooby-Doo (character) (talk), Shaggy Rogers (talk), Daphne Blake (talk), Velma Dinkley (talk), Pinky and the Brain (talk), Heffer Wolfe (talk) and Yogi Bear (talk). Judgeking (talk) 22:32, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Fringe views, with roughly the same verifiability as the Flat Earth. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:42, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Responded at Yogi Bear in more detail, but the flat earth theory is different because there are a mountain of sources saying "the earth is round" overwhelmingly against flat earth, and a mountain of sources describing other aspects of earth. That's why flat earth is excluded. Relative to "earth," "flat earth" is unimportant. For example, in the case of Yogi Bear, there is one journal article (Dennis) and one response article (Goodman) - Looking at content and the other sources, I see no other secondary analysis of the character (As in no "reception" section). To make the case "this is as relevant to Yogi as flat earth is to earth" you need to amass enough sources to get the article to a Homer Simpson-like level where material will have to be excluded as it's too much detail. In the case of Earth, flat earth theory gets its own article to deal with that.
WhisperToMe (talk) 22:57, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Fringe theories don't belong. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:59, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
I am aware of that general guideline; IMO, because most of those articles do not have an abundance of scholarship, it is not possible to have a "fringe theory" on any of them, and any reliably published academic opinion will get in. You can argue that such a thing could be a "fringe theory" for an FA article like The Simpsons. Whether something is "fringe" or not is an article by article thing, so that's determined on the talk page, and wide community consensus would be determined by an RFC on each article. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:08, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
One guy has invented that nonsense. That's about as fringe as it gets. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:23, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
IMO, just because the view is in one person's peer-reviewed journal doesn't necessarily mean it's "fringe." The question is whether the view is important in relation to other views and determining what the general mainstream opinion is. As said above, without a significant scholarly base it's not possible to label a view as fringe. However I have an idea on how this could be resolved:
I think the way to solve this is to make a post at Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard - If you want, I can make the post, or if you want, you can make it. It's up to you.
WhisperToMe (talk) 23:50, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
User:JDDJS said he's going to start it. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:05, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm back

And I am willing to reform my ways if people are nice to me. I'm not bad. I just merely want kindeness. Sound fair? Big Brother of The Party (talk) 22:56, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Your future here is totally in your own hands. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:00, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
I watched Bart get blocked for being bad. I don't want to get blocked again. Simple as that. Will you be nice to me? I think you are alright personally. Big Brother of The Party (talk) 23:02, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Bugs, the above user is User:Baseball Fanatic. Eagles 24/7 (C) 23:38, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
To that I can only say this:[32] :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:51, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Haha. Eagles 24/7 (C) 23:52, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Or, under the circumstances, possibly this. HalfShadow 01:38, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Why does it take so long to get from second base to third base?

.....because there's a "short stop" in between?Buster7 (talk) 16:07, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Yep. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 15:25, 10 December 2010 (UTC)


I'm mildly tempted to tell SandyGeorgia what she can shove where and how deeply, but whatever. HalfShadow 20:31, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Possible non-constructive changes to Baseball bios and templates by IP

BbB, appears to be on a spree of possibly spurious changes to MLB articles. A little out of my area, but I can see it's just not Cricket (metaphorically, not literally). Could you possibly have a look into this?--Shirt58 (talk) 11:03, 11 December 2010 (UTC)


Hi Bugs. A few moons ago I remember a discussion here about the Marx Bros and Margaret Dumont. I wanted to let you know about a new book by Roy Blount, Jr. entitled Hail, Hail, Euphoria!: Presenting the Marx Brothers in Duck Soup, the Greatest War Movie Ever Made. I picked it up this morning and am already halfway through it. I am enjoying it tremendously and have laughed out loud more than once. Though it is a slim book (149 pages) it seems to have more info than scholarly texts twice the size. Bugs Bunny even gets a mention at one point! Might be worth your time if you are interested. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 21:50, 11 December 2010 (UTC)


See this edit. But you have to see this in context of the history of the page User talk:LouisPhilippeCharles. PLC has in the past deleted the reasons for a block created and edited a new article on the talk page and then requested an unblock forcing unblocking administrators to waste their time trawling through the history of the talk page for information on the reasons for the block (and previous blocks) and the reasons given by other administrators for turning down previous unblock requests. -- PBS (talk) 20:50, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, if his/her motives are to develop a new article and not lay a smoke screen then that is a simple solution. -- PBS (talk) 07:27, 13 December 2010 (UTC)


The user Tony1, who hid his identity in making that statement, has a huge poster on his userpage supporting Wikileaks. Doesnt that violate NPOV and COI? Have fun! Wolfstorm000 (talk) 04:13, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Feel free to turn him in to the CIA, the FBI, or the nearest convenient parallel dimension. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:55, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Can you help?

I've been thinking about multiple universes on the basis of some statements made in accordance with hindu mythology...And to me, it appears that these postulates must be true....of course, my intention is to provide a link between Philosophy and science...

I hope that you know about myths...about the position of planets influencing the nature and fate of human...
I have tried to provide scientific explanation for this...and my theory is....

Each body exerts a gravitational force on the other...Now, for example, Jupiter and the earth are rotating around the sun.... Jupiter exerts a gravitational force on u..At the same time, sun also exerts a force on u....these forces now disturb your energy field (possibly, the energy fields created by the matter waves u emit)....Thus, your energy gets changed due to the interference of these energies....Thus, your energy changes unknowingly (without your conscience)...Thus, Ur thoughts...which also are a resultant of ur energy variations...(My hypothesis is that..Thoughts arise when our energy levels are changed due to the influence of another body)..will also, correspondingly, ur deeds will change...

Coming to fate or luck...Ur energy will have an influence on others too...Some others energy fields get disturbed...accordingly, that person might begin to like or dislike u..(I believe this is the scientific reason for love, affection or what ever it may be)..

Now, when u go to perform an act, (Every work u do is just a modification of energy field)...your changing energy will also influence the work or ur task's energy field....thus, creating a negative or positive effect...means, suppose ur energy (it might be silly reasoning but dont laugh ok, coz i'm just trying my best) is in some sort of destructive interfernce with ur task's energy; then, that wud create a negative effect type of b thing...thus barricading ur effort to break the energy..or acheive that energy or emit that energy....(If u r going to do any task, it is nothing but breaking into the regions of the energy)....

Please help me in refining my thoughts. Ofcourse, I'm just a beginner. I have just started to read about cosmology, So I dont know much. Kindly answer me and dont mock me because I'm just an amateur. — (talk) 08:35, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

You lost me at the bakery. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:54, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Actually, all of the above is entirely reasonable - it is obvious that the gravity field of Jupiter and electromagnetic radiation emitted by the Sun both do affect my task to visit the bakery. It's just that one affects me a significant amount (by warming me up sufficiently that I can feel it), and the other affects me an insigificant amount.
Two suggestions occur to me, though. First, try to use ellipsis ("...") less. If there is something that goes in that "..." space, then each time, try to state what it is, rather than just using the ellipsis to suggest that there's something missing and you want the reader to try to guess what it is.
Second, any theory or discussion becomes much more credible if it is phrased in terms of named scientific phenomena for which there are already ample scientific observations and data. For example, "Jupiter exerts a gravitational force on u" is good - we know this to be true and we have a wealth of data suggesting that Jupiter has a gravitational field. "ur task's energy field" is not so good - there are no scientific data, or even theories, to suggest that a "task" (an abstract concept) has an "energy field".
Alternatively, you could embark on scientific enquiry yourself. Produce a theory as to how and why a task has an energy field, including an explanation of how such an energy field relates to different sorts of forces we already know about (gravity, for example). Then, describe an experiment which would prove this theory correct, including what observational results you would expect if a task does have an energy field, and if it does not. Then, perform the experiment!
--Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:20, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
I'll make a note of that. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 02:52, 14 December 2010 (UTC)


Maybe I should have asked this less than heard u this question - but here goes. I just watched this movie with Hugh Grant and others playing the parts of young undergraduates at Oxford University in England during the British Edwardian era. I thought the film and story somewhat typical of the portrayed upper class of the time and period and that it was well acted and produced. What puzzles me about this kind of film is how young men (the actors), clearly in their sexual prime, can kiss, cuddle, be affectionate to each other, even get into bed with each other, simulate gay sex, and not become aroused, even if they are not actually gay or curious. By the way, I couldn't care less either way - it's their business, not mine. The biographies of the principals suggest that they are mostly happily married with kids, so how do they control their natural urges doing those erotic scenes? Or do they genuinely not have any natural urges towards other men and can act those scenes totally devoid of any arousal? And I suppose the same goes for women/women scenarios too? Tigerdewdz (talk) 16:18, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

What might make you think Bugs has anything especially useful to say about this? He's quite knowledgeable about baseball, and perhaps about hot dishes, but this matter seems outside his expertise. PhGustaf (talk) 16:39, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
Well it could be about baseball and hot dishes (strictly in an erotic sense) and he also seems really intelligant, unless u can answer the question for me? Tigerdewdz (talk) 17:35, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
I'll have to give the matter a little thought. I'll get back after I take a walk around the block. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:53, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
And I'll strike up the band. –MuZemike 02:52, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
There was a film about that: Boyz 'n the Banned. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:04, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
It took me a while to remember this, but the 1968 British film If.... might be of interest to the OP. PhGustaf (talk) 05:40, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

RE: Spiders

There might be a new psychiatric disorder here: arachnoapnea. Cresix (talk) 01:49, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

You should propose that at a scientific forum and see if it's got legs: Eight legs to be precise. And speaking of Bacon (true story), Kevin Bacon said someone once asked him if he knew his name was also a food. Cresix (talk) 03:13, 14 December 2010 (UTC)


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Already covered in the misc. ref desk. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:43, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Today, on "International Evil Twin Day" (It's new. Honest.)

I give you... Bustin Jieber. HalfShadow 20:34, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Wow. And I thought it was too late in the day to learn something new. I wonder if there's also a Busan Soyle out there somewhere. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:11, 14 December 2010 (UTC)


What have I done to you that you act like I was a vandal on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Refstyle changes proposal? I mean, do you think I am stupid, suggesting an "edit war trap" for me? I've been contributing to Wikipedia for more than 6 years. I accumulated almost 100,000 edits on the English Wikipedia, mostly typofixing with AWB. But also, I'm a long time member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Citation cleanup. The whole purpose of that project is fixing incomplete citations. For instance, I did [33], [34], [35], [36], [37], [38], [39], and [40]. In each of these examples, I edited the particular article for the first time. In each of these articles, I changed the citation style (how can you cleanup citations w/out changing the style, anyway).

For the past 6 years, I considered those kinds of edits very helpful to Wikipedia. A lot of people appreciated what I've been doing [41], [42]. But it seems like I'm no longer allowed to do that. I love Wikipedia, and I always loved doing that gnomic work, fixing minor errors without further ado, and without having to request anyone's a priori permission to implement them. So, could you please tell me what I'm supposed to do? Am I supposed to start a discussion on each articles talk page first, where ever I just want to add an ISBN number, implement a citation template, or add columns to the reflist for usability? Is this how improving Wikipedia is supposed to be done? —bender235 (talk) 21:53, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Don't take it personally. I have been known to challenge what I consider to be "busy work" edits that have no apparent real value to the reader. I did so just a few days ago, in fact, in regard to someone who was taking spaces out of infoboxes on the theory that it would improve performance. Given that, I invite you to post 2 blocks of text below - one of them your way, one of them the other way, so that I can judge whether it matters or not. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:00, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you want me to do. This is not about two versions of texts. This is about users having the right to edit every Wikipedia article, w/out asking anyone for permission first. I mean, I always followed WP:BRD. I made that citation cleanup, and waited. Most of the time people liked it, and it stuck. In some case they reverted it, but I'm fine with that, too. In fact, when I was making one of those minor edits to one of User:CBM's articles Feynman point, he reverted it, and I started a discussion on the articles talk page. The dispute was settled per WP:CITEHOW (keeping the old style rather than using the new one). I'm totally fine with that.
But now, even editing the article in the first place is considered a policy violation by CBM. And an astonishing amount of people agree with him (including you). I still don't realize how this has happened. —bender235 (talk) 22:10, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
It's because you're making mass changes without discussion or consensus, basically abusing the BRD principle. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:14, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm not really sure where to draw the line between normal and "mass changes". I mean, of course I edit a lot of articles per day, mostly fixing typo, but on some of them I also change the reference list style. Looking into my contributions log, I see that I've made this kind of edit eight times within my last 500 edits (past four days). I don't know if that is a "mass change". Is it? —bender235 (talk) 22:20, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
When consensus is against what you're doing, then stop doing it and find something else to do. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:27, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Sure, I understand edits should always follow accepted guidelines. But where and when was the consensus established that reference lists are not allowed to be displayed with columns? I never found such a prohibition on WP:MOS or anywhere else. If a majority of Wikipedia users actually decided not to use {{Reflist|colwidth=...}}, then why is this feature available in the first place? —bender235 (talk) 22:34, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Explain to me, in one reasonably-lengthed sentence, how the changes you're advocating improve wikipedia for the readers. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:35, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Using "colwidth" allows the browser to automatically choose the number of columns based on the width of the web browser. Which means, someone who's visiting Wikipedia on a large monitor sees more columns (likely 3-4) than someone who's visiting on a netbook, tablet or even smaller device. The latter only see 1-2 columns. To implement this feature was part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Usability, simply to improve accessibility. I never thought this would put me in that much trouble. —bender235 (talk) 22:42, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Post some before-and-after examples below, please. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:46, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Usability#Ideal column width for references. —bender235 (talk) 22:48, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
So, what gnomic work can I do from now on w/out risking a block? Obviously ref style changes are a no-no, and so are citation cleanups. How can I do those minor improvement from now on? —bender235 (talk) 23:31, 14 December 2010 (UTC)


I have replied to your caution on my "Complaints and Constructive Criticism" page. Barts1a | Talk to me | Yell at me | Merry Christmas to all! 05:41, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


I must assume it's not, since the price of being wrong is a block. And, yes, this really is unfair. Dylan Flaherty 11:10, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

To James with love...

I was just wondering why your friend (half shadow) is allowed to refer to people he doesnt like as 'little shits' yet doesnt get repremanded either for feeding the trolls of trolling them? wierd kind of double standard isnt it, one rule for your friends and yourself and one rule for everyone else.

By the way, my name and his names similarity is purely coincidence! — Preceding unsigned comment added by WatsonJamesB (talkcontribs) 11:33, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

As is any apparent resemblance between yourself and a real editor. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:41, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Your email...

Has been matched by my email. Check it out. --Jayron32 02:10, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

No hard feelings.

You were one of the few editors who kept some objectivity about the content issue and while you were caught up in the feeding frenzy, I don't believe your role was malicious. I'd rather not hold any more grudges than I absolutely have to in life, so I'm willing to let this one go if you are. Deal? Dylan Flaherty 09:16, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Soytenly! My main concern is about wikipedia's usability by the public. Don't take anything I say personally. We're all just trying to glide down the highway while we're slip-slidin' away. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:19, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Paul was an overall "drag" on the songwriting partnership. Art had so much to say, but Paul was just too "preachy". "You know the nearer your destination the more you're slip-slidin' away." A chimpanzee could have written that! Bunch of dummy pinkos... Doc talk 09:33, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
Maybe, but just keep in mind that one man's ceiling is another man's floor. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:46, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
"All lies and jests: still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." Poetic, no? ;> Doc talk 09:55, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
No. Er, Yes. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:14, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Murrumbidgee photo

Thanks, the photo was taken from the river bank no more then 50m (164ft) but not near or on a bridge. I have a few photos on flickr, some of which will be uploaded to Commons. Bidgee (talk) 09:39, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm sure you had a good time there. Likewise, I would have laughed all the way to the banks. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:44, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
Pity there wasn't any money flowing in, seemed to be flowing out. :( ;) Bidgee (talk) 09:50, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
Reminds me of my back yard the time I went on a cruise and forgot I had left my lawn sprinkler on. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 10:15, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

something's afoot there

Yeah, I do smell a wodent, Bugs and I something tells me it's not fuzzy mistah squewell in wiki-land. Gwen Gale (talk) 16:52, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Rogereeny. Time will tell. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:22, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

AN/I and Bart

You have my full support. Ms S. Starbeam (talk) 23:59, 18 December 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for the note. I hope that Dave is okay and just busy with holiday season stuff. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 01:19, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Typical Liberal Asshat

I see you are the typical liberal asshat that wants to censor or ban everything you don't agree with. Fuck you. I will IP edit until the day I die. (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)

As opposed to what, a typical conservative "asshat" that wants to censor or ban everything it doesn't agree with? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:04, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Wait. You mean there's PoV on en.WP? I don't believe it, Bugs! Gwen Gale (talk) 17:09, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
The IP isn't paying attention. Bugs is clearly an atypical liberal asshat. Dayewalker (talk) 17:12, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm almost certain there's a compliment in there somewhere. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:17, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
The IP's invite for a sexual liaison is declined, as I am no longer infected, and would like to stay that way. :) Its final comment made me think George Jones should have put out a sequel: "He Stopped Editing Today." ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:15, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Somehow reminds me of that so hard core C&W tune, Lead Me On (Loretta Lynn & Conway Twitty song). Gwen Gale (talk) 17:19, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
One thing you have to admire about IP's is their sense of humor. Like this one:
Q: What does the "K" stand for on the Wildcats' uniforms?
A: "Kollege".
Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:22, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
I don't get it. :D Gwen Gale (talk) 17:27, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
The IP geolocates to Kentucky, which as everyone knows is on the leading edge of intellectual thought in this country. Actually, this was a lame variant on the one about what the Cornhuskers "N" stands for: "Nollege". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:30, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
All true enough. I thought you were making a joke, my botch. :P Gwen Gale (talk) 17:32, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Well, *I* thought I was making a joke, but sometimes they don't work out. Even Henny Youngman and Rodney Dangerfield had their off-days. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:33, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Like me ;) Gwen Gale (talk) 17:39, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


Hello friend. Let's collaborate and create a featured article.--William S. Saturn (talk) 18:21, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

On what subject? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:33, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
How about politics? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:35, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
That's not a bad idea. I'll consult my lawyer, Hon. Charles H. Hungadunga. And if he advises me to do it, I'll get a new lawyer. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:38, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Executive summary: I try to avoid political articles nowadays.
I defended the Obama articles and ended up with a topic ban. I figured the cure for future topic bans on political articles was to stay away from political articles. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:44, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that you mentioned "He Stopped Loving Her Today" in a previous thread. I went to the article and was surprised by its lack of detail.--William S. Saturn (talk) 19:50, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
That could be nice and safe. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:12, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Having been recently topic banned myself, I feel your pain, Bugs. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 20:03, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Since that episode I've grown older but wiser. Well, older, at least. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:12, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't think you understand checkuser

Alison is a good friend of mine. But her checkuser powers do not include clairvoyance. There's no way on earth she could have known it was ME, TFM, since I was using the ip for the first time and never intend to use it again. There was no technical way to link that ip to my main account. Stop insisting it was an imposter; that's not what she said... She merely indicated that the ip address was not related to my main account which is true. -tfm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinegar and Water (talkcontribs)


See User talk:Baseball Bugs/Archive011. This edit by User talk:LouisPhilippeCharles is typical of what (s)he does. Previously this was being done for the whole page content of blocks etc. Usually when a user does this it is not a problem because an administrator can easily look at the history of the page and recreate the section or the missing information. But when incidents are buried in dozens of other edits (used to develop an article) it becomes tiresome and difficult for an administrator to look through the edit history.

Now in some cases this might be tolerable, but user:LouisPhilippeCharles is a repeat offender:

  • copy pasting pages to reverse and negate WP:RM requests, causing copyright issues that (s)he has not offered to help clean up (see Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations / LouisPhilippeCharles).
  • controversial moving pages without trying to gain consensus, and double moving some of them meaning that ordinary users can not move them back.
  • breaches of 3RR
  • Sockpuppetry

So I think that deleting and burying administrator (and other users) comments under a snow of other edits is needlessly time consuming and disruptive for other editors who are tying to sort out the various messes that LouisPhilippeCharles has created. Now that I have given him/her a process by which (s)he can do development on the page, but save it on his/her PC there is really no reason to cause further disruption for other users by placing large numbers of edits into the edit history of the talk page and there by making it difficult for other editors to see easily inter-editor communications with an editor who has a history of disruptive editing. -- PBS (talk) 10:42, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Roger. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:37, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

About User:Feast on my Soul

Hi Baseball Bugs,
I think you might have been a bit too quick to WP:ANI-ise User:Feast on my Soul. I would suggest that what the new user needed was a quiet word and a few suggestions from a highly experienced, well-regarded, and just plain awesomely awesome editor; someone like User:Baseball Bugs, for example.
--Shirt58 (talk) 11:02, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I just wanted someone to look at it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 11:37, 22 December 2010 (UTC)


fancy a discussion? (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) 02:38, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

No can do. My troll appointment calendar is booked solid. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots

I wuz wrong, you wuz wight, you wascally wabbit. Uff da!

See User talk:Feast on my Soul. Yet again, I assumed too much good faith. Apologies for this. Completely off topic but, in your comment you didn't mention how Lena and Sven might have responded. --Shirt58 (talk) 13:17, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Africa socks

After I saw DF had been blocked, I went back and looked again at the whole AfricaTruther thing from last night and I still can't figure out what was going on there. Was it a joe job against DF? Were they socks of Kiwi supporting DF? Were they Kiwi impostors instead of DF impostors? Were they socks of DF pretending to be socks of Kiwi? (DF seemed upset that people didn't "get" the socks were similar to Kiwi.) It's like a bad mystery novel. And I missed it all dicking around with copyright stuff on old images. Kelly hi! 15:35, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

One went after me - and I have never had any encounter with Kiwi at all. Which means Kiwi ought have had no reason to know I exist. Collect (talk) 16:46, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Re, Smirnoff

Re, your message, of course, feel free to! :D — dαlus+ Contribs 20:02, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

True Grit

I actually went to see the new film tonight - it was a good treatment, with some different plot points than the original. I haven't read the book so don't know which is more faithful. Kelly hi! 01:15, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

You're right - the Duke is missed very favorite was always The Cowboys. Kelly hi! 17:13, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
Totally agree with your comments about violence/pacifism...heh, you just made me think of the History & Moral Philosophy teacher in Starship Troopers (the book not the movie).
Westerns have always been a pleasure of mine. There was a long dry spell when I was a kid and it was a real pleasure when Silverado was released. You can tell any story in that framework. Though when I went to see Tron: Legacy earlier this week, I saw the trailer for Cowboys & Aliens - which may be pushing the genre a bit far. But I normally love even campy stuff like The Quick and the Dead. Kelly hi! 18:17, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

<Alert>The Quick and the Dead was atrocious, but for my money the all-time worst western was Jonah Hex, which came out not long ago. It was mesmerizingly bad.Anythingyouwant (talk) 19:28, 24 December 2010 (UTC)


I know that this is not what this is usually used for, but may I present you with this:

Minor Barnstar.png The Minor Barnstar
For removing a splinter that had plagued me, but which I just couldn't reach myself, I award you this Minor Barnstar; minor only because you probably don't realize how big a deal it was to me. HuskyHuskie (talk) 08:39, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

In case it wasn't clear, the above was for this edit. Thanks again! HuskyHuskie (talk) 08:39, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

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Help with identifying folk

You made a comment on my question on the ref desk a couple of weeks ago. The reason for asking is Tineye can't track down all the folk, but where the actual pictures were taken from I have no idea. If you have any more insight into identities, I'd love to know.

Thanks and merry christmas. -- SGBailey (talk) 22:46, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

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Steelers Edit

Thank you for the opportunity to discuss this please consider [43]. Thank you. Hholt01 (talk) 15:03, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Bugs:

Spilled Coffee (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)

This christmas I had a long, heartfelt talk with "Sandy Georgia" and some other editors on Wikipedia. We came to the conclusion that you really should refrain from posting at ANI until you can show us some real substantive contributions to the article-space. I mean, you are not an administrator, and you aren't really helping mouthing off on ANI all the time, butting in on conversations among the higher-ups into which you were neither invited nor your opinion asked. What makes it all the worse is that you spend most of your wiki time on there, and not improving the articles in any way. So re-cap, please lay off of ANI for a while, and yeah, the articles are ---------------------> That-a-way! Merry Christmas, Spilled Coffee (talk) 16:44, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Wrong. See my talk. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:51, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
There is no need to be shy, baby. That was a special time "under the tree" if you know what i'm sayin'. Spilled Coffee (talk) 16:54, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Not funny and not true, d'oh. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:56, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
I am well known for taking advice from editors who get indef'd before they reach a minion of entries. And if you believe that, I've got a used bridge to sell you. Some assembly required:[44]Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:09, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
20 minutes creation to block, I certainly didn't share any "special time under the tree" with this fellow, and I had some trees last year that also required some assembly. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:12, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Maybe he's being metaphorical, as in, "Pining for the fjords." ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:17, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
It takes a certain lack of brane to troll on such a heavily-lurked page as this one. Or "suicide by admin". PhGustaf (talk) 17:21, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Probably just looking to create some drahmaz, which might have worked except that most people know that I wouldn't send an email like that. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:25, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Maybe he just finished watching A Charlie Brown Christmas, in which Charlie Brown "thanks" Violet for the Christmas card she didn't actually send him. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:29, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

I think you-know-who is back

If these edits are any indication. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, btw. :) --Ebyabe (talk) 17:50, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

It's a Chicago-based IP. One of the references said he died "overnight", so what's needed is to find the exact TOD. We'll see. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:53, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

National Recovery Administration

I understand that Richard Armour is notable, but there's nothing there to establish the notability of his comment with regards to the subject of the article. It's not so much about him being notable, but why is important that his particular comment be included in an article about the National Recovery Administration? I don't see how it amounts to much more than trivia. Regards, CarbonX (talk) 07:25, 27 December 2010 (UTC)



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I don't know if this guideline actually says anything about sarcasm, which you obviously think is so funny and so clever, but it is nevertheless a breach. If you have something constructive to say about the recent edits to W G Grace, then lets read that instead. ----Jack | talk page 19:09, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to hear your constructive explanation of why wikipedia's "manual of style" overrides the way the man spelled his own name. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:19, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
See WP:CRIC#STYLE which has been agreed by consensus of the cricket project. Given that we have chosen to use W G Grace in the body of the articles about the Graces, that is acceptable providing we supply appropriate links to W. G. Grace, which is the title of the article per WP:MOS. Of much greater concern is your childish behaviour. Sarcasm is not funny and even less clever. It is childish. For your information, I doubt if too many editors have heard of you either. ----Jack | talk page 19:25, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm sure no one here has ever heard of me, and that's fine. I'm still waiting for an explanation of why wikipedians get to decide for that guy how his name is to be spelled. If you can't provide that info, then make like a honeybee. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:29, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
In honor of all this, you are now renamed "Beisbol (SAP)". I trust you will wear this name as proudly as the name of your own choice. :) Collect (talk) 19:36, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
Beisbol (SAP) been bery, bery bueno to me. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:41, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
Chico Escuela wants his line back. :) Anythingyouwant (talk) 19:49, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
Along with, "Thank you, Hane!" ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:52, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
You're welcome Chico :).Anythingyouwant (talk) 19:55, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
Bugs Bunny Walk of Fame 4-20-06.jpg This user is the narrator of the epic known as Wikipedia.
Jack, I am shockd that you have not heard of Bugs, as he is the narrator. --Diannaa (Talk) 21:39, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
I thought he was the carroter? Collect (talk) 22:17, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
I appreciate y'all's comments. I'm all ears. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 22:48, 27 December 2010 (UTC)


Greetings from my Linux partition :) I'll pop back over to Windows and sort the mess out later on. I don't know if it was related, but the timing was.... interesting. Anyway, thanks ;) --KägeTorä - (影虎) (TALK) 19:22, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

I have been burned by malware from unexpected places, so I'm kind of sensitive to the issue. Meanwhile, I wonder the German is for "he gawn"? Maybe er weg. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:26, 28 December 2010 (UTC)


You have gotten a response on ANI on your ill-considered and ignorant comments about Wiki_brah. see here, braho. Sharkticon Dude (talk) 00:25, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Appropriately enough, the typical brah contains nothing but boobs. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:33, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Please e-mail me

BB, please e-mail me using wikipedia e-mail. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 03:20, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

December 2010

This is your last warning; the next time you steal my humorous comeback, as you have done here, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:28, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

If you snooze, you lose. :) I have an idea, though... Add the preceding part where Ripper talks about communist infiltration, etc., just above my entry, so it will lead into it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:47, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Unfortunately for me as well, I had the same thought about 10 seconds after Bugs did. Not all of us can be as quick witted as him. As the French call it, "L'esprit de l'escalier" will have to do for the rest of us. --Jayron32 03:52, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Another suggestion would be to put him in the DeLorean and send him back to 1955, where he apparently came from. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:10, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
"Who's the president in 1985?" "Ronald Reagan." "The actor??!!!" Doc talk 08:28, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

You are my Elvis!

Thank you for saying "Spam-only and vandalism-only accounts that are registered don't require any "warnings", as they have only one purpose here, they know what that purpose is, and they should be indef'd immediately"-that sums up my whole feeling. AGF runs dry when the other party is not acting in good faith. Happy new year!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 02:07, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I second these words a thousand times over. I would add that the AGF extended these single purpose accounts is not extended to editors such as the two of you when trying to protect wikipedia from the damage that they cause. This fact has never made a lick of sense to me. Oh well, best wishes for your 2011. MarnetteD | Talk 16:51, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Thank ya vury much. Actually, I'm just quoting what a trusted admin told me long ago. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:55, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
One policy is that "AGF is not a suicide pact". I rephrase that as, "AGF, but don't be a maroon about it". PhGustaf (talk) 23:26, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

PM Sharon would be happy if Hamas killed Jews?

the beginning of the dispute, which you caught the end, was an editor on an article about Israel having made these comments, thus not being suitable for editing this subject. other editors who have made similar troubling comments came to her defense and buried the ani. now that you know the full story, do you still feel the comments are not offensive? i propose a test, use these words in a real life face to face conversation, in the same context, see if anyone is offended. Darkstar1st (talk) 16:42, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Taking words out of context is dishonest. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:54, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
I should add that we do not characterize editors as "not being suitable for editing this subject", without a topic ban imposed by ArbCom or under limited circumstances by an admin. We judge content, not contributors. All the best,--Wehwalt (talk) 17:21, 31 December 2010 (UTC)


[45] Nil Einne (talk) 20:32, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

AGF'ing-A, brother. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 21:10, 31 December 2010 (UTC)