# User talk:Bazza 7

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## ITN

Hey there, Bazza. Thought I'd give you and a few other regulars a heads up about this straw poll which concerns a possible name change for "In the news." Your feedback would be greatly appreciated. The Tom 00:37, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

## recurring decimal

Your edit suggests that you object to the phrase "infinitely many". How, then, would you rephrase the following statement?

Euclid proved that there are infinitely many prime numbers.
Euclid proved that the number of prime numbers is infinite. (Pardon my butting in). Unimaginative Username (talk) 22:35, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Michael Hardy 15:58, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

... and I suppose I should add this: when I see "repeats infinitely many times" changed to "repeats infinitely", then earlier experience causes me to fear things like "infinitely many prime numbers" changed to "infinite prime numbers", which, of course, is really horribly wrong, since no prime number is infinite. I've actually seen this happen, so maybe I'm a bit touchy after that. Michael Hardy 18:55, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

It sounds as if you read "repeats infinitely, many times", whereas it was intended as "repeats infinitely-many times". I wouldn't normally use a hyphen for such a thing, but in view of the potential misunderstanding you raise, I'm considering it. Michael Hardy 23:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Again, if the adverbial form causes the potential for confusion, use a different form: "... repeats an infinite number of times". Unimaginative Username (talk) 22:35, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

## Talk page usage

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## Parition of Ireland

Sorry, Bazza - wrote than in a bad mood. Just read over it. Was ill-tempered. --sony-youthpléigh 18:04, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

## Lough Neagh in the British Isles or not.

Hello - I see you've participated in the TalkPage discussion at Lough Neagh. I have created a table of the different contributors and their views/arguments about the geographical description to be applied. I am proposing that, if there is a clear consensus then the article is modified to reflect the consensus amongst editors. I am notifying each of the people I've identified as having been interested of this fresh opportunity to reach a consensus and settle this matter. Wikipedia has a policy on canvassing, please do not breach it with actions that are, or could be seen as being, partisan. PRtalk 07:20, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

## Windsor and Eton Diagram

As I shamelessly cribbed your plan for Windsor and Eton Central (with goods yard etc) to make a new diagram for the line I thought I would invite your comments on the work in progress which can be found here Talk:Slough to Windsor & Eton Line. Thanks and sorry for the presumption! Britmax (talk) 10:30, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

## Ireland naming dispute compromise proposal

You may be interested in an all-encompassing compromise proposal tabled in respect of the Ireland naming dispute at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(Ireland-related_articles)/Ireland_disambiguation_task_force#Appeal_for_an_all-encompassing_solution Mooretwin (talk) 12:49, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

## Zip Code Prefixes and the UK Postal Codes

Thanks on that! I was thinking of making a list of all the possible zip codes from 00000 to 99999 and the corresponding municipalities they belong to if they're being used. Is that worth it or just a waste of time? Spinach Monster (talk) 04:54, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

## Windsor Boys School

You write:

You recently unilaterally moved The Windsor Boys' School to Windsor Boys' School citing the school's web site as evidence of the name. As a governor of that school, I can vouch that the "The" is definitely part of the official name; that being the reason for my original move of the page to its correct name. Both the Local Authority responsible for the school and the Office for Standards in Education include "The". I'm open to further discussion; or will, after a while, revert this move. Bazza (talk) 14:00, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I'd suggest you put your governors hat on and have a long discussion with whoever maintains the school's web site. If an organisation cannot be bothered to maintain its own branding properly, it cannot be too upset if third parties get it wrong. If the schools name really does encompass the article, then I suggest you revert. Unfortunately there are far too many WP articles which wrongly include the article.

Incidentally, my unilateral move was entirely in line with WP's policy of being bold. There wasn't any reason, from the information I had to hand, to think this would be a contentious move, as opposed to just rectifying the consequences of an article named by an inexperienced editor. Given that, I saw no reason for me to try and build a consensus. -- Starbois (talk) 15:40, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

I've now copied this discussion to Talk:Windsor Boys' School, to make it more visible to others, and to record any eventual outcome in a public place. -- Starbois (talk) 15:57, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

## Ireland naming question

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## Thanks

Thanks for taking the time to copy edit the Vedda language article. Taprobanus (talk) 23:37, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

## Suggestions???

Hi Bazza 7, I've just launched User:Stephen2nd/Kingdom of Great Britain 1603-1714ÿ, I would be grateful for any copy-editing, or any other comments, suggestions etc, prior to it becoming a new Article? Ta Steve. Stephen2nd (talk) 18:52, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

## Caleys article

Hello, Bazza 7. When you edited Caleys the other day, were you reacting to what I had done a couple of days earlier, or was this pure coincidence? I have been talking to Pamela Marson, a Windsor local historian who worked at Caleys and has studied the Caley family, and she tells me she is very unhappy with the article on the John Lewis website. I have added a note to Sources, but would you be happy for me to remove your source, and my note of course? LynwoodF (talk) 09:48, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Hello, Bazza. Thank you for your reply. Caleys was part of my childhood and when I first saw the WP article, it was very disappointing, just some text and two tags. I recently found time to add a picture and some section headings, to give it some structure, and since then I have added some sources and expanded the lead section a little. Referencing will take a lot longer.

I, too, am very unhappy with the piece on the JL website. The early history is so inaccurate that I am loath to trust the bits I know less about. The author has jumped to naïve conclusions which are inconsistent with verifiable facts. For example, John Caley did not join the business in 1826; he was already heading it when, in 1823, it moved from Castle Street (now Castle Hill) to High Street. This is clear from an advert he placed in the Windsor Express.

There is an argument for leaving the JL website in the sources, along with the caveat. JL ought to be a prestigious source and sadly it isn't. Perhaps WP users ought to be warned! Frank. LynwoodF (talk) 11:26, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

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## Template:Heathrow rail services

You have me at a disadvantage as I am some years and a few thousand miles distant from London, but from what I recall the Bakerloo/Circle/District station was a little to the southeast of Paddington mainline (hence not a cross-platform interchange) while the H&C trains stopped at the furthermost (northern) reaches of the trainshed. And one of the sources I looked at said that the Crossrail line (will) run(s) under Eastbourne (?) Place, which appears to put it about a block away from the other platforms. Perhaps you could clarify this for me? Useddenim (talk) 00:11, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

## Programming help

Hi. I saw your computer credentials on your User page and realised that you could probably help me. Bility wrote this `.js` script for me almost two years ago (and hasn't made any contributions since), but then all of a sudden it stopped working correctly. I posted a `{{Helpme|JavaScript}}` request and Rillke wrote Commons:User scripts/BSIcon (launch directly) which had a promising start—it worked fine until the recent mucking around with Mediawiki, and now it only finds deletions, not uploads—but was never finished and now he's also incommunicado. Care to take a stab at fixing it? AlgaeGraphix (talk) 22:33, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot to add: more details are at my talk page. AlgaeGraphix (talk) 01:15, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

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## Template:Railways around London Paddington station RDT

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## "don't use images for text"

I see that you have removed {{UK road}} from a number of RDTs. I don't see how the use of that template differs from {{Rail-interchange}}, since {{UK road}} does correctly display the appropriate text as a tooltip. Useddenim (talk) 12:18, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

The Manual of Style explicitly states "Do not use images to express textual information in place of real text.". Using road number images in place of text showing those numbers contravenes this, which is why I reverted all edits made by 86.130.177.49 to change text road numbers to images. Bazza (talk) 12:24, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Yes, but we are talking about icons in infoboxes, which is a specific sub-case of MOS:IMAGES. MOS:ICON does state "Do not use icons in general article prose", but indicates "Icons may be helpful ... in a table or infobox". In the case of RDTs, space is often at a premium, and {{UK road}} does provide a quick visual indication that it is a road rather than some railway-related feature. Having said that, I have no objection if the template is re-written to use formatted text instead of images, but the problem arises that whilst most A roads are yellow on green, some are signed black on white. How would these exceptions be handled? Useddenim (talk) 12:43, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
These icons are commonly used all over the place, they're pretty standard. -mattbuck (Talk) 14:20, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
These are railway diagrams, not specifications of the signage on roads which may pass over or under railways. The fact that it is a road rather than railway, canal or other feature is indicated in the actual diagram itself. Additionally, I found those icons at the size used less than legible for some road numbers; the properties of the images themselves suggests that most usage is at a larger size. As the MoS states, using icons in place of text in the accompanying diagram text frustrates Wikipedia's indexing tools used for searching. For your information, most A roads in the UK are signed black on white; yellow on green is reserved for primary routes which are a minority of A roads. Out of interest, do you know what 86.130.177.49's motive was for using these icons on such a large number of articles at once (and was the edit which inserted them automated)? Bazza (talk) 14:39, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure what the point of indexing an RDT is. The diagrammes are an adjunct to the article. I guess in my travels I've stuck to the major A roads. And I have no idea about 86.130.177.49. Useddenim (talk) 18:52, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. Looks like 86.130.177.49 is reverting the some undos continuing the exercise anyway. I don't have time at the moment to pursue this further, but I still maintain it's an unnecessary development. Bazza (talk) 18:55, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
I generally don't see the point of roads on RDTs anyway, unless they are somehow relevant to the line itself. Merely crossing one is not notable generally. -mattbuck (Talk) 20:41, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

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## What level are you?

I found your name at Category:User js (probably because you posted the corresponding userbox on your user page), in the level-unspecified list of JavaScript programmers.

I was wondering how experienced you are at JavaScript, and whether you might be interested in getting involved with developing user scripts, hobnobbing with other JavaScript programmers, and organizing and improving JavaScript articles and support pages.

We do all of that and more at the JavaScript WikiProject.

Scripts undergoing development, and the state of JavaScript on Wikipedia, are discussed on the talk page.

For an overview of JavaScript coverage on Wikipedia, see Draft:Outline of JavaScript and Index of JavaScript-related articles. For everything on user scripts, see User:The Transhumanist/Outline of scripts.

The WikiProject also organizes every resource it can find about JavaScript out there, such as articles, books, tutorials, etc. See our growing Reference library. If you know of any good ones, please add them.

If you would like to join the JavaScript WikiProject, feel free to add your name to the participants list.

Hope to see you there! The Transhumanist 17:00, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

## Staines and West Drayton Railway template

I wonder if you can help update the template (or know someone who can)?

It currently shows the Oil Terminal as a non-passenger stop on the line into Staines West. In actual fact, it was on a branch off the main line to the station (see the old OS maps on this page: http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/s/staines_west/index.shtml. The oil terminal was built on the site of the goods area).

I've been able to update the template with bridges by copying and pasting but inserting a new branch is a bit beyond my capabilities!

The change would also have to be reflected in the template for the Staines to Windsor Line.

TIA.

Barry Wom (talk) 12:14, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Done. Also, please note that dates are generally not included on route diagrams when that information is in the (linked) article. And, unl;ess a station has been re-sited, the name shown is that used at closing. Useddenim (talk) 14:43, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

## Don't panic, it's not about you

A disciplinary discussion in which you may become involved, or may wish to comment, is at WP:ANI here regarding possible disciplinary action against User:The Banner for edit warring at Peacock Alley (restaurant). Akld guy (talk) 01:12, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

The only thing is that he misrepresents your stance, by claiming you said anything about "defunct restaurant" while you were responding on "former restaurant". 02:10, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
@User:The Banner I can't see anything above about what I may or may not have said, nor any representation about any stand I may or may not have had. I can offer support to you by suggesting that calming down and reading what people write before responding is often a good way of working. Bazza (talk) 10:00, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
By now, the block attempt of Akld guy has failed. By and large, he got explained that my understanding of "defunct restaurant" was correct and his not. So I have put a polite request on the Language page to restore the "defunct restaurant"-phrase but I am afraid Akld guy and Marrakech will ignore that. 10:11, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
@User:The Banner I have seen that. My view is that "defunct" does not fulfil the Wikipedia requirement for using common terms. Nobody I know would say that "Peacock Alley is a defunct restaurant in...", or "I see that Peacock Alley is defunct." They would say "Peacock Alley was a restaurant in...", or "Peacock Alley was/is a former restaurant in..." ("was" if the building of that name no longer exists, otherwise "is"); or "I see that Peacock Alley has closed/shut/ceased trading." I know you claim to be an excellent speaker of English, but the introduction on your User Page has a number of English grammar errors in it. I recommend you quietly and gracefully allow others, including me, to make changes to articles where the wording is less than optimal. Bazza (talk) 10:40, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
I my English is not excellent but not half as rotten as A and M claim. And why should you "correct" something that is not wrong? Spoken language is often different from written language. 12:33, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
The Banner, since you ask Bazza 7 the rhetorical question "why should you "correct" something that is not wrong?" I would like to point out that the broadly supported 'was a restaurant' version actually preceded your contested 'is a defunct restaurant' phrasing. So by your own logic, why did you correct something that wasn't wrong? Marrakech (talk) 13:28, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, I can not help to notice this edit. You know, your edit correcting something what was incorrect that started all the misery. 13:37, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
But how on earth can rectifying something that was indeed incorrect (everybody agrees that 'X is a former restaurant' is incorrect insofar as it doesn't convey the intended meaning) be wrong? Marrakech (talk) 13:46, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
@User:Marrakech @User:The Banner Fascinating though this continuing argument is, here is not the place to have it. If you want to retain (or add to) the above then copy it to the Language Reference desk, where it started; or, better still, the article's talk page. I will remove the paragraphs above relating to the discussion in a couple of days.
Done, copied it to the article's talk page. Marrakech (talk) 17:28, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Could you please point out what the grammar mistakes on my user page are? I am not unwilling to improve things. 13:37, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Made improvements. 08:21, 21 July 2017 (UTC)