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Archive 5

July 2008 - December 2008

Umar ibn Hafsun

I would appreciate your input concerning the removal of copyright-violating material from the article. I have already excised significant parts of it, but there is one remaining issue where someone appears to have copied from someone, and it would be helpful if this could be set straight before repairing the article. See Talk:Umar ibn Hafsun. Agricolae (talk) 19:00, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Earthquakes

I noticed you made several posts on our talk page. Would you like to join? If so, please feel free to click here. Thanks. —Sunday Scribe 20:10, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Stage (stratigraphy)

Nice work on the rewrite of the Stage (stratigraphy) article. I was just wondering how to seriously approach it, when your edit did it all. I have added a little more to the definition section which I think provides a nice lead-in to the "International standardization" section. Again, really nice job! --Bejnar (talk) 21:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, and thank you as well for your clarification on the term "faunal stage". This article and the related geologic time articles were rather fuzzy, and I'm not a professional in the field. -- Beland (talk) 22:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

History of Gilgit

replied at Talk:Gilgit#History TopoCode (talk) 00:11, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

The Living Word Fellowship

What you are saying makes sense, but I'm still wondering whether The Living Word Fellowship is notable. It's a small group of churches, and I don't think that every church needs its own Wikipedia article. I think that a lot of the attention this article is getting is due to confusing it with Bobbi's movement. I'm also concerned that the only third-party source that seems usable to me is "Another Gospel," which looks at certain religions or denominations in the context of how they compare to mainstream Christianity. My concern is that this one source does not constitute enough information for an accurate and neutral article. But all that aside, disambiguation would be great. Jeremiah (talk) 21:50, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


Hi Bejnar. I just saw your edit in the article Qizilbash. The word "extremist" is actually directly taken from the Encyclopaedia of Islam. The article is written by Roger M. Savory (the most important scholar on Safavid history), and this is what the first sentense of the article says: [1] (screen shot) I can send you the entire article (PDF) if you want. Cheers. Tājik (talk) 23:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

OK, thank you. Please feel free to comment or correct the article. Improvement is needed, especially in the history section. Tājik (talk) 23:46, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I think the current version is OK. Actually, I just thought that we should stick to the Encyclopaedia of Islam, but it's not a big deal. The only important thing is to mention the term ghulat, because the Qizilbash doctrines were generally anti-orthodox and were seen as such by both, Sunni and Shi'i scholars. Tājik (talk) 23:59, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Mike Flicker

Hi. I'm glad you have recently edited this article. I have problems with the article - none of the claims it makes are supported with any independent evidence or citations. The only information I can find is on the Mike Flicker website. (Hardly what you would call an independent source!) Do you have access to some other sources of information? For example, I'm not surprised to see someone say "Mushroom Studios was not designed and built by Mike Flicker", but on what information do you base that statement? Similarly, I have not been able to find anything about his birthplace. What leads you to think he may have been born in Seattle? (I'm hoping you have access to a large cache of information I haven't been able to find!) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 09:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I have listed what I know about sources on Mike Flicker, as of this point, in a number of comments at the talk page. I do not have a copy of Brown's Heart: In Studio. I have not searched Variety for information about him, they are usually puff pieces anyway. --Bejnar (talk) 20:10, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey, this is really good stuff! It should also be useful for the Heart, Wilsons and Fishers pages too. (It's really hard to find anything on Mike Fisher). Many thanks. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 07:53, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup templates

Just to let you know that most cleanup templates, like "{{Unreferenced}}", "{{Fact}}" and , "{{POV-check}}" etc., are best not "subst"ed . See WP:SUBST for more details. Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 22:10 23 October 2008 (UTC).

Annoyingly I can't identify the article. Probably it was deleted. The problem with substing these templates is 0. The substed version is hard to read. 1. the categories get sorted to the end by various automated processes, 2. It is next to impossible to date them, 3. when someone de-subst's them , any customisation will be lost. Rich Farmbrough, 01:35 26 October 2008 (UTC).
That's why I don't do it, and just use a changed version of the text in the rare cases that the template boilerplate is misleading in actual usage. --Bejnar (talk) 04:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

John N. Dempsey

I moce the page over the redirect at your suggestion. Seems like the best way forward. I suggest pointing John Demspey (politician) to the main disambig page but am comofrtable leaviung the matter in your hands. Eluchil404 (talk) 23:06, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Page moves

Hii Bejnar - I've left a fairly hefty warning on Garliyev's user talk page, though I doubt it will do much good. He or she is not instantly blockable for breaking guidelines at the moment, since there's clearly no vandalous intent, but if s/he continues to move pages now that the warning is in place it may well become a blockable offence. It's a little heavy handed, but the lack of any attempt by Garliyev to communicate to others on user talk pages, and only one message on an article's talk page, there aren't that many other options. The other thing that could be done is to start a RfC process (though have a look at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution and Wikipedia:Disruptive editing to make sure there's nothing I've missed there - this isn't part of admin work I do very often). Let me know if the problems continue. Grutness...wha? 23:33, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Hotaki dynasty

Hi Bejnar. I just saw that you replaced the template. I do not think that the template "History of Afghanistan" is the better choice. First of all, Afghanistan did not even exist at that time, but was created some 30 years later. Secondly, Mir Mahmoud Hotaki and Ashraf Khan Hotaki officially ruled as "Kings of Iran", based in Isfahan - as such, they are in the line of Kings of the Persian Empire and were regarded as Kings of Persia by contemporary rulers, such as the Ottoman Sultans who were at war with them, or the Russian Tsars (battle of Caucasia and Azerbaijan). Although the reign of the Hotaki was short (ca. 7 years), in that preiod, they officially held all powers of previous kings.

That's why I think that the template "History of Greater Iran" is much more appropriate, because it covers the history of the entire region and puts the Hotaki to the historical position they deserve: Kings of Persia. It is wrong to assume that the Hotaki were merely a "regional uprising". Their ascent to power was no different from that of their successors, the Turkmen Afsharids. They are as much part of the history of Iran, as they are part of the history of Afghanistan (which was created 2 decades after the fall of the Hotakis).

The separate history of Iran, Afghanistan, and Caucasia started after the fall of the Afsharids, and the rise of the Durranis, Qajars, and Zands.

In your edit, you advised to read the discussion. But there was no note justifying your edit.

Cheers. Tājik (talk) 12:54, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

By the way, here is small extract from the Encyclopaedia Iranica:
"... Ashraf's reign of little more than four years was almost wholly occupied with fighting against various external and internal adversaries. He was at war successively with Ottoman Turkey and Russia, the two powers which had taken advantage of Iran's decadence to annex de facto a large number of frontier districts. Posing as the legitimate inheritor of the Iranian throne, Ashraf demanded restitution of all the annexed territories. The Ottomans took offence at this arrogance, as they saw it, and proceeded to sever relations and open hostilities in Azerbaijan in the spring of 1138/1726. Since one of their declared war aims was to restore the Safavids as a client dynasty, Ashraf's first response was to put Sultan Hosayn, who was living in captivity at Isfahan, to death in the autumn of 1139/1726. Then, after strengthening the city's fortifications, he marched out to meet Turkish troops and defeated them at Khorramabad, south of Hamadan, on 25 Rabia I 1139/20 November 1726. The Afghan victory over a greatly superior military opponent was largely due to infiltration of the Ottoman ranks by agents provocateurs who emphasized the common Sunni faith of the Turks and the Afghans, deplored the fratricidal war between them, and advocated alliance against their common enemies, the heretical Iranians; this adroit tactic sapped the morale of the Turkish troops and procured the defection of the Kurdish cavalry. ..." Iranica
If you look at the discussion page you will find a whole RFC about this issue. I don't see how you can say "But there was no note justifying your edit." --Bejnar (talk) 16:45, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


The article says: "Each yekyua is associated with a particular animal, and they act as familiars for the Yakut shaman." The shaman presumably deals with healing sometimes and his familiars help him in his life at least. Ergo, the article is connected to healers and a system of healing which is not the western mainstream, but another culture's attempts at medicine. Everything in Category:Alternative medicine and its subcategories such as Category:Shamanism (within reason) I am tagging with the wikiproject alternative medicine banner and a rating. It could be worse- some projects leave this to a bot lol. It does no harm to have the project banner there, it merely draws more people to work on the article, as wikiproject members are made more aware of the article. A lot of traditional medicine articles are in Category:Alternative medicine and I feel somewhat embarrassed tagging them. Do you think the project should be renamed "wikiproject alternative and traditional medicine"? I almost proposed this on the project's page today. Not very catchy I know lol but I expect we have longer-named wikiprojects.:) Sticky Parkin 03:21, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

The familiars are presumably used by the shaman so they have something to do with healing? If it isn't mentioned in the article and it should be, it may be because it's a stub and incomplete. Wikipedia is not complete- that's why we aren't used as a source for our own articles. I'll fix it- you see this is why having the banner there is useful.:) Sticky Parkin 03:37, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
People in projects may focus on what they like and some may have a different focus from other members of the project. Focussing just on core articles would mean stubs always stay stubs.(which is usually what happens). People in Wikipedia:Wikiproject Alternative medicine have an interest in shamanism as a whole so they will help out with articles on it whether they are directly about healing or not- because they like shamans and many of them may have studied them academically. Don't 'misunderestimate' the level of scholarship in wikiproject alt med. Without his protective spirit, the shaman would be dead- he wouldn't be able to directly do as much healing work then, would he?:) There you are I've just researched this and added several refs and a fair bit of info (considering it's 4am here.) So you got the article improved a lot by having wikiproject alt med involved. Many articles fall under several wikiprojects. This is about shamanism so wikiproject alt med will be interested in it whether it's directly about healing or not as they are interested in shamans (some may well identify as shamans and believe they have familiar spirits themselves) and have something to contribute to the article (as I've just demonstrated I hope :) ) Any further objections to having someone add refs and content to the article, just because they happened to land there through wikiproject alt med? :) If so I'd have to question why. Would a change to the project's name help? Would you feel the same way if a wikiproject on Traditional Medicine wanted to help with the article? Wikiproject alt med includes people trained in traditional medicine, I think. Sticky Parkin 04:33, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Glenrio map

Nice map of Glenrio that you found! Is it online, or did you scan a printed map? Nyttend (talk) 19:05, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Editing Dr. Ng's page

Dear Bejnar, I've worked in his group and know more intimately his various roles; changed text slightly but preserved your spirit. But I had to take away the word "significantly", because he has not yet achieved the highest honour of NASA Distinguished Service Medal and/or the Space Technology Hall of Fame. Hope that he'll get there someday. So far his contributions have been more in variety, and not in a one or two punches. Thanks. Kgwu24 (talk) 16:32, 15 November 2008 (UTC)kgwu24


Hi, Bejnar! As per WP:SETINDEX, a set index article is "a list article about a set of items of a specific type that share the same (or similar) name". The items on the Vyatsky page are all inhabited localities in Russia, sharing the same name, hence the page meets the definition. Note that WP:SETINDEX does not call for the set indices to meet any additional requirements beyond these two. The implementation of the set indices (including further refinement of their definition) is up to the WikiProjects under scope of which these sets fall. WP:RUSSIA's preference is to treat pages containing lists of localities sharing the same name as sets, because the project's flow benefits from having orphaned red-linked items on such pages—something MOSDAB explicitly prohibits. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 21:26, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Bejnar, I appreciate what you are trying to say, but, having spent countless hours trying to make this exact same point heard (and understood), I have no desire whatsoever to fight the ridiculous MOSDAB bureaucracy which we've built any further. I have a huge project to work on (Russia is big), and it seems that MOSDAB/SIA/whateverbiguation crap keeps holding me back at every step. If WP:SETINDEX says there are two requirements for any given set, that's what I am going to work on. If you submit the geodis exception formalization request to WP:DAB, I assure you you'll have my wholehearted support, but in the meanwhile I just want to be able to do actual work. Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 22:01, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Jornada del Muerto

'Jornada' would be archaic if it was no longer in use, which is not the case. It has certainly not "vanished from modern Spanish usage": it still exists and keeps the same meaning as in the 1700s. Regards. --Will vm (talk) 10:23, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Does the word jornada in modern Spanish have a connotation of ruta? --Bejnar (talk) 16:14, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Yes, it does: [2]:
3. f. Camino que se anda regularmente en un día de viaje. (Route regularly walked in a single day of journey).
4. f. Camino o viaje, aunque pase de un día. (Route or journey, even when it takes longer than a day).
--Will vm (talk) 16:38, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Bejnar, a jornada is a particularly hard day's travel, usually due to the complete lack of water along the way. Thus when traveling on foot or with animals on foot it is very important to make the distance in one day, so livestock and people can drink before too many hours have passed. Making the same distance in two days would significantly increase the physiological stress and risk of death. --Una Smith (talk) 16:19, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:German conquistadores

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Category:German conquistadores, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Cgingold (talk) 13:02, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


Hi Bejnar. On Talk:NLF you agreed with Sam5 but in light of new information Sam5 has changed their opinion. Take another look? --Una Smith (talk) 16:08, 14 December 2008 (UTC)


This discussion in which you participated has been closed. One of the editors has asked that you help do the split of one of the existing categories. See the closed discussion for the details of the request. Thanks. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:37, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Geobox - Province

I've made a suggestion re your question about renaming state to province at Template_talk:Geobox#Province.--papageno (talk) 04:33, 19 December 2008 (UTC)