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Link salience[edit]

Well now I've revisited your long posts at MOSLINK, I realise I got the message completely wrong. I largely do agree with what you're saying. Tony (talk) 15:23, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Glad to hear it. I figured it was most likely a misunderstanding, due to my long-winded first attempt at explaining the idea. —Ben Kovitz (talk) 16:36, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Could you take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Linking#What_generally_should_not_be_linked_--_can_we_bring_this_to_closure.3F
The "one link" rule/enforcement has gotten out of hand, I'm trying to get something closer to rationality. You seem to be one of the people that has a middle view, and I'm trying to turn a paragraph that states one end of the spectrum into something nearer the balance point. Thanks Boundlessly (talk) 21:38, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

You're invited: San Francisco WikiWomen's Edit-a-Thon 2![edit]

San Francisco WikiWomen's Edit-a-Thon 2! You are invited!
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The San Francisco WikiWomen's Edit-a-Thon 2 will be held on Saturday, June 16, 2012 at the Wikimedia Foundation offices in San Francisco. Wikipedians of all experience levels are welcome to join us! This event will be specifically geared around encouraging women to learn how to edit and contribute to Wikipedia. Workshops on copy-editing, article creation, and sourcing will be hosted. Bring a friend! Come one, come all!
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San Francisco Wiknic 2012[edit]

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You are invited to the second Great American Wikinic taking place in Golden Gate Park, in San Francisco, on Saturday, June 23, 2012. We're still looking for input on planning activities, and thematic overtones. List your add yourself to the attendees list, and edit the picnic as you like. Max Klein {chat} 18:35, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
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List of scientific constants named after people[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of scientific constants named after people#Notability. 786b6364 (talk) 16:25, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Wikinic - last minute planning[edit]

The Wiknic is nearly upon us! We need to figure out who can bring different food items; please reply at Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Evansville/Wiknic/2012#Food. Thanks! Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 22:52, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

How much time will you have on Saturday? I need to get a few photos near Hovey Lake in Point Township, and after we're done I'm looking to get some photos down by Henderson, but if you're willing to go along I'll be happy to take you. Of course I'll not ask gas money for anything except the trip to Evansville and back. Nyttend (talk) 00:41, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
I got a note today from Vmenkov, asking about carpooling also. This makes me more flexible, since I don't want to leave two people behind — I really need the photo out by Hovey Lake, but Henderson is becoming more and more droppable. Nyttend backup (talk) 14:37, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Sorry to keep piling on the questions; I got another note from Vmenkov, saying that he'd be willing to come to wherever you'd like to meet. What would be a convenient place for us to meet? Nyttend (talk) 19:17, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Hoping this will be my last note and that I'll not need to pile on more questions. I'll be working at Liberian Collections on Friday, both morning and afternoon; if you'd like, I'll be able to log out of working to chat about Saturday's schedule for a bit. Nyttend (talk) 21:22, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Nyttend, I'd love to accompany you on your photo shoot. I might even learn something. As for where to meet, I'm happy to come by CRCC. Or, it might be simplest to just pick up me and Vmenkov on your way to the picnic. I'll be at CRCC a little later this afternoon (next door to the Liberian collection), so we can talk in person. —Ben Kovitz (talk)

Check your email for details. Nyttend (talk) 20:21, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Homeopathy: relevance of MEDRS guidelines[edit]

Hello, I felt these remarks were relevant. But I didn't want to stoke any flames. Regards, —MistyMorn (talk) 05:41, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing out the most specific and relevant guidelines, MistyMorn. Hopefully that clarifies the matter better than my comment. And thanks for not stoking any flames! On Talk:Homeopathy, I've seen a lot of conversation of the form, "These (meta-)studies say such-and-such, and the article should address that," answered by "The rules say such-and-such, therefore you must back down" and taunting, over and over. I'm hoping that asking Alice1818 to explicitly address the relative weights to be given to different research might end the back-and-forth citing of rules and opposing research. Maybe it will even lead to new, good content for the article (though the article's coverage of homeopathy research already appears to me quite good). —Ben Kovitz (talk) 09:44, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
FWIW, she "listened" to our posts about as much as she did to yours. Over the distance, trying to reason with her about evaluation of efficacy was extenuating (like... "how did I get to be here?"). I tried to remain reasonably civil and polite, but I'm glad she is indefinitely blocked and I really hope she doesn't come back. Attitudes like that are damaging to Wikipedia.

Yes, the article did need some updating. I think the most important update was inclusion of Ernst 2010, which I have now seen to. Honestly, I don't see any reason to go into greater detail regarding individual studies, a step which I don't think would be in the spirit of WP:MEDRS. Clear explanation of the role of publication bias (and how it can be detected) seems to me more relevant. Regards, —MistyMorn (talk) 21:29, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for making the updates, MistyMorn. I think a historical summary of the research is clearest, and I just looked at Ernst 2010; it does indeed look like an excellent secondary source. About details regarding individual studies, I'm thinking that most people find abstract discussions of bias unconvincing because they don't understand them. A concrete description of specifically what facts led people to their current assessment of a theory is often much more enlightening. It's the difference between hearing just a courtroom verdict + arguments that trials are usually fair vs. hearing the verdict + a summary of the evidence. Such an approach should satisfy the pro-homeopathy crowd, since their favorite studies would be described. And it should satisfy the anti-homeopathy crowd, since the basis for rejecting those studies' results would also be clearly explained—factually, neutrally, without taking a side in the controversy. I suppose the burden falls on me, though, to write something up in this manner and see if it does justice to current leading sources and is clearer. I'll need to become more familiar with the leading sources before I can attempt that myself (hence my lazy attempts to nudge other people into doing it).
Regarding Alice1818, indeed she kept re-raising old arguments. I think the way some other editors handled it was appalling, though. Humiliation is not the wiki way. —Ben Kovitz (talk) 22:19, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
As regards evidence of efficacy, the Ernst 2010 review is useful as it's actually very useful as it's basically a very simple paper which conveniently summarizes the conclusions of all the "best evidence" Cochrane reviews (systematic reviews of randomized controlled trials which have to follow an extremely rigorous methodology, and eventually only extract evidence from really high quality trials). Beyond citing the conclusions of systematic reviews and meta-analyses, I really wouldn't know how to explain further without invoking the concept of publication bias. Put simply, studies with negative results (ie providing no evidence of efficacy) are less likely to be published, which tends to give a false overall impression that a treatment has an effect. This well known problem of meta-analysis can be investigated using a statistical technique called a funnel plot. Another key issue regards discrepancies in results between randomized controlled trials that are methodologically sound and those that are poorly designed or conducted and are undersized. Such discrepancies can be studied using a technique called sensitivity analysis. Here, it turns out that it was the poor quality studies that tended to provide the positive results, providing apparent evidence of efficacy.

Not terribly complex to explain really, when one's got wikilinks to help... Maybe, a newspaper article by Ben Goldacre could indeed be a key source to sketch a layman's explanation. —MistyMorn (talk) 23:18, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for adjusting that subtitle. I agree it's much better like that. As you'll have noticed, I've briefly outlined on the Talk page some ways in which I'd like to try to clarify the Evidence section. As you've seen, I've already made a start in the last couple of days. My medium-term aim would be to achieve a better structured discussion to address the key questions clearly, to allow lay readers to understand the reasons for the mainstream scientific consensus about efficacy (perhaps the most difficult part to explain because of the methodological issues). While I do try to combine terminological correctness with clarity, I'm not used to writing for a general readership. So, I find feedback on anything that isn't quite clear really useful. Cheers, —MistyMorn (talk) 17:24, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Welcome back Ben. I saw your message and will reply soonish. Thanks, —MistyMorn (talk) 15:23, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

I fully agree on the importance of clarifying the explanation in the lead. Readers need to be able to grasp the "why". However it's no easy task to make a plain English explanation of such matters which is genuinely encyclopedic rather than an oversimplification. 2c, —MistyMorn (talk) 14:50, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

You're invited! - Wiki Loves Monuments - San Francisco Events[edit]

Palace of Fine Arts in San Francisco

Hi! As part of Wiki Loves Monuments, we're organizing two photo events in the San Francisco Bay Area and one in Yosemite National Park. We hope you can come out and participate! Feel free to contact User:Almonroth with questions or concerns.

There are three events planned:

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Mathematics[edit]

I made a small reply to you in the Talk:Mathematics page. Marvin Ray Burns (talk) 01:26, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Bloomington meetup[edit]

Don't know if you heard, but the library school's Society of American Archivists student chapter is putting on a meetup on Saturday. There's not a ton of space at the venue (University Archives, fourth floor of Wells Library), so if you're interested, you should contact Brimarshall, the organiser. If you want to send Brimarshall an email directly instead of through the email service, let me know and I'll forward you the email that went put on the library school listserv. Nyttend (talk) 04:08, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Oops, never mind: Brimarshall hasn't enabled Special:EmailUser. Just leave me a note if you're interested in seeing the listserv email. Nyttend (talk) 04:11, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Sorry I missed this! Grad-school shuffle… I hope to attend the next one. —Ben Kovitz (talk) 08:01, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Rising for Ten Commandments[edit]

The article stated baldly that "Ashkenazim" rise while "Sephardim" don't. In my personal experience, the Spanish and Portuguese congregations in London do. I therefore toned down the claim so as not to imply that all Sephardim are the same. If you want a source on the details, the best bet would probably be Gaguine's Keter Shem Tob, which compares the different Sephardic traditions. --Sir Myles na Gopaleen (the da) (talk) 09:15, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Homeopathy[edit]

Ben, Regarding -Sentence added to 4th paragraph of lead. I was re-reading your original comment and noticed that somehow I missed the original meaning. I completely agree that the sentence re-added should be removed. Don't know how I missed that. Good work on the rewording we discussed. --Daffydavid (talk) 22:19, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a second look and letting me know! See you on the talk page… —Ben Kovitz (talk) 23:00, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

You're invited! Ada Lovelace Day San Francisco[edit]

You're invited! Ada Lovelace Day San Francisco[edit]

October 16 - Ada Lovelace Day Celebration - You are invited!
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Come celebrate Ada Lovelace Day at the Wikimedia Foundation offices in San Francisco on October 16! This event, hosted by the Ada Initiative, the Mozilla Foundation, and the Wikimedia Foundation. It'll be a meet up style event, though you are welcome to bring a laptop and edit about women in STEM if you wish. Come mix, mingle and celebrate the legacy of the world's first computer programmer.

The event is October 16, 5:00 pm - 8:00 pm, everyone is welcome!

You must RSVP here - see you there!
SarahStierch (talk) 19:53, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit-a-thon tomorrow (Saturday) in Oakland[edit]

Hi, I hope you will be joining us tomorrow afternoon at the Edit-a-thon at Tech Liminal, in Oakland. We'll be working on articles relating to women and democracy (and anything else that interests you). It's sponsored by the California League of Women Voters, Tech Liminal, and me.

If this is the first you are hearing of this event, my apologies for the last-minute notice! I announced it on the San Francisco email list and by a banner on your watchlist, but I neglected to look at the San Francisco invitation list until this evening. If you can't make it this time, I hope to see you at a similar event soon! -Pete (talk) 04:40, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Great American Wiknic[edit]

Hi! It's that time of year again-- this year's Wiknic will be held in Bloomington. We're still in the initial planning stages. Hope to see you in June! Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 21:12, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Maize vs Corn[edit]

Hello BenKovitz, I see you opened the talk page up on the Maize page to arguments from both sides. I'm not sure if anything has been done about it, but it seems that the Corn side has many more and better arguments. Since you seemed to be in charge, could you take another look at it? Shicoco (talk) 14:27, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, Shicoco. I'll check it out. BTW, I'm not in charge, I just set aside one section to summarize old arguments about the name of the page, so people wouldn't have to repeat them or say "go look in the archives; this has all been discussed before". This is Wikipedia—no one's in charge here! —Ben Kovitz (talk) 00:46, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
I just sorted through all the new arguments. I agree with you that the "pre-19th century usage" argument was irrelevant. It should not be listed among the leading arguments. It still seems to me that most of the pro-corn arguments have been solidly refuted by the objections. The one argument that hasn't—that maize is less well-known than corn—seems quite a bit weaker to me than the only real pro-maize argument, which is that it's the unambiguous, formal, vernacular word for the plant that has the same meaning in all regional varieties of English, and is common in international usage, while corn has a peculiarly complex ambiguity that varies by locality. This view has achieved a pretty strong consensus among editors who work on Maize. If you have something new to add, don't let that stop you, of course. BTW, contrary to what I said above, I guess I am in charge of the Summary of arguments section. At least, I started it, and I seem to have volunteered to curate it. —Ben Kovitz (talk) 03:33, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Well now, in fact maize does not have the same meaning in all regional varieties. In American English, exclusive of certain specialized publications, maize means specifically "Indian corn"; that is, the hard-shelled decorative variety with brightly colored kernels. --Trovatore (talk) 04:38, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Well, who knows, this might the be the fact that sways the consensus. The OED says that maize in North American usage means corn in the ordinary sense, my American Heritage dictionary says that maize means corn in the ordinary sense, and Merriam Webster makes maize a synonym for Indian corn, where the first sense given is ordinary American corn and the third sense is the decorative variety. Well, my American Heritage dictionary is from 1976, so maybe that no longer counts. What source are you getting your version from? If you have a credible, conflicting source, it might be worth starting yet another discussion about this at Talk:Maize. —Ben Kovitz (talk) 08:08, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Wiknic 2013[edit]

Wiknic 2013
Sunday, June 23rd · 12:34pm · Lake Merritt, Oakland
Theme: Hyperlocal list-making
Lake Merritt Wild Duck Refuge (Oakland, CA)

This year's 2013 SF Wiknik will be held at Lake Merritt, next to Children's Fairyland in Oakland. This event will be co-attended by people from the hyperlocal Oakland Wiki. May crosspollination of ideas and merriment abound!

Location and Directions[edit]

  • Location: The grassy area due south of Children's Fairyland (here) (Oakland Wiki)
    • Nearest BART: 19th Street
    • Nearest bus lines: NL/12/72
    • Street parking abounds
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You're invited...[edit]

to two upcoming Bay Area events:

  • Maker Faire 2013, Sat/Sun May 18-19, San Mateo -- there will have a booth about Wikimedia, and we need volunteers to talk to the public and ideas for the booth -- see the wiki page to sign up!
  • Edit-a-Thon 5, Sat May 25, 10-2pm, WMF offices in San Francisco -- this will be a casual edit-a-thon open to both experienced and new editors alike! Please sign up if on the wiki page if you can make it so we know how much food to get.

I hope you can join us at one or both! -- phoebe / (talk to me) 18:51, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to join the Ten Year Society[edit]

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Dear Ben,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Ten Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for ten years or more.

Best regards, — Scott talk 12:57, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Sure! I've never been a heavy editor, but I just checked, and I see that indeed I've been trickling in about 18 edits a month since 2003. —Ben Kovitz (talk) 13:53, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Soylent[edit]

I think the sentence "Soylent has not been scientifically tested and is potentially dangerous" is an unnecessarily harsh statement, which is only an opinion expressed by the news article writer, not necessarily a medical experts opinion. I think people are confusing the use of this as a dietary supplement with its use as a sole food, which of course he is promoting, but which is really the only way it can be harmful, and since its not medically tested, no doctor on earth would recommend it as a sole food, just like no doctor would recommend flax oil as a sole food. other than that, not sure what else.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 07:12, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

A pleasure meeting you[edit]

A great chance encounter at an unlikely place. Good luck with your dissertation! NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 02:30, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

It was a pleasure meeting you, too! I'm browsing about Chaco culture and the Harry S "No Consensus" Truman National Historic Site right now. BTW, I met User:Awadewit in the Kroger's parking lot in the same way, except she was the one wearing a Wikipedia jacket and I was the one who asked if she edited Wikipedia. —Ben Kovitz (talk) 16:16, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

WP:No personal attacks[edit]

Just letting you know I've reverted your addition to this policy. I recommend seeking consensus first. –Roscelese (talkcontribs) 21:39, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I just responded at WT:No personal attacks#Belittling competence. —Ben Kovitz (talk) 23:43, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
With the exception of an obvious punctuation or spelling mistake or the like, I never edit Wikipedia policy without discussion and consensus. Wikipedia editors/admins/etc rely on these documents as stable works of reference which guide our actions. New editors use them to learn how Wikipedia works. These documents are so critical, that no change should ever be taken lightly or made unilaterally. Thanks. Regards. Taroaldo 00:34, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know your concerns, Taroaldo. I thought I was filling in an obvious omission, reflecting common understanding among skilled editors per WP:PGCHANGE, but clearly I was wrong and got reverted. I hope the discussion leads to better-targeted wording than I was able to write on my own. —Ben Kovitz (talk) 03:14, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Rockshelters[edit]

Can't remember if it were to you or to Rob whom I was mentioning this today, so leaving the same message for both of you. Rockhouse Cliffs Rockshelters is the rockshelter site in question; as you can see from File:Rockhouse Hollow shelter with human for scale, interior.jpg, its ceiling is several times the height of a person, and it's quite the impressive sight when you come around the corner and observe it for the first time. Thanks for participating in the meetup! Nyttend (talk) 06:37, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Encyclopedia[edit]

This may sounds wrong to you, and please see the talk to find what section of the source supports this, ... but please restore the info.

Talk:Encyclopedia/Archive 1#Info_removed.2C_please_restore.3B_General_encyclopedias

--J. D. Redding 20:06, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Response to my query on Paid Editing[edit]

Thank you for your insightful responses to my question regarding paid editing. I hope you would not mind if I quoted you in my sure-to-be-published-nationwide-first-year-English-class paper. ; ) If you do mind, let me know on my talk page. Thanks Pugsly8000 (talk) 00:32, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Sure, feel free to quote. BTW, if you're super-new here, these pages might provide some further insight into the shared values on Wikipedia: WP:V(relating to knowledge being accessible and verifiable by anyone, not just experts); WP:NPOV, WP:FRINGE, WP:OR (relating to respect for scholarly expertise); WP:BRD, WP:BOLD, WP:CONS, WP:AGF (relating to unilateral action and cooperation); WP:NOT (what belongs on Wikipedia and what doesn't). There are plenty more shared values, of course, many of which are not documented anywhere, but these are probably most relevant to opinions about paid editing. One of those is surely "the right to disagree about anything", including all the shared values I just listed. Good luck getting your school paper published! :) Are you a grad student in English? —Ben Kovitz (talk) 22:00, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Trying it your way too![edit]

Hi, I would just like to take to your attention that I will be doing an experiment on the Chemophobia one (it's still early on and it seems to be the weakest pick) but I am really not interested in arguing and spreading conflict with people over things I don't care about at all. I would just like a nice policy so it is easy to follow for everyone in the future so please do give me your thoughts on it as well. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chemophobia#Whole_article_stinks). Is invoking NPOV, Advocacy and Notability a good procedure here? I really have no idea how to work with all these terms in Wikipedia...it has grown into quite the bureaucratic colossus with an internal language that is difficult for outsiders to grasp. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.59.34.174 (talk) 11:58, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

I just looked at the Chemophobia article and I think you've got a point. I'll post to the talk page right now. —Ben Kovitz (talk) 14:40, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
Hey Ben, thanks I guess but although I do not like the article for all its intents and purposes I do not think that its main fault is neologism although it may be easier to prove. It sure is an example of probable neologism but neologism itself doesn't hurt anyone. Neologism itself if done properly is a natural way to create new words. It could only be neologism if the term isn't recognised as an affliction in past records and of that I am not sure. But this is not the issue. Had they constructed their word as for example misochemy to describe hatred and dislike for chemical addatives then it would also have to pass the same test for neologism but it wouldn't really be a problem for the prefix would attached to the correct word. Can you understand my perspective and why this is so important? Neologism may not be very encyclopedic, the subterfuge of our language is worrisome on a whole other level. They are trying to create guilt by association and are in fact hurting those with real phobias too. Considering the articles scope it would be better to name it something like "Anti-addatives movement" or "Natural Food Movement". Their guilt by association is so extreme that the whole thing falls flat on its face. I haven't anyone who is afraid, dislikes or even just doesn't care about any and all (artificial or not) chemicals (There are for example people with phobias for chlorine). So it is clear that is being used as a blanket term and I'd like to delete it/rename it and all other examples and future examples on the basis of a broad and easily understandable policy or set of policies and I need everyones help with making a good proposal. Do you think that it is possible to formulate such guidelines or proposal(s)?46.59.34.174 (talk) 16:00, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm no longer sure I understand. Are you saying that chemophobia is a bad neologism because it misuses the -phobia suffix, and therefore Wikipedia shouldn't use the word? —Ben Kovitz (talk) 16:11, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
The article is really bad (compared to the Homophobia one that just uses incorrect terminology) and sorry if I was unclear. It is bad because it uses incorrect terminology (chemophobia instead of misochemy or chemomisia...I'm a bit tired, wrote wrong term before), it is bad because its scope goes beyond any reasonable scope, it is bad because it is neologism no matter what you name it and it is bad because it is clearly subjective. But if the facts are true and there are those who oppose chemical addatives in some general sense then the article, despite its bias should stay, just be compltely rewritten. My small criticism to you was that it isn't the neologism which is the worst part of the article because neologism per definition is something real described with a non yet accepted term. This is possibly not real and written for purposes to deceive. If the article was described as for example the "Anti-Addative Movement" and limited in its scope then it should stay but then there should also be room and will be room for the other side to express themselves without feeling insulted by the terminology. But I am no expert, I have no biology degree and I am not pro- or for- this subject at all. Heck I probably know something more about all the other subjects than this. What got me about this one is that I got into it through the article on Bees (after watching a small film about them on the Guardian Newspaper) and someone had slipped it in there in a really nasty way. That got me going and here we are. (Here is my Bee edit and what we risk if we accept this type of behavior: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Beekeeping&diff=prev&oldid=583400698 : the creation of ad hoc termninology supported with ad hoc articles on wikipedia) 46.59.34.174 (talk) 16:25, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
OK, now I think I understand: you're saying that it's not Wikipedia's place to use a term that doesn't have legitimate acceptance, especially in order to advocate a controversial opinion. Policy strongly supports you on that. Specifically regarding chemophobia, though, the Oxford English Dictionary has an entry for it, and it cites usage going back to 1962. So, it does appear that chemophobia is an accepted term. However, it looks to me like it's a term of derision, not a serious topic with facts about it. Certainly you were right to remove chemophobic movement from Beekeeping; that wording was sarcastic, and violated WP:NPOV. —Ben Kovitz (talk) 16:55, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
Heh, thanks. It doesn't have an entry in my version of the dictionary but it is not the main common one but those for students of the english language. Still I assume that their definition is similiar to the one I described for Homophobia and not as it is in the article, right? And yup, that's pretty much what I am saying. But legitimate for me here is the issue I am discussing. What is legitimate? I would not like it to be sources in articles, news entries or announcement. Perhaps not even scientific articles should do it. Only scientific or common dictionaries and I don't see why we can't form a policy about this. Heck even when there is a rare difference between two accepted dictionaries then let's argue about which dictionary is better to use, not bombard each other with opinions on what is biased and what is not. I am sure that at least some of the payed lobbyist scientists working for American Health Bla Bla believe in at least some part of their work. Who is really to say that they are worse. Which is also why I say that if their facts check out then parts of the article could stay. But the terms should change...ah well seems not to many are eager to make such a small but significant disturbance :P 46.59.34.174 (talk) 17:23, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
Off-Topic: You may wonder; what is this fellow up to? Why does he go all bonkers over some small counter-edit in some beekeeping-article against which nobody has complained. Well you see I learned (well O.K. I knew a little about it before too) from that Guardian film that bees are very important and that they are dying in ever growing numbers to the point where wild bees are almost impossible to find in some places in Britain today. So a bunch of these good beekeepers organised a demonstration at parliament and they said it may be a new pesticide doing this. Pesticide is big money and bees are crucial to our survival. I won't have it that honest small-business farmers who are concerned about their bees get -phobia attached to them not because I care about them so much nor do they care about what is attached to them but because it could lead to the ridicule of the whole bee-death-issue. And I don't know why but it just stuck with me and now that I have done some research about this I see this type of thing being used on many places in Wikipedia and elsewhere and I am concerned about it because it is so subtle, because it is so minor yet impacts the very foundations of an idea or cause. 46.59.34.174 (talk) 16:53, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
I agree with you: that kind of subtle ridicule is dishonest and has no place on Wikipedia. If you'd like to look at existing policy to see ways to improve it, one good place in addition to the ones I mentioned on Village Pump is WP:TERRORIST. Good luck stamping out that kind of rhetoric! Since Wikipedia allows anyone to edit, policy violations will keep on happening no matter what the policy says, of course. Cleaning it up requires eternal vigilance. —Ben Kovitz (talk) 17:06, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
Ye...I'll need it :) I probably should've made an account long ago and I even think I have but I've forgoten about it. Would've had some more credibility than being just an IP as some editors dislike IPs as we are called. But I once explained my reason for not making or using an account here and that's because I think that we are all anonymous here and our credibility should only go so far as our message can take us. But I think I may be wrong about this now that I think about it. 46.59.34.174 (talk) 17:27, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Amazing story about the rise of Wikipedia[edit]

Ben, I read in one breath your amazing story about the Wikipedia emergence... and it touched me deeply. I think every editor on Wikipedia should read it to understand the deep meaning of Wikipedia. Also, I have seen remarkable thoughts in your essay about salience, especially "There is more to writing an encyclopedia than collecting facts from verifiable sources..." I only wonder why there are no other contributors in this interesting and so important for Wikipedia topic (looking at the history, I see you started it almost five years ago)... strange... Thank you for all that wisdom... I was just willing to accept it... --Circuit dreamer (talk, contribs, email) 22:14, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

You're invited: Art & Feminism Edit-a-thon[edit]

Art & Feminism Edit-a-Thon - You are invited!
Hi BenKovitz! The first Art and Feminism Edit-a-thon will be held on Saturday, February 1, 2014 in San Francisco.

Any editors interested in the intersection of feminism and art are welcome. Wikipedians of all experience levels are invited! Experienced editors will be on hand to help new editors.
Bring a friend and a laptop! Come one, come all! Learn more here!

SarahStierch (talk) 08:49, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Ten Commandments[edit]

Hey there? What do you mean with "not readable"?
Is there something I could improve on that?
Greetings, Wuschelkopf (talk) 10:02, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Wuschelkopf. I'll reply over at Talk:Ten Commandments in case someone else interested in that page comes up with a better idea. —Ben Kovitz (talk) 21:25, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

You're invited! WikiWomen's Edit-a-thon at the University of California, Berkeley[edit]

Saturday, April 5 - WikiWomen's Edit-a-thon at the University of California, Berkeley - You are invited!
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The University of California, Berkeley's Berkeley Center for New Media is hosting our first edit-a-thon, facilitated by WikiWoman Sarah Stierch, on April 5! This event, focused on engaging women to contribute to Wikipedia, will feature a brief Wikipedia policy and tips overview, followed by a fast-paced energetic edit-a-thon. Everyone is welcome to attend.

Please bring your laptop and be prepared to edit about women and women's history!

The event is April 5, from 1-5 PM, at the Berkeley Center for New Media Commons at Moffitt Library.

You must RSVP here - see you there! SarahStierch (talk) 23:11, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Evansville Wiknic 2014[edit]

It's time to start planning our Wiknic! This year Evansville is hosting. Bob the WikipediaN (talkcontribs) 18:34, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Edits to phonetics page "scars"[edit]

You made recent edits on Help:IPA for Latin to replace example words like "scar" with "cat". Consonant clusters like in "spot" and "store" are conventionally used for English phonology to illustrate unaspirated stops versus aspirated. Personally I don't like this convention, since a layperson who doesn't know what unaspirated means or sounds like would not understand the difference in the sound of "scar" or "cat" anyway, but it is convention in every dictionary and language-learning book (but not linguistics book) I've ever seen. I won't revert, but as a heads-up, don't be surprised and don't edit-war if somebody does, because they would be backed by both convention and technical correctness. SamuelRiv (talk) 14:20, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

August 2014[edit]

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You're invited! Litquake Edit-a-thon in San Francisco[edit]

You are invited!Litquake Edit-a-thon in San Francisco → Saturday, October 11, 2014, from 1-5 PM
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The Edit-a-thon will occur in parallel with Litquake, the San Francisco Bay Area's annual literature festival.

Writers from all over the Bay Area and the world will be in town during the nine day festival, so the timing is just right for us to meet, create and improve articles about literature and writers.

All levels of Wikipedia editing experience are welcome. This event will include new editor training. Please bring your laptop.

The venue: Wikimedia Foundation offices (149 New Montgomery Street, 6th Floor San Francisco, CA 94105) – Google Maps view

You must RSVP here — see you there! --Rosiestep (talk) 03:50, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

SF edit-a-thons on March 7 and 8[edit]

ArtAndFeminism (3/7) and International Women's Day (3/8)!
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Dear fellow Wikipedian,

In celebration of WikiWomen's History Month, the SF Bay Area Wikipedia community has two events in early March -- please consider attending!

First, we have an ArtAndFeminism edit-a-thon, which will take place at the Kadist Art Foundation from 12 noon to 6pm on Saturday, March 7. We'll be one of many sites worldwide participating in this edit-a-thon on March 7th. So join us as we help improve Wikipedia's coverage of women artists and their works!

Second, we will be celebrating International Women's Day with the International Women's Day edit-a-thon on Sunday, March 8 from 1pm to 5pm at the Wikimedia Foundation. Our editing focus will be on women, of course!

I hope to see you there! Rosiestep (talk) - via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:06, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Dora Kent[edit]

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ArbCom elections are now open![edit]

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Bay Area WikiSalon series kickoff, April 27[edit]

Please join us in San Francisco!
A Wikipedia panel discussion about journalism
Panel discussion at a recent Wikipedia & Journalism event.

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts in the San Francisco Bay Area will gather to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas. We have two brief presentations lined up for our kickoff event in downtown San Francisco:

  • The Nueva Upper School recently hosted the first ever high school Wikipedia edit-a-thon. We will hear what interests them about Wikipedia, what they have learned so far, and what they hope to achieve.
  • Photojournalist Kris Schreier Lyseggen, author of The Women of San Quentin: The Soul Murder of Transgender Women in Male Prisons, will tell us about her work and how she researched the topic.

We allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. We will have beverages and light snacks.

Please note: You must register here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict on this point.

For further details, see here: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, April 2016

We hope to see you -- and until then, happy editing! - Pete, Ben & Wayne

Invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series on May 25[edit]

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
A Wikipedia panel discussion about journalism

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. We will have beverages and light snacks.

Please note: You must register here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict on this point.

For further details, see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, May 2016


See you soon! Pete F, Ben Creasy, and Checkingfax via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:15, 9 May 2016 (UTC) | Subscribe/Unsubscribe to the SF Meetups notice.

Invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series, Wednesday, June 29[edit]

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
A Wikipedia panel discussion about journalism

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We make sure to allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages and light snacks. We will also have:

  • A brief report on Pride edit-a-thon recently held at the San Francisco Publice Library, coordinated by Merrilee:
    What topics might we cover in a follow up?
    Find out more about resources your public library provides to help with editing (hint, it's more than just books!)
    Special announcement (secret for now but come and find out more!)
  • Join in on an in person Wikidojo!
    Are you curious how your peers approach writing a Wikipedia article? This exercise, pioneered by Wikipedians Nikola Kalchev and Vassia Atanassova in 2015 and conducted in many places around the world, will help us all - from first-time wiki users to veteran Wikipedians - share ideas, while building an article together. If you have ideas (relating to Bay Area history, ideally) about a new article we could build (stubs and short existing articles are fine), please submit them ahead of time to coordinator Pete Forsyth. (User talk page or email is fine.)
    Announcements and impromptu topics are welcome, too!

Please note: You must register here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict.

For further details, see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, June 2016


See you soon! Pete F, Ben, Stephen and Checkingfax | (Subscribe or Unsubscribe to this talk page notice here)

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:07, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

REMINDER/invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series, Wednesday, June 29 at 6 p.m.[edit]

Please join us in downtown San Francisco tonight!
A Wikipedia panel discussion about journalism

If you cannot join in person or want to view portions later:

We will have:

  • Light snacks, and time to mingle
  • A brief report on the Pride edit-a-thon recently held at the San Francisco Public Library, that was coordinated by Wiki editor Merrilee
  • A special announcement (secret for now but come and find out more!)
  • Join in on a brief in person Wikidojo!
  • Announcements and impromptu topics are welcome, too!

Please register at: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1cjLRrSTlEkGOPTQ-h6A0WvSFI4ZmIUl6jEHp_RYas-E/viewform and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict.

For further details, see: Bay Area WikiSalon, June 2016


See you tonight! Pete F, Ben, Stephen and MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:48, 29 June 2016 (UTC) | (Subscribe or Unsubscribe to this talk page notice)

Late breaking invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series, July 27 (Wednesday) - change of venue - tonight[edit]

Please join us in the Mission at Noisebridge (one time change of venue)!
A Wikipedia panel discussion about journalism

We hope you can join us today, Wednesday, from 6 p.m. on, at our July Bay Area WikiSalon. This month only, we are going to be at Noisebridge, a hackerspace/makerspace 1.5 blocks from the 16th & Mission BART station (see the link for directions). Some of us will be working on the Wikipedia article on basic income. All info here. Some good news - we do not have to be as strict about advance RSVP at Noisebridge, so bring spontaneous guests! (Registering ahead of time is still helpful, as always, as it will help us plan ahead.)

Come and hang out, have some light snacks. Wi-Fi is available, so please bring your editing device if you plan to edit.

Also, Pete just published a writeup of the Wikidojo exercise we did last month. Your comments welcome, if he missed anything! http://wikistrategies.net/ghost-town-royals-wikidojo

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas. Mark you calendars now.

We allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend.


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Invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series, Wednesday, August 31[edit]

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
A Wikipedia panel discussion about journalism

Hi folks,

We would like to invite you to this month's Bay Area WikiSalon. The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We make sure to allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages and light snacks. We will also have a brief presentation for your education and possible enjoyment:

  • Former EFF intern Marta Belcher will discuss crowdsourcing her Stanford Law School graduation speech using a wiki. The "WikiSpeech" was the subject of prominent national media attention in 2015, and more than half of her classmates contributed to writing and editing the commencement address via a wiki.

Please note: You should register here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict on the I.D. part. This also helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in! Feel free to stop by even if only to say a quick hello, but you might have to give us a last minute call if you forget to RSVP. Also, don't be shy about hitting us up if you have thoughts on speakers or wiki-related activities.

For further details, see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, August 2016


See you soon! Pete F, Ben, Stephen and Checkingfax | (Subscribe or Unsubscribe to this talk page notice here)

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:05, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Tonight: Live and archived links for Bay Area WikiSalon[edit]

Bay Area WikiSalon, Wednesday, August 31:

If you cannot join us in person tonight, we are streaming (and later archiving) the presentation by former EFF intern Marta Belcher. We expect her to be live starting between 6:30 or 6:45 p.m. PDT and talking and taking questions for about 30 minutes thereafter.

Here is the YouTube stream link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t8V79s2-og
Here is the link to join the Hangout on Air: https://hangouts.google.com/call/ezrol7dafjfwxfh2ilpkjyxoaue

You can search for it on the Commons and YouTube later too.

Wayne, Pete, Ben, and Stephen

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:50, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series, Wednesday, September 28[edit]

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
A Wikipedia panel discussion about journalism

Hi folks,

We would like to invite you to this month's Bay Area WikiSalon. The last Wednesday evening of every month, Wikipedia and Wikimedia enthusiasts gather to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We will have no formal agenda to allow people to freely share ideas and perhaps learn about Wikipedia through hands-on editing. Co-organizer Ben Creasy will be looking at election-related articles to enhance the information available in the upcoming November elections.

Official logo of Wiki Loves Monuments

Co-organizer Stephen LaPorte has suggested doing an upload-a-thon for Wiki Loves Monuments. Niki, the California coordinator for WLM will be in attendance. WLM is an annual event and the official dealine is Friday the 30th for submissions to count towards awards.

Or, you can grab a couch, a booth, or a stool and do your own thing.

Wikimedia community logo (public domain)

Please note: You should register here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict on the I.D. part. This also helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in! Feel free to stop by even if only to say a quick hello, but you might have to give us a last minute call if you forget to RSVP. Also, don't be shy about hitting us up if you have thoughts on future speakers or wiki-related activities.

For further details, please see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, September 2016. Mark your calendars now for the 3rd Wednesday in October, the 26th, when we will have a brief presentation.


See you soon! Pete F, Ben, Stephen and Checkingfax | (Subscribe or Unsubscribe to this talk page notice here)

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:34, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

You are invited to a Wednesday evening event in SF[edit]

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
A Wikipedia panel discussion about journalism

Hi folks,

Please copy and share this on other talk pages. We would like to invite you to this month's Bay Area WikiSalon. The last Wednesday evening of every month, Wikipedia and Wikimedia enthusiasts gather at the Wikimedia Foundation lounge to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We will have no meaty agenda this month, but we will allow a brief period for:

  • Open mic for anybody who attended WikiConference North America 2016 in San Diego last week and wants to share their takeaway
  • Question & answer
  • Open mic for announcements
  • Maybe a focus on some topical election article editing with Ben?

Or, you can grab a couch, a booth, a stool or counter and do your own thing.

Wikimedia Community Logo.svg

Please note: You should register here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict on the I.D. part. This also helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in! Feel free to stop by even if only to say a quick hello, but you might have to give us a last minute call if you forget to RSVP. Also, don't be shy about hitting us up if you have thoughts on future speakers or wiki-related activities.

For further details, please see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, October 2016.


PS: Mark your calendars ahead now for the 3rd Wednesday in November, the 30th (the week after Thanksgiving), at 6 p.m. when our WikiSalon will host a super awesome top secret mystery guest mingling in our midst. We will announce specifics at the upcoming WikiSalon.


See you soon! Pete F, Ben, Stephen, Jacob, and Checkingfax | (Subscribe or Unsubscribe to this talk page notice here)

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:51, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open![edit]

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The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

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ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open![edit]

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The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

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Everybody is invited to the November 30 Bay Area WikiSalon[edit]

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
A Wikipedia panel discussion about journalism

Details and RSVP here.


See you soon! Pete F, Ben Creasy, and Checkingfax | (Subscribe/Unsubscribe to this talk page notice here)

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:54, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Bay Area WikiSalon series: Everybody is invited this Wednesday evening at 6[edit]

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
A Wikipedia panel discussion about journalism

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki and open-source enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

Before and after the brief presentation we allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages and light snacks.


In addition, this month we will have:

  • a brief presentation from User:Cullen328 (Jim Heaphy) about the Wikipedia Teahouse
  • spontaneous lightning talks from the floor
  • community announcements from the floor

For details and to RSVP see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, December 2016


See you soon! Ben Creasy and Checkingfax | (Subscribe/Unsubscribe to this talk page notice here)

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P.S. Any help spreading the word through social media or other avenues is most welcome! We plan to announce this on various sites and invite various groups; if you would like to join in, check our meta planning page, and please note any announcements you are sending out: meta:Monthly WikiSalon in San Francisco#Announcements and promotion

Please feel free to add to, refine, reorganize or edit the above linked page: it is a wiki!

We need more helpers and organizers, so if you see a need, please jump in, or talk to us about it! You can add your username to the meta page where appropriate, or create a new role!

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:44, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Reminder invitation to the December Bay Area WikiSalon[edit]

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
A Wikipedia panel discussion about journalism

Hi, everybody.

We are excited to remind you of the ninth in the Bay Area WikiSalon series that is coming up this Wednesday evening at 6 p.m.

  • Details (RSVP suggested) here (RSVP helps us know how much food and drink to bring in)

What is a WikiSalon? A monthly safe and inclusive meatspace event conducted in organized chaos and we all clean up the mess afterwards. Livestream links for the presentation are available during presentation months, and will be forthcoming for those of you that cannot attend. December is a presentation month.


Hope to see you there! Wayne (and Ben) - co-organizers
Any last minute questions or suggestions? Please ping or email Ben or me. | (Subscribe/Unsubscribe to this talk page notice here)

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 05:10, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Archived link for December Bay Area WikiSalon[edit]

Hi, y'all. In case you missed it and want to watch the archive reel; the topic was The Wikipedia Teahouse and the presenter was well respected Wikimedian Jim Heaphy [[User:Cullen328]]

  • Archive link (also includes intro, announcements, and a lightning talk)
  • Details about Bay Area WikiSalon for December here

The full title of Jim's presentation was: Welcoming and Helping New Editors: A Month at the Wikipedia Teahouse: an overview of the Teahouse and an analysis of over 300 Teahouse conversations during the month of August, 2016

Jim gave a longer version of this presentation in October at WikiConference North America 2016 in San Diego, California.


Cheers! Co-organizer Checkingfax - and co-organizer Ben Creasy | (Subscribe/Unsubscribe to this talk page notice here)


PS: Mark your calendars now for Sunday, January 15 at 2 p.m. which will be Wikipedia's 16th Birthday party hosted by Bay Area WikiSalon! Details to follow soon. If you want to help plan it, get in touch with us ASAP!

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:43, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

You are invited to a birthday bash to Celebrate Wikipedia's 16th Birthday![edit]

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
Cut the cake

Wikipedia Day 16 SF is a fun Birthday bash and edit-a-thon on Sunday, January 15, 2017, hosted by Bay Area WikiSalon at the Wikimedia Foundation's Chip Deubner Lounge in the South of Market Street business district.

Wikimedia Community logo

For details and to RSVP, please see: Wikipedia:Meetup/SF/Wikipedia Day 2017

The San Francisco gathering is one of a number of Wikipedia Day celebrations worldwide.


See you soon! Ben Creasy, Checkingfax and Slaporte | (Subscribe/Unsubscribe to this notice)


PS: We need volunteers to help make this a fun and worthwhile event. Please add your name to the Project page, and what you can offer. It is a wiki, so please make direct edits to the page.

Bay Area WikiSalon usually meets the last Wednesday evening of every month as an inclusive and safe place to collaborate, mingle, munch and learn about new projects and ideas.

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:52, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Reminder invitation to the Wikipedia Day 16 birthday bash & edit-a-thon[edit]

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
Cut the cake

Wikipedia Day 16 SF is a fun Birthday bash and edit-a-thon on Sunday, January 15, 2017, hosted by Bay Area WikiSalon at the Wikimedia Foundation's Chip Deubner Lounge in the South of Market Street business district and everybody is invited!

Wikimedia Community logo
Details and RSVP here

See you Sunday! Ben Creasy, Checkingfax and Slaporte


PS: We still need more volunteers to help make this a fun and worthwhile event. Please add what you can offer and your name to the Project page or Talk about it. It is a wiki, so please make direct edits to the Project page. The event is already growing due to volunteers that have stepped up so far. Face-smile.svg


Bay Area WikiSalon meets one evening of every month as an inclusive and safe place to collaborate, mingle, munch or learn about new projects and ideas.

Note: the previous invitation had a bum wikilink. Sorry! | (Subscribe/Unsubscribe to this notice) | MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:43, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Bay Area WikiSalon invitation for February 22[edit]

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
A Wikipedia panel discussion about journalism

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages (including beer and wine) plus light snacks.


Please note: You should RSVP here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. This also helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in.


For further details, see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, February 2017


See you soon! Ben Creasy and Wayne | (Subscribe/Unsubscribe to this talk page notice here) | MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:47, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Bay Area WikiSalon February reminder[edit]

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
A Wikipedia panel discussion about journalism

Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 6 p.m.


For details and to RSVP: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, February 2017


See you soon! Ben Creasy and Wayne (co-coordinators) | (Subscribe/Unsubscribe to this talk page notice here) | MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:58, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

2017 Art And Feminism Wikipedia Editathon @ CCA[edit]

You are invited! - Friday, March 10 - SF CCA ArtAndFeminism 2017
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Please join us at the California College of the Arts'
Simpson Library
on Friday March 10, 2017, for
an event aimed at collaboratively expanding Wikipedia articles covering Art and Feminism, and the biographies of women artists!

--Jscarboro (talk)

Intuition[edit]

Hey great work on cleaning up of the article Intuition Shrikanthv (talk) 09:20, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Your invitation: Bay Area WikiSalon series at Noisebridge[edit]

Please join us in San Francisco!
A Wikipedia panel discussion about journalism

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas. This month we are meeting at Noisebridge makerspace/hackerspace in the Mission near 16th Street BART (temporary change of venue). The good news is this means that you can bring spontaneous guests if you forget to RSVP!

We allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages (including beer and wine) plus light snacks.


If possible, please RSVP as it helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in. For further details and to RSVP, please see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, March 2017


See you soon! Co-coordinators Ben Creasy and Wayne
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thanks[edit]

thanks Ben for the thanks, best regards. Govindaharihari (talk) 05:51, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Reminder: Tonight is Bay Area WikiSalon at Noisebridge[edit]

Please join us in San Francisco!
A Wikipedia panel discussion about journalism

Details and to RSVP: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, March 2017 (optional, but helpful for food and special needs accommodations)

We are meeting at Noisebridge makerspace/hackerspace (temporary venue change) near 16th ST BART in SF.


See you soon! Co-coordinators Ben Creasy and Wayne
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