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Happy New Year![edit]

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Dear Bender235,
HAPPY NEW YEAR Hoping 2015 will be a great year for you! Thank you for your contributions!
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Thank you very much. Happy new year to you, too. --bender235 (talk) 07:58, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Olivia de Havilland[edit]

Just curious but I am sure it was an accident. This edit [1] back in July 2014, gave the actress a date of death in the Persondata template. I have removed it and only waving it at you for your info. Periglio (talk) 10:27, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

It must've been an accident. AWB usually fills in this data from the infobox template, but it didn't seem to have been there, either. I don't know what went wrong. You are right to remove it. --bender235 (talk) 10:58, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Ah yes, AWB is picking up the death date of her son which was added with the Death date template. Thanks Periglio (talk) 12:07, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

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Infobox NFL player: current parameters[edit]

Bender, I saw that you're adding hidden versions of the infobox template to college player bios in preparation for the 2015 NFL Draft. I note that you are still using deprecated versions of several filed/parameter names, specifically:

  • "currentpositionplain" and "currentposition" should no longer be used, and should be replaced with "position" in all instances;
  • "currentnumber" should no longer be used, and should be replaced with "number" in all instances.

Having consolidated these redundant parameters, we would not like to perpetuate the deprecated paraameter/filed names by incorporating them into the the new 2015 players bios. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:06, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for the info. --bender235 (talk) 14:10, 22 January 2015 (UTC)


I see that you have changed the Palmer, 1881, address in I'billin to a https-adress. Please don´t do that. I added that link once (as I have added most of the links to on Palestinian places), and I am occasionally on my old computer which simply cannot read the -links, And it is not only me; you are making it impossible for any person with an older computer to follow these links; that is not very fair, is it? Huldra (talk) 20:43, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

You must have a really old computer then, but okay (seriously, what kind of machine are we talking about here?). Luckily, Wikipedia has something called protocol-relative URLs in its toolbox. I converted the links. --bender235 (talk) 08:01, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Huldra FYI... Wikipedia only supports IE version 8+ and the current releases of Chrome and Firefox. At the end of 2015, Wikipedia will only support IE 11+. At the moment, the code for IE 8 and below is depreciate, but will be removed by the end of the year. Currently only 10% of requests come from IE and 6% of requests from IE 11. Wikipedia will not support any browsers that are no longer maintained. Bgwhite (talk) 08:39, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Bgwhite: I assume that by IE you mean internet explorer? I have used Macs now for nearly 25 years, and always Safari (sometimes Opera). And my reserve computer is from when I started editing Wikipedia, back in 2005. But even on my brand new Mac, looking up -links takes a quite a bit longer than looking up -links (especially if you use them as much as I do). And Bender235: using that Wikipedia:Protocol-relative URL for I'billin does´t really work, either: I`m sent -links. If you look at the total of in Arab localities in Israel, List of Arab towns and villages depopulated during the 1948 Palestinian exodus and [[Category:Villages in the West Bank]], then I think you will see that I have added most of them. I still have a few to add. But having to deal with them being turned into seriously puts me off Wikipedia -editing, Please stop. At least stay out of the localities in the areas I mentioned. Huldra (talk) 12:30, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
And I cannot even undo the edit on I'billin, because I would break 1RR. <facepalm> Huldra (talk) 12:34, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
"[...] using that Wikipedia:Protocol-relative URL for I'billin does´t really work, either: I`m sent -links."
Is it because you're accessing Wikipedia via Only then protocol-relative URLs should return an HTTPS link (hence the name). I really wonder what kind of ancient machine you're having, please tell me. --bender235 (talk) 12:40, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
I am running on a brand new Mac, bought last August, Safari 7.1.2. It is only my back-up which is ancient. (But when my Mac broke down last summer, it took one month before I could get it replaced, that whole time I was on my old 2005 computer, and really had problems with the Https). Yes, I´m logged in as https, and I hate it, but I have found no way in my preferences to change it. Is it possible to be logged in as Http? Huldra (talk) 13:13, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
It is possible to switch this in your user preferences. But anyhow, is it that difficult to just update your machine? I don't find it reasonable to mold Wikipedia articles because fringe cases like yours. --bender235 (talk) 19:04, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
So please tell me then: where the heck can I switch it of?? I have looked for ages, and not found any method! And there are lots and lots of people with ancient computers out there, they are just not contributing to Wikipedia as they are put off by lots of nerdy geeks who have the very newest computers and expect everyone else to have it, too. And people wonder why Wikipedia is loosing editors! FYI: in my area (partly listed above) I`m hardly a "fringe case"; Huldra (talk) 20:44, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Bgwhite: By "requests" above, what do you mean, people editing Wikipedia, or people reading wikipedia? Huldra (talk) 20:44, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Turn off https: Goto Preferences at the top-right. Uncheck the box that says, "Always use a secure connection when logged in".
By "requests" above: I mean any request to the Wikipedia web servers.
A slow computer really doesn't affect performance of https via plain web browsing. If on an older browser (pre 2010), not all browsers would cache https content. This would result in a huge slowdown. Network connection speed does cause problems for the initial connection to a site as it takes more round trips to make the initial connection. Any connections after, the secure connection should be cached, so no more extra round trips. But, the cache is only there for around 10 minutes. Bgwhite (talk) 08:05, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Bgwhite: thank you very much for your tip on how to turn https off, I have done so now. (As you perhaps understand: I'm not that technically advanced!) Anyway, I have checked the I'billin article again, and now it works, i.e., I stay on http, also for I use a lot, typically several links for every article I edit. I am not based in the Middle-East, but I know the area, and in my estimate, if people have computers, then most would have pre-2010-models. And connections are generally slow. Please don´t make Wikipedia a place for only those with the newest computer-models or fast connections.
Thank you for your explanation about https, I still prefer http, though I can see that at times https would be useful (say, dealing with sensitive material, in certain countries) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:02, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
@Huldra:, please tell me, what "ancient machine" (your words) are you running? I'm really curious why it can't be updated at all. I have a 13-yr old Windows XP on a virtual machine on my computer, and it processes HTTPS links just fine, because it can be (and has been) updated with Mozilla Firefox 35. So please tell me, what kind of system are we talking about in your case. Maybe there's an easy fix for you. And it doesn't have to be Firefox; Chrome, Opera, or any other modern browser will suffice. Please don't think of this as "geeky stuff", because keeping your machine updated is actually highly relevant for its security and integrity. --bender235 (talk) 11:50, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
I am writing this on my old Mac, (ibook G4, Safari 4.1.3). It was brand new when I first stared editing Wikipedia 10 years ago, I only has it as a reserve these days. But I had to use it for nearly a month last summer, as the screen on my 3 year old Mac flunked out, and it took some time for the shop to get the model of Mac Air that I wanted. When it tries to access https-pages, it just freeze. Anyway, with the info from Bgwhite: it works out fine. Huldra (talk) 22:09, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
Alright. I suspect the trouble you're having is caused by an outdated version of your browser. Is it possible for you to update it? --bender235 (talk) 23:08, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
Nope, that is the newest I can have with that hard-ware. I´m writing this on my new Mac, though, (Safari 7.1.2). As I said above though, when I learned how to not log into a https-account: things work fine. Huldra (talk) 23:47, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
Alright then. --bender235 (talk) 23:48, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
You are correct Bender, it is caused by outdated version of the browser and possibility the hardware too. Safari 4.x series came out in 2009. Huldra would be running OS X 10.4, which had its support end in 2010. One cannot expect anything that old to work on today's web. Huldra's "new" system is not that new and is using an older version of Safari. Latest version is 8.x. Huldra I would recommend using Chrome or Firefox. Chrome or Firefox supports SPDY. One of the advantages of SPDY is instead of multiple round trips to establish an https connection, it can be done in one, like non-https browsing. A web site has to support SPDY. and Wikipedia currently don't support it. Wikipedia is currently testing it. Google, Facebook, Twitter, Yahoo all use it. Bgwhite (talk) 20:47, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
@Bgwhite:, Thank you for taking time to explain this. The Safari 8 was released in October 2014; Wikipedia really cannot rely on users having computers less than 6 months old. I have had Macs now for about 25 years, so I´m pretty much at home with Safari. As I said above, though: outside the high-tech environments people often have ancient computers, because they see no need to upgrade when their present computer do everything they wants it do: a bit of surfing, (typically news) and some email. I think it would be a loss for Wikipedia, if these people were not also given a chance to edit Wikipedia. Huldra (talk) 20:13, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Huldra Wikipedia supports Safari 7. I was just giving an example where a new version would be more helpful. YouTube just made a change to HTML5 video by default. This is only supported in Safari 8. HTML5 is a smaller download, thus videos would load faster. Again, an example where a newer version of a browser would be more helpful. Nobody supports an unsupported browser. This is a common practice because of security and manpower. It would be irresponsible to support an unsecure platform. It also costs more to keep unsupported version going and nobody is going to waste manpower for that. Currently a Mac OS version is only supported for ~4 years. 10.6 was last to have support dropped. Sorry, but it is not remotely reasonable for anyone to support 10.6 now. You choose a Mac, you knew you will pay more for a Mac and have shorter support times. At the end of the year, Microsoft is dropping support for all browsers except for IE 11 and above. At that point, sites will start yanking out code supporting anything earlier than 2013 browsers. This is just the way of computer life. Bgwhite (talk) 20:51, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Curious about editing[edit]

Bender235: You apparently were the user who edited my wikipedia biography (Timothy J. Bartik) to say that my birth date was October 1, 1952. This is incorrect. My birthdate is March 26, 1954. This has since been partly corrected (a part of my wikipedia bio says March 26, 1954, the other part says February something, 1954, for reasons unclear to me. )

However, google now seems to have picked up Wikipedia, and Google now lists my birthday as October 1, 1952.

I am very curious as to why on earth you would think my birthday is October 1, 1952? And how on earth are such errors to be corrected, when I am not supposed to edit my own Wikipedia page, for obvious reasons.

I do note that there is at least one online source that gives my correct birthdate, in a bio of my mother. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tim Bartik (talkcontribs) 19:00, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

The wrong date of birth was in there ever since the article was created in 2011 by User:Rwyrwa. If it was incorrect, I'm sorry. Google will pick up the correct DOB shortly, don't worry. Good thing that you fixed it. --bender235 (talk) 00:49, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Guten Tag,

ich bin Journalist und würde mich mit Ihnen gerne über Ihre Arbeit als "Contributor" unterhalten. Vielleicht kontaktieren Sie mich einfach unter der Mail "". — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:01, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Und weshalb, wenn ich fragen darf? --bender235 (talk) 22:39, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Dennis Shaw[edit]

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Proposed deletion of Ratcliff Thomas[edit]

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About your (non)participation in the January 2012 SOPA vote[edit]

Hi Bender235. I am Piotr Konieczny (User:Piotrus), you may know me as an active content creator (see my userpage), but I am also a professional researcher of Wikipedia. Recently I published a paper (downloadable here) on reasons editors participated in Wikipedia's biggest vote to date (January 2012 WP:SOPA). I am now developing a supplementary paper, which analyzes why many editors did not take part in that vote. Which is where you come in :) You are a highly active Wikipedian (47th to be exact), and you were active back during the January 2012 discussion/voting for the SOPA, yet you did not chose to participate in said vote. I'd appreciate it if you could tell me why was that so? For your convenience, I prepared a short survey at meta, which should not take more than a minute of your time. I would dearly appreciate you taking this minute; not only as a Wikipedia researcher but as a fellow content creator and concerned member of the community (I believe your answers may help us eventually improve our policies and thus, the project's governance). PS. If you chose to reply here (on your userpage), please WP:ECHO me. Thank you! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 16:57, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

@Piotrus:. My memory's a bit hazy, but I think I did vote for the SOPA blackout. I actually see my vote here. Are we talking of different things?
Recalling events, I was in favor of the blackout right from the beginning, because I recognized the threat SOPA would pose to Wikipedia. --bender235 (talk) 18:17, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you - you are right, I somehow missed your vote there. Once again, thank you for taking time to answer! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 18:24, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Discussion about HTTPS at Village Pump (Proposals)[edit]

There is a proposal to enable HTTPS by default for all readers on Wikipedia at the Village Pump. You are being notified because you have previously expressed interest in matters related to this subject. Your input in the discussion would be welcome. Thank you, Tony Tan98 · talk 19:41, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. --bender235 (talk) 22:02, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Tony Tan 98 I saw your message here and then looked at the discussion on the pump.... egads. Well, that turned worse than I thought and my thoughts were very, very low to begin with. I don't think there is a chance until Wikipedia moves to HTTP/2. At that point, one can say https is faster than http. Enabling SPDY was on the Wikimedia technical team's agenda for last quarter, but never got looked at. Most of last quarter's agenda wasn't looked at or finished. SPDY and/or HTTP/2 is not currently on any agenda that I know of. Bgwhite (talk) 09:52, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
@Bgwhite: Yeah, the discussion at the pump is not looking very good. My hopes were up when Jimbo made a comment that I thought was mostly positive, but then there were many opposes. Now I will just have to see how the discussion goes. I don't really understand why some users are so against this; many issues that they mentioned (performance, server load, actual security, censorship, etc.) were addressed by replies from me and others. Anyways, I would like the opinions of as many people as possible so you are also welcome to comment there. Best, Tony Tan98 · talk 15:51, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, well, Wikipedia seemingly can always only move as fast as the weakest link in the chain. Since there are apparently still people with IE6, or dial-up connections, we can't switch to modern and secure techniques. (see above) --bender235 (talk) 16:47, 22 February 2015 (UTC)