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Archive 9

William Donohue


I pulled out the deleted sections and placed them in my user subpage here to start work on the refs. I'll do what I can to help out with some of the drudge work. Feel free to edit at will when you find the time. No pressure. I can't get wikilink to work for a subpage. — Becksguy (talk) 23:03, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


Need some advice and you seem to know your way around Wiki. I reverted a spammer on Steel Magnolias and he responded with insults and vandalised my user page. I reported the incident to AiV, he got a warning about spam (not vandalising my page). Should I have taken this somewhere else? I am a big boy, and this isnt the first time I run across being called "fag" (though I don't want it getting around I was on Steel Magnolias page) but I want advice on what I should do next time. Thanks Jacksinterweb (talk) 00:18, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I've added a specific warning addressing the issue on their talk. Anon IP's and registered users are handled a bit different; many feel and I concur that engaging anonymous vandalism beyond simply Revert, Block, Ignore is a waste of time and resources. I've gotten more comfortable with the process myself; revert the damage, (always) warn the user on their talk and if they have a pattern of vandalism then report to AiV. AiV, by the way, is sadly busy, so you adding specific warnings against personal attacks, in this case, is the key so that admin can see who warned about what and when. Documentation is key just like in real world. Many editors simply revert vandalism and don't do the next steps, the result of this is often a vandal will get the first warning after a lot of damage and the AiV folks like to see a good faith effort. This means that only after they are warned it's considered more than a problem, multiple warnings and still they vandalize? Then blocking may be in order. In all of this it's best to keep cool and try not to take it personal even when it sure feels like it. They may get their kicks from winding you up so don't give them that victory. The main difference with registered users is that they have more personally invested and aren't keen on having their account blocked. As for the Steel Magnolias page it's in your history as well as the article history already so too late; if called on it you can insist you thought it was a heavy metal band. Benjiboi 01:07, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I did all the usual (revert, warning tag, didn't feed the troll, reported) I thought I might have gone to the wrong place. Insults don't bother me, I was a bit surprised that after the Admin reverted the "fag" comment on my page he then gave Anon a warning to not spam my page. Thanks again for your input (and for the Steel Magnolias cover if I can just find a plausible story for Mildred Pierce). Jacksinterweb (talk) 02:37, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I think you did the right thing, I suggest following up with the editor who reverted the fag blanking and (nicely) bringing up the you were a little surprized the personal attacks didn't seem to get mentioned. As for Mildred Pierce you can always say you thought it was this model or stripper (and you were ever so disappointed). Benjiboi 02:41, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Good idea! Distract from my bad taste in movies with a tale of my being a closet heterosexual! Jacksinterweb (talk) 03:01, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Lol! Closets - not just for clothes! Benjiboi 03:09, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Just stopping by your WikiHome Benji to say "hi" to Jacksinterweb from Mississippi! Err, I'm saying "hi" from Mississippi and he's from Mississippi. Oh yeah, and HI BENJI! ;) -- ALLSTARecho 03:36, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

And a Hidi ho to you as well! Benjiboi 04:43, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

If you need a laugh...

Thought you might get a kick out of [1] after all the work you put in to his article... =D -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 04:07, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

That was funny. However, my attention was immediately drawn away to this. Shame on me. -- ALLSTARecho 04:22, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I think either all are under-medicated or over-medicated, not sure which though... Benjiboi 04:43, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for creating that AfD, Benji! Aleta (talk) 05:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

No problem! The article is funny if you can get past the homophobia! Benjiboi 05:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I Am Your Gummy Bear

Lead various spellings, might have to search each song title for refs. Benjiboi

done. 21:23, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Lonnie Frisbee

I've watchlisted it, and if that anon IP gives you anymore trouble on the article I will assist you in dealing with it. My apologies for not responding on ANI. I just saw it now. Jeffpw (talk) 17:47, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

If you're willing could you address the talk page comments they have left. Personally I fell they should be stricken and the user should try posting again without all the pointy language and accusations. Building turf battles isn't helping building articles. Benjiboi 20:36, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Done. "have we taken Jesus Christ as our Savior?"??????? Hell NO! Jeffpw (talk) 21:18, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I appreciate you doing that, they have helped the article in much the same way our friends did on Sister Roma, they poke with pointy sticks and we pile on references (I smell recurring theme). By the way that blaspheme play I thought of is Corpus Christi. Benjiboi 21:22, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Lesbian links


Benjiboi 16:02, 13 December 2007 (UTC)










Public policy

See also

List of animals displaying homosexual behavior


Benjiboi 20:28, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

to do:

  1. . Link biblio articles to online sources if any avail.
  2. . Finish Bagemihl ref overhaul on mammals, then do same for insects, invertebrates etc (birds done).
  3. . Convert other refs on Birds to biblio format, then do same for mammals, invertebrates etc.
  4. . Recheck formatting, links for major plot flaws
  5. . Investigate content in template issues and possible solutions.

Done. Benjiboi

gummy bear move

Hey, regarding the Gummy Bear move, I did look for the move tab, but it was not there. If you go to the current Gummy Bear page it's still not there (if it redirects you, be sure to click back to the correct one) other than that I don't have any idea how to fix it, or even how to contact an admin for that matter. Darkage7 (talk) 07:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

oh sure, as soon as i say that it shows up... lets see here... Darkage7 (talk) 07:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
thanks, I don't really know how to do that... glad it's getting done tho Darkage7 (talk) 07:58, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

As you can see on the article and at WP:SPLICE, I have requested that an admin merge the edit histories. –Pomte 21:05, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

thank you for your help with this! Benjiboi 04:06, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

List of birds displaying homosexual behavior: GA nomination(s)

I have quick-failed your nomination of this article (and the other two similar ones), because it goes beyond the scope of WP:GA, which doesn't handle lists. I would recommend nominating them for WP:FLC instead. Dr. Cash (talk) 19:28, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure I want to jump to FA status, is there a GA for lists? Benjiboi 19:31, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Decent welcome/vandalism template

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Thank you! and may your chimney be active as well! Benjiboi 05:32, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes please

NSFW. How all disputes on Wikipedia should be resolved. Well, not maybe all as I'm sure there's a few I wouldn't want to resolve disputes with via this technique. But you know what I mean. ;) -- ALLSTARecho 22:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Lol. I think the Olympics (gay or otherwise) would never have to worry about fundraising schemes if they returned to the no clothing concept. Benjiboi 05:36, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On 15 December, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article I Am Your Gummy Bear, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cheers, Daniel 04:33, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Yea, the system works. Benjiboi 05:37, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Candycane 2.jpg)

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Hate group

Please don't scold me for removing categories that are not appropriate and claim that what I did was vandalism and then do the same exact thing I did. (talk) 20:36, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I apologize if you felt I was scolding you, I reverted your deletion of several categories from the article which seemed to be valid categories and in the edit summary I suggested you could take up the issue on the article's talk page if you disagreed. You then added category Atheism which I removed as nothing in the article seems to warrant its inclusion which, again, I noted in the edit summary and on your talk page. We are here to build good articles and working together is part of that. You may consider adding some explanation in your edit summaries so other editors have an understanding of what you're thinking. Benjiboi 20:42, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Cher references

Hi. You removed a {{refimprove}} tag from the Cher article, stating in the edit summary "removing tag article seems to have dozens of refs unless my eyes are playing tricks n me." I put that tag in place of the one that was already on the article, which was the {{citations missing}} tag. That one was erroneous, because there are references present, as you pointed out in your edit summary, however, there are quite a few facts and quotes in the article which aren't referenced, and need to be. I am returning the refimprove tag, and have tagged points in the article which need to be referenced. Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 01:44, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, you may find that as the article does have plenty of refs (even though it needs some) the tag gets removed again. An alternative may be to use section tags or simply pick the ten most dubious items and fact tag those. Good luck! Benjiboi 01:47, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Warning templates

Use Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace to find most appropriate template. Benjiboi 01:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Chris Crocker

Seen this one? -- ALLSTARecho 03:17, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

No, that's amazing! We should totally use it. Benjiboi 13:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


I apologize for deleting the picture, I thought it was a joke or something around those lines, (since Dyke on a Bike rhymes)I thought it was some sort of rude pun and forgive me please for deleting it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Buzz94 (talkcontribs) 02:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

You're forgiven! Benjiboi 02:24, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Rosie O'Donnell not quite dead



Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Living people category removal Living people category removal

Hi, an editor has removed the category living people from a BLP and I'm wondering if I missed something and that category is no longer valid? The category talk makes no mention so am I missing something here? Benjiboi 01:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

It looks like it might be an isolated incident as the category is untouched in many of their other edits. Will follow up if there is anything more to it. Benjiboi 02:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Look closer - that article was in that category twice. Ask the editor first next time, thank you. --Golbez (talk) 02:34, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


User talk:Jeanenawhitney#Rosie O'Donnell not quite dead

Please restore the Living people category to her bio. Benjiboi 02:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Benjiboi also raised this at WP:AN, for some reason. The category was in the article twice; there is no problem with your edit. Chick Bowen 04:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Any replies should be directed to my talk page.Jeanenawhitney (talk) 10:49, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Done. My apologies, I've also resorted the categories into alpha order so hopefully no one will easily re-add another duplicate category. Benjiboi 11:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

John Aravosis refs

Voluminous fact tags litter the text. Some have been addressed, others need attention; then clean all up with proper ref formatting. Benjiboi

Consider done for now. Benjiboi 19:41, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

"I Am Your Gummy Bear" at DYK

DYK (December 10)

...that "I Am Your Gummy Bear" is a silly novelty song whose video features a "jolly and jiggly" lime green cartoon gummi bear and a 30-second video clip in eight languages (so far) is an internet meme? Benjiboi

Follow up for any comments/concerns. Benjiboi
Done. Benjiboi 19:41, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

John Forbes Nash

Hey, hon - I saw you've put the project banner on John Forbes Nash, but he's not in one of the LGBT people cats, his article mentions nothing about it. Help? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 02:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

See Talk:John Forbes Nash#Sexuality seems like there's something there but it (gasp) kept getting removed. Whether it's valid or not I can't say for sure but it seems something is likely and needs to be referenced. Benjiboi 13:56, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

AIV report

Hi Benjiboi, thanks for your AIV report. However, an IP can't be a vandal-only account. Accounts are registered users ;-) Snowolf How can I help? 14:26, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Err, not sure what I should have done different? Did you deal with it or do you need me to fill out something else? Benjiboi 14:44, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


Read it, love it, use it! ;) lmao -- ALLSTARecho 20:17, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

yes, some real gems tucked away, have you seen WP:SNOW? Benjiboi 20:24, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Report to WP:AIV (re:

May I answer your question [2] with another question? If so, how long of a block do you feel (talk · contribs) should have received? --Kralizec! (talk) 00:44, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

12-24 hours? 15 minutes seems pretty meaningless and this edit seems to demonstrate user has an advanced knowledge of wikipedia including templates. If "sneaky vandals" have their own category I would nominate this one to go into it. Benjiboi 01:55, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia's official policy on blocking states that blocks are used to protect the project from disruption, not to punish users. Since the IP in question vandalized zero articles are their block expired, it would appear that blocking for 15 minutes worked perfectly. --Kralizec! (talk) 14:24, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
You know what's sad, Benjiboi? Had you or I made those ridiculous edits, we'd be blocked for at least a few days. Maybe we should start editing as IPs. ;-( Jeffpw (talk) 14:32, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Had either of you made those two edits and been reported to WP:AIV, I would have absolutely declined to block. While jumping straight to a {{uw-bv}} warning may be questionable-but-allowed with an anonymous editor, doing so with registered editors who have a clean edit history would fly in the face of WP:AGF. To be honest, I doubt you would have received much more than a {{uw-test1}} or {{uw-error2}} warning, so I fail to see what you hope to gain by making snarky comments about an admin who is actually on your side. --Kralizec! (talk) 19:18, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
lol. I have to agree, whether we're on the side of snarky sodomites on not I did learn something about the nature of blocks. I used {{uw-bv}} because that's exactly what those little gems looked like. Regardless I appreciate your time on this and wish you the best of the best during the solstice. Benjiboi 20:48, 22 December 2007 (UTC)


Hey Benjiboi, I'm curious: why do you spell the intro section of an article "lede" rather than "lead"? :) Aleta (Sing) 21:55, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

It's the new spelling, honey. Surely if the Times is doing it, it has to be correct. Jeffpw (talk) 21:59, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Lol. Part of it is probably that I'm a miserable speller so lede is harder to mess up than lead and the other part is clarity lede is always the intro to an article whereas lead can be mistaken depending on context and those reading. I probably go it from this but I'm not sure. It also could be from one too many sips of holiday cheer. Benjiboi 22:04, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Interesting to see both of those, Jeff & Benji. I didn't realize it had such a historical usage, and it hit my radar as being like "rite", "u" or other cutesy spellings which tend to get on my nerves. I've learned something... but I'll still spell it "lead" myself.  ;-P Aleta (Sing) 22:13, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
You'll not get a job at the Times with that attitude! lol. Benjiboi 22:15, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
LOL! Maybe not... and almost certainly not in advertising. Aleta (Sing) 22:20, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Lol. I'm sure whatever you're offering will sell quickly! Benjiboi 22:24, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Ha! Uh hunh.  :) Aleta (Sing) 22:30, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

DYK nom - Clash of the Choirs

Updated DYK query Did you know? was updated. On 24 December, 2007, a fact from the article Clash of the Choirs, which you recently nominated, was featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

~ Riana 10:52, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Here comes Santa Claus

NORAD and the U.S. Air Force tracks Santa! As I write this, he's in India, making his way through the Himalayas! Yay! -- ALLSTARecho 15:41, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Psst. Santa is a polar bear. Benjiboi 15:55, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Now, Benji. Only people who want sticks and coal think naughty thoughts about Santa. By the way, I gave AllStar the NORAD number to call if you want to discuss the Santa situation with them. I already called, and they were most gracious, though understandable overwhelmed by the volume of calls they are receiving. Jeffpw (talk) 16:32, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh please, calling him a polar bear hardly is naughty - where is your thinking? (Hello...gutter calling - it wants its dirty ideas back!) Anyway, if Santa doesn't enjoy a bit of elf action the other 360+ days of the year I'd be quite surprised. Benjiboi 21:14, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Rescue

Template:Rescue has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Benjiboi 21:51, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

Xmas tree.svg Happy Holidays, fellow Wikipedian. :) --Dan LeveilleTALK 23:56, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much! And to you and yours as well! Benjiboi 23:58, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Joyeux Noël

The composer of my favorite Christmas carol.

I just want to wish my fellow Wikipedians a Merry Christmas! By the way, I wanted to send you an email. If you were curious what it was about, please email me. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 01:24, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Clash of the Choirs

beef refs, clean-up, add criticism? and DYK as group effort. Benjiboi

Done. Benjiboi 01:42, 26 December 2007 (UTC)