User talk:Bignole/Archive/2009/February

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Horror Newsletter

So now you'll know all the fun messages I receive. Good for you.  :)
Get back to me about what you are up for doing. I have to leave for work soon, but if worse-comes-to-worse, I'll still know your answer tonight when I get home. hornoir (talk) 14:54, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
I just replied to your last message on my talk page. Hope all is well. hornoir (talk) 04:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
There's a new fun and exciting task that needs to be done. It's listed on my talk space. Yes, you'll probably want to kill me. hornoir (talk) 14:34, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Friday the 13th

Interview with the writers. :) Alientraveller (talk) 18:12, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Bay announced the whole ROTF trailer is attached to it and it won't be in HD online until a week later. Obviously I've never seen a Jason movie but this is what reboots are for and they're meant to be campfire tales rather than to be truly repulsive. I might, I might. Alientraveller (talk) 22:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


You appear to have participated in a recent, silly edit war at Smallville. Before making further edits to the article, please proceed to the article talk page: Talk:Smallville#Order of cast list.

Note that you are also on the cusp of violating the three-revert rule, and may be blocked from editing if you continue to edit war. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 21:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

There isn't a permissible minimum level of edit warring, and I don't feel that there is any reason why my warning was out of place. Frankly, pushing a minor dispute to the edge of 3RR before asking for help struck me as a poorly-chosen course of action — particularly for a seasoned editor.
Please be aware that I genuinely have no dog in this race. I really, really, really don't care whether the current or original cast appears first. I can see arguments for both arrangements. I merely noted that our coverage is by no means consistent on this point, and you guys need to hash this out on a talk page somewhere.
I don't see how there's clear support for your position in either WP:RECENT or in WP:MOSTV. While MOSTV explicitly notes that actors retired from a show should remain on the cast list – a point not in dispute – I don't see any preference (implicit or explicit) for order of listing. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 22:08, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Truth be told, I'm not the person you need to convince. I genuinely mean it when I tell you that I don't care about the cast order. I will note, though, that other articles very easily deal with length-of-tenure issues by explicitly including that information in each actor's description (often as part of a table). Your arguments about how the article should be arranged would be much more useful on the article's talk page, rather than on mine.
Please don't make assumptions about what I'm assuming. Regardless of whether your edit warring was deliberate or the timing of your report intentional, you were on the cusp of a 3RR violation, and you were edit warring. At the time, you were behaving little better than the anonymous editor — who also deserved, and received, a warning. For the record, I have never believed that your intentions were anything but good here, and I'll thank you for extending me the same credit. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 22:39, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I would like to add a cast and plot section to Smallville (season 8), to the episode called "Bulletprof". If you want to take a look at what I have prepared, please visit my userspace: If you don't agree with something please leave me a message on my talkpage. Thanks.Sha-Sanio (talk) 20:39, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I would like to go to the bookstore tommorrow and look for books about smallville maybe you can show me where I can buy interesting books about Smallville, its production and development.ThanksSha-Sanio (talk) 21:03, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi again! If you already have the books, maybe you could lend this books to me, so that I can have a look at. I would really like to complete my article and add the production and development sections. Please leave a message on my talkpage, in case you could lend me these books. Thank you very much.Sha-Sanio (talk) 21:33, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello again bignole! You have contributed so much to the smallville articles and I wanted to ask you before I add something to the article. I would like to add Tess Mercier as new character in season 8 to the page characters of Smallville. What do you think about it? Thank you very much.Sha-Sanio (talk) 22:04, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I am trying to point out that she wanted the Prometheus suit, for whar reason ever. This was just for a start. What's wrong about it? Sha-Sanio (talk) 17:04, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I have updated the picture and provided a copyright and the source, the web site where I had it from. If you want to know more please take a look at the picture. Thank you.Sha-Sanio (talk) 14:27, 1 February 2009 (UTC) Is this enough information or is anything else necessary?Sha-Sanio (talk) 14:30, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I put an edit up on the Lex Luthor page and you said it was irrelevant. Then, since you were wrong and it was relevant, you called it OR and were sarcastic about it: "Try reading...". If that was your reason for the edit, you should have said it in the first place, and not been nasty about it. The sarcasm was hurtful.(Smallvillefanatic (talk) 01:30, 7 February 2009 (UTC))


I have uploaded a new image for Smallville season 8, I think it looks really good and fits well into the page. It looks really impressive. Please reply if you like it or not.Sha-Sanio (talk) 13:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I have suggested to change the image on the talkpage of Clark Kent. I have also found out that the last episode of smallville had the highest ratings of the season and that a press release has been published on this occasion and I would like to add it to the article but I don't know where. Maybe you could help me. Sha-Sanio (talk) 14:50, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi! Certainly you know the fansite Kryptonsite. Maybe you can tell me why I never could register there. I'm trying to do that for at least one hour right now. Amd I'm tired. Last but not least they are airing the new episode soon. Otherwise I wouldn't have known what to do with myself.Sha-Sanio (talk) 02:52, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Season 9

Then would it be okay to post a season 9 page? I figured we have a future section so we wouldnt make a page and then have to delete it if it didn't happen. Why wouldn't we post current events anyway? What if someone would like to know if the show will still air next year?ChaosMaster16 (talk) 01:47, 7 February 2009 (UTC)ChaosMaster16

Horror Newsletter (update)

Hey Bignole. Horror Newsletter is underway. I thought you might like to write the Project News section? Let me know if this is not something you want to do. You can find the newsletter here.

Oh, and just so you don't think I shorted us, it looks different on user talk pages than it does elsewhere; i.e. … Wikipedia:WikiProject Horror/Outreach/February 2009

Hope you like, hornoir (talk) 15:29, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Saw your list of suggestions and very much approved of them. I did alter some of the language to make it a bit "tighter" and split some things apart to highlight them. You can check it out in the live Newsletter page. Let me know if you approve; if so, I'll place the bot request to ship the newsletter out (which can take a couple of days anyway… but better safe rather than sorry, yes?). hornoir (talk) 22:02, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for catching my accidental pluralization. I created some quick templates to output FAN and GAN information and was attempting to insert them into the newsletter. From what I can tell, one the delivery bot accepts us (we're still in the queue), it might not deliver the newsletter until next month's issue. If this is the case (which I'm not certain it is), should we bother hand-delivering this issue or just patiently wait for next month to start deliveries? hornoir (talk) 14:24, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


Why do I get one of the feeling we've been talking to Boggydark? —Erik (talkcontrib) 13:44, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm not really bothered on my end; not really addressing him at this point. Depends on if you are? I don't know the extent of his so-called help. —Erik (talkcontrib) 16:00, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: multiple refs

Here is an example of where I am trying to do this. Could you do one, and show me an example? I am not getting it from your explanation on my usertalk page. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 21:42, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Horror Newsletter - February 2009

→ Please direct all enquiries to the WikiProject talk page.
→ This newsletter/release was delivered by ENewsBot · 02:34, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Maniac Mansion

I've removed the Wikiproject banner from this article. The game attempts to parody and mock the horror, adventure thriller and science fiction genres, its intentions are not "to scare, unsettle, or horrify the audience". Something like F.E.A.R. solidly falls in as horror, but this one doesn't. -- Sabre (talk) 01:06, 9 February 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for the heads up. I didn't realize there had been changes/reverts...probably should've checked the history. I forget how I wound up getting into the "confused" situation, but subsequent attempts to recreate the offending search have been fruitless. -- TRTX T / C 19:49, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Removing talk page comments

Please don't remove other users' comments from article talk pages, as you did here, unless they're obviously vandalism. The anonymous user was commenting on the article's content; your opinion that it did "not appear to be constructively aimed at improving the article" is not justification for deleting it. Thanks. Mr. Darcy talk 18:18, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure how you could interpret that comment as "forum chit chat." It was an obvious reference to the content of the article, and deleting it was an error. I've restored the comment and am asking you not to remove other users' comments from article talk pages again. Mr. Darcy talk 00:01, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

re: Friday

Perhaps not, but it is less inappropriate than the {{advert}} tag. Perhaps if this issue persists, you could start a content-WP:RFC on the article's talk page. Cirt (talk) 07:22, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

If the new tag was never explained on the talk page, it could be removed. Cirt (talk) 21:05, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Okay, sounds good. Good luck with the review! Cirt (talk) 21:41, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

300 edits

Nice job. :) - Arcayne (cast a spell) 16:18, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


Just wondering. Why are you pushing for resources on the titles? If they are wrong, won't we change them? ChaosMaster16 (talk) 22:41, 12 February 2009 (UTC)ChaosMaster16

Halloween 2..... again.

Rob Zombie's H2, among probably several other ones. I don't know what you, or anyone else, wants to do about it. Just thought I'd let you know. --HELLØ ŦHERE 06:20, 14 February 2009 (UTC)


Hello bignole

I've seen that you have uploaded a picture of Allison Mack wearing H&M clothes. I need one of these picturte to add them to the article about H&M. Maybe you could give me yours. Thank you.FashVic (talk) 07:44, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Jason Vorhees

I appreciate your contacting me, and, even more, I appreciate the time and care you took to go in and return undisputed edits. That was a lot of material, and I recognize the effort it took.

Why don't I simply add cite tags to what had appeared like unreferenced items? I'm a journalist who was researching an article I wrote yesterday, and unless I can check a reference, for quotes especially, we can't consider that material authoritative. If a professional can't trust a claim in an encyclopedia, that's a major rupture. So, we leave all that material you wanted, and I just add citations.

For the most minor thing we disagree on, the m-dashes, I refer to Strunk & White; they specify spaces before and after, with no distinction made between uses.

Conversely, while I disagree that an actor claiming that he can do a role best is notable, I'll compromise on that and leave it. What do you think? This seem like reasonable collaborative back-and-forth? -- (talk) 16:13, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

The cite tags I think fall under the "common sense" proviso. If a professional journalist — and I'm sure an academic would feel the same way — feels that a claim or a quote is not cited and thus is not usable, what purpose does that serve? -- (talk) 16:27, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
With my blessing, please go ahead and revert the merchandising section. (The lyric removal was inadvertent — nice catch.) I think the quote praising the band was off-topic and hype-y, but that's minor in the grand scheme of things. -- (talk) 16:31, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I was reading through (predictably negative) reviews, and Ebert thanks you for your work;

"So far in the series, he has been drowned, sliced by a machete in the shoulder, hit with an ax in the head, supposedly cremated, aped by a copycat killer, buried, resurrected with a lightning bolt, chained to a boulder and thrown in the lake again, resurrected by telekinesis, drowned again, resurrected by an underwater electrical surge, melted by toxic waste, killed by the FBI, resurrected through the possession of another body, returned to his own body, thrown into Hell, used for research, frozen cryogenically, thawed, blown into space, freed to continue his murder spree on Earth 2, returned to the present, faced off against Freddy Krueger of "A Nightmare on Elm Street," drowned again with him, and made to emerge from Crystal Lake with Freddy's head, which winks. I know what you're thinking. No, I haven't seen them all. Wikipedia saw them so I didn't have to."

How about making this a quote box in the Jason article? Minus the last bit of course, or not. ;) Alientraveller (talk) 21:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Happy Friday the 13th. :) I may go and see the film today, if it's showing here (think it is, but you never know), if I can muster the energy after work. My friend wants to go see it next week, so I may end up going to it twice. :P Be sure to send me your review.  Paul  730 06:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Glad you liked it, I've been hearing predictably negative reviews so it's nice to hear approval from a fellow fan. Where would you rank it in the series? As good as 4 and 6? I went to the cinema yesterday but it was fully booked, so I'll need to wait until next week. It'll be fun to see a Jason movie in the theatre. How was his look? I've seen photos, but it's not the same, you know.  Paul  730 20:46, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, none of the characters in III knew who Jason was. I know the writers deliberately wanted to avoid the whole post-Scream thing where the characters are super-aware of what's happening. How much Jason mythology is in the movie? I mean, they cast young Jason and Mrs. Voorhees so there must be flashbacks of some kind. Do they mention if Mrs. Voorhees became a killer? I'm really looking forward to it, especially after hearing your opinion. Btw, have you seen the covers for the DVD re-releases of the old movies? Not sure if they're the same in your region, but we have these cool new covers featuring blood-soaked weapons from the movie (eg, a corkscrew for 4). Also, I saw a review for His Name Was Jason and they basically said it was inferior to H25, because they have people who aren't even connected to the movies talking about them.  Paul  730 22:43, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Those aren't the covers I saw. I don't think the ones I saw are the proper re-releases because they had sweet FA special features. Probably just the same old DVDs with a fancy new cover in time for the new movie. There were Parts I - VIII, but I can't find any pictures online. Well, the review I heard (it was a podcast) said they didn't like how writers and actors from the movies (like dead fuck guy from 4) are basically shafted in favour of random "media personalities" who have nothing to do with the series. I'd probably enjoy it too, tbh. H25 was okay, not quite the "definitive" documentary you'd hope for, but they talked about the sequels more than some of the other docs I've seen, which was nice.  Paul  730 23:03, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, the ones I saw were just new covers I reckon. Pretty covers though, they all match, which is nice. Oh my God, I just went on that Crispin Glover's page and I had no idea he played George McFly. Went straight over my head. There's a surprising amount of familar faces in the Friday the 13th movies, like Lady Deathstrike. I don't mind celebrity so-n-so's talking away about the films, just repeating what I heard. I know Hugh Jackman is a big Friday the 13th fan, which is cool. Somehow I doubt he'll be on the doc, though. :P I was going to wait and see it with my friend, but I'm off tomorrow so I might end up going then. Who knows. Lol, are you just going again cos it's Friday the 13th? What did your girlfriend think of it?  Paul  730 03:10, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

your view on future films

hey. Something about how you edit some articles has really been bothering me. Now I know some of the Wikipedia policies. but you should kinda be less restricting on articles. Such as Halloween. When someone goes and edits that article there edit is deleted by you or... I forgot his name. but that kinda seems like no one except you or the other guy can edit it. Also you kinda seem like you are the ruler of the article. Now I agree that the upcoming Halloween film should be left on the franchise page but why not put a small mention of it on the Halloween page. Now of course not everything said is true. Now for the upcoming H2, I don't know if you have seen it yet but I have posted the link to the official H2 website (it's not up yet). Now as for an H2 article I had a similar problem when I was working on the Amityville Horror articles, I put a mention of the 2010 sequel and a few days later someone copied and pasted what I wrote and made it a article. Alright what i'm asking is why does it seem like no one can edit Halloween? Why when the F13 article first started was it deleted even though the trailer and stuff was out? and I know the Wikipedia policies. I hope this doesn't sound offensive or anything I just want to know so i don't get mad over something like this.--VampireKen (talk) 19:05, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. It helps me out a lot.--VampireKen (talk) 22:38, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Bride of Frankenstein FAC

Would you mind swinging back through the FAC and stating whether you support the promotion or not, and if not, what issues you would like to see addressed? The FAC is kind of at a standstill. Thanks. Otto4711 (talk) 01:48, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


So I saw it! It was very enjoyable, definitely the best Friday the 13th since Jason Lives and one the best in the series. I liked Clay as a protagonist, he's one of the stronger F13 characters, and Jason keeping Whitney alive because she looked like his mother was a nice Jasony twist. The second opening scene (with the campers) was just classic fun, with some cool deaths. The bear trap/camp fire combo was especially vicious. As a Jason movie, this was excellent, but as a horror movie... pretty awful. I think it had every cliche in the book. The ol' red herring jump scare before the real scare, the killer bursting out a window positioned conveniently behind the character, it was terrible. As a product of the Scream generation, I have to condemn this predictability. Whitney's line as she killed Jason was particularly bad, "Say hi to mommy... in hell!!!!" So yeah, it was fun fanservice but not exactly groundbreaking cinema, which I guess is what I expected. I got a bit antsy when Jason got close to the woodchipper, so it was a relief that he made it through intact for the sequel. Where do you think they should go next? Now that we've had a "definitive" Friday the 13th movie, what can they do? Just more of the same?  Paul  730 19:25, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

I didn't see it so much as a specfic homage as just a general horror movie cliche. Whenever you can see a door or a window in the back of a shot, you know that's where the killer's gonna burst through. It happens in all movies, even Scream, but it was painfully obvious in this movie. Maybe I'm just getting jaded. :P Yes, Jenna's death was a shock, I liked her. She must have been pretty pissed at Whitney for showing up in the final act and stealing her thunder as the final girl. She got totally shafted as soon as Clay found his sister. The characters were all pretty good, and the acting was above-par for a Friday the 13th. Lol, I liked how Lawerence was defined completely by his blackness, it was so funny how one-dimensional he was. I liked the boat scene, the bit where the guy got shot through the head with an arrow was a shock, being broad daylight and all. I hope Mears continues to play Jason, he was great.  Paul  730 23:07, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I love that moment in part 4 as well, but come on... you shouldn't reuse the exact same scenes. I'm being too nitpicky though, it didn't bother me that much. Lawrence settling for the fully-clothed women in the catalogue, and Chewie's "it completes your outfit" line, both got big laughs in my cinema. Also, Trent's girly scream made this guy laugh so long it started to get annoying... although it was funny. Whoa... did you just utter Friday the 13th blasphemy? Someone better than Kane Hodder? They certainly did make Jason nasty again, he was a bit of a care bear in FvJ, although I kind of liked that. The scene where he killed the stoner hick guy, and you caught a glimpse of his face, was really cool. Can't wait to pause that on the DVD.  Paul  730 23:49, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
I was reading Empire today and they had a feature on the Friday the 13th series. No new information, but it seemed very likely that they had read your Jason article. They didn't mention it specifically, but they talked about the Media Psychology survey, and a lot of the stuff in the pop culture section. Thought you might be interested. :)  Paul  730 21:11, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
They so read Wikipedia regularly. They must've checked today to see Sideways was confirmed as the Audi in ROTF for their trailer breakdown. Alientraveller (talk) 21:51, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Horror

Hey Bignole. I've been working to incorporate the B-Class criteria checklist into our template and it is now done. The criteria has shifted from five check items to six, so I think our project is the first to examine all six. Good for us! You can find my announcement here, including a request for people to start checking the criteria of current B- and A-Class assessment holders. Once they've been checked, I've got a little script to throw in the template which will default A- and B-Class entries to C-Class if the criteria is not checked (it won't do anything to GA- or FA-Class articles, even though they should also meet all the criteria). hornoir (talk) 12:32, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: "Incumbent"

[1]. Nothing about term implies that I'm making that assumption. Incumbent simply means they hold the position now, but might be gone later. - Richfife (talk) 19:53, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Errr... I'm not sure you're understanding what I'm saying, but I'm not sure how to restate it. "Incumbent" doesn't mean they're going to be holding the position the next weekend. Saying a film is (note use of present tense) incumbent on a Wednesday doesn't imply it will be the leader the following Sunday. - Richfife (talk) 21:07, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Note Barack Obama's presidential succession box. It says "Incumbent". Does that mean that they are saying he will win reelection? - Richfife (talk) 21:11, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Semantics. They are the incumbent weekend leader even during the following week just as the Pittsburgh_Steelers are the incumbent Super Bowl champions even though the game is over. - Richfife (talk) 21:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Better example: Right_Round. - Richfife (talk) 21:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
All of the "Number 1 (album or single) of the week" progression boxes worldwide use "Incumbent". These are all given based on sales for the previous week. It's a pretty strong standard. See: Poker_Face_(Lady_GaGa_song). Search for the word "Incumbent". - 01:26, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
"When" the information was gathered (all week, one day, Friday to Sunday) is beside the point as long as it refers to the past. The point is that the information is gathered and a winner is declared. A week later, the process repeats. The difference between Record charts and movie profit figures is tiny. Either way, by the time they're posted, they apply to the past. Also, I'd be shocked if someone saw the word "Incumbent" and thought that was some form of prediction about the future (especially since the date above hadn't changed). The claim that the word is "confusing" (more so the the TLA TBD) is absurd. - Richfife (talk) 02:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

H2 website and title

I noticed that you reverted a edit to the halloween franchise page because someone put the website was up. i added the link to it last week for non-promotional use such as updates suitable for the article (the link is on the franchise talk page.) i just wanted to mention its there for updates on filming and similar things. I noticed that the box on the halloween article says its followed by Halloween 2, does anyone know what this film is being released as? it might be H2: Halloween 2 but thats unlikely. VampireKen (talk) 22:00, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

I might have brought this up one other time but Dino De Laurentis owns the titles "Halloween II" and "Halloween III" and their storylines. Which from what I heard is a problem the writers have run into. The title I know they can't use (which is why everything is getting promoted as H2) and their apparently can't be any hospitals or Loomis blowing him and Michael up. but that's just what I heard, like you said we don't really know anything. Theres also a rumor that theres a very small chance that might become a problem for the article after H2 is released. apparently Tyler Mane signed on for "Halloween" "Halloween 2" and "Halloween 3" now that's nothing and I believe is something that is done a lot in Hollywood but also a rumor started that there might be an H3. I doubt it's happening but just a heads up in case a halloween fan comes and tries to sa something about H3 or something. The website for H2 isn't up yet (for obvious reasons) but like said I just put it up for future use. the place you told me to place the link, where is that?--VampireKen (talk) 01:35, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Betsy Palmer voice in F13 trailer

The trailer I saw a few weeks ago had her voice in it. the one on the F13 myspace is the same one as well. I believe (not sure) it's the one on TV also. I didn't realize it until after I saw F13 last week and realized the lines spoken in the trailer wern't in the new movie and that the lines and voice were from the original. So where can I put this?--VampireKen (talk) 01:40, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

The voice double is like what they did with Halloween: H20 right? with the Loomis part in which it is not Donal Pleasence right?--VampireKen (talk) 01:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

one last thing, can i put that controversy section on the franchise page? or somewhere else? thanks.--VampireKen (talk) 01:49, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I know social networking sites or blogs aern't refs but relating to Palmer if you would like to see the trailer they have out now (which sounds a lot like her but it could be double) just go on to their promo profile. as for H20 it was not Donald Plesence. I forget where I first heard about it, either the commentary on H20 or 25 years of terror, or it might have been Wikipedia. but the lines in H20 aern't the same as in the original Halloween. Here’s the link to the F13 trailer: (talk) 02:08, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm actually going to listen to the DVD of the original and the trailer. It can be tough to find but before I found out about H20 I realized it wasn't Plesence so I might be able to find out this. but it can't go on the article because it's original research. like you said we may never know. but why use the old lines? well... Nana Visitor's lines are like 2-3 minutes long or less so they probably didn't want to spoil the introduction of the new film (which is the greatest introduction to movie.) but who knows? It was probably because it was a reboot and they wanted something from the original in their promotions.--VampireKen (talk) 03:04, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I realized the trailer the night I went to see the new movie. It's not Betsy Palmer's voice. It never was. She talks fast and says different words and in different pitches. In the old movie it's "The councelers wern't paying attention like they were supposed to instead they were making love!" or something like that and in the trailer its "The coucelers wern't paying attention." in a calm voice. So mystery solved. That's a pretty good voice double. The interview said that even Palmer was fooled. but it never was her and the music is also present. She's yelling at Alice in the original but the trailer is her calmly telling what happened to Jason.--VampireKen (talk) 04:08, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Template talk:Infobox Film

Hi Bignole! More developments. Thanks for your time, I appreciate it.--Iswearius (talk) 20:46, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Template talk:Infobox Film

Hello again Bignole! Yet more developments. Thanks again for your time.--Iswearius (talk) 08:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Last House

No, but I haven't seen the original so I've not really been following it, nor did that trailer really mean much to me (it looks okay). You a fan?  Paul  730 01:29, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Ah, see, you've kind of lost me now. I might be a hardcore horror fan, I'm not a big fan of snuffy torture movies like Texas Chain Saw so your description is kind of a turn off. I've always been kind of peripherally aware of the movie as a horror fan, but I never bothered looking into it. I actually thought it was a haunted house movie because of the title. You never know, I might check it out at some point if only out of curiosity. I'm sceptical it'll be as graphic as you say though; I was nervous before seeing Texas and Hellraiser because of their reputations, and came away wondering what the fuss was about. How involved is Craven in the remake, if at all? I heard that he's staying away from Scream 4 unless Kevin Williamson writes a script that interests him.  Paul  730 03:03, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
It sounds pretty interesting. Are you talking about the microwave death I saw in the trailer? Because that caught my attention. I'm reassured by Craven's comments about Scream; it probably means the sequel will be really good or really bad depending on whether he does it or not.
Btw, kinda off-topic, but I'm currently addicted to a new show over here called Being Human. It's a totally cult supernatural drama (I heard about it from word-of-mouth and probably wouldn't know about it otherwise) about a vampire, a werewolf, and a ghost sharing a flat, and it's absolutely brilliant. Some cheesy bits here and there but rock solid characterisation and very funny. Just thought I'd let you know about it in case it ever comes to BBC America or Region 1 DVD; it's only six episodes and I think you'd really like it.  Paul  730 20:01, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Good point... never really thought about when microwaves were invented. I watched the original pilot last night on YouTube, it's very different. I know a lot of the fans of the pilot were annoyed with the recasting, but I'd already fallen in love with the series characters so I didn't like seeing other people in the roles. Here's the first part of the first (series) episode, it'll give you a little taste of the show.  Paul  730 20:09, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
The werewolf SFX wasn't that great in the first episode, but is improved in the second (we see a fight between two werewolves). It's a lot better than the Buffy wolves, put it that way, although that wouldn't be difficult. Tbh, we don't really see the wolf all that much; it's obvious the show has absolutely no budget so the fantasy stuff is kept to a minimum. Luckily the acting makes up for it. The werewolf, George, is my favourite character, he's so quirky and endearing. There's a hilarious scene later in the series where he's shagging this woman and wolfing out at the same time, and she's enjoying herself too much to notice, lol.  Paul  730 20:26, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

H2 production has started

hey. Just checked my myspace and got a Rob Zombie blog update. Filming started on Friday and production photos will be posted on Tuesday. I ask this a lot but how much production does it need to be notable for the new article (i'm fine the way it is now. we don't even know where this is taking place.). oh and I guessed this a few months ago but could it have been possible that it was Loomis that Laurie shot in the end? or maybe Michael stabbed Laurie (it's a rumor that's unlikely). She could have been dreaming too. the Loomis one might not be possible because Zombie confirmed Mcdowell was returning (but then again they credited Adriene King as one of the stars of F13 Part2 and she got killed off right away). Well just coming to give you this info that production has started and production photos are up on Tuesday.--VampireKen (talk) 18:20, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

The mask I forgot to mention. It was only molded in January. Zombie was trying to promote H2 and re-used a old poster or production shot.--VampireKen (talk) 18:42, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

He's survived getting lit on fire, eyes shot out (which was never mentioned later on). but still she shot him with a magnum, the guy who sold the gun to loomis said it would blow someones head off. We never actually saw where the bullet went in either (though i presume it was the head). Don't forget sirens were heard approaching as the credits began to roll. It could be a Halloween 4 repeat. As for location, I was thinking one day that maybe a college. A lot of fans think that also. Laurie and Annie go to college in georgia to get away from Haddonfield and then Mike shows up. Loomis comes and blows the place up. Who knows? we'll have to wait until August.--VampireKen (talk) 19:04, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

The blog is individual isn't it? but i'm sure it will hit google news. then we can find another source.--VampireKen (talk) 19:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I noticed the thing on the mask to when I first looked at it. I wonder if it was mentioned... i'll look later because I think there was a comment or two about it on his myspace when he released it. but don't forget it was early stages but the hole is big so maybe she did blow half his brains out.--VampireKen (talk) 19:09, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

It will stay there because it is a individual blog. There's a list of them. well we still have google news.--VampireKen (talk) 19:36, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

here's the list. In the bottom left corner you will find older ones. --VampireKen (talk) 20:00, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

AAW in the Lede

Bignole, regarding your comment inserted in this edit. I remember this being discussed, a year or two ago, and at that time there didn't seem to be any consensus. The argument making the rounds at that time was that it was POV. Well, I don't know if that's the reasoning that I'd use, but I do support leaving this "Academy Award winning" stuff out of the lead. My question is, where is this now written? I'll support this sort of thing by taking it out where I see it, but I'd feel much better about doing it if I had a page to which I could direct the little well-intentioned buggers who keep putting it in everywhere. Thanks! Unschool 06:55, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

refs for Halloween Franchise page

So today filming begins on H2! but that's not what I need to ask you. The refs for the future section of the franchise page need to be updated. I know whos staring but this is still Wikipedia so lets keep the refs updaated. The cast section only tells of one cast member. another article is below the ref for other cast members but like the myspace blog it should be individual.--Darkness2light (talk) 21:05, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

the ref! the ref for the cast. sorry I forgot to put it like that.--Darkness2light (talk) 21:06, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Task Center

We now have a Task Center for WikiProject Horror, so that the responsibilities can be shouldered by multiple individuals. Check it out and sign up (if you want) for a position: Task Center. hornoir (talk) 21:50, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Character images

Hey, just commented at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sha-Sanio. Sorry about all the trouble you were given about the images; I guess it made me realize how annoying I can be! lol. Hopefully the problem will die down soon. Anyways, I noticed that The CW changed their profile images for Chloe and Lois, and I don't really like the new ones. Are we required to use The CW's images, or can we just use IGN as the source for Lois' image? 01:11, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

But the old image is more of a profile shot than the new one, or is that what you are trying to say? Can't we just use the IGN ref as the source, and say that we cropped the image? 01:27, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Okay, gotcha. I had a look, but I can only find the full image, which itself has a low resolution. I also don't really like the Chloe image either, but I guess they'll have to do for now. 01:48, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Hopefully the block calms him down, rather than aggravating him even more. ;) Anyways, I was checking out Halloween (franchise) (amazing job, by the way), and I was just wondering why there wasn't a critical reception table, a la Pirates of the Caribbean (film series). Would you be willing to add it in? 11:43, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Okay, that makes sense. Btw, I haven't seen any Halloween or Friday movies :O, what did you think of Friday the 13th (2009 film)? (I'm guessing that you have seen it, or going to soon.) 01:21, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Excellent; I'll definitely download it once axxo or one of the others provide it. The last horror movies I saw were All the Boys Love Mandy Lane, which was very weird and boring, and The Mist (film), which had like the worst ending ever. Hopefully this'll be an improvement, and I must note that I generally like horror films which are critically panned/disliked, so it's looking good from me already! 04:24, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
I loved most of the events leading up to The Mist's final scene (haha, Doomsday's death scene was awesome, but sad), but the the end was waaaayyy to grim for my liking; the boy probably should've survived. (At least this way, there probably won't be a sequel.) If the main character had died with them, I wouldn't have really minded as much. Also, I hated the religion bitch (and shockingly, one critic thought she was "sexy", or something along those lines; eww), and the way to movie portrayed religion, i.e. fanatic people willing to kill others, made me kinda uneasy. The movie made it seem as if the main group were wrong for going against the "religious group" by trying to help others and then killing the religion bitch/psycho/retard/loser. The grocer was killed instantly after he shot her, and the "blind" people who followed her survived in the end. Really, it was one big stereotype and I didn't like it! lol, I guess that was my second-grade analysis. I'll try to find the Friday movies online (I found the Scream trilogy), and btw, I have seen Freddy vs. Jason. I probably didn't like it as much as others did because I have no idea of the history, and it was quite meaningless to me; still, I kinda liked it. Also, which do you prefer, the Friday movies or the Halloween ones? 07:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Well yeah, that's fair too; I guess it's just a movie, so I'm not really fussed. I really liked the twist at the end where that lady is revealed to be alive, although I had to read a review to realize that it was indeed her. It was a nice touch. The type of horror films that I hate most are those featuring a practically invincible "bad guy", and the group being killed are all stupid and unable to do anything. That's why I loved The Descent; finally, people (and even better, girls) fighting back! That was also another aspect I loved of Death Proof, but I don't consider that to be horror. 06:33, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Ah, okay, well that's still fun too. I guess stupid characters do drive horror movies a lot better than smarter ones do. 05:35, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

You probably already knew, but yes, Yes, YES!!! 05:01, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

H2 Production Photos

I'm going to check and see if zombie posted production photos on his myspace yet. If he did I'll link it.--Darkness2light (talk) 20:39, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Here Halloween movies has their H2 section up: (talk) 20:41, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

This will be very useful: (talk) 20:42, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

He might do what i think Michael Bay it was who took pictures of the Crystal Lake set of the new F13. Zombie might just take pictures of the set or Tyler mane in the mask.--Darkness2light (talk) 23:22, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


Just so you know, shooting started this week. Should the page be brought back?--CyberGhostface (talk) 23:52, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

What do we do with this

You reverted an edit on either the franchise page or the 2007 film but someone keeps replacing the franchis followed by with this: They just vandalized the 2007 page. Jpgr reverted the edits there and i reverted the ones on the franchise page. I don't know how to put this up for deletion or what to do with this.--Darkness2light (talk) 00:14, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Friday the 13th FA possibility

Hello, I noticed your request for Peer review! In addition to replying, I noticed that, as an avid horror fan, this article has plenty of opportunity. How would you like to work together on the article to help promote it? Do you have much time in the future? Cheers. Imperat§ r(Talk) 22:07, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Whoops, my fault. XD Cheers. Imperat§ r(Talk) 23:38, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Since you requested "problems" with the article, here goes ,in order of importance (Sorry for the incomplete state; I've gotta run. Will finish when I come back):


  • On hold Expand "Impact" section-relatively stubby.
    • Good luck...
  • Explain the individual documentaries (explain) a bit more...
  • Suggest rewording/rephrasing of lead paragraph:

"The franchise mainly focuses on the fictional character of Jason Voorhees, who drowned at Camp Crystal Lake as a boy due to the negligence of the teenage counselors. Decades later, the lake is rumored to be "cursed" and is the setting for a series of mass murders. Jason is featured in all of the films, either as the killer or as the motivation for the killings. The original film was written by Victor Miller, and was produced and directed by Sean S. Cunningham; later films brought in others for these positions."

*Slight factual errors-the "girls" are actually the counselors.

    • Just Fixed.

Copyedit Mistakes

*"Friday the 13th is considered one of the most successful media franchises in America thanks to the success of the films, but also because of the comic books, expansive merchandising that includes various toylines, video games, soundtrack releases and references in popular culture."-Never user "thanks to"; too informal.

    • Fixed
  • "The film series was never favored by critics, but still became a financial success at the box office." -Redundant
    • Fixed
  • Numerous copyedit mistakes in the "Overview" section
    • Fixed

Cheers. Imperat§ r(Talk) 22:57, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, in response to the specificity of the documentaries, I would suggest expanding what you mean; for example, one of them, Making Friday the 13th: The Legend of Camp Blood, doesn't have an article of its own; consequently, without creating an entire new article, you have to "make up" for the article. Delve into how the documentary rolled, give a brief (but full) overview about what's covered, that sort of thing. Sorry for the ambiguity; I just had to finish off my Calc. homework :/ Cheers. Imperat§ r(Talk) 23:11, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Ah, my apologies; I thought it was a relatively good and acceptable references, in which case it wouldn't be OR. And yes I know about WP:N; that was the reason I didn't suggest you start the article. :P Cheers. Imperat§ r(Talk) 23:35, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Re:Miner(or) items

LOL, to tell you the truth, I didn't realize it myself, but hey...that works. lol. --Hunter Kahn (talk) 23:07, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

  • Well, if you really feel strongly about it and want to change some back, I won't hold it against you or the GAN. But I'm a reporter in real life, and we're taught not to use anything other than "said" because oftentimes you are inadvertently assigning emotions to the statement, which raises neutrality issues. In reality, I understand things like "Stated" and "claimed" and "replied" aren't really a problem, but I prefer the consistency with "said" rather than the other words; from a stylistic point too, I just don't like them much. But again, if you want to add some of them back, by all means go ahead and I won't hold it against you. --Hunter Kahn (talk) 23:27, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
    • Ok, done. The article is in very good shape, it shouldn't take long to address the suggestions in the review page. Then it'll be ready to go. Nice work! --Hunter Kahn (talk) 23:53, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
      • It's passed. That has to be the fastest GAN review I've ever done. Nice work! --Hunter Kahn (talk) 03:05, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

H2 images

Here you go: (talk) 20:53, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I think Michael got Laurie--Darkness2light (talk) 20:55, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I wrote this earlier but exited without saving. I think Mike will be brought to the hospital morgue and as they are doing an autopsy he jumps up grabs a scalpel and starts killing people. There was something else I wrote but i forgot what it was. but i noticed tonight as i was watching the 2007 movie that when Mike grabs laurie's wrist the skin color of his hands are black. It probably (most likely is) a stuntman. oh i remember, Zombie says this film will be "realistic" and very violent, that's some info we might be able to use when a H2 article is created or you could add it onto the franchise page since it is describing how the film will be.--Darkness2light (talk) 02:38, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

He released 4 photos. do you know if the other three made it off of myspace?--Darkness2light (talk) 03:22, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

yeah, I just wanted to check. the others aern't major if you haven't seen them. One is his directing chair, another is Haddonfield. there is only three. the third is the one that is noted.--Darkness2light (talk) 03:31, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

He posted another picture of Laurie's face cut up. People were wondering who was playing Laurie so he posted a close up. It's on myspace though but just if you wanted to check it out i could give you the link. If its not on other horror sites.--Darkness2light (talk) 20:50, 27 February 2009 (UTC)