User talk:BilCat

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Yokosuka D4Y[edit]

Dear BilCat,

In a way this is funny. Usually I have a series of items when I do an edit and they are from several sources and places and I have to take great care.

This one was so obvious, and was double referenced in other WIKI pages, that I put this in as an "automatic"...I mean, why doubt something that is stated as fact on two other WIKI pages? In addition, since the Japanese acquired licenses from both Heinkel for the He-118 and Daimler-Benz for the DB 601, there must be a ton of historical verification.

Perhaps you did not realize that the "Aichi Atsuta" is the name of another WIKI webpage? There, under the heading about their acquiring a license was a nice simple paragraph that was a perfect lead in, so I did a cut-and-paste, except for editing the word "also" (since the license for the DB 601 was not already discussed).

You will also find under the WIKI page on the Heinkel He 118 (lousy photo of the He 118, doesn't give a real perspective of the aircraft, by the bye), the fact that they sold a license to the Japanese and that the He 118 formed the basis of the Yokosuka D4Y. It is mentioned both at the lead-in and in the body of the text where the two models sold to Japan were given the name/number "DXHe".

Guess I need to of these days.

James French — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:13, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

I checked both of those articles before removing your additions. Neither mention is properly cited, so I have no idea where that information comes from. WP is not self-refenencing, so all claims need to cite reliable published sources. I tagged those mentions as needing citations. - BilCat (talk) 23:30, 8 November 2015 (UTC)


Hi BilCat, I hope you're in good health. You helped me update some figures for Honeywell awhile back (I had and still have a COI). As of today (Nov 11) the lede has been outdated for anywhere from 2-8 years in its information. Would you agree it is about time for an update?--FacultiesIntact (talk) 19:30, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Sorry it's taken me a few days to reply. Just post a detailed explanation of your sources on the talk page. I'll look over them, but as long as you're citing reliable sources, it shouldn't be a problem. - BilCat (talk) 05:07, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
I have an updated version of the lede in my sandbox here. The specific references for the lede are below:
Thanks for the help!--FacultiesIntact (talk) 04:50, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Military dates[edit]

Hmm, I see what you're saying. Thank you for pointing that out. I wasn't aware that there was an exception in the rules for military articles. Personally, I don't think that exception should exist, but you are absolutely correct that I should seek broader input from the editing community on this issue. I will refrain from changing dates in any military articles until I do so. My apologies. Rreagan007 (talk) 04:58, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

No problem. It can be confusing. However, I doubt you'll get the DMY format changed, as, from previous discussions, it appears to have broad support from most former and active US military personnel who edit on WP. But consensus can change, so you can try to get the guidelines changed and see what happens. Thanks. - BilCat (talk)
I'll fix the rest of them. You shouldn't have to clean up my mess. Rreagan007 (talk) 05:10, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. :) - BilCat (talk) 05:11, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Israeli HH-65s[edit]

Hi, regarding that undo. Israel currently operates the AS565, but prior to receiving the Panther it operated several HH-65s. That squadron article needs expansion. See commons:Category:Eurocopter HH-65 (Israeli Air Force) and commons:Category:Eurocopter Panther (Israeli Air Force). Poliocretes (talk) 13:06, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

I don't have accees to your source, so I can't comment in what it says, but it seems unlikely that Israel had any HH-65 (SA 366 G1) Dolphins built in the US, as too my knowledge, they were never exported anywhere. I seem to recall looking into this before, and Israel used SA/AS 365 Dauphins from France, which some sources might have called HH-65s, but they aren't. This would probably better be discussed on the HH-65 talk page. - BilCat (talk) 21:36, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
continued on article talk page. Poliocretes (talk) 16:21, 17 November 2015 (UTC)


DO NOT EDIT WAR--Tipoùmàryôùl (talk) 10:04, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

I've blocked this sockpuppet. Nick-D (talk) 11:01, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Grumman F8F Bearcat[edit]

Note this passage from the article: There is considerable debate among sources as to whether or not the Focke Wulf Fw 190 influenced the design of the G-38. It is known that test pilots from Grumman examined and flew a captured Fw 190 in England in early 1943, and the G-38 has a number of design notes in common with the Fw 190 that the Hellcat did not, especially in the cowling and landing gear arrangements. However, no definitive evidence has been presented that these tests had a direct input to the G-58 design. Initial design of the Fw 190 began in 1938, the F8F in 1943, only five years apart; in retrospect the F6F design goes back to 1941, The Bearcat followed so closely on the Hellcat, that both actually saw service in World War II. That's why, technically, the FW 190 and F8F are in the same era. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 16:42, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Per note at top of page, article issues are best discussed on its talk page,not here. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 17:18, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Fair enough — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bzuk (talkcontribs)

File:British Gannet COD.4 on USS Randolph (CVS-15) in 1966.jpg[edit]

Hi, in 2013, you asked me for a photo of a Gannet COD.4. Now I found one, but only of a part of the plane. Better than nothing! I hope you are well. Cheers Cobatfor (talk) 21:17, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, you are relentless in pursuit of rare PD photos. - BilCat (talk) 21:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Russian Aerospace Forces[edit]

Does this edit make sense to you? Add any value? I think the editor is unaware that 1RR applies at that article. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:06, 26 November 2015 (UTC) ... nice flag though, haha

(t/p/s) It appears legit. The rename is cited in the lede of the Russian Air Force article. Tass reported it. Seems to come in effect August last. Irondome (talk) 23:05, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Agree, but we've still been listing Russian Air Force as the service, as it still exits, and probably will still be used in sources for a long time. - BilCat (talk) 23:11, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Yes, but without an article, or article re-name yet, it seems unnecessary bureaucratic pedantry. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:11, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Someone has created a redirect Russian Aerospace Forces. Dunno when. Irondome (talk) 23:26, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
It was created on 1 October this year. - Ahunt (talk) 23:43, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
So is that an improvement? If Russian Air Force still exists, I don't really see the value, especially in that edit at 2015 Russian Sukhoi Su-24 shootdown. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:48, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) The sources I've seen state August 1, 2015. A user tried to create an article at Russian Aerospace Forces, but aside from the Lead, it was mostly a copy of the Russian Air Force page. - BilCat (talk) 23:50, 26 November 2015 (UTC)