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The Signpost: 16 January 2018[edit]

IGI Global[edit]

That journal. Check it out. It is quarterly, costs in excess of $500 per year, and each issue contains only a handful of articles, mostly by the editorial board. I could not find it in the journal citation index: it does not seem to have an impact actor. IGI Global is well known as an academic vanity press: this may be resume inflation or it may be IGI looking for halo effect, but it is controversial, so requires an independent source. Affiliated primary sources are only acceptable for uncontroversial content, as you know. Guy (Help!) 23:34, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

My issue was with your removal on the basis that the source did not support the "emeritus editor" claim [1]. I checked the source, and it states that he is emeritus editor. You are also incorrect about it not having an impact factor, and the publisher is not on Beal's list. I'm also hard pressed to see how the subject being an emeritus editor of a journal is controversial. - Bilby (talk) 23:52, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
Ah, OK: there were two IGI vanity journals, I thought this was the one I removed more recently. I did check the page, it's there now, it was definitely not there when I checked. No idea what happened. Guy (Help!) 10:27, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Bret Weinstein[edit]

Hi Bilby, would you have kept my page about Bret Weinstein had I included more info about his work in the field of Evolutionary Biology and his recent appearances with Jordan B Peterson and Sam Harris? I'm asking so that I can improve the page and make it follow the guidelines. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skunkworks22 (talkcontribs) 01:33, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The deleted content was still WP:BLP1E. I don't think anyone is unaware of Weinstein's epic bout of whitesplaining, but the AfD was pretty much spot on IMO and this is well covered in the Evergreen article. Guy (Help!) 12:39, 30 January 2018 (UTC)


Have the socks been emailing you? They have me, demanding inclusion of the usual resume-padding. I'm not inclined to proxy for them, especially given the number of socks now blocked. Guy (Help!) 12:39, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

No, I have not been contacted regarding the article, except for the messages here which you reverted. - Bilby (talk) 12:40, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Igi global is not vanity press. It is indexed in web of science clarivate list (talk) 12:45, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

This book is not in the wikipedia biography Peter lang s the 6 ranked most important published of the world per SPI rankking list. Tracing Spikes in Fear and Narcissism in Western Democracies Since 9/11. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:47, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

he is editorial board member of two important journals, ranked as Q1 in Scopus Scimago. International Journal of Contemporary Hospitality. EMERALD Journal of Destination Marketing and Management. Elsevier.

Robert. (talk) 19:47, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

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The Signpost: 5 February 2018[edit]

David Wolfe (entrepreneur)[edit]

Has a very extensive "criticism" section, but the latest item seems well past "undue" to me, and you might wish to take a look there. I left a message on the talk page, but the BLP already has had problems in the past, and you might gain from gazing at it once more. Many thanks. Collect (talk) 23:11, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

OnePath Network Article[edit]

Hi, Bilby

For OnePath Network, (I admit it's a paid job, and it's the only paid one out of my 15 articles and +300 edits on various Wikimedia projects). But I tried to be as neutral as possible.

  • The first paragraph: Simple words about the company + how they publish their content + a brief of their work.
  • History: a simple introduction to the company's fundraising, no details.
  • Growth: Statistics from sources + Mentioning Main three members of team + 2 examples of reception earned by other prominent newspapers.
  • Content: Formal briefing of their programs.
  • Interviews: Neutrally giving examples of exclusive interviews made by the network.
  • Presenters: Stating names of presenters.
  • Awards: Plain mentioning of awards earned.

I used many sources (The Guardian, HuffingtonPost, ABC.Net, DailyMail, Daily Telegraph, Governmental websites and others).

  • Note 1: I searched for similar approved published Wikipedia articles (about Islamic online networks) to make this new one, I found AJ+ and followed it.
  • Note 2: I added Paid Contributor disclosure.
  • Note 3: (Update): I made some edits, removing what might be considered promotional or info that is not able to be verified.

Thanks in advance and sorry for any disturbance. عليّ سعيد (talk) 09:51, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Precious six years![edit]

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Six years!

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The Signpost: 20 February 2018[edit]

Do you have any suggestions about how I might help beyond writing articles[edit]

I am retired and might enjoy volunteering after years of working many long hours under stress in the IT industry. I read widely (mostly non-fiction and science related) and have thought about editing articles about books I have enjoyed, but not sure that Wikipedia is the venue for that, as Amazon, Goodreads, etc. seem to have taken precedence in Google.

Do you have any suggestions.


Gregorybarry (talk) 00:21, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

:I know thw stress of working in IT. :) I'll try and write a proper reply tomorrow (I'm currently stuck with some tight deadlines due very soon so I can't spend much time here), but there's always lots of little jobs that I find need doing - from cleaning up prose to checking copyright concerns. Some are more painful than others, but there's lots of jobs worth doing. To be honest, though, I think the most rewarding is working on articles, especially with others. - Bilby (talk) 11:51, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

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12 years of editing[edit]

Balloons-aj.svg Hey, Bilby. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee!
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RevDel might be needed[edit]

Hello, Bilby. I noticed that, earlier today, you removed an edit summary from the article on Andrew Wakefield, describing it as a "serious BLP violation". A few hours later, the editor who posted that summary repeated it on the article's Talk page (as seen here). It was removed (by the same editor) a few minutes later, as seen here.

If that summary was serious enough to remove from the article's page history, it seems serious enough to remove from the article's Talk page history, as well. NewYorkActuary (talk) 21:46, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

As this consists of deleted comments, I've passed it on to the oversight group and we'll see what they think, along with my earlier revdel. - Bilby (talk) 07:32, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the prompt response. It might be helpful to note that the editor restored those comments to the Talk page, with this edit. NewYorkActuary (talk) 19:32, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
We'll see what happens. I'm not sure they'll respond, but it is something they're in the best position to consider. - Bilby (talk) 14:12, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

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The Signpost: 26 April 2018[edit]

Catherine Deveny - Anzac days comments[edit]

Please do not engage in an edit war over this section. If you could discuss the section in the talk page. Given Deveny's recent comments on AnZAC day were mentioned in various newspapers in Australia, I think it entirely reasonable they are included in the article. Deathlibrarian (talk) 12:50, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

We can leave the section for the moment, but we need to make it WP:BLP compliant. - Bilby (talk) 12:52, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I'd like to make it balanced with her stated arguments, and any counters for those, to achieve WP:BLP. In her recent discussions about ANZAC day, she has proposed a number of criticisms, and some of the media had made counters for those, eg claiming that being a soldier is no more dangerous than being a roofer. I'm also going to add in some more references. She has been engaging in comments about anzac day for some years now, in a number of different media, and it has achieved notoriety, so its no longer just a one off twitter comment, perhaps as portrayed in the article previously - IMHO. Deathlibrarian (talk) 13:00, 27 April 2018 (UTC)


Hello! I would like to ask about the previously deleted page about PromoAffiliates, as it was very recently the subject of deletion, as was the page of what appears to be the subject's founder. I am trying my best to hop around and fix notable pages marked as "advertising", and would like to ask for you input on PromoAffiliates and Aaron Leupp (I hope I spelled that right). After some googling, it seems that resuscitating PromoAffiliates is worth the effort, but as always, I want your input on whether I should do it or not and if there is anything in particular that happened before that I can attempt to avoid this time around (I can't access the deleted page). The reason I ask if it's worth it is because it appears that the page was created by a sockpuppeteer and (Maybe?) a paid author, so I don't want to jump in and do work on a page that has no business being here.

Thanks again for your help! WikiSniki (talk) 02:15, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Both articles were made by paid authors, and per WP:PAID you will need to meet the terms of use and disclose your connection with the client if you decide to do any work on these. Neither appears to be viable at the moment anyway - in particular, the Aaron Leupp article was recently deleted, and it would be unlikely that things have changed enough to warrant a new article this soon after the AfD. - Bilby (talk) 12:11, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
Hello, thank you for your help! I'm not paid or anything, but I like to target articles that are mentioned for AfD because of biased language or advertising. I'll give PaidAffiliates a try because it seems to be notable enough, but I'll try to keep you posted if I have any questions about it. Thanks again! WikiSniki 14:39, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Shokugeki no Soma[edit]

Hi, I'm just trying to find some way to indicate the very prevalent fanservice aspect of this series in an objective manner. I don't think anyone should be able to read through this entire article and then be surprised by the more mature content in the actual manga or anime. Evidently ecchi is not a genre recognized by wikipedia, which I thought would be the easiest way to note this, barring that I thought those lines from the cited review would do. Can you tell me why you disagree with that more specifically? I feel I was quite literal in how I paraphrased it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:23B0:F2D0:8469:DED4:6C13:C59A (talk) 23:07, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

The reviewer's concern was not with the orgasms, but with the use of apparent sexual molestation by tentacles in cases where the food is distasteful. So I wanted to be a bit more careful with the wording. I'd be inclined to change the comment to the tentacles, but that isn't really ecchi as such, and is only a small part of the series - having a moment of something distasteful isn't exactly unusual, but the reactions to the good food is a major part of the series and seems more significant. I'm surprised to learn that Wikipedia doesn't recognise ecchi - we should fix that - and I agree that this needs to be mentioned, I'm just not sure on the best way to do it. I'll try to help once I finish with some commitments in the morning, though. Maybe we can come up with something? - Bilby (talk) 23:22, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
I appreciate your reply, and I acknowledge that I did cut some corners there in the interest of not taking up too much space on that subject. I added the "in spots" part to indicate that the reviewer wasn't necessarily put off by every instance. You're right that that isn't the best way to get that across because it would need to be noted what those instances were. In any case I agree it probably would be more informative not only for this series if ecchi was a recongized genre. I'm not really a frequent editor at all so I definitely would appreciate your advice at least finding a way to make a mention of this on this article. Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:23B0:F2D0:8469:DED4:6C13:C59A (talk) 23:52, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
@ above, for the show, if a scene did shown that for a moment, (a few seconds) and only once, then.. It is best to leave out. If it was to show the reaction from that "one scene." And if it was throughout the show. (Say if a 12 episode show and it has short scenes related to that, then if a genre that closely fits it. Can only be added if by a ref/ source.) Other than that, the edit from here showed this, <ref>{{cite web|title=Crunchyroll Ecchi Anime|url=}}</ref> as a link/ url to something that lists a bunch of shows to whatever genre it belongs to, isn't really o.k. to add... Then if one used a ref/ source just directs to a listed web-site that may have that peculiar genre(s) and all of its episodes, it isn't widely used like that. Under certain WP:MOS, etc.
But if a ref/ source does say it, like this one as this show has "harem." Then it is o.k. to add that named genre. Tainted-wingsz (talk) 00:18, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
Hello Tainted-wingsz, I can understand that distinction. I really just wanted any feasible way to make that aspect of this series known, and I apologize for using an unsuitable reference. Would crunchyroll's page for the anime, which does have ecchi tagged as one of its genres, be more appropriate? I realize now that would have been a better starting point, the way I chose was a bit backwards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:23B0:F2D0:8469:DED4:6C13:C59A (talk) 04:54, 3 May 2018 (UTC)
Well, it's just that, the named genre or "phrased word genre" on the wiki. It only tells it is a type of "slang", and not a genre. As it might fit under a different genre, but same concept. While I'm only one person, there might be others with their own opinions on that. Tainted-wingsz (talk) 13:35, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

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Hello! Sorry to bother, but I recently posted a new page at AngelSense that I would like to be looked over by you because I've seen you all over the place and you really seem to know what you're doing! I'm trying my best at creating new pages and I want to be sure that I'm doing it right (no subjective language, advertising, etc.) especially because it's a company page. Thank you so much for your help, I really appreciate it! WikiSniki 16:24, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Zhang Wei[edit]

Hello Bilby, can you please check if Zhang Wei (painter) is a recreation of Zhang Wei (Chinese artist) you nominated for deletion years back before I add the old AfD template on the talk page. Thank you GSS (talk|c|em) 13:03, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi! It is certainly a different person. I'll follow up the references anyway, but I figure it doesn't need to the Old AfD tag. :) - Bilby (talk) 01:00, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Oh, I see. Thank you for looking at it. GSS (talk|c|em) 05:38, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Your Help Needed[edit]

At some point I intend to run for admin, do you think I have any chance? If not, what do you think I need to do? Thank you very much --Kingdamian1 (talk) 17:19, 11 May 2018 (UTC)--Kingdamian1 (talk) 17:19, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

outside chance[edit]

you might be still on - [5] looks like an interesting trail there JarrahTree 01:39, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

It does - I'll look into that. Thanks! - Bilby (talk) 01:44, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
spy vs [ spy - i suppose wikipedia as a battleground hasnt been somethng I had thought would occur on little old innocent austraian content JarrahTree 01:47, 19 May 2018 (UTC)


Oh dear! I completely forgot. I hope you enjoyed yourself. Hopefully I'll remember next time and see you then. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:06, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Oops! Me too, though as it turned out I did participate, remotely, by cleaning up some of the mistakes made by new participants, such as adding a selfie to Adelaide. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 00:38, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
No hassles - we had enough people there, and Pru did a great job of running it. I also spent most of my time cleaning up some issues, but that's par for these events. :) - Bilby (talk) 13:34, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

some issues[edit]

That we have talked about away from here seem to be arising in all of the places South_Australian_Chamber_of_Mines_and_Energy, I am not sure my messages are being read or understood - thanks JarrahTree 05:03, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Just got your email. I'll have a look and see what I can do once I get this lot of marking done. :) - Bilby (talk) 06:57, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
This has become such a mess, I now recuse myself for any further presence there, it is as though there is no interest in reading the messages or replies, or understanding WP:COI, WP:RS, and subsequent editors work simply has shown there is really no interest in understanding. If you are not able to go there - I hope an interested third party or an admin can make a sound decision. Thanks for replying. JarrahTree 11:59, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
I have a bit more work to do here, but I'll do my best as soon as it is done. - Bilby (talk) 12:05, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
sorry to have bothered you - there had been an opportunity for the exercise be for a learning process, it seems more combative than collaborational, which is sad - it could have been a positive experience. JarrahTree 12:08, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
I'll try and see if we can work something out - the problem is timing, as if I don't get this job done I'll be in massive trouble come the morning. - Bilby (talk) 12:54, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
@JarrahTree: seems to have roped me in. I don't seem to have been able to do anything useful. Good luck, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:27, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
(BTW: It's obvious this editor doesn't own the copyright for the logo - even if they themselves created it, their employer would own the copyright. Pdfpdf (talk) 13:27, 30 May 2018 (UTC))
The logo issue is an interesting one. You're right, but the logo is also simply a typeface with some colours, meaning that it doesn't meet the threshold of originality for copyright protection. We should be able to use it once we update the license details. - Bilby (talk) 13:44, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for your patience, appreciated. JarrahTree 14:38, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Do with this whatever you like:

It's nice to see that at last you are replying. The next step would be for you to pay attention to what has been said to you and for you to reply to those comments.
The content appearing about SACOME on Wikipedia is outdated. - It has been pointed out to you that wikipedia is an encyclopaedia that records facts and history. It has been pointed out to you that facts that become out of date become history. This is NO reason to remove data that was once fact and is now history.
As i have been trying to edit the information - No, you haven't been "trying". You have been removing. This is called censorship.
its strange that the the old content keeps reflecting back - Why do you think this is strange?
i am not permitted to delete the below sections despite they being non relevant to the brand which i explained earlier in my remarks - Working backwards: no, you haven't explained; no, facts ARE relevant; no, you're not permitted to delete facts.
DIRT TV awards happened. They were sponsored by SACOME. They are historical facts. They are relevant.
Advocacy. Ditto.
Image of CEO: Are you trying to tell me he wasn't the CEO?
Pdfpdf (talk) 13:54, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

New request[edit]

Hello, Bilby!

I have cleaned up the language on Eddie Rosenstein to make it neutral. Could you be so kind as to reconsider the COI template, please? Many thanks ahead of time for your attention to this. TK FoOC (talk) 16:59, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

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What on earth was that about?[edit]

On my Talk page. HiLo48 (talk) 11:39, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

No idea, but as it seemed to constitute a threat, I reverted and blocked. - Bilby (talk) 11:45, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks HiLo48 (talk) 11:47, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

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Undelete request[edit]

Hi Bilby, an article created by User:Danimations on The Cliffs Golf Resort on Kangaroo Island was deleted back in January, IMHO mistakenly, given the strength of public opposition to the proposed sale of sensitive Crown land for the development. The sale was blocked by the Weatherill government, but following the March election a lease over the land was approved by the incoming Marshall government, and the issue remains controversial. Can you please undelete the article as a draft in my userspace? Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 00:25, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Done. :) It should be at User:Bahudhara/The Cliffs Golf Resort. - Bilby (talk) 01:18, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks! It may take me a little while to get around to fixing it, but it was a hot topic on a recent visit to the island. Cheers, Bahudhara (talk) 01:52, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for your work on this, gents. I agree that the topic is noteworthy and will only continue to grow in noteworthiness. --Danimations (talk) 04:08, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

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Guiler Wars Suggestion[edit]

I didn't revert on Guilder Wars because I don't want to be involved in any edit war. But it doesn't mean I endorse their edits. I directed them to the consensus reaching page about whether Guilder Wars is or isn't a MMO and warned them. JC7V-constructive zone 05:06, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

USS Joseph K. Taussig (DE-1030)[edit]

I see you deleted this page last night under G12 copyright infringement. I of course can't see the page now but it strikes me as unusual that a page on such a subject would be copyvio. I am wondering if the cause was text copied from DANFs or Hazegray which are open public sources which we are allowed to use? Lyndaship (talk) 09:06, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

The wording rang some alarm bells, and I found duplicate text in the wayback machine that predated it and claimed copyright. However, I was also concerned that it might have come from elsewhere, as similar articles I could find the public domain source, so I was checking into that when I read your message. As you thought, there was another public domain source that predated the copyrighted source that predated our article. :) Sorry for any problems. - Bilby (talk) 11:09, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Satanic ritual abuse[edit]

The IP address editor was back and there may be more to revdel. Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 11:44, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Peter Dutton[edit]

Please put this article on indefinite or 1 year instead of 3 days, because once 3 days ran out, the IP vandals will at it again, and there's high chance that Dutton will become PM in another party room meeting soon. Protecting a high conflict article is sooner better than later. Thanks (talk) 12:01, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

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Joseph K. Taussig Jr.[edit]

You deleted the earlier version of this article as work of a sockpuppet. There was another draft, with different content, in draft space. It has now been accepted. Can you please check that none of the listed authors (before me and SmokeyJoe) were known sockpuppets of the blocked or banned user? Thanks. Also, I have requested undeletion of the deleted page to my email so that I can improve the current article. Thanks. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:40, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

I was just writing a reply on AFC. :) - Bilby (talk) 23:43, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
Well, well. A strange sad story. Sad among other things that someone in Taussig's family, who is hiring the paid editors, doesn't have his honor. (I wouldn't expect paid editors to have honor, but one can hope for it in the family of a naval hero.) Robert McClenon (talk) 01:12, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Paddy Steinfort[edit]

Hi! I think you closed the deletion discussion for Paddy Steinfort way before its intended relist period. The relist typically lasts for 7 days. Also, the deletion consensus in its form now doesn't truly reflect the discussion. I think it may be wise to reopen the discussion. Bradgd (talk) 05:47, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

It had gone well past the date it would normally be closed, and the new influx of paid (and block evading) editors was going to do nothing but mess it up even more. - Bilby (talk) 05:49, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
The relist was on 2 September. It should be closed 9 September. Still, none of those who voted a 'Keep' are blocked. I still think it is the right thing to reopen it. Bradgd (talk) 06:02, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
It has been open for almost a month, and the !votes have pretty much settled. At the same time, two more paid editors have just been hired to vote keep, along with potentially others. I'll write a full rationale, but if we keep this going all we'll do is give time for more people to be hired, and I can't see any new arguments emerging at this point. - Bilby (talk) 06:10, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
How were you able to determine that they are paid? If so, is that an excuse to close a discussion before its date? The discussion in its form without much evidence serves a 'No Consensus'. Bradgd (talk) 06:16, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
I understand where you are coming from - personally, I'm generally loathe to play the IAR card, and in a normal situation I would have let this run out until the end. The problem is that with the advertisement still active and more people being employed, it is only going to get uglier and create a worse situation for the client. The advertisement is on Upwork, as was the original job to write the article. So far, four editors have been hired directly to edit the article - three to vote, and the original to create it - and a fifth person has been hired to work on background. - Bilby (talk) 07:10, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
Without much evidence, I think the closure has no point and you are being fanatic just because you don't feel their argument that the article should be kept. What I'd advise is you reopen the discussion, block paid editors if any(given you have strong evidence) and strike their votes. Bradgd (talk) 13:00, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
I do intend to block the various paid editors who were involved with that AfD. - Bilby (talk) 14:34, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
Do you have evidence that these editors received pay for voting? I understand your point and I'm actually willing to change my attitude if presented with a credible evidence. And sorry for not giving you the heads up in Deletion review. Bradgd (talk) 15:23, 7 September 2018 (UTC)


You might want to clarify your comment at the BLP talk page, everything was very well said and I agree with you 100%, but you also added this incomplete sentence "If this is what the proposed wording" below you comment. Tornado chaser (talk) 23:59, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! Typos seem to be my thing. - Bilby (talk) 01:17, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Your recent SPS edits[edit]

Hi, I'm JoJo Anthrax. Could you explain why you have recently chosen to remove citations to Retraction Watch, claiming the citations are "not needed?" I note that Retraction Watch has been found to be a RS and, in my opinion, the citations you have removed from Marc Hauser and Ariel Fernandez are rich in relevant content. Thanks. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 14:18, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

I've been informed that Retraction Watch is a self published source. Is that not the case? - Bilby (talk) 14:35, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
It is not the case. Retraction Watch is published by the Center for Scientific Integrity, an organization with a board of directors and independent funding (e.g., a MacArthur grant). Editorial oversight is provided by two professional journalists with expertise in science reporting, Ivan Oransky and Adam Marcus, who also author many of the articles. There was a discussion of Retraction Watch at the Reliable Source noticeboard a few years ago, with the consensus being that it is indeed a reliable source. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 23:51, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
I would like to interject a point that is often lost in these types of discussions, that RS and SPS are not mutually exclusive, some SPS are RS (expert blogs for example) but SPS are not acceptable for BLP content, even if they are RS. Tornado chaser (talk) 00:05, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
Concerns have been raised elsewhere that this is an SPS. If not, that's fine. However, I have only removed it in cases where there is better source available for the claims. There's not typically a need to have two references, if one reference fully supports the claim and is not even remotely questionable. - Bilby (talk) 00:28, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
Hm. Jytdog (talk) 00:42, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks to Bilby and the others for your comments.
Again, and as can be verified at the Retraction Watch (RW) site, RW is not a self-published source. Speaking to Tornado chaser's comment, exclusivity of RS and SPS is thus not an issue here. Could you refer me, Bilby, to the "elsewhere" at which the SPS concerns about RW have been, or are currently being, raised?
Regarding your other comment, could you also, for the edits being discussed here, identify the objective criteria that render the sources other than RW "better?" Additionally, I am unaware of any WP policy or guideline indicating that citations to single RS are preferred to multiple, independent RS. It is certainly true that for a given item sourced to USA Today, for example, it is unnecessary to also cite outlets from within the Gannett company, as the latter are likely to be highly similar to, if not cut-and-paste replicates of, the USA Today story. But that is not the case with the RW reports which, as you will know from reading them, are independent. Lastly, and in general, RW articles contain information often absent from other sources; e.g., detailed coverage of the investigatory mechanisms at the relevant institutions. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 15:25, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
The issues around Retraction Watch seem complex. Recently I've seen claims here that it is an SPS, and there are very mixed opinions on the subject when working through the WP:BLPN and WP:RSN archives. On the other hand, I agree that it doesn't appear to be an SPS. Most of the arguments I've seen as to why it is ok are based on how their claims are sourced. Given that, we have the option of either using Retraction Watch to with some questions remaining about its status for BLPs, or in cases where it is only being used in a BLP to source a statement along the lines of "this paper was retracted", just use the unquestionably reliable source of the original journal, which sidesteps the problem.
As to reliability, I think we can say that the journal which published the statement "this paper was retracted" is more reliable (as in, less likely to make an error) than a secondary source which says "that journal retracted this paper". Given that the second source is republishing what was in the first, the first is the most reliable of the two. This is the same as why we'd choose to go to the original source for a quote, rather than using a quote of a quote - I've seen people try the latter, only to find that second source they found was misquoting the original. If the original is available it would be the safer route. - Bilby (talk) 02:27, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the reply. I am pinging several editors who in the past have commented on this, or a related, issue/topic in various fora, and I thank them in advance for tolerating my presumption and for any comments/advice/wisdom they can add to this discussion, either here or at other article talk pages (see below). @Stuartyeates:@Nomoskedasticity:@Jytdog:
I have reviewed the various archived WP:BLPN and WP:RSN discussions involving, directly or indirectly, Retraction Watch (RW). The discussions I found date to 2015 and earlier. I do not see the complexity that you apparently do. What I do see are discussions for which a clear majority of discussants identify RW as a reliable source. Those in opposition to the use of RW as a source on enWiki were, for the most part, either operating under the false assumption that RW is a SPS (which you now also recognize is a false assumption), or the editor disliked RW because they were themselves a subject of RW articles; that is, Ariel Fernandez and his IPs and sockpuppets. In none of those discussions have I read any suggestion that RW is in any way inferior to other, "better" sources (using your term).
You earlier expressed a preference for using single sources, but I remain unfamiliar with any enWiki policies that favor the use of single sources over multiple, independent sources. I have not read anything in the earlier discussions that suggests RW is not independent, and in my earlier comment I explicitly noted that RW typically provides substantially more extensive and detailed information about the topic than other sources. It is precisely those features of RW articles that make me believe the pages for Marc Hauser, Ariel Fernandez, and List of scientific misconduct incidents have not been improved by your removal of citations to RW.
Although I understand the point, I do not agree with your primary v. secondary source argument of reliability to justify removal of RW citations in favor of brief, typically content- and context-free 'this-paper-has-been-retracted' announcements from journals. If I understand your argument correctly - of course I might not - and if we take major crimes associated with BLP as an example, according to your model enWiki should ONLY cite press releases from the relevant police departments/district attorney offices (what you term "original" sources of fact) and no media sources that report such crimes. I believe most editors would reject such a model, and if it was widely adopted the encyclopedic value of enWiki would be significantly weakened.
Lastly, and returning to the original good faith edits at issue, I am going to revert them in the next day or so. Along with those reverts I will also create sections on the relevant talk pages so that community consensus for the edits can be reached. I thank you for your civility and willingness to engage in this discussion. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 16:17, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
Ultimately, I have no interest in edit warring over this. I think that where we provide a retraction watch link we should, at a minimum, also provide a link to the published source that retractionm watch relies on, but that should be acceptable whatever happens.
I am surprised that you do not see the issue in teh discussions, though./ For example:
  • WP:RSN discussion: generally supportive, but Dr. Fleischman opposed, stating that w=e should just use their sources instead.
  • WP:BLPN More about using it as a source about a lawsuit, some discussion of reliability in general. Decision was not to use it.
  • WP:BLPN: same issue as above, no consensus to use
  • WP:BLPN: same article, slightly different issue. Short and the OP was blocked as a sock. However, other editors expressed concerns that Retraction Watch is an SPS.
There are some minor mentions elsewhere, but are you sure that this shows that it isn't complex, and there are no concerns? Certainly a number of people support its use, but equally it has had some opposition - my thought was that we could fix this by relying on the reliable sources used by Retraction Watch, rather than Retraction Watch itself. It side steps any debate while retaining the claim we are wishing to support. That said, if Retraction Wacth is not an SPS, and it has sufficient editorial control, I have no problem with its use. I think we'll find that this has changed over time, but I'm perfectly ok with using it if the story was published with editorial control instead of being an SPS. - Bilby (talk) 23:12, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks once again for your response. I remain unconvinced that there is "complexity" in those discussions with regard to evaluating Retraction Watch as a SPS (it is not, despite your use of the word "if" above), a reliable source, or even a good source. In most of the relevant discussions those expressing concerns are in a minority and include people with obvious COI (i.e., Ariel Fernandez). We also disagree with the notion that sourcing Retraction Watch should require that other sources also be provided - there is no debate that needs to be sidestepped. I doubt, however, that either of us will convince the other at this point. So let's see if consensus can be reached at the various pages...hopefully without any "complexity" arising from Ariel Fernandez's sock drawer. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 23:21, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
(Sorry for the delayed response, I've been on holiday) We should definitely use retraction watch references. Almost all the retraction watch posts are secondary sources (a few are house keeping, etc which are not) and the encyclopedia is built on secondary sources not primary sources. They are the acknowledged experts in their field. Sometimes they're citing sources that are primary sources for the information and sometimes secondary sources which may or may not be used as well (and definitely should be if there's a direct quote). Stuartyeates (talk) 02:14, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
I get the impression that there is a lot of confusion between what is a secondary source and what is a primary source, and when one is more reliable than the other. - Bilby (talk) 04:13, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

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This Month in Education: September 2018[edit]

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RfC withdrawn and restated[edit]

You had !voted at an RfC. I withdrew and restated it. See RfC on the intersection of WP:BLPSPS and WP:PSCI restated Jytdog (talk) 15:39, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 October 2018[edit]

Reply re: COI[edit]

Hello, and thanks for the post on my talk page. I appreciate the concerns, but I am only a subscriber to the magazine. I am merely using it as a source of new information to add to existing Wikipedia pages. There is no conflict of interest. I understand that this approach has dominated my editing lately, but I do have other projects in the works. It is just that these edits involving SI have been the ones to fit into my time constraints. Thanks again for checking in! Drobertpowell (talk) 13:31, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

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This Month in Education: November 2018[edit]

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Administrators' newsletter – December 2018[edit]

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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For your good work keeping BLP vios (and POVs) out of articles, even when difficult. Also, thanks for starting the discussions related to harassment policy Tornado chaser (talk) 17:52, 6 December 2018 (UTC)