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Stopped being lazy...

...and redid the mass rollback script the right way; it should no longer open up new tabs or completely thrash your computer. Writ Keeper  04:40, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

My poor, exhausted, ancient MacBook thanks you in a trembling voice. As for me, Writty, I wonder if you can perhaps also do something about the way it mucks up my contribs list? I mean, suddenly there are 400 contributions (all made simultaneously), making themselves broad and pushing actual contributions, if any, to the corner. Mind you, whether or not, I'm very glad to have the script. Bishonen | talk 22:45, 29 July 2015 (UTC).
That I'm afraid I can't do; there will always be an entry for each rollback, since each will be to a different page. Writ Keeper  22:58, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Never mind, it buffs up my thanks log; I was surprised to get thanked for several of these, after all, mundane rollbacks. Not for a great percentage, but still. :-) Bishonen | talk 23:14, 29 July 2015 (UTC).

Soham and close paraphrasing

I've just taken a look at one of Soham's edits since the topic ban. We already knew that they had problems with close paraphrasing. I looked at this, which for example includes:

When the Russian Empress Catherine the Great heard that Diderot was in need of money she arranged for the purchase of Diderot's library and for the appointment of Diderot as the caretaker of this library--at an annual retainer of one thousand livres. Moreover, she paid him twenty five years of his salary in advance. Overnight, Diderot became wealthy. He could not thus refuse her invitation to visit her.

The source says

When Catherine heard that he was planning to sell his library in order to raise a dowry for his daughter, she instructed her Paris agent to buy it at whatever price Diderot should ask; he asked and received sixteen thousand livres. Then she requested Diderot to keep the books till his death, and to be their custodian for her at a salary of a thousand livres per year; moreover, she paid his salary twenty-five years in advance. Diderot overnight became a rich man and a defender of Catherine. When she invited him to visit her he could hardly refuse.

This isn't as close as some stuff I vaguely recall having seen in recent weeks but it is concerning. Pinging Moonriddengirl because I'm not sure whether this might be a WP:CCI situation. - Sitush (talk) 12:05, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Well, there are definitely copyright problems. This edit includes blatant copy-pasting (as, evidently, did this). This one is uncomfortably close:
Source text Article text
According to a source close to Honey Singh, when the rapper received a call from Bhardwaj, he thought it was a prank, more so when he was told it was for song written by Gulzar.... After verifying the truth of the offer, Honey Singh is said to have set aside all his other commitments and rushed to Mumbai to meet Bhardwaj. At first when Honey Singh was contacted by Vishal Bhardwaj over telephone he considered it to be a prank call.[1] His belief consolidate when he was asked to rap on verses written by Gulzar.[1] After verifying the entire incident he set aside all his prior commitments and travelled to Mumbai to meet Bhardwaj at the earliest
I'm not sure if a full-blown CCI is called for, though. I generally look for 5 examples of outstanding copyright issues to make sure it's worth asking for community resources. It can take hours for me to review fully - especially where close paraphrasing is the issue instead of copy-pasting. (Copy-pasting - so much easier!) I jumped heavily through his history and didn't find a lot of problematic content that seems to cross the line into copyright issues. What I did find seems to be gone. Mind you, this is a judgment call and I'm not 100% sure I'm suggesting the right one. Without actually DOING the CCI, I can't be sure I'm not missing something major. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:45, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Those are quite old examples. My major concern (aside from any remaining outright copyvios) is that lessons may not have been learned. They've been told as recently as this month that they need to get a grip on the idea of paraphrasing but there still seem to be some near-to-the-bone things going on. - Sitush (talk) 19:50, 29 July 2015 (UTC)────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────

Moonriddengirl, i would like to clarify that none of the diffs you have given were to any edits of mine. This is because you are giving the edits of an editor named Soham; i am not Soham, i am Soham321. I would also have appreciated it if Sitush would have have had the courtesy to have pinged me when discussing something as serious as possible copyright violations in my edits. Soham321 (talk) 02:50, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

That is my fault: I called you Soham (a shorthand that Bish would recognise) and MRG picked up on that. I'd already spoken to you about these issues before and you seemed rather unconcerned. - Sitush (talk) 06:14, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
Then in that case, it is back to the drawing board for me. Update soon, I hope! --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:08, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
Okay, I see one lingering WP:NFC issue. The original of this massive quote is public domain, but there's no information on the copyright of the translation, which is what is used in our article. The book which is cited is almost certainly within copyright, with a first edition dating back to the 1970s. There certainly have been issues with extensive quotations. This rewrite of an extensive quotation was still an extensive quotation, taking more content than is necessary or appropriate under WP:NFC (content like "There was some discussion after this" is by no means required for our article and could be easily omitted), but it's no longer present. But I've done a pretty thorough spot-check and, while unable to view many of the books cited, didn't really find significant paraphrasing issues in the passages I view. Just as with the other fellow, I can't be sure I haven't missed something, but if I encountered a copyright issue at WP:CP and had a spot-check that looked like this, I would pursue no further beyond perhaps leaving a note explaining why paraphrase is important rather than stringing together quotations.
Not knowing what conversations have been had here before, Soham321, I'll just note that the bulk of our articles must be written in our own words and structures. Quotations can and should be used, but must be used "transformatively" - that is, to oversimplify, we can't use a quotation because we want to communicate the same information as our source, but must have a better reason, such as attributing a specific point of view. Where material from your source does not need to be in your source's language, it shouldn't be. And even if we want to use material transformatively - say, to attribute a point of view - we are limited in how much we can take. Wikipedia generally prefers to keep excerpts of copyrighted sources down to a few sentences.
Even if content is written entirely in your own words, it can be a copyright issue if you are simply appropriating the creativity of your source. So an article that summarized and briefly excerpted a single source or largely from a single source might still be a copyright issue. We have to be careful to avoid inadvertently creating derivative works, including unauthorized condensations of our sources (or "key" material from them). The best way to do this is to draw widely from multiple sources and, again, to ensure that the bulk of our articles are written in original language and structure.
Oh, as an aside, I see you often use (or at least have used) {{quote}}. This is for use with lengthier quotations. The bulk of quotes should be inline with your sentence. See WP:MOSQUOTE for more. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:15, 30 July 2015 (UTC)────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────

thanks for the feedback. Soham321 (talk) 13:22, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

A favour

I don't usually ask for favours, but you have particular expertise that could help me.

I've been involved in a nasty dispute at Talk:Zourafa where Gts-tg, the author of the corresponding article on Greek Wikipedia, has been edit-warring to keep a tag there claiming that the English article, written by Alakzi, contained content copied from his article. This has escalated to Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard #Talk:Zourafa and User talk:Gts-tg #Talk:Zourafa, where Gts-tg won't discuss his behaviour. I've been subject to several personal attacks from Gts-tg, who is unwilling to accept that Alakzi could have independently created the article here.

If you had a little time, would you do me the favour of reviewing the talk page and those sections, and telling me if it would be reasonable for me to seek a topic ban from Talk:Zourafa for Gts-tg? And if so, what the best venue would be? (AN? ANI?) Cheers --RexxS (talk) 13:19, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Expertise? I hope you're not suggesting I've become the go-to admin for topic bans? Dreadful fate. Either AN or ANI would work. Theoretically, community topic ban proposals are supposed to go on AN, because they're not about one incident, and because AN isn't archived as quickly. But the preference for AN is becoming more and more a dead letter. In practice proposals for topic bans are often put on ANI, perhaps because it gets more traffic, or perhaps sometimes because it's the only admin noticeboard the OP knows about.
However. The user seems to have resigned themselves to consensus[2] and is apparently on board with the DR being closed. In such a situation, you're never going to get a topic ban just because they're rude. It's rather strange the way they've been attacking you, I agree, but I think the best thing you can do is walk away. I've put a note on their page to urge them to disengage too. Bishonen | talk 14:17, 29 July 2015 (UTC).

Tunisian Arabic

Dear User,

Tunisian Arabic is nominated for GA Status. Please review this work and adjust it if he involves several deficiencies.

Yours Sincerely,

--Csisc (talk) 12:02, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Csisc. I see you have asked Dbachmann, too; that's a good idea, as he understands these matters. I, on the other hand, am extremely ignorant of them. Perhaps you might want to also try Kwamikagami or Peter Isotalo, both linguists. There, I've pinged them for you. Bishonen | talk 20:22, 1 August 2015 (UTC).

Your opinion

[3]? AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:36, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

+[4] Oversight?!? AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:02, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Alerted an oversighter, hmm... I guess the user meant to say something else. I don't suppose she thinks Monty Python references are "defamatory". Checkuser, probably. Alison is both. She's not around that much, though. Hasn't edited since July 27. I've written a comment beneath Atsme's on Alison's page, to point out that and related matters. Bishonen | talk 20:37, 1 August 2015 (UTC).
Thanks. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:40, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
The intended meaning, I think, was checkuser. I alerted the IP to this ongoing madness, incidentally. jps (talk) 06:00, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

This clearly merits a response

[5] AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:08, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the alert, Andy, but I don't think so. I'd rather let Atsme's heated accusations speak for themselves, and let the reader decide who they reflect badly on, if anybody. As your own words in the header imply, replying would in a way imply it has "merit". The ANI thread is bloated already, and especially has a lot of back-and-forth already. By my count, Atsme alone has posted 18 times in it. (Caution: I may have missed something, or au contraire counted something that was just adding a sig.) Sadly, I don't think the discussion has much chance of attracting uninvolved users at this point, because reading it is like climbing barbed wire. Please note, Atsme, that my pinging you here isn't aimed at bringing you to my page; it's just for courtesy, to let you know you have been spoken of. Bishonen | talk 08:06, 3 August 2015 (UTC).
Well if it isn't going to attract uninvolved users, it should probably - regrettably - be closed down. I'm sure that Atsme's behaviour will come up again soon enough, and at some point the community is going to have to act. AndyTheGrump (talk) 08:09, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, it might as well be closed down, I can't see it going anywhere, unfortunately. You or I shouldn't do it, but you might post a request for someone uninvolved to do it, if you like. With a subheader so it shows up, or they'll never see it. Or I will when I get home, I'm on the run. IMO it might be a good idea to open a dedicated thread proposing sanctions for Atsme, perhaps on AN. Bishonen | talk 08:18, 3 August 2015 (UTC).

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Thank you for the ping. I think it's only fair that if you're going to count my posts, you should've also counted the 27 posts by AndyTheGrump. But above all, you need to know the kind of editor you're defending and the position you've taken. He posted the following last night - [6] and ended his misinformation rant with, "You are beneath contempt, and the sooner Wikipedia gets rid of you the better.” I can't remember in my short history as an editor on WP that I've ever come across anyone so mean and hateful and hope I never do again. I'm concerned that if I don't get resolution for the behavior of the named editors at ANI, particularly AndyTheGrump, I will be forced to take it higher. Atsme📞📧 13:52, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You must have forgotten crossing my path, as I'm at least as mean and hateful as ATG. It's interesting that you would feel "forced to take it higher" - have you had a read of WP:BATTLE lately? --RexxS (talk) 14:52, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
"Higher" presumably means ArbCom, as opposed to for instance my page. Go ahead and take it there, if you think it'll benefit you. (I don't.) Re your "short history as an editor on WP", not sure what kind of scale you're using. You've been editing Wikipedia for three and a half years. You're an experienced editor now. Bishonen | talk 15:55, 3 August 2015 (UTC).
RexxS - sorry but I don't remember crossing your path. I do remember crossing paths with editors where kindnesses are shown and your user name doesn't ring a bell. I don't like to waste valuable time that could be spent editing to look up diffs to defend myself or provide evidence against PAs. I also don't hold grudges like what I've seen others do on WP. I admit when I'm wrong and try to avoid making the same mistake twice. No one is perfect. I do know that some members of project teams don't always act responsibly and have been getting away with things they shouldn't be getting away because of their sheer numbers. In most cases, admins are too busy to investigate the root of the problem - many see only the surface and trust in the comments of their buddies to guide them which often results in treating only the symptoms and leads to an unfair result.
As for my experience - my editing in 2011 was very limited - 20 edits or so if that many - and I made typical newbie mistakes. My edits caused no harm to anyone, and my work since my retirement has helped enhance the encyclopedia with rare u/w footage, photographs, and information about endangered species which is actually what we're supposed to be doing here, not attacking each other in these childish troll-like games. I didn't start editing and creating articles until 2014, but as a seasoned professional now retired, I think my experience is of the level that I know when I'm being railroaded, can tell when page stalkers are not demonstrating GF, what tag-teams look like, and when admins are protecting their buddies and each other. Fortunately the latter doesn't happen often. I've also seen a couple of ARBCOM cases where GF editors were railroaded but fortunately, that doesn't happen too often. It's all about apprehension and the time it takes to fully understand a controversial issue. Most editors actually do depend on administrators to be neutral but we also know there are a few admins who simply refuse to leave their biases at log-in. Atsme📞📧 13:43, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for that broad hint, Atsme. Have you noticed that I in my turn have given you two broad hints above that I'd rather you not post here? Please don't unless you have a factual question or comment about some of my admin actions — I'm always up for that. Bishonen | talk 14:45, 4 August 2015 (UTC).
No I didn't notice the hints, I made the mistake of AGF, and don't know what hints you think I made but will continue to AGF. I will also honor your request and ask in return that you stop stalking my posts on TPs. Atsme📞📧 15:31, 4 August 2015 (UTC)


Hi Bishonen, I hope you don't mind me putting in a word here. Soham321's talk page is on my watch list and I have been noticing the to-and-fro there. I think he has a difficult enough time dealing with his topic ban. Can you cut him a little slack? Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 16:07, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

He should know better than to put back a post containing anonymous advice for people who want to evade their blocks or bans, and he should know much better than to put back the anonymous troll's second post, which I had explicitly removed as block evasion. Sorry, Kautilya3, I appreciate and respect your input, and I understand the topic ban was a blow to Soham, but he doesn't get any more slack for such nonsensical actions. Bishonen | talk 16:19, 3 August 2015 (UTC).
They're now getting involved in stuff at ANI, if my watchlist is anything to go by. Given their numerous misunderstandings of policy, they probably should keep well away from that hellhole. Perhaps they will listen to you, Kautilya3 ? I fear it will only end badly otherwise. - Sitush (talk) 16:28, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

An ANI discussion involving you has been created

An ANI discussion involving you has been created: Soham321 (talk) 16:51, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Jon Stewart

I didn't initiate an "edit war." A person keeps deleting my factual post. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Impartial Scholar (talkcontribs)

Yes you did. And before you use terms like "tool" and "shifty" in a biography again, have a read of WP:BLP, particularly the part that says Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced – whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable – should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion. Users who persistently or egregiously violate this policy may be blocked from editing. If you don't understand what "poorly sourced" means in this context, then it's time you looked at how we identify reliable sources on Wikipedia. --RexxS (talk) 18:12, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
@Impartial Scholar: Also, please note that the "factual" parts of your post have not been deleted. The information about the meetings has been retained, and the sources you listed are still there, properly formatted. The only thing that has been deleted, by several different editors, is the accusations made on Fox News. If you want to argue that those comments should be retained, the place to do it is at Talk:Jon Stewart. --MelanieN (talk) 18:53, 3 August 2015 (UTC)


A project for you perhaps. Wikipedia:Today's articles for improvement.--BabbaQ (talk) 21:52, 3 August 2015 (UTC)


Respect, but how on earth do you wrangle this page with such an archive lag... Ogress smash! 00:54, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

[A little embarassed.] Wrangle? Wrangle? Oh, is it slow to load? Sorry. I don't like to archive… I love my talkpage posters… but OK, I'll archive. Conservatively. Just for you, Ogress. Bishonen | talk 14:49, 4 August 2015 (UTC).

@Mohanbhan's edit with @Soham321 sourced material?

Please see this.

Is it okay for @Mohanbhan to create wiki articles/sections in IPA-scope wiki articles, with material sourced by @Soham321? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 20:06, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Oh... yes, I think so. On principle. Whether the sources are good, and whether the article is good, is something I'm not going to look into at this time, because Indian philosophy is one of my many areas of ignorance, except in the most sketchy sense. I'm simply not the right person to do it, and so I simply answer your question as a matter of principle. I assume you ask it because Soham321 is topic banned from India-related pages? But Mohanbhan isn't, so far. Bans aren't inherited. Do you know if Mohanbhan has taken the material from Wikipedia? If not, one can assume that Soham has provided it to him privately. If you have reason to suspect that that happened during the topic ban, then Soham has violated his ban (again), and Monabhan has enabled that violation. That would be bad. Perhaps the best thing would be for you to ask them both about the circumstances? Incidentally, a while back, I wanted to ask you something privately (not connected with this), and was disappointed to find you don't have Wikipedia e-mail enabled. Is there a special reason? I mean, do you prefer not to have it, or have you just not got round to it? If it's your preference, you certainly don't owe me any explanation for that preference; I find wikimail useful myself, that's all. Bishonen | talk 20:45, 5 August 2015 (UTC).
(Talk page watcher comment) The article lede seems to have been taken from the Debiprasad Chattopadhyaya article - without attribution. Both Mohanbhan and Soham123 had been working on this prior to Soham123s topic ban, so I don't think there is any problem beyond a failure to note the copying, which is a mistake often made by people not familiar with what is a fairly obscure policy. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:20, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, Andy. In that case, I suppose the edit summary "Created with material sourced by Soham321" may have been a good-faith attempt to provide that attribution. Would you like to tell them how to do it, Andy? Or perhaps a tps would care to. I can't face looking it up, I'm running a temperature. :-( Bishonen | talk 21:30, 5 August 2015 (UTC).
Done. Look after yourself, and get well soon. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:37, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks very much. Cough, cough, sneeze. Bishonen | talk 22:57, 5 August 2015 (UTC).
@Bishonen:, @AndyTheGrump: Thank you, both. @Bish: never got around to setting up the wiki email. Tempting suggestion. I wonder if it triggers clutter/junk anon emails through wikipedia? Hope you get well soon. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 03:38, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
I haven't found it does; I get hardly any spam to the account I set up specially for wikimail. (Most people do set up a dedicated account, and I'd recommend it.) If trolls use the wikimail to write to you — something rare, in my experience — remember they don't know your e-mail addy. Don't reply if you don't want them to learn it. If you keep that in mind, you'll be fine. Also note that anons don't have the mail feature, they can't write to you at all. Bishonen | talk 07:36, 6 August 2015 (UTC).
But Sarah, your email id and name will be visible to others to whom you mail, whatever you are in your real life male/female, you don't use your real name in email. Don't use your original email, you create new email with your current username. Emails can be helpful in life of a Wikipedian, I think you should have email, you are good contributor to Wikipedia. Cheers. --Human3015Send WikiLove  07:54, 6 August 2015 (UTC)


I have posted at WP:ANI#Astme redux on matters which concern you. Thanks, Alexbrn (talk) 12:47, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Bish, about your remarks here, please re-review the block log here. Alexbrn you might want to consider changing your ANI posting in light of Bish's action, that I just linked to. Jytdog (talk) 12:52, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, shall I just close it and let things resume at the old section? Alexbrn (talk) 12:54, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
You could just self-revert as no one has responded and then decide what to do as things unfold more. Jytdog (talk) 12:58, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Annoyingly, somebody had commented just before I got there - so I've struck my proposed ban and mentioned the re-opened section. Alexbrn (talk) 13:00, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Thanks, Alex, but yes, after I'd posted to Atsme about the fourteen prods, I took a look at the original thread, un-hatted Georgewilliamherbert's hat + trout, and blocked Atsme for a month. There's a lot of consensus for some kind of boomerang. Don't you think so, George? It's not fair to constructive contributor to let this kind of time-wasting go on and on. If you had at least used Darwinbish's fishslapping template, OK, but a floppy trout? Bishonen | talk 13:04, 6 August 2015 (UTC).
Alexbrn, maybe consider closing it, which you can do since you opened it. Jytdog (talk) 13:11, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
What were you saying about my remarks, Jytdog — that there are in fact previous long blocks? Not really IMO — nothing that I regard. That soon-rescinded indef block from 2011 for posting personal information was just a bit of nonsense. Bishonen | talk 13:12, 6 August 2015 (UTC).
No, just that Callen blocked her not that long ago under an arbcom-mandated DS, which she contested at arbcom and then at AN when she sought to reverse the decision not to act on her protest. The block history is not clean. Jytdog (talk) 13:32, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
He didn't block her, as far as I can see (we don't need to invoke DS for blocks), he page banned her for a week. I didn't know about that — I don't follow Atsme, although she seems to think I do — I go out in the sun, that's what I do — but I don't think it impacts my block in any case. The only "real" previous block is 36 hours for edit warring in 2014. That matters, but there are still no previous long blocks, and so one month seems right to me. Bishonen | talk 13:41, 6 August 2015 (UTC).
I hear you. enjoy the sun - it is gorgeous where i am today and i will do the same. Jytdog (talk) 13:47, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Block of Handpolk

Howdy, I'm reviewing a request from Handpolk (talk · contribs) at UTRS. A checkuser was completed which showed their account was  Unrelated to the one you blocked them for. I'm planning on reducing their block to "time served", since the initial block was for 48 hours. Please let me know if you have any concerns. Thanks, Nakon 17:25, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

@Nakon: Could I ask you to review the activity on User talk:2005, WP:POKER and WT:POKER following Handpolk's block? Seems like too much of a coincidence that the intense "activity" by IPs as well as LowballChamp picked up just then. Favonian (talk) 17:30, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Certainly, I'll take a look at those before taking any action. Nakon 17:32, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Favonian. You surprise me, Nakon, but if the CU is sure, of course I don't have any concerns. Could you edit the DegenFarang SPI to mention the CU information and the unblock, please? (If you do unblock, in view of Favonian's note.) Bishonen | talk 17:35, 7 August 2015 (UTC).
I've taken another look at the links Favonian provided and am convinced that there's enough behavioral evidence to uphold the block. Thanks for the additional information. Nakon 17:38, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Just to pile it on, there's also the attempts to reopen some of Handpolk's AfDs, such as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ernest Bennett (poker player) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bob Ciaffone. Favonian (talk) 17:40, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Nakon! Favonian (talk) 17:40, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Discussion at ANI

Would you be willing to look at this discussion (WP:ANI#User:Xenophrenic's WP:TE at Talk:Ward Churchill academic misconduct investigation) and close it if you feel that's appropriate? It's going nowhere, only one editor is keeping it open, and frankly, I'm tired of the wikilawyering going on. Thanks, GregJackP Boomer! 02:05, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Just posting here to let you know that being an admin carries with it the burden of playing ring master for all sorts of acts....that and I wanted to see Laurel and Hardy dance...--MONGO 04:40, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Oh god so much to read… article talk… AfD… OK, I'm reading, I'm reading. I may actually close the ANI as "Oh god so much to read". Bishonen | talk 12:00, 8 August 2015 (UTC).
Well, that was a lot simpler than I expected. ANI closed. Bishonen | talk 12:36, 8 August 2015 (UTC).
I live just up the road from Stan Laurel's birthplace. Thought you all should know. -Roxy the dog™ (Resonate) 12:44, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
Of course we should. Checking… oh, Lancashire? I sort of assumed he was from London, like Chaplin. Laurel's childhood seems to have been a bit smoother. Bishonen | talk 12:53, 8 August 2015 (UTC).
(edit conflict) I spent a couple of summers in the Lake District when I was young, but never passed through Ulverston, so I can't claim any connection to Stan Laurel. I've seen Greta Garbo in New York, though, or at least a woman who looked like her. Thomas.W talk 12:58, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
That was probably me! Bishonen | talk 13:01, 8 August 2015 (UTC).
(edit conflict)I've just done some fact checking - I wish to correct my statement above. I live just up the road from Bishop Auckland where Stan lived with his grandmother for a lot of his childhood. The town is very proud of him, and I remember watching his movies right back to my childhood, mumble years ago. -Roxy the dog™ (Resonate) 13:05, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
You should be proud. Brilliant man in so many ways. I too have fond memories of childhood matinés with Laurel and Hardly, with a wildly enthusiastic very young audience. There was a scene where Hardy hangs from the top of a tall building, and Laurel hangs from his neck, I think, then slides down to clutch his waist, then Hardy's belt gives way and his trousers slide down, so Laurel hangs clutching his ankles, and then of course the trousers slide down further and Laurel hang from the trousers, which hang from Hardy's feet. We screamed and screamed! Not nearly as much fun watching it on TV — the timing of these things was designed (largely by Stan Laurel in the cutting room, as far as I understand it) to be accompanied by the screams of children. We weren't afraid — even the three-year-olds knew nobody would get hurt — we were screaming with delight. Bishonen | talk 13:30, 8 August 2015 (UTC).
That jig Laurel and Hardy does just reminds me of the same motion most humans do when I jump out of of the woods to scare the bahjesus out of them! Shhh...don't tell bishzilla!--MONGO 17:34, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
Hehehehe, scary Bigfoot! Users dance a lot like that when I bite their ankles, too. darwinbish BITE 18:17, 8 August 2015 (UTC).
Meh. I just watched two 7 year olds have the same reaction to an old Pee-Wee Herman movie (and this movie was before his career defining trouser scene in the Lancashire of Florida). He had his own dance too. --DHeyward (talk) 02:04, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Duck at Govind Kumar Singh

Further to this, we now seem to have another duck at the article. From long experience of the thing, Route1986 (talk · contribs) is Vermapriya1986 (talk · contribs). Do I really have to go through SPI? - Sitush (talk) 16:08, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Nah, I took care of it, thanks for the alert. Useful banner at Talk:Govind Kumar Singh, isn't it? Thanks for restoring it when an IP removed it recently. Having it there may be against some rule, but WTF. Bishonen | talk 17:04, 8 August 2015 (UTC).
P.S. Funny, the article doesn't say when Singh was born (though the category does, 1986, and it used to be in the infobox too). Surely BLP's are supposed to have the year of birth? I'm considering adding "born 1986 just like Vermapriya1986 and User:Route1986" to the lead.
Thanks. I was eyeing removal of the birth year category on the grounds of BLP / V. There is a category for BLPs with missing year of birth.
The banner is fine. I'm sure that it could be used elsewhere. - Sitush (talk) 17:33, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
But note that the category was added by Yobot.[7] The date and year of birth was then in the infobox, and I presume the bot saw it. Not sure when it was removed from the box — I can't see any way of using the otherwise very helpful WikiBlame tool to see when stuff was removed. (And I see the IP that removed my banner can be assumed to have been born in 1986, too. Sitush, when you revert that guy's edits, do you have to call them "good-faith"? It doesn't matter, I know, but it just rubs me the wrong way.) Bishonen | talk 17:48, 8 August 2015 (UTC).
Butting totally in - but that banner needs a pic of a sock pile or sock drawer... Ealdgyth - Talk 17:53, 8 August 2015 (UTC)
Ha. It might draw more attention from the civility police that way, and get removed… but yes, a pic would be cool. You want to add one, Ealdgyth? Like this, or maybe this? I couldn't find a sock drawer, on a quick look. Bishonen | talk 18:14, 8 August 2015 (UTC).
The Twinkle good faith thing is because I have been chastised far too often for ABF'ing, so it has become a more or less consistent approach to avoid being targeted by those who usually have little better to do here than chase the dream of a friendly space. It is rather hypocritical on my part and I don't think I've ever called one of these wrongly yet. I'll try not to do it in future but it usually takes a couple of reverts before I am satisfied that I'm dealing with Someone Who Should Not Be Here.
I'd be surprised if it was not me who removed the y.o.b. from the infobox. Life would be easier if that article could be deleted but, alas, even somewhat bizarre reality TV shows seem to create notability for their contestants. - Sitush (talk) 18:00, 8 August 2015 (UTC)


Thanks for dispatching Citadel48 with such alacrity. He had been driving me nuts for a couple of months. I like your quote for admins. Warm regards, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 06:41, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Hehe, alacrity, I like that. Thank you. Bishonen | talk 07:49, 9 August 2015 (UTC).

@Ghatus' repeated use of article talk page as forum

Hi @Bish: @Ghatus has been repeatedly posting forum-y generic discussion on Hinduism talk page, with this being the latest incident. The post reads, "BTW, are you interested to know about the History of Muslims slaves in India and worldwide? Should I name the sultan and their top generals. Truly speaking, Muslim rule started in the North India by Muslim slaves themselves...."

Recent past incidents by @Ghatus include: 1 (FYI, the closest version of the article at the time of this forum-y post is this and it has no mention at all of "sword" or "dint of sword". To my recollection this was not in any version of the article for numerous months before that time stamp.)

Recent past incidents by @Ghatus also include: 2, 3, 4, 5, with the last one not only forum-y but a massive copvio on talk page which @Sitush fixed here.

@Ghatus was politely reminded of WP:TALKNO in this post three days ago.

Are {{uw-chat1}}, {{uw-chat2}}, {{uw-chat3}}, {{uw-chat4}} warnings supposed to be served by admins? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 08:06, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Ghatus An administrator told me on my Talk Page to assume good faith and talk politely about 36 hours ago. I am doing so. Since then all my words are polite. Sarah can not debate with me and running here and there lodging complaints against me and my language. A lost case. Thank you Ghatus (talk) 08:16, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
Speak of intent? @Ghatus wants a forum-y debate. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 08:20, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
When two different versions meet, it's a debate. Otherwise, how can there be consensus?Ghatus (talk) 09:05, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
@Ghatus: The Hinduism article has multiple seasoned editors involved already. Your forum-y lectures, with or without copyvio, is repeated disruption. You have been politely given the link, WP:TALKNO, on August 6, which says:
Please note that some of the following are of sufficient importance to be official Wikipedia policy. Violations (and especially repeated violations) may lead to the offender being blocked or banned from editing Wikipedia: (...) Do not use the talk page as a forum or soapbox for discussing the topic. The talk page is for discussing how to improve the article."
But you don't respect what wikipedia policy is, and continue your disruptions. The forum-y posts including the massive copyvio was after the WP:TALKNO notice to you here. When I write 'speak of intent' above, I am referring to three types of disruption: disruption in ignorance, disruption with knowledge and intent, disruption with knowledge and intent after reminder. Your disruptions, @Ghatus, fall in the "disruption with knowledge and intent after reminder" category. Instead of introspecting, you are taking the battleground approach in favor of forum-y debate on article talk pages, on @Bish's talk page. Clearly, you don't want to respect WP:TALKNO policy of wikipedia. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 14:03, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Ghatus, please note that an article talkpage is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. Of all the instructions at the top of Talk:Hinduism, that's the only one that's all in bold, because it's very important. That said, Ms Sarah Welch, I note that most of your diffs above predate my warning to Ghatus on his page. It seems to me that his practice has changed in the past few days. The uw-chat warning templates that you mention can be served by anybody, but please be aware that they should be used sparingly (like other warning templates). Posts don't become more "official" or in any way better because they're "templates". On the contrary, a handcrafted individualized message in humanspeak is always better. It's hardly polite to speak in templates; they're best kept for vandals, not for good-faith users such as Ghatus. The copyvio that you mention, that Sitush removed, was several days ago. Ghatus, I note that Sitush reminded you politely on your page about copyright violation being a serious matter all over Wikipedia — not only in articles. You didn't respond to him, but I assume you took it to heart. Bishonen | talk 15:50, 9 August 2015 (UTC).
@Bishonen: Thanks. @Ghatus: As a constructive reminder, it is stuff like "BTW, are you interested to know about the History of Muslims slaves in India and worldwide? Should I name the sultan and their top generals...." that makes your posts a WP:FORUM / WP:SOAPBOX. What has "history of Muslims slaves worldwide" have to do with Hinduism article, or how to improve that article? Then you add stuff such as "Again,If you read little bit more History, you will know that ...." as you did here against me today. Your non-AGF presumptions about other editors is not only insulting, it feeds your soapy posts? Contrast your comments with @Joshua Jonathan's comments, the latter's comments include one or more reliable source(s), or request for information, focused suggestions and a constructive discussion on the article or specific ways to improve the article. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:07, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Some stroopwafels for you!

Gaufre biscuit.jpg For Optimists Guide to Wikipedia. I may plagiarize/translate this. Kleuske (talk) 13:14, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, delicious! I hope you do — I'd love to see a Dutch Optimist's guide. What do you say, Drmies, wouldn't that be cool? P.S, Kleuske, are you aware of MastCell's celebrated Cynic's guide? I wrote mine as a kind of minor companion piece to it, a Robin to MastCell's Batman, if you will. Bishonen | talk 15:03, 9 August 2015 (UTC).
  • I've never met a real Dutch optimist. Drmies (talk) 15:39, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
Face-smile.svg I'll make sure Batman gets what's due. But don't sell yourself short, the irony of your guide is sublime. Kleuske (talk) 15:47, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
I'm reasonably pleased with most of it, but not with the boring nutshell. Improvements welcome. Bishonen | talk 17:32, 9 August 2015 (UTC).
P.S. The page in question is here. Bishonen | talk 21:56, 9 August 2015 (UTC).


Well, it's not clear which edit *of mine* you think either infringes WP:Copyvio or any other potential sanction - all I did was reinstate material that had been removed by one disruptive editor. Ghughesarch (talk) 03:20, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

I've replied to this on your page, before I noticed you said it here too. Note also that you reinstated the copyvio with an edit summary showing you knew it was an exact quote. Bishonen | talk 03:30, 10 August 2015 (UTC).
So why aren't you taking action (if it really means so much, which it doesn't) against the editor who posted it in the first place? Ghughesarch (talk) 03:38, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
just to be very clear Ghughesarch (talk) 03:46, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
I will move this discussion to your page, to keep it all together, and reply there shortly. Bishonen | talk 07:01, 10 August 2015 (UTC).

Content Creator

In appreciation of your "Quote of the week," see Wikipedia:Content Creator. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:08, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Joshua. Cool quote isn't it? The sentiment has been voiced before, but "riff-raff" makes it colourful and lively. :-) What oft was thought but ne'er so well expressed, kind of thing. Bishonen | talk 14:28, 10 August 2015 (UTC).

Quick vent

I am so tired of spending half my edits babysitting noobs. I know it is my responsibility to be a good editor but I honestly just am so tired of holding people's hands. An unstoppable onslaught of edit-warring, totally silent editors Righting Great Wrongs is just so exhausting. I just want to edit some articles sometimes, you know? Ogress smash! 10:11, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Don't blame you. Did you notice the user created an article about Aung San's son who died at the age of eight? Oh.. yes, I see you did, you edited it just before it was speedied. I predict they'll sit out my 31-hour block silently and then return to Aung San. I'll try to keep an eye out. They edit from a mobile device, and I'll lay good money they're not aware of their talkpage, article talk, edit summaries, or histories. And limited English. :-( [/Me studies the portrait of Aung San with interest. His daughter looks a lot like him! ] Bishonen | talk 11:11, 11 August 2015 (UTC).
Three ANIs last night alone for 3RR vios (okay, one was a career editor who somehow is still around). Ogress smash! 18:18, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Hey! "Making it up"?! What are you implying?

You say that almost like you don't think I'm a Tier 1 Content Creator(TM). When I'm not permabanning innocent newbies, I'm all about MOS and referencing and templates and stuff. (Also, I knew Iridescent likes to use footnotes, so I looked at one of his articles and stole the coding) --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:21, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Well, it sounded a bit like one of ScienceApologist's newer usernames, only shorter, that's all. Or as if a darwinfish had plodded across your keyboard. But I hasten to add I've got it now. lr = lower roman, yes yes. Bishonen | talk 20:33, 11 August 2015 (UTC).


Could you please take a look at the edits made by user Lane99 on the article Murder of Anni Dewani. I understand that the user is for some reason annoyed by the coverage of the murder in a television show but it is sourced and correct. First trying to revert it and then when warned adding a biased text about the show being "busted", for me it seems that the user behind the screen knows someone in this case personally or has a POV opinion strongly towards the suspect being innocent. But in my opinion we do not delete sourced information just because we do not like it, or add a personal view on an article. I might be wrong but in my opinion the new edits added by the user should be removed as it is opinionated instead of non-biased. --BabbaQ (talk) 20:44, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Too late at night now for me to tell what is and isn't biased, BabbaQ; I'm cross-eyed. I'll take a look tomorrow. Thanks for letting me know. Bishonen | talk 22:19, 11 August 2015 (UTC).
OK, yes, they seem to have an agenda, but haven't reverted again after being warned by MusicAnimal. You've reverted all their removals, right? So the current problem is the "busted" addition, sourced to and the Telegraph. As far as I can see, WordPress.Com is simply a site where anybody can upload a blog or opinion piece! Ridiculous as a "reliable source". But possible the Telegraph is enough of a source, I'm not sure. I don't want to edit the article, as in for instance remove a source, because I may need to "admin" it later. I've added a YouTube link to where the Panorama can be viewed, though; that's just sensible. Bishonen | talk 10:21, 12 August 2015 (UTC).

Would you believe...

...that this edit has stuck for eight hours? This may be my finest achievement yet! This could only be topped by making the same addition here. Manul ~ talk 21:46, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

Still there..! (I've removed the extra egg.) Are the clerks all asleep? As for adding it to the template... hmmm... you daren't and I daren't... it's a job for Darwinbish! Bishonen | talk 22:14, 11 August 2015 (UTC).

Sanction length comment

Posted a comment on the sanction related to Trump article here as you suggested. Appreciate the consideration in advance and thanks for the note.Thomas Paine1776 (talk) 18:19, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Standard Offer unblock request for Technophant

Technophant (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Technophant has requested an unblock under the standard offer. As one of about 60 editors who has contributed to User talk:Technophant you may have an interest in this request. Sent by user:PBS via -- MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:48, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Not really. Anyway, I watch his page. Is that really what the MediaWiki message delivery is for? Bishonen | talk 16:50, 18 August 2015 (UTC).
Stop hand.svg
Please disregard this completely unnecessary warning

...(the preceding message brought to you by--MONGObot 18:04, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, dear MONGObot! Bishonen | talk 18:20, 18 August 2015 (UTC).


First draft is ready: User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/massProtect.js. For now, it's not very flexible: it'll only load on PrefixIndex pages, and only semiprotect things indefinitely with a canned protect summary. I have ideas for improvements, but this may do for now. As always, please be careful with it. Writ Keeper  17:17, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Bishonen | talk 19:21, 19 August 2015 (UTC).
Ooooh, it's shiny and new. What does it do? Can I have one too? --Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 20:48, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Nope, they're all mine. You've got mail. Well, in a bit, you will've got mail. Bishonen | talk 20:51, 19 August 2015 (UTC).
But it's a script with "mass" in the title! I eagerly await your email as I anticipate it may provide me with some negotiating material.--Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 21:00, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Ygm. You mean you hope it'll enable you to mass delete the wiki, and then you'll be able to "negotiate" some personal advantages? Not quite, I'm afraid. But you can make a nice mess with it, yes! "Please be careful with it", haha. Darwinbish is more determined than ever to become an admin, so she'll be able to wreak havoc with this script. Bishonen | talk 21:17, 19 August 2015 (UTC).

Toxicity report

It seems [8] your position as Wikipedia's only official Toxic editor is secure. I'd rather hoped I might have replaced you, but, sadly, it's not to be. However, I'm enjoying my summer immensely; my golfing handicap has risen to 24, which means I am now able to win money (£1.80) so far, and the cricket club captain has promoted me from Third Man to scorer (I have very neat handwriting apparently). I've been to stay with Aunt Catherine (who sends "civil greetings" to one and all); she's moved on from Monte Carlo - there was a little unjustified unpleasantness concerning her shuffling of the pack, so she's now playing Black Jack at Juan le Pins and giving elocution lessons to American tourists to make ends meet. Looking forward to our (sort of) return in the winter. Take care my love and don't be too toxic to the regulars. Giano (talk) 18:34, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

You're very toxic, darling, but you never took Jimbo to RFAR, did you, you or your precious aunt? Bishonen | talk 19:21, 19 August 2015 (UTC).

Emailing you

in a minute. Doug Weller (talk) 18:05, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

An AfD that might merit early closure

If you have a spare few minutes, could you take a look at this AfD, [9] and decide whether an early 'delete' close is appropriate? The subject is a 16-year-old, who has made it clear that he doesn't want the article (see discussion on my talk page [10]), and the claims to notability (as a musician) are clearly not going to be supported by anything resembling a reliable source. It seems to have been a misguided effort by his fans (or fan - see also the SPI [11]), and I see no reason why we should prolong this, since we are dealing with an article on a minor. It might be worth salting the article too. I thought about asking at ANI, but since closing it seems uncontroversial (I hope) it seemed better not to use the drama board. AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:42, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Sorry Bish, but I finally loaded the AFD closing script yesterday, and was dying to try it out (my first AFD where I didn't say "someone please close this for me"!). I saw this thread and couldn't help myself. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:00, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
...I feel unwanted now. —SpacemanSpiff 19:03, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
I saw this thread, and Mr Grumps talk. Exemplary stuff Mr Grump. -Roxy the dog™ (Resonate) 19:03, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. And thanks to Floq. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:06, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
  • You feel unwanted, Spacy? I feel completely unneeded. All I have to do for any problems brought to my page to be taken care of in an ideal manner, is to ignore them for an hour or two. Thanks all. Bishonen | talk 20:25, 20 August 2015 (UTC).
Hober Mallow would be proud of you. Another of my favourite characters. --RexxS (talk) 21:55, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

IP range block at ANI

As a heads up, I closed the thread you started at ANI because it duplicated an ongoing discussion in another section. See this section instead. To make it easier to demonstrate consensus if the range block is contested, the discussion should be kept together. ~ RobTalk 20:02, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Rangeblock for WOP

Ponyo had evaluated a /22 rangeblock earlier and figured it'd cause too much collateral damage, so the one IP at a time. Don't know if it's any different at the /23 level, but the range used is /22 I think. —SpacemanSpiff 20:04, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

There was indeed significant potential collateral on this AT&T mobile range. If you decide to keep the block it needs to be update to allow account creation.--Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 20:50, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
No, I'm fine with you undoing it, Ponyo. Bishonen | talk 21:22, 21 August 2015 (UTC).
Ok, lifted then. I was going to block it myself but was surprised by the activity level when I ran a check. P.S. A WOP is a Weary Old Person. There's a picture of me beside the definition. --Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 21:31, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Munching cheese

Thanks, and feel free to call on me. But I may not be back much; too many nationalists roving about. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:22, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

More on Rangeblocks

Hello Bishonen. There's an alternate range-contribs tool at which is just about always working. Best, -- Diannaa (talk) 23:34, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Barnstar question

Hi Bishonen, I have a user who posted a barnstar in my talkpage. But usually when someone receives a barnstar, they usually get a reason why they received it, which wasn't the case in regards to this. I received a barnstar of diplomacy but I'm not sure why. And what are barnstars exactly for by the way? Thanks :-) (N0n3up (talk) 21:59, 24 August 2015 (UTC))

(talk page stalker) Normally I’d say “ask the user”, but in this case I don‘t think that will help: the editor seems to have had a brief and erratic career, and hasn’t edited since being refused a couple of advanced user rights at the end of April; moreover another seemingly random recipient (from the same day) already asked such a question without receiving a response. So I wouldn’t give it a second thought; people do all kinds of odd things here …
In general barnstars are just one of the ways editors thank each other for their work, in a form that’s suitable for displaying as a keepsake in their user space. On any user-talk page (other than your own) you should see a “WikiLove” menu-tab, labelled with a heart, which offers a convenient way to post such messages. Or you can just add an appropriate template manually; the page linked at the beginning of this paragraph includes the wikicode for each item.—Odysseus1479 02:38, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Odysseus, Thanks for the info. I was about to ask TYTA Mahesh until I saw the user wasn't active since April. Normally before asking a question to a random user such as Bishonen in this case, I peeked to see if they were active users unlike TYTA Mahesh whom is likely to not answer. (N0n3up (talk) 03:42, 25 August 2015 (UTC))
Oddysseus is exactly right. Also, N0n3up, I've sometimes seen new users, who perhaps feel unappreciated, handing out barnstars in a rather random way, thinking it's a way to make friends. It always makes me a little sad for them, and I get the notion they're probably quite young. Bishonen | talk 08:10, 25 August 2015 (UTC).

Thanks Bishonen :-) (N0n3up (talk) 20:51, 25 August 2015 (UTC)) Now that we're talking, how can I know if my user profile is malfunctioning? Because everytime someone reverts an edit of mines it doesn't appear in my notifications and have to look at my contributions to see whats changed.... (N0n3up (talk) 20:54, 25 August 2015 (UTC))

There's a notifications tab in your Preferences, N0n3up, where you can select which kinds of events give you a notification. Have you ticked the box for "Edit revert" there? Bishonen | talk 21:36, 25 August 2015 (UTC).

Almost two years in Wikipedia.. I don't know how I missed that :/ Thanks! (N0n3up (talk) 16:47, 26 August 2015 (UTC))

Random Barnstars?
Random Barnstars?

What's wrong with...

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:04, 29 August 2015 (UTC).

I'm so honoured! This means I'm a big girl, right? Bishonen | talk 08:13, 29 August 2015 (UTC).

Helperbot prevents conversation

Thanks for looking, Bish. I just blocked the individual IP. Whack-a-mole. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:14, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Yeah. At least they're static moles. Who's Helperbot? Bishonen | talk 09:14, 27 August 2015 (UTC).
When you block someone reported at AIV, Helperbot is the bot that notices the account that's been reported has been blocked, and removes the report. So you can't go back and explain or thank or comment on any nuances to your block, because the report and all the comments have been removed. --Floquenbeam (talk) 13:59, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Right, I really knew that, just didn't remember. Yes, WP:AIV is not a tea party, unlike Bishzilla's pocket. Bishonen | talk 14:01, 27 August 2015 (UTC).
Welcome in pocket for conversation, little Floq! bishzilla ROARR!! 14:03, 27 August 2015 (UTC).
Do I have to talk to people? Can I just sit by myself at the window and morosely watch the last few days of summer go by? (Saw a tree with a branch of leaves beginning to turn pale yellow today. Sad. Not even labor day yet. Time to buy house in southern hemisphere. Can't imagine dealing with winter.) --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:08, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Feel free sit and mope. Bring little monster for conversation! Monster great conversationalist! [Bishzilla knows this isn't strictly true, but she remembers her romantic interlude with Floquenstein's monster through something of a rosy mist.] Also try moving north, not south! Bishzilla's arctic home still very summery! Leaves green! bishzilla ROARR!! 14:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC).


I'm sorry about the vandalism I reverted back to on Subcontrabass flute, it was my fault there. Again, sorry if it inconvenienced you in any way. ~Liancetalk/contribs 19:42, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

No, not at all, I only jumped in because I assumed it would discombobulate the new user. Still, apparently they mostly do do vandalism, so you shouldn't worry about it. Or did do vandalism, I see they've been indeffed. I'm glad Floquenbeam took a look, so I don't have to. Bishonen | talk 20:43, 27 August 2015 (UTC).

A request

Dearest Bishonen: Am I permitted to request that you revoke the one way interaction ban that you imposed on Collect after he falsely associated me with a Democrat Facebook group (or whatever the hell it was)? I would really like to allow him to say whatever is on his mind. I don't need to be protected from Collect interacting with me, as I am a big boy. Further, I find the expectation that I should be prevented from pursuing an WP:ARCA clarification for the Arbcom case that I initiated in March, to be as onerous as it is asinine. Many thanks. - MrX 20:33, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Well… let me think. Interaction bans IMO aren't placed just to protect people from each other, but also to protect the project from listening to bootless quarrelling, bloating up of noticeboards, etc. I would have advised you against filing a clarification request regarding Collect; it makes for an uncomfortable situation. But in consideration of the fait accompli, I agree that it's better to lift the one-way ban. Let me just go find where I posted and logged it, and I'll take care of it. Bishonen | talk 21:08, 28 August 2015 (UTC).
Your points are well taken. We will have to disagree on the advisability of filing a clarification request, for reasons that I carefully considered and am willing to explain (although I doubt you would care to hear). In any case, thank you for lifting the I-ban. I really do appreciate it. - MrX 21:26, 28 August 2015 (UTC)