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This user has been blocked from editing Wikipedia 3 times. And the last admin blocked by Jimbo. The LAST. Don't trifle with her.

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DS block for User:Giridharmurthy100[edit]

Hi - blocked this guy for 72 hours for violating the DS you placed on him - he was reported to AIV and I guess it was my turn. Did I do it right? Do I need to log it somewhere? I'm an AE virgin, so don't abuse me too much. ;-) Katietalk 19:10, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Katie. If I'd been around at the right moment I think I might possibly have warned the user after the first post-ban edit — not the actually first, which was so harmless, but this one — because they're so new, so genuinely green — not a sock, then, I think — and the topic ban template I gave them is in miserably bureaucratic language which more competent editors may well have trouble with. The templates are the worst part of arbitration enforcement. But I've spent the afternoon in the emergency room with an aged relative. (Comes to us all.) And really, blocking them is all good; they have no other interests than Kapu (caste), so my topic ban was practically a block, and we have to consider Sitush's sanity, too. 72 hours seems right, and very clever of you to use the uw-aeblock template. But haha, no, you're not done, are you kidding? [Bishonen slaps her knees and staggers around a bit. These virgins!] You're also supposed to log the block here. Look for my topic ban of Giridharmurthy100 and note your block right underneath. It's actually comparatively easy, the page doesn't have the thrice cursed tables that community sanctions do, that are the bane of my life; you just write it in humanspeak. Bishonen | talk 21:23, 5 June 2016 (UTC).
You are the only person I know who says AE/DS etc is "humanspeak". —SpacemanSpiff 07:00, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Okay, logged in humanspeak. This is an area with which I'm incredibly unfamiliar other than to know that India and Pakistan don't get along because reasons, so I saw 'topic ban' and 'ignoring it' and went 'stop that'. I didn't even know there was a template but Twinkle had it, so there you go - I'm all for Twinkle. Twinkle is the tao. Twinkle is the tai chi. Or something. You are all kinds of awesome for helping - thanks, and all my best wishes to you and your family. I'm almost there with my dad so I get it. :-) Katietalk 18:09, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
In this case, it wasn't a nationalist issue but rather one relating to caste. No practical difference as it falls under the same sanctions. Appreciate your intervention and we'll see what happens next, although those of us with experience can probably already predict that! - Sitush (talk) 21:57, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

'Zilla Beanie[edit]

Do you care to argue whether or not this image will be saved? It was just a lark I created many moons ago. I don't have the energy to argue unless you would like to keep it. Tex (talk) 14:18, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi Tex! How's the patter of tiny feet? I see a couple of Zilla's fans have weighed in, including a "pocketed" one,:-) but well, frankly... it was created for a particular party, wasn't it? I don't think she's any too likely to wear it again. That reminds me, I should clear out my own attic, too. Life is too full of stuff. Bishonen | talk 15:04, 6 June 2016 (UTC).
Things are good! Little ones are not so little anymore. Starting kindergarten soon...crazy! Hope all is well with you and yours! Tex (talk) 17:38, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Is it revdel or something? Vandalism on T/P[edit]

Hi Bish I wonder if you could strike this [[1]]. Cheers! Irondome (talk) 22:42, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
I think it's too silly to dignify with revdel. (Rather like my own rather primitive friend who just edited this page.) You know, too much attention. Bishonen | talk 22:46, 10 June 2016 (UTC).

‎Amendment request on arbitration decision against Rodhullandemu[edit]

You are involved in a recently-filed request for clarification or amendment from the Arbitration Committee. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment#Amendment request: Rodhullandemu and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the Wikipedia:Arbitration guide may be of use.

Thanks, --George Ho (talk) 06:03, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Lady Walford Davies[edit]

Dearest Mrs Bishonen, please do rush over to pages for deletion where dear Lady Walford Davies is under attack. It is a travesty of enormous magnitude, where are those gender gap women and Cis people when one wants them? Poor Lady Walford Davies is about to be deleted unless she marries another famous man, can you believe such a thing in the 21st century? If every woman who has only married one notable man is to be deleted, who next will we loose - Anne Boleyn? Winnie Mandela or even the dear Queen Mother: I can only say "birds of a feather....." If she was a plain, old uninteresting Mrs, like pop stars' and footballers' wives, no one would bat an eyelid at her having her own page, but because she is a very dear and personal friend of mine she is pillaged and insulted. The Lady Catherine de Burgh (talk) 18:22, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Well, I've done what I could, dear Lady Catherine, hinting at sexual scandal that one hopes will make the cis and trans people sit up and take notice. Bishonen | talk 22:43, 14 June 2016 (UTC).
Thank you My Dear, most kind. I can't quite get my mind around all this cis and trans, it's just all too confusing. I wonder who puts these ideas into their heads. In my day some men got married and others went to live on the Amalfi coast, and one or two did both. Women, of course, had far better things to do with their time. Except for poor Vita, who was very odd indeed. One would have thought with those unfortunate equine features, she would have been so glad to find a husband at all that she would have behaved herself. Harold though was very odd too, it wouldn't surprise me if he hadn't made one or two trips to Capri himself in his youth - he had a mustache and that's always a sure sign. All those strange books they wrote too, all that To and fro-ing from Lighthouses, it's quite obvious they had odd minds. I tried to read it once, couldn't understand a word and I am very well read, educated person. I wonder if they have goats on the Amalfi coast - I must ask my nephew, he's bound to know. Anyway, My Dear, I must run; it's 6pm and my cocktail shaker is beckoning. The Lady Catherine de Burgh (talk) 17:20, 16 June 2016 (UTC)


If you find time for it, please take a look at this comment and [2] by an established user. Calling someone a "sicko" and implying that it is not even enough to explain how they feel about someone is excessive and uncivil. Also the rationale itself for the AfD is uncivil in my opinion. I might be wrong but it seems to be over the top.--BabbaQ (talk) 19:23, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

It certainly doesn't sound good the way you describe it, BabbaQ. I'll take a look tomorrow. Bishonen | talk 22:45, 14 June 2016 (UTC).
OK, I've warned them. Another admin already had. Bishonen | talk 10:19, 15 June 2016 (UTC).
Thank you! There is also another editor Libstar at the AfD that once again taunts me, this is an annual occurence over the last few years with taunting messages about me. [3], [4] these are this years insults so far. And it always happens in June. He has already been warned not to write these kind of stuff about me in the past by you [5]. I can give you diffs of similar comments last year, 2014 and all the way back to 2011. Anyways, just notifying you. As an AfD is not the place for these kind of remarks.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:53, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
I also wonder why this kind of taunting is necessary by the user. He keeps doing this all the time. Anyways thank you for your assistance.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:53, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

BabbaQ has been shopping around at other admins User talk:Sergecross73 with identical complaints. I note BabbaQ's refusal to take this to WP:ANI. LibStar (talk) 13:40, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

And I note that as Sergecross73 notes I have the right to contact admins about situations. And that you continue to put fire on this argument at the admins talk page and at the AfD in question. My final word about this.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:44, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

And another admin contacted on the same issue [6] LibStar (talk) 13:47, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

The same MO I see as usual. Going on and on about one event or topic, while at the same time disregarding the comments of a admin and others. If you want me to not contact admins about your never ending comments about me every single June, then do not comment about me. Quite simple really. BabbaQ (talk) 14:02, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

I thought you said you were no longer going to comment on this? LibStar (talk) 14:03, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

These comments says it all. I rest my case. Also why do you keep fishing for my attention with comments like the one above. It is really not necessary. I will move on now. Goodbye.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:07, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
all I can say is WP:KETTLE. sergecross also pointed out contacting multiple admins was "unnecessary ". LibStar (talk) 14:09, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

User talk:[edit]

I'm not that fussed either way. But I just thought there was some kind of need to enforce rules? Or even try to engage in conversation? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:22, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

It now seems that User:Materialscientist has done the dastardly deed. Oh well, I tried. Thanks. We just have User:2001:558:6020:161:25df:cba7:cd64:6450 to worry about now, I guess? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:29, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

p.s. what a stunning Talk Page image, just beautiful. But that poor horse! Does it know it's about to be covered by a sea of flowers??

That IPv6 seems to be trying to get blocked. I'll be happy to oblige if there's any more nonsense out of them. About the horse: the photographer has told me that both the horse and the meadow are now gone. :-( Bishonen | talk 22:53, 15 June 2016 (UTC).
Horses can be such skittish things. Well, they existed, that's the main thing. Unlike Blodeuwedd, of course (?) Martinevans123 (talk) 22:57, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
You might want to consider to be bypassing their block per 2001:558:6020:161:25df:cba7:cd64:6450 (talk · contribs) contributions.--Jetstreamer Talk 19:04, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
I see what you mean, Jetstreamer. The odd thing is 2001:558:6020:161:25df:cba7:cd64:6450 repeatedly reverted's blanking of their own talk. I'll ask a CU. Not sure they can do anything with two IPs that are obviously not related as such, but maybe. CU can sometimes see… hmm… forget what's the proper way to refer to it… but see the hardware used, more or less. And they can have an informed WP:DUCK opinion. Anyway, I'll check Bishzilla's pocket for little checkusers. Bishonen | talk 19:24, 16 June 2016 (UTC).
Sorry, Jetstreamer, thought you meant me. Yes, I had considered that. But that didn't appear in the advice given to me by User:RexxS, so I assumed it was to be regarded as a "separate issue". Martinevans123 (talk) 19:27, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
@Martinevans123: Maybe. What bothers me is that both IPs are more or less making the same edits on the same topics...--Jetstreamer Talk 20:33, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Yes, indeed. We await the check of Bishzilla's pocket with interest. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:37, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Bishzilla just caught the little CU critter trying to escape through the catflap! The IPs can be assumed to be the same person. I've blocked 2001:558:6020:161:25df:cba7:cd64:6450 and the range I believe they have access to. Bishonen | talk 21:41, 16 June 2016 (UTC).
Suspicions confirmed.--Jetstreamer Talk 21:48, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Let's hope we don't get into any more Talk Page antics. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:55, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────@Martinevans123: It seems we're having another sock of this IP at (talk · contribs).--Jetstreamer Talk 00:40, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

This [7] blanking says it all.--Jetstreamer Talk 22:16, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Long time...[edit]

Hi Bishonen! Hope this finds you well and happy!! Randomly looked at your page and checked your "Optimist's guide to Wikipedia". Great stuff! I am well and currently in beautiful Guarujá, Brazil rather unsuccessfully trying to further my love life (TMI). But I really like Brazil and, especially, this city. --Lyncs (talk) 23:42, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Hiya Justa, so nice to see you. I trust you flew to Brazil under your own steam! Bishonen | talk 00:05, 16 June 2016 (UTC).
Steam-powered planes? Mind, the Brits had steam-powered submarines in WW1 so I guess anything is possible, even if not practical. - Sitush (talk) 09:35, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
All to the good for subs, they're supposed to sink. Steam-powered computers are a popular feature of the Steampunk type of SF. Reasonably practical, or so a devoté of the genre assures me. Compare The Difference Engine. Bishonen | talk 13:50, 16 June 2016 (UTC).
How do you think Glow-in-the-Dark Tin Fishys generate the electricity to power the motors if not by heating water past its boiling point...? People tend to forget that the once you split an atom, the energy released has to be then translated into a useable form. LessHeard vanU (talk) 14:35, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Wooh! It's the little user LittleHeard whizzing by again! [Bishzilla makes several swooping movements, attempting to catch the nimble little critter, but no luck.] Gone again! Now sad! bishzilla ROARR!! 20:56, 14 July 2016 (UTC).
You must be swifter in grabbing hold of that single precious curl Bishzilla! It's his only weakness! --Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 21:39, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Grabbed hold of user in March, my little Ponyo, stuffed in pocket, poured concrete over catflap.[8] But little escape artist still got out! How???!!! :-( bishzilla ROARR!! 21:49, 14 July 2016 (UTC).
Are you certain your didn't just catch this guy instead?--Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 21:54, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
And Steam-powered planes very nearly happened, props to Sir Hiram Maxim. Who says transatlantic Brits are clowns? . . dave souza, talk 15:24, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Another caste edit war[edit]

Care to step in re: this? They've had the sanctions notice and I've tried to direct them re: the problems. - Sitush (talk) 09:32, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

I'm on the run , but I'll take care of it as soon as I get back. Thank you for warning the user and attempting to discuss. Bishonen | talk 10:51, 16 June 2016 (UTC).
Done. I'm not as sweet as I look. Bishonen | talk 13:44, 16 June 2016 (UTC).
Thank you. That cheered me up, just as Wales scored against England in Lens. - Sitush (talk) 13:50, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Maestro's handmaidens sharing an account[edit]

Hi Bish. Ms. Molnarova, the PA of this maestro, who has been a real pain re his article over the years, has announced on my talk page that she is logging in and using the account of his former PA (Ms. Lapsevska). I left a note on her talk page about this, but she refused to acknowledge it and went on her merry way massaging his article. She also made a veiled threat of what the maestro might do if his wishes are not catered to, but that's relatively minor compared to the shared account. Anyhow, the talk page of the account she's using is User talk:Lienelapsevska (permalink to my message). Best Voceditenore (talk) 05:56, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I've blocked, and handed out some advice about disclosure, the Terms of Use, bla bla. Bishonen | talk 10:23, 17 June 2016 (UTC).
Thanks, Bish and for leaving the COI information for her. I imagine she'll be back with a new account and proceed where she left off. I'll be interested to see what happens next. What is it about these maestros? Here's another one from yesterday (or his PA claiming to be him) who just can't keep his hands off his article. Sigh. Voceditenore (talk) 10:34, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Closure at ANI[edit]

I hope your admin colleagues hold impromptu hallway discussions on my ANI thread at Wikimania. I wonder if I did something dadaist like requested Marek. Be. Restricted. From. Using. Single. Word. Sentence. Fragments, if there is some way I'll ever be able to swing "disrupted economic stagnation" on my CV. I throw myself on your or your colleague's mercy. EllenCT (talk) 13:54, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Ellen. I hope somebody closes the ANI soon, but I'm afraid it won't be me; I'm too ignorant of the subject and the conflict. I've never even disrupted economic stagnation.Bishonen | talk 17:19, 22 June 2016 (UTC).

Here we go again[edit]

I am sorry to do this but CA is at it again. I was going to let it go by because he wasn't causing trouble but he has been editing as an unregistered user. After I voted delete at one of his articles and it got deleted, he nominated three of my articles for deletion (Baby Grandmothers, Euphoric Id, and Sir Winston and the Commons). This is clearly a revenge maneuver and I would appreciate if it could be dealt with. If there isn't anything you can do, I understand.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 15:00, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @TheGracefulSlick: didn't realise you had a history with said editor, otherwise I would have put up a bit more resistance in nominating on their behalf.. Though it does explain why they stopped replying after creating an account was mentioned -- samtar talk or stalk 15:04, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
Samtar it is okay I understand. I just wanted you to be aware in case he seeks you out again. You did nothing wrong and I appreciate your response to this. In all likelihood Bishonen will put a stop to it before it gets out of hand.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 15:27, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
Note CA hasn't stopped nominating articles. He nominated another article, most likely because the creator is a close associate of mine on here.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 17:48, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Consider this, logging on to a retired account would create a sockpuppet problem and would violate WP:CLEANSTART. So what you are asking is to violate a rule. (talk) 07:09, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

And now consider this, IP: your big wikilawyering point before was that CrazyAces wasn't blocked. That was the result of admins leaning over backwards to be nice. I even unblocked him once, on certain conditions, which he has flouted. I have blocked him now, for six months. (Presumably he won't mind since he's retired anyway.) I certainly hope there won't be any block evasion! Note, the above IP post was made ten minutes after I blocked. And why did you remove my block message on ANI?[9] Bishonen | talk 07:24, 7 July 2016 (UTC).

The block is a block. You blocked an account based on allegations from TGS. An account that hasn't edited in 5 months in any manner. The removal of the message was based on an edit conflict and not deliberate. [10] Sorry about that, it was a pure accident. You and I both know that removing a block message does nothing to stop an actual block. CA wasn't blocked so s/he was able to retire and move on. So blocking an account that was retired seems rather and hasn't edited in 5 months seem rather... vindictive. TGS's is annoyed about the AFD's but if you look at the actual AFD's they have problems with sources (blogs), personal websites, and non reliable sources. One AFD is moving towards a merge [11] A notice was placed [12] and [13] but was promptly removed by TGS. The tags give an opportunity to fix articles. He himself places tags on articles. [14] If nominating articles from the same user is a problem, why is Alongstay allowed to continuously AFD articles from one user [15] ? (talk) 07:43, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

In other words, here we go again. I've blocked the 2607:FB90:249C:E1F9::/64 range for a couple of weeks for block evasion. Thanks, Niteshift36. Bishonen | talk 08:30, 9 July 2016 (UTC).
Thank you very much for protecting the page. I understand blocking the address will not make much of a difference. Hopefully your message will get through to him.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 16:43, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, Mdtemp. Yes, that's CA evading not only the block on his account, but also my block on the 2607:FB90:249C:E1F9::/64 range. Unfortunately he has access to mobile IPv6 ranges, which means that there's little point in my /64 blocks. I suggest this: if the IP starts with 2607:FB90: and it's a typical CA interest — both conditions must be met — then feel free to revert him per WP:DUCK, with an informative edit summary (for example "rv block-evading sock of CrazyAces489 per WP:DUCK"). Refer to me if you're challenged. Saving the diff for this post of mine might make it simpler. Bishonen | talk 20:04, 21 July 2016 (UTC).
PS, I've semiprotected Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ed Maley. Bishonen | talk 20:10, 21 July 2016 (UTC).
Bishonen I was watching a rather nasty discussion on User talk:ALongStay. Apparently, the IP, which is obviously CA, stated he wrote the article Ryushin Shouchin Ryu, which was created by the account User:Nihon-no-budo. However, I am not fully convinced that is CA because the writing style is somewhat better than CA's. Then again, I do not know why he would randomly choose that account if he was lying, and the user is fairly new so your guess is as good as mine. I'm not sure what to make of it, so I was wondering what your thoughts on it are.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 21:32, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
Looking at the overall contributions of Nihon-no-budo, I'm convinced CA was just blowing smoke. Also, considering the long-term abuse he's been perpetrating, I've indeffed. Bishonen | talk 01:45, 22 July 2016 (UTC).

Sorry to ask but could you protect my sandbox User:TheGracefulSlick/sandbox? CA has edited it twice, but it is supposed to be for me I believe.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 07:41, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Done. Bishonen | talk 07:46, 24 July 2016 (UTC).

Page mover right and rollback right[edit]

Hit Special:UserRights/Dorg2994 Dorg2994 (talk) 08:24, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I think you mean Special:Block/Dorg2994. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 08:26, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Look, you're new. If you don't stop trying to get random admins to give you rights, after what James086 told you on your page, it will be Special:Block/Dorg2994 and no mistake. Bishonen | talk 08:29, 7 July 2016 (UTC).
Hi, Dodo, long time! bishzilla ROARR!! 08:30, 7 July 2016 (UTC).
Hello, again! ::waving:: =) -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 04:50, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
Say hello to ma little friend!!! Muffled Pocketed 08:33, 7 July 2016 (UTC)


Just how I feel on this warm morning

Morning, I just wanted to confirm something I think you said in this section. So if I was to be blocked and then return under my IP you can't point out that the IP is the block evading CambridgeBayWeather? Right now I see that my IP says I live in Winnipeg, a place I have never been to. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 11:49, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Well, it just seems safer not to. IPs generally give some geographic information, even if yours didn't much, and I'd rather not share that with the world. Though Doc9871 may well be right that the only people formally prohibited from connecting an IP and an account are the CUs. (I see they are accosting me about this matter on their own page, I can't imagine why. A reasonably civil post on this page is of course never removed.) Anyway, say hallo to the outed horse at the top of my page, young arctic fox! Bishonen | talk 12:17, 7 July 2016 (UTC).
Come on, now! I am not accosting you. IP information is freely available to everyone. If someone edits while logged out, that would be OUTING and it would be oversighted. If sock account Mr. Jackass (talk · contribs) starts editing as IP XX.XXX.XXX, it is just simply not outing to tie the named account to the IP. Doc talk 12:29, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
  • I believe The Lady Catherine de Burgh enjoys the occasional outing, as long as it is not too strenuous and no ladies ride astride their mounts. And as I hear it, she is "reasonably civil" as a matter of course (if not pride). Softlavender (talk) 12:36, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
Ah, thanks. If I can work up a bit more energy than the pictured fox I will see about clarification at WP:VP/P. By the way my previous ISP gave my location as Whitehorse, Yukon, Kugluktuk, Inuvik and Cambridge Bay, only one of which was correct. Hmmm, before I was in Winnipeg and now I have moved to which is in Rankin Inlet, not a place I really want to live. Well, I must away and stuff a 19 year old female in my water tank. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 13:47, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
Really..? Are you a taxidermist now? (Was that in fact a stuffed fox?) Bishonen | talk 15:53, 7 July 2016 (UTC).
No an ordinary human female. It's a strange Arctic ritual. All our water is trucked in and sewage trucked out. Every few years we get our water tanks cleaned out. This involves draining the tank and getting in it. Given that there is 12 in (300 mm) gap between the top of the water tank and the ceiling it takes a really particular body shape to get in. The woman that is to do it this year felt that she couldn't get in. I felt that getting in was the easy bit but getting her out was going to be the hard part. So we are going to cut a hole in the ceiling and have a permanent access put in. So now you know why weird 60 year old white males are putting 19 year old Inuk women in water tanks. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 17:30, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
This could very well be one of the most fascinating stories I have every read on Wikipedia.--Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 18:37, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
I know! I'm proud to host it! Bishonen | talk 18:51, 7 July 2016 (UTC).
(talk page stalker) Could get you arrested any where else Face-wink.svg Muffled Pocketed 18:54, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
We even have an article on it. --RexxS (talk) 19:23, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
This sounds a bit like Victorian chimney sweeps in terms of the demand for small and often underage people who fit into tight spaces. If it's any consolation, CBW, here on the Big Island of Hawaii, most of us go through a somewhat similar but opposite ritual for our water, in that there is no piped-in water but only water we catch from our roofs into tanks. The tanks require regular cleaning and weekly disinfection. Once I found a very decomposed dead rat in mine. Yum... Softlavender (talk) 19:27, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
And I was reminded of the recent underground astronauts. ---Sluzzelin talk 19:43, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
Of course, the nineteen year-old may not be only female... Muffled Pocketed 19:46, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Well it doesn't have to be a female. In other years they have used males. We actually tried to put my 12 year old grandson in but he couldn't make it. The water is pumped up from a lake about 4 km (2.5 mi) from town through an underground pipe into town where it is pumped into trucks (just visible on the right). Every so often somebody claims that they found a fish in their tank. Not true as the filters are too small. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 10:43, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

You may still have fish in there, just not whole ones. I know of a Canadian city where a major brewery was having a tough time keeping their water filters clear. Apparently eels drawn into the city water supply intakes from the reservoir were being mushed by the city's filters, and the resulting goo was clogging the brewery's filters. As the brewmaster explained it to me, to keep their products tasting the same across the country regardless of the local water supply, the supply waters had to be filtered to an extremely pure state to ensure that all of the breweries were starting with the same water. In effect, everything was filtered out, and then any required/desired ions for flavour were reintroduced. The brewery was very popular with the filter media distributor. Meters (talk) 04:23, 9 July 2016 (UTC)


Hi i just saw the revert. i wanted to ask what is the reason behind removal of sourced material . All the theories exist, we beleive in that so why is that article only on the gujjars of india and not on gujjars overall of which the majority resides in Pakistan. Can you please add the material back as that has been verified by renowned historians not by me personally. I would appreciate this. This guy louis argon has removed plenty of sourced material which means we cant even put information with references. can you please have a look in this matter. Saladin1987 19:16, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

It's not about the number of references, Saladin1987, but about the quality. To be a reliable source, it's not enough for a theory to exist — far from it. Please use academic and up-to-date sources. Do not on any account use sources as old as Cunningham (1871) (even if he is renowned). And as for the Global Journal of Engineering, Science and Social Science Studies, it's an obscure journal which shouldn't be used. See this note on the article talkpage by User:Doug Weller. Do you ever read the talkpage? It would be much better to discuss sources there, with people who are knowledgeable on the subject. I'm not; I'm just an admin. For instance, asking your question there, and for example replying to Doug's post, would be more constructive than asking me about it. It's what article talkpages are for. Bishonen | talk 19:50, 7 July 2016 (UTC).


Hello Bish. FYI I have just posted a level-3-warning on their talk page for unexplained and undiscussed POV removal of sourced content on Gilgit-Baltistan and History of Gilgit-Baltistan, edits that show that Saladin is back to his old habits (check his talk page for previous warnings and his block log for what he has been blocked for...). Cheers /Tom Thomas.W talk 21:17, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes, it's time. I don't know why he ignored my reply above and stated he was still waiting for it. Anyway, topic banned for six months. Bishonen | talk 10:38, 8 July 2016 (UTC).
Dear Bishonen, there are other users that are ready to reinstate the problematic stuff of Saladin1987 [18]. You would see perfectly sourced content deleted and replaced with Saladin's OR (with two spurious citations, p. 297 of the book is the last page of the index!) Perhaps a warning would be in order? In fact, the only thing this user seems to do in a day's work is to revert me or other editors that he wants to pick on [19]. It is becoming a huge time sink. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:51, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Contributions with seconds[edit]

Re our discussion here, I thought I should give that page a rest so am replying here. It's a bit weird, but it is possible to see a timestamp including seconds, and I think I once saw a mention of a JavaScript tool that includes that feature. However, with patience you can construct the URL needed:
&ucdir=newer                        show oldest contrib first
&ucuser=Bishonen                    user name with "_" instead of space
&ucstart=20120823000000             yyyy mm dd HH MM SS
&uclimit=5                          number of contribs to show

Putting that all together gives this link. The second result has timestamp "2012-08-23T11:36:16Z" which means what you would expect: 2012-August-23 at time 11:36:16. I can't compete with other sections on this page, but you could consult Zulu time#Time zones for info regarding "Z". Johnuniq (talk) 01:54, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Jat people[edit]

Hello, Bishonen. A user is destroying the whole balance of the Jat people article by removing relevant well-sourced content & replacing it with some frivolous info. Can you do anything regarding it? - NitinMlk (talk) 05:59, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

What "balance"? Wikipedia allows editing to improve the pages. I am only editing it as per the citations provided, the above user just vandalized all my edits by reverting them, no explanation given. It was an act of vandalism on his part, I invite him on talk page. Barthateslisa (talk) 06:03, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
@Barthateslisa: The existing content that you removed with this edit just destroyed the whole subsection. I leave it up to the discretion of Bishonen. - NitinMlk (talk) 06:20, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
With this edit, I have removed POV by an author, to give the section a neutral tone, also I have added content relevant to the section, backed by citation. Barthateslisa (talk) 06:37, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

12 years.[edit]

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  • OMG, it is twelve years today, how awful! Well spotted, NQ. And I note Bishzilla has been here for 9 years, 8 months, and 14 days (she has one of those self-congratulatory boxes). That may well mean ten years, actually, because she edited as an IP for a few months and (crossing out! nonsense, Bishonen!) was a fêted IRC personality before she registered an account. Bishonen | talk 21:30, 9 July 2016 (UTC).
10 July

Took only 300 years to restore a good name. - + 12 years Bishonen! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:14, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

You're far too merciful...[edit]

2 weeks? The editor is WP:NOTHERE.

Sorry if I seem critical, but it doesn't seem like giving disruptive SPAs ROPE serves any worthwhile function. It's not like the user has some history of constructive contributions.

Hijiri 88 (やや) 23:23, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

If they sock, file an SPI. Simple. Softlavender (talk) 04:59, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Well, I agree they seem unpromising, Hijiri 88, but I scruple to go straight from a 48-hour block to indef. I've e-mailed you about your other comments. Bishonen | talk 18:14, 10 July 2016 (UTC).

TheLongTone, again...[edit]

He's just nominated Murder of Kylie Maybury for deletion. You know, that murder case that's been mentioned in books, had an extensive 30th anniversary article in the press and has had recurring publicity for the last 32 years. One of his acolytes, if not him himself, didn't take defeat in the Riley Ann Sawyers AfD too well and sent me a transphobic email (I'm a trans man). Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 06:06, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

I warned TheLongTone about their personal attacks ("sickos") in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Murder of Riley Ann Sawyers, I remember. Anyway, you don't have to put up with abusive e-mails. I suggest you report it to ArbCom at Bishonen | talk 11:10, 10 July 2016 (UTC).
this diff indicates he has a personal grudge against Murder of... articles. Speedy close of the Kylie Maybury AfD as it is clearly motivated by an emotional grudge and maliciousness? Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 12:43, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
Sorry i didnt realise i was shopping. I just feel action is urgent. Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 18:24, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
In that case, I even more strongly recommend you to take it to ANI. For my part, I don't find the diff you link to heinous.[20] But I do think you should act wrt the abusive email (which, if I understand you, was from another user?). Bishonen | talk 18:28, 10 July 2016 (UTC).
It may not be heinous but it indicates he has a grudge against murder victim and disappearance victim articles on the en-wikipedia. He's nominating articles in bad faith and because of an emotional grudge and obsession. He is harming the project. Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 18:32, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Mentioned on ANI[edit]

I mentioned you and a topic related to you in an ANI that can be found here. Thank you. EvergreenFir (talk) 00:07, 12 July 2016 (UTC)


The article is under DS extended confirmed but the talk page has now become a bit of a forum. It isn't affecting regular editing so I'm hesitant to place it under DS like Talk:Nair. Do you think a long term semi for the talk page might be helpful? —SpacemanSpiff 04:26, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) That's a good idea. At present, it looks like Sitush will be in an endless debate with moving IPs. Semi protection will at least constrain the sources of the debate. --regentspark (comment) 15:21, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
I ignore them for much of the time. I've just collapsed the latest bunch, which I first noticed some days ago. I thought the collapse rationale might be the best way to get the message across. - Sitush (talk) 15:29, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Collapsing seems a good idea. As long as no good users are inveigled into wasting a lot of time and patience engaging with these IPs (who would surely do better contributing to a caste forum, and find it less frustrating), semi for the talkpage seems a bit drastic IMO. And actually, so far recently it's one IP. Bishonen | talk 15:48, 13 July 2016 (UTC).
It's every edit from Aug 23, 2015 when Christich was topic banned. Some time wasting of reverts and discussion has happened but none of the non autoconfirmed edits are related to the article since then. They are all just forumy theorizing. But I get your point, that's the reason I didn't feel comfortable doing it without some sort of discussion. —SpacemanSpiff 15:53, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
I'm not aware of that topic ban. If you think the IP posts are related, I wouldn't mind having a look. Maybe you didn't spell the name right? Bishonen | talk 15:57, 13 July 2016 (UTC).
Wasn't Chrishitch topic banned for basically repeatedly pushing a pro-Brahmin stance, while the IPs are doing the opposite? I've lost track because I'm not good at spotting patterns. - Sitush (talk) 16:01, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, they are two different poles on this dispute, not related except for the disruption aspect. It was the same issue at Nair with two groups fighting it out, as is the case with many of these caste pieces. —SpacemanSpiff 16:07, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) There are some really useless posts at Talk:Bhumihar, but not yet a large number. Sitush collapsed one thread. The comments by that IP would be enough to block the editor for disruption or vandalism, if it were an account: "if you see a bhumihar and a cobra, you should kill the bhumihar first, because a bhumihar is more deadly". (In the US we might call those comments racist, depending on what group was attacked). So on grounds of nastiness I'd lean toward at least three months of semiprotection of the talk. EdJohnston (talk) 16:18, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Sorry to say I missed that choice remark. (That's the trouble with these TLDR caste warriors, at least for me — I skim.) It's a static IP, so as a first attempt to stem the flow, I've blocked it for a month. If those types of posts continue from other IPs, I certainly won't object to semi per Ed. Bishonen | talk 16:27, 13 July 2016 (UTC).
I was trying to collapse several consecutive sections in one hit. It seems that doesn't work. - Sitush (talk) 16:29, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
I think we'll be semi protecting it soon, this IP belongs to Level 3 Communications and I distinctly remember blocking an IP from their Broomfield, CO office for some other such stuff in the past and then it resumed via a Comcast cable internet connection. The posts by the IP are not very different from some stuff (probably deleted) at Talk:Ezhava and Talk:Thiyya when the Nair sock farms were active. Unfortunately, there's not enough time to police all this. —SpacemanSpiff 17:07, 13 July 2016 (UTC)


...for cleaning up on Jens Stoltenberg. What was shocking, was that the vandalism was there for hours ...and, over the years, I have noted other (equally infantile) vandalism also being there for ages. One problem is that there are only 84 editors "watching" that page, (while it gets on average 500 views a day) you know how we could get more people "watching" it? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:42, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Huldra. Theoretically, I suppose a request on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Norway would be the thing, but I can't say I have much faith in it. The project's talkpage doesn't seem very active (few of them are). Asking for watchers on ANI is probably better — those always seem to get a few responses from experienced editors, at least. Bishonen | talk 21:56, 17 July 2016 (UTC).
Ok, thanks, I´ll try Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Norway first, and see if that works. If not; then ANI next, Huldra (talk) 22:02, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Purple Prose barnstar?[edit]

Do we have a barnstar for Purple Prose? 1963 English Greyhound Derby and its related articles would deserve it! I am suspecting a copyvio but will await input from the main contributor. - Sitush (talk) 09:00, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Actually, just about every article they have written re: greyhound racing seems to be a copyvio of various pages on a website, eg: this is at Lifford Greyhound Stadium. There are a lot of them. I'm wondering whether they control that site. - Sitush (talk) 09:57, 19 July 2016 (UTC)


He's notable for being accused by far-left extremists of being a conspiracy theorist. The "well sourced" sources belong in that category. I see you've decided by consensus to be blatantly POV in this article. I don't have time for an edit war, so revert it back, but you folks are the reason Wikipedia gets a bad name when it comes to political topics.

I have already replied on your page. Please sign posts on talkpages with four tildes (~~~~), which will create a signature when you save. Bishonen | talk 11:08, 21 July 2016 (UTC).
As have I, in case you are not watching! -Roxy the dog™ woof 11:30, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Til Eulenspiegel pinging Jimbo to say I'm a notorious white supremacist[edit]

See [21] - note he edited his own talk page with that IP address. Isn't this pathetic. Ah, he's back now using edit summaries for the same attack.[22] Doug Weller talk 11:14, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Yeah. I blocked some of his ranges back in the day, but it does risk a certain amount of collateral damage. Ah, what the hell, I'll block and for a month. They're very nearly all Til, certainly recently, and pretty nasty.[23][24] Right? Let me know if you have some objection from a CU point of view. Bishonen | talk 11:34, 22 July 2016 (UTC).
@Doug Weller: could work a filter if the LTA is widespread enough? I'm not overly familiar with Til, but my test filter gets good matches against this wonderful phrase -- samtar talk or stalk 11:50, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
I'm not using CU here of course. There's a 3rd range now. User:Samtar, thanks. I'm not sure that specific abuse is widespread enough, he sometimes uses other terms. And only in response to me - at least I assume it is, maybe he's attacking me on articles I never visit! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doug Weller (talkcontribs)
(edit conflict) Okay, no worries :) I'll keep a half eye on it -- samtar talk or stalk 12:22, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
Not sure how much use this whack-a-range is, but it always makes Til furious, so it must be doing something. I've blocked as well. Bishonen | talk 12:20, 22 July 2016 (UTC).
Thanks. Dealing with a family problem right now (lost credit cards in Charles de Gaulle airport) and then off to pick up wife and daughter from airport this side of the channel! Much appreciated. Doug Weller talk 12:41, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
Sadly, this particular Til Eulenspiegel's pranks are not so merry. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 04:41, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
Hehe, it's the little Heim prankster! Hasn't completely forgotten his friends! bishzilla ROARR!! 09:15, 23 July 2016 (UTC).

This is ... interesting[edit]

Hey. Thought you might be interested in taking a look at Stefanomione's user page and its recent history, as you imposed their topic ban based on community consensus. It's not a violation of the topic ban as best I can tell, but neither is it the sign of an editor moving on and improving the encyclopedia in areas other than those they caused problems in. ~ Rob13Talk 08:58, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes, those edits keep turning up on my watchlist, so I've already thought about it. But it's his userpage. He's making a point, yes, but I can't see it doing any harm. We've topic banned him, it was necessary but was obviously a blow, and I'd rather not compound it by engaging him about this. We can't exactly force people to show signs of moving on. Bishonen | talk 09:09, 24 July 2016 (UTC).
Yeah, I know, I just thought you should be aware of it. Nothing that he's doing is actively harmful at the moment, but obsession usually doesn't end well. More often than not, this sort of behavior is followed with an editor disappearing, exploding, or slowly marching toward an indefinite block. ~ Rob13Talk 09:14, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Those are definitely possible scenarios but I don't see anything positive coming out of taking any action now. Doug Weller talk 09:39, 24 July 2016 (UTC)