User talk:Bluesatellite

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I Want You (Marvin Gaye song)[edit]

You seem to think that displaying an overseas image of Marvin Gaye in the cover of the vinyl single release helps more than this US side label. I added a caption in the article about this French image. If displaying an image of Gaye is the main reason, there is a free image of Marvin Gaye or lots of them. I can add it to the article if that's necessary. Can you let me switch the image or add the US one as an extra image. --George Ho (talk) 18:25, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

The uploader lets me replace the French front cover with the US side label. Do you agree with that? George Ho (talk) 07:02, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Blue did you see the above? —IB [ Poke ] 10:07, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm just to lazy explaining since your explanation on your talk page is clear enough. Edit warring on picture is not my thing actually, hahaha. But yeah, I don't see why a picture of a vinyl side is more helpful instead of a real artwork. In fact the paramater in the infobox is "Cover", not merely "Image". Bluesatellite (talk) 10:19, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Overseas artwork over the home country one? Never mind, I'll not succeed in convincing you to agree anyway. --George Ho (talk) 18:50, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Like a Prayer[edit]

Blue are you still up for working on the article? —IB [ Poke ] 10:32, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Still trying. You better help me with your magic writing :D Bluesatellite (talk) 01:06, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Well in what ways you need help? Let me know. —IB [ Poke ] 09:41, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
Probably you did not see this message. —IB [ Poke ] 10:00, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
@IndianBio: Haha, lemme do the work as far as I can, then I will contact you later for help ;) By the way, I see one of your favorite song is "Vogue". Don't you have interest to upgrade the article for now? I saw 11JORN starting the work somewhere, but he seems no longer very active. Bluesatellite (talk) 10:09, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
Yes it is indeed one of my very favorite songs which made me a fan of Madonna. I was amazed by the video. Before that I only knew her as the singer with the strange witchy video ("Frozen") lol. I am currently trying to wrap up the Bedtime Stories era. Then as you say, we can work on the Like a Prayer album (which I have recently really come to like) and then maybe "Vogue"? —IB [ Poke ] 10:25, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

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This though...[edit]

sigh. —IB [ Poke ] 16:31, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

IndianBio, buddy, you have done WP:3RR. You'll get blocked, you know, and the page will be locked for a month, hahaha. Bluesatellite (talk) 22:32, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Please stop[edit]

Please stop the disruption at the Madonna talk page. Are you unfamiliar with how RfCs are set up and how they work? WP:NOTAVOTE does not apply in this situation. You've been here long enough, so it's unbelievably frustrating and puzzling to me how you can continue to believe the RfC configuration and setup I keep trying to maintain is trumped by NOTAVOTE policy. I repeat: setting up an RfC in the manner I did is not against policy and you need to stop disruptively changing it based on policy that does not apply to an RfC. I am changing it back once again. Reverting it back to the way you want it will earn you a trip to an administrator's talk page or a noticeboard of some kind. -- WV 20:35, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

@Winkelvi: I'm not afraid at all, lol. So explain it to me about this discussion is not voting thing. Bluesatellite (talk) 20:39, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Look at the policies you keep referencing, that should explain it to you. Also take a look at current examples of running RfCs to see that what has been set up at the Madonna talk page is very similar and perfectly acceptable: [1], [2], [3], [4]. -- WV 20:52, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Album-equivalent unit[edit]

I have paraphrased your addition to the above article, as it appears to have been directly copied from the copyright web pages and All content you add to Wikipedia must be written in your own words. Please let me know if you have any questions or if you think I may have made a mistake. — Diannaa (talk) 13:06, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Diannaa :) Bluesatellite (talk) 15:51, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Certification Table Entry template[edit]

Hi there - for the benefit of a simple person like me who doesn't understand Wikipedia code very well, can you please explain to me what the change you made to the Certification Table Entry template does? Thanks. Richard3120 (talk) 12:42, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Sorry Richard3120, I forgot to write the edit summary. I restored the code of {{Certification Table Entry/Foot}}, which was removed in the previous edit by Jonesey95. That's why symbols (^, ‡) didn't appear in the table for a while. Bluesatellite (talk) 16:17, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
Ah right, thanks – I'd noticed they'd disappeared, but I thought it was because a decision had been taken to remove the distinction between shipments/sales/streaming. I'm trying to get the template updated, because since it was written a number of problems have arisen, like the Argentina, Ireland and Netherlands record industries removing certifications from their website, so the template for those regions now just goes to a dead link if you use it – I've suggesting keeping the code for those countries but commenting it out for the time being, to stop other editors using it in good faith. I'm also not sure how to tackle RIAA certifications now that they give separate certifications for old-style "sales" and now for streaming as well: songs like Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" and Whitney Houston's "I Will Always Love You" have multi-platinum awards for both types of certification, but of course the current template only allows for one US RIAA certification. It really needs something along the lines of separate "USsales" and "USstreaming" region parameters, but I don't know how to change it without affecting all the existing articles that use the standard "United States" region parameter.
I note you are from Indonesia – would it be possible to help with another query I and some other editors have? We've noticed people adding chart positions from the Music Weekly Top 30 Asia website, but we don't know if these are official country charts or radio station charts, or how they are compiled – digital sales? downloads? streaming? Are you in any position to be able to clarify matters? Richard3120 (talk) 22:39, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
Richard3120, I tried to find why the footnotes dissappeared, and I couldn't find the consensus to remove them. So I found that a user remove some code on the template. The footnotes are really needed because the "certified figures" often mislead people to think they are "sales". Yeah I agree with you that the template really needs to be updated. We should work together to improve it, though I don't understand that much of code, lol. Bluesatellite (talk) 23:18, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

As for the RIAA, we don't need to separate the template. A simple note works well here.

Region Certification Certified units/Sales
United States (RIAA)[1]
Physical single
4× Platinum 4,000,000^
United States (RIAA)[1]
Digital single
2× Platinum 2,000,000double-dagger

^shipments figures based on certification alone
double-daggersales+streaming figures based on certification alone

  1. ^ a b "American single certifications – Whitney Houston – I Will Always Love You". Recording Industry Association of America.  If necessary, click Advanced, then click Format, then select Single, then click SEARCH

Bluesatellite (talk) 23:18, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

As for Music Weekly Asia, I personally think they are good enough as a source. You can read their press release here. For validity example, I remember that Anggun perfomed at Asia's Got Talent finale and her song climbed on iTunes afterward. And then, the next week her song re-entered the Music Weekly Asia's chart, so it proves that they really reported the digital sales here. However, the main problem is that they don't archive the chart, so we need to archive the charts manually, week by week. Besides, we need to prove their notability first, by creating Music Weekly Asia article. Bluesatellite (talk) 23:35, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
(1) RIAA certifications: yes, you're right, although one modification would be useful: it's obvious that every RIAA certification from May 2013 onwards and into the future will be a digital one that includes streaming, so it would be helpful to make the parameter "streaming=yes" automatic from this date, because I can imagine that newer editors will forget to set this parameter and so the certification will show up as a standard one in the table... the code needs to be the equivalent of "if relmonth/relyear > May 2013 then streaming=yes". And the same for other countries like the UK and New Zealand who now include streaming as part of the "sales" and hence certification level, but just changing the date to whenever it was that the country began to include streaming (June 2014 for the UK and June 2016 for New Zealand, I think).
(2) Music Weekly Asia charts: I agree, the charts do look official to me as well, and I don't see any problem in including them – it was just that most of the editors here are American or British and far away from the regions in question, so I wanted to see if somebody "closer to home" knew more than we did. Richard3120 (talk) 15:57, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
Richard3120 Fully agree with you on RIAA certifications. From now on streaming is a vital component of certifications, and a lot of other countries will follow the methodology of the current US/UK certifications. I also think that "unspecified figures" footnote is not really that necessary though. Bluesatellite (talk) 03:26, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

File:Madonna Holiday first UK vinyl cover art Golden Arrow montage.jpg[edit]

Now that the US side label is "kept" at Commons, shall I remove the UK "train" cover from the article instead? What about you, IndianBio? --George Ho (talk) 03:05, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

No, it passes perfect third party notability and there by WP:NFCC#8 since it is being discussed in the article why the alternate cover was used. —IB [ Poke ] 08:22, 20 July 2016 (UTC)


What is your deal? For YEARS Waiting to Exhale soundtrack has been under Whitney's discography. Why are you changing it? JustDevinn (talk) 23:42, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

@JustDevinn: Can't you read the hidden message on the article? Blind? Whitney only sang 3 out of 16 tracks on the album (only 18% of the entire album). It is HARDLY her album. So, stop changing it. Bluesatellite (talk) 20:16, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) JustDevinn, Bluesatellite is correct – the album is not considered a Whitney Houston album. Billboard listed it as a soundtrack by various artists, and in the UK the album charted in the compilation albums chart, indicating that it was not considered a single artist's album. Have a look at the link in the article itself to the source for the Canadian chart position as well: it links to a chart in Billboard magazine which credits to "various artists". Richard3120 (talk) 20:24, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

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