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History of Ohio[edit]

I have reverted your edits due to them not being properly referenced. Please refer to Wikipedia:Citing sources and Wikipedia:No original research. Thanks. Jb45424 (talk) 23:16, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

I have again reverted your edits due to them not being properly referenced. Articles within Wikipedia are not to be cited as sources for other articles. Please refer to Wikipedia:Circular. I would suggest you start with smaller edits and learn how they are properly referenced within Wikipedia, as opposed to dumping large amounts of text only to have it reverted. Please review the links I have provided above as well as the sources for obtaining help. Jb45424 (talk) 19:51, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

List of American Indian Nations[edit]

Hi there. I caught your list in the New Pages queue this morning. I was sort of surprised to learn such a listing was not already on Wikipedia, but that does seem to be the case. Thanks for your efforts and do keep working on this — it is a huge topic but a very important list if you can power through and get it done. I have taken the liberty of changing the name to List of Native American peoples in the United States which is in closer conformity to our naming conventions (a: calling List articles "List of" and b: calling the various Native American tribal groupings "peoples" rather than "nations.") I wish you the best with this project, I reiterate that it's a potentially EXTREMELY valuable page for Wikipedia. best regards, —tim /// Carrite (talk) 14:35, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

I know it is a lot of work, but if you could make the links to each tribal entity happen during the first appearance of the term (i.e. in the Alphabetical section rather than in Part 2, it would be much more useful as a navigational device. I think this is probably standard house style for links as well... Carrite (talk) 14:44, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
I'd also suggest, given the massive size that this article will be if you make it to the end of the road, that you don't worry about the second section classifying tribes and just build an alphabetical listing. See the listing of Alaskan tribes in the See Also section to get an idea of how big this list is going to be at completion. I'd encourage you to delete the entire second part and to put up as many Wikipedia links as you can in the alphabetical section. I will try to add the tribes of Oregon when I get a chance, there are probably 30 or so... Carrite (talk) 14:54, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

A first barnstar![edit]

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For your work in starting List of Native American peoples in the United States, which promises to be an extremely valuable addition to Wikipedia. Thank you for your work! Carrite (talk) 14:58, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Well, damn it, I'm sorry...[edit]

I was starting to put up a set of redirects to your article and found an already-existing listing: Classification of indigenous peoples of the Americas. Your new start is what we call a "fork" of this and the second section needs to go away for sure. The alphabetical listing remains valuable and you should continue to work on that if you are able. Be sure to use the existing WP article as source material for the alphabetical listing since it has a ton of links to standing WP articles. Drop me a line if you have any questions, either on my talk page or by email at —tim /// Carrite (talk) 15:05, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Ok, sorry I haven't been on in a while & thank you all for the input. I had checked for such a page beforehand and was having difficulty finding one. The main issue I wanted to do something like this was because a large amount of the native american pages are a bit confusing and difficult to follow. I will definitely try to keep my work going here. Mostly, I've just been editing state information involving native peoples and trying to get it all updated to the best of my ability. Thank you again. Bobbotronica (talk) 17:18, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Reliable sources needed[edit]

Information icon Hello, I'm I noticed that you made a change to an article, Mascouten, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. (talk) 18:23, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Reliable sources needed[edit]

Information icon Please do not add or change content, as you did at Mascouten, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. is not a reliable source because it's self-published. Book advertisements are also not reliable sources. (talk) 14:19, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Ok, then. I'll leave it alone. Bobbotronica (talk) 14:23, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

I feel like I ought to point out, though, that even if the information is incorrect, there's not currently a whole lot of well known information about this area from the 16th century & putting it out in the open may make it easier to tell what is or isn't correct. From the title, the guy apparently got it from other Archaeologists (it definitely reads like he did) & it made a lot of things that weren't making a whole lot of sense to me in the accepted-known history click, (Not necessarily concerning the Mascouten, but the Beaver Wars in general. Ironically, it also played into other information from the West Virginia pages, where actual archaeologists & historians have been compiling a ridiculous amount of information.) so I would be inclined to believe the article. As to the Illinois Confederacy remark, that actually came from their Wiki page, but nothing on there is cited. I had to try to wing it. Personally, there's still something bugging me on exactly how they play into the history of the era, but it's not something I'm particularly focusing on right now. I'm not going to tell you what to do with your article, especially if you think it's going to cause problems, but I wrote down what I trust is correct. Sorry to bother you. Bobbotronica (talk) 14:57, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of List of native american peoples of Canada & Greenland[edit]

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The article List of native american peoples of Canada & Greenland has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

This article doesn't seem like much of an article -- a bit discombobulated, a bit all over the place, and in desperate need of reformatting. If not deleted, then at least moved to drafts.

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I can appreciate that, but it's definitely not done yet. It took me weeks to do that other one, so I hope people will bear in mind with me in the meantime. Bobbotronica (talk) 14:18, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

September 2017[edit]

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Thank you for your recent contributions, such as List of native american peoples of Canada & Greenland. Getting started creating new articles on Wikipedia can be tricky, and you might like to try creating a draft version first, which you can then ask for feedback on if necessary, with less risk of deletion. Do make sure you also read help available to you, including Your First Article and the Tutorial. You might also like to try the Article Wizard, which has an option to create a draft version. Hi! Also try to not copy/paste information from your previous article, List of American Indian Nations. Thanks!

ɯɐɔ 💬 19:56, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

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See Also: List of Native American peoples in the United States[edit]

You have put See Also: List of Native American peoples in the United States on most, if not every, article about a U.S. state, but that is not a suitable "see also" topic because it is far too general. "See also" lists should point readers to wikipedia articles that are specific expansions on the topic at hand - otherwise you could have 10,000 "see also"s on virtually every article. That's why I and others have removed them. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 22:32, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

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Questionable material you added to History of Florida[edit]

Last September you added over 6,000 bytes to History of Florida in one edit. I find that material to be highly questionable, and improperly sourced. Where did you get it from? Please provide full citations for Marquardt 2004 and McMahon and Marquardt. I have a copy of John Hann's Indians of Central and South Florida: 1513-1763, which I presume is what is cited as Hann 2003 in the material you added, and I can assure you it does not support that material. - Donald Albury 23:48, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

I invite you to discuss this at Talk:History of Florida#Questionable material in Native Americans section. - Donald Albury 16:32, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Do you understand that sources must directly support the text?[edit]

We can't interpret, we can't build an argument using several sources not all of which are directly discussing the topic. Please see WP:NOR. Doug Weller talk 14:06, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Major difference between your edit and your source[edit]

Yesterday you made an edit[1] stating that "The United States, misinterpreting the situation, illegally crossed the border and declared war on the Seminole for "stealing American property" in the First Seminole War (1816-1819)." The source says "In the early 1800s, the Seminole were friends of other runaways—escaped African-American slaves. They hid the slaves and welcomed them into their families. General Andrew Jackson used the runaway slaves as an excuse to lead an army out of Georgia against the Seminole, starting the First Seminole War of 1817-18."

That's very different, and in any case anything we say about the First Seminole War needs to match text in that article, we shouldn't have different reasons for the war in different articles. Doug Weller talk 14:13, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

My Previous Edits & Resources (as of July 1, 2018)[edit]

In lieu of the issues with my Florida edits, I am going to go ahead and, to the best of my recollection, detail any significant edits I have made, answer questions & give the resources used.

Edits to Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont:

  • Abenaki Wiki page(s) (Info on Tribes' locations, King Phillip's War)
  • The Wind Eagle & Other Abenaki Stories (Notes as to fates of Abenakian peoples after King Phillip's War in forward of book)

Edits to Pennsylvania:

  • Iroquois Book of Rites (Notes on Alligewi, spread of Iroquoian peoples)
  • Glory, Death & Transfiguration: The Susquehannock Indians in the 17th Century (Susquehannock history)
  • Tutelo Tribe & Language (Notes on fates of Tutelo & extra Iroquois tribes. For most part, lifted book's references instead of referencing book itself.)
  • Circular Villages of the Monongahela Tradition (Archaological data on Monongahela Culture)
  • Louisiana Map- 1688- Jean Louis Baptiste Franquelin (Courtesy of Library of Congress website) (Note of possible extended territory of Petun when cross referenced with "Early Map of Nouvelle France.)
  • Protohistory of West Virginia Wiki
  • Walking Purchase Wiki
  • Lenape Wiki

Edits to Ohio:

  • Iroquois Book of Rites (Notes on Alligewi, arrival of Erie)
  • Glory, Death & Transfiguration: The Susquehannocks Indians in the 17th Century (notes pertaining to Susquehannock roles in Beaver Wars)
  • Louisiana Map- 1688- Jean Louis Baptiste Franquelin (Courtesy Library of Congress website) (possible lengthened territory of Petun, Mosopelea in Ohio)
  • The Early Map of Nouvelle France: A Linguistic Analysis (analysis of 1641 Great Lakes region map from early stages of Beaver Wars)
  • Encyclopedia of Native American Tribes: Third Edition (Little Turtle's War, Seneca involvement in American Revolution & aftermath)
  • A Dictionary of Biloxi & Ofo (recorded history of Mosopelea)
  • Treaty of Wapakoneta (found on accident after researching into name of town-- Wapakoneta, OH. Shows Shawnee in Ohio after Shawnee War)
  • Jesuit Relations English translation (Early Beaver War info, from Huron defeat to war on Erie)
  • The Erie Indians (Note of Erie harboring fugitives, Eries in region after expelling. Poor resource. Would have used references given that author saw & read, but did not annotate, so couldn't determine which references were which.)
  • A History of the Caddo Indians (Info on Indian Removal)
  • An Anthropological Report on the Indians of the Kankakee River (Non-biased, gathered info on Miami/ Wea peoples)
  • Indian Myths (Info on Ohio Wyandot history & culture)
  • Lenape-English Dictionary (some Lenape translations)
  • English-Seneca Dictionary (some Seneca translations)
  • Beaver Wars Wiki
  • Northwest Indian War Wiki
  • Lenape Wiki
  • Mingo Wiki
  • Westo Wiki
  • History of Indiana Wiki
  • Walking Purchase Wiki
  • Indian Removal Act Wiki
  • Protohistory of West Virginia Wiki
  • Wikis for many local towns/ landmarks whose names are cited
  • Archaeology in the Old Catawba Nation (Catawbas in Ohio)

Edits to Fort Ancient:

  • Investigating the Orchard Site: A Protohistoric Fort Ancient Site in West Virginia (Fort Ancient Archaological data, Carbon dating, Cultural evolution)
  • D(L)akota Star Map & Constellation Guide: An Introduction to D(L)akota Star Knowledge (Serpent Burial Mound)
  • Lakota Myth (relevant Siouan religious beliefs)
  • Lakota Society (relevent Siouan religious beliefs)
  • Catawba Texts (relevent Siouan religious beliefs)
  • Encyclopedia of Native American Tribes (note on Chickasaw slave raids)
  • A Dictionary of Biloxi & Ofo (note on Chickasaw/ Mosopelea conflicts)

Edits to Virginia:

  • Tutelo Tribe & Language (History of Saponi/ Tutelo peoples. For most part, lifted book's references instead of referencing book itself.)
  • Glory, Death & Transfiguration: The Susquehannock Indians in the 17th Century (history of Susquehannocks & conquering by Iroquois)
  • Saponi History (Older Saponi history)
  • Lenape-English Dictionary (possible translation of Monaghan through Monaquen)
  • Tribes' Wikis

Edits to N/ S Carolina:

  • Tutelo Tribe & Language (History of Virginia tribes in N Carolina)
  • Tribes of the Carolina Lowland (Compiled history of all Carolina Siouan tribes)
  • Catawba Texts (forward talks of Catawba/ Cherokee merger, some other small notes)
  • United States Map, 1794- Laurie & Whittle (shows Catawbas location in late 1700s)
  • Machapunga Wiki
  • Chisca Wiki
  • Kispoko Wiki
  • Coosa Chiefdom Wiki
  • Westo Wiki
  • Chowanoke/ Croatan Wikis
  • Indian Removal Act Wiki
  • PBS Secrets of the Dead: Spanish Florida (Yamasee fates)

Edits to Florida:

  • A Dictionary of Biloxi & Ofo (Notes on Pascagoula)
  • Encyclopedia of Native American Tribes (Notes on Muspa Seminole)
  • PBS Secrets of the Dead: Spanish Florida (Encomienda, Timucuas fate, Yamasee fates)
  • Calusa Wiki
  • Timucuas Wiki
  • Muscogee Wiki
  • Seminole/ Seminole Wars Wikis
  • Indian Removal Act Wiki

Edits to Illinois:

  • An Anthropological Report on the Indians of the Kankakee River (gathered data on local tribes movements)
  • Beaver Wars Wiki
  • History of Wisconsin Wiki
  • Chisca Wiki
  • Kispoko Wiki
  • Mascouten Wiki
  • Illinois Confederation Wiki

Edits to North Dakota:

  • Lakota Society (tribal organization of Lakota people)
  • Tutelo Tribe & Language (note on Mdewakan based on uses of Lakota to compare to Tutelo)
  • Tribes' Wikis

Edits to Texas:

  • A History of the Caddo Indians (Caddoan history & early Indian Removals)

With the 3 above questions, I already answered Donald Albury on the History of Florida talk page. To Doug Weller: It took me a while to get exactly what you were having issue with, but I got it now. I come from a background, moreso, of creative writing, not researching or informative works. When I used the phrase "stealing American property," I was not straight-quoting anyone or thing. I was being mildly sarcastic and trying to get the reader into the mindset of the attacking American soldiers. I apologize. It really didn't occur to me that there would be that kind of problem from a potential reader. Anyway, it has been taken down and I'm sure you probably figured as much out by now, regardless.

Now, I will go ahead & stop editing for a time. Other than references I lifted from other pages (I admit, I did do that a lot, at first.) the vast majority of all the above resources are actually public documents which I was able to find and download through google searches-- with the exception of Wind Eagle, Lakota Myth & Dakota Star Map, those three being physical books I own, and Lakota Society, which I borrowed from a Library. So, If you want them in order to double check, they are there. But, I will note that, for whatever reason, the Forward for the digital copy of Catawba Texts comes separately from the rest of the book. This does not, however, mean that all information I have added is factual. I will admit that I could have made further mistakes. If anyone has any further questions, go ahead & ask, but it may take a few days for me to respond. Bobbotronica (talk) 15:06, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Ohio etymology[edit]

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